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Tom Himpe
Bre Pettis | I Make Things - Design Glut Interview - http://www.brepettis.com/blog...
Bre Pettis | I Make Things - Design Glut Interview
Bre Pettis | I Make Things - Design Glut Interview
"3D printing has the potential to be pretty revolutionary. What’s your vision for the future? Right now we have a way of distributing and manufacturing products that is completely alien, compared to what people were doing 100 years back. We shop for things, often online, and we find the thing that most suits us. We order it. It was probably built very far away, and it ends up getting shipped to some other place and some other place and some other place before it comes to you. Well, it doesn’t have to be like that. You could just shop for something online, download a file, and print it out at home on your 3D printer." - Tom Himpe from Bookmarklet
Ok for small gadgets, but for a real thing, i.e. a tool, a piece of furniture, a spare part for a car etc... ? - skylendar
Cool. With a little bit of work, I could create my own action figures. I could see a larger version being used to make patio furniture and certain car parts, such as the big plastic thing that houses the headlight unit on my car. - Nathanael Mathias Christe
For real spare parts, you need steel, not plastic. - skylendar
3d printing is available for steel/metal as a sintered metal using lasers to melt it into place on top of a piston which drops before the next layer is blown into the chamber. 3D printing is more real than nanotech. It is disruptive tech. You can print in thermoplastics and sculptural wax, (you can 3D scan with Open source software), you can email CAD file to 3Dprinteries who'll send it... more... - meika loofs samorzewski
And what about printing in colors ? - skylendar
I think it should be possible to 3D print houses with everything : structure, insulation, wiring, etc - Bud Blumenthal
Tom Himpe
ITVS Announces FUTURESTATES, a New Online Fictional Series to Explore Visions of Life in a Future America - http://www.marketwire.com/press-r...
"The series, which will be made available online beginning March 2010, will consist of 11 mini-features each 15 minutes in length, created by independent filmmakers exploring diverse visions of what life might look like in an America of the future." - Tom Himpe from Bookmarklet
and what about purefold itself ? - skylendar
Kol Tregaskes
Human Brain Could Be Replicated In 10 Years, Researcher Predicts - http://www.sciencedaily.com/release...
Human Brain Could Be Replicated In 10 Years, Researcher Predicts
"A model that replicates the functions of the human brain is feasible in 10 years according to neuroscientist Professor Henry Markram of the Brain Mind Institute in Switzerland. "I absolutely believe it is technically and biologically possible. The only uncertainty is financial. It is an extremely expensive project and not all is yet secured."" - Kol Tregaskes from Bookmarklet
well, considering we synthesise a new human brain every time a baby is born, of course it's possible. The only issue is that, currently, it takes 12 to 18 years for the development of that brain to reach a useful state. - alphaxion
Creating a brain is easy anyone (and their partner) can do that, modelling a brain? - Matt G
Creating a brain is one thing, understanding how it works and what intelligence is, is another - skylendar
meika loofs samorzewski
Which linux distribution might prove the least fiddly for this purefold's backend (in terms of that python code that was mentioned a while ago)??
I nominate Debian - Michael Bravo
Any major distro could be fine, actually - skylendar
ok, and if I were considering a completely new install, no preference? - meika loofs samorzewski
Try either Mandriva or SUSE - skylendar
Graham Sergeant
Fwd: District 9's Director Tells Us All About His Alien Back Story: http://io9.com/5331799... (via http://friendfeed.com/jouzta...)
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"The hive mind [concept] is the most important thing to me, because I love the idea of a civilization that can build all of that technology and then, at the same time, just have a massive population that was just drones that needed direction, and were absolutely incapable of building that stuff on their own. I found that to be a really interesting concept. Also, it sort of explains why they don't turn on the humans. Individually, they may be feeling oppressed, but they don't have it together enough to form a resistance and back one another. So I found that really interesting." - Graham Sergeant
no spoilers please, it opens here Aug 13th :( - Michael Bravo
An human hive is exactly what the mainstream totalitarian dreams about. - skylendar
"mainstream totalitarian" mmmh, more crosstalk from a parallel universe??? - meika loofs samorzewski
Bees don't have personal purposes, they just obey, which is perfect for dictators, even animated with the best good will. - skylendar
Graham Sergeant
Michel Foucault and Noam Chomsky discuss the application of institutional power on social groups and outline the tasks for "formulating" a "future just society": http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Michel Foucault and Noam Chomsky discuss the application of institutional power on social groups and outline the tasks for "formulating" a "future just society": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kawGakdNoT0
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The usual hot air from the so-called left wing french intellectuals. - skylendar
It's a test, designed to provoke an emotional response. - Graham Sergeant
an emotional response ? Rather boredom & yawnings - skylendar
In other, more direct terms then: http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Graham Sergeant
Anarchism, specifically Chomsky's anarcho-syndicalism has a direct analogue with crowd-sourced creative commons licensed projects. Purefold's politics are therefore left wing. Blade Runner's politics, of the enslaved demanding emancipation from corporate masters, are left wing. Don your beret, pour yourself an espresso, ignite a gitane and pontificate ;-) - Graham Sergeant
