Commodore 64 right after the 5.25 floppy drive came out, never had the cassette drive
- Jeff Quinton
PC/XT clone. Two floppy drives, no hard disk, 640KB RAM.
- Morton Fox
Commodore 64 and a dot matrix printer. That's right. No floppy and no cassette drive. Everything I did I had to program in BASIC, print out, and then type it all in again when I wanted to do it again. That lasted for about three months before I came home from school one random day to find a 1541 and a copy of Zork II waiting for me. My parents rocked.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I had the 1541, the monitor and the C-64 together
- Jeff Quinton
via school I first used and programmed a Commodore PET at school to print out bad words. First home computer was an Atari 400 with an awesome membrane keyboard.
- Shawn McCollum
Commodore VIC-20. With a cassette drive. Bought with my own money back in 1983, when I was 13. "Press PLAY on tape..."
- Joey Gibson
Amiga 500 with two floppy drives and an internal clock. Previously used a friend's C-64
- Nathan Howell
Commodore VIC-20. Got it for Christmas in 1981. Added the cassette drive later.
- Michael Hocter
Technically my first computer was an Atari 400, but we just used it as a game console and never got the BASIC cartridge nor the tape drive. The first computer I really used was a Commodore 64 with a 1541 floppy drive. 6502-based machines rock!
- Victor Ganata
Sinclair Spectrum ZX80, I think my Mum still has it in the cupboard!
- Sally Church
First one I really used a lot (but it didn't belong to me): a Xerox 860 dedicated word processor with dual 8" floppy drives, a black-on-white, vertical WYSIWYG monitor, and a touchpad cursor controller, back in 1982 at my student job in an office at MIT
- John McCrea
Sinclair ZX81. Eventually upgraded the 1K RAM to a 64K RAM pack, complete with "wobble" (you had to employ blue tac to prevent crashes). Also had a "dot matrix" printer, which worked by setting fire to silver-coated paper. Hi-res graphics were 256x192, but required "fast mode", in which display turned to static whilst calculating. So many happy memories.
- Neil Saunders
A Coleco ADAM was technically my first PC, but quickly moved to an original IBM PC (5150) dual-floppy with AST SixPackPlus bringing main memory to 640K, CGA card and modem, Hays 1200 baud modem.
- Phil G
TRS-80 Model III, with the 16K RAM upgrade and no floppies, just the Radio-Shack cassette recorder. Dancing Demon was one of my favorite apps. Later, I got dual disk drives for Christmas, which I believe costed my Dad $600 or so.
- Paul Salzman
from twhirl
COSMAC ELF with 2-digit hex display, hex entry keypad, and 256 BYTES of RAM. You guys with the Sinclairs and the Colecos and the Commodores don't know how well you have it. We had to program the ELF from a cardboard box in the middle of the freeway, and wake up before we went to bed.
- Glen Campbell, B.A.
Acorn Electron, followed by an ancient Commodore 8032SK, then another Electron, then my first PC, a Watford Aries running an NEC V20 processor at about 12MHz with 1Meg RAM, two 5 1/4 inch floppies and a 250Meg MFM Hard Drive..
- Slippy "Threadsbane" Lane
What? Who's looking up this stuff? And why?
- Ro (Lilyhill)
This matters because Palin and McCain say it matters. They brandish "family values" like a weapon, as if Dems don't have any.
- Kawika Holbrook
Always a problem knowing or some how attached to a person that becomes famous for something. The Spot Light of the media and others is huge. They look at everyone. Just wonder how many degrees of separation is required to feel safe?
- CW™
Oh man, these guys are great. Back when they were getting started I helped them out with some paid advertising, I am really glad to see that they are doing better than ever. And the bacon salt is great too, I can vouch for it!
- Aaron Krug
I must not understand enough about what the 96 team did wrong because it sounded to me like it was obvious trickery.
- tarahog1980
from twhirl
I don't understand this either. How can you bodyslam some teams for pieces or parts that could be considered pushing the envelope, while giving a slap on the wrist to a team that was obviously trying to break the rules?
- Adam
Just another example of 'consistency', courtesy of NASCAR. I don't think we are meant to understand.
- Slobokan
And to think NASCAR was just last week wondering whether or not the candidates would show up at the track. I guess they don't have to worry about Obama's lack of NASCAR participation. I wonder how much this is going to cost the campaign.
- tarahog1980
I am surprised that he did not want to sponsor Montoya's car & hit another group of voters. I do hope they put protective shields around Ken's car, just in case.
- Sheryl Loch
makes you wonder if Obama's secret service detail told him it wouldn't me wise to show up in person.
- msphotogirl
I don't think all fans are republican but I do probably think that the majority are. I think most drivers are probably republican as well. JMO.
- tarahog1980
Thank God, Karah, I thought I was the only Democrat around. Probably more Independent, but definitely lean towards the left a lot more than the right. That side, not sure this will help him any.
