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Obama Joker artist unmasked: A fellow Chicagoan | Top of the Ticket | Los Angeles Times - http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washing...
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"Flickr had removed the Joker image due to copyright-infringement concerns, Alkhateeb says the company told him in an e-mail. A Flickr spokeswoman declined to comment due to a company policy that bars discussing inquiries about individual users."
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
it's interesting to me that according to the LA Times, Flickr saw the need to pull down the now famous Obama/Joker image from its creators stream citing copyright concerns (with no DCMA complaint) while allowing the Pro Obama HOPE, image which would also be a copyright violation, to appear virtually everywhere on the site. Of course if you compare mentions of "Obama" on the official Flickr Blog you'll find 74 references as opposed to 5 references for Bush.
- Thomas Hawk
Haha! I *just* posted that from LA Times before I saw you were doing it, too. :)
- Spidra Webster
I think that the Obama/Joker image could pretty definitively be defined as both parody and political speech anyways and as such would not be subject to copyright law at all. It's unfortunate that Flickr would remove this image from the creator's flickr stream and censor him this way. I have no idea how they get away with this sort of stuff.
- Thomas Hawk
It doesn't surprise me that Flickr removed it. However, I also agree with you that it's very likely protected as parody.
- Spidra Webster
Boo on Flickr. Is there *any* of the original spirit with which the service started left among the people running the property?
- Andrei M. Marinescu
Parody has long been regarded as an absolute defense against copyright claims. That's why Weird Al gets to record and sell copies of "Eat It" to the same tune of Michael Jackson's "Beat It" This image is clearly, absolutely and unequivocally parody. What's more, in copyright cases the courts have always given political satire the widest berth of all -- it's why Ralph Nader was able to...
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- Thomas Hawk
Thomas, I'm starting to think you have an issue with Flickr's censorship policies.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
yeah Daniel. I do have a big problem with Flickr's censorship.
- Thomas Hawk
Flickr are beginning to really scare me. My Pro account expires soon and I'm thinking about thinking about letting it lapse.
- James Myatt
Don't get me wrong. I think it's super cool that President Obama has an official Flickrstream. I think that's great actually, but when Flickr starts deleting the accounts of people who post things critical of Obama on his stream and start deleting anti-Obama imagery I think they go too far. I think it's wrong that they have a division that can essentially get away with deleting whomever or whatever content they want. I don't think that this is right at all and I think it's an attack on free speech.
- Thomas Hawk
I'm with Thomas. It's all about freedom of speech.....right?
- Jimmy Watson
from iPhone
interesting case of confusion of a few concepts. i am with thomas on his analysis of defense against copyright claims and idiotic behavior by flickr. however, free speech and censorship do not apply here in a strict consitutional sense, for it is not a government doing censoring and gagging, but a private corporation. our way to protest is not to engage with such a corporation. isn't the Bill of Rights taught in schools in US? ;)
- jacek
I dislike the Joker image, but it's clearly political parody and shouldn't be subject to copyright restrictions.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
I wish FF let users like comments as well. That would help here.
- Jimmy Watson
from iPhone
I see an unspoken racist content to this poster. The "Joker" image happens to coincide with the "white face" vs "black face" aspect of minstrel shows, Vaudeville, early movies such as The Jazz Singer and Birth of a Nation. This all goes unspoken but even if this would be within the grounds of parody It's equal might be a cover of Time with GWB with white powder in his nose, some beer vomit on his chest, and I won't go on. It seems utterly tasteless and crass, but I guess that is "cool" these days.
- Phil Boiarski
"In a society that protects free expression, we understand a lot of stuff will float up out of the sewer. [...] We hold our nose and tolerate it, but we speak out against the values it proffers." Caryl Rivers /Journalist, Professor of Journalism, Boston University/. Or Voltaire, if you prefer. So let's not confuse our dislike of content with a desire to protect our ability to speak. Phil - I hope you agree.
- jacek
Phil, there may be an unspoken racist element to the image. I personally don't see that in it. I see someone turning Obama into the Joker and portraying him in a negative light. Regardless of whether the image is tasteless, crass or even offensive though, I'd still, defend the right of its creator to post the image on Flickr and am disappointed that they continue their tradition of censoring folks. jacek, that indeed is the point here.
- Thomas Hawk
That's just asshattery. I'm an Obama fan, but I still wanna fave this pic.
- Tanath
A more considered response on this image as fair use vs. Flickr's claim to have deleted it based on "copyright concerns" from a law student: "he downloaded the October 23 Time Magazine cover of Obama and began digitally painting over it. Don't think so. If you produce something that is transformative, and not derivative, then it's fair use (Folsom v Marsh). In Campbell v Acuff-Rose, 510...
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- Thomas Hawk
In my statement, I was opining on what I saw was a subliminal racist statement. I won't speak to the possible context of Palestinian and African racism. At no time was I indicating the parody did not deserve legal protection or condoning flickr's decision to flick him off of its site. The legal issues are different than the business issues are different from the journalistic issues. I...
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- Phil Boiarski
Ideas do not die. Not that they survive simply as archaisms. At a given moment they may reach a scientific stage, and then lose that status or emigrate to other sciences. G.Deleuze and/or F.Guattari
A Thousand Plateaus (p.380)
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Four logicians are having breakfast. Waitress asks -- Will you all be having coffee? The first logician says "I don't know." Second says "I don't know." Third says "I don't know." Fourth says "No." The waitress returns with their coffees. Who gets coffee?
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I don't know :)
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
from IM
The puzzle actually has a solution.
- Dave Winer
1, 2, and 3.
- Tudor Bosman
The first three. Anyone who wasn't having coffee could safely say "no". If anyone before the fourth said no, it would be indeterminate.
- Matt Mastracci
No one gets coffee. 4 answered for all of them.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
The first three were unsure, the forth one was the only one having coffee, he said no because he is the only one to have coffee.
- Moobie
Well, they're *not* at the Nonlinear Cafe, that much I can deduce :)
- Micah Wittman
Tudor and Matt got it. The question wasn't "Who wants coffee?"
- Dave Winer
Fourth knows she doesn't want coffee, so she says no, they will not ALL be having coffee.
- Arek Dreyer
FF is good for puzzles. If you don't want to see the answer you don't have to. :-)
- Dave Winer
But what about upside down coffee cups?
- Arek Dreyer
What if the question was "Does anyone want coffee?"
- Arek Dreyer
If the question was "Does anyone want coffee?" then we wouldn't be here talking about this now. :-D
- Moobie
Arek, the answer would then be "nobody gets coffee".
- Matt Mastracci
maybe, maybe, maybe, yes. (Arek, these would have to be the answers, for it to make sense).
- Panayotis Vryonis
The first three are ordering coffee, but don't know if the rest are. The last is not, and can safely say "No." Any other answer doesn't work, AFAICT.
- Tanath
Why is it ruled out that the fourth gets coffee? He could be merely mistaken. Him not getting coffee is not a warranted true belief until he, in fact, doesn't get coffee.
- Mark Trapp
the first three get coffee. the first three all would have been able to say "no" if they were not having coffee since that would mean they were not ALL having coffee. But because they were having coffee, and didn't know what the remaining people were going to answer, they could only say "I don't know".
- David Aronchick
All four get coffee because the waitress was confused by their indirect method of answering her question so when she returned she simply left the pot on the table.
- Garin Kilpatrick
Coffee for all! :)
- Garin Kilpatrick
She returns with 3 coffees for the guys who said I don't Know.
- Louis Rossouw
Where's the credit to Will Shortz and Merl Reagle??? http://www.npr.org/templat... btw - I like @DavidAronchick's answer!
- Mark Chance
Excellent. I'll ask that the first person I'll be interviewing for a job :-)
- Till
@Till: "Will you be having coffee?" "-Yes" "-You are hired!"
- Jemm
Friendfeed works well for this. With the answer in the comments it is not immediately visible and gives the reader an opportunity to think before seeing the solution.
- Scott Magoon
Apparently this was on NPR yesterday. I heard it from a friend who (I guess) must have heard it there.
- Dave Winer
Reminds me of the Amtrak announcement at limited stations, "All doors will not open."
- Jim Spath
We all know the answer to who gets coffee. It is 42. But who got the decaf? Did they use milk, non-dairy creamer, sugar, artificial sweetener...? That is the true test, the real conundrum. Answer that please.
- Richard
1,2,3 couldn't say yes due to order but didn't say no so they each wanted one
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
No-one knows if they will all be having coffee or not until the fourth says 'no' because he surely knows the answer to her question ie that he does not want any. Waitress and other three now know they will not 'all' be having coffee so she brings enough for three. They give her a large tip.
- Denise Danks
Should I try to answer this question before or after I have coffee this morning??
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
as the question was "will you *ALL* want coffee" , then there must be three OR LESS coffees delivered, as the fourth person was definitely not having coffee, being the only one who KNEW they wouldn't ALL be having coffee
- kosso
The first three guys get coffee. If any of them didn't want coffee, then the answer for them would have been "no".
- Otto
@Samuel Wood: I would disagree. The first three HAVE to say 'I dont know' as they have no idea if they will ALL get coffee. It doesn't mean they all chose to have coffee at all.
- kosso
I'll have a coke and a muffin to go
- Johnny Worthington
@kosso: If the person themselves did not want coffee, then they would instantly know the answer is no, they all did not want coffee, because that person didn't want coffee. The only way somebody can answer "I don't know" is a) he wants coffee and b) he's not sure if the other three do or don't want coffee.
- Otto
1, 2 & 3 were having coffee, since their answer was YES, but they could not confirm if they would ALL be having coffee. The fourth one was the only one who could really answer the question, after hearing everyone elses' answer. He did not want any coffee, so he replied NO. (i.e.: whoever did not want coffee would have been in a position to give a negative answer. The fact that it was the last one is logiacal, but tricky) 3coffees please
- constantinos alexacos
I think any of the earlier ones could have said no if they didn't want coffee, but then the riddle would be unanswerable, yes? Because the later responders would have to say no whether they wanted coffee or not.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
from iPhone
Exactly, Jandy.
- Brome
I think that was an extremely patient waitress.
- Ian Mulvany
Yes, the puzzle should have mentioned that not only is the waitress patient but she was a logician as well.
- Dave Winer
first three. i'm with louis.
- Marg Uerite
Only the person who gave the 'right' answer gets coffee, but he said no.
- Bob Boynton
The answer is me. Because answering logic puzzles before I've had my coffee is too damned hard.
- Steven Perez
all of them get coffee - excpet the last bugger
- Peter Dawson
1,2 & 3 get coffee, as answering "no" means "not all 4 of us": the last is the only one who can see the whole picture, so the first three cannot say "yes" - they lack information. Starting with the first: if he wants coffee, he just knows that 1 on 4 will be served and his answer is "I don't know" (he doesn't know about the other 3). If he doesn't want coffee, then he knows for sure...
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- Fabio
Oh no. Everyone took Robert Scoble's advice and unfollowed everybody else and now there is no Twitter!
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Social network implosion.
- George Frink
Daily LOL :)
- Berci Mesko, MD
Ha!
- Mitchell Tsai
Ha ha! Tha'ts very funny, wish I had thought of that!
- Sandra Large
Very good
- Leigh Marriner
New blog post: you are SO unfollowed! http://scobleizer.com/2009... I'll follow on FriendFeed anyone who comments here:
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Follow me!
- TheHenry
TheHenry: I already am! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Please don't unfollow me!! :)
- Carlo Nasuti
Very interesting approach Robert. If it is working for you that is awesome though. Hope all is well. Give Roc a big hug for me.
- C.C. Chapman
Yo...
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
Not too much unfollowing please.
- Tim
i'm in
- Tai Hsia
Can you follow me?
- Giorgio
ok I'll allow you
- Derry O Donnell
What's going on here?
- Andru Edwards
I think you're already following me Robert.
- Andrew Leahey
well ok )
- Denverken
Lead, follow, or get out of the way.
- Robert Kenney
[comments here]
- Nick Humphries
I will comment here! :)
- John Ptacek
Great blog appreciate all of your "likes" that I would not have noticed before. Thanks for all the time you spend educating us.
- Gary Prechtel
auto-follow always seemed like a bad idea. people can always msg you but your stream will get totally cluttered if you dont do a little bit of housekeeping.
- William Kapes
"baby I'm a star" -Prince (off purple rain)
- Michael J. Carrasquillo
novel approach, seems sound
- Danny Ayers
Consider me available for following. :-)
- Eric D. Wilson
Okay, I'll bite..
- Tanya
Bring it Scobleizer.
- Todd Pringle
I agree, Twitter is much better this way.
- Ryan W
I appreciate your work, and your passion for social media.
- Evan Travers
sounds simple...
- Mateo Yadarola
Scoble follow me baby
- Jadito
Oh you are getting quite a response here!!!! I'm commenting so you'll follow me but the thing is you're going to LIKE following me because you'll learn all about Sedona through tons of videos and you'll love it so much you'll want to pack your camera and head out here! =)
- SedonaTV
Thanks for the mentions, Robert (and you know I'm not commenting just for the follow - I just like to follow you, which is what counts!)
- Jesse Stay
Actually Robert, now I've seen you've tidied up your twitter, I'll probably follow you there again too. :-)
- Tim
hey follow me scoble
- Andy Jenks
Meh, who cares really, not like you read everyone you followed. Plus unfollowed you anyways, not like you have to say that's interestined except friendfeed spam.
- Steve
joining the crowd - good move Robert.
- Adam
follow me
- Tai Hsia
welcome to Boulder
- Andrew Hyde
@scobleizer just created the most important tech follow list on Twitter.
