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The Friendfeedization Of Facebook - http://www.techcrunch.com/2008...
Nicholas James, Iván Abrego, Daniel Rowley and 63 other people liked this
"As Facebook continues to roll out the full version of its new user profiles, it’s becoming clear that their primary goal isn’t, as they said in May, to simply create a cleaner user experience and allow developers to have more meaningful engagement points with users. It’s more about highlighting new content relevant to the user and fostering conversations about that content. And the result is that the Facebook home page looks an awful lot like the exponentially smaller activity stream aggregation service called Friendfeed."
- Louis Gray
from Bookmarklet
there is ONE thing Facebook cannot replicate from Friendfeed. Speed of execution. FriendFeed will always be better and will always be one step ahead
- Ouriel Ohayon
facebook who?
- Fred Grott
That would be the site with 60m monthly visitors Fred.
- Jamie
Coming from the other side, I’d like to see the Facebookization of Friendfeed (without sucking that is). FF is a great place for content and discussion, but not so much for community and social networking.
- Hao Chen
Facebook's largely self-contained, immersive "social" and "fun" walled garden works especially well for interpersonal relations, and the upcoming facelift improves on those same principles. I'm impressed. That said, it's too heavyweight for active group conversations. FF has far and away the most effective implementation of group discussions, especially around "the rest of the web". It's great to have both FB and FF, each optimized around their use cases.
- Amir Gharaat
The only thing I'm sure of is that Facebook will be unable to recommend the same 9 persons to add as friends to everyone - so hopefully we will still be able to choose exactly who we want to talk to.
- Svetlana Gladkova
Friendfeed = open; facebook = closed; this would be an area i'd be happy to see facebook copy
- Alex Gawley
Facebook is boring as hell.
- Thomas Hawk
@Thomas, LOL... I always crack up when I see, in any FB thread your "Facebook is boring".
- Juan Pablo González
Friendfeed lays it all out as a stream of posts and comments. It's like reading a newspaper. Just my style.
- david
Facebook has lost its mojo really fast, I winder if the same will happen to FriendFeed
- João Almeida
from twhirl
@Joao lost its mojo with who? The twittersphere? Facebook was doing just fine before and after they jumped on and off the bandwagon. According to FB, UUs and engagement are up every month.
- Jamie
Almeida: yeah, Facebook is growing as fast as ever and tons of "normal people" swear by it. Just because us early-adopter-inside-the-techie-bubble are over here playing on FriendFeed, don't assume that everyone else is. 110 million are on Facebook, maybe more by now. When I went to Israel all I heard was "Facebook, Facebook, Facebook." Same with my niece and lots of others here in Silicon Valley. Also, its event calendar brings tons more people than others.
- Robert Scoble
Communities are communities.
- Andrew Feinberg
Typical conversation with Real World Friends: "So I saw this post on Friend Feed..." "What's that?" "It's this website where it aggregates everything you do on various social networks" "Social Networks? Like..." "Flickr, Twitter, Yelp..." (Blank Stares) "Websites like Facebook are social.." "OHHH FACEBOOK.. That's the best site ever. *blah blah blah"
- George Smith
Alex Gawley: Seems that Facebook no longer will be closed. "This week facebook will also launch their Facebook Connect product, which is designed to let users get that data back out of Facebook." http://www.techcrunch.com/2008...
- Alex Sauceda
but do you think the average FB user is going to use the "comment on news feed" feature? a quick scan of some of my heavy-user FB friends last week showed no comments on any news feed items, and then a couple days ago i noticed someone's status message was "I hate all these comment tags on facebook now"...
- Trent Olson
LOL @ Friendfeedization
- Bwana ☠
I love FF but all my non geeks friends and family are on Facebook. Seems that it works better for them.
- Alex Sauceda
Keep in mind, that 18 months ago you could not have had this conversation with anyone who was not 1) in the SV echo chamber or 2) in college. Web services start small and some inflect to a larger community and some don't.
- Christopher Sacca
My friends on FB go to Flickr for conversation. None of them are on FF. I add FF contacts in FB to view their bios.
- Russellreno
Louis - Agreed but I think the reason is more that they're trying to do an even better job with targeted ads (to keep the price in check) ... ala GMail. I find my Facebook list growing from my activity on Friendfeed. Hmm
- Charlie Anzman
Was the FriendFeed mini-feed on Facebook axed: no summary, just a note showing something was added? It's doing that for Feedheads too. Is this happening with others folks?
- Blake N. Cooper
Jim: Thanks! Does that mean that my friends would need to change this on their end to see more than 1 line? I have a lot of my friends who will stick to the default (i.e. will be overwhelmed by process for changing) and most likely will not see the content of my Google Reader Shared Items and FriendFeed activity. Sucks if that's the case. Thanks again.
- Blake N. Cooper
Jim: This is great, thanks!
- Blake N. Cooper
Jim: Is that option retaining the setting - I have it set to one line, short and full, but the new items still seem to default to one line.
