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Ogilvy engages in tone deaf social media marketing for the AmEx Zync card - http://roj.as/entries...
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I saw it - how very dull...who was the 'genius' who came up with that one?
- Simon Rogers
It's catering to a segment beneath Peter, marketing-wise. If he was more desperate for network contacts he'd do it... which he isn't. Some people are. It's a sign of the times. Companies doing whatever they can for no money.
- Dave Friedel
My 15-year-old son Patrick, on why teens don't use Twitter: "They don't see the point."
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Most teens just want to talk with their friends, not write to the world, he says.
- Robert Scoble
that's it- the understanding of publics.
- Kevin Marks
Plus they have video games for entertainment and have lots of time. I don't have time, so Twitter is a form of entertainment that I can get in bite sized chunks.
- Robert Scoble
That's it in one sentence: "Most teens just want to talk with their friends, not write to the world, he says" now maybe the world can start spinning again.
- Hoop
It's really interesting how I've noticed that most of my peers (20-somethings) are too hooked on Facebook to use Twitter or FriendFeed. Again, they don't see the point; Facebook has built-in Twitter that shares with the people they already know and care about.
- Jason Preston
my 13 yr old daughter says the same
- Miguel Rodriguez
too easy to get in trouble for what you say - on most networks you have to accept the invite of those who want to connect - not so on twitter
- Julie Gallaher
That's the same response I get from nieces and nephews.
- Joseph Ferris
Same thing I hear from a ton of people, regardless of age. For most people, they first need a "point" to use it or else they either don't sign up or don't return.
- Jeff Peters
Because their parents are there
- Bwana ☠
danah talked about how some teens are using private twitter accounts, as Facebook is now too public, as their parents and teachers are there http://bit.ly/Awmw9 Multiple publics http://bit.ly/publics
- Kevin Marks
My 14-year-old daughter doesn't want to share her life with the world on Twitter...and I'm good with that!
- Kirsti Scott
They care, like us about reputation, but within their 'groups' - not publicly....
- Mrinal Desai
I'll have to explain it to her in detail before she gets it, prefers Facebook since ALL of her friends are there
- Miguel Rodriguez
Kids today don't understand nor care about the social dynamics that they will be involved in. Without a solid background now they can never hope to make truly justified choices later on. It scares me because I have to deal with them directly.
- Adam
Good plan, Zachary!
- Kirsti Scott
I'm not much older than your son, but I have a twitter. Noticeably many of my friends detest twitter and compare it to facebook status messages, therefore they are unable to understand what makes Twitter great. Facebook has managed to grab the minds of us teenagers. I must admit I am much more inclined to update my facebook statuses as my friends will comment on it.
- Rahul Krishnakumar
the reason Twitter does well with teens is because they don’t care about networking – the act of creating/extending a network – as much as they do in their existing network itself. http://www.kanjhan.com/2009...
- Bhavishya Kanjhan
Don't worry Zachary - you don't exist in this thread
- Bwana ☠
It seems that every ones use of these tools is a bit different. I use twitter/friendfeed to keep in touch with fellow surfers and fellow web developers I know both here and across the world. Twitter/friendfeed have be come my best tools for this.
- Luke Kilpatrick
My son, while I type into FriendFeed, is playing Halo. The original one.
- Robert Scoble
Yet when I talk about the importance of tying Twitter to gaming, I get ignored
- Bwana ☠
Zach - no clue man, you're the exception the point in this thread :)
- Bwana ☠
Also teenagers are less likely to stick with Twitter long enough to make it useful to them, Facebook has a sort of instant gratification with adding your friends and commenting them etc.
- Chris Lawrence
I am @ricklafave on twitter, but I see the gap being that teens are all about text direct conversations. I see a huge gap in communication between the generations.
- Rick LaFave
Success!
- Bwana ☠
I'm with Zachary, Adam... that was a bit of a blanket statement.
- Bettina Tizzy
Of course there are exceptions, I'm 19 and I'm on Friendfeed and Twitter, but we're talking about the majority of teenagers, Kirk and Zachary.
- Chris Lawrence
Have to agree here... my kid (13) and step brother (14) are total facebook kids... they occasionally hop on MySpace as well. Both try to get into Twitter, but really do not see the point.
- Darin aka iGoByDoc
By the time today's teens are into things they'll look upon Twitter like we now look at IRC. I'm wondering if I even still have an IRC client on my machine....
- Andrew Leyden
because it takes too long and is too involved...
- Morgan
Adults are very lazy...140 characters is tough to power through, but doable. The only people lazier than adults? Teenagers. Why bother with Twitter when their lives revolve around Facebook and it meets all their needs?
- Todd Pringle
That's really cool, I know about three of my friends on Twitter and they never use it haha. And if they do they use it as they would Facebook status.
- Chris Lawrence
Texting has always been really big in Australia, Zachary. It's a habit that's hard to get out of.
- Chris Lawrence
Zach: speaking in generalities of course. Clearly you are an exception. All up on Friendfeed and whatnot.
- Todd Pringle
I will be happy when everyone has the internet in their pocket and I can just email people instead of spending 25c everytime I want to use 140 characters :(
- Chris Lawrence
goes back to "announce" vs. "discuss", too. Fb has nice "my friends and family" feel that Twitter and FF don't yet have.
- MikeAmundsen
Depends on geographic area. Here it was the Myspace revolution, then slowly became Facebook. The early adopters of Facebook jumped on the Twitter ship and now the middle stage of Facebook adopters are jumping to Twitter. Does Facebook rule supreme among my group? Yes, with myspace a close second, and twitter slowly catching up. PS, i'm 16.
- Sean Quinn
It's 25c per SMS in Australia.
- Chris Lawrence
I also don't think most teenagers grasp the difference between Twitter and Facebook. My friends who are content with Facebook don't see any need for Twitter and are actually puzzled by it's intended use. Over and over again I here, "Well Facebook can do that, can't it?"
- Angus Burton
Yeah phone plans in Australia are really ridiculous. There are hardly any unlimited SMS plans and the ones that are you are usually paying over $80 a month. But I digress!