- Christian Anderson
aww shucks, and here I was thinking it was just me who you unfollowed.
- Jess Sloss
I underwent the same situation, Robert - I unfollowed almost everybody on Twitter who duplicated their accounts here on FrF. I got a tempest of fury for this action. web3 is too personal still ))
- massagin
Scoble in Boulder = Trouble.
- Jim Halligan @jim
I feel fortunate that you're still subbed to me on FF. I haven't even noticed whether you unfollowed me on Twitter. But you following me, still hasn't gotten me the chicks. :P Always fun seeing your posts, long as you don't block me, it doesn't matter if you follow me or not. :)
- Arlan Koizumi
I did the same thing some weeks ago after avoiding twitter because it got too noisy. It was instantly better. But in the mean time I started to use FF more and I like it better here so I hardly go near twitter now.
- Murray Barton
You already follow me here on ff, which i use more than twitter.
- dthree
What's up?
- Kevin Whalen
from iPhone
Hey Robert, so for following >1,600 is it that right way taken by Philtro and Filttr?
- Martin Adamek
I'm glad you mentioned Loic, he caught a lot of flack for doing this earlier.
- Steven Cains
Hey Robert - fight the tweetspam !
- Michael Neale
Don't think you are following me on Twitter anymore..please do and best regards
- Karma Martell
I'm still trying to figure out the following... so I'm watching how you do it scoble.
- Matthew Schrock
Good plan. I'm looking forward to your results. I'm trying to figure out all these social media elements. I would appreciate your Twitter follow.
- David Stanley
hope this new approach works for you!
- timepilot
Oh, so now you are only easy on FF.
- James Watters
Odd internal response, I don't follow everyone who follows me cuz of the very noise you talk about. And, there's no good reason for you to follow me since I'm unlikely to deliver news of interest to you. And yet, here I am, posting on FriendFeed so you have the OPTION of following me, a stranger who is not the same kind of SMART as you. Who'd have thought...
- Della Mauler
Interesting statement about original content value of FF independent of twitter. Twitter is where you keep your noise level down...
- James Watters
This seems like asking for trouble to me, Scoble. But, it's your time and bandwith to do with what you will. Since only a handful of people (by that I think I mean just one) follow me on Twitter, it's pretty easy for me to weed out the bots. The people I follow are my internet nerds (mostly the Rev 3 crew) so I know their interests are in line with mine. Hit me up for some edifying conversations about Lost and video games, Robert.
- Jeremiah Green
Here you go Robert! [also via twitter: @Scobleizer Therefore: only approx. 1.7 million "active" human @Twitter users contribute 50%+ of all activity, right? #engagement] Regards, @AAinslie
- Alexander Ainslie
The green avatar is so disturbing mate. :)
- Jordan Windebank
I'll lead, you follow. So where are we going?
- Tom Sheppard
I was sad to see you unfollowed me, but now you may follow me again, so all will be well in the world.
- Jodi
following the leader...
- John Munro
You're still following me - does that mean I'm a smart feller? ;)
- Brett Kelly
so glad I mail Robert a business card every month :)
- Christian Anderson
Della: the thing is here I can follow you and put you into a list and watch you less frequently than some of my other people. So everyone wins. But only here on FriendFeed. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Some of us have been doing this from our start. Kind of cool, eh? But our numbers don't grow quickly so we were tagged as "slow." Nice to see you catch up with us! Also, this may shock you, there sre folks who follow and communicate with only 3 folks on twitter and they are HAPPY! Imagine....
- lynda spangler
Yay. Now he will follow a librarian.
- joe is...
Follow this dot!!! .
- Bwana ☠
I've long thought the entire Twitter "etiquette" of always following who follows you to be a bit of a folly. I'm following 114 at the moment, and the stream still moves too fast for me to keep up with.
- Darren Landrum
Comment!
- anna sauce
ok
- Vasu Srinivasan
Good test, count me in... I don't follow tons of people, I follow a few prolific Scoble-types and the rest are more focused in areas I'm interested in.
- David Ziembicki
I'm not following tons of people, just a select few. More to follow on FB when facebook has completely integrated Friendfeed-funcionality. ;-)
- Wolfgang G. Wettach
I only follow people I know or have something interesting to say, did you really have 160000 people that said something worthwhile???
- Gerard van Schip
Well I commented via your Blog so instead of repeating myself I'll link to comment http://disq.us/1ms9
- Keith - @tsudo
Gerard: everyone says something worthwhile once in a while. The trick is to see it when it happens. Here on FriendFeed, by the way, you have a better shot because good stuff usually gets liked and commented on, so it pulls up higher into my view.
- Robert Scoble
come join us here folks http://ff.im/6dUHN xxx
- Mark
Okay. But will you read and comment on my stuff?
- Mellissa Claus
Robert, I posted this after Loic's decision and it looks like it will need another update. http://www.knowthenetwork.com/blog... I think there is value in stating your follow policy.
- Keith - @tsudo
cool
- Zach Cheatham
Hello?
- Vicky
following all the discussion of you unfollowing everyone on twitter has made me think about doing the same thing and starting fresh.
- (jeff)isageek
not unless we beat you in the Ashes
- Mark
Nice post Robert, and no surprise it's an improvement. ;o) I have seen it for me too.
- Rob Sellen :o)
1 thing I find Robert still worth following @Scobleizer when I am not on friendfeed & on my Hootsuite or PeopleBrowsr. therefore not much affected, not much 2 bother me, ego not gone at all. luv your post Robert it is a frank posting
- polou/indigo_bow
Follow me Robert, I promise I'm not annoying. :) @cluteman
- Greg Clute
from iPhone
You've piqued my curiosity.
- Kathy
Robert, thank you! I follow you and enjoy your "likes" and your energetic takes. I also enjoy your Building43 interviews! I am a constant FriendFeed user now. Thank you!
- Tobin Truog
This made me realise I must be more active on FF and comment/post more :-).
- Mats Pettersson
I think I'll give FriendFeed a go! Never tried it, but looks easy and I need to understand the interwebs better. @CodeSamurai_Com
- CodeSamurai
butt-kissing is not a prerequisite for being followed, he will follow you anyways :D
- Mark
Count me in! (Please??)
- Ricky Maveety
lol @mark. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
You can follow me, but since you follow a lot of people, you probably can't pay attention to the stream of tweets.
- Alex Knight
Alex..that's the WHOLE point he did this... ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
IMHO 1,647 is still way too many people to follow.
- Alex Knight
I will NOT get baited into ... ah CRAP. I follow very few people on twitter, mainly only to find info from Android developers (my topic of choice). If you mention anything about the food you are currently eating, etc.. you will probably not be followed. If you post 80,000 times a day, you will not be followed, since Twitters interface sucks (not so for FF). Also, no offense to other social users, but if you resend your FF/FB/<insert other social site here> entries to twitter, I probably won't follow.
- Tim Hoeck
http://socialspark.com/blogs... Chris Pirillo is Scum.
- Mark
good move IMO
- Joanna Nicol
Love the post, love the response.
- Chris Rogers
from BuddyFeed
nice hanging out at with beach w/ you last week! follow moi!!!
- Raina Lee
I always feel like scoble's following me
- Rodney J Woodruff
from iPhone
Don't forget your Dunbar number, Scoble! There are only so many people you can have meaningfully connect with online.
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
Mark is right. No butt kissing. Ew.
- Robert Scoble
"I always feel like, somebody's watching me..."
- Wizetux
Comment!!!! Ohh wait but you already follow me...
- Amit Nangare
Follow me, if you aren't already....please. Thanks,
- Steve de Mena
here is my comment ZOL
- Shane Gibson
Comment? What kind of coomment, Robert? :-)
- Mitch Featherston
Whoop there it is! On Twitter @jimgoldstein
- Jim Goldstein
from iPhone
Oh..Oh... Mr. Kotter...Mr Kotter..follow me!
- Scott Booher
Glad to see you're writing more than 140 characters on that blog. Doesn't that feel liberating? Maybe we should be allowed character# based on your metric for powerful/smart/newsmaker
- Noah Bloom
You already follow me here on FF, for which I thank you. So, I'll just say thanks for the phone call the other day. :)
- Jeff Harbert
I'll take a follow!
- Jeff Weber
@shaunhess
- Shaun Hess
Ok, so follow me again and I will follow you back. Thanks!
- Audrey
Robert - I fail on most of your criteria so I'm not expecting you to follow me. The thing is I don't care if you follow me back - this is social media and everyone has their own choice. I choose to follow you because you entertain and inform me. The relationship is 100% one way and I am more than happy with that!
- Pon
Robert - Last night at GDGT Party the person at the Blackberry booth said: 1) She had 'heard of Twitter, never friend feed' uses neither 2) Is SCOBLE is coming tonight 3) Wow, your Blackberry is really "archaic" and find out when contract lets you upgrade. F-D UP? Booth babes need primers.
- Liza
Interesting theory... people who comment more apt to contribute?
- Mark Philpot
I know someone else who tried this strategy last year, with similar results. I've been debating it. Once I got over 3K followers on Twitter life just got weird. Started to spend X amount of time every day blocking porn spam.
- Patricia F. Anderson
Liza: yeah, sorry for not coming to the party. I went and saw Obama's CTO instead.
- Robert Scoble
Steve Lynch: my Dunbar number is higher than yours is. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Nice summary Robert on the whole Unfollow thing, but would it be too repetitive if I re-post on my FF?
- Keith Rowland
What is the best friend feed aggregation strategy of non-friend streams (eg RSS, twitter, etc)? Imaginary friend per service, then add to lists? Multiple services per imaginary friend or 1 to 1? Or add the services to a group? What are the considerations?
- John Brown
Keith: you can repost anywhere you like, thanks!
- Robert Scoble
I'm in!
- Craig Shipp
still wondering how you are able to handle such a big load of subscribers here and e.g. so many followers with twitter o_0. I am already (sometimes) lost with the few i got till now. Lately with one sweep almost 40 to 50 contacts in twitter disappeard and i have no clue why ... boah, how are you handling the noise? Hell, with so many ppl in, you might have a terrific noise? Or you wear just good headphones ;)?
- Ronald
I very much agree that being choosy is the key to Twitter. I'm not nearly on the scale that you are, but in my experience, freely following people (whetther they follow me or not) and then mercilessly cutting back on them over and over again results in a kind of darwinianly better and better signal to noise ratio.
- Tim Maly
Touche!
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
Count me in
- Johnny
Hi Robert
- Randy Allen Bishop
Liked the blog post and totally agree. I've been meaning to do something similar. What I do is occasionally prune and then add some "better" replacements, so my total is always 2000 follows.
- Bora Zivkovic
I don't see how anyone can manage so many users without groups. Then again, with groups you could just make an "ignore" group.
- Oscar M. Cantu
from iPhone
Great blog post. I totally agree on the noise level. I figure I have blocked a few hundred accounts on Twitter, and my noise level has dropped dramatically. Thanks for the follow!
- Tony "Frosty" Welch
Hello Hello!
- Sam Goldfield
Robert - I figured you were in DC from FF, but she had NO IDEA what a CTO is. Point is, she was eager to give you a Blackberry, but not me, and I wish I had a Scoble costume to pretend for 5 minutes.
- Liza
@Robert I think you are starting another mass follow again.
- Steve Chou
from fftogo
Steve: that's not the problem. As long as spam doesn't enter the system I can deal. Keep in mind here I can choose how I follow. I can put you all in a folder that I never look at, if I wanted to.
- Robert Scoble
my feelings were hurt that you unsubscribed to me on twitter, but i agree with your methods
- Brian Appleby
I'm in!
- Chris Rossini
Brian, yeah, but I follow you here. So there.
- Robert Scoble
really doesn't matter as long as i can follow you, that's the beauty of these services
- Brian Appleby
How did you come to follow so many to begin with? I get annoyed with ppl and unfollowing is easier than sifting through their garbage constantly.
- R1CC1
Autofollow was a horrible idea to begin with.
- David Chieng
I kind of tired to keep an eye on who follows me now,the ones I'm following is much more important.:-)
- Steve Chou
from fftogo
Whoa lots of comments I'm following you longtime lol
- Edgar Rodríguez
from iPhone
Robert: we need more intelligent spam-follower-filtering on Twitter! We need to fix this.
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
@David +1 I think auto follow is such a bad idea to begin with,and people like Robert now even need to pay to unfollow these people.
- Steve Chou
from IM
How much did SocialToo charge for running the unfollow script?
- Shane
I'm in!
- rich brant
from iPhone
I heard its 25 dollars.
- Steve Chou
from IM
I've always been very picky in who I follow on twitter. I follow 40 people, and I can't guarantee that I see every single tweet. I don't scroll back usually, unless it's my "Real Life" column in Tweetdeck that couldn't fit on my screen.
- Tom Ribbens
My birthday is also January 18th, therefore you must follow me Robert! ;)
- Chris Luckhardt
from BuddyFeed
Thanks Steve! $25 is pretty reasonable. Wonder if anyone else will be jumping on the bandwagon
- Shane
Haha....I also threw the devil horns for Scobleizer...that should count for something. ;) http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Chris Luckhardt
from BuddyFeed
OK, let's try it! And what about Twitter?
- Alexei Zheglov
Thanks for your post. Last time I checked you follow me here on FriendFeed. OK not to follow me on Twitter.
- Pilgrim Five
Smart way to clean house.
- Jeremy Chone
u have already subscribing me although i am just a-staying-at-home mum =)). thanx scoble. u are really a nice geek. haha!
- zʍıɔ
Let's do it.