- Richard Peat
Funny how one year later we are actually seeing the Facebookization of Friendfeed...
- Jean-Marc Liotier
YouTube - The FriendFeed Whiteboard - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Louis Gray, Steve "Daddy do it!" Lacy, bob and 66 other people liked this
High quality version available (on YouTube)
- Dan Hsiao
Smart!
- AJ Batac
cool stuff.
- Alan Le
Now refresh the page :)
- Andrew Smith
Whiteboard prototyping FTW!
- Hao Chen
Is it just me or is the most impressive thing about this video is their ability to write in straight lines without a rule?
- Mark Trapp
seeing stuff like that always gets me motivated to draw wire frames.
- Adam Helweh
They filmed themselves slowly erasing it, then ran it backwards. Makes them look extremely steady-handed.
- Dylan Parker
Dan, why do I get the feeling you wear that shirt a lot? ;)
- Christopher Chung
I would definitely need a rule for that!!
- Alex Sauceda
Really well done, guys
- Christopher Sacca
Very cool!! Great work!
- Karen Padham Taylor
Fantastic. I bet that took more than 5 minutes to make though. :)
- Mike Cassidy
Is that how you guys do all your UI mockups?
- Brian Johns
I'm going to have to talk to my UI guys. They're too slow.
- Ryan Kuder
Bubble... Because I love it :)
- Ross Miller
+ the music is really nice
- alexxandra
LOL, who doesn't have a whiteboard these days?
- Zachary TG
Using Friendfeed vs. Using Friendfeed - http://www.centernetworks.com/friendf...
Peter Efland, Rob Diana, Susan Beebe and 23 other people liked this
"I've sent hundreds of thousands of visits to TechCrunch and other blogs on friendfeed and twitter. That seems to be a good reason for them to bring their headlines into friendfeed."
- Robert Scoble
Robert: You might think so, but with people like techcrunch so wrapped-up in Twitter, they won't want to upset them by diverting traffic here (maybe?) Same for mashable / Veronica and other Twitter 'faves.'
- Jim Connolly
Scoble is right in terms of driving significant traffic to blogs big and small. But in aggregate, Twitter traffic can drive more to blogs that talk more about Twitter than FriendFeed.
- Louis Gray
Louis - You make a great point - because it's Twitter that 'they' are all talking about, not FriendFeed. None of my non-geek buddies have heard of FF, yet they all know Twitter.
- Jim Connolly
True, but in the 'tech' sphere, I think we have a winner in the methodology behind FriendFeed. It can still be a viable solution for the world of advanced geeks, as clients, and it doesn't matter if other demographics would be more valuable and effective using twitter.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Jim: So what's wrong with spreading the word on FF?
- George Hall (Australia)
It will still have a growing part, by none other than those in the know, the website creators, designers. Public will still have an admiration, and I think the relatively close contact generated by discussing on the user's own thread makes it that it's almost an honor to grip on it. The public space. That's what will get future power web users (kids etc.)
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
George: As you can probably see, I do spread the word about FF. The point I was making is that it's Twitter that has the general public's attention right now. Also, while Twitter gioves hundreds of thousands of followers to Om Malik, Arrington, Veronica etc, these guys will be in no hurry to start pushing FF.
- Jim Connolly
So, what has been the most effective way for you to push FF?
- Chris Parton
Owning and containing the issue of content. Sharing is the data-mashing enemy? Great reply Jim.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
The beta! People who have seen me use the beta have been blown away. It's lightyears ahead of Twitter.
- Jim Connolly
When I show it, people look at me like I'm a computer now, not just the human on the street. They think of me as really owning the web hehehe.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Agreed,. It's what really turned me back FF's way.
- Chris Parton
FriendFeed use is Life Abuse. (a D.A.R.E slogan remixed)
- rob friedman
from twhirl
Jim: as someone who was a Twitter volunteer and major retweeter during our recent Australian bushfires, I can assure you...if friendfeed is used effectively in emergency situations, it'll get better press and promotion. But it does need some utilizing opportunities to shine. I had a page of feeds covering news of the Twitter worm over the weekend. small though it was. Would have liked to have seen some other regulars showing greater skill than mine same way. Twitter's not the be-all and end-all.
- George Hall (Australia)
George: You don't need to convince me about Twitter - That's why I spend 90% of my 'social media' time on FF NOT Twitter. It's also why I did this, when I was the 49th most followed person on Twitter. http://jimsmarketingblog.com/2009...
- Jim Connolly
Jim: Good blog post. I found this past Easter weekend friendfeed was also better for my needs than Twitter. While I'm still tweeting, I'm spending more of my time here. AND it was way more secure a place to give people updates on the Twitter worm situation, too. I figure we'll find a way to get it as well known as Twitter in the end.
