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So I just learned that Proquest dumped hundreds of thousands of dissertations into Turnitin. I think this is evil. I also learned, poking around, that many ETDs have a "run it through Turnitin" step. I don't think libraries should be supporting a private corporation that relies on a dubious fair use claim to build their empire of badness.
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Sorry, just had to vent. Curious if any of you feel differently.
- barbara fister
WHAT? This is just ridiculous on so many levels.
- Lisa Hinchliffe
hmmm. so, publishing your dissertation with PQ now means you give up your copyright too? doesn't Turnitin take rights over everything that it puts in its maw?
- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
from YouFeed
I agree. It sucks.
- Marianne
It's not the fair use claim that bothers me about Turnitin. After all, if you think Google books is fair use, then you can't complain about the transformative use of Turnitin. My complaint has always been the fact that my school requires students to enhance their business model in order to pass a course.
- DJF
from Android
I wonder whether students who check the PQ option to not allow 3rd party indexing get opted out of this as well....
- Sarah
from FreshFeed
...I wonder if mine's in there? how would I check, if my campus doesn't have Turnitin?
- Catherine Pellegrino
I've been complaining about their business practices for years. Looks like I started complaining on my blog in _2006_ (!!!). http://jasongriffey.net/wp...
- Jason Griffey
from iPhone
(note also that students in classes that use Turnitin are required to accept the company's terms of use, which grant that company a license to use the material submitted, so they don't actually depend on the fair use defense. See also my complaints about facilitating commerce while doing my homework.)
- DJF
In court they have relied on fair use (and if that flies, it should totally be okay for HathiTrust too, Google Books and any other way people want to mine copyrighted texts) but in this case it doesn't seem anyone gave them permission except ProQuest. Maybe the third party checkoff thing is how they are getting around it. It's still outrageous, imo. While poking around, though, I was amazed at how many universities say they won't accept a dissertation until hit has been run through Turnitin.
- barbara fister
Barbara, you're right, I slightly misstated. They have used fair use as their defense in court, but they don't HAVE to, which is what I should have said. The fair use part is probably related to their harvesting of web content more than their use of student-submitted assignments.
- DJF
from Android
I bet it is the third party checkoff - I don't think they could do that otherwise.
- Sarah
Ah, I haven't read the decision carefully. Given other lawsuits, it seemed a really weird invocation of fair use (so long as you use it for something, SURE, GO RIGHT AHEAD! But libraries? whoa, have to think about that...) I wonder how long that third party link has been an option (or default or whatever it is...)
- barbara fister
BTW, here's a press release.This happened over a year ago. How many people know about it? http://pages.turnitin.com/rs...
- barbara fister
I know it's been added within the past five years or so, because our Graduate College had a fit when they realized some of the dissertations were being sold on Amazon without the students knowing it. PQ provided a new agreement with a yes or no option at that point.
- Sarah
because making it easy to find the dissertations that ProQuest has been selling for decades anyway is just evil?
- DJF
from Android
Because the grad students didn't know that they were doing that. Finding your dissertation on amazon without knowing it would be there was shocking for many. They get the PQ selling it, but expected it to just stay there.
- Sarah
Had a similar experience to Sarah, only in my case it was library brass who got the Fatal Email from a pissed-off graduate, and they assumed it was somehow my fault -- either I had set this up somehow, or I'd told ProQuest it was okay.
- RepoRat
I'm very lucky in that our Graduate College is very sane.
- Sarah
Holy shit.
- Meg V. Meg
Given my generally anti-copyright stance, I think I'm totally fine with this?
- Steele Lawman
But given that dissertations aren't published in the same way that published books and articles are, I think I might have a problem with this? Clearly I'm conflicted.
- Steele Lawman
It's a puzzle. I was a tad annoyed when I found Goodreads was importing my personal blog onto their site, but then thought "well, it does have a cc license." I can see why people who didn't realize Proquest could sell it on any platform including ones they use daily were taken aback.
- barbara fister
I'm not sure why dissertations aren't public domain in the first place.
- Bill Hooker
(Turning up in Turnitin would annoy me though.)
- barbara fister
US attitudes are very market-oriented. This post at IHE today on Swedish approaches to dissertations was interesting .... http://www.insidehighered.com/blogs...
- barbara fister
That is quite interesting - thanks for posting!
- Sarah
Stupid question, how does ProQuest having the right to do whatever they want with dissertations lead to Amazon? I've seen questions about students confused to see it there.
- aarontay
If they can do whatever they want then that includes selling it on Amazon (rather than just through their own platform) where it'll get a wider distribution but authors weren't expecting to see it there.
- Deborah Fitchett
Amazon is not publishing the books. ProQuest is listing them on Amazon, which it's allowed to do since the students generally given ProQuest a license to distribute them.
- DJF
I'd still like to see Barbara's original source for where she got this information (unless it's a private communication, etc.) -- not that I don't believe her, but I'd like to see the context, etc. -- and I'm still curious how dissertation authors can determine if their work is contained within Turnitin or not -- or are we to understand that ALL PQ dissertations are included?
- Catherine Pellegrino
Sorry, missed this question way back when - I believe it came up on WPA-L but is also in this news release http://turnitin.com/en_us... It's not clear, but it sounds as if it's everything post 2008, though maybe opt-outers are out. I don't know how authors would know if their work is there or not.
- barbara fister
My bigger problem with TUrnitin is that it teaches students how to plagiarise more deviously. As an academic I have used it when my radar went off abt student work so I manually uploaded (unit outline tells students I may do this). Think the PQ uploads feed into bigger text/data mining issues & copyright which will utterly explode in next 2 years
- Kathryn is Blake in Hindi
from iPhone
I dunno, isn't plagiarising with sufficient deviousness indistinguishable from a literature review? Is the problem that it doesn't teach them how to plagiarise deviously *enough*?
- Deborah Fitchett
Nah - most common plagiarism is throwing a thesaurus at someone else's work then passing it off as their own.
- Kathryn is Blake in Hindi
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I was thinking somebody (or pref. group) really does need to start an ethical Predatory Publishers List--but a better definition of predatory is needed. Splitting journals, lots of new journals, phony "sponsored" journals, republishing articles, excessive page charges, double-dipping...
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[And I hear folks from Emerald, T&F, Elsevier saying "isolated incidents, we're the GOOD GUYS, we're PROFESSIONAL PUBLISHERS..."]
- Walt Crawford
... that's a pretty good idea.
- RepoRat
And the group that does it needs to be Scholars With Credentials, I think. (Ducks and runs.) Preferably scholars within libraries... and yes, I actually am more than half-serious about this. It might redeem a useful term from its currently debased state.
- Walt Crawford
It sounds vaguely like Retraction Watch. I mean, you could have a similar format.
- Meg V. Meg
I was thinking the same thing, Meg.
- RepoRat
i love you people
- jambina
Sarah, you're connected -- any of your groups willing to take a project like this under their wing? I'd just as soon warn off barratry addicts if possible.
- RepoRat
Should we cite the Phil Davis research that found all of the Emerald / MCB article republishing without attribution?
- Yo Joe. No, go slow.
from iPod
*want* (cannot help create)
- $tephanie•Cog$ciLibrarian
"Publication Watch" lol
- Meg V. Meg
Do we need to get an issn for /Publication Watch/?
- Yo Joe. No, go slow.
from iPod
Only if it's going to be a periodical--altho' getting an ISSN for an e-only publication is so easy even I was able to do it (13 years ago, for C&I, at no cost, took maybe five minutes).
- Walt Crawford
Want, also. I'd be willing to help, if I can.
- Grumpator
Let me make it clear: 1. I think this is a great idea. 2. I know better than to offer to help, for several reasons, some of them probably obvious.
- Walt Crawford
This is a great idea - a cross between "retraction watch" and "regret the error" but for journal titles (TA and OA) that pull stupid journal tricks.. I'm in. Can we do it as a blog? Start with some overall "here's the problem" and add new examples as they arise?
- barbara fister
"Stupid Journal Tricks" gets my vote for title.
- Grumpator
we're trying to wrest the P-word away from Beall, though.
- RepoRat
How about a blog titled Annals of Predatory Publishing Practices?
- barbara fister
Just call it APEX ;) (Adumbrations of Predation Experience)
- Pete #TeamMonique
(So many of our students pronounce it "Anal.")
- barbara fister
Whatever we call it, it needs to have an awesome TLA or FLA.
- Yo Joe. No, go slow.
Don't we have LSW hosting somewhere with a WPMU installation? (Was it Josh Neff's baby?) Could we just do a WP installation there. I would be happy to do legwork if someone wants to give me the carkeys to the site...
- Kathryn is Blake in Hindi
I have been holding out hope for "Aliens vs Predatory Journals".
- Andy
^^^^^^^^ I endorse this.
- RepoRat
(rolls sleeves up) I'm in. Bit of a techno-dolt, but will contribute labor.
- barbara fister
And honestly? the sooner the better. The guy made page A1 of the New York Times for cripes sake. There needs to be a credible alternative.
- barbara fister
Imma wait to hear back from Sarah. I'd like this to have organizational backing beyond the LSW. After that, though, I'm totally in.
- RepoRat
Where I *can* help--down the road: If there's a reputable site with reputable, transparent criteria and reputable postings, I'll certainly promote it as a reputable way to look at publisher problems. As opposed to the disreputable way, only suitable for True Beallievers.
- Walt Crawford
I'm excited about this - and yes, willing to wait and see if there's other interest out there for org. backing.
- barbara fister
why we do this. go!
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student just called me to thank me for not letting her give up on my class and for believing in her. you are welcome, student, go out there and kick some ass
- maʀtha
I get to talk to faculty from all over campus about really neat stuff
- DJF
Because I couldn't help it. Lucky me.
