"If the built-in iPod, Internet access, photo and video capabilities weren’t enough reasons for you to get an iPhone, here’s one more: the ABC Animals iPhone App ($2). This interactive flash card application combines visually appealing animal illustrations with audio that names each letter and animal. Flip the card over, and kids can practice forming the letters by tracing them on the screen with a finger or stylus. Plus, if you buy this great app in September, all revenue is donated to the Will Lammerding Fund."
- Neil Bernhart
from Bookmarklet
"Two days ago we wrote about the sudden sharp decrease in photos taken with an iPhone being published to Flickr. While we speculated on reasons for the drop, the most likely candidate of all has now come to light – Apple itself."
- Martin Bryant
from Bookmarklet
That's intersting that Apple has decided to establish each individual model in the exif data. It's something you would think they would have done at first or not at all exactly for this reason. But I guess when it comes down to it, Flickr has their business, Apple has theirs.
- Andrew Dobrow
I just wish Apple would fix the EXIF date and time on iPhone photos...they're always mixed up and in a different order every time they're imported into Picasa (no such problems on any other cam I've ever used recently or otherwise)
- Steve just Steve
sjheil on I pirated Bioshock, liked it and bought it. This is what I see after the install. Never again will I buy a game with SecuROM. - http://www.reddit.com/r...
"True enough...but what if you didn't feel the $49.99 price tag was reasonable (or personally affordable) and held off to buy it when it dropped to a level you felt was more reasonable (or personally affordable) - say $19.99? Are you still 'ripping them off a little'?"
- Steve just Steve
sjheil on I pirated Bioshock, liked it and bought it. This is what I see after the install. Never again will I buy a game with SecuROM. - http://www.reddit.com/r...
"I dunno...personally I prefer to have a hard copy of a bought game in-hand...ditto with DVD's, BluRays, and CD's. Maybe I'm just old-fashioned...? (or just 'old'?)"
- Steve just Steve
It is a lot of fun even at $199. I've taken more Video of the kids since I got it.
- Scott Wincklhofer
Even better is Kodak Zi6...found on sale for $129...720 HD & uses standard AA batteries, useful if you run out of juice while out & about (as I discovered while @ beach in Brasil last week!)
- Steve just Steve
Ghostbusters: The Video Game Video Game, Exclusive Multiplayer Debut Trailer HD | Game Trailers & Videos | GameTrailers.com - http://www.gametrailers.com/player...
That page aggregates all posts/tweets etc together that have anything to do with the Dream Machines show yesterday. How was that page built? Friendfeed's search engine and adding the term "dreammachines09" into the comments somewhere.
- Robert Scoble
Now that we have this really killer live search engine we don't need hash tags anymore. At least not here on friendfeed. Over on systems that have no metadata you've gotta do lame things like take some of your 140 characters to post #dreammachines09 or something like that.
- Robert Scoble
Inclusion of cryptic information in band though seems like a lame solution(both in FF and Twitter)-- some sort of meta data solution would be better.
- Brian Sullivan
Brian: the neat thing is that as a friendfeed item gets more comments it gets more searchable. For instance, you can search for the words "cryptic information" and find this item now.
- Robert Scoble
Agreed Robert. I am actually building twitter apps and experimenting using Friendfeed to power the more advanced content pulls.
- David Bisset
Wait, your argument is that we don't need hashtags because you can add hashtags via comments? (Sure, without hash marks, we'll have to call them wikitags, or just WordsStuckTogether)
- Joel Bennett
James: I did just that with the dreammachines09 word inclusion. The thing is I didn't need to include that in the top-level item and I didn't need to steal any of my precious 140 characters to do it.
- Robert Scoble
are you talking simply about the actual hash mark? (#)
- Kenley Neufeld
Hashtags are still the best way to participate in a Twitter chat convo like #journchat or #blogchat. Probably why you're better off on Friendfeed, Robert... ;-)
- Danny Brown
Joel: I call it metadata. Kenley: no. For Twitter to find your Tweet you need to actually include that word INSIDE your Tweet. I don't need to do that. For instance, if I want to find this item under "foobartweets" I just include that word OUTSIDE my original item as a comment.
- Robert Scoble
Danny: that is really lame. Over here we get live chat that you can only dream about in Twitter. Here, join the live chat on this item here: http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei... new comments will flow into your screen as they are posted.