- George Hall (Australia)
Simple and clear, there are posters and lurkers :)
- Lucio Riccardi - CantorJF
Just saw your post via following Scoble. There are now all these tips and tricks out about how to get more "followers" on Twitter. I tell my seminar attendees that it is not about quantity, but rather quality of relationships- though that is not the popular view. I agree one's Tweet time needs to be carefully managed or else it manages you.
- Karma Martell
if you want a great example of why publishers need to interact with FriendFeed, compare the discussion going on in this thread to the comments on the blog post itself... Tools such as those the author mentions would bring this converstaion back to the publishing site.
- Andrew Terry
You Will Be Using FriendFeed In The Future — But It May Be Called Facebook - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
Thomas Power, Kol Tregaskes, Shawn Dahlen and 7 other people liked this
I'm placing my bet on Friendfeed.
- Brandon Mendelson
Facebook is mostly mundane status updates with no content feeds in my network...which leaves it entirely uninteresting compared to FriendFeed
- Dan Stuart
The White House has an official Twitter account. They follow 7 'people':
hikaru_fujita, Igor Poltavskiy, Kevin Whalen and 9 other people liked this
How Fractals Can Explain What's Wrong with Wall Street: Scientific American - http://www.sciam.com/article...
Shawn Dahlen, jswi_jim, Atul Arora and 13 other people liked this
"The classical financial models used for most of this century predict that such precipitous events should never happen. A cornerstone of finance is modern portfolio theory, which tries to maximize returns for a given level of risk. The mathematics underlying portfolio theory handles extreme situations with benign neglect: it regards large market shifts as too unlikely to matter or as impossible to take into account. It is true that portfolio theory may account for what occurs 95 percent of the time in the market. But the picture it presents does not reflect reality, if one agrees that major events are part of the remaining 5 percent. An inescapable analogy is that of a sailor at sea. If the weather is moderate 95 percent of the time, can the mariner afford to ignore the possibility of a typhoon?"
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
"1:15, restate my assumptions: 1. Mathematics is the language of nature. 2. Everything around us can be represented and understood through numbers. 3. If you graph the numbers of any system, patterns emerge. Therefore, there are patterns everywhere in nature. Evidence: The cycling of disease epidemics;the wax and wane of caribou populations; sun spot cycles; the rise and fall of the...
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- Mark Trapp
Nice work Mark. Pi. Excellent film.
- Louis Gray
Mark, I've put this very excerpt as the intro of my thesis (trying to forecast stock market prices), thank for reminding me that :)
- George Tziralis
Pi was the first thing that came to mind when I read the article. :) To the actual article, it seems if you take a fractal approach to the market, it doesn't seem to bode well. Any major gains in the market are always inevitably removed for a more gradual increase over time. The spikes in the 80s, 90s, and 2000s were all erased, and it seems like we still have a ways to go (maybe 1500 points) before we get back to where it should be now.
- Mark Trapp
I'd imagine that most mariners do, in fact, ignore the possibility of a typhoon.
- Gabe
That seems unlikely Gabe. I'm pretty sure that they pay attention to weather reports and would avoid getting to close to a typhoon, unless they are "sailing for the long term" of course ;) (e.g. the "market fluctuations don't matter because it will go up in the long term, so I buy and hold, and if it goes down I buy more..." line that everyone is sold on)
- Paul Buchheit
Paul, for the past several decades maybe it was possible to get weather reports, but what about the several millenia of mariners before radio was invented?
- Gabe
Mandelbrot's Chaos theory helps put the mess in context. However, mass psychology, mob behavior and human emotions complicate the equation.
- Phil Boiarski
Why are people against the bailout? - http://www.predictablyirrational.com/...
Morton Fox, Tyson Key, michael silverton and 9 other people liked this
Ariely contends that one reason people oppose the bailout is "because they want revenge on the companies that helped lead us into this disaster. Even though they know they will lose money and it doesn’t help them at all, at a very basic level a part of them want to see the companies suffer." He cites a study where participants took revenge even though it was unprofitable to do so.
- Tom Stocky
from Bookmarklet
OK, I will admit that this plays some part in my opposition to the bailout. But what I'm really questioning these days: is this really necessary? I've seen enough economists and experts question that to start to revisit my earlier assumption that it must be done. Kind of feels like the war to me, where everyone (including me) was assuming a certain fact and it turned out not to be true.
- Mike Yang
It's the single greatest opportunity to change the behavior of Americans and to get them to stop abusing credit and living beyond their means. http://www.cnn.com/2008... and http://www.realclearpolitics.com/article... (second one I have a few quibbles with be mostly on point)
- AJ Kohn
@Chris: No problem. Important stuff is good to pass along ;)
- AJ Kohn
I'm with Mike: I've read the cases that get made that such a bailout is necessary; they haven't convinced me. I agree a bailout *might* be needed, but for many (very rational) people might be needed + $700Bn = No
- j1m
Why do you want the dollar to stay strong?