- Adam
Please tallglassofmilk, don't kick Karah and I out of your Room. lol
- Adam
I'm writing in Jamie McMurray for president.
- rivensky
NASCAR.com reporting that Obama isn't sponsoring a car (http://snurl.com/2x3it). BAM Racing made the proposal, but Obama declined. Who knows, they could have been gauging the reaction. Let the story leak that a proposal was on the table, see what the reaction was, and then decline it once they realized that it probably wouldn't help the campaign. Would be a smart move. Of course, not sure it would take a rocket scientist to realize NASCAR fans aren't his base.
- Adam
Fast Comapny taking down all the negative reviews on Scoble and Shel's show. I have never taken down a bad review. Go look at my site for chrissakes. No balls, no conversation, no nothing, the charade is ending for Scoble and his ilk.
some of the comments I saw before they got deleted were maybe harsh but they weren't personal attacks. they were about the quality of the show not about attacking you or shel. you just deleted every negative comment.
- Marcel Weiß
All comments except one sycophantic one was deleted. And that one looked like it was written by PR. I am really surprised. My suggestion would be to turn off comments. FastCompany is a censor? That's not something their PR people would like as a lead item.
- Frank Roche
To all the folks crying here -- Here is an idea. Create a better show you can. And please don't whine if your comments got deleted. Don't want to get your comments deleted - here is an idea - setup your blog, write a blog post on your blog criticizing to your hearts content. Nobody will delete that.
- Vic Podcaster
Is there any way to delete @vic's comment here? It seems overly negative and sarcastic.
- Frank Roche
This cottage industry that has formed around criticizing Robert and Shel is getting tired and worn. I think the people who are complaining are being disingenuous when they say they are just looking after SAP's money. No one seems to complain about the production quality of certain poorly lit loudmouths spewing in front of an isight. The censorship issue is clearly a red herring. I think someone is jealous of a couple of guys who actually have a sponsorship.
- Oldengrey (Jay)
The comments were attacks and were not constructive criticism.
- Robert Scoble
That's simply not true. I read the comments myself. They were hardly personal attacks.
- J T. Ramsay
Robert, please define "constructive criticism" as you see it. It makes no sense that some of those comments were deleted.
- Slobokan
@Scoble - you are normally pretty open about stuff. But your reply seems like a pretty lame cop-out.
- Tom Quinn
blackmailismylife: well, we judged them as attacks. There is, like Jay noted, a group of anonymous people who are just saying negative things about Shel in a way that's personal and attackive. I'm not going to put up with it anymore, at least on FastCompany.tv. Wanna do it somewhere else, like here, fine.
- Robert Scoble
Constructive Criticism: next time ask a question without saying "um." Attack: you're an idiot.
- Robert Scoble
Jay: that's cool. Comment policy is important. It's not that I'm getting it right. I used to be far more open to letting people post whatever they want, but I'm definitely changing my view to match what you posted.
- Robert Scoble
I used to run a pretty busy community driven website, and was continually surprised at the amount of time and effort people would put into fighting with each other over the most petty and seemingly innocuous things.
- Jonathan Beckett
Tony: we wrote a book together, are friends, and I like him a lot -- he's helped launch dozens of companies in Silicon Valley. Loyalty in life has served me well.
- Robert Scoble
Tony: well, there will be major changes to the show starting on Friday. I'd love to hear your feedback about how the show goes. Your feedback IS being heard.
- Robert Scoble
1938 should shut up and move on. This crap only gets press because people keep trying to create a scandal.
- Andrew Ruess
from twhirl
The expression "jackalling" is sometimes used to describe the work done by a subordinate in order to save the time of a superior. (For example, a junior lawyer may peruse large quantities of material on behalf of a barrister.) This came from the tradition that the jackal will sometimes lead a lion to its prey. In other languages, the same word is sometimes used to describe the behavior...
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- Oldengrey (Jay)
Trying to create a scandal? Naw, I don't think so. I think people are just concerned about legitimate comments being deleted from fastcompany.tv. It reeks of censorship from within, and it does not look good from the outside.
- Slobokan
Censorship is an issue here. Deleting comments after the fact is not a good thing. If you don't have a policy then at least have comments placed in moderation first so they never appear. The fact that they were public and then removed just looks bad.
- Tom Quinn
Only one of the negative comments was preserved in Google's cache, but I for one would have left it up. Yes, it included the statement "Shel...do yourself a favor and go away," but it did include a valid comment about having the subject of the video actually appear within the first two minutes of the video.
- Ontario Emperor
@Ontario Emperor: Just Googled the comment you mentioned. Reading the whole comment I can see why it was deleted. Have I read worse comments on say Digg? Yes, but let's agree it would have been fine for the person to leave their feedback that they wanted to see the guest Tim Ferris before 2:27 minutes into the show, sign their name to it, and leave it at that.