- Kate
this is like an awesome commentfest
- Edgar Rodríguez
You can follow me, but I never say anything. Oh.. wait....
- James Macgill
follow me!
- Tate DA FF MVP
from BuddyFeed
Sometimes the tortoise beats the hare after all... building organically based on getting to know people and interactions tends to avoid the ghastly spammers, seo peeps and bots
- Sally Church
Tap, tap... is this thing on?
- Yanik Falardeau
This is the best place to follow you. On twitter you only see post headlines, but friendfeed is where the conversation takes place.
- Michael Fidler
Ah crap. You're already following me :)
- Jason Nunnelley
I'm outside your sphere, but bootstrapping is bootstrapping right?
- Travis Bedard
Tuesday night for the first time in 2 months I UNfollowed everyone on Twitter who wasn't following me. Since you had UNfollowed me, yup I unfollowed you. My Twitter account is so /FUBARed! It only goes to page 506 to show who I'm following and after that it is BLANK! I don't even know if they show in my Home stream. So Robert, I value what you say. Know I can tweet profusely - but it's as @replies to others with the occasional micro-blog thrown in. Question, what DID I do to cause you to UNfollow me?
- Arleen Anderson
I hope you'll follow me...
- Shane Tilton
Follow me, eh?
- Joey Gibson
Trying to fill out those dropped Twitter follows?
- Jamie Elgie
Scoble: Have you convinced Guy Kawasaki against his "follow everyone that follows you" mentality?
- Kevin Pruett
please do what you must to have the most effecient feed mr scoble, the random will still creep through the cracks, ;)
- chaz2b
I still haven't really adopted FriendFeed, but I will get interesting here in time if you follow me.
- Lance M. Brown
How are your cleanup efforts coming along?
- Jennifer Ruggiero
Oops - I also meant to ask, Robert: how are you managing to follow the couple thousand that you are now re-following on Twitter? You must be using groups, I guess...any other methods? I find ~500 people to be a near max in terms of how many folks I can fully read.
- Lance M. Brown
Following your inspiration, I unfollowed almost 100 people last night and blocked about 1000 spammers, cam girls, MLM marketers, and the like. Twitter is more like it was a year ago, its almost like I gave my Twitter account an enema and it worked. Thanks for the original idea.
- Mark Edwards
Excellent!
- Don Strickland
Robert, I started out only following those I know and those I am genuinely interested in. I've only followed back a few of the people who've followed me. I have a second account that I decided to experiment with. I followed about 700 people on there. It has had about double the followers of my main account consistently. I am about to try some new tricks there with an auto-follow script I'm writing but I think I will stay the course with my main account.
- Paul The Raven
Robert, I tried the "follow everyone" (almost) method for a short time - then I'd unfollow about once-a-week. Now I try to schedule a "follow new" once a week. TweetDeck's group feature makes following lots of folks bearable. So does FF, but you've been saying that for-ever!
- Kathy E Gill
I am just taking it slow.
- Rick Cogley
from iPhone
Hey.
- Kreg Steppe
I will follow you if you follow me (Genesis)
- Keith Barrett
I may not be smart, but I'm smart enough to follow you!
- John Pfaff
It occurred to me (and surely to someone before me), that different definitions of "following" might be a big factor here. If I'm following someone, it means I'm following along with their updates. But others might see themselves more as becoming part of a person's "following". Not that they are necessarily reading the person's stuff, but they are willing to be considered part of that person's inflated Twitter posse, as part of the influence-trading aspect of Twitter.
- Lance M. Brown
Robert, I think that the biggest thing that changed is not that you were "wrong" (to follow everyone) before but that the Twitter population has changed so much. A year ago, pretty much everyone on Twitter was real, and interesting - now there's so much automated gaming the system going on that the signal to noise ratio has gotten unbearable. So I think anyone who cares about more than...
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- Matthew Blaisdell
I can't imagine how it would happen technologically, but it would be great if there was a way to ditch followers who weren't actually reading your tweets.
- Lance M. Brown
Enjoyed recent posts and look forward to more from you! Keep it up.
- One Degree Connected
I don't want to be left out please!!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Your most active followers are on FF. No loss.If you really wanted to make a bold statement you ought to have blocked all of your followers and started from scratch.
- Benjamin Taylor
Been a while since I put you and Shel On the record...Online
- Eric Schwartzman
blah.
- imabonehead
Good article Robert. I honestly enjoyed the perspective. I found the same to be true, but on a much lower scale, of course ;-)
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
i'm in!
- Criz
I don't get it - so now you are using Twitter kinda like a normal person, and its some kind of miracle that it works better?
- Nick Lothian
I'm impressed you can keep up with 1600 people. I have trouble enough with the little amount I have. I did find that making FriendFeed imaginary friends and putting them in groups for those I'd like to read occasionally (but not on a regular basis) has helped a lot
- Tamara
Follow....how about some promotion!
- Bob DeMarco
i'm in
- Joshua Smith
from twhirl
9/11 Was an Inside Job
- bill giltner
Stop it, or I will have to get a restraining order.
- Sriks7
In my mind I'm important enough to follow ;-)
- Jonathan Callahan
Hello Robert....Whatever your favorite genre is...http://listen.grooveshark.com/#...
- Michele Lorito-Chase
Looks like you have a lot of work to do following everybody.
- Corbett Barr
now i'll have to write something interesting...
- Robert Littlejohn
me! i offer nothing but the warm feeling of having accepted a ff reject.
- Marco
ok. so how will you filter the noise now
- Kfir Pravda
Ooo, I've won the lottery. You'll follow me now. Wheeee! (how do you have the time to go through all of the names by hand? VA assistance?)
- Peggy Dolane
Great :)
- Baard @ Pixum
Interesting trend on twitter - I always wondered what sense it made to follow tens of thousands of people, too much noise. I'm finding it hard enough to follow 2900 (looking to cull even that down as I mostly tweet about 30 people!)
- Tia Singh, Life Coach
211th comment: WTF
- Geer
Good :)
- ★ Soner Gönül
I like your ability to influence so many people. I'm following you (mostly here - on FriendFeed) because it's one of the ways to learn how you do it (but, please, do not follow me if you do not see anything you could learn from me :-).
- Hanna Wiszniewska
I would come up w/ a better vetting process.
- Joe
why would you do that?
- james
got to get a pic up so i can fit the criteria, I only follow 45 people and some of them are on thin ice ( Im lookin at you Scoble)
- James Hunter
"Where in The Net is Robert San Diego?" (cit.) :-)
- Luca Perugini
from iPhone
I'm not kissing your arse,but i do learn a lot listening to you.
- Paul Downing
@scobleizer why would you randomly follow people who comment in this post when you just got done knocking FFollo and having to unfollow a gazillion people on Twitter?
- Bryan Zirkel
Bryan: because I'm following people one by one and putting them into lists on my screen. Autofollowing means you aren't doing ANY of that thinking. Also, autofollowing will get you spammers, if they ever show up (and they will).
- Robert Scoble
@Robert: Read your blogpost and that's indeed what I look at to follow people too. No autofollow and even close friends have to tell something interesting for me to (keep) following. Friends who are new to Twitter (no tweets yet) get the benefit of doubt.
- Patrick Mackaaij
If you follow me, great, but if you don't I'll understand. :) And I ought to do some pruning myself...
- Grant Bierman
Let's give it a try. :0)
- Toma Kazakov
I still don't understand how you want to follow someone who just writes a comment over here. Well, this is not the first time. I did not understand why and how you followed 100k people. I find it hard to properly follow 100 people.
- Sumanth Kolar
Sumanth: obviously there are degrees of "following." When you read the New York Times, do you read the entire paper word for word? I don't. Same when I'm following. I only get random slices of some of my lists. Others, which have 500 people on them, get 100% read.
- Robert Scoble
I'm still here . . . although tired after teaching all day. Louis Gray came to my PR class at SFSU and WOWED the 50 students [except for one who thinks we are making too much of social media] We won't be following him.
- Shari Weiss
I like cheese!
- Paul Puri
Shari: Louis wows me too. Glad to see the class is getting into it.
- Robert Scoble
He he :)
- Richard Holas
I still like the "stranger stream" of Twitter vs "friend feed" of other applications. I don't feel the need to read all tweets from everybody - and tools let me check my fave tweeples. I think mass unfollowing destroys some of the social contract - Robert you are lucky because you are well liked and can do some risky things but companies for example (not Brands of One) would be in...
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- Laurel Papworth
As @charleneli predicted back in January, 2009 will be the year of de-friending on social networks. It's here.
- Mark Evans
Laurel: yeah, you have to navigate these waters carefully if you are representing a brand, that's for sure!
- Robert Scoble
you can put me on your boring list...
- Charles Tanton
i will not get followed back: not powerful, don't have a brand, not a news maker... but i kinda understand the reasons
- Dani Martínez
I still think it all goes into how you use twitter. If your using it as a communication tool it depends on if you are looking for broadcast or 2 way. Its interesting to watch as some of the bigger names turn back from the broadcast and go back to the 2 way.
- Luke Kilpatrick
@Robert so when you're taking in information from FF do you have a feed of several dozen/hundred "key" people and then categorize the rest, or are you mainly searching? Do you utilize groups at all or mainly just rely on what comes across your feeds? I guess I'm curious as to how you're using FF to collect information.
- Bryan Zirkel
I have found Twitter becomes noise rather than a conversation once the following/follower thing gets over a certain mark. I think this is the dirty little secret of Twitter - if it just turns into white noise, rather than a filter, then it becomes less than useful.
- Michael Liss
I'm interested in how we'll all feel over the next few years as social networks continue to change and more people and organizations get on them. Obviously, many of us are getting fed up with spammers and are unfollowing them on Twitter and Facebook. I am also having a hard time keeping up with new subscribers on FriendFeed because I know less about them from their profiles and have to...
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- Cathryn Hrudicka
BTW, I feel like I'm finding lots of interesting new people to follow from these discussions that Robert and others are holding on FF. Cool!
- Cathryn Hrudicka
Am I too late to comment and get followed?
- Hichame Assi
I'm definitely around :)
- KyNam Doan
Aren't you following me already? If not, you should be! LoL
- Thomas Ward
I'm definitely late to be followed. :D
- Faraz Mullick
I don't get it but ok :)
- Parvez Halim
LOL! I follow those I find interesting and which can give me useful information. And hope someone follows me for the same reasons.
- Flavio
Very interesting post - I've always thought that you guys who follow loads of people must get completely swamped by noise! Like you, I've found it useful to follow companies I use that have interesting products like Zoho and Evernote as a way of keeping up to date with their latest innovations. Excellent idea spelling out your "follow criteria" - it needs to become standard etiquette for social networks so that people don't get offended when they aren't followed back :) .
- David Meredith
aren't you doing the same thing here, that you did in Twitter? Choose carefully who you follow, filling your brain with pollution doesn't make you smarter
- Allison
Just finished reading the Mashable post on your unfollow exercise. It's attracting attention from all the other big names now.
- George Hall (Australia)
Very interesting indeed, I only to unfollow a few, cause I just never had auto follow on.. So now I just unfollow the ones I'm bored of..
- Jaap Willem
Seems like a good idea. Although Louis Gray also has a few valid points on his latest blog post why it might be a mistake http://bit.ly/19UKxk
- Silver Hage
I've never understood the auto-follow procedure on any social network. Even on Facebook, where it is obligatory, one can still lower the noise by simply hiding the updates of those who want to follow you, but perhaps also have little personal connection and therefore can be hidden.
- Noah Gray
It seems like the unfollowing was the easy part. Choosing who to follow again must have been a chore. I think it is crucial in twitter (and FriendFeed for that matter) to have a clear out every six months or so otherwise you get bogged down in an information feed you don't really care about.
- Chris Nixon
I can totally understand why you had to do this. I'm following 2700-ish folks on Twitter and I need 3 groups to manage it (using TweetDeck). I feel I am keeping up with most of my local community and the general tech community at large though I'm sure I'm still missing quite a bit of stuff from people who are not in the 3 groups. I also wonder how much more I can actually handle.
- Ken Seto
Um... well, I made something of myself, but then I didn't like what I made, so now I'm doing it all over again. Not sure how that fits with your criteria! Plus, I really don't have a brand or any influence to speak of. I do look great in boxers, however.
- Mark "DerBingle" J
OK, OK, changed my picture. Instead of a green clock (a clock is my personal brand) I put a picture of myself. A lot of people told me to do that....
- Bora Zivkovic
I am still looking for info on holographic technology being used for news delivery. Perhaps it's a technology that hasn't even been invented yet or is sitting on a shelf somewhere. What say you? http://specialdee.wordpress.com/2009...
- Denise
Hoping your new look account has had the desired effect. No need to follow me, I'm not the interesting type, I'll just be glad if your insights, links & content continues. Congrats & good luck
- JanLawrence
Here's what's interesting, Robert, I've noticed an uptick in followers even if you reply or RT or like someone's tweet, not just if you follow that person. Then again, perhaps that's the intent - if you like or RT someone's idea, that's a kind of stamp of approval.
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Hej hej!
- Peter
The Scoble Pendulum.. How long till we go back to FOLLOW!! FOLLOW!!! FOLLOW!!!! ? :)
- Adrian Scicluna
I did a purge on Facebook for the same reasons a few months ago. It's under 300 and it's people I actually care about. I've come "this close" to running a purge on Twitter but haven't yet. Maybe this will spark me to do it. I've kept FF tight from the beginning.
- Rob Williams
moving from FB to FF ... fewer, longer, more meaningful threads. welcoming your follow. cheers
- marc calamia
ok, you´re following me already :-)
- Torsten Eckert
alright - follow me... - thx in advance Robert Scoble...