- Jim Norris
Um, Consistency of Classical Capitalist Philosophy could be one *minor* reason people were against it. Those looking beyond Industrial Age Capitalism will be biased in the other direction, suggesting, in pursuit of social and economic justice, "if you adopt a New Economic Philosophy, then you must extend THAT new approach consistently, as well." I'm clearly of that latter bias. So to me, this looks like an opportunity to upgrade and reboot the entire Economic OS to a more stable version.
- michael silverton
I'm against the bailout because I didn't participate in the total idiocy and want to be able to afford a house some day, which I won't be able to if we have massive inflation instead. :-)
- Piaw Na
I find myself reading various articles on the financial bailout, some supporting it as unfortunately necessary, others (like this one) stating that it's a terrible idea. What I can't find, however, is any article written by someone without a strong philosophical bias one way or the other. For example, this guy is apparently a self-described libertarian; there's nothing wrong with that,...
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- Joel Webber
The underlying problem, of course, is that we should never have ended up here in the first place. The best quote I've seen on this was "too big to fail is too big to exist".
- Joel Webber
Wow, the conversation rekindled 3 months later -- this post was actually referring to the first bailout ...
- Tom Stocky
Interesting, Tom. What do you make of that phenomenon?
- michael silverton
People are mad because bailouts cost money while being ineffective. If we took your money and threw it down the drain, you'd be mad too.
- Morton Fox
Web-Only NYTimes Needs 1.3B Page Views/Month to Survive - http://www.marketingvox.com/web-onl...
Rob Diana, Lu Tao, Jorge Gobbi and 6 other people liked this
that stat right there is a leading indicator about the problems newspapers have to compete
- Lou Paglia
The Race for Internet Single Sign On - http://smoothspan.wordpress.com/2008...
Shawn Dahlen, Sameer Panchangam, mike "glemak" dunn and 13 other people liked this
This is actually what I am working on as of yesterday for my employer, creating a Single-Sign-On for Google Friend Connect, FaceBook Connect, Hyves, OpenID, Yahoo! 360 and other OpenSocial services using OpenID as out outwardly facing SSO service.
- Daniel W. Crompton
Good luck! SSO is painful to say the least.
- Jauder Ho
Official Gmail Blog: New in Labs: Tasks - http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2008...
HealingBrush, Todd Jackson, Shawn Dahlen and 71 other people liked this
Simple lists (in Gmail Labs)
- Keith Coleman
from Bookmarklet
A candidate for most Loved post of the month :)
- Christopher Galtenberg
I wish I could like this twice.
- Benjamin Golub
Thanks for posting this, Keith.
- Brett Lider
w00t!
- Matt Cutts
Keith: can I make a suggestion? Auto create tasks with a filter. I currently send myself emails to bgolub+todo which get auto labeled and starred. Would love to be able to create a task in a similar process.
- Benjamin Golub
oh ok, that's the one I wanted for
- Eren Emre Kanal
Been waiting for this, Remember The Milk is a little buggy
- Chris Nuttall
Just got rid of rtm so I am hoping to use this with google apps.
- Kevin Whalen
Woo! Tasks!!
- Jonathan Terleski
Thank, will try it. More suggestions: task completion date recognition in task subject; GooCal integration; See full note on mouseover. Still - Nice to see proprietary task integration in gmail. RTM is good but buggy, so have been wanting this.
- Philip Tomlinson
Very simple.. I hope they does something more accesible
- Leandro Ardissone ⍨
great，，喜欢以chat 形似弹出的窗口
- qian
Could this be made into a persistent gadget?
- LogEx
Ben - yes, we need a "double" like button!! please make me one :D
- Susan Beebe
about time!
- Jeff (the メガマクダジ of FF)
Looks great! Though I think RTM a better solution right now.
- David H. Chu
The Social Media Classroom: A New Web 2.0 Platform For Education - ReadWriteWeb - http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
Mike Fruchter, Индрикис XIII, Stu Rich and 20 other people liked this
It's nice to see a collection of open source tools put together like this. I'd love to see it in "JumpBox" format, i.e. a preconfigured virtual machine that I can turn on for a quick test drive.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
As a former educator now working in private business, I can see where this could also be useful in training departments at companies that want to begin integrating social media into a less-than-tech-savvy workforce through 'socializing' training materials.
- Dan Stuart
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
Good idea. I looked it over last night and it sure like like it could help as an introductory socnet for any group.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from fftogo
This article got us talking at school yesterday - now how to do it.
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
three dans in a row! We win at friendfeed.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from fftogo
LOL what do we win? I want a castle and a pony! :-) LOL!
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
Shawn Dahlen liked this
FT.com - Man in the News: John Maynard Keynes - http://www.ft.com/cms...
Burak Arikan, Peter Fedin, Shawn Dahlen and 5 other people liked this
A mini bio of Keynes. "As the world reels from a 1929-style stock market plunge and a 1931-style banking crisis, his words are a fair assessment of the dangers we face once again. Keynes, whose life’s mission was to save capitalism from itself, is more relevant than at any time since his death in 1946. His renewed influence can be seen everywhere: in Barack Obama’s planned stimulus package, for example. When George W. Bush said his administration’s plan to take equity in banks was “not intended to take over the free market, but to preserve it”, he could have been quoting Keynes directly."