- Loren Heiny
Someone should setup a comment mirror site or a wayback machine of sorts for blog comments.
- Eddie Codel
Sometimes bad PR may be good PR and I wanted to watch the interview myself: But I have a question Is there a low(er) bandwidth feed available, preferably without Flash?
- Arnd Gronenberg
Lots of professional media sites remove comments for a number of reasons. I'm happy to review the comments again tonight, but FastCompany’s initial review (they were deleted by a team at FC) were that they were pretty classic “troll” attacks. Sites such as NewYorkTimes.com review all comments for personal attacks before posting comments and we have adopted a considerably more open policy than this. But we'll consider all suggestions as to how we should handle our comment policy.
- Robert Scoble
Mooney: that's not constructive. How would you improve them?
- Robert Scoble
You know who you remind me of? The U.S. Government, you subdue all dissenters
- Andrew Fielding
Andrew: really? I didn't delete your comment here, so that proves you are wrong. There are plenty of ways for you to make personal attacks on the Internet. It's just that we're not going to let you do that on our properties. That's what Valleywag, your blog, or FriendFeed is for.
- Robert Scoble
Mooney: I'll personally review your comments shortly, it's also possible our spam filter is catching some of them. A couple of mine are held in moderation too.
- Robert Scoble
I don't see the big deal. People need to stop hyping this up. Companies have a responsiblity to mitigate risk. Taking down hate speech, abusive language, etc. is not a bad thing. Scoble can use FF, and/or his blog to 'keep the conversation' pure if needed. It's not like FC is the ONLY place for a discussion to occur. 1938media needs to chill.
- Ryan
@Robert - this can be an important point "but FastCompany’s initial review (they were deleted by a team at FC)" - does that mean you and Shel (and I haven't watched, so I don't know) did or did not participate or direct the deletion? Maybe there should be some way to keep the comment, since part of it could be useful, and delete the personal attacks with [PA deleted by admin]
- Sean
Don't see what a lot of people are complaining about. FastCompany has every right to remove comments from their own site. If anyone is upset by this they can post their comments elsewhere. It's not like there's nowhere else to post such comments.
- Paul Grav
I think you may have coined the word 'attackive'. Nicely done!
- Seth Eagelfeld
As far as I see it, a blog author or company has the right to remove whatever comment they want if it reflects negatively on the site or the authors. Free speech is one thing, but it's another when you have someone's name and reputation on the line. I support Robert in the decision. Don't let the trolls bait you anymore.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Thanks for posting the link - but your terms of service open to a blank page (checked on several browsers) and are on fastcompany.com rather than fastcompany.tv - there's no link at all on the fastcompany.tv site - how is someone to know what the comment policy is? Can anyone actually open the terms of service link on fastcompany.com??
- Matt Craven
There's nothing censoring you from saying what you want but, when you are on someone else's "turf" ..even if it is virtual turf..it's their rules. They aren't telling you that you can't speak at all or, you can't say something on your own space. They are just making sure their own site has the look and feel they are striving for. Otherwise, everything would turn into Digg or YouTube with comments. It's not "censoring". It's saying "Go somewhere else."
- Candace
Sean: Shel was not involved in deleting the comments. My bosses told me they were doing that and I agreed with them. So, the responsibility is mine, but there is a team watching the comments and deleting ones that aren't constructive criticism.
- Robert Scoble
Seth -- I'm wondering if there's a way to be constructively attackive or if being attackive is inherently personal and destruckive.
- Omar Gallaga
I wasn't making a personal attack, I was just saying using a politically charged analogy to say that I believe deleting anything other than spam or vulgar comments is something that shouldn't be done as it blocks the ability for other readers or viewers as it may be in your case, to see what others are thinking. I do however appreciate that you are taking a stance on this and looking in to it. I was going to say more but it seems that there is a maximum limit for comments on FF.
- Andrew Fielding
Strange, the Service Terms won't load for me. No 404, just no content at all. I value sites that remove nonsense comments and spam, but often find the legitimately critical comments the most interesting. The grey area, of course, is tough, and will obviously piss off people one way or the other. Sometimes the "x comments below your threshold" approach is worth the complexity. Let people see the nonsense if they really want to.
- David Sky
Think you could take a hard lesson from @garyvee - Leave everything up. Taking stuff down leads to harsh discussions like this. Leaving it up rallies your supporters and in the end leaves you better off.
- Mark Drapeau
Weird, I'm getting a blank page now too. I'll get the tech guys to figure that one out. Sorry. I think a server is barfing.
- Robert Scoble
Mark: good point, but this is a business site and we're looking for a different tone to the comment area than, say, you'll see on Gary Vaynerchuk's site, or here on FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
I guess I don't really understand why you folks think that you have some sort of "right" to have your comments--legitimate or otherwise--displayed on FastCompany's site. I'm not a big fan of the material, but I sure don't have any expectation that FC will "publish" my feedback, even if it is constructive. If you want free/open conversation, you have blogs, FF, twitter... lots of venues. Nobody's "rights" are being violated.
