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Dave Winer

To be clear, the SUL destroys the integrity of all of Twitter, not just the people who are on the list.

April 30 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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Call me a simpleton but I still don't understand why? - Angsuman Chakraborty

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Destroys the integrity? That seems a bit melodramatic. - Andrew Leahey

As usual, I can see where Winer's going with this, but at the same time, disagree completely. There's a "preservation of environment" tone to Twitter pre-2009; early adopters that can't conform to the evolution of a well-used application & have issues with growth. - Sociosophy Reviews

Fact is its totally in your grasp to control the signal to noise ratio on Twitter. Follow those you want to hear from, don't follow Oprah. I don't see the problem. - Andrew Leahey

So according to you, an article in the NYT about one specific Twitter user also destroys the integrity of all of Twitter, or Scoble recommending to follow someone, or a famous actor, athlete. Where does it end? - Amit Morson

Amit: there's a few HUGE differences between that and the Twitter list. For one, my recommendation is not a default and is not shown to all new Twitter users. Two, if you read my review of someone you have to manually go over and check that person out and then add them by hand. Three, it's not the endorsement of the platform company itself (Twitter is a platform company). #3 is the biggest. If you want to have a good ecosystem on top of a platform the platform itself can NOT choose the winners or losers. - Robert Scoble

Then again, that suggests Twitter has integrity. (I understand you're not using the word in that sense, though.) - Joel Postman

I guess SUL just became the don't-follow-list on twitter :) - Shivanand Velmurugan

The SUL is unfair, but so is life. - Mike Seidle

nateritter

Wow, I'm impressed with the new friendfeed. If there was a non-AIR app I could love, I might even switch over. Doubtful though.

April 30 - Comment - Like - Share

@nateritter but without the link we'd not be able to reply in a threaded discussion to your FF share... - Sociosophy Reviews

Allen Stern

so oprah was injected into the twitter default list immediately - got a nice 700k followers and hasn't posted in a week - discuss.

April 28 - Comment - Like - Share

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She has to go do bed without dinner! - Dave Winer

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The fact that this surprises anyone surprises me. - Alex Scoble

The same is probably true for her followers, I'd be surprised if more than 50% get what Twitter is - Jorge Escobar

attention deficit disorder? - bob phillips

She's probably off evaluating JaikuEngine vs Laconica for her own Harpo-branded microblogging community site. Not. - Ken Sheppardson

clearly the line that the twitter founders gave us about how people get on the list is a joke, but we knew that already. - Allen Stern

Who? The nearest I get to following a 'star' is the British comedian Stephen Fry because he genuinely interacts and makes me roar with laughter. Mind you, FabooMama does that too :-) - Sally Church

700K followers isn't social it's marketing. And they probably didn't see that much bang for their buck yet ... so ... off to something else. - AJ Kohn

We knew that Twitter was going to place its "celebrity" users into the default list and especially oprah after shes increased traffic to Twitter. - Nicholas James

I mention this thread on my latest blog post: Read/Write Twitter: Twitter’s real value is up to you http://cli.gs/78ZLP2 - Jorge Escobar

she is like 60% of those who try twitter -- they do not return - Bob Boynton

I think it's unfortunate that there are celebs out there that don't harness twitter, but just get an account to gather followers. What's the point if you're not communicating? I'd be happy with just a portion of those followers (100k), but I actually engage. - Kevin Elliott

I am laughing. Twitter's story is about to get worse. - Robert Scoble

I am not at all surprised. I think the Oprah publicity did more harm than good to Twitter. - rob

Fuck Twitter. Block me bitches. - Brian Daniel Eisenberg

What's even funnier to me: Not that people are surprised but that anyone expected her to post regularly in the first place. - Trish R

She had three posts today if anyone cares… - Erik K Veland

she doesn't get it give the poor girl a chance ...she'll be back - Thomas Power

We were discussing this a few days ago, contains some interesting point of views. "Does Twitter's Recommended Users List Give an Unfair Advantage to the Privileged Few?" http://ff.im/2nwsb - Sharon McPherson