I prefer to use the grid-group theory of Mary Douglas, (but yes I too, werm an anarchist) http://fourcultures.com/ - meika loofs samorzewski
Certainly not. The communists enslaved millions people, and millions died in gulags. - skylendar
Authoritarian communism is the opposite of syndical anarchism, one is the iron fist of the state, the other is a loose collective of federated kabutz like communes run by the people for the people blah de blah. Let's face it, there's a strong left wing strain running through "Redley's" (:D) work, the anti-capitalism of workers expended by "the company" in Alien and the evil corporate... more... - Graham Sergeant
ah, that post-soixante-huitard langue de bois - skylendar
Sans déconner! - Graham Sergeant
Have you realized that your left wing crowdsourced purefold is actually financed by utterly capitalistic brandnames ? - skylendar
Brandnames that participate in Purefold are taking the first step on the road to post-capitalist reformation. They will adapt or die. - Graham Sergeant
Hahahahaha... You're funny :-) Why not the contrary. Maybe you clench your left fist, but in your right hand, you still clutch a wad of $$$$$$$$$$$$.... Fais comme je dis et pas comme je fais - skylendar
A wad of unpaid bills more like ;-) Are you suggesting Purefold's commitment to crowdsourcing is nothing more than a glib patina of audience empowerment, beneath which the traditional methods of audience coercion still lurk? - Graham Sergeant
Unfortunately, I think so :-( Thjat being said, I don't really disagree with you about anarchism and capitalism. I also puke out capitalism, but there is always a wide discrepancy between speeches and facts - skylendar
We all just want to make art. The band of gold is an ever present issue, so too is retreating too deeply into an ivory tower of solipsistic inutility. Is there a happy medium? - Graham Sergeant
by now, I just regard Purefold as a curiosity of even as a challenge. But I'm perfectly aware of the fact that this dream will be unavoidably polluted by their brandnames. Sigh... - skylendar
Media saturation, brand pollution, ambivalence towards the degraded landscape, all part of that Blade Runner romance. Cue Vangelis, tears in rain. - Graham Sergeant
We'll discuss this maybe tonight. I have to go. Bye... - skylendar
Graham, you're right about Purefold being part of the road to post-capitalist developments - the ethos of social marketing is to produce social, not socialist, products. As such the role of currency is focused on generating values for a crowd, not extracting value from the crowd (crowdsourcing). The fundamental reason for including brands, rather than a pure editorial production, is to bring more people to a discussion about this future of an open currency - which in turn drives innovation for everyone. - zeroinfluencer
Interesting theory, but I'm certain that your partners don't share this way of thinking. They are and remain 100% capitalistic companies. - skylendar
A capitalist company is based upon freely available social resources (or as Clay Shirky calls it 'the social surplus'), in turn, any form of advertising is putting a form of currency into an open market. Making that more *useful* and *entertaining* is the key to long term relationships, thus the huge decline in 30second adverts and media - TV Commercials are not very useful *to* an... more... - zeroinfluencer
based upon freely available social resources ? Bullshit ! You have a really weird conception of capitalism. Its sole purpose is to make profits, profts and profts. That's all ! The social side of this issue is a mere byproduct, a consequence of the system. Capitalism is truly based upon the principle of private assets, private resources and profits, according to classical radicalist thinkers, e.g. Lord Bentham - skylendar
Heh, grab a gin and watch Clay explain. http://vodpod.com/watch... - zeroinfluencer
Have you forgotten the Thatcher era, with its back to basics, entrepreneurship and rash capitalism ? - skylendar
Close the thread... can't top Colbert :D - Graham Sergeant
Graham Sergeant
We're outsourcing the future, to be built by Thatcher and Philip K Dick: http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment... The dark side of brand integration: John Harris writes about a future where schools, prisons and hospitals sport corporate logos and are run for shareholder profit over ethics
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"Here, anyway, is what increasingly seems to be the future: slick corporate logos flashing from prisons, hospitals, schools, detention centres, defence facilities, police stations and more, and a cut-price society pitched somewhere between Margaret Thatcher and Philip K Dick. Real-life dystopias, let us not forget, tend to arrive by stealth; whatever the political fashion, we need to start talking about all this again – and fast." - Graham Sergeant
Just found an interesting response to that stealth from an unexpected source (Richard Dreyfuss on Fox news of all places) Wonder how resistance will play out in the near future. And if Wide spread communication will encourage long term thought and communication on issues or tumble into soundbites or (cough,cough) tweets... Thoughts on this? - BairdWilliamson
I had dim view of Twitter until I heard it was used to organise pro-democracy rallies in Iran - Graham Sergeant
Yeah, The fact that tech can be the Hyper modern equivalent of old cafe discussions (used for the french revolution etc) is fantastic. - BairdWilliamson
I never though of it that way: Twitter as the left bank of the internet :-) - Graham Sergeant
Yup and now the left bank is literally traveling in millions of pockets :) - BairdWilliamson
including, of course, corporate logos and brandnames within purefold :-) - skylendar
Revel in your time - Graham Sergeant
Graham Sergeant
Given that stories are based on webs of precedent interdepedencies (story is downstream from backstory, character/plot decisions are downstream from character bio, forces of antagonism etc),how will Purefold avoid a house of cards effect?