- Ken Sheppardson
@Scoble...if this was still your personal site with no affiliation with FastCompany, SAP or any other, would you have handled this the same way?
- ryangraves
At the end of the day, it’s the right of the owner of the blog to have whatever TOS they want. People have to expect that a more mainstream pub will have stricter policies than a personal blog five people read anyway, no? Still, that’s no guarantee because everyone runs things differently. (Just scan the crap on Huffington Post, YouTube or Breitbart and see that TOS mean jack there.) I’ve also seen personal blogs ban people for things like opposing viewpoints. Bottom line: It’s FC’s blog—it’s their rules.
- mtlb
I have to agree with Mark Drapeau. No matter what, it is just better to leave stuff up and let things run their course. If someone attacks and what not, they will slowly lose credibility, even if it doesn't seem that way. I do agree that having people post insulting things is never wanted. When you take an action though you'll always have those ready to pounce and try and discredit you, etc. Just everything in my involvement with online communities has taught me that. Delete dups and link porn lol
- Dean Clark
ryangraves: I've been deleting comments on my personal site too and blocking people here on FriendFeed. I've had enough of jerks in my life. I don't need to have them part of my life anymore.
- Robert Scoble
Ken -- I think it's because people expect guys who are covering Web 2.0 culture to approach it in a Web 2.0 way, not in a "We own this site and can do whatever we want with your (unnecessary) participation" kind of way. I think that's what's angering people. And given the potshots Scoble regularly takes at "Old media" I find it ironic.
- Omar Gallaga
@Mooney: what confuses me is why you or anyone would even want to insult Scoble. he does a very specific thing for a specific audience. he gets incredible access to great companies and people who open up to him because he is genuinely interested in them. that is a rare, valuable thing. he is not the most polished journalist in the world but i and many others are okay with that. i don't like airbrushed journalists who tick off the whos, whats, wheres and whys and move on.
- mike
Dean: I disagree with you. I used to agree. But then I look at how Digg has gone downhill and how YouTube's comments are totally worthless. Omar: Web 2.0 does not mean you have to put up with jerks or trolls. Sorry. If I ever gave you that opinion, then I was wrong.
- Robert Scoble
There's a fine line that needs to be established and enforced with any comment policy, but basically, anywhere you want to be a bully online, if it's not in your own schoolyard, expected it to get deleted. Robert, I think the problem here is that line needs to be more clearly defined.
- Paul Short
Andrew, philosophically i agree with you...but anyone who has run some kind of online forum or even blog comment section can tell you that if you let really aggressive, insulting comments become a regular thing, it can drive away the majority of users who would otherwise have a productive discussion. it's fast company's house and they can throw out whoever they want for whatever they want. that ability can be abused but in this case i think they did the right thing. especially since robert is talking here
- mike
I didn't see the comments, but I saw the video and I wish you had asked Tim more about BodyQUICK. I had to look long and hard to find the ingredients and then showed them to a Herbolist. She was very familiar with all the compounds, but laughed because the best of them would have been cheaply sourced and in minuscule quantities and the rest were fillers.
- paul mooney
Paul: I agree. I'm still trying to figure out where that line is too.
- Robert Scoble
Clearly, personal attacks ought to be axed but the line is fuzzy. I say err on the side of letting negative comments stay and address them head on. A negative comment, even one with a personal attack element, if properly addressed will usually do the trick, at least for the onlookers-- you will not sway the detractor, however. And like David Sky, I find the dissent worthy of notice, not negation.
- Joseph Ferrara.Sellsius
Joseph: I used to agree. But if you let unconstructive comments run rampant it just takes over the tone and things turn worse and worse. It's one thing to do something simple like "I sorta like what you're doing, and here's how to make me really like it..." But it's a whole nother thing to come in and just try to make people feel bad. One is a constructive conversation, the other is just "I'm here to make a political point and rip you down." Er, "I wanna be a jerk."
- Robert Scoble
Mooney: why trust a content site at all? Either you like the content you see there, or you don't. If you care about the stuff you see there, but would get a little more enjoyment out of it if it were a little different, then let's have a conversation about that.
- Robert Scoble
Might it be best to deal with this sort of situation by just following a policy of turning off all comments? I don't just mean on this post in particular, but blogs in general. Push the conversation to platforms like Twitter, FriendFeed, the commentator's own blog, etc. Everybody is free to say what they'd like to say, nobody's forced to provide a platform/audience for views they don't agree with, but yet the material/discussion is still out there for anyone who wants to see it?