Maybe she is scared of the mistake Hugh Jackman made with his Ghost Writer - Azzam

Hmm. Let's see. You build a website that people use for free. That website gets OPRAH to join... I'd put her face on the front page holding a big blue bird that says "follow-me!" tattooed on its forehead, even if she doesn't use it all too often. "Oh no! it's been a whole week since she hasn't updated!" - Who cares? Don't like the SUL? Don't look at it. Don't like Oprah getting followers? Don't look. That's the wondrous beauty of Web 2.0; user-controlled environment. Make of it what you want. - Sociosophy Reviews

Her assistant is likely too busy. - Jim Goldstein

that is why @oprah is fail. Plain and simple. #toughroom - Drew Lucas

I think the Oprah/Kutcher try Twitter live incident truly was Twitter's jump the shark moment - Brian Sullivan

What's an oprah? Isn't that like a vegetable or something? As far as I know, vegetables are not capable of using twitter. - Jeremy Brooks

Who's Oprah? - Matt Warren

lame - Susan Beebe

Dave Winer

If Twitter put me on the Suggested Users List, I'd: 1. Request to be removed. 2. If the request wasn't honored, I'd delete my account.

April 30 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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Same goes for me! - Matthew DeVries

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Not Me! I'd celebrate, strip naked, and howl at the Moon! - ZuDfunck

Why would you do that? - Angsuman Chakraborty

I would announce it to all my friends and family and then probably delete it , I don't need the pressure - Kim Landwehr

why - andy brudtkuhl

oh come on! - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

Well you don't like it... I would do everything to get on the suggested users list on Twitter... - Ryo / Fuck Facebook

It would be a disaster if I got on the SUL. I already spend too much time screening new followers. - Morton Fox

I've never clamored for followers and don't understand why people do so. - Derrick

Question: If FriendFeed had a SUL; and you were on it, would you say the same thing if you started getting more subscribers? - I sense bias. - Sociosophy Reviews

Derrick, I've said it so many times... It depends on how you use social web services. I want to reach as many people as I can. I don't want to spread out stuff that nobody sees. I'm working hard for getting this stuff together and get nothing else for it, than the joy when somebody reads it. So less follower= less potential readers. - Ryo / Fuck Facebook

I agree with @sociosophy, this double standard about griping about Twitter's list and not about Friendfeed's is ridiculous. Can't we all just move on, I'm sure there are better things to be discussed. - Brandon Mendelson

The FF SUL is not hand picked... it's done based on who are FoaF and are popular - Chris Heath

Here's the deal -- number of followers on Twitter is a totally different thing from the number on FF. When you click on a name in Twitter there is the number of followers, in big type. They bury the number of followers in FF. I don't know how many I have and I don't want to know. I also don't know how many you have or Scoble has. But on Twitter it's almost as prominent as their name. So it matters. You can say it doesn't for you, but it does for almost everyone else. - Dave Winer

Hence my question, Chris. If FF had a hand-picked SUL, I doubt the discussion would be the same. Additionally, I agree with Brandon - there's plenty more crap to gripe about, like the bad styling choices made for FF with this new launch. - Sociosophy Reviews

I love it!!! I think that is the very thing that is diluting twitter.. Good call Dave. - Drew Lucas

But it got gamed in a bad way on Twitter, openly, and now you have this strange thing where it matters, the numbers are quoted, people write stories about them, and they are often meaningless. My numbers actually kind of mean something, I say kind of because in comparison with those of others you have to ask whether the other guy is on The List or not. - Dave Winer

Ryo, I hear you, but it seems to me that Twitter has reached it's breaking point, jumped the shark, whatever you want to call it. I know when I see people who claim to be social media experts, or follow or are followed by 10K people, it's a big turn off and I can't block them fast enough. If I was in the market to do something via social media, I'd look for something post-Twitter to help me get my message out. - Derrick