Will Purefold be locking down fundamental elements in order to avoid pulling the rug out from under people who are building stories on those elements? - Graham Sergeant
As I told you before, the active audience isn't a unique and coherent mind, but an unofficial group of various and sometimes contradictory tendencies. How will Purefold deal with that ? - skylendar
Canon building will solve this problem, but that runs counter to the mash-up/creative commons ethics. - Graham Sergeant
Canon building ? - skylendar
The canon is the official body of knowledge, the master text, the source from which all things derive. God. The Authority. Purefold has no canon right now, but as it proceeds, certain character bios, world histories and back stories will need to be set in stone in order for others to build stories on them. The Star Wars canon is either built by George Lucas or sanctioned by him, he is a canon guardian. Purefold will require a canon, and canons need guardians and foundations. - Graham Sergeant
But there IS a canon ! Blade Runner, but most people seem to swerve from that reference - skylendar
That won't be Purefold's canon due to rights issues. Purefold will take the near future, media saturated setting and the premise of what does it mean to be human and that's it. Purefold will therefore need to be populated with new characters, devices, backstories, factions, ideolgies etc. - Graham Sergeant
D. Bausola clearly stated that Purefold will be based upon BR. That's why I proposed a poll. Does the audience want a BR based Purefold or not... - skylendar
Shared theme only: "With a central theme 'What does it mean to be human?', the franchise explores the subject of empathy - a shared theme with Ridley Scott’s most compelling Science Fiction movie, Blade Runner." http://www.ag8.com/purefold - Graham Sergeant
D. Bausola has said just below: Crowdsourcing + Open Source + Blade Runner = Purefold - skylendar
For a matter of licence, he can't claim to make an BR's official sequel. I supposethat the licence owner wants exorbitant fees. - skylendar
Exactly. If the licencing issue ever gets sorted out, it would be a different story. - Graham Sergeant
The various episodes of a TV series have all differnet stories, but the background remains the same - skylendar
We should stick to BR look and feel, even if the storyline changes - skylendar
What does audience care about when very confused? A sense of gravity may drive loyalty which may be comprised of reinforcing factors, such as identifying with characters, or recognizing a social condition such as consequences of seeming disappearance of authority, cultural shifts or integration, or learning about surviving in turbulent times when rules seem to change against them, fahn... more... - Test Information Space
skyelendar's "differnet stories" more please... - meika loofs samorzewski
PK Dick might have found augmented reality apps relevant to this effort. - Test Information Space
skylendar
Ok, let's have a try. What do I need if I want to contribute to Purefold ?
1. A massively popular contribution to top out FriendFeed and garner attention from the editorial team. - Graham Sergeant
Just spotted this - sorry - we've been out and about a lot. - zeroinfluencer
A friendfeed account and your imagination, is the short answer. Once we set off the feeds and initiatives, it will become really clear - if not really obvious. We're not pushing anything out yet until we have everything set up with the partners. - zeroinfluencer
Ok, I stay tuned. I expect things to be sorted out within 2-3 months - skylendar
skylendar
Ok, let's have a try. What do I need if I want to contribute to Purefold ?
Good question... it's all a bit nebulous. - Graham Sergeant
I was told that I need a twitter account, but what else ? - skylendar
Share this to Purefold Discussions and David Bausola/Zeroinfluencer for an answer from the horses mouth. - Graham Sergeant
skylendar
Don't you think that it is time for a poll ?
We have essentially 2 options: either you stick to BR, which remains a pessimistic and grim movie, or you may choose something more optimistic, like Star Trek, with its spadefuls of clichés: lasers, teleportation and robots obeying "laws". It seems to me that plenty of people here would prefer the second solution, hence a possible poll in order to make sure. - skylendar
Al Robertson
One more version of the future - ANT MEGA-COLONY TAKES OVER THE WORLD! Social as much as physical evolution, tho' perhaps also implying that the most effective world colonisers are species with simple chemical non-aggression triggers, rather than (like us) complex social ones - http://news.bbc.co.uk/earth...
Are we more complex? In as much as we have a greater range simple chemical triggers for our social intelligence to emerge from. - Graham Sergeant
Bad example. Ants can be extremely aggressive in order to defend their colonies. - skylendar
More aggressive than human beings? The analogy holds. - Graham Sergeant
It's the simple rule set that Ants (like bacteria) use that make them so seemingly organised - humans have 'lost' that through religion, language grammar, tool making. Or rather, we haven't found a way to look out our species in a simple way. Our best hope at this is the understanding of emergence, how our 'pure' personal activities are all folded into culture, communities and communication is something I'm interested in. - zeroinfluencer
Consider also the ant colony analogy for the mind or neural network rather than for our society. An ant then is a thought or idea that navigates an open network of opportunities and pitfalls, bringing in other related ant-thoughts to assist in the mission for cognitive resonance and realisation. - Graham Sergeant
Don't forget that we have been created by mother Nature. We are a part of her despite our so-called civilisation. Actually, we aren't more evil than her. - skylendar
Created or emerged? Evil or amoral? - Graham Sergeant
right. Nature is amoral. Evil is just a human spiritual determination. - skylendar
Teilo Trimble
The problem with Hollywood which is the pinnacle of popularist publication is its lack of ideas and diversity. Isn't this a rather desperate attempt to trawl the internet collating the masses feeds, then by using the same elite groups of producers turning this mass subconsciousness into a publication that reduces the risk for advertisers?