- Chris Lawrence
My 16-year-old daughter said the same thing a few months back. But she finally relented and is on Twitter now. A few weeks ago she said "I've never been more informed in my life" since joining.
- Patrick Giblin
Seeing the longtail of Twitter takes a somewhat more mature mindset. That's why some mature teens can 'get' Twitter and why some childish adults don't (and content with Facebook).
- CannonGod
I think the topic teens liking or not liking twitter topic is entertaining at best. Does anyone have any decent statistics on this? Not to mention the term "teen" is pretty loose 13 and 18 are a world apart. I would think a teen using or not using would be more based on their personal interest. My 20 and 30 year old friends that aren't in the tech industry could care less about it.
- Nicholas Fidanza
Admittedly younger generations want to talk with less ppl but more frequently, and adults want to create more connections for friendship or financial gain. Kids don't need to worry about being loved, they have mum & dad at the end of the day :-P Sad single geeks however...
- CannonGod
@Angus that was a comment concern among my friends. Where twitter began to rule was among mobile updating. Although teens can use and do use Facebook Mobile, a two-way conversation can work well among a group of friends via Twitter on mobile phones much rather than Facebook status updates/conversations on Facebook, in my experience.
- Sean Quinn
I'm 16 and me and my close group of friends use twitter-its possible to have "chat room" like conversations about things (where are we gonna go after school, etc.) if we're all hooked up on it-it works great, but admittedly some kids use twitter more than others (like me)
- Oliver Reich
I just see Twitter as Social SMS. Teens like texting, so really it's just an extension of that. I can therefore see it being used more as a tool rather than an actual network per-say.
- CannonGod
While it’s possible to make Twitter “private,” the culture of Twitter is all about participation in a large public square. From the digerati seeking widespread attention to the politically minded hoping to appear on CNN, many are leveraging Twitter to be part of a broad dialogue. Teens are much more motivated to talk only with their friends and they learned a harsh lesson with social...
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- Johni Fisher
my oldest is 20 and uses Twitter and friendfeed a lot but he's a techie- my youngest is 17, uses mostly facebook and sms with friends - doesn't grok twitter yet he's very social...
- mike "glemak" dunn
from iPhone
got kids 24, 22, & 18. 24 is the only Tweeter. all use Fb. none use FF.
- MikeAmundsen
There's a great article up on the London Guardian about this - http://www.guardian.co.uk/busines...
- Steffan Antonas
The article discusses that Teens like building out profiles, and taking to people they know. Twitter's not really for that - it's used more for information sharing IMO.
- Steffan Antonas
It's a crime to suggest that Twitter as a whole is just a single feature of FB and has been that way since the beginning. I never understood when Twittr was demo'd to me how a single feature of a bigger app (in my case, IM status/mood messages) needed to be an app on its own. However, what the early adopter mass wants, the early adopter mass gets (until the mainstream mass shows up and it's zomg culture/class war... I LOVE watching this.)
- Eric Rice
Sean: That's a good point. Strangely, using Twitter as a conversation base didn't occur to me. I actually thought more about using a FriendFeed room for that.
- Angus Burton
I agree with Patrick and I'm well past my teens! FF adds talking with my friends, so it works.
- Rachel Lea Fox
It is simple: kids don't use Twitter because they dont have an iPhone! Most teenagers don't have a decent internet enabled device that allows them to use Twitter nicely. Most parents can't afford (or want) to pay $150+ phone bills for their kids plus buy them an iPhone. I have many young friends and they all love the "Big Brother" spirit of Twitter. I totally dont believe the "I'm a...
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- Arturo Toledo
No dis... I have a 19 y/o daughter...Maybe it because he sees you using it and thinks its an "old people" thing... ?
- Ron Thompson
Geoff: same thing, but then he might be biased cause I hang here all day and it's simply not cool to hang out with your parents when you're 15.
- Robert Scoble
It's a lot easier to have friends in school. On the outside you have to be a bit more proactive.
- Todd Hoff
I only use Twitter to broadcast what I am doing on Posterous, and FriendFeed.
- Matt Ruiz
I'm an older (some say very old) user and friends my age don't do Twitter, FB etc. Their opinion: why bother when I have email? Why would I want to share with the Internet at large? The web is full of idiots.
- Robert Hafer
from iPhone
Geoff: I read FriendFeed I just don't post very much. I enjoy reading Twitter and FF they can cetainly be informative and interesting. None of my friends are on Twitter so I was speaking from my experience with them, not all teens.
- Patrick Scoble
Todd: That is also absolutely true with students.
- Patrick Scoble
It is true but a lot of adults don't see the point of it either at the moment and I think it'll change.I'm 19 and I think it's more useful than Facebook etc.
- Craig Malone
Teens spend 6 or 8 hours a day within a few hundred feet of most of the people they know. Why would they need Twitter?
- Rob Sterling
Yeah, but information on Facebook is shared the same way as in school - it's hierarchical and clique-based. Kids are more like base primates than adults. Twitter is too open, when they want to control the dissemination of information among those people they know in school.
- Rob Sterling
There are a lot of 13-15 year-olds on Twitter, just look around :) The best way to find them is to find a celebrity who might garner a teen following ... That said, Twitter is (for now) nowhere near as popular with teens as MySpace and Facebook, for sure.
- dcap
Also, most kids can't afford smartphones, and using Twitter exclusively by text message is mostly a one-way affair. It's pretty lame. I bet your 15 y.o. son loves to text and spends hours on Facebook.
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
I think teens may be more privacy savvy than the media paints them. They know that a nasty Tweet about a school official can get them expelled; but a private txt is safe.
- Robert Hafer
How many teens are marketing gurus and life coaches? Kids aren't selling anything and see no need to sell themselves. THAT'S why they don't care about Twitter.
- Kimber Scott
Robert: it is worse than that. One message can get them shunned.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Just like my older friends, they have no desire to connect with the Twitter-verse at large. But for different reasons.