- Marianne
showing students the Perry-Castañeda Library Map Collection to help them find changes in Colorado River's topography before & after the Hoover Dam … so they can build an infographic depicting same. Then showing same students how to search America: History & Life by time period to find articles about CO river between 1920-1940.
- $tephanie•Cog$ciLibrarian
which is to say, giving students what they need, when they need it. and having them turn info. into something amazing.
- $tephanie•Cog$ciLibrarian
Having people already ask if we are doing a summer reading program because they enjoy it THAT MUCH!
- Running Slow
Student emails to ask if they should accept an interview because they can do some of the database things but not all of them. I say #fuckyeahbuttercup. Student goes to interview next week. :)
- RepoRat
Providing and maintaining the technological tools that help people to achieve excellence in their work. I do not have all the time to do all the cool things, and I wish I had more time to teach how to better use the tools to achieve even more excellence.
- Julian
Because what students can learn to do in libraries might help them CHANGE THE WORLD! (In a good way, we hope...)
- barbara fister
Thank you note from student who successfully got into grad school because of our help.
- GretelSK
Student tells me that the bit of my lecture about how to troubleshoot wifi made her 10 year old PAUSE AT PLAYING MINECRAFT while he listened to it and then told his mum she was really cool and clever to be studying the subject she is...
- Kathryn is Blake in Hindi
I get to help people. I love it when people stop by to tell me they found a job.
- Andy
What is your primary personal computer? That is, the computer you use the most outside of work, not owned by your employer
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13" MacBook Pro.
- RepoRat
I've been limping along with an iPad and a keyboard and it is getting old. Before that, I had a netbook.
- maʀtha
HP TouchSmart tx2. I wouldn't recommend it.
- John (bird whisperer)
Since my lovely Dell died, I am using HP laptop. Don't remember model. Like it okay. Miss my Dell. Got a refurb Dell, but I need to add a bunch to it before it could be primary, and screen brightness is not good. I also have iPad, but use it only for some things.
- Louise "Weezy" Alcorn
thinkpad x220 12"
- kendrak
My iPhone.
- laura x
These days, it's my iPad. But soon to be a Macbook Air.
- Running Slow
are you getting an 11" or 13" Air?
- maʀtha
Asus Netbook - going on 3 years!
- Lily
13" Mac book pro
- Mary Carmen
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A 5-year-old Gateway notebook, Core 2 Duo 1.6GHz CPU. But mostly the 8-year-old Sony 19" LCD display and even older Microsoft wireless Natural keyboard and mouse, since the Gateway mostly sits off to the right as a secondary screen.
- Walt Crawford
in order: mac book pro 15" (6 mos old), iMac 27" (2010 model?), gateway i5 windows laptop 15", ... mbp goes with me everywhere. also have ipad 2, kindle fire, samsung note, which all get used in specific situations.
- henry
MacBook Pro and iPad
- ~Courtney F
HP Pavilion
- Greg GuitarBuster
MacBook (not Pro) (13-inch Early 2008) (my sister's, then my nephew's, now mine), hooked up to my old desktop's 15" flat planel monitor. I got it when the desktop could no longer be updated because it's not an Intel box.
- Betsy #TeamMonique
13" Air.
- kaijsa
13" Mac book pro
- Chelle Chelle Ro Ro
Samsung netbook.
- LB: #TeamMonique
I've been using an Asus netbook for the last 2-3 years. Just got a hand-me-down Toshiba laptop that feels like the Enterprise computer by comparison.
- Jason P
tossup between iPad and netbook. This summer I;ll be spending quality time with the good old Dell PC though
- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
I probably use the iPad more often than any other computer outside of work, though.
- Jason P
Asus K73E laptop.
- Julian
iPhone; Toshiba Protege Ultrabook
- LibrarianOnTheLoose
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11.1 inch hp pavilion dm1z (the first issue of that model, so it's... almost 3 years old). I hug it and squeeze it and call it buttercup (and it's survived several droppings and at least 2 steppings-on). My 2ndary is Jay's primary, an hp demo model desktop from costco that's about 6 years old.
- Marianne
Metro PCS phone
- Starmama
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15" MacBook Pro. And an iPod Touch.
- Catherine Pellegrino
from iPod
um... I have a 2003 (I think, maybe 2002) Dell... but I haven't used it in ~3 years? (I use my work (2010 lenovo) lappie at home and my work workstation (2012 dell) at work) but my Samsung Note II is what I use when I'm not on work-machines [eta: the kids use the 2003 dell as their primary, tho miss16 now tends to focus on her iPod]
- awd
a dell something?
- ellbeecee
13". Considered a pro, but my iMac is still going strong.
- Running Slow
27" iMac
- Soup in a TARDIS
11 in MBA ...
- Kathryn is Blake in Hindi
I've got a 15" Lenovo laptop I got a good deal on last November. (Though I probably use my iPad more for non-work tasks.)
- Laura H.
Motorola Razr lol. Little Toshiba netbook for editing etc...
- Jason - The Opaque
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Justin's desktop, which he built, so it doesn't have brand specs. Runs windows 7. (I use my work laptop for everything; 13" 2011 MacBook Pro)
- Jenica
A 3.6 Ghz gaming rig I got from iBUYPOWER with a 27" monitor. And the new Chromebook. My fiancee has my iPad these days.
- Andy
Lenovo Ideapad 15.6" laptop
- holly #ravingfangirl
A senior from the college I went to contacted me to talk about library school and career advice. Aside from Lauren Pressley's book, So You Want to Be a Librarian, I'd like to recommend some things to read. Didn't some of you CodFolk write blog posts about what to expect in library school?
Yo Joe. No, go slow. liked this
what about the day in the life project? http://librarydayinthelife.pbworks.com/
- ellbeecee
Oh yeah, this was a good one. http://lj.libraryjournal.com/2013...
- Stephen le Francoeur
http://archive.org/details... ...or maybe not. Seriously, are they interested in any particular aspect? I suspect we could turn up a few people willing to answer, "What's it like being a (fill in the blank) librarian?"
- Rebecca Hedreen
and there's also the Day in the Life project...
- ~Courtney F
This may or may not be useful - made for my "Introduction to Librarianship" unit - "What is a library? What do librarians do? " http://www.youtube.com/watch... . I point my students toward the day in the life project and hack library school blog. (I have lost the ability to capitalize letters, sorry)
- Kathryn is Blake in Hindi
I've heard good things about Marilyn Johnson's "This Book is Overdue" as a starter, though I admit it's still on my own reading list.
- Lily
What's the most polite verb combo for turning down a non-OA writing gig? "Cannot" is untrue. "Will not" sounds petulant. "Choose not to" sounds entitled.
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(ok, maybe not POLITE, but...meh)
- ellbeecee
Maybe expressing as a positive? "I only write for open-access publications" or similar. Leaves the door open to "hey, we're gonna release this OA!"
- RepoRat
"I would prefer not to."
- Stephen le Francoeur
can you work "committed"/"commitment" in there somehow? "I am committed to writing only for open-access publications"?
- Catherine Pellegrino
or just "don't": "I don't write for publications that don't permit some degree of open access."
- Catherine Pellegrino
Yeah, I think it's some form of "I have committed to... and therefore am currently unable to..." with a side of "if X implements a more OA-friendly blah blah, I'd be happy to reconsider" (if that's true)
- Rachel Walden
I think RR gets it in one, although you might want to add "articles" to that--"I only write articles for open access journals." Or what Catherine says (but do you feel the same about books?)
- Walt Crawford
*regrets making Bartleby the Scrivener allusion, which sank like a lead ballon*
- Stephen le Francoeur
I liked it, Stephen.
- Meg V. Meg
"i have committed to only write/review/sit on editorial boards of open access publications" is my standard line.
- jambina
MWAH MWAH MWAH you guys are the best.
- Meg V. Meg
Unfortunately, I am not able to accept this post/position at this time. Blah, blah, blah.
- Yo Joe. No, go slow.
though i have to say, i like lbc's - something like SUKKIT! OA4LIFE!
- jambina
I just sent one of those today for an invitation to write something for a T&F encyclopedia of our profession. I wrote "I have pledged to only publish in open access venues in so far as it is possible, and so I am declining this invitation. Quite honestly, my time would be more usefully spent improving a Wikipedia article on this topic."
- barbara fister
Crabby, much?
- barbara fister
I'm kind of in favor of making T&F's life less pleasant, as well as those who continue to donate labor to T&F. If that makes me crabby, I'm in damn good company!
- RepoRat
i love you barbara fister
- jambina
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- Andy
While I appreciate the offer, at present blah blah blah--see my blog post commitment etc etc. :)
- Hedgehog
Claim to be too busy.
- Yo Joe. No, go slow.
After reading more of the thread--Yes, do tell them that you would do it if they were OA, or allowed for immediate green OA copies.
- Yo Joe. No, go slow.
In other news, I am on a library advisory board for CRC Library Advistory Board for this summer meeting. I think I will have some things to say about the T&F MotherShip policies.
- Yo Joe. No, go slow.
Need to figure out how to use the line "Quite honestly, my time would be more usefully spent improving a Wikipedia article on this topic" somewhere.
- Yo Joe. No, go slow.
Oh yes, this was almost a year ago, I have long since responded :)
- Meg V. Meg
This is the money quote: "Quite honestly, my time would be more usefully spent improving a Wikipedia article on this topic" thank you
- awd
Ahhh, that BF revived it with her money quote.
- Yo Joe. No, go slow.
Oh, how funny! I didn't realize I'm joining a conversation started LAST May. How'd that happen?