To us, the real job, i.e. finding out fresh and valuable ideas, and to them, the $$$$$ - skylendar
Skylender - could you, like Teilo, give us some info about yourself? - your background and interests etc - zeroinfluencer
The question is true in part, we are finding ways to reduce waste in the production process. Equally, our aim is to make the content more relevant to the participants. Purefold is designed to work with each user at the centre of the experience. - zeroinfluencer
To some extent this is what writers have always done; trawl the culture for inspiration. For me, what stops it from being *more elite locked corporate culture* is the built in Creative Commons license; it can't be elite if anyone can do anything with it, and then release the results anywhere. - Al Robertson
There is maybe a slighly better explanation: due to the crisis and the piracy, the bankers have become rather tight-fisted, even fearful, and want solid guarantees before financing any new product. Hence the purefold project, which is a kind of poll to ensure that the serie will meet its audience. As to me, I'm an old BR fan, and I would like to find out again the same fascinating atmosphere, the same existential questions as in BR. - skylendar
I think the real question, then, is this: what is inherently wrong with tailoring a product to its target audience? It seems like that's already done with nearly every product or service on the market. Isn't participatory design simply the natural extension of that practice? - John Porter
I dont think theres anything wrong with tailoring something for a target audience especially if your developing a brand in the same space: for that brand its a more expedient process but will it make the product any better? The question is whatever is produced from this new process will it reflect diversity and originality? It might be a very good process for producing a better tin of beans but is this the way to produce a product with artistic qualities? - Teilo Trimble
But it seems like you're implying that the *placed products* are what are being crowdsourced. As I understand it, the products that we'll see in Purefold content are already developed prototypes/concepts. Purefold is going to be near-future fiction dealing with social issues relating to empathy (etc.), and it is the subject matter, environments, characters, and stories that will be... more... - John Porter
I'm sorry if it seems to you as if I'm implying purefold will create any new brands or products be they tins of beans, widgets or whatever ...although as I think about it "crowdsourcing" would probably help create better products through a massive consultative process.... however my question isn't that at all - I want to know if its proposed we use this purefold to create art? - Teilo Trimble
[peering through huge, Tyrell-style eyeglasses] "COMMERCE... is our goal here at Purefold. 'More viral than a virus' is our motto." :-D - Karim
Karim - that's the human species in an anthropomorphic nutshell. - zeroinfluencer
Don't mistake technical prowess for empathy. Humanity relies on stories not technology. Purefold's success relies solely upon whether it can engage and communicate to an audience. The audience doesn't always want to watch a story that they have suggested. Brands should never lead the conversation, they should heed their values and become the conversation. Surprise us. Or is Purefold... more... - Johnny Blank
They don't have any story. They expect us to provide them with it. - skylendar
skylender, not quite true. We are inviting you to introduce stories AND play with ours. Our stories are being prepared for public consumption. - zeroinfluencer
Ok David, Where's your story? Show me yours and I'll show you mine! - Teilo Trimble
Ok, I could provide you with a story and characters, but will you take it into account ? My vision and tastes are not necessarily shared with everyone here. - skylendar
The Purefold FF community will be the judge of that. - Graham Sergeant
skylender, looking forward to your contributions. - zeroinfluencer
skylendar
Ridley Scott also stated that he got his inspiration from some Films noirs, and from Métal hurlant.