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
Keynesian economics was pursued by left-leaning governments in Europe for decades, with disastrous consequences. Maybe some kind of neo-keynesianism might become popular again, but the big-government policies of the UK and certain other countries caused nothing but pain at the time, and those lessons won't be forgotton so easily.
- john conroy
@john conroy, "Keynsian" != "Big Government." Keynesian economics are "demand-side," compared to the "supply side" economics favored by our Republicans since 1980 (and famously described as "voodoo economics" by GHWB in the 1980 primaries). True, it puts more emphasis on fiscal policy than monetarism, but that doesn't automatically lead to "big government" when the economy is doing well.
- John Craft
Not to mention the awarding of the 2008 Nobel prize to Keynes' heir Paul Krugman
- Ken Norton
... I should have also said, in the interests of fairness, that anyone who ever taught me economics was a vicious capitalist. One of them even worked with Milton Friedman. Still, the word 'Keynes' sends a shiver up my spine I must admit.
- john conroy
@ johnconroy, I took all my Social Science elective in Econ in the 1980s. My school featured a lot of young monetarists who look askance at Keynsian economics, and after the 1970s, pretty much everyone did. But a lot of what was done in Keynes' name - Nixon's wage and price controls, printing money by the truckload, etc. - aren't really Keynesian economics. At the end, no model is perfect, and the fiscal and monetary levers should be used together, and with as light a touch as the system will allow.
- John Craft
If I remember rightly, one of Krugman's papers that I studied was on the principle that long-term economic growth comes only from the efficiency dividends from innovation and technological advance. He put it in the context of the crash of the so-called 'Asian Tigers', as they were. It's a brilliant paper. (I hope I'm not getting him mixed up with someone else). Obvious implications for current situation
- john conroy
At the time when I knew a small bit about this stuff, it seemed to me like an utterly defeated paradigm: both inside and outside the classroom. But... Smith's economics doubtless seemed like cheap garbage when Keynes came along, and we more or less went running back to him (to a good extent). Economics is funny like that. Maybe Keynes 2.0 is on the way. Helluva turnup for the books.
- john conroy
But the Cubs will never - NEVER - win the Series. :)
- John Craft
Three Ways to Rock the New iGoogle - http://www.micropersuasion.com/2008...
ivanandersson, Shawn Dahlen, Atul Arora and 8 other people liked this
Anyone know how to add Friendfeed to iGoogle??
- Jez Arnold
Add an iframe gadget to a tab, and set the settings of the tab to 1 column; have the iframe bring up your friendfeed. I've found it really handy ever since Steve suggested it! 8-)
- LJF Wolffe
Gist's New Gmail Mashup To Fight Inbox Overload - http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
Mladen Srdić, Lu Tao, Rahul Das and 5 other people liked this
I filled out the survey in the comments and got kicked out twice. I would love an invite.
- Russellreno
ditto
- Tyler Gillies
When I received my sign up confirmation I wrote back to say the survey did not work. T.A. McCann send me a beta invite within hours. Great customer service.
- Russellreno
The new iGoogle - thumbs up or thumbs down?
John Cass, Susan Beebe, Roney Smith and 9 other people liked this
Can't get myself to use these gateway sites such as Live.com, Yahoo, or iGoogle. I set the page up and then I abandon it. My dashboard is Google Reader with the FriendFeed sidebar. It's all I need. The gateway concept is not intuitive fundamentally in my opinion.
- Rolf Schewe
Same here Rolf
- Alejandro
You tell us, Steve Rubel - You're the resident web 2.0 tech maven!
- J. D. Ebberly
Yup to Rolf - Google Reader + Friendfeed, and forget the personalized home pages. Much faster and more efficient.
- Sean McBride
For some reason I can't access the new iGoogle -- or at least what used to be the beta iGoogle. So I am confused -- what is the new iGoogle?
- Brian Sullivan
is the new iGoogle, the beta iGoogle I've been using the past 4 months with the side nav or is it something different?
- Anika
I was thinking the same thing. Saw the sidebar a while back as well.
- Rolf Schewe
Pages load a little faster, but not much . . . and the side bar squishes everything more than having it in an iframe. Can we get the faster loading with the tabs at the top again? And get the min/max buttons back? This extra click to maximise a widget is a real pain . . .
- LJF Wolffe
I like the new canvas view -- but I wonder if it the concept is better suited for novices to consume info vs. the tools of the early adopter
- Shawn Dahlen
Thumbs Up
- Chris Rossini
My gateway = blank browser screen. Loads faster.
- Glenn Batuyong
less screen real estate due to sidebar on the left...not sure i understand why they did that, you shouldnt have more tabs than can fit at the top anyway
- Adam Singer
down
- Jeff (the メガマクダジ of FF)
gmail feels crippled now in iGoogle. I haven't been happy with the new version for that specific reason.