- Nilesh
All that commenting in the past counts for nothing?
- Kevin Gamble
Hey Robert... Great post... On FriendFeed, I increasingly put people without meaningful and valuable content on a separate feed that I rarely check... Its a more "sensible" way to unfollow, i think... I only unsubscribe if I get pissed at someone etc. I wish, FF gave users the option to only unsubscribe from comments and likes (but keep the main feed). This would be a good tool to control the noise...
- Onur Kabadayi
I agree with Robert (duh!). I very briefly made the effort of checking out the new follows and deciding whether to follow back. I think once I hit a thousand I shifted to a model of occasionally saying, "If you want me to follow you, talk to me." Hit two thousand and quit saying anything or checking followers. I don't care if they follow me as long as they either say useful things like real people or don't talk at all. I've never autofollowed back. This strategy works for me.
- Patricia F. Anderson
I have a large difference between people I follow (around 2000) and people who follow me (around 1800) - I choose people who are important sources of information. People choose me if they think I am an important source of information to them. I never thought it would have to be a one-to-one relationship as to who is useful to whom: some are informative, others are good listeners and learners. I learn from people I follow and I hope my followers learn from me.
- Bora Zivkovic
I also think that those of us who follow larger numbers of people don't use the stream in the same way. It is more dipping in and out of the stream, trusting that the important stuff will be repeated enough to float to the top, engaging with conversations of the moment. I wrote a blogpost on this earlier this year: http://etechlib.wordpress.com/2009...
- Patricia F. Anderson
Someone told me twitter can be separated into two types. (id say at least two)
- Kay Proskin
Scoble, I am beginning to think you are a cult leader :). Look at all these comments! I am using FF more and more these days... Useful for eGuiders.com that's for sure.
- Marc Ostrick
I'm not sure your following me.
- Amit Morson
Hey Scobie :D Follow me !
- paniaguai
I like Robert. He was one of the first people I followed on Twitter and brought me to FF. But I don't understand why people are desperate to have him follow them. Status? Some kind of virtual autograph?
- Tech Introvert
What the heck. Follow me if you like. I'll be as entertaining & informative as I can.
- Aaron Schaub
from iPod
Been considering doing the same. Your post just might be the flame that lights a fire you-know-where to get it done.
- Kate
Well done! Who need followers that aren't reading your tweets anyway.
- Sean Rasmussen
I just want a toaster!
- ZuDfunck
I'm considering doing same once I'm more confident in my use of FriendFeed. I RT'd this and it resonated with at least one of my followers.
- Tony Hollingsworth
'Hand-crafted personal network' is the meme of the moment, and whilst I can see the workmanship, where's the value going to be for you, Robert, in following this rag-tag (no offence people :) ) of folks from a gazillion different verticals. (OK, so they're mostly life scientists).
- Andrew Spong
I use to want to be Bob Dylan. Now I am not so sure.
- ZuDfunck
um.....
- Spencer
My take: you can't be an authentic, credible voice to your community if you let 'sex & dollars' spammers hang on to your coattails. Spam followers matter.... in a bad way. Allowing them to be associated with you diminishes your potential value to genuine followers. It's a pain. It takes time. It's worth doing. More on this, if interested: http://tr.im/vJwb
- Andrew Spong
I'll have mine to go.
- ZuDfunck
Hope to see more "old fashioned blogging", like it better than tweets. Tweets are bound to disappear into oblivion the moment they're posted.
- Willem (@wim66) ☠
"Spam followers matter.... in a bad way." - I certainly agree with this. I block pornbots just as quickly as they follow me. I'm less vigilant about the commercial follows, but usually they go away by themselves after a while.
- John Craft
You're already following me here (don't care about twitter tough), so i just hope you don't un-follow, even though you probably don't understand what i'm talking about most of the time, since it's in portuguese.
- Diego Sana
So what happened to the advantages to following so many people you always talked about?
- Bas
Thanks for connecting here, still learning all the advantages of FF
- carece
@Andrew Regarding spam followers and the idea that allowing them to follow you somehow dilutes your credibility, I just have to disagree. To me that places the burden on the wrong person. I don't have time to waste pruning those who follow me, unless they are overtly annoying.My stream is public, they can follow me anyway. What matters to me is that the spammers leave me alone. If they don't, I block them. If they keep quiet, I don't care.
- Patricia F. Anderson
What is important is not who follows me, but who *I* follow.
- Patricia F. Anderson
Follow me if you want, but I gotta warn ya, it's scintillating stuff!
- Pierce Presley
Funny my twitter feed is much noisier but I have been very selective on who I follow. I have tried to make the feed relevant and actionable. At times I post things that seem out of the norm on my twitter feed but that is mainly for the few people who follow me that don't get it but I am trying to keep up their interest level. I also control who follows me, yes this breaks the model but I think the follow everyone model was broken and reckless
- Richard Gallo
Am I interesting? Dunno. I'm often controversial, tho. ;) BTW, we met in person at a Pittsburgh Blogfest, but I really don't expect you to remember that.
- Eric Williams
Enjoyed the post. I just started Twitter a few days ago to get away from Facebook. I like friendfeed the best - can't wait until it becomes more mainstream.
- Robby Parker
Awesome move. Consider that my comment please :)
- Charlotte Barker
friendfeed is definitively more evolved that Twitter. Conversely, user bases of Twitter is still its real (and unique) point of strenght...
- Marco Castellani
Don't want you to follow me (unless you find my stream of interest) but it's quite interesting the number of people that comment to get you to follow!
- Ben Drury
Hey Robert! So, I would like to talk to you about a social media company I'm working with right now. They launched a few months ago and their trajectory and momentum is pretty amazing. Oh, and I started unfollowing the noise in my Twitter after I commented on your blog post.
- Gregg Le Blanc
I'm asking the same thing Bas asked... what about your video on the benefits of following so many people? I took a stab at that method of madness by starting to follow all kinds of people, and following anyone that followed me... but I always felt like I was missing good content from good people because of all the "spam". I started to use TweetDeck to create groups/columns for...
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- Timothy Federwitz
@Patricia - reminds me that I should probably review all my twitter followers and thin things down. :)
- JA Castillo
thanks
- Keith
I like conversing with interesting people. Sometimes that means commenting to get followed, @cogiva. ;)
- Eric Williams
Hi Scoble!
- Pete Gilbert
I did almost the same thing - unfollowed about 1000 from my 1500, no attention is way better
- Maarten den Braber
Couldn't agree more. It's about time we all grew up. BTW Don't follow me. :-)
- Gee Ranasinha
Robert what's the deal with Twitter?
- stockmanmarc
Your post makes good sense. I didn't auto-follow & still find folks to unfollow because their noise gets too loud.
- Debra Ellis
Very clever. I imagine the signal to noise is sooooo much better.
- Chris Brogan
I've been thinking about unfollowing a bunch twitter folks as well. I'll look at SocialToo again. My initial experience with SocialToo wasn't good. However, it was during their infancy.
- Ron Hudson
I don't blame you at all. Leo was all over that yesterday.
- Daniel B. Honigman
why would simply leaving a comment prompt you to follow me?
- David Wescott
You're not going to change your mind and mass unfollow us are you?
- walidmREALTOR
Sup! :-)
- Jon Winters
I suspect it identifies you as a real person interested in dialog, David.
- Eric Williams
Followers are currency and you have plenty to spend
- Lee Odden
Bob, did you do anything on Twitter recently ? Did you massively refollow people ? Seems like you screwed up Twitter : down for a while... ;-)
- Enikao
Follow me! @carloscomputers
- carloscomputers
very cool timing with just before twitter goes down hard! well done Robert! @crbrowning
- Colin
@davidorban
- David Orban
I've followed you and have really enjoyed your posts. I think I would miss that
- Tom
Good to hear that your experiment has stopped the spam @lindsaydavies
- Lindsay Davies
ciao Robert!
- alex
Your ego is amazing. You make it seem like it is a special deal to be followed by you. I'm glad there are many very bright, talented people here who follow others, regardless of class, education, social status and not based on some snobbish criteria.
- RuthNH
DON'T follow me! I write in Italian :-)
- Lorenzo Strambi
Here I be
- Robert
Wow, this is a lot of comments. And kudos for following Followable people who have something interesting to contribute to your day. I'm glad you did it, because that means you'll find AND share more interesting things. This, in turn, makes you more followable too. Thanks for seeing the light, so to speak.
- ax0n
You killed twitter.
- Melissa Pierce
and now with twitter down, many will flock to here!
- Mark V. Fusco
Did this take down Twitter this morning Robert?
- frank barry
That must of taken a long time :-) I've always been a fan of twitter, but I must say they have struggled in the last few weeks. We are working with their API on a project and their seems to be an issue every other day that causes problems. Do they have what it takes?
- Chris Nadeau
I follow under 200 people and it's great. I can't imagine 1k+ . I add about three or four a month.
- Mike Janicke
I unfollow people when I find I ignore their tweets/updates. After reading your blog, I think we ALL need to be more judicious.
- Janet Barker-Evans
Is this why Twitter is down? LOL! Can't check to see if you unfollowed me. Hope not. You, Shel Israel, and Jeremiah Owyang were some of the very first people I followed way back before Twitter even had 100,000 people on the service. -- It's been a fun ride but, of course, the spammers always show up to make things difficult.
- Brenda Young
How do you really know if you should be following someone until you follow them for a while? Sometimes I don't start talking to someone until I see a common interest, then I tweet back and we start talking, but that could be months later. I don't follow everyone back, but I follow back those that interact. I will unfollow once I see that won't happen, or I don't like their tweets.
- Nadine Gilden
Twitter is victime of it own success, they have to re learn how to scal better, but more important they have to learn to share better.
- abdellah
looks like you'll need to follow at least 343 people LOL
- Shari Weiss
Friendfeed takes over for twitter finally?
- Thomas Resing
@Patricia I don't want potential followers to be put off by who is following me. I wouldn't want them to think I care more about have n+1 followers than I do about what they're going to see if they review who I've allowed to follow me. Not to cull spammers suggests I care more about my experience than theirs. To a great extent, the quality of their experience will determine the quality...
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- Andrew Spong
1600 ... isn't that a big number too? It could be you'll think again before you follow every one here :)
- Mario Gastaldi
Hi... do I get a follow?
- Jason Mayoff
If you are already following me. Will you double follow me? :)
- Brady
Still waiting for my Building 43 t-shirt. Not that I'm bitter or anything. ;-)
- Donna Tuttle
Respect your opinion Robert but we'll have to agree to disagree. Yes I despise all the FakePornSpamBots who follow me. I block as many as I can, but can't keep up. Our views differ regarding what is important to SEE! I treasure home Home stream! I read it, refresh, read, refresh and in minutes I have the pulse of the world... at least MY world! EVERYONE has something of value to share at some point. If I UNfollow tens of thousands, I will miss so much worthy of consideration.
- Arleen Anderson
Just another reason why it's good to diversify, I can still read your posts here. :)
- Luis Sandoval
Cheers!
- Jeff Wiant
Funny. I was catching up on news on Friendfeed for some odd reason. Great post; plenty for new and long-time users alike to consider there.
- Alex Howard
I'm still waiting for the ultimate tool to manage my followings - I can only manage to keep up with about 1/3 of those following me. I'd love to see something that can tell me what friends of mine also follow those that I am or those that are following me. Maybe it's out there and I missed it?
- TheDiva Rockin
Anyone interested in assessing the quality of their followers should check http://tweetblocker.com. It's pretty chastening. I aim to improve on my C rating. http://www.buzzom.com is a fun, fast way of decoupling yourself from non-reciprocal followers. You can select individuals to purge, or flush 50 random non-reciprocal followers at a time.
- Andrew Spong
Robert, your timing could not be better. ;-)
- Dave Martin
Great post, with perfect timing! Dang it, Dave Martin just took it off my lips.
- Vadim Lavrusik
I hereby rename this comment thread neoTwitter <waves at followers>
- Andrew Spong
/me waves
- Kevin Johnson
from iPhone
Awww, you gotta admit, saturation, the level of influence that you have, because of your high follower, count, is a tool of mass destruction. Seriously, did you think if you recommend an online service that people would not try it out? Was this an asassination attempt
- Peter Murphy
I'm glad i'm not the only one who misses /me actions from IRC, Kevin. ;)
- Eric Williams
With today's Twitter outage your timing is pretty stinking good, Robert. :)
- Chris Cree
Now to get the rest of the world to follow that same logic when it comes to follow/unfollow! I only started being more selective as Twitter (and everyone else) started getting aggressive with spammers or anyone that even remotely did a single spammy tweet. Now if only there were the same contact management tools available for the other social networks as with Twitter. No matter what though, I'll continue updating my status when I eat a peanut butter sandwich! (With Fluff of course!).
- Paul Monaco
Twitter couldn't handle the mass unfollow load, blew up...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I've been followed by Robert Scoble :-)
- David Finch
Follow iPolitics
- Jacob Kobi Gamliel
Now I think that it is time to think about a way to make money using Twitter.
- abdellah
@Mark, +1. When in doubt, the default delegation of blame goes to Robert.
- Dave Martin
what is critical mass for twitter? Too few and nobody interacts, Too many and spam bots overwhelm, Is it 1K or 2K needed to get a real experience?
- WarLord
Hmm can you unsubscribe from "comment notification via e-mail" in FF on a *specific* topic? This one :-)
- Patrick Mackaaij
Of course I thonk it is a different experience if you hand follow reading each bio from the beginning then these mass purges are unnecessary
- WarLord
I thought you already followed me. lol
- Duane-PreppyDude
Not sure if you do, but here I am...