Among the artists who published in this magazine, I would quote Bilal, Mœbius, and I think the unavoidable Philippe Druillet. http://www.druillet.com/galerie... - skylendar
I suggest on the fly the Druillet's demented, baroque and psychedelic comics: The Lone Sloane's 6 journeys, Delirius, etc... - skylendar
Those are great artists you cite there. If you watch the Dangerous Days documentary included in the extras of the definitive edition of Blade Runner, there's a very poignant talking head with Tony, Ridley's brother where he talks about their childhood in the north east of England, the smokestacks of the steel works and the French comic books he used to read. Tony's impression of Blade... more... - Graham Sergeant
yes, I know this documentary... :-) - skylendar
Even 37 years after its publication, the Lone Sloane's 6 journeys remains dazzling with its entrancing horror, its megalomania - skylendar
Kol Tregaskes
I thought while I am watching I, Robot, I'd ask your thoughts on the "laws" for robots:
Law I: A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm - Kol Tregaskes
Law II: A robot must obey orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the first law - Kol Tregaskes
Law III: A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the first and second law - Kol Tregaskes
Should such a robot have more "laws" for instance? Are these laws good enough? Is there a loophole? - Kol Tregaskes
Almost all of Asimov's Robots stories (including the original short, "I, Robot" on which the film was based) are essentially vehicles for discussing interpretations of these laws, the possibility of adding new laws, what happens when the laws conflict etc etc. Deeply fascinating stuff. - Slappy Line
Law IV: A robot is limited to ten tweets per day. - Rishabh Mishra (p248)
For instance, the possibility was discussed of a prime or "zero'th" law - a robot may not harm mankind or through inaction allow mankind to come to harm. The robot R.Daneel Olivaw is observant of this law, carrying it through to the Foundation prelude series. - Slappy Line
This prime law makes it possible for a robot to kill or harm a human being, but only where it has calculated that it will protect humanity as a whole from suffering harm. - Slappy Line
The scene with the demolition robot backs these laws! - Kol Tregaskes
Law V: A robot may be Vice-President, but not President of the United States of America - Karim
Of course, there is always the possibility you can have too many laws. Even with just the three or four, it's possible for a robot to become conflicted (each law is given a "weight" which is balanced against the need to perform the task at hand) and cease function. They made use of this with one of the robocop films, where they gave him hundreds of silly, pointless and contradictory... more... - Slappy Line
Still swimming in the sixties ? - skylendar
What does that mean, skylender? Even my PARENTS were kids in the 60s - Slappy Line
skylendar
Ah, another glitch in the open source model
we can't reckon the audience as a person with a unique and coherent mind. We, the audience, are rather a group of people with sometimes diametrically opposite tastes and options. So, you have to make a choice, and probably disappoint a large chunk of your audience. - skylendar
BR remains a grim, pessimistic and desperate movie; in one word, a tragedy, and I love it for that. Perhaps you still regard it as a reference, but some people, if not most, would prefer something more optimistic, more tech-oriented, like Star Trek. So, eventually, you may satisfy me or them, but not both of us. - skylendar
zeroinfluencer
"The idea of a DIY electronic washing machine using recycling parts and Open source microcontroller was born in spring 2008 during an Open Source Hardware workshop for artists in Craslab Paris. We had to rethink the economical, sociological and technical concepts of washing clothes in a consciousness of sustainable development and respect of the natural and human environment. We had to rethink the implication of technology in simple daylife, through the millenary painful activity of washing clothes." - zeroinfluencer from Bookmarklet
The problem with open source is that you can maybe duplicate a program or an idea, it's immaterial, but not a piece of hardware. So, the open source policy, by nature, can't satisfy all our needs. The fancy for open source will show its limits: in our case, you cannot open source an actor, a cameraman, a script girl. - skylendar
Acting and Camera Operators are based upon a 'commons' being available - it's how any personas and skills are developed. Their output is not always so open as their work is generally owned via the traditional financing/distributor/exhibitor models. Most acting is piracy. - zeroinfluencer
Eric Logan
How to Use Python to Collect Data from the Web [From Drew Conway] | Computational Legal Studies - http://computationallegalstudies.com/2009...
How to Use Python to Collect Data from the Web [From Drew Conway] | Computational Legal Studies
We wanted to highlight a couple of very interesting posts by Drew Conway of Zero Intelligence Agents. While not simple, the programming language python offers significant returns upon investment. From a data acquisition standpoint, python has made what seemed impossible quite possible. As a side note, this code looks like our first Bommarito led Ann Arbor Python Club effort to download and process NBA Box Scores…. you know it is all about trying to win the fantasy league…! - Eric Logan from Bookmarklet
No more than any other language, actually - skylendar
Nick Taylor
One of my favorite subjects - the Science Fiction Singularity - this weird zone where predictions made in Sci-Fi movies rapidly become ridiculously outdated (or worse still, true) but... paradoxically, the rate of innovation of predicted technologies (like solar-on-everything, cell-phone-projectors, all manner of robotics) seems glacially slow.
I wonder if the slowness of innovation is a stubborn need for each of us to avoid making stuff. Making stuff, lots of it, is no easy task. Then disseminating the ideas, the need, then distribution, the list goes on. Also known as enterprise, which historically has been a little overly focused on money only. The shift in focus to broader bottom line (social, environmental) will tip the scale. I am interested in how enterprise will be affected by it. Purefold, that is. - Mary Anne Davis
You can't make an innovation like you buy a sixpack of beers in a shop. Innovation remains a complex process with its usual burden of unexpected problems, glitches, illusions, wrong paths, mistakes, etc... - skylendar
Btw, is a faster processor a real innovation ??? - skylendar
I read Orwell's 1984 in 1984 and it didn't represent the world I lived in or one that I could imagine happening in the future. I re-read it last year and it very accurately described Britain in early 21st century. It's important to remember that as a society we can move backwards as well as forwards. - Oskar Werner
"as a society we can move backwards as well as forwards" -- that is scarily true! Good point Oskar - Graham Sergeant
You should also consider that at the moment, and in a sizeable chunk of "foreseeable" future, there is no homogeneous global society. What an average person in USA or UK takes for granted, for millions is an unachievable future, and for other millions might not be even something they want to have. - Michael Bravo
Marcus Brown
two years from now is not science fiction.