- Ken Sheppardson
Should the presidential candidates each have to provide some amount of time, on their dime, at the end of their ads/speeches for the other candidate to respond?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken -- that's a dumb analogy and I mean that in the kindest, most constructive way possible.
- Omar Gallaga
If people dont have the brains to make decent comments, or the balls to name themselves, who cares if they are removed. Robert - Shel, just keep doing what you do well guys.
- Scott Purdie
I admit it. I've deleted some blog and forum comments too as well as edited out foul language when needed--though I'm more likely to delete than edit. Editing doesn't seem right. I've also walked away from people that want to endlessly argue about one thing or another, hung up on sales reps calling me and thrown away unopened mail. Should we require everyone to attend to everything anyone wants to say to them?
- Loren Heiny
Mike, i have had leadership roles at forums and on large IRC channels and i know it is hard to police and I also know from experience that annoying and unproductive comments make serious people less enticed to contribute but I also believe that good constructive criticism that is not overtly complimentary has an important place in the discussion (comments as it may be) as well. From what i can tell, some of the comments that were deleted fit this description while others were clearly personal attacks.
- Andrew Fielding
...(continued) that obviously did deserved to be either completely deleted or have specific parts of content censored. .... on a completely different note, I thought FriendFeed had no limit to the size of entries, i keep running into the fact that comments are limited in lenght, argh.
- Andrew Fielding
I think you should censor this type of information. I think people at the moment don't understand why it should be censored but then if a personal attack occured to them, they'd want it removed so i don't know why people are complaining about these things.
- Nicholas James
@Nicholas James I've had personal attacks taken on me in various forms at various locations and I take it all in good fun, if someone is wasting their time to make a personal attack on me I figure that means i've done something well enough to garner their attention and make them feel that i warrant a personal attack, this is all about each person's individual philosophy and what we believe should be the presiding philosophy in this instance.
- Andrew Fielding
On my blog, I ask ZDNet to kill all personal and nasty comments. Those comments inhibit serious discussion among other participants.
- Michael Krigsman
I admin a large online community. You have to be very strict moderating and remove personal attacks immediately. You also have to be very consistent. Leaving attacks up for a long time and then taking them down is the probelm here, you have set the wrong precedent. I agree that personal attacks should be removed but you need to do it consistently from now on.
- Chris Paton
I don't thnk comments need to be constructive though. It's fair to say the videos are not very good without offering solutions (as long as it's said in a non-offensive way). I personally have enjoyed watching many of the videos. Scoble and Shel are not TV personality types, they are just two geeks interested in what they are discussing. If they are discussing something I find interesting too I don't mind if they are sometimes little too close to the mic.
- Chris Paton
@mooney - you said, "Robert: You do understand how horrible your fastcompany.tv videos are?" that is pretty insulting.
- mike
@Andrew Fielding - point well taken. didn't mean to imply lack of experience. just trying to make a point that you obviously already understood. :-) and yes the limit on comment size is frustrating....usually leads me to only putting one space between periods and the next sentences.
- mike
Robert: You are getting it right, especially in the charity you grant differing views. This is the Slashdot vs Digg argument rehashed. Discussion management is the factor which determines your target audience. Slashdot routes around this with their own elaborate moderation/sliding scale system which allows individuals to decide what level of cruft they wish to be exposed to. You are catching flak due to *all powerful* editors making that decision for the populous. A common gripe when editors decide.
- Matt Bidinger
@scobleizer Man, this comment thread is soooooooooooooo 2003 ;-)
- Hugh MacLeod
I agree with hugh... you should delete the whole thing and see how loud that makes the moaning and wailing! ;) Only kidding. Seriously tho... you have every right to say whatever you want on your own blog, FF, Twitter, and any other platform that allows you to say it. You do NOT have the right to say it on my blog, FF, Twitter, or any platform that I have control over. It's reality people. Learn to cope.
- Lucretia Pruitt
So what is the issue here? Pretend I'm new. Is this a matter of censorship vs freedom of speech? Is this a matter of personal attacks vs constructive criticism? Either way isn't that all best seen from the eyes of the person who has control to allow or decline those comments? No where am I shown that I am commanded to let people say anything they want on my sites.
- Mike Lewis
@Mike Lewis No. This is a matter of transparency. Fast Company seems to think they are above it. Hugh: Go back to the bar and shut the fuck up.
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Simple solution - someone will register slowcorporationtvsucks.com (or perhaps even use the fastcompanytv name - it may be legally allowable in this instance). Only negative comments will be allowed. Verizon can sponsor to show that they "get it." Whatever "it" is.
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
Loren apparently thinks "transparency" implies some kind of obligation to provide a platform for racist fuckwits and their sock puppets.