- Robert Hafer
I've been looking for the point for a long time :O) - To me it has become a place where I can "vocalize" things I've always just said to myself before. I just find it funny anyone actually "listens"
- Bill Rawlinson
Sounds familiar: http://blog.monicaobrien.com/why-hig...
- Monica O'Brien
There are many uses of twitter :)
- Key KnowHow
I think its good that teens don't like twitter. We can get on here without them!
- Su Butcher
As a teenager I didn't see the point of reading a newspaper either, but now I work in one!
- | Balu |
Interns in my office say they know college friends starting to use Twitter. Of course, none of the interns actually do. Twitter seems to be good for celebrities and professional networking.
- Hutch Carpenter
So that means he will like Google Wave? = the next Teen Twitter
- Hans Kainz
We can't say that Google Wave is the next Twitter, it's more instant messaging than anything (and I'd say FriendFeed relates more to it than Twitter does).
- Hugh Isaacs II
I do deeply hope that Google Wave takes off. I really hate signing into my msn account just to keep in touch with friends who can't get on the GTalk bandwagon or just don't see the point.
- Chris Chua
I think if you could start a conversation like this one on twitter just like on ff or fb with commenting tweets or just parsing them when you reply, it would be a lot more interesting
- Kaysha
Interesting that the 15 year old kid who got the job at Morgan Stanley did so because his mum knew a chap who she met when dog walking - so not what he knew but who his mum knew, and because of that he had an audience for his opinion.
- Simon Rogers
another possibility ADD
- polou/indigo_bow
Wrote a post about this a long time ago. Interaction will scale down as the possibilities to interact scale up. The next gen doesn't care about talking to the whole world. There is little value in it
- Alexander van Elsas
from iPhone
Just blogged on this subject. I don't believe this is a generational issue. It's about privacy and signal:noise ratio. When those degrade, communities migrate to new social networking services, regardless of group members' average age. http://lehawes.wordpress.com/2009...
- Larry Hawes
the wisdom of youth!
- Neil Ashworth
My mind map for today's talk to CIOs. What else should I add? Keep in mind got 30 minutes. Dicuss here please:
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In the room are CIOs from Home Depot, Pepsi, Johnson and Johnson, Prudential, Bechtel, etc.
- Robert Scoble
Also see here: http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... for a discussion that we did earlier about what I should tell CIOs.
- Robert Scoble
Theme of my talk is "the 2010 Web."
- Robert Scoble
I don't see XMIND :)
- Tim McDougall
Because of time constraints I'm trying to NOT be comprehensive, but just give a taste of the best of the tech industry innovation lately and what it could mean to their businesses.
- Robert Scoble
ask them how they are measuring all this stuff.
- Brian Watkins
Brian: will do, but in many ways we are too early for measuring. I bet they haven't even heard of a lot of this stuff.
- Robert Scoble
Nice, you popped in Atlassian and Socialtext, good call. Mint though? Bit early isn't it? >> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps...
- Nick Wade
I mean, how many CIOs do you see here on friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
Are ou going to mention backtype or ubervu in the community section?
- dthree
fun stats on why collaboration: http://tinyurl.com/ch83jy
- Carrie Krinock
Nick: that's probably true, but they signed up a million people so are an example of a consumer service that's done well.
- Robert Scoble
David: I might mention them, but I'm not trying to be comprehensive.
- Robert Scoble
I think open standards need a mention since Microformats is now even supported by Google. Automating to extract information from structured data brings great opportunities.
- Burcu Dogan
Analytics
- George Dearing
Scoble: I think you have to have Twitter, they all know it but it has to be there, it is a platform that engages and ties with a lot of what is in your talk
- Lou Paglia
Mobile is way under-emphasized... I think that's gonna start getting bigger and bigger and bigger...
- Joel Haasnoot
Joel: I agree, I could spend 16 hours just on mobile. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert: fair comment re Mint.
- Nick Wade
++Joel completely agree. mobile is bigger than ever now and 2010
- Lou Paglia
Have you added calibration tools for product demos and training ?
- William Lopez
William: no, what kind of tools are you thinking of?
- Robert Scoble
Have fun, remember most people hate sitting in their seats more than 20 minutes, make they get up and down a little. Ask one of them to come up and do pushups.
- Halley Suitt
Halley: um, I'm not THAT brave! :-)
- Robert Scoble
ome emphasis on Web Services - and agree on the Mobile detail required!
- Manoj Menon
Just don't let them challenge YOU to a push-up battle ... no fun, even for me.
- Halley Suitt
could have major topic not about tools but "paradigm shifts", the breakdown of the walls between the enterprise and the rest of the web, 2010 CIOs will contend more than ever with not being able to put four walls around their corporate constituents
- Lou Paglia
I underplay mobile because I could spend hours on just that. Heheh. I have 30 minutes.
- Robert Scoble
Lou: absolutely! That will be a subtext to everything.
- Robert Scoble
Hmm, but mobile is moving more and more to tailor-made-mobile, not just a bare bones version of the website: maybe that's a paradigm shift you could mention.
- Joel Haasnoot
If CIO's aren't careful, paradigm shifts become paradigm shafts, as they take a sudden beating in a marketplace.
- Halley Suitt
there is the issue of "mixed discovery" I am missing; a ping pong of subjects and peoples when you use twitter e.g.; you go from @person to #issue to @ person etc ... - that is a new kind of serendipity; could be used to have new ideas about marketing
- Willi Schroll
You forgot to show the Oprah-fication of any modern technology.
- Pete Barry
I am missing the integration bit ... not sure it really exists yet. The problem is that this is way too many tools for any one company. so possibly just a missing item.
- Oliver Thylmann
@halley they can either be part of the movement and coach their organizations through the changes as a thought leader or many can continue to try to put up "sand bags" and there is where the your term, shaft, will come.
- Lou Paglia
What about Hulu under video? For me it's an important piece. :)
- James Furlo
James: good catch.
- Robert Scoble
I just gave a similar talk here in LA yesterday. My take on it as a former CIO is how the consumer/general internet systems are tackling the problems that have plagued enterprise. From single sign on to data portability, transparency, collaboration and real time communication. They need to start looking at these systems as the model for the new enterprise in 2010 and beyond.