- barbara fister
Argh, there's a Wikipedia article I promised to improve for someone a couple of months ago....
- Deborah Fitchett
It accidentally got bumped because I linked to it in the new thread about the OA TandF issue (http://ff.im/1ffYLP) because this old thread was where I had asked you guys how to respond when they asked me to write something for that very issue.
- Meg V. Meg
Well I'm glad it did, because it was fun to share my off-the-cuff email that was sent just this morning. Love me some serendipity.
- barbara fister
I don't mind chiming in on an old thread... I'd include the phrase "in good conscience" ;)
- Tinfoil 2.0
(I missed this one the first time :) Just reinforces why I want to be BF when I grow up )
- Kathryn is Blake in Hindi
Could library databases stop having such grandiose names? "OmniFile", or "Something Search Premier", or "OneFile Gold Complete" or "World of Knowledge of the Globe" or whatever.
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and could they all stop having "academic" in the name? LexisNexis Academic, Academic Search Complete, Academic Onefile. How are the students supposed to tell them apart?!
- $tephanie•Cog$ciLibrarian
How about "The Little Database That Could"? "Academic Search Good Enough"? "Satisfice Search"?
- Catherine Pellegrino
"Satisfice Search", yes! Or "Just Enough Fulltext for 3am Database".
- Amandadon't
Oh! Or "The Paper's Due Tomorrow Database," or "For Undergrads Only Search Xtreme"
- Catherine Pellegrino
"Git Yer LitCrit Here!" or "All Theory, All The Time" would help my students.
- kaijsa
I'm going to recommend some of these for our branding if we ever get a discovery layer :) I like "Satisfice Search" and "Just Enough Fulltext for 3am Database" best, I think :)
- ~Courtney F
"The Database That Isn't JSTOR"
- MontglaneChess
SuperUltraMegaGinormousExtraAcademicDatabase+
- Yo Joe. No, go slow.
Google. ;)
- ellbeecee
"Get your articles here with the data sliced and diced the way you want it--you know, that marketing data with demographics by county, city, zipcode and by age, gender, sexual orientation, occupation, and brand preference of soda or other beverage."
- Yo Joe. No, go slow.
Mediocrity with Full Text
- JffKrlsn
the data #joe's student wants ... from the 19th century. Online. Via Google.
- $tephanie•Cog$ciLibrarian
MegaSearch JazzHands
- Meg V. Meg
Gamera Index Retrospective
- Meg V. Meg
It's all about jamming two words together with the cap in the middle. Maybe we need to brand ourselves as the LiBrary. What does that mean? It means whatever we want to mean!
- Larry Schwartz
This is what we need - https://twitter.com/mreidsm...
- barbara fister
Pop stars! You name ones aimed at undergrads after the youngest popstars: Justin Beiber Source Premier. Grad students, slightly older: Beyonce Academic. Pre-Tenure, a bit older: Courtney Love Abstracts. Full profs, classic rock city: Web of Kiss. (Please excuse my lack of knowledge of pop stars under 50...)
- John Dupuis
I love so much of this. The ideal would probably just be called "Articles." That's what the Apple app would be called, anyway.
- Steele Lawman
iJrnls
- RepoRat
iAcademic LiBrary GaMera Plus Premier Edition
- Kathryn is Blake in Hindi
What is the thing at your job that you are best at and proudest of?
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I'm usually fearless about trying new things; technology, services, programs, etc. The worst that can happen is failure, but there is always a lesson in that too.
- Running Slow
I guess... doing stuff that's a bit different. And acting on equal terms with academics.
- Pete #TeamMonique
The varied ways my students are using things I taught them to change the world and the profession for the better.
- RepoRat
I am exceptionally good at talking to--or rather listening to--patrons with mental health problems. Your delusional, your anxious, your paranoid--bring them to me, give me some time, and we won't have to call the cops.
- laura x
Helping a wide array of people learn a wide array of things.
- Marianne
Running classes that are more spontaneous and conversational rather than overly-scripted.
- Steele Lawman
Getting things done.
- SteVe C
I am really good at translating concepts into, and out of, the language of science/technology/computers. So I love to do research consultations about, like, the polar equations of Gothic cathedral windows, or analog methods of systematically capturing human movement, when people are like, "You are the first person who understands what I'm talking about, and does not think I am crazy."
- Meg V. Meg
I'm really good at being a liaison from my library to departments and groups on campus where no conversations are happening at all (but should be), especially making that essential first attempt at outreach.
- Lily
I'm really good at getting the babies to laugh
- Jason - The Opaque
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That I am respected and my projects and ideas are given the green light more often than not.
- LibrarianOnTheLoose
Being a change agent and helping staff push the envelope on service to children.
- Marge LW
Giving people confidence.
- Andy
Reference. Not just finding stuff, but connecting with patrons on an individual basis.
- maʀtha
Conceptualizing new spaces, managing projects, and wearing heels.
- Kathy
I like our anarchist organizational style. I'm good at anarchy and mutual aid.
- barbara fister
I...am really not sure. I'm good at lots of things, but best at? I have no idea. I'll have to think about this.
- Catherine Pellegrino
Figuring out doable solutions to problems and talking people into mascot costumes.
- Heather
Connecting and working with people who don't seem to know all of the resources available to them and making them comfortable in using them.
- Derrick
product and process design for transportation vertical :)-
- Peter Dawson
Been informed about what the rest of the library world is doing and bringing in new stuff which succeeds more often than not. I am particularly proud of the chat reference service, I know other libraries has had it for a decade but still proud of managing to get it adopted widely here and the compliments it brings in daily.
- aarontay
Containing the damage from intra-staff blood feuds.
- Mark Kille
I try really hard to support my colleagues, especially newer folks, and I think/hope they find it beneficial. I'm a good project manager, too.
- Rachel Walden
I put together meaningful worship services and preach good sermons (usually).
- Friar Ticket to Ride
Hard to say. I *am* pretty awesome.
- Chris Z.
translating between arcane library jargon and human patron language (i.e., LCSH to "tags")
- $tephanie•Cog$ciLibrarian
organizing internal documentation and working with vendors. They drive everyone else crazy, but I've come to find a certain amount of zen with them all (random hair-tearing events aside).
- MontglaneChess
Being a partner with staff to provide efficient and effective solutions, and accomplish goals. Other than that... knowing how to install an operating system onto any kind of computer?
- Julian
Pushing information to faculty who had no idea that the information existed, or that anyone cared that it existed.
- Larry Schwartz
Building relationships with faculty; seeing across library silos to where we can make improvements in services or communications
- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Designing assessments that prepare students for the real world AND teach them how to think critically and express themselves in academic discourse AND have very clear expectations AND are easy to submit and to mark.
- Kathryn is Blake in Hindi
Wow. I want to do all of this ^^^^
- maʀtha
Librarian Challenge: I'm going to look this up in APA now, but do any of you know offhand how to cite a database result, in any style?
Specifically, prof ran a search in Web of Science, and wants to cite that very specific search result.
- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
looks like web of science search URLs are durable; does that mean he can cite this like an webpage?
- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
as well as the query?
- kendrak
The URL might be durable but the results won't be as more items are added. Depending why he's citing it, might be best to do it as a screenshot.
- Deborah Fitchett
he definitely needs the screenshot, and date of access. The Head of the Writing Center and I came up with three options: webpage, Work from a database, or just cite the database, and describe the search....
- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
also, yikes! one person, 4000 cites in WoS!!
- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
It seems to me that I've seen the query described in the text in exact enough terms that it could be duplicated, with a date, but that the actual results are not cited in the reference list as they are not a permanent reference. Sort of like "personal communications" are referenced in the text but not in the reference list. You could cite the database (vendor, date of access, etc.), especially if it's something that is available from multiple vendors.
- Rebecca Hedreen
Yes, the way that Rebecca mentions is how I have seen it done too. Very interesting though because it is more like experimental results (where you have to just trust that the observer recording acted ethically and is telling the truth about where the "Pingomatic Ping Meter" was sitting) than a reference (that allows a third party to follow the information trail to verify and further research using the same material used by the author).
- Kathryn is Blake in Hindi
are any of you fine people still online on Friday familiar with Dedoose? How different is it from NVIVO?
bumped for Monday...
- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
im interested, too, but don't know anyone who's tried it. the price is definitely right.
- Christina Pikas
I've not looked at it, but have in the past shared with our nvivo person for potential comparison - I don't know that she ever looked at it though
- ellbeecee
you have an Nvivo person?? (I have jealousy! apparently, I am on the road to become the Nvivo person....)
- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Looked at it for my research. Too lazy to check again, but doesn't dedoose rely on being connected to the net?
- Kathryn is Blake in Hindi
Sort of, Rudy. It's a person who's shifting to a data services position come june 1 who's already used nvivo for her research and who will be the contact for training/etc.
- ellbeecee
Dedoose is web-based, with all the good/bad things that may come with that. Otherwise they have mostly the same functionality, although I believe that NVIVO can do a few "advanced things" better. Dedoose is prettier and easier to use.
- Meg V. Meg
Also, dedoose doesn't have institutional licenses (or they didn't when last I checked), but they have a good/interesting price structure ($13/month only for months you login). NVIVO does have licenses, and is really expensive for individual use.
- Meg V. Meg
This is helpful - I haven't looked at this yet! Putting our grad student who teaches NVIVO on it to look at functionality etc.
- Sarah
Dedoose has a "call us" option at 10+ licenses. We haven't called yet. I don't think we can tackle site licenses for either (NVivo quoted us 28K for a site license) but the money we have can go further with Dedoose -- if it's concurrent users, and if any of our qual researchers would use it.
- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
I know many of our folks are also using Concordance (I think?), since it's free. And clunky. I'm guessing they at least would be happy if we offered Dedoose? I hate guessing though.
- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
A couple of people looking at our LibQual comments are using Dedoose. They seem jazzed about it.
- Heather
Thanks Heather! Let me know if you hear more from them?
- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
I recently submitted a co-authored chapter for an ACRL book. The contract arrived today, with this wonderful passage in the email: "This agreement basically allows you to retain copyright. If you would prefer *not* to retain copyright, please let us know and we will send you a different form that allows us to hold copyright of your chapter."
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yup. just agreed to do a DREADED EDITED COLLECTION with them cuz they have great policies AND the whole enchilada will be OA a year afterward
- jambina
Signing that agreement for my chapter was such a pleasure.
- Hedgehog
I was avoiding opening that email. No longer!
- lris
Small glow here ... Back in 2007 I co-authored a chapter for ACRL &, when i received the standard "all your rights are belong to us" contract, gently asked for a contract that allowed us to retain copyright (actually to acknowledge that the material had a Creative Commons license) . They had not had the request before, but were gracious and investigated it for us and that is what we signed.
- Kathryn is Blake in Hindi
The LSW, where the members are handsome, top MLSs, and outfitted in fine woolen suits.
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and enjoying the attention as anti-corporatist heroes.
- Jenica
We're the bastard children of Occupy and Scrooge McDuck
- Pete #TeamMonique
We still need to make the movie.
- Yo Joe. No, go slow.
*preens*
- ellbeecee
My suit itches... just sayin'
- awd
You need to upgrade to a /fine/ wollen suit that won't itch.
- Yo Joe. No, go slow.
... and all the patrons are above average.
- RepoRat
... in their obnoxiousness.
- WebGoddess
I wear cotton duck, but am otherwise onboard.
- Louise "Weezy" Alcorn
Wondering where all the bribes and filthy corporate lucre are.
- John Dupuis
is this where i put in my request for an in-office cappuccino machine?
- Marie
Yes.
- Yo Joe. No, go slow.
But I have none of the above. Can I just fake it with a tuxedo tee shirt?
- Julian
Why, Julian, you are quite handsome, and you have moar brainz than lotsa MLSers out there.
- Yo Joe. No, go slow.
I was just looking at the Cindi pics the other day and you look fantastic
- maʀtha
The "wool suit" meme isn't new for this group. "In a wool suit, nicely accessorized, sitting in the boardroom of the Hughes Main Library, she looks every bit the librarian she is." Greenville librarian says decision to ban graphic novel wasn't made lightly: http://www.greenvilleonline.com/article...
- Andy
Off to bake me some LSW buttermilk biscuits ...
- Kathryn is Blake in Hindi
I'm wearing a middling half-wool sweater. Also, comfy shoes.
- $tephanie•Cog$ciLibrarian
Stupid question for speakers who use PPT: Do you normally present using the Presenter View? (That is: slideshow on the projector, slides+notes+controls on the notebook.) [I haven't done PPT in a while...but will be doing it several times next month.]
Disappearing shortly for farmers' market & grocery shopping & lunch; back in three hours or so... I hope the answer is "of course"...
- Walt Crawford
Sometimes. Sometimes I also just use a PDF of the slides and scroll through that.
- John Dupuis
I thought nearly all Windows notebooks supported dual monitors, one of which is the screen--my cheap old Gateway certainly does (it's built into Windows Vista and 7 and, AFAIK, 8). Thus my question: Is this typical? (I'm using a borrowed notebook during the conference...)
- Walt Crawford
I use presenter view quite a bit, yes. Clock, notes, current slide, next slide does it for me.
- RepoRat
I think using it would be great, and having a back-up plan would be important.
- lris
OK, I wasn't QUITE gone yet. But will be now. For a while.
- Walt Crawford
Since I'm usually presenting on someone else's computer I've started just presenting from PDF. Ppt is bad at versioning.
- Marie
Um. No because I forgot it existed. I just have the slides up #amateur
- Christina Pikas
from iPhone
I usually present from PDF as well: most robust against setups outside my control.
- Heather Piwowar
I always use speaker view, but often use it on my ipad instead of on a second monitor - essentially running the preso separately but simultaneously on the projection and my ipad.
- Jenica
Thanks. All helpful. I didn't know it existed (when I did the IL talk last September) and think it would be a lot smoother than holding my printed notes. But I will, of course, have a printed version just in case. And maybe a double-protection PDF version, although my PPT will be so vanilla--no transitions, no video, no nothing--that it should be easy.
- Walt Crawford
That sounds like my plan B setup, Walt. Plan A is always presenter mode, although I do it with keynote on my MacBook, using an iPad with Keynote Remote as a remote control.
- Jason Griffey
from iPhone
Fwiw, the reason for iPad as remote is that it lets you see your notes as you roam around.
- Jason Griffey
from iPhone
Which makes sense...if you have an iPad, which I don't. Nor do I expect to roam around a lot, at least not in the two shorter presentations.
- Walt Crawford
AND: What I've found now that I've gone to adding notes to slides--instead of maintaining a separate Word document--is that it's going MUCH more smoothly, at least for OA. I was going nuts trying to coordinate, and stalling as a result. So, really, thanks a lot--I think I'll wind up with a much better and more fluid/open precon.
- Walt Crawford
[For the two shorter presentations, both already written, I'll move all the notes from Word into the PPT slides, then print off a copy just to be safe. Also much easier...] I will, to be sure, have both .ppt and .pptx versions on the flash drive, along with .pdf fallback. And maybe a second flash drive or Dropbox copies.
- Walt Crawford
Nope. Never. I build my talk as I build my slide set and practice what I will say for each slide as I go. Then talk it out loud advancing slides all the way through to time several,several times.. BUT I use a LOT of slides in each preso and do a kind of modified Lessig-style (claiming the style, not the brilliance) where many slides have single words displayed just as I speak the word.
- Kathryn is Blake in Hindi
Thoroughly enjoyed the final product from Kathryn's cross-conference Q&A with emerging and current librarians: http://www.librariansmatter.com/blog.... Great stuff.
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Thank you :). Clever and engaged participants were clever and engaged. Love it that on the same day David Lankes published his piece about how we should promote conversations :)
- Kathryn is Blake in Hindi
It was interesting but was amused at answers about the type of librarians they would hire. I know it's a wish list and no one is really expected to have it all but if you really tried to meet them I think would require the combined talents of several library rock stars & movers/shakers (the real ones) to equal. Reminds me of my own institutions job ad for a entry level position, if I took that at face value i doubt I or any of my colleagues would qualify. :)
- aarontay
Lately I've been trying to figure out where to submit the article I've been working on for the last year and a bit, and suddenly I have a lot more sympathy for some of the things faculty do and the choices they make. I've identified five potential journals whose scopes match the topic of the article to a greater or lesser degree:
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Journal A is from Taylor & Francis. I can pay them several thousand dollars I don't have to make the article OA, or I can put it in an IR (which I also don't have) or a subject repo (which I could do). They strongly urge me to transfer my copyright, but don't appear to absolutely require it.
- Catherine Pellegrino
Journal B is from Springer. I can pay them several thousand dollars I don't have to make the article OA, or I can put it in an IR (also don't have) or self-archive it, but only after a 12-month embargo. They appear to require me to transfer my copyright.
- Catherine Pellegrino
Journal C is from Elsevier. I've signed on to Cost of Knowledge, so that's a no-go.
- Catherine Pellegrino
Journal D appears to be published by a scholarly society of sorts. They say the initial review process takes 5 months. My tenure portfolio is due Oct. 1 and the article isn't precisely finished yet, so that's a no-go. They also require me to transfer my copyright.
- Catherine Pellegrino
Journal E is also published by a scholarly society and has a 17% acceptance rate. Yeaaaaaah, no.
- Catherine Pellegrino
Given the choices, it's no surprise faculty do what they do. (None of these are LIS journals, by the way.)
- Catherine Pellegrino
Catherine, thanks for taking the time to spell out this concrete example. So useful for demonstrating the problem. (is your article a sort where the "what about PLOS ONE" question would be relevant?)
- Heather Piwowar
Thanks, Heather, but no - it's at the intersection of ed-psych, LIS, and distance-ed/online-learning. I'll probably wind up submitting it to an LIS journal of some sort (one possible candidate is another T&F title, sigh). Mostly, though, it just makes me feel hemmed in and panicky.
- Catherine Pellegrino
Yeah, I hear you. :(
- Heather Piwowar
Yes, I agree with Heather - thanks for sharing this. It helps those of us who talk to faculty about these issues to better understand! But sorry that it's frustrating for you.
- Sarah
Thanks, Sarah - it's eye-opening to me, too, because most of the time I'm on the other side of this transaction, wondering why faculty make the (apparently stupid and short-sighted) decisions that they do. Now that I'm temporarily seeing it through their eyes, it makes a lot more sense. It also reminds me a lot of, I can't remember the specific economic term, but it's the phenomenon...
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- Catherine Pellegrino
Also thanks here: I'm tagging this as background material for my April OA precon, as this is a GREAT example of the legitimate difficulties/issues in OA on the ground.
- Walt Crawford
[When I say background: I won't point to it directly, but will mention the situation as a real-world issue. One I frankly had sort of skimmed over...]
- Walt Crawford
This is brilliant and fascinating. (Also, totally frustrating for you.) A very good eye-opener. Reality checks are awesome.
- Jenica
Walt, you can point to it directly if you want; I posted it in a public forum. And Heather, Sarah, anyone else: if using this material, either quoting it or paraphrasing it or whatever, would help you in communicating with various communities, by all means please do so.