- Karim
Wow, this is one of the most serious discussions on FriendFeed ... I definitely agree with Robert on this one ... I think everyone deletes personal attacks ... u don't need a policy ... it is a rule of thumb in blogging
- Nick O'Neill
@evan, you're right about blocking, that's why it's the other way that's important. I want to block people so they can't spam or attack me. - http://identi.ca/notice/30069
I think everyone should have tools to block -- if we mistake valid opposition for attacks and block the opposition we will devolve into irrelavancy but that should be a mistake we have the tools to make.
- Brian Sullivan
Of course I might be wrong. And I just said Patrick Ruffini is one of the best political bloggers out there even though he and I disagree about almost everything, because he never makes it personal, and always has something intelligent to say. There are two sides to almost everything. But if someone wants to make it personal, then I'm not available for that. They can still say it, and if someone wants to listen, more power to them. But I don't want to, and that's what blocking is for.
- Dave Winer
Dave - like your Identi.ca avatar. Turn the default gray no-smile face into the bright smile. Nice.
- Hutch Carpenter
I will defend your right to disagree with me to the death... but if you do it in a disrespectful & insulting manner? You'll lose my respect. And if there's a block feature? You'll probably lose my willingness to hear/read/listen to you.
- Lucretia Pruitt
That's the problem today. Most people, when presented with an opposing opinion, take it personally.
- Slobokan
It takes a lot to swallow pride, to yield on points where you fear you may be wrong, to respectfully advance -- i.e., without hammering -- points where you think the other may be wrong. Sometimes it turns into a sporting event where one feels they must win at all costs, and win big.
- Kirk Kittell
Dave: you're right. There's a big difference between a good disagreement, and nastiness. One I'll welcome in my livingroom. The other will get evicted. I'm not going to put up with jerks anymore. That's what Valleywag is for, or their own blogs.
- Robert Scoble
Honestly there is nothing wrong with blocking a follower, but I personally do not advice it for Brand Management! If someone wants to get to you, they will do it if you block them or not. By not blocking a user you engage them in a dialog and resolve your deferences what ever they maybe! Do not stick your head in the sand! Another thing, when you block a user, do not make it a public thread that you have blocked that user. That is called Outing Out and Flames the situation.
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Not only you tell the Social Media network community that this person is bad but you also tell Google and other search engines that that user is bad. Would you want people to find your name as blocked by a power user on a particular SM network to show up in Google? Please respect the Netetiquettes to avoid Flame Wars!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Personally I'd rather know what people are saying, even if it's nasty. It just takes self control to not let yourself get pulled into and inflame the argument. Like Sun Tzu said, "keep your friends close and your enemies closer."
- Ken Sheppardson
Sometime's it's worth talking to the person before you block them. I recently was a little negative about someone on Twitter and when he contacted me I apologized privately and publicly because I had never meant to be hurtful. It's so easy to say something wrong online. Now having the graciousness to respond when someone does (try to) rectify a situation is also helpful.
- Chris White
Ken: I agree with you a little bit. But let's say you are over my house for dinner and we have a little disagreement. That's one thing. But if you keep coming over and all you do are negative and a jerk, that's another thing altogether. I am choosing to get rid of the negative jerks. There are just so many other great people that I should spend my time on. So, I choose to use block and hide frequently here. I guess this comes from just looking at this as my living room.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble, this is not your living room! I do not know why you keep referring to this as your living room? Do you live in Friend Feed? LOL Maybe this is your style because you have 15k followers, and you do not have time to talk to people and find out what is the problem. So you just select to leave dead corpses in your campaign on the side of the road as you advance to Shangrila!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Robert: I hear you, but the living room analogy only goes so far. For one thing, it's really more like being in a public square than your living room. Also, when you're online nobody's physically in your face/space, you aren't forced to listen to anything, and all you have to do once you notice someone is off on a personal attack or tangent is move your line of sight half an inch or press a key.
- Ken Sheppardson
...but really... I don't fault people for blocking, particularly once it becomes apparent that there's basically no "content" whatsoever in somebody's comments. I just think of it as a last resort, and don't tend to do it myself.
- Ken Sheppardson
I like the face/space analogy! I wonder if it is relevant to the naming of Face Book? Or is it just accidental?
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Ken, then it's fair to assume you don't have any spam filters either? After all your mailbox is a public square. And nobody's physically in your face/space. You aren't forced to listen to anything. Get some VIAGERRA NOW!! EnLARG3 Y0UR P3NLS!
- Dave Winer
definitely a head in the sand outlook.
- Andrew Badera
Dave Dude, are you on Viagra overdose today? Spam is Spam! Discussion is Discussion!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Dave: I'd draw a distinction between public and private communication. I'm talking about public communication. My telephone, email, and instant messages are my living room. Public forums are... well... public. By the way, I've got an open mind here. I'm not saying my view/approach is best or the only way, and heck... I'll waffle with the best of them. Sometimes I like to argue both sides just to see which one feels more comfortable. :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Dave I think peer pressure is a natural block! What do you think? If a user is not contributing to the discussion they will not find it interesting to participate in!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
And it's still relatively common practice for people to get pissy and kill a FriendFeed thread they started because they don't like how the discussion goes. That irks me greatly. (Not accusing anyone here.)