That and on a personal level -- I really resent that other people get special treatment and even more it rubs our nose in the fact that there are *three* levels in Twitter: 1. Peons. 2. Special People. and 3. Gods. The gods not only are special, but they have the power to annoint people as special. I liked the web because it was a LEVEL PLAYING FIELD. That's what I want to go back to now. I think the plantation model has run its course. - Dave Winer

One more thing -- I don't think FF is any better. We have to get out of this mode where we're test cases in an ant farm owned by these programmer types. I don't like this new UI and if this were part of the web, I could ignore it. I'm going back to the web -- this is ridiculous. I've learned all I'm going to learn from these systems. They suck. Moral of the story. - Dave Winer

We have to remember that this is only mirroring real life. Whether we like it or not, there are class systems in the entire world, and that certainly includes the United States. Those who are rich, seem excessively rich. Actors, football players, and others get paid insane amounts of money for jobs that really aren't that much harder than any other. There are people with billions of... more... - Kevin Elliott

Dave I completely agree. The new UI is stark and bold and lacks any nuance. I call it 'early BlogSpot'. I miss the dialogue bubble and the source app icon. If they leave the old real-time pop-out URL intact I won't care. - Gregg Scott

Kevin, of course -- but -- they can change anything they want with blogspot or wordpress.com and I can go on editing Scripting News as always cause it's on my own domain and I control the software there. I'm talking pragmatics. And if Twitter gave a reporter 500K free followers on Twitter, I might stop trusting what that reporter says about Twitter. And in general I might wonder if... more... - Dave Winer

We should stop trusting that reporter now, since Twitter *is* essentially giving people hundreds of thousands of followers without merit already! I'm sorry, but Oprah getting 700k followers is ridiculous. - Kevin Elliott

Actually I don't completely agree. The UI I'm not craxy for. That's it. - Gregg Scott

Kevin, that's exactlly right. That's why I said they poisoned Twitter as a medium for news when they invented the SUL and I meant it and I believe it, and I think it's obvious. - Dave Winer

I will repeat it here: Twitter mass follows are the new Spam. It's making the noise louder. - William Mougayar

mashable

Uploading Personal Files to Your Kindle? That’ll Be 15 Cents per Megabyte - http://mashable.com/2009...

April 30 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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they charge for putting documents on the device you have bought yourself? It is worry over the proprietary format that made me pass on the Kindle, but that is even worse than I could have imagined - buy ebooks from another supplier, still pay amazon. To put your files from your home computer to the device you own. Incredible. - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

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The Kindle is a #sham. Great concept, but proprietary software, running on proprietary hardware, bottled up in a proprietary marketplace... Sony does this shit - Memory Sticks, Betamax? Remember those days? Yea. Kindle. What they need is an industry standard (using existing mediums) to sell e-books. - Sociosophy Reviews

I tend to agree, the kindle does feel way too proprietary. And yet I love the iPhone and isn't it also guilty of being "proprietary software, running on proprietary hardware, bottled up in a proprietary marketplace" ? - James Tindall

Yep! (James) Which is why I own a Nokia N95 - Sociosophy Reviews

Robert Scoble

Twitter (and all social networks) will never be the same thanks to PeopleBrowsr - http://scobleizer.com/2008...