- Catherine Pellegrino
Thanks for sharing this, Catherine. Have you considered using the Scholar's Copyright Addendum engine from science commons, maybe with the T&F journals? The Access-Reuse version would help you keep most of your rights. From what I've heard, worst case scenario is that they just don't agree to it, and then you're back where you started. But if they accept it, that would be an improvement.
- Grumpator
I'm intrigued by this, I think, because it never occurred to me to do a blind walkthrough approximating the user experience of the process in re: publishing/OA. I did that with a Kindle recently, trying to see what the user experience of ebooks in libraries is like, and i do it with other library services/spaces, but this one never occurred to me. Blind spot.
- Jenica
Your specific case will be really helpful for me in talking to my subject faculty, Catherine. Thank you for sharing it. I know it's not nice to ask people to do more work, but if you plan on writing up this scenario on your blog, it sure would be a great resource to point to. Also, I'd love to hear where you finally decide to publish, partly because I want to read the article, and partly to find out the ending to the story.
- kaijsa
Thanks, Kaijsa, I hadn't thought about writing it up on my blog, but maybe I will...maybe not until the article gets accepted, or something, I'm not sure. I'll look into the Scholar's Copyright Addendum, since right now it's looking like the top choice, both in terms of scope and in terms of OA possibilities, is Journal A, the Taylor & Francis imprint. That way, if they reject the...
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- Catherine Pellegrino
in my experience most journals accept the SPARC addendum...
- jambina
this is great. it illustrates my long-held belief that librarians should (try to) do things that the facultys do - both so we have credibility with them ("oh, I know how hard it is to figure out where to publish! let me show you some helpful tools…") and so we have some familiarity with their struggles ("yeah, grading is the worst!")
- $tephanie•Cog$ciLibrarian
OK; I may link to the thread in supplemental materials/links (which, presumably, only a few dozen or few score Oregon and Washington librarians will see)--in any case, it's a great case study.
- Walt Crawford
May I just suggest E-LIS as a subject repositiry of choice ? http://eprints.rclis.org/
- marlene
Hemen Dutta is constantly emailing about opportunities to publish in IRSSH: "Dear Readers/Researchers/Professor, It is our pleasure to invite you to read the following journal. You may also submit your valuable research paper, if any for publication in the following peer-reviewed international journal which is indexed and abstracted/abstracted/archived in many world reputed databases....
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- Steele Lawman
Yes! I have had the same pain as a newly- minted academic. Add to this however that often Jane Academic is not looking through OA/ rights lens but if she is anything like me has an annual review with Head of Dept with target set to publish x articles in journals "of y quality/reputation". Here in Australia with RDA there is an actual LIST of journals each discipline (accepts?) (bureaucratically haggled?) as "quality".
- Kathryn is Blake in Hindi
from iPhone
You'll have to authenticate before I give you access. #LibrarianValentine
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I'm glad I brought my library card because I am checkin' you out. #LibrarianValentine #OldJoke
- Steele Lawman
Oooh, you'd better control your vocabulary
- maʀtha
As well as your bibliographic control and your authority control.
- Yo Joe. No, go slow.
Dear internet, We love Marie. Please send more. XOXO
- laura x
I'd like to apply for the adult services position. #LibrarianValentine
- Steele Lawman
Wanna come to some adult programming with me? #LibrarianValentine
- WebGoddess
Hey, baby, I sure hope you're open access.
- Jason P
Adult services position! *dies laughing*
- Amandadon't
If you sign my license, I promise no simultaneous checkouts. #LibrarianValentine
- Steele Lawman
No matter how much you've circulated in the past, you are still a new release to me. #LibrarianValentine
- Steele Lawman
Hey, there. You're gorgeous enough to be a data-lifecycle model. #LibrarianValentine
- RepoRat
I get Dewey eyed when I look at you
- Kathryn is Blake in Hindi
You and I have a date due.
- Steele Lawman
Putting you back on the reserve shelf.
- RepoRat
You're in the weed pile.
- ellbeecee
The term GIRLFRIEND is not used in this relationship; see EX-GIRLFRIEND
- Steele Lawman
My feelings for you have been recalled.
- Steele Lawman
I didn't get a master's degree to put up with your shit.
- Steele Lawman
[I dare someone to use the words circulate and withdraw]
- maʀtha
Do you circulate seed? And how may i go about making a withdrawal?
- Jason - The Opaque
from Android
Too much ?
- Jason - The Opaque
from Android
heh heh heh.
- maʀtha
Looks like you're headed for the Friends sale.
- RepoRat
^^^ LOL
- Steele Lawman
Zotero-teaching-folks: do you separate your Zotero accounts into one for research, one for teaching? I'm afraid of confusing my own research stuff with the random nonsense I download during demos, but can't seem to keep two different accounts straight. (Am I over-thinking this?)
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Can you use libraries to separate them? Like folders?
- Kathryn is Blake in Hindi
we've got a reference account setup that we use for demonstrating purposes so that we can have random junk in it and then one for personal use.
- Sir Shuping is just sir
I created a teaching account that I use only for classroom demos.
- Jason P
The install on our teaching station is not synced to anything.
- Meg V. Meg
Ooh, I like the idea of a shared reference account. I want to experiment with Zotfile and other mobile device doohickeys, so I end up half using personal accounts to sync things up and half using work accounts. I have terrible habits -- separate libraries might be the best way to go, for me. ETA: collections, not libraries. I don't see a way to create wholly separate libraries.
- Amandadon't
I use a separate account for teaching as well.
- Jen
I'm a total exhibitionist. I use my own, create a file, show how to save and squirrel away items, then wonder why I have a biology file weeks later.
- barbara fister
I used to use my personal account, but it was taking wayyyy too long to sync in the classroom.
- Jason P
Actually, I embraced my inner exhibitionist yesterday and showed some of my personal collections, which I think worked well. I somehow feel like it's easier for me to keep my accounts separate in the standalone version than the Firefox version. I spent too much time on the iPad/Zotfile stuff, though, and should have probably focused more on Zotero Groups, so I had all that angst about accounts and mobile sync for nothin'.
- Amandadon't
Hi folks: The Chronicle is reprising a feature we did last year on higher-ed innovators--people who have come up with a solution to a persistent problem or who are influencing others in their field in a notable way. I'd very much like to see someone from the academic-library world on the list and would welcome suggestions. --Jen
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JENICA ROGERS please and thank you. :) Lemme keep thinking; I know there are others.
- RepoRat
Seconding Jenica; I'd also recommend Alison Head and Project Information Literacy (http://www.projectinfolit.org/) for their groundbreaking ethnographic research on the actual research behaviors of actual students.
- Catherine Pellegrino
Jenica is high on my list; the difficulty is that we did a story featuring her not long ago, and we're trying not to repeat ourselves in this package. But some of the best candidates are people we have already written about.
- Jennifer Howard
Amy Buckland
- Kathryn is Blake in Hindi
Jenica Rogers, Amy Buckland, Colleen Harris, Mary Carmen, Laura Botts, Abigail Gobens
- Sir Shuping is just sir
Nancy Sims http://blog.lib.umn.edu/copyrig...
- Meg V. Meg
Char Booth http://infomational.wordpress.com/
- Meg V. Meg
I'd like to recommend my colleague Art Rhyno. He's been working with the World Bank in a project that uses Open Access OCR. To do so, he uses Hadoop, Tesseract, and idle library computers. His Access 2012 talk on the subject can be found here: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- copystar
also, Bess Saddler : http://www.ibiblio.org/bess/
- copystar
Karen Coyle http://kcoyle.blogspot.com/
- Meg V. Meg
+1 Karen Coyle
- kendrak
Bess Sadler would be GREAT. Diane Hillmann and Karen Coyle would make an interesting paired portrait.
- RepoRat
Library Administrators Who Get Shit Did (besides Jenica): Paul Courant (nice, since he's retiring) and John Wilkin. Robert Darnton, though he's, um, controversial.
- RepoRat
Michael Witt and Jake Carlson (Purdue), research-data management.
- RepoRat
(thanks for asking!!)
- $tephanie•Cog$ciLibrarian
CHAR BOOTH
- jambina
+!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CHAR BOOTH
- kendrak
Bethany Nowviskie
- Jaclyn aka spamgirl
Mal Booth is Australia at University of Technology Sydney
- Kathryn is Blake in Hindi
Not a librarian, but a friend of librarians, Stuart M. Shieber, also at Harvard.
- Yo Joe. No, go slow.
Another non-librarian Peter Suber.
- Yo Joe. No, go slow.
We could also add in Heather Joseph of SPARC ARL or Heather Piwowar working on the ImpactStory Technology.
- Yo Joe. No, go slow.
Want to second Alison Head. That PIL research is awesome and on a much bigger scale than similar research. And useful to all of higher Ed.
- barbara fister
from iPhone
These are great suggestions--thank you all. A colleague was asking me whether anybody's done fabulous things lately with demand-driven acquisition or discoverability (one of those words that's hard to pin down and I hate to use it at all).
- Jennifer Howard
Demand-driven acquisition tends to be a decision that the entire library has to make, so I'm not sure you'll find (m)any individual standouts. As for discoverability, we continue our trend of handing it over to vendors... but you might hit up Aaron Schmidt to see if he can rec anybody in academic libraries being generally awesome about UI/UX.
- RepoRat
Oh, and how'd we all manage to forget Secret Agent Fister?
- RepoRat
Have you ever interviewed anyone from Ontario's Scholars Portal? The level of collaboration is pretty intense on a really wide range of collections & services, from journal database, TDR, virtual reference, a Scholars GeoPortal of GIS data and a whole bunch more.