right - skylendar
reminded me of the famous Gibson quote, "The future's already here -- it's just not evenly distributed." - Karim
"You remember we said there's no future? Well, this is it..." - Blank Reg in "Max Headroom". Gibson is a God. I wish he would get back to the future. The neoliberal present is less interesting than his Reaganomic tomorrow, both need updating... - Rob Myers from email
heh, let me show you something I have mirrored years ago (the original page has long gone out of existence) - http://mbravo.spb.ru/winterm... (frames were a relatively new invention back then) - Michael Bravo
This strikes me as a somewhat ridiculous statement. What exactly are you trying to say? Science-fiction has little temporal restriction. There is no rule that says sci-fi must be set in the distant future. At the rate that technology advances (which is increasing geometrically in and of itself), we have no idea where we'll be scientifically. Fiction set two years from now could easily be both fantastic yet scientifically sound. - John Porter
John, i disagree with "we have no idea where we'll be at scientifically." many things might be *possible* in the next two years, but not all things are equally *probable.* for example, there's a consortium of semiconductor companies that create a roadmap for chip design over the next 15 years (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...). they try to describe challenges to the industry and predict how computer chips will change over the next 15 years. - Karim
they think that we will be at a 22 nm process in two years. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...) they do NOT think that you will be carrying around a sentient AI in your pocket based on neuromorphic memristor technology. the former is a cool future product but it's not science fiction. the latter is science fiction. - Karim
We live in the event horizon - Real time comms = the future(no lag)! - Richard
The Terminator's set now (well, 198- whenever) but it's science fiction; what matters is not the time the story's set, but the technology you introduce into it, and the way you track the social / related effects of that technology. - Al Robertson
future = fabrication = fiction. 5 mins in the future is fiction. i guess the science bit is just stylistic. - Mike Laurie
"As a science fiction writer, I'm interested in the next 5 minutes" JG Ballard... Near future/ speculative science fiction is one of many sub genres of science fiction. Where would you draw the line? How long does it take for a game changing scientific breakthrough to be made? - Graham Sergeant
Good point Al... science fiction can even be set in the past especially with but not limited to time travel yarns. - Graham Sergeant
Ho yes - much of Neal Stephenson's recent stuff (for example) is historical but also working in a very science fictional way, because it's dealing with the impact of new technologies on a given society. In fact now you point it out 'The Terminator' is not the best example, because even though it's set in the present, it has the future in it. Come to think of it, uber SF movie 'Star Wars' is set (very deliberately) 'A long, long time ago...'! - Al Robertson
Eric Logan
A powerful artificial intelligence won't spring from a sudden technological 'big bang', it's already evolving symbiotically along with us. I AM A MACHINE. So are you. Of all the hypotheses I've held during my 30-year career, this one in particular has been central to my research in robotics and artificial intelligence. I, you, our family, friends and dogs – we all are machines. We are really sophisticated machines made up of billions and billions of biomolecules that interact according to well-defined (though not completely known) rules, deriving from physics and chemistry. The biomolecular interactions taking place inside our heads give rise to our intellect, our feelings, our sense of self. Accepting this hypothesis opens up a remarkable possibility. If we really are machines and if – this is a big if – we learn the rules governing our brains, then in principle there's no reason why we shouldn't be able to replicate those rules in, say, silicon and steel. I believe such a creation... more... - Eric Logan from Bookmarklet
Just a naïve belief - skylendar
Heh. Skylendar: official pessimist of Purefold. - John Porter
But Blade Runner IS a pessimistic movie... Be pessimistic, it's cool, pretty trendy.. :-) - skylendar
But...but...unicorns!! What's happier than unicorns!? - John Porter
A pessimist when things go awry - skylendar
Marcus Brown
Can I invent a charachter? I've been working on something which has been inspired by purefold and would like to officially introduce it to the project.
Why not.... - skylendar
Do it! - zeroinfluencer
We are about to launch our open source character development tools, but get cracking with the design (personas are everything.) - zeroinfluencer
Sounds cool, David. - Kol Tregaskes
But before developing any new character, one should have a better knowledge, abetter vision of its environment, the world in which it lives. I say that because I'm not sure that the world you intend to create is the same as the one described in BR - skylendar
I am Marcus' charachter. Call me Daniel. - My Name is Daniel
Kol Tregaskes
How many years from now will the first Artificial Intelligences show up which are able to pass the Turing Test? (via http://friendfeed.com/tad...)
5. - DGentry
Even if it passes the Turing test, you wouldn't have any proof that your so-called AI is intelligent, since we still don't know what intelligence or awareness are. - skylendar
That's interesting, why do you think that even if it passes the Turing test, I wouldn't have any proof that my so-called AI is intelligent? [ ;-) ] - Rob Myers from email
Have you heard of the Gödel's theorem ? - skylendar
Yes, but since AI won't be trying to represent mathematically unrepresentable mathematical truths I don't think it has much bearing on AI. - Rob Myers from email
How many times in history, experts or specialists were lured by appareances and gave wrong diagnoses. There is a large discrepancy between belief and facts. A human believing that he is talking to another human even if he doesn't see him, doesn't mean that he is right. Turing probably invented this makeshift because he was (and we still are) unable to understand what intelligence is. - skylendar
Have a look over there: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... and see how the epistemological value of this test is weak. - skylendar
Adam Norbury
I love the enthusiasm folded around the inevitable point where the web becomes ubiquitous, computers become self aware, and all information is available all the time, but what of the infrastructure, the real world or "meat space"?