December 5, 2008 from Scobleizer -- Tech geek... - Comment - Like - Share

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I really like Peoplebrowsr and think it fills the gaps so many people have been whinging about. - Nicola Quinn

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PeopleBrowsr FTW, that's for sure - Sociosophy Reviews from twhirl

now we need a peoplebrowsr desktop client! - sixbit

No breakthrough:( - YaDuMMeR

It's very nice. Kinda reminds me of TweetDeck in the presentation. Now they just need to expand to some more of the social services. - R. Alexander Spoerer

I know its alpha and all that but it seems wildly over-hyped to me - Trevor Cook

Remember the scene in "Big" where Tom Hanks keeps saying "I don't get it" to the toy presentation? Well, "I don't get it". - Chris Stevenson

You can *tell* (ask?) it to refresh every X minute but it, uh, doesn't. Pondering. - techPR

Great Tom Hanks reference in "Big". - Kevin Whalen

I am still yet to check out PeopleBrowsr - Joe Dawson

I like the idea but found that the UI still needs some polishing. - Davide D'Incau

Still needs work. I see the value in it, but it is slow...and odd to add panes. - Kreg Steppe

Geez, and I thought FF was overwhelming when I first signed in... - ronin

The really need to work on some of the usability / features around the non-twitter services. - Chip Childers

I just tried it out. At first glance I don't see any value here. Then again I don't really use Twitter very much. I couldn't find any interesting FF integration and got nothing from the Flickr integration. Maybe I'm just not using it right though. - Thomas Hawk

They need to pare down the number of features - much of what is there outside of twitter offers little to no clear value. That said, the twitter stuff has potential. - Andy Roth

+1 Thomas Hawk - wasn't impressed - William Harryman

Their UI is action packed and they have some great ideas implemented for grouping and messaging. I could see it being useful even if if you're not a power user. - Thropic

This looks fantastic! Thanks for the heads-up! - Flora from twhirl

Had a try with it this morning and it reckoned my name on FriendFeed and Flickr was Mohamed. Very strange... - Martin Bryant

Lovin' it so far - Charlie Anzman

I love the search feature, grouping, bulk messaging and the richness of user profiles. Definitely a fun app to hang out and explore in. - Maria Sipka

I loved it the minute I saw it... impressive concept, design and functionality. Needs on-screen UIX helps so users can easily navigate - too complex. I am very app savvy and had a hard time getting my way around ALL the features... I think I've got about 70% covered. The panes are a "pain" to use - Susan Beebe

Chokes on my primary browser. Not a fan of Flash. Seeing what other networks other people are on is interesting, although if they're on FF, then you can see that already. - Victor Ganata

great for alpha release...performance a little slow, but I like the concept - Tom Mack

I do like it, but the group function did not function as I expected. I tried sending to a group, but it just created a bunch of twitter messages with @ signs and just a part of my message. Will have to play a bit more. - Kenley Neufeld

Great interview, Robert. I'm excited to try this service. Is it something you're using on a daily basis? - Devon Campbell

Nice job Video man .... :) - Charlie Anzman

Cute, but slow and clumsy interface - Nick

Not impressed. Confusing and hard to use. Keep it simple. - David Jacobs

It definitely has potential, but at this point it has a clumsy UI and some performance/stability issues (understandable in an alpha). Does anyone else agree that it is just plain hard to beat the simplicity of the FF RealTime UI for following and participating in conversations? - Robert Clockedile

...Perhaps FF should just let us drop our other social streams into the RealTime interface. Add cross-service posting, a la Posterous or Ping.fm, and that would be the killer app - Robert Clockedile

Trying this now...thanks. - Jen

Thanks for all the comments re PeopleBrowsr. Great feedback. We are working on UI and performance. And we improved the Groups feature. We use 'Live' tweets and messages from our Google Group http://groups.google.com/group... to shape PeopleBrowsr in real time. The Alpha Release is updated every day. Very welcome all your ideas. Thanks again - SHHHE

Robert Scoble

Twitter users: why FriendFeed is NOT for you: http://scobleizer.com/2008...