- Aron Michalski
I am intrigued how RT addict will RT now?!! (ps: FF please don't post this to my twitter)
- abdellah
I have been keeping my twitter account private a majority of the time lately b/c I am going through a divorce, but I really kinda like it. Have been reducing followers as well as the number I follow.
- Jackson Miller
You should follow me here in FF and on Twitter too!
- Karthi
hopefully most of us have proven our worth beyond commenting on this single thread
- andy brudtkuhl
I like the way you operate, Scoble. Thanks in advance for the follow!
- Dr. Frank Ramblings, Ph.D
Nice way of doing it...
- Charles
No need to follow me unless you are actually going to engage in conversation with me.
- Jeff Hurt
If you're already following and we comment, will you unfollow? *wink Hoping all is well your way!
- Dayngr
4&5 are my favorite! Those are big reasons I decide to follow someone too.
- Kelly Mitton
I'm lucky. Have never had Twitter spam. But then again I'm no Scoble either :)
- Lori Reed
I am the peanut butter eating bot
- Benjamin Spector
If you are already following me on ff does that mean I get a cookie or something? ;-)
- Tomy Thomson
I'll add my name to the list. I came back to FF after the Twitter DoS outage. Maybe Scoble broke Twitter by all his unfollowing. He was the "glue" holding Twitter together. :-)
- Tom Newman
Robert: Here's the bit you missed off the end of your title here: .... and put them in that group I don't read :-)
- Jim Connolly
Hi Robert, greetings from germany.
- Flynn (Michael A. Volz)
add me for your social media and the practice of law news!
- Rex Gradeless
Great post. I'm sure that some people might say that this kind of mass unfollowing will hurt Twitter, but I think it's just the opposite. Users who are following people they have no interest in just to pad their own numbers are diminishing the meaning of "following."
- Mark Denton
@Ulrichmargarita
- Ulrichmargarita
To stave off being unfollowed we need to comment here ya say?
- Jason
you are already following me here... perhaps you'll consider re-following me on twitter too
- tinym dot com
I don't know how you ever did it the other way. I am not in the tech world near as much as I used to be, which wasn't a whole lot. I just followed some random people I saw on SMugMug-related people on here when I started. You were one of them. I had no idea who you were (and still don't :-), but you talked about Twitter a lot too, which got me on there as well. Both services have really...
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- James Schipper
Follow away!
- Ferdinand Perez
ok 400 jackpot
- abdellah
Quality over quantity in all things, including (perhaps especially) Twitter. Loved your friending methodology -- those are the same rules I've applied since being on Twitter. Posted them onto Posterous to share the love with credit to you: http://lorilaurentsmith.posterous.com/
- Lori Laurent Smith
it's not about unfollowing, it's about filtering...
- Barak Hachamov
I started out following everyone on Twitter.Then I got wise. When someone's stream becomes more noise than signal, that's when I consider unfollowing. I realize that threshhold is different for everyone, but I'll take "what I had for lunch" over a dozen bogus "marketing tips" any day.
- Julie Barrett
from twhirl
Well, I am trying to use FriendFeed more after watching Scoble's video on all those monitors he had up. I'm not a big consumer of information and don't own a TV but this online social stuff has been a perfect fit into my life because I can connect with people who are fountains of knowledge on a specific subject or are "human mashups". I like both!
- Adria Richards
Why !?
- Bertrand Soulier
from iPhone
I've been reading al of this unfollow bits, and this point of yours:
- Donna
Hey, I think that today you might make your point about FriendFeed being more interesting than Twitter. Hope you are well. Talked with @fransteps this morning and she is excited to work with you at Rackspace.
- Kami Huyse
hi
- George Desmyter
I would appreciate the follow, thanks!
- Jeff Reisdorfer
I've been reading all of this un-follow posts lately, and this point of yours in WHY you unfollowed: "#2 Because I personally care about everyone I am following their noise level is a LOT lower. ." Is exactly what I do. And now I am starting to understand Friendfeed more. and using posterous to do aggregate posts. So is this overload making more people sit up and think first? I think so. At least the intelligent ones.
- Donna
I love you Scoble! ;)
- Carol Levesque
with all due sycophantism :)
- jeff hammond
This is a great move, Robert. It's also a lot more human...I was almost convinced that you were the only person who could actually drink from the fire hose without choking.
- Steffan Antonas
That sounds fair. After this morning, I've renewed my love for FriendFeed and Tweetworks. Until the next DDos attacks, of course. I will miss the fake porn stars, but I did when I moved from L.A.
- Scott Pierce
Steffan; I agree...there is no way anyone else could do what Robert S. does. It's good to see him become human.
- Robert Jones
This has been my problem for about the past six months. I routinely go in and unfollow, get the noise level down to where I want it, and then end up following back a bunch of new people, some of whom I'm incredibly grateful to get to know. When I had track, it was a whole lot easier to manage the stream, but I suspect even that tool would now be out of hand. I have a set of rules for...
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- Karoli
hee hee. i am commenting not so much to beg your follow but what a clever pitch:)
- Tresha Thorsen
Robert - I have not read all 416 comments so if this was asked and you answered forgive me. What was the all of a sudden revelation that caused you to reverse stance on Twitter Followers?
- Jeff Vreeland
It's difficult to maintain and filter a list on all the social networking sites. I cannot even imagine maintaining the kinds of lists you must deal with, Robert.
- Jeremy Brooks
Dude, you broke Twitter! When you unfollowed all of your 100,000 the other day you pulled the rug right out from under it, so it fell down and now it can't reach its beer. :-)
- Robert Morrison
Actually I felt rather sad being fav'ed by you on FriendFeed then dumped.. But again. I get more from you from FriendFeed, so oh well, stop talking about Following and Get on more with Tech! :P
- Du Senyao Peter
Me Me! lol!
- Bill McGehee
i like the idea of importing favorite tweets into friendfeed. i haven't used that favorite feature much because i haven't seen any real use in it. thanks!
- Jonathan Blundell
When twitter is down I always wish I could tweet: checkout friendfeed. Nevertheless, how will following folk that leave a message here really improve the quality of your input? While I don't want to judge many of the fine folk on this thread, are they all that interesting? In other words, isn't this the start of the same problem you had on Twitter...
- Jon Mountjoy
what like here? this is a comment :)
- michelle harris
Barak - isn't filtering just unfollowing while pretending you're still following? ;)
- Matthew Blaisdell
Well to bounce back on your Twitter is down comment I think it is time to watch this video again http://www.youtube.com/watch... Hilarious!
- 77Agency
Robert, I'm glad you decided to stop auto-follow (finally). :)
- Veronica Sopher
I'm in
- Jeroen Sangers
from Nambu
works for mw
- Brendan Jackson
from twhirl
Robert, but why clutter your FriendFeed stream? This comment is not to get you to courtesy follow me on FriendFeed, think you've established you've changed your thinking. :)
- L.P. NEENZ FALEAFINE
OK, I have enough people to follow so I will close the comments on this thread. Thank you everyone, I will try to get to everyone today.
- Robert Scoble
Only 5% of Twitter's users account for 75% of all the activity on the service; nearly 33% of that is from bots: http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
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Bots, they are spreading and becoming active than ever.
- ashish
I got back at them. I unfollowed all of them. :-)
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
are there bots on FF too?
- Justin Long
So far not seen "bots" on Friendfeed. I hope never.
- ashish
"Bots"... I hate bots...
- Robert Rose
They used to be on the forums so much...looks like they all found their new toy.
- Rob Sellen :o)
It's not about search but "improving the way information finds you, rather than the way you find information." http://www.forbes.com/2009... --Techdirt's @mmasnick
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I love that someone with 18 followers just unfollowed me because she thinks I don't know how to use social media...
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That happens to me all the time.
- Robert Scoble
Does anyone "really" know how to use social media?
- David Damore
lol, that's hilarious!
- Melissa Cherry
Looks like Scoble beat me on getting the first comment ;)
- David Damore
It's the noobs like Guy who ruin it for the rest of us. :)
- Chris Foley
David - That's probably because you don't know how to use social media! ;-)
- Herb Hernandez
How do you even know that? You have almost 155K followers. How do you track who comes and goes, let alone their reason?
- Chris Spizzirri
Chris: ever hear of @replies? I see everything you say about me.
- Robert Scoble
Maybe you were really annoying and just posted link after link after link after link. Are YOU the example of what's correct in the world of social media? Is someone with 18 followers somehow wrong>
- Tyler Hurst
@Herb Hernandez Ouch ;) ;)
- David Damore
Scoble: Of course I've heard of @replies. Seems condescending for you to ask. Either way, Guy didn't say that's how he knew, so I asked rather than assumed.
- Chris Spizzirri
I personally AM willing to assume that Guy knows about @replies. Just saying...
- Chris Foley
Of course he does. We all do. But discounting someone with a limited number of followers smacks of condescension. Nice attitude.
- Tyler Hurst
Tyler: sorry, but sometimes that attitude is correct. Why does everyone's opinion count equally? And here it didn't seem to be condescension, but rather a blowback. Anyone who says they are unfollowing is being a jerk. Just unfollow quietly. Someone who says they are unfollowing intends to injure and SHOULD be met with condescension.
- Robert Scoble
Not only does Guy know how to use Social Media, so do the people who tweet for him!
- Garin Kilpatrick
Garin: that actually was Guy. When his staff tweets for him they include their initials after the Tweet.
- Robert Scoble
Here's an interesting argument: I agree mostly with Scoble here, but there is a communication issue in business today. Most people, when faced with a "bad" experience, they will simply discontinue patronizing that business. They will then tell all of their friends about the bad experience. This behavior creates a churn that's very difficult to track and understand. I personally love any...
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- Chris Foley
Robert - I agree with you in part. I hate people who announce they are unfollowing, but also can't stand people who then complain about that same thing. Guy did the near equivalent of what the first person did. Shouldn't we expect more from you popular kids?
- Tyler Hurst
Tyler: no, we're human and we like lashing back just as much as anyone else does.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - okay, but we still can and should hold people like you, guy, brogan and others to a higher standard. It's just part of leading the charge.
- Tyler Hurst
Should we be thrusting the mantle of "role model" on these guys because they were here first, and caught fire?
- Chris Foley
Chris - oh heck no. Not role model. I don't think we should aspire to BE them, but we should expect more from them.
- Tyler Hurst
Chris: people with a big audience do have a bigger responsibility, yes. But then if we stop taking risks and stop being human we get boring and then we'll do no one any good. Personally Guy is making a point tonight. Those on Twitter are often full of crap and who said that people who are full of crap should be listened to, or engaged with, or even coddled? Anyway, I'm off to bed.
- Robert Scoble
um, I just wanted to Tweet to Guy that we're all talking about him over on his FriendFeed account. See ya!
- Robert Scoble
And that last statement is why most of us don't have to worry about Scoble fading out or becoming irrelevant. Nice.
- Tyler Hurst
Scoble, I don't expect anything more from you because you have a larger audience, but I do recognize (as you obviously also do) that you have a bigger opportunity for positive (or negative) impact. I like my leaders as real as can be, and that includes the occasional barking. Keep taking risks, and thanks to you and Guy for having your necks out there.
- Chris Foley
Thats amazing, saying that to guy with 154,953 Twitter followers
- Luis Torres
Hmmm. interesting conversation here. So, what really is Guy' problem? someone unfollowing him, or someone with ONLY 18 followers unfollowing him? seems to be the latter! I like how @scobelizer just generalized everyone on twitter as full of crap. Amazing!!!
- Ramesh Prabhu
Ramesh - I'm mostly full of crap. I have 2300ish followers. Does that make me important at all?
- Tyler Hurst
Luis - who cares about followers?
- Tyler Hurst
Scoble: I meant you were being condescending to me by asking if I knew about @replies. I expect Guys know about them also. Incidentally, your opinion (or the opinion of the other elites) is no better than anyone else's. Just because someone only has 18 followers doesn't mean they deserve your condescension, nor do they deserve it if they choose to announce the reason for their decision...
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- Chris Spizzirri
That'll teach ya ;)
- Cookenstein
Chris Spizzirri, don't you think you're taking that comment a little bit personally? What Scoble said to you seemed a bit tongue in cheek to me. But to you it was condescending, which means he's an a-hole (your words.) That's a pretty big character judgement made from one 4 word sentence.
- Chris Foley
and.... crickets from Scoble. Typical.
- Chris Spizzirri
Chris: I am potty training my two year old and responding to other things than your condescension.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I love how someone with a billion followers on twitter asks how to follow on FriendFeed :)
- Robert Higgins
Spizzirri - Hey, thanks for taking over the biggest douchebag in the thread from me! Some ppl's opinions ARE less important than others.
- Tyler Hurst
brush it off - you're the man!
- shaun mclane
Chris Foley, no the character judgement was not made from a 4 word sentence, but from the entire thread, and who do you think is making the character judgment here? who's making the assumption that someone with only 18 followers knows nothing? who's making the assumption that no on on twitter knows diddly squat? Gimme a break!
- Ramesh Prabhu
Scoble: Try paying attention to your kid and ignore the internets for a minute. OK? Also, try being less arrogant.
- Chris Spizzirri
@Chris Foley: No I don't. He was being condescending. Read the whole thread.
- Chris Spizzirri
It's so cute that Spizzirri gets so mad at Scoble.
- Tyler Hurst
@Tyler: You're welcome, and you've proven your own point! Well done!
- Chris Spizzirri
@Tyler: What's it like being a Scoble fanboy?