- Jerry Schuman
In cloud, what about development availability, S3, EC2, gist, gnip, the glue movement, shared data center and server resources (there's your Rackspace plug)
- Lou Paglia
Boxee might be a good topic as they are trying to make it a media player with a social web component.
- dthree
Lou: that's another area I underplayed on purpose because I could spend an hour there. Personally it'll lead us down a rathole and keep us from talking about the bigger trends. If they start deploying anything new they'll need hosting and we'll be involved in the conversation then.
- Robert Scoble
David: Boxee is a good one to discuss.
- Robert Scoble
an overall theme is the shift in technology moving consumer to enterprise rather than the other way around. For companies its more important than ever to look at what startups/small biz are doing vs thinking "they'll be using my big system in 5 years".
- William Kapes
Should Boxee really be on a CIO's radar at this point, is convergence of web with the digital home even part of the CIO conversation, should it be?
- Lou Paglia
Sometimes I wonder if CIO's really grok the way the folks they support WORK day to day. Sometimes we're at home w/a crying baby, sometimes on the road w/customers, sometimes in the office. As a sales marketing geek for years, I always wanted to scream, "Hey guys, I'm in a rental car on a frigging windy road north of Portland in a thunderstorm trying to connect to the system to get the new pricing sheet, do you GET my life? Help me out here!"
- Halley Suitt
Are you using MindManager for your mindmaps, Robert?
- Rohit
Lou: good point, gotta stay focused a BIT on business, but the changes in TV do have implications. I just was at Adobe and they are enabling 1080p high def to both browsers and TV.
- Robert Scoble
Rohit: yes, this is done with MindManager.
- Robert Scoble
The ideas behind technologies like Wolfram|Alpha and Hunch
- Mike Smith
Robert - Here's a Mindmeister Mind Map that I've been working on here and there for some time now - I don't have geolocation-centric sites listed, but otherwise, this is a handy look at the social-sphere: http://www.mindmeister.com/maps...
- Enrique Gutierrez
Mogulus in the live video section? And why not other sites, like BlipTV or others, for those who edit and upload higher quality videos that are shareable?
- Ken Kaplan
Since these are CIO's you can talk about how sometimes even "outlaw" technologies can find a place in the modern workplace. There are companies using BitTorrent to push out updates among sites, saves on bandwidth since it goes distributed. But I think the biggest focus of your talk, since its you :), should be the influence of the social and real-time web and its impact. Again, your strength and you've only got 30 mins
- William Kapes
@Lou Paglia, got that right.
- Halley Suitt
Ken: good point. I love Blip. But again I wasn't trying to be comprehensive.
- Robert Scoble
topline think this may be too granular for most CIOs - this group is broad predictions for the path + a few examples. Functionally expand microblogging add Twitter then let niche apps flow from there.
- Carol Lynn Martens
Doesn't LinkedIn apply. There is a lot of professional interaction and the Answers section for mentoring.
- Alan Eggleston
CIOs are going to be most interested in security, and not necessarily hampering the discussion (some will), but rather how they can track what people are saying within the company, and how they can better train those that use social media in the company. At least that was my experience speaking to a similar group of CIOs in Dallas last year.
- Jesse Stay
Alan: I was on purpose leaving out older social networks like Linked In, Twitter, and Facebook. I want to focus on what's disruptive.
- Robert Scoble
not sure if this was asked above...but will there be a video of this, Robert?
- Carlos Ayala
Carlos, nope, sorry. Usually with a small intimate group (only about 20) they want to have off the record conversations.
- Robert Scoble
Unless I missed something there may be a gap in terms of viral video (YouTube, etc), shared image hosting and slideshows, and even presentation sharing (SlideShare, AuthorSTREAM)--with literacy and attention spans down these become key communication components IMHO on two levels -- ease of use (post once link anywhere) and ability to comment and rate to build communities of passion.
- Tom Bunzel
Quick question robert: which programs do you use on your mac and iphone to access friendfeed?
- Rohit
Where is Vimeo?.. Hulu..?
- Oguz Serdar
What about Evernote in the "Cloud and Collaboration" topic? It's ubiquitous... web, desktop, iPhone, Blackberry, etc.
- Kurt Rosenkranz
Roger that Robert, understood. Thanks.
- Carlos Ayala
Azure, App Engine, Rack Space Cloud, Amazon EC3, etc... Something had to run all those things in your mind map.
- Jeff Weber
Google Apps under both Office and Collaboration
- Scott McMullan
You can tell them: because of the "cloud" most of them won't have a job in 2 years, because of social-realtime web, most of their businesses won't make it through the depression
- Tweet Feeds
I know you're trying to keep the map slim, but: Google Voice, drop.io, and the mention of Evernote on iphone - the snapnote feature (mobile image capture/upload + OCR + desktop, web/feed access).
- Micah
Say hi you are on screen
- Robert Scoble
Hi CIOs!
- Jesse Stay
Hi everbody.
- dthree
Jesse the CIO of your church says hi!
- Robert Scoble
hi everyone
- Brian Watkins
Robert tell Joel I said hi back - you two should do lunch some time and have him show you some of the stuff they're doing.
- Jesse Stay
Hope you guys blocked out a few hours of your time. Robert kind of talks a lot.
- Jerry Schuman
Hi CIOs, the smarts are moving to the edges of the organization so dust off your resumes, your roles are obsolete
- Tweet Feeds
I think there will be more mixture between real life and online life. Sharing identities & connections will be as common as exchanging business cards right now. And, I predict, you will be tagging real-life objects with your phone (or your My name is E connector) to put them as favorites online. Or to ask for a product sample with one simple motion (thanks to nfc and rfid). So, 'sharing identities / mixing real and virtual' deserves some attention... Good luck!
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
Hi from the Netherlands. Just to point out you need more focus in your MindMap on international collaboration tools :)
- Rene de Vries
Robert, perhaps touch on how they plan to serve the business / marketing side more effectively? Maximize available man hours, evolve prioritization criteria, etc.