December 8, 2008 - Comment - Like - Share

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I agree, give it another 6 months a see what happens. It's only been around for just over a year hasn't it? Twitter has been around for a lot longer. - jjprojects from twhirl

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I came up with 10 reasons. Can you come up with more? Yeah, jjprojects FF is only a year old. - Robert Scoble

I think there is also a level of involvement difference. Many people go for a Twitter "Binge". They tweet like 20 items in rapid succession and then are silent for half a day. This works fine with people who are microblogging. But those who are out there to share interesting content, and want to talk about things therein; find it much less interesting. - Parth Awasthi

Also, Twitter is easier to control for people who don't really have much more to say. They have a very limited opinion. Like: "Read this" or "Cool stuff". They don't have a deeper intent to start a conversation. - Parth Awasthi

I'm a twitter user and I really like FF :) - Jean-François Amadei from twhirl

That's perfect. Am beginning to think FF is to Twitter as Macs are to PCs. - Nicola Quinn

I only read down to #5 before my head started hurting Robert :-) - Digory

Fortunately, soft like Twhirl help me to use both networks - Jean-François Amadei from twhirl

But Robert coming back to the introductory passage of your post; is there a gap between the two spaces? We know that there are definitely differences between the user bases of the two that are deeper than just these; but is there a market space for more? I think so. What do you say? - Parth Awasthi

My reply to Winer's post he made earlier got scrapped ... but it turned into a blog post, none the less. I still lean on the idea that Twitter != FriendFeed and there's no reason to compare'm http://enrique-gutierrez.com/2008... - Enrique Gutierrez from twhirl

Nicola: I beg to differ slightly. IMHO its more like FF:Twitter :: Computers:Handhelds. I use both services extensively and I find them to serve a largely disjoint set of objectives for me. Convergent to the same direction, but definitely not the same level to be compared as Macs V/S PCs. - Parth Awasthi

twitter=life spam - David

Nicola Quinn: That's ridiculous. PC's are no less functional than Macs on any level. Twitter's base functionality is basic, FriendFeed is not... I'm with Parth. - Sociosophy Reviews

Blog post in reply.. http://www.kanjhan.com/2008... - Bhavishya Kanjhan

FriendFeed is a view, an aggregator and to a much lesser extent a way to generate content. I like the mixed view of content on FF, the one direct post I made it took me ages (relatively), to find how to create it. I might use it to create longer posts than a tweet and shorter posts than a blog entry. That it has an edit entry feature means I'm more likely to use it for that than not. Twittering is for just that short staccato bursts of noise that just might be information or Here I am, Here I am. - Simon Lucy

I like the reverse psychology approach. But I have to say, I love the idea of mashing all the services into one location for one-stop shopping. There are too many outlets and people are spread far and wide. Nice to have one place to see as much as possible with as little effort as friendfeed. - Martha

Heh, great post. - Tyson Key

Parth, SR: I'm no techie but even I can create scripts on my mac to make it work exactly how I want it to instead of me fitting in to how my PC, or more correctly Windows, wanted me to work. That's all, and I feel the same about the difference between Twitter and FF. - Nicola Quinn

Martha, you're absolutely right! I would like to use a tool that merges Tweetdeck, Friendfeed, my GMail account and Feedfemon in one place. That would be THE tool. - Berci Mesko, MD

An interesting thing I've noticed with FF is that it's replaced most of the forums I used to go to as a place to go for a variety of discussion topics. It's essentially the place I go when I want to talk about things and gain perspective on issues. Twitter has always been a simple broadcast tool / brief communication tool for me. - Jon, the Beartato of FF

I like your way to demonstrate that, I know you are promoting friendfeed while praising twitter: ) 'Distraction' has set the fate for friendfeed, ff can not make money from "attention economy" cuz attention is so much distracted in friendfeed services. But twitter can--you can't imagine how much focused when you are reading tweets from the person you are concerned. Maybe friendfeed can make money from propaganda, I am not sure : ) - K.D. from fftogo

the problem with twitter is that it's an addiction. Just when I think that I am out, it pulls me back in. It's the simplicity. I primarily use FF, but twitter fills in the gaps. There is a place for both, but more people should jump into FF. Although my wife is still unsure of twitter, so I have my work cut out for me. How bout that post Robert? "10 reasons why email/SMS is for you and twitter is not." :-) - Bob Blunk