- John Dupuis
Dave Pattern at the University of Huddersfield is doing interesting work with discovery. http://library.hud.ac.uk/blogs...
- Stephen le Francoeur
My boss, Michael Levine-Clark has a bunch of publications and presos about our library and consortia doing demand driven collection development.
- Yo Joe. No, go slow.
Also Jason Griffey for the LibraryBox - http://jasongriffey.net/library...
- ωαřмaiden ❤Marrit Woman❤
Oh! Duh! *The* UI/UX deity in academic libraries is Matthew Reidsma. I love his stuff.
- RepoRat
Besides Dave Pattern, on the discovery front, I would say Paul Hagon for his work on Trove.
- aarontay
Might look at the code4lib presos from this week for discoverability backend stuff. What Corey Harper at NYU is doing or UCSD
- Hedgehog
SUNY has an Open textbooks project starting up - I believe Cyril Oberlander is one of the PIs. That and his earlier work with the IDS service has been well-received in upstate New York, especially among the smaller colleges.
- Elizabeth Brown
Wanted to secod Ontario's Scholars Portal - they are also working on discoverability via their recommendation engine (SPLURGE).
- Marianne
Trove is uh-mazing. My brain isn't quite working (need lunch) but for "discoverability" would you also want to think about archivists, like ArchivesSpace and Mark Matienzo? Opening up access to the cultural objects / primary sources in academic archives, that sort of thing.
- Amandadon't
just been to a very, very well researched and argued paper about Hipster Librarians. Not lightweight & lots of useful work in it. anyone have an idea of a journal title I can point the author toward? Thought of Jnl Creative Librarianship, but think not.
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I'd love to see that paper. Pls reconsider JCL?
- Marie
Just did not seem to be in the scope of sharing great in library ideas ...Was carefully looking at definitions of hipsters, NYT article, where to since then for Hipster Librarians ... With a large section (unpresented due to time limits) on acid wash jeans.
- Kathryn is Blake in Hindi
Maybe one of the popular culture studies journals?
- Lisa Hinchliffe
only boo, the Journal of Popular Culture is a Blackwell publication now. How about something OA? (I would also love having it in J Creative Lib Practice ... i need to practice if I'm ever going to be hip.)
- barbara fister
wd you editor type peeps consider it? If so, I will point her your way
- Kathryn is Blake in Hindi
Whaddya say? I think research is a creative library practice (and we do peer review if that's helpful for the author). There's also this thing outta Berkeley I know nothing about ... maybe more traditional but still OA. http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~caforu...
- barbara fister
Acid. Wash. Jeans. ?.
- Steele Lawman
The holes in my jeans are come by honestly.
- barbara fister
not sure if it fits the two goals in the title, but maybe Library Philosophy and Practice? http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/libphil...
- $tephanie•Cog$ciLibrarian
JCL? Could someone direct me to where this journal lives? This is the first I've heard of it, and my Google-fu is lacking.
- Royce's favorite Anna
Thanks, Marie!
- Royce's favorite Anna
thank you so very much for these suggestions. I have passed them on and hope that Romany will submit her article somewhere :)
- Kathryn is Blake in Hindi
According to the Cheerleader, her art teacher told her that if students in her class base their rural landscape painting on a photo from the internet (they do have to have a photo of the scene), it is plagiarism and can't be entered in the art competition, but she can use a photo that, say, her mom took. Does this make sense to anyone?
uh... no.
- RepoRat
her art teacher has a poor concept of plagiarism. i used photos from magazines, friends, etc. all of the time for inspiration and creating works and entered them into competitions and what not. if she was a photorealist painter, perhaps it could be construed as plagiarism, but not at that age...
- Sir Shuping is just sir
No. That's just wrong.
- Walt Crawford
Reminds me of the whole Obama HOPE poster thing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...) -- they're probably worried about the original photographer wanting credit, as happened in that case.
- Jennifer Dittrich
It doesn't to me. She wants to use a picture I took which, technically, is on the internet since I uploaded it to Flickr. She has my permission, obviously. I told her to tell her teacher that I'm more than happy to sign a note stating this. I also told her that he doesn't understand plagiarism or copyright very well and that I'd be happy to tell him more about it. :)
- Katy S
Oh, yeah, that's weird. (I more meant that it reminded me of the confusion that a lot of people had with that, not as a comment on actual law.)
- Jennifer Dittrich
I just keep thinking about the gross misunderstanding his students now have about this. I am not pleased.
- Katy S
The technical term for this is a "derivative work".
- Brian Johns
Brian- Exactly, and the creative commons license I have on it allows for that anyway, so she really doesn't need any more permission than that.
- Katy S
Unless it's transformative. Also, whut? She has the permission and still ... whut??
- barbara fister
Well, I don't know if he knows she has permission yet, but if she's relaying the info correctly, he's allowed no room for public domain works. Basically, for him, painting based on photo on internet = instant plagiarism.
- Katy S
I've never heard an art teacher have that bad of a concept of what's allowed and not allowed. its like he didn't study art history at all.
- Sir Shuping is just sir
I just hope that kids these days know how to properly search for images. There's more than Google and Bing.
- Julian
I really hope he corrects what he said, because limiting art like that is crazy.
- Heather
It's also limiting in the sense that not all kids have the ability to get to a rural area to take a picture of their own. This is not a school in a rural community. But that's another issue.
- Katy S
I think there can be a copyright issue if it's just a straight copy of a photo without the photo owner's permission and if the work is sold. But since she has your permission there wouldn't be a legal problem. There also wouldn't be a legal problem with something in the public domain that happens to be on the internet. I think he ought to reconsider.
- John (bird whisperer)
I keep thinking that if the instructions went down as described, that the teacher missed a really great chance to talk about issues of art and reproduction, copyright, ethics, etc., and all the nuances. Of course, the teacher really might not know some of these things, which, while unfortunate, wouldn't surprise me.
- Katy S
copyright violation != plagiarism. legal infringement vs academic integrity violation.
- Kathryn is Blake in Hindi
Andy Warhol would like a word with this teacher.
- Steele Lawman
If he is unable to turn in his grave, I would gladly turn him for effect.
- Julian
just illustrates that teachers aren't perfect
- MiniMage
Also, I don't see why a photo you took would be legally or morally different from one her mom took.
- John (bird whisperer)
Well, I don't think ultimately it will be a problem that I took it. The problem (according to these rules) is that my photos are on the internet (which is a no no) and her mother's photos are not. Regardless, it's a very weird and wrong distinction. Basically, if it's online, it's not an option according to the rules, but he didn't state that the picture couldn't be taken by someone other than the student painting the scene.
- Katy S
jeebus. doing the students a big disservice.
- maʀtha
what to do if Mom is a copyright maximalist? what to do?
- barbara fister
reminds of profs saying "no internet sources" and students think "crap, no JSTOR."
- barbara fister
^Exactly this. You better believe I spent a little time educating the Cheerleader about some finer points of the issue.
- Katy S
EndNote for international collaborators: I have a group of science authors working on the same EndNote document, how do they keep their references synced up? My first guess is that they all share the same EndNote Web account and link CWYW up to that EndNote Web account. Is that the best workflow?
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If they are syncing to EndNote Web, then their EndNote desktop libraries will be the same, and they can just use the normal CWYW. I have never used the EndNote Web version of CWYW, and assume it is crappier, though it could be fine.
- Meg V. Meg
Oh, DUH. Thanks, that makes sense.
- Amandadon't
Oh, though it depends which version of EndNote they're using. EndNote X5+ all have automatic syncing (you no longer move stuff in/out of EndNote Web, like what they misleadingly called "syncing" before). ETA: This is wrong, EndNote X6 is the first version that really syncs, EndNote X5 only "syncs".
- Meg V. Meg
You've answered a question that was still just in my head. I was thinking I'd want to tell them to make sure to upload/download to EN Web in an orderly fashion, and didn't realize X5+ had automatic syncing. Excellent.
- Amandadon't
If they don't want to sync their entire library, or keep up with multiple libraries, they could export citations from the Word document (as a traveling library) while it's being written and periodically dedupe them, though I guess then they wouldn't have access to their collaborators' uncited stuff.
- Meg V. Meg
I say "automatic" though you actually set how often it syncs in your preferences (every 15 minutes is the most frequently). It's still not as instant as Zotero.
- Meg V. Meg
X5 doesn't sync, does it? Just X6, I thought?
- Megan loves summer
Crap, you are right. Time flies when you're having fun, I guess.
- Meg V. Meg
Even without the set-and-forget syncing, though, I think I can just tell them to create a new workflow where at the beginning and end of every research/writing session they sync. I worked with some folks using the traveling library, passing Word Docs around a lab, and they had a lot of trouble with multiple re-saves and corrupted files. No idea if it was the traveling library or something else, but now I have a bit of irrational superstition about that.
- Amandadon't
My EndNote acumen is about 50% irrational superstition. It's the only way to go :) Hm, and now I'm wondering how this will work for groups, in practice, because the synchronization is initiated from the desktop. For example, you can't sync to a second "new" computer (one with an empty EndNote library) unless you transfer the data to it first, because it will just erase everything in your EndNote Web account, as well as everything on the first computer?
- Meg V. Meg
I mean, seriously, wouldn't it just work better to keep your library in Dropbox then?
- Meg V. Meg
I know! At some point in time EndNote recommended against Dropbox, at least their tech support did, but that was a while ago. At the least I think you have to change some preferences and folder locations: http://lists.adeptscience.co.uk/endnote...
- Amandadon't
EndNote with dropbox always corrupted my endnote library that was in 2011, can someone confirm it works now? What settings should we change? I just tossed the whole library there including the folders.