- Jeff
Oh. And great to see Wakoopa on the list there. 'You are what you use' is a pretty powerful social indicator.
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
How about adding VMware under Cloud and Communities.
- Shobhana
@Home Depot: I'm no Luddite, but I did not at all like the automated checkouts at first. Now I'm coming around - last week had the quickest turn-around shopping experience at a hardward store that I can remember. Sorry, back on topic now :)
- Micah
i would add geezeo next to mint and perhaps txtblaster next to tatango
- Allen Stern
Live mesh,live office for collaboration.
- Ashish
Nice job, Robert. $1 to first CIO (other than me) from that room who responds to this message. :)
- Joel Dehlin
Joel you're one of the *only* CIOs I know that uses FriendFeed. You've been using it for over a year now I think, haven't you?
- Jesse Stay
from email
Jesse: I think there may be a few other ones onto friendfeed, but I think I might have shocked them with a look at my real time feed. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Joel, nice meeting you, I'll find out the answer to your question. Can you follow me here on friendfeed so I can DM you?
- Robert Scoble
Don't forget about Dropbox under "cloud and collaboration". One of my favorite tools by far.
- Brandon Titus
Under Consumer, I would add a major value and coupon site like RedPlum.com personally as companies like Home Depot and Pepsi can relate to this.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
@scobleizer Awesome mindmap. Why does youtube not make the map under video?
- Kevin Murray
perty, good job much better than a power p prezzo
- sofarsoShawn
Kevin: now that I've given a speech I need to go through and make it much more complete. For the speech I was going for disruptive stuff that was changing right now and that would jog my memory. As it was we didn't get through the complete list. 30 minutes flies by.
- Robert Scoble
like that I could read your mindmap on my iphone - funny though when I saw web 2010 I thought - ah robert is providing a glimpse of the future to disconnected cio's - then realized that's a little over 7 months away - wow time flies :-p
- mike "glemak" dunn
mike: and keep in mind that the car industry has changed the definition of a year anyway. I'm getting my 2010 Prius in a week or two.
- Robert Scoble
true
- mike "glemak" dunn
To adopt any of this nascent social media, there must be an almost immediate ROI. Otherwise, it's nothing more than an amusement.
- Don Bonaddio
D@mn Don! On the noesy!
- Arleen Boyd
Don: there is a lot of money in amusements. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
after reading this thread "better" - there have been many cto's on friendfeed for awhile now, different dna than cio's - justsayn :-p
- mike "glemak" dunn
you covered all that in 30mins? Or was this the handout.
- Ryan Stanley
Ryan: we got to one or two nodes. Heheh. I don't do handouts.
- Robert Scoble
You forgot Aviary.
- Mike Shields
Oh, and we should probably discuss it instead :)
- Mike Shields
Did you find most of your audience were already Web 2.0 savvy?
- Ryan Stanley
BBC iPlayer?
- Rupert Watson
ROI - Robert - is there a slide that tells them why? Jack Welch would tell you that if you are not measuring this you are not managing it. The only way to persuade grey beards like me is to show them why it is worthwhile otherwise in this climate more than any other time - experiments for the sake of just learning and playing will get short shrift.
- Simon Rogers
Scobes: thanks for the reply on the youtube q. your mindmap is my new "must understand" check list. thanks again for all your contribution.
- Kevin Murray
What about integrating home - all the appliance at home if we can control it from the net. .....security has too be very good.
- anamika
I'm curious as to how the CIO of Home Depot responded. Being a B&M hardware store, they aren't very big on Tech (ask me about using and deploying Office 97 in 2004 *shudder*). When I was there, there was lots of energy going in to SAP and other ERP related products/projects but not much energy going into making sure employees could use those tools. I digress...so how did it go?
- EricaJoy
EricaJoy: I don't remember a specific response from him. There was some of the usual pushback about why I would share so much of my life online. Other than that I was impressed that they were very literate on the topics and services I showed.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I don't see sync and version control products on your mind map. I think they are getting important for information management.
- Arvind
any chance you'd post final draft - maybe in original form (not pdf/jpg?) also - camtasia recording of presentation could be fun
- Courtney Engle
Don't see SlideShare it'd be handy under Collaboration and if not on this presentation perhaps on one with a focus on the next stage or under implementation strategies.
- James Stratford
open web identity: add Firefox (with 200+ downloads...); Jammer is spelled Yammer; add AWS at cloud services; I would definitely move Ning to 'community' (it is also realtime; but first of all it is the most important community building platform; very popular in the Netherlands); Google Apps for collaboration
- Jeroen De Miranda
Robert, if you have time to answer quickly, are you using the Mac or Windows version or both?
- Gregg Morris
Gregg Windows version
- Robert Scoble
i am late for this but, i wud also add twine and streamy..not sure where though. i thought i saw analytics up there...definitely a must. also really confused as to how evernote helps brands connect with consumers.
- Freddie Benjamin
Chet: nope, sorry.
- Robert Scoble
just saw you have the apps room in there, did you get a few words in about it?
- Zee.
Zee: we talked about friendfeed but I don't think we spoke specifically about that room.
- Robert Scoble
You left out Search, Commerce, Mobile - no? All of these are critical business drivers, platforms, customer channels. All are shifting, seismically under their enterprise feet.
- Thom Kennon
Wolfram|Alpha
- Andrew Eglinton
Steve Rubel asks: "How many of you have ditched RSS for Twitter - and if so why?" (via http://friendfeed.com/e...)
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Steve is a smart guy but this is a DUMB question. Have you ditched FTP? SMTP? HTTP? HTML? Those questions make no sense -- of course you haven't ditched them. Twitter uses SMTP and HTTP and HTML and guess what it uses RSS too.
- Dave Winer
Twitter! It's smarter and faster.
- Igor Poltavskiy
yep - rarely look at the RSS reader now, and always clicking on links in Twitter
- Ed Beard
@DaveWiner it is not a dumb question. RSS is not like HTTP or FTP? (and I know who you are ;), they are core communication proctols (built albeit on other lower lever comms) - RSS is another layer above that, is it not? Everyone associates RSS with blogging and blog readers and publishing, so yes I have pretty much dumped RSS for the timebeing.