I guess this isn't as relevant as it used to be, but I wouldn't know since I don't use Twitter, but you forgot one: Friendfeed works, resulting in much more distraction. - Jim Hearts FF

Bob, my problem is the people I follow and follow me on Twitter and FF have nothing to do with my business and I'm wondering if trying to get the people in my field interested, notoriously bad networkers, is to justify the enormous amounts of time I spend here. - Nicola Quinn

Well, I just started here on FF - I joined the service because I needed a kind of info aggregation. I also appreciate the threaded discussions here (easier to follow than on Twitter - isn't it why Gmail started to be so popular - "threads"?). What I miss in both services though is the ability to sort information - kind of pipes/filters (Google Reader has it (maps) not mentioning label filtering on Gmail) - slightly like on Twitdeck. The service providing easier to implement filtering will win IMHO... - Hanna Wiszniewska

The learning curve on ff is pretty steep, I gave to admit not getting ff at first but am now starting to get more comfortable with it. However ff does certaintly command much more attention than twitter. BUT we NEED a ff iPhone app. - Juan Pons

Even if you don't want to use any FF features and use FF as a twitter client, it's worth it. Create imaginary friends for each twitter user you follow and put them in a room. I hope someone will add the functionality to do this automatically at some point. - berkay

Still trying to get it. We've heard about it, it just seemed like another gimmick. It's cool so far. - UrbanRockBand

I am a Twitter user, and FF for me is just a single link to all my aggregated Web2.0 events -- *one* URL to communicate my 'life stream' with. I don't care about the rest of the FF features. - Bart Guijt

Robert, great approach ;) Ways to share stuff in FF: via bookmarklet (with picture, only 2 clicks). Maybe the fact that FF is first a powerful aggregator - *automatically* pulling everything - doesn't come across enough for people who don't use it (?). I guess I would never compare FF and Twitter because Twitter is just a tiny subset among 58 other sources. People use different tools to organize, share and converse, if you want the vast variety all in one place there's FF so we dont have to convert anyone - Gaby K. Slezák

#11 FriendFeed is not for you because You Can't Handle The Truth - Richard Akerman

Hee, hee, great post, and many that read it--will not get what is being said between the lines. I think Twitter validates that for many, something has to be ultra simple, require little work, little thought. I've seen this with past technologies. So new faces, new technologies, but similar user patterns I suppose. - JimmyJet

@jimmyjet, I think that is part of the point. If you can't read between the lines then you probably shouldn't be here. - Bob Blunk

I love this ... where's Dave Winer? hahahaha! - Susan Beebe

Rob Sellen :o)

What would you say are your 3 best tips for friendfeed?

December 7, 2008 - Comment - Like - Share

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Subscribe to people, participate a lot (comment, like, post), and learn how to use the hide feature effectively. - Her Lindsay-ness

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the hide feature...:o) didnt think about that. thanks. :o) do the first 2 anyway... so learnt something new there..thanks. :o) - Rob Sellen :o)

Like. Comment. Repeat. :-) More seriously, take part in discussions, be generous with likes/comments, and be yourself. - Ladybug Heather

Hard to not be...me.. ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

Join some rooms as well! - Andrew Trinh

In three at the moment..:o) whats recommended and why? - Rob Sellen :o)

Like a lot. Comment more. Reply to commenters. Oh, yeah, and LOLcats. Can't go wrong with LOLcats. - Steven Perez

lolcats?? :o/ - Rob Sellen :o)

participate, participate, and one last thing, participate - Mark Wilson

LOLcats. And Legos. - Steven Perez

:o) so you are saying...what exactly? parcitipate....:o) - Rob Sellen :o)

Steven, you forgot boobs. LOLcats, Legos, and boobs. - Ladybug Heather

<looks round> where are the boobs!? :o) - Rob Sellen :o)