- aarontay
I've never had (or directly heard) about probs with EndNote + DropBox, but I've always advised caution because of the past reports. Agreed, EndNote use requires a lot of superstition. (Log into EndNote Web so that Find Full Text works better on the desktop, wut?) I haven't tested group syncing, but it sounds a little scary. Make sure everyone has backups... Amanda, where are your folks...
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- Megan loves summer
Find full text works better in endnote web? really?
- aarontay
No, they say that "find full text" on the desktop version works better if you're also logged in to EndNote Web. I refuse to try it, because that makes no effing sense, and I don't want to encourage EndNote to do more things that make no sense :)
- Meg V. Meg
Yesterday I finally watched the official tutorial on syncing, in hopes that it would shed some light on the situation: https://www.youtube.com/watch... It's absolutely chockful of these huge, splashy, red, DANGER DANGER DANGER blurbs, containing a million words in tiny text, explaining how whatever they're showing is a really, really bad idea. I almost died laughing. "Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball," indeed.
- Meg V. Meg
Ha! Love it. The red splat is a tasteful image. That will be my brain after trying to explain all this to students and profs. It would've been nice if the narrator (handle: RefLady) could've paused for a moment so that I could read the dire warnings.
- Megan loves summer
But overall, the message seems to be: this sync stuff will work if the user doesn't eff anything up. For the international collaborators, I think it would be ok if they have a good workflow where they collect everything locally and then sync periodically. It will be easier if they can avoid using groups, though. But I still worry about the location of the Word document--network drive, emailed around, something else?
- Megan loves summer
About Dropbox, I am from the Church of Zoteroen, but in our sect Dropbox is taboo because the mysterious syncing powers of the Mighty Dropbox angers Zotero. Zotero Sync is a jealous god that requires just one sync process or one feels the wrath. It can be done, but only by the most knowledgeable in the ways of the Net. I just pay for extended storage through Zotero.
- Kathryn is Blake in Hindi
Ha! "Just one sync process or one feels the wrath." Megan loves summer, you've hit on one of my main concerns: I think this will be a Word doc emailed around, with multiple libraries/versions/madness. I don't know that for sure and am sort of being paranoid-in-advance for this group, but since I've already seen it happen with another group... this is why I was wondering if they...
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- Amandadon't
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh, that's brilliant. Maybe the EndNote Web version of CWYW works really well, unlike I imagine.
- Meg V. Meg
What is one of your favorite iPad apps right now?
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Get me in iPad and I'll let you know. :-)
- Betsy #TeamMonique
Flipboard i guess
- aarontay
Solitaire. I'm kind of a low-end user.
- Chelle Chelle Ro Ro
Instapaper and Evernote (I know, you said one).
- Stephen le Francoeur
generalizing to "tablet apps", evernote is high up there. I should probably use instapaper more.
- DJF
Echofon, but I mainly use it for gaming. So many amazing games. I'll just say World of Goo and leave it at that.
- Andy
Spell Tower. Warning: addictive.
- Jaclyn aka spamgirl
Multiples are welcome! *commences downloading*
- maʀtha
Ooh, games!
- maʀtha
I'm really liking the new Google Docs app -- spreadsheets work much better.
- Royce's favorite Anna
PBS
- Galadriel C.
Goodreads has a nice app.
- Katy S
Also, Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime, and Time Warner Cable, which let me watch TV and movies (the Time Warner Cable app lets me watch live TV when I am at home).
- Stephen le Francoeur
Paper, for drawing and blendable color watercolor-y effects.
- Amandadon't
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Oh! Goodreader -- I like being able to mark up PDF files digitally.
- Royce's favorite Anna
Evernote for recipes as I cook, Remember The Milk, games: Tiny Wings, Mechanarium.
- Kathryn is Blake in Hindi
Temple Run II
- Rochelle's favorite Royce
Dearest LSWers, how would you feel about spies potentially visiting this group? My partner is a (new) prof in a library school, and he will be asking his students this semester to look at online communities where LIS professionals learn from each other. I've suggested LSW as a potential object of study...but I thought it might be polite to ask...
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I'm actually a double agent, but I'm not going to say for whom.
- Stephen le Francoeur
If library-school instructors are a problem, um... there's a problem.
- RepoRat
This place is a rats nest of spies. There's Secret Agent Fister; Lawson, Steve Lawson; "Derrick," and so many more.
- Stephen le Francoeur
The LSW has spies? Oh my.
- Yo Joe. No, go slow.
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Joe, that sounds like something a spy would say.
- Stephen le Francoeur
Not me.
- Yo Joe. No, go slow.
from iPod
Truly a wretched hive of scum and villainy
- Megan loves summer
The perfect environment for doe-eyed students.
- Stephen le Francoeur
well, we don't *always* eat them alive. sometimes we remember to kill them first. eh, Derrick, Lily?
- RepoRat
I'm not a spy. But I play one on tv.
- ellbeecee
*whistles nonchalantly*
- Betsy #TeamMonique
psst. the sparrow sings at noon.
- ellbeecee
Well, considering my undergrad degree is in how to hide the bodies...
- Katie
I really shouldn't share this, but this is my number station I use for transmissions. https://soundcloud.com/the-con...
- Stephen le Francoeur
Lemon tree!
- Marie
they will blend right in with the other 827 people who lurk :)
- maʀtha
I've always assumed that there are "people" who monitor the "troublemakers" talking about all the shit being disturbed hereabouts. (Hi!) Excuse me while I adjust my tin foil hat. You know what they say about paranoid people.
- John Dupuis
Google can find us, what's a couple more observant baby-libs
- Hedgehog
we should let them know about the free toasters
- maʀtha
I LURVE YUSUKE AND WILL FIGHT ANYONE WHO DOESN'T WANT HIM HERE.
- jambina
what other such groups are there, anyway? no, really, what other groups are they looking at?
- maʀtha
I'm not sure what he has selected specifically, but the categories are something techy like Zotero forums, a wiki of some type with shared materials, a collaborative blog with lots of comments, a mailing list like ILI-L, etc. Other suggestions would be welcome at this point.
- Megan loves summer
(I sooo will want to read the students assignments, but that might violate the cod of ethics)
- Megan loves summer
I'm on Amy's team! Yusuke is badass.
- Jason P
Aw, feeling the love. Maybe I'll bump this post up when the students come lurking
- Megan loves summer
To hell with the lurking, tell them to dive in, the water is fine. why not?
- maʀtha
We'll need a timely thread about our favorite curse words.
- Andy
I would suggest the Think Tank on Facebook as well.
- Andy
Because I can't focus just on Librarians in my course but have to cover archivists and records managers... so can't use it with my students ... why doesn't Yusuke get his students co-ordinating the now sleeping Library Day in a Life project as discussed here a couple of days ago? http://friendfeed.com/lsw...
- Kathryn is Blake in Hindi
Great idea! I'll see if I can make it happen :-)
- Fakeirish
changing my name to an alias. nah, can't be bothered. I told my students to read blogs & gave 'em a selection to pick from. That was 4-5 years ago tho … I might now suggest some folks on Twitter or G+.
- $tephanie•Cog$ciLibrarian
I've pointed proto-spies here often - undergrads curious about the field. I want them to know it's fun and full of insanely committed people (wait, not THAT kind of committed, well, not always).
- barbara fister
Wait, if we're going to have students observing does that mean we actually have to talk about, like, librarianship?
- laura x
Dude, if we have to talk about librarianship, I'm so outta here.
- Meg V. Meg
meh, you can all talk about librarianship. I'm just here for the drinks.
- ellbeecee
DRINKS? WHERE ARE THE DRINKS???? You sons of bitches, holding out on me again.
- Meg V. Meg
Great thread. (Martha: There's Librariology, for one, but it's...moribund is such a strong word.) In any case, there are clearly already 700+ lurkers and it's a public group. (Heck, if I was a potential LIS student--which I could be, but am not--I'd find LSW enormously encouraging. As, I suspect, would Derrick, to name one.)
- Walt Crawford
No, really, where are the drinks?
- Yo Joe. No, go slow.
The hell with drinks, I thought we were all about hookers and blow?
- Catherine Pellegrino
To hell with drinks and hookers & blow, I thought we were all about the occasional profanity-laced foot-stamping name-calling blow up? I think we're overdue.
- John Dupuis
(Amusing note: first time I typed hookers & blog. Which somehow seems more appropriate.)
- John Dupuis
By announcing their arrival, they have been denied a Richard Attenborough type of experience of "observing the librarian in their natural online habitat".
- Andy
Meg, come on down for some bourbon. I have a large quantity in my apartment as a part of my winter storm preparations.
- Royce's favorite Anna
I always assume there are lurkers here. Doesn't stop me from being a dumbass, but for sure, there be lurkers.
- Chelle Chelle Ro Ro
Ditto
- Jason - The Opaque
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And maybe some of them will stop being lurkers! And then henry and I won't be the only still-students 'round these parts (at least, I think we are? any other students out there?)
- Marianne
We have to remember to teach them the secret handshake.
- maʀtha
What is the secret handshake?
- maʀtha
you have to sign your Cutter number in ASL first?
- RepoRat
What secret handshake? *glares at Martha*
- Andy
I thought it was a secret milkshake. Huh.
- Chelle Chelle Ro Ro
Good idea!
- maʀtha
It's a good idea until straws get introduced into the equation. http://milkshakeecon101.ytmnd.com/
- Andy
Lol
- maʀtha
What. Was that?
- Yo Joe. No, go slow.
(@_@)
- Megan loves summer
My secret milkshake brings all the lurkers to the yard.