- Robert Scoble
I've said this since day one. Hash tags are almost 99% useless. no need for the hash!
- Jamie
Danny so they are used like a communally defined room on Twitter? This agrees with the simple wins meme.
- Todd Hoff
maybe I'm confused. If you run a search on Twitter, you get the results whether you hashtag or not. You have to use a distinct term so people have something to search (as you did with dreammachines09), but it still shows the results. Is this somehow different?
- shaun mclane
hashtags work well as a way to FLAG or bring attention to a particular topic but searchwise, I never understood why adding a # made any difference.
- Andy Sternberg
Dont think this is legit argument to eliminate any need for hastags. They are still great user generated filters.
- Cody Heitschmidt
but wouldn't a "standard" mark be helpful for being able to find specific information that's referenced by common words. For example a common search I use on twitter is for #jobs so that I don't get all kind of tweets unrelated to job postings.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Hashtags are metadata, and are useful, a tweet with a link and a hashtag is a delicious entry, so is delicious not useful anymore?
- James Ostheimer
Shaun: right, but what if your original tweet doesn't have a good way to include that word in it? Or, what if you are out of characters?
- Robert Scoble
Computers are fast enough that they don't need hashtags but for humans it's different. When I'm scanning Tweets I find the hashtags useful as they draw my eye to the keyword. For human readability the hash character is the equivalent of bolding or underlining a word.
- Troy Forster
I also like that you don't *actually* have to conform to a 140 character limit on Friendfeed. Certain conversations, like this one, lend themselves to having longer messages. I don't buy the argument that Twitter makes people better writers...
- Tim McDougall
and unfortunately it appears that FF filters out the # mark
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Robert: got it. Term can appear anywhere in the comments (and one time is enough).
- Kenley Neufeld
Demonstration why they're still needed: http://beta.friendfeed.com/search... Sadly, it doesn't work because keywords are only as good as the posts they are in. FriendFeed could still benefit from community generated tagging of content (by author or by readers)
- Kevin Kuphal
Troy: so you can still use hashtags here too if you like them for visual purposes. #stupidhashtags
- Robert Scoble
Troy: but here note that now you can search on stupidhashtags, but I didn't need to include that item in the original Tweet.
- Robert Scoble
Robert...I think we're saying the same thing here. Except now I think this is more a Twitter VS FF argument. If you run out of characters, you can't add a hashtag OR the togetherwords. The actual # symbol only accounts for one character. Maybe I need to re-read this.
- shaun mclane
I've posed my above question a few times, and still it's not really been addressed
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Seems more of a side-effect of the commenting engine on FF rather than anything to do with hashtags themselves. Twitters lack of context makes this an impossibility for them
- Kevin Kuphal
the lack of need for hash tags is truly only as good as the posted data.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Of course, wouldn't it be nice if we could markup tweets, FF, etc posts to use bold and underline. I'd prefer that over YAMS (Yet Another Markup Syntax)
- Troy Forster
from twhirl
Rob: which question, the one about needing a standard mark? I disagree. Everyone who saw my dreammachines09 knows what I was doing. Does including a hash like #dreammachines09 make it better? OK, up to you.
- Robert Scoble
tell me how to search on "jobs" and not come up with steve jobs then
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Troy: I wish I could import photos and videos into comments too. Flickr, for instance, lets you do that and I really like it.
- Robert Scoble
I tend to agree with guruvan, in the value of elevating benign words above their typical use in conversation. I wish twitter search didn't ignore hashtags.
- Derek Shanahan
it's not an arguement against intelligent posteds like yourself robert, just an observation that a standard mark is a simple way to distinguish common words...."dreammachines09" is not exactly a "common word"
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Or, Rob, pick a set of words that indicate employment too. You can do "AND" searches on friendfeed, for instance, so here's a search that includes all items that include the words "jobs" AND "employment." http://beta.friendfeed.com/search...
- Robert Scoble
wouldn't things like hashtags still be of some use as a low-load search mechanism? I mean full text search is far more expensive to run - whereas hashtags would be something the system can pre-index, hence making a search that is far lighter. And once you multiply by millions of users, it can matter
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
but there's a zillion things I don't want to come up with on common terms -startup is another prime example...I don't want to have to list a ton of "- word" to get just what I want. the # makes it simple to get just what I was looking for
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
A hashtag without a hashmark, in the comments ... is still a hashtag. Yes, it WOULD BE FAR BETTER hashtag because other people can add it, and it doesn't take up space ... except that your search is VERY NON-INTUITIVE. You're really just proposing a new way of marking things (which NOBODY ELSE is using yet), Maybe instead, you should ask FriendFeed to just natively support keyword TAGS as additional metadata. THAT would actually be way better, instead of just different.