- Chris Spizzirri
I did read the whole thread (Chris Spizzirri and Remesh Prabhu). I've been in since the 5th comment. I don't see people being condescending here. I see people airing their opinions. I also see you and Remesh putting words into the mouths of others. If I disagree with you, am I also condescending? Chris Spizzirri seems to me to be looking for a fight here, he's now lashing out and...
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- Chris Foley
@Chris - WTF are you talking about? Now you're going after me? Man, you're a dick!
- Tyler Hurst
I don't like being condescended to, that's what's under my skin. How is Scoble asking me if I've ever "heard of @replies" not condescending? If I'm on FF, it's safe to assume I know about and understand Twitter. Moreover, as I pointed out, Guy never said he knew from an @reply--Scoble assumed that. I was just asking a question, but got his smarmy reply.
- Chris Spizzirri
It takes arrogance to tell me to stop being arrogant.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
@Tyler - "It's so cute that Spizzirri gets so mad at Scoble" and "Spizzirri - Hey, thanks for taking over the biggest douchebag in the thread from me! Some ppl's opinions ARE less important than others." How again are you surprised that I don't like you?
- Chris Spizzirri
Chris, we're clearly very different guys here. If Scoble ribs me, I'm going to rib him back. I'm not going to get all bent out of shape, and get angry, and in getting angry, become a bigger jerk in retaliation than he was being in the first place. When I see you getting all pissed of because of some opinion that a stranger has, I have to wonder what is wrong with you, not wrong with that stranger and his silly opinion.
- Chris Foley
Stop being arrogant, Robert Scoble! No? Alright. You can stay as you are.
- Jason Huebel
@Scoble: "It takes arrogance to tell me to stop being arrogant." I don't agree. How do you figure?
- Chris Spizzirri
Um @Chris, hate to break it to you, but Scoble's first comment wasn't condescending toward you, he was trying to make a point. I never said I was surprised, I just said you were a dick. Thanks for helping degrade the conversation!
- Tyler Hurst
people are people so why should it be you and i should get along so awfully
- Robert Higgins
It takes arrogance to disagree with someone who is arrogant too.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I disagree with that statement :)
- Chris Saad
Chris Tyler is right. You are overreacting to my prod.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Could be that the person with only 18 followers has a kind of native wisdom we all might learn something from, hey? ;-)
- Kathy Fitch
Scoble seems to be in a bunch of flamewars and arguments lately, like, within the last month. I think it's all a big experiment.
- Eric Florenzano
@Chris Foley: Fair enough, but things that Scoble says get under my skin more than someone else because of his stature. I think his comment was rude. If you had said that to me I likely wouldn't have paid any mind, but when Scoble treats people like that it's different. Whether he likes it or not, he's made himself an ambassador here, and wisecracks to newcomers aren't very diplomatic....
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- Chris Spizzirri
Yawn. All this over someone unfollowing Guy.
- Rick Cogley
You started it by not understanding how I could see everything said about me. That demonstrated you haven't learned about how @ replies work. That is all.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
@Scoble: "It takes arrogance to disagree with someone who is arrogant too." You've just restated what you said before, but you haven't explained. I understand what you are saying: I must be arrogant to say that you are. What's the basis for your claim: "It takes one to know one"? Do you have something more substantial?
- Chris Spizzirri
@Chris Spizzirri. Thanks for your last explanation. I appreciate that kind of straight communication. I find that a lot more productive than when we resort to finger pointing and name calling. I also don't disagree with you there.
- Chris Foley
Chris: don't you get I am just poking you?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Why don't boy fights ever involve anything interesting, like jello or something. Sigh.
- Kathy Fitch
2 X Chris UFFFFFFFF
- Johni Fisher
@Tyler - Pretty sure the sentence "Now you're going after me?" indicates surprise, but thanks for calling me a dick without provocation. Boy, this is my first real foray into a FF conversation, and it sure seems like mob mentality dominates.
- Chris Spizzirri
Kathy: those are on my pay-per-view channel. Chris: geesh, two people are now a mob? And +I+ am arrogant?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Whipped cream could also work.
- Kathy Fitch
No @Chris, you just don't understand how to participate in a threaded conversation with multiple people. It's not personal until you make it. Learn to banter. Learn to see beyond the literal definition. LIGHTEN UP. @kathy, how about something manly, like caramel?
- Tyler Hurst
I dunno, Robert, some things just can't be purchased, but must emerge naturally. Or so I think.
- Kathy Fitch
But I like red jello. Just FYI.
- Kathy Fitch
As it happens, caramel could totally work. Is butterscotch manly? It does have "scotch" in it.
- Kathy Fitch
Okay, the value of this thread has petered out for me. Thanks all for sticking with it. And Kathy, thanks for making me hungry.
- Chris Foley
@Foley did you say you're UNFOLLOWING our conversation? The other @Chris might see that as condescending. Please apologize.
- Tyler Hurst
@Scoble - again with the condescension. I know how @ replies work. I already said that. Guy didn't say that's how he knew, so I asked how he knew. You started it by assuming it was via @ reply. I sure hope this is an experiment of your's (as someone suggested above), and that you're not really this much of a jerk to people who disagree with you. I've had a boat load of fun here in FF...
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- Chris Spizzirri
Any time, Chris. Robert, I suggest posting a sample on B43. That would go viral, for sure.
- Kathy Fitch
@Chris, if your friends are anything like you, we'll all be sure to ridicule them.
- Tyler Hurst
Spizzirri: I looked again at this thread and all I see is YOUR condescension. Geesh. I have explained what I meant and you just turned up the heat hotter. Why?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Alright, I'm at a disadvantage, because FF stops updating the thread and I miss out on replies while I'm typing. Replies that would be enlightening. @Scoble - maybe I was being too sensitive, but you should be more aware of how the things you write are interpreted. Sarcasm is the most difficult thing to convey in writing and is prone to misinterpretation. I didn't come here to get in a...
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- Chris Spizzirri
Chris: I have no idea whether you are a newbie or not. If you are met with an arrogant (to you) reply the RIGHT answer is to ask questions and explain yourself, not to start throwing bombs.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Ryo: hint. Guy was making a bigger point than the number of followers.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
you are the leper of social media... mmmm (where's the savior?)
- Jeffrey T. Sooey
It depends on your definition of 'use', I suppose.
- Will Higgins™
@Scoble- I did ask questions and explain myself. How arrogant of you to tell me what the "RIGHT answer" is despite constantly saying 'no one is a social media expert.' I guess you've decide you are now, huh? I have a right to say I thought your reply was rude. What gives you the right to tell me how to interact with ppl here? This is no different than a conversation in person, and I can...
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- Chris Spizzirri
Spizzirri... When an argument flares up, the wise man quenches it with silence. @scoble is prodding you, and not going to be silent. How about you? I know I am ;)
- Ramesh Prabhu
No jello, yet? (Drumming fingers and yawning.)
- Kathy Fitch
Kathy I just blocked that dude so we can bring out the jello.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
@Ramesh - I'm evidently not very wise, but I'm going to take your advice. I think I'm guilty of assuming that Scoble would be better than an average person because he's in a position of prominence. That's my mistake. I apologize for my faulty assumption and for ruining this thread. Good night.
- Chris Spizzirri
He blocked me. What a jerk. I hope this is a lesson to anyone as naive as I was 2 hours ago--Scoble, at least, feels entitled in this space to your deference. Be wary of questioning him or anything he says.
- Chris Spizzirri
lolwut
- Rodfather
Rodfather: what flavor of jello would you like to throw at me? I am throwing lime.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Who are you exactly ? Are you familiar with Twitter, FF and other ICQ ? :-)
- Pierre-Olivier Carles
Yay--no orange, that's all I ask. It's a childhood thing--long and painful story. Suffice it to say that it would utterly destroy the moment. Lime, though, is a good thing.
- Kathy Fitch
If I had jello, I'd be nom'ing it right now. Mandarin orange jello sounds good right now.
- Rodfather
Rodfather: that is why I picked lime. I don't like that flavor and would rather throw it. By the way, I have blocked that Chris dude to save him the pain of having to deal with me.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Always someone who insists on orange. I'm wounded to the very core.
- Kathy Fitch
Grinning and throwing orange jello at Rodfather.
- Kathy Fitch
I question @Scoble's decision to waste perfectly good lime jello. @kathy, i have cherry. FIGHT!
- Tyler Hurst
I just utterly approve of edible weaponry.
- Kathy Fitch
Wow! This thread just became a microcosmic example of why there will always be social and political factions! One seemingly humorous (and innocent) comment is attributed with all sorts of vile motivations, and then those supposed motivations are constructed into a "villain" born of their own attitude, and then the "villain" manufactured by their own imagination is in turn attacked because they don't like the image they're projecting onto him/her/it ... amazing, just amazing! *shakes head and walks away*
- Mark "DerBingle" J
I find it hilarious that Chris Spizzirri is an attorney.
- Tyler Hurst
Tyler: throw some lime jello at him for me!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
At the ER with my wife. Glad I have something to entertain me for the 3+ hours it has been thusfar.
- Herb Hernandez
from iPhone
an attorney who studies Zen, no less.
- Chris Foley
@herb, glad to have helped entertain, I hope you and your wife are okay?
- Chris Foley
you guys
- Paul Greer
Ha!
- Charlie Anzman
# of followers has nothing to do with your understanding of social media. I think some people who claim they know how to use it think its just for spamming and promotion.
- Thac0
I think there is some danger of flooding the zone with tweets. Think about it from a person following just a small handful of people on twitter. If one person is supplying 95% of the tweets they get, it's likely to be really frustrating.
- Trent Hamm
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- Alexander Kruel
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A recent example: http://ff.im/5HTkH
- Ozgur Uckan
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The Selfish gene and the Dawkins dogma - http://www.newscientist.com/article...
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"Scientific metaphor should be about the best interpretation of evidence and about opening up new research vistas. The selfish gene metaphor claims that only genes or replicators are inherited and are essentially immortal, and it offers an interpretation of evolutionary biology in that light. We are testing that empirical claim and finding that things are a lot more complicated and subtle. This must mean that as an organising interpretation of evolutionary biology, the metaphor of the selfish gene and, by extension, that of the extended phenotype, are insufficient. They are now problematic because what they claim or offer is no longer as good as the alternative analyses."
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Uh and what is this alternative?
- Alexander Kruel
"There's no indication from the review that she has clued into the adaptationist vs pluralist controversy that's been at the heart of most criticism of Dawkins for the past thirty years. This seems strange for a person who just got a Ph.D. for studying evolutionary theory. At least New Scientist had the good sense to identify the article as "comment." This should alert readers to take...
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- james reilly
Criticize Dawkins and you are sure to get some attention...in the long run this could backfire. She better has some substantive argumentation in her book.
- Alexander Kruel
For a good introduction to alternatives see "Evolution in four dimensions" http://www.amazon.com/Evoluti... It is difficult to come against scientific establishment, especially in those case that the reigning theory is not wrong but just seriously incomplete as I think the case with 'selfish gene' theory is.
- Spaceweaver
Artificial Intelligence Predicts Gambling Behavior: - http://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast...
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"A simulated neural network is able to predict the bets and wins/losses of gamblers."
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Who Wants to Live Forever? Results from a Global Survey - http://inhumanexperiment.blogspot.com/2009...
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"we're talking about having the option to stay youthful for as long as you wish. Reader's Digest asked this question from people around the world and got some interesting results. Seventeen countries in total participated in the questionnaire, with 150 people in each country surveyed. Here's a quote from the website: So much for eternal youth! Most respondents to our latest global survey are just fine with their limited shelf life here on earth. Not even the younger crowd consistently chooses immortality. In fact, more than 50 percent of those 45 and under in seven countries (including the United States) report that they don't want to live forever. Brazilian youth buck the trend, with 74 percent preferring no expiration date. Two surprises: In the Philippines, everyone over 45 wants life everlasting; in China, not a single older survey-taker does."
- Spaceweaver
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Seriously, those people are all fucking dumb. Of course you should choose to live forever. If you don't like it, you can still decide against it later. Once you are dead, you can't.
- Alexander Kruel
As Aubrey de grey commented once - no one was asked on the last day of his/her life... answers might be different. People usually do not think in terms of eternity but rather in terms of tomorrows. Also attitudes towards radical life extension are certainly dependent on the life experience of individuals and other parameters of fitness which are not physical health.
- Spaceweaver
If you can live forever, you have a lot of time for things to get better. So to decide against life extension on the basis of your current psychic well-being is pretty dumb.
- Alexander Kruel
Of course if one thinks about it rationally, I entirely agree (though there are a few unwarranted assumptions involved). It seems however that many people do not think about it rationally. Regretfully, some simply cannot conceive of a better future, ever.
- Spaceweaver
Think about it: if you always had LexisNexis, would you get how much the world changed for your readers when the Web came?
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I don't know, because there was a lot of mediated searching, right? In the early days, end-user searching was somewhat rare because you had to remember a lot of commands and be trained on the retrieval system. Or are you talking immediately pre-web when end-user searching was already starting to become more common.
- Christina Pikas
Huh?
- Jay Rosen
Do you mean people who had LexisNexis & weren't into the Web in its early years? LN is still useful though
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
I guess it wasn't clear. Let's take John Markoff, silicon valley reporter for the NYTimes. Through the 1980s and 1990s he always had full text access to all other newspapers, trade journals, magazines via LexisNexis. But 99% of his readers did not. After 2000 his readers have something much closer to what he had in the 1980s-90s, but the change would not be as apparent to him because it's not as dramatic... for him. For his readers it's HUGE. Only through a concerted act of imagination would he get this.