- m.0
It's a bit too ajaxy now. It won't let me ctrl-click a market link to open up the NASDAQ chart in it's own tab now, for instance.
- Alex Scoble
Thumbs so far down they might as well be toes.
- Derek Coward
I love the new iGoogle, I guess I'm in the minority here. I love how the Gmail app is incorporated. I think I might be not as Tech savvy as everyone else here, because I'm not as picky as people seem to be.
- Mol, Time Warping
I don't like unannouced change. At least give me a heads up. But I guess thats what I get when I use BETA Google Apps.
- CW™
I like the new iGoogle and it now has more room for "labels" just like Gmail:)
- Roney Smith
thumbs down... I don't understand why everything should look like Gmail or Google Reader. Anyway, what do YOU thing Steve?
- Orli Yakuel
So it seems you all using what I've had for awhile now. My only hope is that the opening of links is consistent. Over the summer it was horrible. Sometimes, you click a link and it would open up that module. Other times, it will just take to the original website. The best part about it is Gmail. It actually works. I like the side nav, it means I don't have to scroll back up to the top to change tabs.
- Anika
Other than the google finance widget being in the red a lot, I have no opinion either way. :)
- jcunwired
the "new" igoogle is the same as the sandbox some of us have been using. It does have some cosmetic improvements and new widgets. Since I've been using it for a while, it's pretty much for for me
- Deepak Singh
down, down, down.
- Bryan Clark
Don't use it, but do NOT like the left hand navigation on a wide screen - for a right hander than means more effort shuffling the cursor over there all the time. Preferred the top navigation bar, it was easier and more efficient.
- Sally Church
I am a right-hander with a widescreen, and prefer left navigation in general (I've never understood why handedness affects where your cursor spends the most time). With iGoogle, it allows services like chat to be in the sidebar that wouldn't fit in a thin horizontal bar. All that said, I use it only occasionally, when I want to to get a big picture snapshot of everything at once. Mostly I live in Google Reader (and of course FF).
- LogEx
I'm a big Google fan but IMHO I just don't get iGoogle so it just more of the wrong path for me
- coolblueskies
Google, Please Give Me My Old Home Page Back - http://www.inquisitr.com/5523...
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FriendFeed is now two quick hops away from the enterprise micro-blogging grail - http://www.sharingatwork.com/2008...
Kol Tregaskes, Daniel J. Pritchett, Jorge Escobar and 8 other people liked this
Within the enterprise there is still some opportunity for richer interaction. Some examples include discussions (specific rooms) around a customer (data from a CRM system) or a Project (any project system). Here, data sources in FF could be extended to enterprise sources..
- Monty
Good ideas, Monty. FF user Zee (http://friendfeed.com/zee) mentioned yesterday that he was starting an FF room for his team. Maybe this is a quick and easy way to get "virtual teams" up and running. See Ken Thompson's "Bioteams" for more on virtual teamwork - http://www.bioteams.com/
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Yes, I've used FF rooms to coordinate work with a team, it is great for journalists, because you can pull in and comment on news sources.
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
@Aram: And thanks to Facebook's new FF-like style, more and more of our coworkers are getting comfortable with the multimedia news stream metaphor. This will hopefully make FF and the like an easier sell when we need it for work.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Is anybody finding the real time feed useful? Enjoyable? Too fast, to disaggregated for me.
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I am liking it. lets me keep an eye on things. have a little mini window setup and watching the stream go by.
- (jeff)isageek
make that "to" a "too" -- not sure why FF hasn't introduced an edit post feature
- Brian Sullivan
I have it in my sidebar and just browse over to it while waiting for other pages/etc. to load. So picking up random stuff I wouldn't normal do.
- Kol Tregaskes
same as Kol
- Alejandro
I think it is great within a room. In the main feed, it just blows up.
- Yolanda
we too fast for me during the debate. i plan on checking it out for daily streams and see how it goes. i hear setting up a custom list for streaming may also help with the 'fire-hose' issues.
- MikeAmundsen
I enjoy it.
- Jeremy Kunz
I'm not a fan. I have a very difficult time following it. And it drives me nuts that people are posting new messages to respond to people instead of liking/commenting under the original post.
- Rochelle
No, I don't like it at all. Might be useful in the rooms, but not in my main feed page. I guess it's an attempt by FF to fight Twitter's supremacy?
- Niki Costantini
The embedded version, at least in this one list I want to follow, doesn't seem to update in real time, which minimizes the utility for me.
- Mark Trapp
I didn't really care for it. It was too quick and I felt like things were moving by and I was missing them. I stuck with the regular room and just refreshed from time to time. Great idea though.
- James Ferguson
I've only tried it for a minute or so, but it's more entertaining than anything else.
- Ontario Emperor
The separation of comments from the items and previous discussion kills it for me.
- Eric P
Way too confusing. If it could bring whole items with threaded comments to your attention as comments are added or items are liked and added, it would go some way to making it better.