Long live the new Flesh? http://www.youtube.com/watch... - zeroinfluencer
Isn't it all a house built on sand? I know my internet connection is flakey at the best of times :) - Adam Norbury
Storytelling wont be confined to internet delivery - the open licence means that the narratives can evolve off screen too. (comics, games, mouse mats: what ever is need to convey the story) - zeroinfluencer
Interesting and difficult to grasp at the same time, non-linear storytelling or parallel storytelling maybe? - Adam Norbury
Inevitable ? - skylendar
Preventable? - zeroinfluencer
How can you predict self-aware computers whereas we still don't know what awareness is ? - skylendar
Graham Sergeant
High-Altitude Wind Machines Could Power New York City: http://www.wired.com/wiredsc... (via http://friendfeed.com/jouzta...)
I'm guessing green tech will be a big feature for Purefold. - Graham Sergeant
The Blade Runner world was utterly polluted, with huge chimneys throwing flames - skylendar
The inspiration for the Hades landscape we see in the opening shot of Blade Runner comes from the Teeside steel plant: http://www.bbc.co.uk/tees... It's a reference to our world and as we look to redress the balance of industry and nature, will Purefold reflect this? - Graham Sergeant
skylendar
I wonder if the word "Blade Runner" has been merely used as a bait, and the purefold project will yield something quite different, i.e. video clips stuffed with ads. It seems to me that what made Blade runner so unique, is its atmosphere, its décors its dazzling music.
I watched your video, and you were essentially talking about purefold as a business model, not a word about the spirit of blade runner. If you are unable to understand that, you will disappoint your audience and your "product" will be driven to the purgatory of failure - skylendar
Hey Skylender. You're right, the talk was based upon the business model - which is based upon the theme of the movie (what does it mean to be human) and how it relates to the deep human need to sharing - which we do through network communications. The movie gives many insights into what the future could be, coupled with it's unique aesthetic mix. Sorry we didn't labor the presentation... more... - zeroinfluencer
skylendar
Purefold is the contrary of Blade Runner
In the film, most characters, Deckard, Batty, Zhora, were cold-blooded killers, not whining poor little things. They weren't supposed to feel empathy. - skylendar
Marcus Brown
Carl Rogers - Humanistic Therapy Modality ... or Client-Centered (Empathy) Therapy - http://sciencestage.com/v...
Carl Rogers - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...: Nineteen Propositions His theory (as of 1951) was based on nineteen propositions[6]: 1. All individuals (organisms) exist in a continually changing world of experience (phenomenal field) of which they are the centre. 2. The organism reacts to the field as it is experienced and perceived. This perceptual field is "reality" for the individual. 3. The organism reacts as an organized whole to this phenomenal field. 4. A portion of the total perceptual field gradually becomes differentiated as the self. 5. As a result of interaction with the environment, and particularly as a result of evaluational interaction with others, the structure of the self is formed - an organised, fluid but consistent conceptual pattern of perceptions of characteristics and relationships of the "I" or the "me", together with values attached to these concepts.... - Marcus Brown
The Fully Functioning Person Optimal development, as referred to in proposition 14, results in a certain process rather than static state. He describes this as the good life where the organism continually aims to fulfill their full potential. He listed characteristics of a fully functioning person (Rogers 1961[9]): 1. A growing openness to experience – they move away from defensiveness... more... - Marcus Brown
I hate the word "functionning person" when talking about a human being. A human lives, a machine is functionning. There is something totalitarian in that kind of explanations - skylendar
Eric Logan
Tractates Cryptica Scriptura – Philip K. Dick | Paul2eD - http://paul2ed.com/tractat...
Tractates Cryptica Scriptura – Philip K. Dick | Paul2eD
* The phenomenal world does not exist; it is a hypostasis of the information processed by the Mind. * We hypostatize information into objects. Rearrangement of objects is change in the content of the information; the message has changed. This is a language which we have lost the ability to read. We ourselves are a part of this language; changes in us are changes in the content of the information. We ourselves are information-rich; information enters us, is processed and is then projected outward once more, now in an altered form. We are not aware that we are doing this, that in fact this is all we are doing. * The changing information which we experience as world is an unfolding narrative. It tells about the death of a woman. This woman, who died long ago, was one of the primordial twins. She was half of the divine syzygy. The purpose of the narrative is the recollection of her and of her death. The Mind does not wish to forget her. Thus the ratiocination of the Brain consists of a... more... - Eric Logan from Bookmarklet
The classical idealistic dogma - skylendar
it has a slightly erotic touch, nice! a bit kitschy too, even nicer! - Jacob
The belief that the world is a creation of our mind - skylendar
zeroinfluencer
I'm going to be looking for some beta testers for the Purefold character development tools. You'll need a Twitter account, knowledge of Python (the language not the species), a server which you have admin rights to and desire to keep a secret. Any takers?