- Joel Bennett
sean mcbride in 5.. 4.. 3.. 2.. 1.... ;)
- alphaxion
Joelle: we get full text search here automatically and it's quite well done. See my first comment for a demonstration.
- Robert Scoble
And I do know how to use the search here at friendfeed....this is how I know what some of the limits are
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
robert, posters are lazy, and "jobs AND employment" took too many characters on twitter, and so it wasn't posted like that
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Well, a hashtag is not required because you can just create a room for that #topic and cross-post to it.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
while the hashtag might not be necessary, it is useful in some circumstances.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I can tell it's well done, i was just wondering about the impact of thousands of people having multiple live search and filters - but clearly if it can cope all the better. That leaves hashtags as a mechanism to create special labels for memes - not for the machine anymore, but for people to know what to use should they play along a meme
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
find out how many terms you have to exclude on the search term "startup" to just get posts about startup businesses (and not starting up your computer)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Robert: Don't you think that your search could easily get cluttered? What if a user started adding 'dreammachine09' to random unrelated posts? I agree that Friendfeed's search is much better than other sites, but there is still a lot of room for improvement.
- Tim McDougall
Rob: well, then, just remove anything to do with Steve and Apple, but I agree that it'd be nice for friendfeed to search on the hashcharacter as well. Funny, it seems that friendfeed turns a Tweet with #jobs in it to a hotlink to the Twitter search engine. Almost like admitting that doing hashtags is better over on Twitter's search.
- Robert Scoble
If I'm not wrong, hashtags were introduced on twitter because it was difficult to organize posts around a certain topic.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Ironic because @twleung just declared that he likes #hashtags. Key point w're often missing is the end-user experience: it's easier for many to use #ht in their simple desktop client rather than having to setup a search engine query. In (related) news: https://shane.curcuru.name/blog...
- Shane Curcuru
and then on the same startup search, find me a term that is ALWASYS posted along with it to indicate startup businesses
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Tim: if someone started doing that they would break the social contract here and would earn blocks from people and, if they were doing it on my items, would get their comments deleted.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Maybe I don't have the right picture of how this works. Are you saying that if you block someone, then I won't see their comments under this post?
- Tim McDougall
Seems that this "social contract" could also be used by incorporating tags into FF so that users could tag posts with various categories, etc making the search more valuable by searching on those tags rather than taking a whack at full text. I'm sure some nifty ajax could even suggest categories/tags like eBay does when posting an item for sale to jumpstart it for each post.
- Kevin Kuphal
@Todd, ok I admit only people creating a topic would want to do that. (like on tinker.com)
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
In most cases, you're absolutely correct Robert. If the poster is smart enought to make up a common search term that can be used to find the data then you're correct. But how is that really any different than having a standard mechanism like the hashtag to find the data? how is "dreammachines09" really any different than "#startup" to find specific data?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
guruvan: I already demonstrated how it's different. For one, it isn't needed inside the originating item. For instance, I can put #stupidhashtags or stupidhashtags inside the comments here so that this item shows up on a search for stuidhashtags. No need to waste my 140 characters above to make sure my item is searchable or included in some weird conference hash tag.
- Robert Scoble
2.. 1.. we have lift-off! :) James Ostheimer+ semantic metadata are more needed now than ever. I get the impression that linguistics, semantics, pragmatics and natural language processing are not fields that have captured Robert's attention with much force. :)
- Sean McBride
Also, a lot of times people can't figure out what the hash tag is before they start to post. When I was posting/tweeting from the Under the Radar conference last Friday I had no idea what the hash tag was. But by the end of the day I figured it out. So, it sure would be nice to be able to go back and add the #utr tag to everything. But on Twitter that's impossible. Here? Just add it like I just did. Of course that introduces noise to under the radar searches, but oh well, just remove Scoble. :-)
- Robert Scoble
hashtags are probably used for things that could be better done on FF, and this scrolling comment feed is a good example of a way to 'find' a conversation, which is one of the uses hashtags has served users (#journchat). i still believe that hashtags can elevate mundane words into a highlighted conversation that you can go grab, and in many cases a hashtag will enlighten you to that conversation, which you otherwise wouldn't have known to look for.