- Paul Kinlan
I'm actually going the other way - I've stopped following popular bloggers because I would rather folow their blog. Most are just replicating their conversations anyway on twitter.
- David
RSS is newer so it's higher up in the stack. That's a difference, but an unimportant one imho.
- Dave Winer
i ditched twitter for friendfeed - does that count?
- Chris Heath
i see the issue as how you consume rss, for me same as chris just said, mostly through friendfeed - still use greader from time to time though
- mike "glemak" dunn
If I use twitter's rss in my email client, do I have the potential to cross streams? :)
- Sean Powell
Agree with Dave. Twitter bubbles stuff to the top, but I still go through gReader every day. (Well, almost every day.)
- John Federico
this is not a dumb question. i interpreted it as "rss reader" and i raise my hand in the affirmative. there's limited time in a day. i have to use that resource carefully. twitter (and a little facebook) has displaced 90 percent of my Google Reader time. I have all the subscriptions still there, but maybe look at them every 3rd week. Twitter is my newsreader. It's my overall web reader.
- @baratunde
then you answered a different question didn't you
- Dave Winer
Just pipe Twitter in your RSS reader through an RSS feed?!
- Kris
@DaveWiner i suppose if we always want to insist on the most precise possible language, then yes, i answered a different question. it was an imprecise question. it was not a DUMB question. since we're focusing on language
- @baratunde
steve, everyone should ditch techcrunch and switch to twitter. techcx is the corpse not a format that never did anything to hurt anyone. put pennies in tx's eyes and fuhgeddaboutit. btw, pr is dead too. just use twitter.
- Dave Winer
I'm sorry but the 'RSS is Plumbing' argument is only going to retard RSS growth. Yes, it *is* that - but it's much more. You'll get to lay a lot more pipe if you get better at showing how pretty the houses are going to look. So end use is important. All that said, Twitter? God no. And RSS is the fuel *for* the real time web. It's the snow pack on the mountain. If it dwindles, you'll see a drought in the (real-time) river. http://www.blindfiveyearold.com/rss-mar...
- AJ Kohn
hey baratunde lets be imprecise about something you care about dying or being ditched.
- Dave Winer
Since we're all trying to be precise about language here, why are we just using "RSS" to generically refer to both RSS and Atom?
- Ken Sheppardson
ok dave. i do care about the difference between dying and being ditched. you got me!
- @baratunde
and dave, i do see your point. there's a distinction. i was just reacting to the all caps DUMB, but we place different value in it. For me it was a question of end user interface. more "raw" RSS feed readers like GReader vs a friend-mediated twitter reader like tweetdeck or twitter.com. It's something i've thought about and take for granted that lots of twitter feeds are RSS powered. carry on team!
- @baratunde
and please don't search for instances of me judging other questions as dumb. i've done it before and will do it again. I JUDGE PEOPLE ALL THE TIME AND LOVE DOING SO! laterz for real this time
- @baratunde
Look I'm not going to give you an analogy, you have a good imagination. I understand what you're saying, and I object. If you have something to say about RSS readers then say it. But RSS has always been the victim of this kind of crap, coming from people who have very bad intentions. This is no exception. By accepting the premise you're helping undermine something GOOD. Why don't you defend it, instead. What has RSS ever done to you Baratunde?
- Dave Winer
This isn't about people baratunde, it's about keeping open formats open.
- Dave Winer
RSS hasn't done anything to me negatively. As an infrastructure it makes lots of services i love and benefit from possible (my blog, various podcasts, video delivery to boxee, etc). RSS READERS are of lower value to me than info I glean from my twitter friends when it comes to surfacing news-like info that I like. that's the most precise way I can put it right now. That's the question...
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- @baratunde
If we are talking about RSS/Twitter as a source for news, I use prefer RSS/Atom since I get more information out of the box without having to rely on more than one application.
- Horst Gutmann
@Steve Rubel People have reduced or stopped using RSS readers because there are only so many hours of online time per day. Find that Friendfeed is more interesting than Google Reader at the moment. I'll be back there again soon. Friendfeed and Twitter to some extent are shiny toys for many people.
- David Damore
I ditched RSS for Atom. Does it count?
- Berk D. Demir
without trying to hurt Dave's feelings I'd like to agree with the thrust of @baratunde's perspective. I tend to follow people now more than info streams. I let people filter info for me.
- Christian Crumlish
and I stopped using an RSS reader about four years ago and started again recently (Google Reader) but now most of what I follow there are search queries and things like that (including mentions of my username and topics I'm writing about on, yes, Twitter), whereas in 2002-2005 (-ish) I was mostly following blog feeds in my feedreader.
- Christian Crumlish
and just to make sure I am not offending Dave, put me on record as saying "RSS will never die."
- Christian Crumlish
for many who consume RSS feeds, the technical nature of RSS itself is unimportant. For many the term RSS = traditional RSS reader as they've known and adopted it. This is how the question was meant when asked by Steve I believe. Of course both FF and Twitter use RSS. While FF is an RSS reader in part, it is more complicated than simply an RSS reader I believe. I stopped consuming RSS...
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- Thomas Hawk
I'm still checking my RSS feed each morning but for business purposes I'm getting more specific, real time data from gist. It's currently in BETA but has been getting better and better each month. Seems like feeds are less and less important as the feeds themselves are pulled in by more collaborative and interactive tools.
- Cody Boardman
I've moved from checking my rss feeds first thing in the morning to being irresistably drawn to friendfeed.
- Michael Metz
It is not a dumb question - he knows that Twitter uses RSS - The question is whether we know or care how Twitter operates and what it uses to get the job done
- Simon Rogers
hey if that was the question why didn't he ask it?
- Dave Winer
Ditched? No. But I do find I use Google Reader less than I used to pre-Twitter. I wonder how much of it, though, is just me being the mouse getting his pellet by clicking the button, and Twitter gives a quicker "hit" than GR...