- Royce's favorite Anna
marianne--lsw needs moar students. we're kinda on the same schedule and we'll both be done before too long ...
- henry
Andy, I'm pretty sure this thread actually is our natural online habitat...
- Deborah Fitchett
Is "Library day in the life" happening this year? The project page at http://librarydayinthelife.pbworks.com/w... hasn't been updated for almost a year but perhaps there's elsewhere?
I think Bobbi has moved on to other things. I'm not sure if she has someone to take up the banner.
- Andy
I am planning to post on it anyway, it's one of the few traditions I have for my blog. As I post every jan
- aarontay
Do you think we could crowdsource the announcement of Round Nine this year? If only we could get a bunch of librarians to tweet about it again this year....
- Yo Joe. No, go slow.
I was thinking of organising something at MPOW but (as I do twice every year) forgot about it until too close to the would-be-official date to manage. Maybe for July though. Or we could just pick a random other date. But anyway, am happy to be part of crowdsourcing an announcement for... would it be the 28th?
- Deborah Fitchett
Hey Deb :) Wanna add it to LINT? :)
- Kathryn is Blake in Hindi
I don't mind helping out to advertise a bit. 28th Jan..would be okay.. do we record on the wiki as before?
- aarontay
On the wiki sounds good. (Hm, the email/password combo(s) I ought to have used don't work, must think more.) I'll add to LINT tonight/when the wiki has it.
- Deborah Fitchett
Okay will tweet about it. maybe even blog..will see.. waiting to edit the wiki.
- aarontay
I edited http://librarydayinthelife.pbworks.com and made the wiki page for round 9. http://librarydayinthelife.pbworks.com/w... I note that "Bobbi hasn't done this for a while, so she may be burned out with the project and has moved on to other things." Does this sound ok? Should I word it differently? I don't know Bobbi, so I am not sure how she might react if this project gets started again.
- Yo Joe. No, go slow.
might want to contact her first before writing that.
- aarontay
How about something like "Bobbi has organised this in the past but (not waiting for advice to the contrary) a bunch of Library Society of the World members have taken it upon themselves to schedule and promote Round 9"?
- Deborah Fitchett
i guess?
- aarontay
Wondering if we should create a new wiki page that mentions Bobbi with credit for the awesome idea, but doesn't make it seem as if she is managing it this year. If anyone would like to completely revamp my edits, that would be fine by me.
- Yo Joe. No, go slow.
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Hm, I was about to blog when I saw Bobbi's reverted the pages, so I've emailed her first (linking to this thread) to check on her preferences.
- Deborah Fitchett
She sent out an email about Library Day in the Life over the weekend. She has a preference for someone else running it and not just running willy nilly over the wiki since it's still in her name.
- Andy
I am talking to her about it.
- Yo Joe. No, go slow.
I also apologized profusely. I get excited about things sometimes.
- Yo Joe. No, go slow.
ooh, I hope this gets off the ground one way or another!
- $tephanie•Cog$ciLibrarian
Bobbi just posed about it and she's shutting it down: http://librarianbyday.net/2013...
- Sir Shuping is just sir
"So the purpose was to share with each other, across divisions of the library – reference to tech services, and across types of libraries – public to special, and perhaps to reach outside of libraryland." - interesting I always thought it was to share with people who weren't librarians but were curious or even thinking of joining the profession. I always fancied that my post was quite...
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- aarontay
I think there's a lot of potential use-cases - for example (though I don't know this was ever one for many people) I thought it'd be cool to use it as a way of making visible to our community what all we do behind the scenes that isn't just sitting on the desk and shelving books.
- Deborah Fitchett
My recent craziest idea was to adopt a twitter rotation account to do this... hmm , i was thinking more for my organization but why not across organizations!!
- aarontay
Oh, like the country curation accounts? Interesting!
- Deborah Fitchett
I use it as a reference for my "Introduction to Librarianship" students when covering what u can do with a library degree. I use it as one of the references in my library technology unit where students have to refer to a real, live job position to explain how one aspect of material covered that week cd be used in the field.
- Kathryn is Blake in Hindi
"Elsevier In Advanced Talks To Buy Mendeley For Around $100M To Beef Up In Social, Open Education Data" http://techcrunch.com/2013...
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I am skeptical this has anything to do with openness.
- kaijsa
Oh, I'm sure it has *something* to do with openness. Maybe just not the connection we'd prefer.
- Walt Crawford
as in "closing the openness"
- $tephanie•Cog$ciLibrarian
Or, rather, "striving for maximum openness consistent with sustainable models as we define sustainability." Which is an Elsevierish version of what Stephanie said.
- Walt Crawford
Wow
- Christina Pikas
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I went Whoa, instead of Wow.
- Yo Joe. No, go slow.
Huh. Whoa indeed.
- lris
I can't picture William Gunn working for Elsevier.
- Yo Joe. No, go slow.
But can you picture the Mendeley team taking the money? They don't have to work for Elsevier, just negotiate an acceptable non-compete and $amt
- awd
I would guess he can't comment here while negotiations are underway.
- RepoRat
But now that I think about it, it'd be kind of awesome if he jumped to PeerJ.
- RepoRat
Next two comments copied from another thread:
- John Dupuis
I'm not surprised Mendeley cashed out. They were startup funded, I believe, so this is a typical way for the investors to get their money back. And I think Mendeley definitely gets integrated into the whole SciVerse product suite making it a tool that pulls people to the Elsevier content while also giving the Big E amazing analytics about just about everything.
- John Dupuis
Is there a way that Mendeley could restrict any internal sharing only where it doesn't violate any kinds of licenses? Presumably most publishers are already pretty ok with the way they operate or as they've gotten bigger we would have heard about it
- John Dupuis
I don't see how. What licenses *aren't* under NDA?
- RepoRat
There's a slightly snarky answer to that: Those with public institutions in states with sunshine laws where someone wants the license badly enough to take it to court.
- Walt Crawford
looks like they want the apps and platform and the collaboration interface, and maybe not the bibliographic/social info, based on the article. Interesting.
- Elizabeth Brown
Mendeley is quite elegant and I always mean to use it more, but it just makes sense for me to use Refworks cuz we have all the Proquests and it works in our OPAC, etc. I mean no disrespect to Mendeley but I do question Elsevier's motives even as I think about how nice it would be to integrate into their admittedly already nice stuff.
- kaijsa
And I'm pretty sceptical of Mendeley's core value surviving an Elsevier takeover to be honest.
- Cameron Neylon
Three words. Zotero. Open Source.
- Kathryn is Blake in Hindi
So, does this mean that all the "cost of information" signers need to migrate?
- DJF
How ironic. I have a large group on Mendeley, "Open Access and Libraries".
- Rebecca Hedreen
Disable Java in your browsers. Again. http://www.computerworld.com/s...
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Thank you.
- Kathryn is Blake in Hindi
Got it. Does anyone post an "all clear" when it's safe again? I kind of need Java to run Wimba classroom next week.
- Catherine Pellegrino
I'll keep an eye out for patch news. It's a "visit malicious site" bug, though, so if you only enable Java when you need it and only visit websites you trust, you should make it through OK.
- RepoRat
Gotcha. Thank you! (I couldn't make head or tails of the Computerworld article, but got enough to know it's srs bsns.)
- Catherine Pellegrino
a perhaps-less-awful explanation: http://arstechnica.com/securit...
- RepoRat
Thank you! I'm honestly not sure what I use Java for other than web conferencing software, so Imma leave it disabled and see what breaks, then turn it back on for my meeting next week.
- Catherine Pellegrino
this is a wise plan.
- RepoRat
Honestly, there is never an "all clear" to use Java in a browser. Have a second, or a third browser if you need to use it for something, and never use that browser for anything else. Rip it out of the others.
- Blake
how do you disable java? I see a place to disable "java runtime environment" - is that it?
- Laura Norvig
Laura: The Ars Technica article links to a good set of instructions. For Firefox, it's trivial: pull down menu, click on Add-Ons, disable anything saying "Java," restart Firefox. For IE, it's apparently a little tougher.
- Walt Crawford
I'm assuming that JavaScript is *not* Java and is still OK. I used to know this stuff...
- Walt Crawford
JavaScript is not Java.
- Steele Lawman
Thanks. That was my assumption. So Java's safely disabled in my primary (lately only) browser.
- Walt Crawford
For the version of IE that's on my Windows 7 computer (which I never use, but checked anyway), the process is almost exactly like that of Firefox. And Java was already disabled when I went to check.
- Catherine Pellegrino
JavaScript is to Java as butter is to butterflies
- Blake
The Firefox plug-in check site currently reports 7u10 to be up to date and not a problem. However, I expect that to change by tomorrow.
- Julian
Half a fix: http://www.reuters.com/article...
- RepoRat
Learn how to make a screenshot / take-a-screenshot.org - http://take-a-screenshot.org/
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What it says, but very nice, comprehensive and simple for a newb.
- Kathryn is Blake in Hindi
20 Things I Learned About Browsers and the Web - http://www.20thingsilearned.com/#...
Google's Picture Book-like guide to the web, protocols and browsers
- Kathryn is Blake in Hindi
Twitter in Library School « Hack Library School - http://hacklibschool.wordpress.com/2011...
Here is my presentation. It is rather screen shot heavy but I wanted to give a quick overview of the application before I went to use it live (and in case for some reason the internet connection was down). Also, the examples I give of librarians to follow just barely skim the surface. I just wanted to give people an idea of the library universe on Twitter.
- Kathryn is Blake in Hindi
8/H365 Funambulist and Somnambulist - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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chickens!!!!!!
- Meg V. Meg
:) just babies really... Or since they are laying, teenagers.
- Kathryn is Blake in Hindi
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