- Anthony Citrano
I like the sound of that club. Where do I sign up?
- Jeff P. Henderson
Homer: Are you saying you're never going to eat any animal again? What about bacon? Lisa: No. Homer: Ham? Lisa: No. Homer: Pork chops? Lisa: Dad, those all come from the same animal. Homer: Heh heh heh. Ooh, yeah, right, Lisa. A wonderful, magical animal.
- Andrew Smith
I like the one that says "Red Meat, Because the West Wasn't Won on salad"
- Andrew Leyden
I work for Cabela's and that's a very typical saying for our corp. headquaters
- Garrett
spotted a shirt in wisconson- "vegetarians= bad hunters" made me smile ... mmm....bacon
- michael sean wright
on the other side of the car is the mean people suck sticker, correct?
- Pete Delucchi
I soooooooooo want one of those stickers! lol awesome
- John Blanton
Brian: Humans contribute just as much, if you skin and cook them right...
- Ian Betteridge
very telling presentation of chav lifestyle
- Ralf G.
One of my all-time favorite bumper stickers!
- Craig Eddy
That would pretty good actually. I hope they can integrate it into twitter experience, and make it part of their api as well
- Shivanand Velmurugan
from twhirl
well, they have to get code that works from somewhere.
- Slobokan
I think it would be a smart move for them.
- Alan Le
I hope not... Summize is great as it is.
- Chris Thomson
Considering the email I got from Twitter's help dept. promoted Summize, I'm not surprised.
- Erin @queenofspain
"I for one welcome our Twitter-Summize overlords."
- Joe D'Andrea
Did anyone notice that Summize recently added translation links & language filters? Summize is a VERY well done webapp if you ask me.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Buy Summize? Why don't they just integrate the Summize API into Twitter - Just Kidding - Could be a good thing!
- Eric Cedo
One company with no revenue buys another company with no revenue and whose existence depends on the first company? Why couldn't Twitter add the main Summize feature set in a few weeks if they could get their act together?
- David Fry
valuations? I'm shorting Summize if this happens...
- ryangraves
Summize would be doomed by being bought out... At least right now, they have the option of expanding to other networks such as friend feed, and brightkite, if they really wanted to!
- Joel
They have to spend their money on something and they sure as hell aren't spending it on infrastructure at the moment.
- Adam Helweh
I was thinking about that ever since I started using Summize... it makes perfect sense...
- Manos Matsakis
They'd better buy Oracle technology for scalability!
- Eric Sausse
I hope they buy up a few of the best apps that have been developed over the last year. They need to innovate, and it's people outside of Twitter who are developing the coolest stuff. Hopefully those people can help them integrate functionality into the site and bring new ideas!
- Hillary Hartley
this is smart for twitter, but generally bad for summize -- although I don't think any of those guys are really high profile and a win like this would work in their favor if they were sick of swinging for the fences. Interesting to see how it plays out.
- Tyler Willis
We'll need to think up new animals/concepts to signify the eventual 'Fail' *I'm thinking of photoshopping up a chalkboard with an incorrect calculation*
- CannonGod
They should just buy friendfeed instead...
- Colin Brumelle
they'll buy a service that does what they claim to be able to do... smart..
- Absalon Isaac Prieto
this makes it interesting and open for someone else to potentially come in a build a summize-like search across the other networks like brightkite, plurk, friendfeed etc.
- Brandon Zeuner
Wasn't there talk of just boycotting the opening ceremonies or something...and then going about with the rest as normal. I mean...$, and good sporting aside...we've got some serious human rights issues that can't just be ignored and shoved aside so we can watch girls in leotards flip around a mat
- Erin @queenofspain
China has no interest in seeing those T Bills they are holding turn to worthless paper either :D
- Moved to Facebook
This means a lot to China, and it's more than propaganda. This is a matter of national pride. I think Beijing was a poor choice, but we should go. Insulting the Chinese will only radicalize them, and play into the hands of her hard liners.
- Chris Baskind
US needs to learn to be a world citizen and quit acting like the world is US and everyone else just slacking, Things they are a changing. I am proudest of my home country when they are big-hearted not small minded.
- Mark Forman
Boycotts are bloody meaningless! The whole point of the Olympics is to forge world friendships using sports without politics getting in the way of things. Do you really think the Chinese would give two tosses if Butthead Bush stayed away? I don't think so.
- Mark O'Neill
God, I f*cking hate him. (And other more salient points.)