- Jay Rosen
Jay we've been having a similar discussion on teh Bad Hair Day podcast. Marshall uses a thing called Greasemonkey to make the browser much more customizable. I don't because I want to have the same experience as the users. On this week's show with two guests, of the four people I was the only one who didn't use Greasemonkey. I never want to lose that connection. It's where ideas for products come from.
- Dave Winer
Media people have always been the mediators/high priests of information dissemination. The Internet has changed this, but the vast majority are still uninformed, even in comparison to media mavens. Its not access, its what you do with it.
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
That being said, I posit reporters have become as lazy and as uninformed as their readers.
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Respectfully I don't think you get what I am asking, Aaman.
- Jay Rosen
I don't know. I mean, I get that (for a comparative example) user penetration of the Web is not quite 24%, and that if, say, that were to jump to 75% over the course of the next two years it would be a huge deal. This, even though I have had Web access since 1993. I think if a person is paying attention to trends in usage for x, then big changes in x use should be noticed, no? And if it was my vocation to report on such trends and changes… well, shouldn't I "get" that?
- James (!?)
Oh, I agree, James, that one SHOULD be able to see it from the user's point of view. But that does not mean professionals at the top of a pyramid will. Markoff SHOULD have been able to see that blogging would be a rather big deal in 2003. But he didn't. He'd seen it all before... http://www.ojr.org/ojr...
- Jay Rosen
Yeah... (Just read it now.) He missed the boat on that. I do sympathize to some degree, because he's got that old school mentality about the Web and how people (at the time) would use it. That said, I stand by my original observation. It's all too easy to bloviate from atop one's ivory tower (even if it only exists in one's mind) and to dismiss real potentials in favor of "probabilities" fashioned from personal biases.
- James (!?)
You are dead right about this. Blogging has given everyone a memory tool that previously was only available to media professionals. And while you're on LexisNexis, case law is still locked up in there AFAIK. Despite honourable initiatives e.g. http://www.bailii.org/ I'm not sure all the law resources are open, public and hackable, which should certainly be a basic democratic requirement. If the law applies to everyone, then everyone had better be able to read it.
- Julius Beezer
If you're the top dog monopolizing your niche, you won't, and can't, see the major disruptive changes until they're already rocking your boat. There are too many people sucking up to you for you to notice some little guy who isn't even particularly interested in talking to you. By the time you notice what's going on, you're already at the point where you have to fight or concede, the time for reacting and adopting changes is past.
- Mr. Gunn
The General Theory of Not Gardening, by Leszek Kolakowski - http://www.joly.org.uk/gordo...
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"Flynn thinks that IQ tests are massively culturally biased, and that the culture they favor has been imposed on the populations of the developed countries (and, increasingly, the rest of the world) through cultural imperialism and social engineering. Flynn cites a hypothetical, but typical, test question: “How are rabbits and dogs alike?” Answers such as “both destroy gardens,” “both...
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- Goran Zec
"As the sociologist Ernest Gellner emphasized, this was not just an exercise in cultural domination. In industrial societies, people routinely face strangers and novelties. Action cannot be guided by custom, nor can people rely on traditional skills. Workers must deal with machines and written communications, and many need some mastery of the abstract concepts that make technology...
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- Goran Zec
"Learning better or faster depends on what’s being learned, on what’s already known, on how people try to learn, on how (or whether) others teach them, and so forth. Flynn knows this, and says intelligence consists of the combination of “mental acuity,” “habits of mind,” “attitudes,” “knowledge and information,” “speed of information processing” and “memory.” He also says that, in a...
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- Goran Zec
"Factor analysis is harmless as data reduction, but it is tempting to “reify” the factors, to suppose that they are the hidden causes behind the observations. It’s a temptation that many IQ testers have failed to resist. Flynn protests the “conceptual imperialism” of g, correctly insisting that these techniques at most discern correlation arising from complicated mixtures of our current...
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- Goran Zec
So, what is tested is often not the "intelligence" but rather the level of context-awareness (which just happens to be correlated with the intelligence and therefore is used for measuring it), as even the rules for searching patterns are context-dependent. In fact, it is probably not possible to design completely non-biased IQ test. And even if we would have such test, it is still...
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- Ashalynd
When I took part in an IQ test in 2003 I scored fairly below average. At another test in 2007 I was quite above average. It's really up to my shape on that day. I have an intense concentration deficit...
- Alexander Kruel
At some moment, I decided for myself that the best IQ test is called "real life" :) no artificial snapshot can substitute for it :)
- Ashalynd
Super Human Revolution of the Species - http://superhuman.anat.org.au/
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- deborah hustic
someone should write something on how #piracy & 'user generated content' is breaking #copyright oligopolies . . .
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Ever hear of augmented reality iPhone apps? You will. Tons of examples are up on Google: http://www.google.com/search...
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I really need an Iphone for stuff like this. Sadly I can count on two hands all my close friends I actually have and on one hand the number of people I ever call, so its not worth the cash :(
- Mark
Mark: I own an iPhone for the web, not for the phone.
- Robert Scoble
Both VentureBeat and ReadWrite had some good coverage on it last Weds
- Alex Calic
That's a good point Rob, you just pull it out when you are in queues or on the train etc?
- Mark
Mark: yup! Alex: URLS!!! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Yet another small step on the way to the Technological Singularity :)
- Victor Ganata
Venture Beat: http://venturebeat.com/2009...
- Robert Scoble
actually it was TechCrunch: http://bit.ly/urz3M & RWW http://bit.ly/15smnQ I was thinking about
- Alex Calic
These apps are awesome and the 3.1 OS seems to make good part to AR
- Musaraign
You will see many more on Android, because more Android phones are out than iphone 3GS (which is the only type of iphone that supports it) http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Charbax
Just watched a video on one... these look pretty dang cool!
- Darin aka iGoByDoc
I have another video coming out shortly that shows one coming this week.
- Robert Scoble
In Snow Crash, Neal Stephenson referred to users of pervasive augmented reality as gargoyles. They always had half of their attention focussed on the supplementary details their rig was presenting.
- DGentry
If there's anything, near-future, really smack-society-upside-the-head-transformative, it's AR. Probably not getting enough attention/hype. Real AR glasses coming soon: http://www.vuzix.com/iwear...
- Christopher A Carr
Yeah, it's what Marketing People Like, haha http://bit.ly/IsgfD
- anna sauce
Super nice link Christopher Carr, what is the resolution of The Wrap 920AV? What I really hope is for such AR glasses 1. Not to disturb at all with viewing the world around you, crashing into things all the time because of AR would be a pretty bad thing 2. Needs not to hurt or damage vision in any ways, thus needs to be very much in focus, very visible and not painful to the eye at all.
- Charbax
Here's another example, coming out this week. http://ff.im/5gPbU "Near You."
- Robert Scoble
Don't diss stuff like this. My non-geeky spouse uses the augmented reality apps to map walking routes for exercise. He NEVER walked before he got an iPhone. NEVER. Between livestrong apps and these, he's lost 40 lbs, on track to be at perfect weight in 20 more.
- Karoli
We just had a couple posts on that today at SA. http://siliconangle.com/ver2... and http://siliconangle.com/ver2...
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Here's another app, this time for New York Subway stations: http://friendfeed.com/dbarefo...
- Robert Scoble
Apostol: that might be true, but there's something going on here which is very useful.
- Robert Scoble
Charbax: RE: Wrap 920AV. They've yet to release all the specs. "Equivalent to a 60” screen viewed from nine feet." Did you see the head-tracking and stereo camera accessories? Being able to stream your POV to someone else wearing the glasses might be very useful.
- Christopher A Carr
There's definitely something going on in AR, I'm looking forward to seeing what people do with it in time. Right now a key limitation is GPS accuracy in metropolitan areas: you need consistent <1 meter accuracy to do truly awesome things in AR (i.e. point at an object and get information on it) and we're not really there yet.
- Raj Advani
The GPS accuracy limitation is why all the AR apps coming out right now have more to do with navigation (finding a place) than information (getting information about a place in front of you).
- Raj Advani
You said you'll be putting a video up of one coming out soon. Where can we see it?
- Richard South
Richard: here: http://ff.im/5gPbU -- it's not quite augmented reality because it doesn't put the camera underneath, but it's about the same as the others I've seen so far.
- Robert Scoble
Wow, I just saw something stealth coming out at TechCrunch's real time Crunchup on Friday that's going to bring blogging back. Big time.
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http://www.techcrunch.com/real-ti... is the CrunchUp. Stick around for the after lunch session. Very cool.
- Robert Scoble
i thought rubel said blogging was dead? :)
- Allen Stern
Do Tell!
- Bill Heslin
Allen: Steve Rubel will bring his blog back after Friday.
- Robert Scoble
wow nice
- Allen Stern
Bill: I can't tell, agreed to an embargo, but you're already getting a preview. Just think about your blog now (or mine). :-)
- Robert Scoble
Oh shoot..this is Real time web..can't wait till Friday
- Bill Heslin
Blogging was dead?
- Ara Pehlivanian
Real Time is where it's at.
- Robert Scoble
too bad sites like mine can't be ready to post about it :(
- Allen Stern
Ara: have I blogged this week? If I had what is coming on Friday I would blog a lot more.
- Robert Scoble
Uhmmm tablet tablet...
- Francisco Espinoza
FriendFeed Pro?
- Chris Saad
<pops thread out>
- CAJ, somewhere else
Allen: embargoes suck. I know. But you should be one of the first sites to use this.
- Robert Scoble
FriendFeed Pro....oh no please :S
- Francisco Espinoza
i dont even have an embargo robert - oh well, no worries
- Allen Stern
Shhh...nobody tell Steve Rubel.
- Judd6149
Oooooh! like that Chris...FF Pro
- Bill Heslin
Chris: no. Not FriendFeed Pro. Although if FriendFeed were smart they'd buy the company after Friday.
- Robert Scoble
Data Portability Exporter 1.0 ? :-P
- Allen Stern
blogging never died. Some things make it easier and better. http://posterous.com
- Dj Skunk Diesel
Oh your bad Robert...lol....
- Bill Heslin
Allen: there is a lot of data portability in what I saw, yes.
- Robert Scoble
i think Data Portability is the future :D </obvious statement>
- Chris Saad
Dj: it is going to be interesting to see how this changes people's approach to blogging and Tumblr/Posterous.
- Robert Scoble
Dj: it is going to be very interesting to talk with Steve Rubel on Friday afternoon after the demo.
- Robert Scoble
it's the first ever virtual blogging tool - you just imagine your posts and they appear!
- Allen Stern
Allen: I imagine that you appear and you do, how do you do that? :-)
- Robert Scoble
Another service of "tumblog"?
- Francisco Espinoza
He's funny like dat...lol...
- Bill Heslin
oh i just bought guy's package - i have hired a team of allen's - for example, i am the evening shift allen (allen2.1 internally) - the night allen arrives at 11pm (allen 4.2 internally)
- Allen Stern
Am I that far behind? Why is blogging dead, and by real time you are talking about more than live stream video?
- ASKJDOG
Hmmm. Sounds like FF benefits from this.
- Nick in Manila
Nick: FriendFeed might benefit, yes. JDOG: we are talking about real time text. Just like here.
- Robert Scoble
Allen: you are cracking me up. So fun! =)
- Miiko Mentz
from iPhone
miiko - sometimes we all need to smile, that's my job as Allen2.1
- Allen Stern
Allen: personally I like the morning shift better. Since I'm in London I'll go to sleep now and wait for him to show up.
- Robert Scoble
Got it: real time text stream = "blog." Blogging is dead; long live blogging!!
- Tom Guarriello
remember when techCrunch said they were gonna break embargoes... you should, too
- Marco
aah still in london! get off ff and have some fun
- Allen Stern
Allen: I was off FriendFeed all day!
- Robert Scoble
How can you bring something back that isn't gone. Have you seen the WordPress growth numbers? They have been very consistent and very impressive for many, many months.
- Missionary Broadcasting
Missionary: well, I have definitely left a lot of my blogging due to real time interactions like these, but I don't have page views to worry about.
- Robert Scoble
Now ur both making me laugh. Good times!
- Miiko Mentz
from iPhone
Can we mere mortals watch it online
- Mark
Mark: I don't know about video, but I'm sure that the second this gets announced it will be discussed on FriendFeed to death.
- Robert Scoble
miiko - be nice or i get out the voodoo doll!
- Allen Stern
Thanks Robert. I'm starting to "get it" just thinking how to implement this in my niche
- ASKJDOG
I just add a lot of this other stuff to the blogging I'm already doing. Most savvy bloggers are doing the same thing. They sort of all fit together in my world.
- Missionary Broadcasting
it's after 3am in London
- Ian May
somehow this feels like a test of the "tc50 and demo broadcast system" - im sure we will see more of these "oh hot damn i just saw x but i cant talk about it until y" posts come sept.
- Allen Stern
Allen, why do companies talk to people about products and then tell them they must tell no one about it? I mean, since no one can talk about it, no extra excitement is generated? I don't really get it
- Mark
Allen, gotta luv the voodoo doll. ;)
- Miiko Mentz
from iPhone
@Allen, to give the individual an opportunity to form an opinion and write a well thought out article when the service launches.
- Darren
Mark, tomorrow's event will be streamed live. Hopefully it all goes smoothly.