I'd do it but I have no idea about Python. :-( - Kol Tregaskes
How's your unix skills? - zeroinfluencer
I'm no dev, sorry. I can admin a WordPress site OK, I can use web tools to create a web site (like the Bitmaps one) but that's my limit I'm afraid. - Kol Tregaskes
I would like to ... have unix skills and vps server with root access ... not really bright on python though - Jesse Wynants
Python knowledge will help with debugging the installation (if need be). It's fairly simple, as we have guides/manual etc. - zeroinfluencer
I'm more a user-end tester. - Kol Tregaskes
Kol - ok - having you as a spectator will be useful. - zeroinfluencer
OK. :-) - Kol Tregaskes
Can we sub to the Development group BTW? I see it it private. - Kol Tregaskes
What do I have to do then? - Chris Billett
We'll have a new group for 'Staging'. That private group is messy. - zeroinfluencer
Chris, we'll brief all in due course. - zeroinfluencer
Rob will be here in a mo with the specs required to get involved. - zeroinfluencer
I'm currently doing scripting for a war sim using LUA which is supposedly very similar to Python... can I play? - Graham Sergeant
The server requires Python 2.4+ plus some easily installed libraries. It's been developed on GNU/Linux but should run on MacOS X. There's scripts to help with starting and stopping it, and scripts to help with developing resources for it, but you will need at least some basic command-line ability. Resources are written in YAML, which is an easy freeform data format. - Rob Myers
Graham, does ^ answer your question? (You will need a server to play - the character system is designed to be highly distributed - no central control from us.) - zeroinfluencer
sign me up - Saul Albert
Lets find out... where's the libraries? I'll grab Python - Graham Sergeant
Oh wait a minute... says I need a twitter account... I'm FF all the way I'm afraid ;-) - Graham Sergeant
I'm tentatively in - Petros Lafazanidis
Graham, get yourself on Twitter. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes
Saul and Petros - awesome (disclaimer from me - I know these guys, in fact, I'm their fanboy) - zeroinfluencer
For you then Kol... - Graham Sergeant
;-) You can follow me at: http://twitter.com/koltreg... but I warn you not to as it's a very noisy feed. - Kol Tregaskes
Ok am tweeting now - Graham Sergeant
@replayzero would like to participate :) - Richard
If there's no real Python wizardry involved (I'm on the level of having read halfway through the Guido's tutorial, plus experience of barging through stuff I need to admin without deep knowledge of the code), I volunteer. I have twitter, I have a server I run (Debian-based), and as far as I know, no secrets have leaked through me. (oh, and the server name is wintermute, which probably should be a bonus point :)))) ) - Michael Bravo
yes, please, have basic coding skills, basic *nix installation skills, not much experience with python per se, I'll dedicate a linux box to it if needed - meika loofs samorzewski
I'm a developer on linux, but I don't use python much, and I can't use my server for other purposes than professional ones. - skylendar
Michael - cool! - zeroinfluencer
Meika - nice! - zeroinfluencer
Skylender - ok - what does that mean? - zeroinfluencer
I just mean that I develop and administrate a linux server but I don't use python. That's all - skylendar
my bandwidth in Tasmania will be not impressive tho, the internet has no geography but the series of tubes do - meika loofs samorzewski
Actually, I also use python, but juste for kleenex scripts - skylendar
python isn't my usual language for developing, rather C/C++, perl, bash etc... - skylendar
Richard - kewl. - zeroinfluencer
meika - the processor and bandwidth footprint is tiny per character. if you have a 100 characters on the same box, then you might strain. - zeroinfluencer
skylender - ok - you wont have to do any coding. Just understand what it is and how to install the libraries etc. - zeroinfluencer
arh, an old box then - meika loofs samorzewski
Before being invelved, I want better information about the purefold project. Everything is still pretty hazy - skylendar
involved - skylendar
flag me as intrigued and capable. - Dave Mee
sky, np - will be posting our talk about Purefold from yesterday later today. Explains a lot. But not everything. Post me a question as a new thread here. - zeroinfluencer
ok, I wait. So... - skylendar
Dave, v. cool. - zeroinfluencer
will you use real actors, or 3D animations ? - skylendar
Well if there are clear instructions and no coding is needed I might be able to help then. :-) - Kol Tregaskes
Let us know what you need. www.agentblank.com :-) - Johnny Blank
First of all, clear and honest information - skylendar
I am Interested. Will brush up on Python. Quick study. Unix, Patch, C and Cobol :) - Eric Logan
I'm also interested, but clear info first - skylendar
Cheers Eric. - zeroinfluencer
Thanks Johnny - zeroinfluencer
I might be interested. I have a twitter account & a server with Python. But I don't know much about Python. I'm a PHP dev. - arjo
arjo - that 's fine. - zeroinfluencer
lol i'm with kol - Marco(aureliusmaximus)
in. - Marcus Brown
I know python, have a twitter a/c, and a home pc I can use as a server. - Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
How is the testing going? - Kol Tregaskes
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