- Derek Shanahan
Sean: no. Because normal human beings will never learn any of that. We did learn how to use Google. :-)
- Robert Scoble
you didn't demonstrate that it's really different. You simply substituted one extra long term for the hashtag. On specifically made up searchable terms like "stupidhashtag" it's obviously not necessary, but on more common terms where I might wish to include or exclude all the possibles like "startup vs. #startup" it's still a useful mechanism.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
agree it's different:You can add it outside the content, and *I* can add it to *your* posts. But better? Not really. #hashtags advertise their presence for a reason: because only by doing so will others follow along and tag their posts the same way so you can follow a thread of commonality.
- Joel Bennett
I wish the friendfeed search engine would let me also include the hash. Then we'd both win.
- Robert Scoble
I wish they'd support tags as separate metadata and allow the crowd to add to it. Then we'd have something to dance about ;)
- Joel Bennett
There is nothing really different here -- only that the tags can be added after the fact.
- Brian Sullivan
Joel: and that system totally sucks. How many people figure out what the hash tag is for a conference by the beginning of the conference, for instance. Not many. Even yesterday we had to figure out what the official tag was for dream machines. We talked with the head of PR for the event. He didn't know. So we had to agree on our own. Are we catching everything? Probably, because friendfeed's search engine is so good (and so is Twitter's, by the way). Humans are good at figuring this stuff out.
- Robert Scoble
Robert Scoble: what would be the easiest way to say that a post is PRO Barack Obama or ANTI Barack Obama? Or that someone LIKES Britney Spears or DISLIKES Britney Spears? How can one perform sentiment mining on Friendfeed posts? Think, Robert, think.... The truth is, most of the basic semantic data locked in Friendfeed posts is still unminable and unusable.
- Sean McBride
And it doesn't have to be a hashtag (but people are used to it) ....It could be any agreed upon mechanism....we could all agree right here that from her on out on FriendFeed a ^TAG would be a searchable meachanism (and then the hashtag would still go to twitter search)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Brian: and I can add a lot more tags to this item than you can to any Tweet so this will be much more searchable.
- Robert Scoble
Sean: for negative sentiment you search for words like "hate" "sucks" etc. For positive search for "love" "great" "awesome." Etc. I can remove posts with either sentiment pretty easily here.
- Robert Scoble
Well since the tweet is only 140 characters, is stand alone and the tag is in band that falls out naturally.
- Brian Sullivan
It's much easier to find data on FriendFeed, but that's primarily because of grouped conversations and the availability of more characters per message
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
What we need is the ability to embed widgets into the stream so there can be some form of custom structure. All these methods are informal ways of adding structure to free form text.
- Todd Hoff
Robert -- I think you are missing the point: most people don't know how to use HTML, but HTML is still enormously valuable. Semantic markup will provide much more leverage over documents than HTML. Only a small percentage of the human population needs to use semantic markup to elevate it into a powerful tool that benefits everyone.
- Sean McBride
Robert: that method of sentiment mining is crude, imprecise and weak, and misses or misinterprets the majority of sentiment expressions.
- Sean McBride
Seriously though, instead of hashtags, FF can just provide simple comma-separated tags with a post
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
@Robert RE: @Joel. Community tagging would solve the "conference tag" problem quickly. Sure, at first tags may be misapplied as people settle on what it should be but rather quickly they will converge and the community can fix itself and all those mis-tagged items become properly tagged.
- Kevin Kuphal
Sean: I can make up a few examples of where that type of minig is imprecise, and misinterprets data, but those case are probably extremely rare in real world situations
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
@Robert - thanks for noticing that lame is my middle name, many people don't.
- Danny Brown
Ahsan: yes if the tags are metadata not part of the actual post, then that works...but if we want to use terms in the post as tags, then a marker character can sometimes be necessary or useful
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Nah, #we@really//need.namespace.support:in-hashtags?right But a key difference is if (any) system intelligently supports some real metadata, or simply gives you text. Raw searching is improving, but real metadata will add a ton of extra meaning - and someday, it'll be easy to unlock.
- Shane Curcuru
If FF really wants to take meta-data to the next level, give us proper tags (external to the post). Otherwise, people will just start using hashtags, like they did on Twitter.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
A sentiment mining challenge: show me a program that will parse this conversation and accurately label each comment as pro-hashtags or anti-hashtags. Robert: any pointers? #hashtags+ (I just stated that this comment is pro-hashtags in a way that is machine-readable.)