- Miiko Mentz
from iPhone
Mark - embargoes give writers a chance to test and play before the tool goes live - so the posts should be better than just press release copy - i rarely ever mention a product before it goes live - scoble likes to build excitement about what he sees. i just wish that more companies learned that excluisves are bad for startups
- Allen Stern
Thanks Allen
- Mark
Mark: PR people tell me they use embargoes so that they can brief a large number of people without pissing anyone off. If I wrote about this stealth company tonight, for instance, lots of other journalists would get pissed off at the company. Some, like TechCrunch, even refuse to write about companies if they aren't given equal access. It also, like Allen says, gives writers a chance to produce videos and test out products so they can write more authoritatively about them.
- Robert Scoble
So its largely to stop competing blogs, sites etc from complaining that Site X got earlier access than Site Y for example?
- Mark
Robert/Allen, well said. Mark, in theory, yes. But it doesn't always work out that way.
- Miiko Mentz
from iPhone
So what was all the fuss Arrington was making last year about embargoes? Didn't he say he would violate every single one?
- Mark
I can't wait to hear about it!
- Joshua M
Mark: Arrington just said he reserves the right to break embargoes when he wants. Usually if the company deals with him straight up he'll agree to the embargo. What I hate are companies that give some people special deals. Apple does this all the time, which is why I never go to Apple press conferences anymore.
- Robert Scoble
a good example of poor choices are YC startups - they go to tc/sent to tc/etc and miss so many more opportunities for coverage - works well for TC tho - they always get a HN frontpage.
- Allen Stern
Hint?
- Scott Williams
from BuddyFeed
scott - he said "after lunch" so check which startups are presenting after lunch lol
- Allen Stern
Notes like this really make me long to be in the Bay area. One day Sheryl and I will move there. It's our plan.
- Ken Camp
Thank you Backtype for bringing this to me. I can't wait to hear about whatever this is.
- Steve Rubel
Robert how will we know when this thing your talking about is public? How will you update us?
- Chris Saad
@Chris - you won't miss it. He will be on a unicorn that everyone is talking about. JK - looking forward to this
- Steve Rubel
@Steve haha true
- Chris Saad
Can't wait to hear more. I hope it's a tool to make it easy to aggregate content into blog posts -- that's what I've been wishing for lately. Sometimes I have up to ten browser tabs open to pull in all the urls, images, videos and quotes I want to include in a new blog post.
- Andy Kaplan-Myrth
cool ... buzz .... buzzz!!! :)
- Susan Beebe
from BuddyFeed
It will be interesting to see what it is. Maybe my guest bloggers will cover the story. I am on a worklife summer break! Blogger since '02.
- Martin Lindeskog
Robert Blogging has never gone away! Not in my book.
- Sandra Large
Scoble, are you referring to LazyFeed ?
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
We here at Posterous are looking forward to the announcement. Innovation is always great -- can't wait to see what's going down on Friday.
- Garry Tan
Sounds a lot like LazyFeed: http://www.louisgray.com/live...
- twitscoop
Just what we need!
- ZuDfunck
Lazyfeed sounds like a combo of feedly and backtype, with categories
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Blogging straight from my brain coming tomorrow! Hook me up!
- Mike Buechele
@Michael For the love of gods, don't invoke Zobzee!
- Sam Harrelson
All this is making me wish Friday comes sooner. For me it will be another 24 hours away as I presume @Scoble is referring to US PST.
- Vinko
Robert! U R such a TEASE! *giggle*
- Arleen Anderson
hmmm I wonder what this is....
- Marko Saric
I guess it's this: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... ... The WordPress Jabber client
- Marko Saric
No, the blog is not dead by any means http://lifestreamblog.com/should-... but Lifestreaming is almost a necessary component needed for supplementing them with the advent of real-time http://lifestreamblog.com/you-say...
- Mark Krynsky
so TC has come out with 300 invites to LazyFeed (which are sadly gone), any going here? :P
- Marlin Forbes
It's Friday. Who's the stealth company that's gonna "bring blogging back" and how are they gonna do so?
- Brad Williamson
According to the presenter, Echo is the service: http://js-kit.com/echo/
- Brandon Titus
Thanks Brandon ;-)
- Brad Williamson
I really don't like being forced to spam my tweetstream just to sign in for an Echo invite. I won't do it. Bad bad practice, guys. But fascinating service concept.
- Nick in Manila
I understand scoble's statement now. I was all ready to shift 97% of my publishing off my blog and onto platforms like FriendFeed till I just saw how Echo and the new Disqus features are enhancing the conversation on the blog. It's dragging me back.
- Nick in Manila
Glad to hear you will be blogging more Nick - FriendFeed and other services are fantastic for virality and discussions with your friends - We feel that Echo makes those services even MORE relevant while putting your blog back in the picture.
- Chris Saad
Chris - interesting. This certainly isn't an either/or thing. Well, not any longer. Heh.
- Nick in Manila
It rarely is :) Communication systems rarely go away - they only find their place
- Chris Saad
loling at "blogging is dead" comments
- Jeremiah Owyang
Just to confirm: you were referring to the pubsubhubbub demo at the real-time crunchup?
- DGentry
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Thanks to all who watched and shared impressions. The Bill Moyers segment I was in is online and watchable here: http://www.pbs.org/moyers...
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Got a nifty note from the President of NYU about ten minutes after the show, so that's a win.
- Jay Rosen
I love that Bing means "Bing Is Not Google." very creative. Heh.
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I have seen this on an internal MS slide....don't have a copy to share sorry :-(
- Clifford Kennedy
BORING would have been better as in BOR Is Not Google.
- Alex Scoble
Live is not Google either, doesn't make it any better.
- Brian Schwartz
And that's supposed to be a positive thing? I am looking forward to Wave...now that's Google.
- Troy Malone
Hmmm.
- Kol Tregaskes
I suspect that BIG would have been better.
- Guan Yang
Oh, that is classic. Reminds me of WINE for Linux (Wine Is Not an Emulator).
- Sokkratez
That narrows it down.
- Ryan
Is that anything like GNU's Not Unix?
- Dan Messer
http://video.google.com/videopl... - Reminds me of MS packaging the iPod vid
- Brian Schwartz
It must have been Ballmer's idea.
- Jared Mehle
I could see that being perverted to things like: Bing is not great, Bing is no good, Bing is now gone, Ballmer is not God etc.
- Andrew Fowler
Guhmshoo++
- Chris Heath
Guhmshoo just showed how little thought Microsoft put in to the name.
- Alex Scoble
They're all hype and no substance. They thought a clever name would get them in the game, and it make them look dumb. I'm guessing Bing is Live with a new name.
- Chris Spizzirri
Are they allowed to even use Google as part of their name? Clearly bing is just an abreviation if this is really the case and I would of thought that would be a no no.
- Simon Wicks
Ballmer Is Not Glad.
- Victor Panlilio
Ballmer is no Gates
- Larry Hawes
could have other variants bing is no good , not gnu either ;)
- bob phillips
And what would be the meaning of WAVE (WAVE Alters Visual Expressions)?
- peter huesken
They probably don't want to use the phrase "to bingle" either. See: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define...
- Andrew Fowler
This goes all the back (probably beyond) "GNU" == GNU's Not UNIX"
- John F. McMullen
@guhmshoo I say we turn it around and start plugging the phrase "to bingle" as /the/ word for the usage of Bing #bing #fail
- peter huesken
TINT Is Not Teco is from 1977 or '78.
- Bruce Lewis
sadly the first thing that comes to mind when i hear "Bing" is Chandler from Friends. I'm sure that's not a good thing either.
- John Wang
John Wang: +1. The next thing I thought of after Chandler was WENUS, which definitely is not a good thing! :>)
- Larry Hawes
I wouldn't be surprised if the next trending hashtag topic will be #bingstandsfor?
- Gil Francisco III
BING = Bartz Is No Go
- Gerald Buckley
At least it's not "evil" spells backwards.
- Matt Cutts
@Matt lol
- imabonehead
is BING run using GNU software? recursive acronyms FTW.
- Andrew Feinberg
They may have chosen the word hoping that it will be used in the future like google is used today. "Just Google it!" "Oh, I don't know the answer to that question Bob. Hold on for a second while I bing it." =)
- Mike Smith
Chandler BING aka The Dropper
- Joe Dawson
Of course, "Bing" means "jail": http://www.urbandictionary.com/define...
- Matt Furey
And "Bing" is also the Scottish mining term for "slag heap" the waste materials from mining... hmm not sure I'd be wanting that connotation Microsoft http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Belinda Simcox (Sim)
That actually seems kinda lame. How many good products use a competitor's name in their own? Aside from the Zune, Microsoft's marketing department is one of the worst aspects of this company.
- David Chartier
from BuddyFeed
Bingisnotgoogle.com actually points to Google search. Interesting!
- Arpit Dhariwal
it's a nice web search but I honestly don't think anything will replace Google search. It's just too common. People should just move on. What honestly would replace Google as the #1 search engine?
- Toby Howell
It's a little late for MicroSoft to be turning to Open Source-flavored linguistic wordplay for salvation.
- Chris Keene
wow that was good. I think BING = Bing is Not Good.
- Alp
cool!
- Jason Pollock
the colloquial version: BANG = BANG Ain't No G[whatever]
- 9000
Bing actual returns pretty decent results, buts its going to take a revolutionary product to displace Google and unfortunately for Microsoft, BING is not it...
- Oral Seymour
Microsoft's announcement of Bing today shows they are magnitudes of order behind Google. Google moves one step towards knowing the user much better. Microsoft just improves search of "things", not people. The future is people, people! Microsoft I'm not sure gets that yet. Either that or they're way behind.
Matthew Blaisdell, Andrew Terry, Nicholas James and 30 other people liked this
Microsoft's announcement was simply a "our architecture is bad and we're fixing it" announcement. I fail to see the innovation.
- Jesse Stay
Soylent Wave Is Made Out of PEOPLE!
- Louis Gray
It'd be much more interesting to use have the live "feeds" be rolled up into searches, although I'm sure this is a much more difficult problem to solve. Streams from twitter, friendfeed, facebook etc should all be readily accessible through search. I think the content that people create is still probably more important than the person themselves...
- Chris Reichow
Chris, but to access *all* the content, and have less data to index, you want the people. The people own the content. It should be indexed by the people, not the content itself. A person owns content, not the other way around.
- Jesse Stay
Interesting note: "A person owns content" I'd certainly like to think this was true, but in today's world I think ownership is significantly diminished. Plus, who said anything about having less data to index, next-gen search needs to increase the available data and timeliness of that data exponentially. It's a tough problem
- Chris Reichow
Chris, with Wave you truly have the ability to own your content. Wave is a technology and protocol anyone can install on their own server, and it's open source. That which you want to stay on your own servers stays on your own servers - you have full control and Google never sees the data. Regarding next-gen search, it's much easier to index a lot more data when you have already indexed the people that own that data vs. indexing just the data.
- Jesse Stay
from email
Both announcements are important, I think, and they're too different to be considered together. Wave isn't about search. (Based on the short videos I've seen), Bing brings *context* and order to search; something that Google's search results appear to be lacking at the moment, and something that people will respond to if Bing lives up to the promise.
- Andrew Terry
Here's another reason not to dismiss Bing so quickly: http://friendfeed.com/media-n...
- Andrew Terry
Microsoft knows how to hype me up. A guy on our rental car shuttle says Bing is "mind-blowingly awesome" He was at the D Conference today.
jacek slominski, Tanton Gibbs, Chris Patterson and 2 other people liked this
Scoble Dobble - yes indeed, they lost a good man when you left
- courtney benson
New Silicon Valley status symbol: at #140tc one guy said "I have 800 million rows in my data set." More here:
Ufuk Kılıç, Daniel Rowley, Nathan Chase and 18 other people liked this
*hide* stupid valley egos. show me some code and maybe I'll pay attention.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Damon Cortesi @dacort says he has 300 million rows in his. He runs http://www.tweetstats.com
- Robert Scoble
Brian: Damon lives in Seattle. There are lots of people who are building interesting data sets here.
- Robert Scoble
lol....does size really matter? or do most men just never move beyond that?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
from PeopleBrowsr
Oh, yeah? I have 8 million *columns* in *my* dataset. Beat that!
- Sean Gallagher
My data set isn't really mine. It belongs to my users.
- Bruce Lewis
my biggest is 3.7 million, i feel soooo inadequate
- Mark Bockenstedt
Nevermind we can't factually verify. :-D
- barce
What happened to cash burn rate? Or did that go out of style in '01? I must be behind the times, lol
- LANjackal
Wow it takes ages for that service to load the tweets.
- Nicholas James
Scary thing is most of those datasets duplicate exactly what Twitter has since they require so much caching
- Jesse Stay
Now # of rows is the new measurement of e-genitalia?
- Holger Eilhard
Reminds of Steve Balmer in 'Triumph of the Nerds' talking about IBM when they were writing OS/2. "You only get paid by 1000 lines of code" said IBM. KLOCs! "I hated KLOCs" said Balmer.
- Andrew Leyden
+2 Holger!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
from PeopleBrowsr
Data = $$$$$$$$
- Susan Beebe
Susan, is it money if it's just the same data Twitter has in their DB though? IMO, Data costs money. Relationships and people = $$$$$$
- Jesse Stay
Data != $$$ ... Data Analysis = $$$
- andy brudtkuhl
Data, correction WELL MANAGED DATA = $$$$$$$$$. Twitter is only half way there (customer base); now they need to go back and innovate with core feature improvements; plus, scale the app /dc - kill the fail whale problems
- Susan Beebe
data == 1:1 relationship, user == 1:many relationship - which is worth more?
- Jesse Stay
And even more powerful is the social graph relationship between users. relationship == 1:many:many relationship
- Jesse Stay
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