- Roberto Bonini
If updates are going by too fast filter friends into other lists. FYI - you can gain realtime feed on any of your lists by appending /realtime to the URL
- jcunwired
Yup, you have to use lists, otherwise, it's not very useful
- Bwana ☠
Joe if updates are too fast why would I not just use the standard interface (instead of making a whole bunch of work for myself) and that still doesn't deal with the disaggregation problem -- what advantage does the real time feed provide?
- Brian Sullivan
It's another wrench to add to the FriendFeed toolbox. Use it how you see fit. If you don't see a use for it, don't use it :)
- Bwana ☠
I use it to glance periodically at the realtime window and see comments posted to topics I am interested in without having to scroll through different pages or hit refresh often. If I see one that I further want to contribute to, or read more, I switch back to the standard interface or click the link for that topic to open it in new window. I'm loving the added functionality, specifically for this use case.
- jcunwired
I think it's a complementary product that I'd use side by side or during certain situations. It needs a filter (see Summize) and I'm still attached to the standard interface.
- AJ Kohn
So far, the usefulness for me is to use it in the firefox sidebar so that I can click on stories that open in the main window as they flow past. Very much like a twitter sidebar plug-in in that respect, I guess, but it also shows me comments and other media.
- Phil G
I like it.
- Kamilah Gill
I was excited, but then killed it. I don't like how comments come up ungrouped, so I'd rather stay with the web version
- Jorge Escobar
Just blogged about some possible useful ways of utilizing it.
- Bwana ☠
needs more organization. think regular friendfeed except comments appear directly under their respective thread, live.
- Glenn Batuyong
I enjoy the realtome updates.
- Kipp Bodnar
Twitter Still Beats FriendFeed On Real-Time Topic Tracking - http://www.louisgray.com/live...
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Yup, but if (er, when) FriendFeed gives us keyword search along with its Real Time display it'll blow away what Twitter has given us so far. Also, FriendFeed searches all media types, not just Tweets. I still am long on FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
And I am still long on FriendFeed. But I've been using and demoing Twitter Search more and more.
- Louis Gray
Twitter? What Twitter?
- Thomas Hawk
I mostly use twitter like SMS to contact people. I do get some news too - like BBC world service and CNN sent to my cell. I use Twitter much more when mobile, but not FF - there's no Blackberry app I know of, and FF pages don't render very well for some reason.
- Ian May
For Topics perhaps, but it would be great if twitter added real time as an option for your regular feed, like FF does. Today is the first time I am leaving FF open in a window, because the real time updates makes it more functional for me while working...
- Jeffrey Sass
Much farther breadth of content, finite customization and a great community keep FriendFeed at the top of my list. As for realtime, its great to have open in sidebar to follow along conversations, though to avoid the inevitable fragmentation inherent in realtime feed I use the threaded window for participation. Perfect combination of form and functionality.
- jcunwired
Hi Dave. Yes, at the top of the realtime feed there is a link to post messages, links or photos (just as there is in standard view), and with each comment that displays there is a link to comment back.
- jcunwired
I don't see a way to post in the window mode though.
- Dennis Jackson
That is exactly what I was looking for. I guess that will come in time.
- Mike Lewis
I use FF for the debates, but Twitter for sports just because there are more posts on Twitter for the games.
- Russellreno
Dave and Mike, an effective solution is to run realtime in a sidebar. AJ Batac put a great set of instructions together: http://www.allanjosephbatac.com/blog...
- jcunwired
twitter search rocks because they bought Summize which is a great search tool. FF needs to augment their product with powerful search and filter features, plus a directory of rooms... still want categories and tag elements too
- Susan Beebe
You can configure your browser to sport both versions - realtime and standard. Put the realtime live feed in the Firefox sidebar and the standard in the main view. See my example here --> http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Susan Beebe
http://roomatic.com lets you track real time Twitter keywords in a chatroom like interface.
- Ryan Kuder
the basic difference is that twitter is a usability nightmare for average users, the are not even able to engage in any kind of conversation ... friendfeed is much more usable but nobody even understands what's it for...
- Florian
I find twitter much more portable. I can use it via SMS on my cell, and it works fine. Can't do that with FF. Anyway, I don't compare them. Two different services, two different uses.
- Ian May
The 5 biggest challenges of social media and enterprise adoption - http://news.buzzgain.com/...
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FCC Clears Free Wireless Web - WSJ.com - http://online.wsj.com/article...
Bruce Lewis, Shawn Dahlen, Mona Nomura and Louis Gray liked this
"A proposal to create a free, national wireless Internet service got a boost as Federal Communications Commission engineers concluded that concerns are overblown about such service interfering with other carriers."
- Atul Arora
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The Enterprise Soft Spot, er, the Enterprise Email Crisis - http://scobleizer.com/2008...