- Sean McBride
I agree with Robert, half of the power comes from the direction the coversation takes in the comments which is frequently much more broad than the author originally intended so would never have had the hash.
- David Ziembicki
Agreed, but unless the search engine here changes they're going to have to be some other character than #
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Friendfeed should develop its own semantic markup conventions that go well beyond Twitter's hashtags. This would not be a difficult project.
- Sean McBride
David: Conversations are probably much easier to locate than simple posts
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
By the way, I think that slashtags offer a more promising route for semantic markup than hashtags.
- Sean McBride
Have not tried...are they working in the FF search engine?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
P.S. Robert: Thanks for the "stupidhashtag" it made this conversation really easy to remember and find ;-)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Great discussion here...I'm chiming in a but late but wanted to capture a couple other drawbacks I've noticed about twitter hashtags: 1) you can't necessarily depend on everyone knowing about a particular hashtag and using it, even with a topic that is well-known and especially considering the influx of non-geeks to twitter...
- Steve just Steve
2) depending on the hashtag, you can encounter 'hash clash' with a hash that may be in use for an unrelated topic (a good sports-related example is #rangers...are you tagging the NY hockey Rangers or the Texas baseball Rangers?)
- Steve just Steve
I think that posting to a specific feed/room is the FriendFeed alternative to in-post hash-tags. On top of that, reader-tagging of posts would be nice. That's the model followed by Delicious, but then applied to FF conversations instead of the whole web. It would also help you to find your favorite conversations. FriendFeed should just implement social bookmarking.
- Meryn Stol
Quite sensible Meryn. Both this idea, and Robert's very successful idea of making up asillytag to find the conversation work quite well. Reader tagging effectively as simple as posting a comment with anothersillytag.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
How do you set the topic for the backchannel? seems like you are simply removing the #
- andrew
"When it was first unveiled in March, Wolfram Alpha, a new type of search engine created by computer scientist Stephen Wolfram, got a lot of buzz. Naturally, some people threw out the “Google killer” title — but it seems to be a different beast, as it’s all about knowledge search. That is to say, you ask a question, and you get an answer — with Google, you ask a question and you get a link to a bunch of documents. That may sound a bit bland, and simplistic, but the select few who have seen it, seem to think it works really well and could be a game changer."
- Kol Tregaskes
from Bookmarklet
Will be interesting to see how this one works in practice.
- Erik Gulliksen
Ahh...I wish I had a dime for all of the 'would-be game-changer' search engines that have come and gone over the past 2...3...heck 5 years...
- Steve just Steve
Google's search results are all linear, one after the other, page after page, Vivisimo tried a different clustered approach, but that still doesnt work. People want the simplicity of the page-turner, sequential, top to bottom views but with additional features, such as save an URL to bookmarks from the results, save particular sets of search results, search only on specified pageranked pages, et al.. The custom search offers some of these functions but still that doesnt quite cut it enough.
- TrafficBug
I really hope this is actually as good as I've heard. It sounds truly incredible and hopefully will not be another Cuil.
- Devlin Dunsmore
sjheil on The Americans Are Revolting: For eight years, the right-wing of America could have protested the destruction of the Constitution. It didn’t. - http://www.reddit.com/r...
Dollhouse. It is still on the air, barely, and finally hitting its stride. Also, Chuck, Sarah Connor, 30 Rock, and The Unit.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Criminal Minds for crime drama, Big Bang Theory for comedy
- William Harryman
Just got one of these a little over a week ago and just love it! (got the 512mb version, but popped in a $21 2gb mem card in < 5 minutes)
- Steve just Steve
Nice! Though it's worth noting that a couple of web servers (Apache, lighttpd) have been available for jailbroken iPhones for quite a while. One of the earliest, geekiest things I played with when I first got my iPhone. :)
- Steve just Steve
Sometimes just that the table is useful, e.g. a helpdesk system might have to join a Persons table for the submitter, requester, assignee, etc. It does say that SQL could benefit from a more concise syntax for joins.
- Bruce Lewis
In this case it was a table linking to a whole bunch of lookup tables. Instead of having hundreds of separate tables (one for each drop-down list in the app), they have one table that holds all the lookup tables.
- Gabe