- Ayşe E.
sadly I can't fault Bush for this, I think there's enough political crap that no matter the party in power, the boycott would be considered. Yes China probably wasn't ready for this, but someone in Olympic committee made that bad decision. To properly boycott the entire team & athletes would have to boycott. Look @ it another way,he is going to support the athletes. [and I agree with Mark Forman, the US has become very close minded, and I believe it's more conservative then most other countries]
- clarke thomas
How about North Korea next? Maybe Iran? Why is it, exactly, that we're ok with some countries but totally against the others? Oooh,,,,now I remember.
- Erin @queenofspain
Why is it always the job of the United States to "punish" others? Or to go in and "fix" something that we say is wrong? WHy don't we do some fixing right here in our own country? In our own state? In our own city? Let's get it right here before we start imposing ourselves on others. We have serious human rights issues right under our damn noses and we aren't doing a thing about those!
- Adrienne Van Houten
Adrienne-wise words. As a husband and father I've learned that examples always much more convincing than diatribes.
- Mark Forman
This isn't about punishing anyone. Boycotting the opening ceremonies won't change anything, but it will send a message that we, as people, do not agree with the way things are being done. Simple as that. Sure, it won't change anything in the immediate future, but if we stop speaking up just because we think things won't change, the world's going to become a very silent, and desolate place.
- Slobokan
Who gets to choose whether or not the entire country "agrees" or "disagrees"?
- Adrienne Van Houten
I would hope we, as a country, as humans would all agree that certain human rights are basic and undeniable.
- Erin @queenofspain
We as a country can't decide which human rights are basic and undeniable for our citizens, why should we decide it for others?
- Adrienne Van Houten
Sorry Erin, not sending a team idea can #suckit. Olympic movement is about competition, not politics. Have a problem? Take it up with Anita DeFranz.
- Andrew Feinberg
I never advocating not doing anything. or sending teams or sending our presidnet.
- Erin @queenofspain
my point is...this is a world stage filled with politics whether it's supposed to be or not. Bush doesn't need to go for the whole damn thing
- Erin @queenofspain
and I disagree that there are rights only as they apply to countries. I think everyone has human rights that have nothing to do with country or politics.
- Erin @queenofspain
On that last point I wholeheartedly agree, he (Bush) doesn't need to go at all. He isn't competing in anything and really do we want him to represent us anywhere right now?
- Adrienne Van Houten
As Mark Cuban is quick to point out, the Olympics have nothing to do with the spirit of competition or friendships between nations... it's just a big frakkin' sports marketing endeavor.
- Roger Benningfield
I'm torn. If we, as a country, weren't just as high up on the Amnesty International list of countries with substantial human rights abuse, it might be something to consider. Until we address our own H.R.A. issues, it would be a bit hypocritical to pretend that boycotting the Olympics would come from a moral highground here.
- Lucretia Pruitt
Personally I'd like to point out that this all started from me pointing out Bush's 'unartful' comments on the matter. I haven't advocated for anything...yet
- Erin @queenofspain
I have no idea why some people think Twitter and FriendFeed are in competition. Two totally different tools used in completely different ways by everyone.
- Slobokan
I agree - they have different purposes. To some degree FF can be used similarly to Twitter.
- Jim Turner
from twhirl
And who cares how "YOU" use it? Use it anyway you want. There are no rules.
- Jim Kukral
@Scoble - I am serious. I jump out of bed at 4:30 am Mondays rip roarin ready to go. When I spent time with the Edelman family last week in Chicago it only got me even more fired up. http://flickr.com/photos...
- Steve Rubel
reality tv, if I wanted to watch dumb people do dumb things I don't need a tv
- nick carrasco
Having to work on a weekend. And mean people...
- Jason R. Hunter
Ok, trying FF as well. Still like twitter and will be sad if I have to leave it
- Lide Winburn
Like Napoleon's army after the defeat in Moscow, straggling west, fleeing the hideous frozen hell, we are moving into the (for me, at least) unknown...
- Dave LaFontaine
It seems to me this is kind of a moot point. You draw those who follow you into your convesation and if someone makes a comment that continually intriques you all you have to do is simply subscribe to their ff. No need to wage a big dick contest with numbers of followers here. Its all about the conversation. Just an observation at this point.. I'm just now starting the migration from twitter to FF myself;-)
- Curtis "Billy" Cross
from twhirl
Just subscribed to you, feel free to follow back!
- KyleM
Hi Jason, thanks in advance for the follow.
- Larry Kless
Yes please - it is a challenge how to parallelize your twitter connections on FriendFeed. They really need a good import interface with automatic notifications via DM back to twitter followers.
- Jed White
Great stuff Jason, fan of your work. It would be great to have a Twitter/FriendFeed contact sync application. I'm sure you know some peeps to make that happen. =D
- Grahm Skee
Just discovered friendfeed. Pretty cool stuff.
- George Gray
I'll simply cite Rob Clark, who so eloquently put it: "I believe you're already subscribed to me, but now you can be double-secret-subscribed..." ;-)
- Carlos Granier-Phelps