- Scott Paley
Here's where I'd rather use my RSS reader than the twitterstream. Saturday morning, first cup of coffee, half awake, and I'm not ready to jump into the stream. My reader provides a familiar, comfortable context, not unlike the morning newspaper, with a beginning (my top favorite sources) and an end (bottom of the page, sources I only sometimes get to). The twitterstream is too rough for...
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- Michael Metz
Another unfortunate run-in with a bird today. http://twitter.com/dougw...
Good job it didn't get caught in the engine intake...I'd be spitting feathers.. -:)
- Simon Rogers
Why journalists deserve low pay. http://www.csmonitor.com/2009...
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"Unfortunately, journalistic labor has become commoditized. Most journalists share the same skills sets and the same approaches to stories, seek out the same sources, ask similar questions, and produce relatively similar stories." - I think that sums it up very nicely. Welcome back to the free market, though I sincerely hope some publications will get it and provide unique looks at the issues that no one else can provide. It will make it valuable which is what we all try to add.
- Michael Turner
Agreed - they spend too much time re-hashing someone else's story instead of adding new content that is worthy of our consideration. I think Nick Davis was the man who wrote (was the Book Flat Earth? - can't remember) that 88% of news has been already published elsewhere.
- Simon Rogers
Brian Solis Says that the Connections People Make Through Social Media Are Inspired by Ideas - http://www.emediawire.com/release...
Brian Solis, Web visionary and Principal of New Media agency, FutureWorks, says the unique connections made between individuals on the basis of shared passions are what drive social media. Whereas the technology allows our relationships to constantly expand, contract and shift, the information we share with our followers on blogs and other self-publishing platforms creates ties that bind us.
- Brian Solis
Agreed 100% - I get tired of folks talking about demographic analysis of this that and the other. The question should be do they like it - yes or no - and why do or don't they like it. That then gives you the insight to do something better. Too much old world science is being badly applied to new world systems and delivering data rather than information.
- Simon Rogers
@briansolis of course it's unfortunately for real see http://twitter.com/teejay2... we're near a catastrophy
Wow, I want 48 million Twitter followers. Imagine the fun I'd have. Imagine the power.
- Jason Mayoff
It looks like MLM to me - and I wonder about targetting - more like machine gun spraying DM spamming would be my guess
- Simon Rogers
I like my gallery homepage a lot more than I did a week ago.... http://gapingvoidgallery.com/
Hi Hugh - are you left handed by any chance? I was at a presentation yesterday that AMV BBDO were giving to a fast food chain and they showed some of your stuff as eveidence of delivering ROI in social media engagement and I found myself wondering about the distinctive hand writing which has becaome part of your brand...by the way we were the monitoring and measurement comany involved in the Cadbury Wispa market test and re-launch.
- Simon Rogers
I just changed my account so everyone can see much more of my data. Hey, now friendfeed is like a super Twitter!
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I'm now using Friendfeed like I used to use Twitter. It's a much nicer experience.
- Pete Gilbert
Without this 'toy' it is hard to sunstantiate ROI
- Simon Rogers
what changes did you exactly make?
- Menno te Koppele
Sam: no. I'm uploading photos. Then going to bed.
- Robert Scoble
Um, I changed my FACEBOOK settings to be "for everyone." New settings that just were turned on in the past few days, as far as I can tell.
- Robert Scoble
I messed up and said "friendfeed" when I meant Facebook. Sam, yep, I have 5,300 people waiting to be my friend. I can't add more than 5,000.
- Robert Scoble
Sam: I just have started getting the first spam in the past week. I hear that multi level marketers are grabbing phone numbers off of Twitter and spamming them.
- Robert Scoble
Sam: I have a system to weed out phone spammers, though. I don't accept calls from blocked caller IDs, for one. For two I hang up on any salesperson.
- Robert Scoble
Sam: yeah, once in a while. Usually only after I post to call me, though. Real geeks are usually a little shy.
- Robert Scoble
I've always promoted it as a super twitter. Get with the times ;-)
- Keith Barrett
super twitter!
- (jeff)isageek
Do you keep a separate Facebook for personal use because my family couldn't care less what I say re biz
- Kathryn Martyn
Kathryn: Nope, I'm just one person and if anyone doesn't like it they can unfollow. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert, my system is if they aren't in my phone book I let them leave a message. If they're some one I want to talk to later I add them to my phone book after they leave a message and call them back. Technically, I could probably get Google Voice to do this for me - I should set that up.
- Jesse Stay
Robert: "Real geeks are usually a little shy' haha but true...hey, did you have your breakfast yet...hint hint
- Myrna
If you search for Robert Scoble on Facebook you find some interesting things...you have a lots of fans, Robert (no surprise), some detractors (again, not really news-worthy) and then there's this group...http://www.facebook.com/group... :) I might join...
- WoH: Professor MOTHRA
WorldofHiglet: thanks, I didn't know about that group. Wonder why Maryam isn't a member?
- Robert Scoble
More to the point, why is Alex a member?!?
- WoH: Professor MOTHRA
I'm also using FriendFeed like Twitter. Very cool experience.
- ororodc
wow, i didn't know facebook was letting data out into the actual internet these days...
- coffee
Sam: I see Oprah in another one of Robert's threads today! :)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Or somone pulling her twitter feed into FF
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
It looks like that Twitter is really going mainstream- geeks no longer think it's cool
- Tim Lai
What changes did you make?
- Kevin Murray
The Everyone settings on Facebook were turned on at least a week ago, maybe two. I turned everything pretty much on that way, but way dismayed to note that I can't share my email address or phone number either Everyone.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Agree with Pete Gilbert. I'm using FF much more than Twitter.
- Joao Alves
California Supreme Court overturns gay marriage (Prop 8) ban: http://www.latimes.com/news... - RT @latimeslocal
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Why we were all hoaxed? Oh, yeah, a professional news brand tweeted this: http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... Someone should get fired for this.
- Robert Scoble
They pulled this Tweet off of their Twitter account. It turned out this story is a year old.