Rif Kiamil, Anol, Hutch Carpenter and 15 other people liked this
I share this just to note that Louis Gray and Joe have already shared this item and it's only a few minutes old. Glad to know Louis is not sleeping at 2 a.m. too and that he's as fast as ever. Isn't Google Reader cool? You can see who is sharing your items if they are your friend in Google Talk. By the way, my Google Talk email address is scobleizer@gmail.com -- feel free to add me as a friend in Google Reader and share your Google Reader Shared Items feed with me. Thanks!
- Robert Scoble
That of course depends on what time of day you were looking. I was "on" from midnight to 2, but if you wanted an immediate response at any time yesterday before 7, you weren't going to get it. I did see your reshare in Google Reader though. Nice comments.
- Louis Gray
Louis is ALWAYS on (Matthew takes over when he dozes :)
- Charlie Anzman
Corporate e-mail can't die quick enough as far as I'm concerned. Let's start putting this stuff in (micro)blogs and wikis, people!
- Daniel J. Pritchett
robert, we need to talk! this is exactly where our current products at ClearContext are focused, and the products we're working on now extend on them to address some specific problems around email companies are asking us to deal with that go beyond just helping individuals be more productive.
- Deva Hazarika
Deva: we will talk soon.
- Robert Scoble
How about Zoho, Mindtouch, and Socialtext as candidates? ... solving the “n*n” problem
- jfayel
How This Bear Market Compares - Interactive Graphic - NYTimes.com - http://www.nytimes.com/interac...
Simon, Clare Dibble, Karim and 12 other people liked this
This is a very interesting graph comparing the current downturn to 11 other downturns in the last 80 years.
- Kevin Fox
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Nice graphic!
- j1m
Interesting, the last few weeks of this bear dominate all other recessions by a small sliver of region. By the looks so far, when this runs its course, it'll be the worst since the Great Depression.
- John Lam
Let me qualify a bit. Charts setting arbitrary points in the past and even to past events can be deceptive. In this case, it depends upon how high the bubble. Perhaps a bit better, set all bear lows equal and project backward and forward, then let the user move the evolving bear interactively and test projections against past bears.
- John Lam
I've started rolling my own stock-comparison charts that balance on the right (the present), and show relative performance as you go left, so if you want to see how well a stock has done against another in the past three months you look at the 3 month mark and see how they compare, or the 6 month mark, etc. It's a more effective way to eliminate the 'start date' bias. Although for the...
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- Kevin Fox
Kevin, i so agree and have long wanted this. The beauty of the Web, dynamic charts show by default the present against the right axis. Add also a semi-log scale, and many other comparison data streams. When can we expect your web service? Better yet, i'd like to see it integrated into http://finance.google.com.
- John Lam
Would You Apply a ‘Dislike’ to Your Co-Workers’ Content? « I’m Not Actually a Geek - http://bhc3.wordpress.com/2008...
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We decided against a 'vote down' for our social media tools at Lockheed.
- Shawn Dahlen
we've set ours up differently @ Real Branding. Everyone in the company that is involved in social media (>80%), gets their feed published to our intranet - coworkers can then "like" any post up to our beta home page. Going live soon.
- Bill Sanders
Question: Consumers often buy on brands --not features. What % of votes will actually vote on issues --not just the candidate brand?
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One tactic is to look at # of independent voters -- those not interested in party affiliation. Vast majority of members of a party will vote on brand. These folks don't really have to pay attention to issues, because they have a general idea of what they're going to get.
- Nathan Hull
Not many will vote on issues. Most will vote on party lines, or based on gut feel of the candidates.
- Louis Gray
why aren't the independents allowed to the same debates and events as the republicans and the democrats? Or are you supposed to believe that the only choice is between republicans and democrats?
- alphaxion
Voting by party makes the choice easy -- understanding the nuiances of each issue takes more time than most could invest.
- Shawn Dahlen
It's kind of a trick question. Brand is a shorthand that encompasses substance. The sum of issues helps define a candidate's brand.
- Michael Markman
Behind McCain’s Fall « Plot of McCain and S&P 500 - http://stateoftheunion.wordpress.com/2008...
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"McCain’s tracking numbers against the S&P 500 over the past two weeks, with a two-day lag to let the market results filter through Gallup’s rolling average:"
- Mike Reynolds
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Right or wrong - the party in power always takes the blame.
- Kevin D. White
Isn't that the very essence of 'The Buck Stops Here."
- Douglas E. Welch
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Who Really Uses Mint.com (And Other Banking 2.0) Services Anyway? - ReadWriteWeb - http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
Glenn Batuyong, Shawn Dahlen, Charlie Anzman and 5 other people liked this
I tried using Mint, but they had issues synching with 2 of my most important banks, so I left after 8 months and lots of feedback
- Jorge Escobar
If it worked with any of the financial services I use (besides PayPal), I probably would use it.
- Evan Sims
I've been using it for several months and love it. There were some bugs that were annoying back in the second quarter, but they have made great strides in the reliability of the system.
- Shawn Dahlen
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