- Robert Scoble
Maybe several someones. If this is really the LA Times, this is very bad.
- Dr. Headcrash
Dr. Headcrash: this really was the LA Times. They admitted it on their Twitter account.
- Robert Scoble
The off-by-one-year date did strike me when I saw the article. But still -- how could a news organization be fooled by their own morgue?
- Dr. Headcrash
Pulling a tweet is even worse than useless as a response. It just makes everyone confused as to the source.
- Dr. Headcrash
Dumbasses
- sofarsoShawn
fail
- Andy Sternberg
No year in the timestamp, but it's in the URL /www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-gaymarriage16-2008may16,0,6182317.story?page=1 See, May 16 2008 And now, there's a year in the timestamp on the article.
- FFing Enigma
Hmm... you'd think that the folks involved in tweeting would be the story editors writing today's news, not someone going through back articles in the morgue.
- Dr. Headcrash
Heh. Maybe they had some random temp or intern manning the Twitter feed. Bad idea. Hopefully everyone has learned a lesson.
- Dr. Headcrash
Good job la. Keep it classy.
- Daniel Morgan
DOHHHH!!!!!!
- Thomas Hawk
Bitches.
- Derrick
LOL no time stamp or any SC trial leading up to the judgment ~ EGADS. Quit reporting as TMZ!
- sofarsoShawn
Shades of the United Airlines selloff last year after Google mistakenly gave a current date to a six year old story:http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...
- Brian Sheehan
On FF, the LATimes account is a real person named Andrew. (See http://friendfeed.com/zeigen... where he jumps in to answer some questions.) Andrew, can you address the issues raised here?
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
This tweet was a misfire. Once it was noticed, it was a) removed from twitter to avoid confusion. b) acknowledged and corrected as an FTR: http://twitter.com/LATimes... c) we shared links to our most current coverage. We appreciate your feedback and suggestions on best practices for how to handle similar future situations that occur beyond latimes.com ~ Andrew / @latimesnystrom / LAT social media guy
- Los Angeles Times
Please watch our LA Now blog - http://latimes.com/now - for an update on this. ~ Andrew / @latimesnystrom
- Los Angeles Times
"feedback and suggestions on best practices for how to handle similar future situations" <--- My feedback and suggestion is to not tweet things that are old. Simple as that.
- Rochelle
+1 Rochelle :)
- Charley M
LOL yes I echo that feedback proper journalism wouldn't have allowed the misreporting to happen, that damn itchy Twitter finger is not such.
- sofarsoShawn
time to start a score board keeping track of how many times social media corrects a big media story and how many times big media corrects a widely distributed SM story
- mike
This ruined my day.
- Fleagle
Here's a direct link to the LA Now blog post, from 2:13pm PDT: "False report on Proposition 8 being overturned lights up Twitter" - http://tr.im/ltFR - Here's an excerpt from the end of that post: "The court's ruling on Prop. 8 is expected in the next few weeks. Full Times coverage of the gay marriage fight is here [http://latimes.com/prop8]." ~ AndrewN, LAT [full-time social media guy, not an intern]
- Los Angeles Times
Seems to me that there is a need for some grown ups to be involved ensuring that journalists check their sources and editors ask the question of their journalists
- Simon Rogers
Unfortunately the 61% homophobes who agreed to Prop 22 may argue this.
- Jeffrey Allan Boman
Too bad the vote of the court means more than that of the people! :(
- Joey
August 2, 2006 @latimes Pulitzer-winning story resurfaced by @tonyrobbins 11hrs ago [w/o any mention that it's an older story]: http://bit.ly/iP9lC Makes @retweetist list of top RT; I'm sort of surprised there' no outrage on Twitter or FriendFeed. Q: Should every tweet of non-breaking news include some sort of disclaimer? ~ Andrew, LAT social media guy / @latimesnystrom
- Los Angeles Times
Video: Windows Touch - Windows 7 - http://www.youtube.com/watch... ^JT
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Is it me or do some of those motions look familiar
- Corey Brown
Familiar - my other half has had this for a year & she loves it. She is a maths teacher & an intensive user of technology to prepare lessons & teach
- Simon Rogers
Twitter, Circa 1935 (photo) - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
Brian Kenyon, (jeff)isageek, Thomas Power and 9 other people liked this
Fantastic - reminds of the idea attributed to AG Bell that at some point in time there will be a telephone in every town...
- Simon Rogers
I saw a short clip about this somewhere, If only I can remember where... Scratch that, I think it was about the Internet, not twitter, still can't find it...
- Liviu Lica
Very 1.0 interface if you ask me...
- Senne Tijdeman
superb Pete
- Thomas Power
At least they had a business model
- Steffen
Is Yahoo Working on a Twitter Knockoff? http://www.appscout.com/2009...
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This http://www.appscout.com/2009... Yahoo-Twitter clone is legal. What do you call FriendFeed?
- ThinkEzy
sounds interesting and cool. competition is always for the better.
- Kirill Bolgarov
Yahoo need to be working on something that works for them...
- Simon Rogers
I agreed to get a dog with the understanding the i wasn't walking it. three weeks later, at 7am, i'm walking the dog while others sleep
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Maybe you like doing it?
- Bec Rowe @d0tski
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I will keep this in mind the next time Nell says, "Daddy, you'll never have to walk him."
- Andy Jacobson
It's good the soul though..
- Simon Rogers
Hopefully, you'll start looking forward to it.
- Michael Fidler
You cannot resist loving the dawg.
- Jack&Cleo
Don't complain, you knew this day was going to come. :)
- Christian Burns
And I'll bet you are picking up the poop, too. Similar thing happened to me and one day I woke up and realized I was doing that which I hadn't signed up for. Shitty.
- Donovan Watts
Friend Of Mine - Lily Allen - Alright, Still
It’s a Lily Allen weekend here at fredwilson.vc
this song has a great reggae thing going on in it. - http://fredwilson.vc/post...
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very nicely produced...got me thinking of Linda Lewis - now 30 years ago...
- Simon Rogers
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