1. Bring in great content. Either through reading other people's feeds via Google Reader, favoriting pictures on Flickr or SmugMug, or writing your own blogs that get brought in here or bringing in content from others. 2. Be very picky on who you follow. Pick great people and your view will be great. Pick jerks or noisy people and you'll see nasty stuff or noise that doesn't add value and distracts you. 3. As you follow more people build lists. My list of 200 hand-picked people has been a lifesaver here. - Robert Scoble

I actually don't use hide all that much. What do people most commonly hide? - invariant - farewell FF

Nce one...:o) good advice there I will take on board...hopefullly I am on the right track...:o) Then that's up to you all to say if true or not..:o) - Rob Sellen :o)

interesting question..about the hide...:o) - Rob Sellen :o)

1. Follow people that are interesting to you, not particularly because you know them. 2. Don't be afraid to participate, even if it's to politely disagree. It's good to stimulate constructive debate. 3. Have fun. Nothing is worth doing, or will get done really well, if you don't enjoy doing it. - Ian May

I choose not to hide anything, I like seeing all sorts of information flow past. If I'm not interested in something it will pretty much dissipate with the next refresh of the browser. - Andrew Trinh

1) Download the latest bookmark so you can share good stuff. 2) Use pictures when you share things. Will help bring better attention to them. 3) Use the 10 Top people to follow lists as a map, but don't be afraid to venture off course as well. - I wanted to share things people had not already said. - Amani

Thats what i was thinking with the hide...now seeing it.. by time I hid it..woosh..gone lol!! :o) - Rob Sellen :o)

Thanks...:o) so I am on the right track then :o) - Rob Sellen :o)

1. Use only two groups "People you know and love" and "Everyone Else", you never know when someone will go from one group to the next. 2. Filter your noise, don't make others do it for you 3. Seek out new people & brag about the cool ones you find. - Sociosophy Reviews from twhirl

In response to the "what to hide" question -- I hide lots at the service level -- Twitter for one, Brightkite, digg, last.fm also hidden -- I am just not interested in what is on those feeds (I hide Twitter without comments or likes otherwise with many followeds it gets just too noisy). I hide individual posts if they pop up many times and I am tired of seeing it. I block a few people -- but only as a last resort. - Brian Sullivan

1. Don't feel like you need to participate. 2. Don't feel like you need to read everything. 3. Don't feel like you need to follow who everyone else is following. - Mark Trapp

So..i just subscribed you lot to main hme page... i can move people into other groups..or would I have to unsub and resub changing it. :o) - Rob Sellen :o)

How do I filtter the types of feed... i dont like getting the music ones..not cos i dont like it..cos me ears are shit lol!! ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

Rob: check out Louis Gray's primer on hiding: http://louisgray.com/live... - Mark Trapp

Wait - Robert you are picky on who you follow? ;-P No, really, I share your outlook. 1) Sort wisely, 2) Participate generously, and 3) Have fun! - Ken Stewart | ChangeForge

I agree with that Mark... but need to "get to know" what to filter i suppose..:o) - Rob Sellen :o)

Reading it..thanks mark... Ken..picky..course... ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

The only problem with hiding tweets with no FF activity is...if everybody did that who would like or comment on them? I've really only hidden the occasional post with an offensive picture. - invariant - farewell FF

Invariant: why does that have to be your problem? There's too much information to play the noise martyr. - Mark Trapp

Mark: It's never gotten in my way. Maybe I just don't follow rabid tweeters. Also friendfeed will group them up if someone spews a lot, so it doesn't take up much real estate. I don't necessarily read them all in that case. - invariant - farewell FF

invariant: your argument was that if everyone hid everything with no likes and comments, nothing would get liked or commented on. I don't see why that universalization has to be anyone's problem. If you like noise, great, but there's no reason why everyone should fall on the sword of noise because of some absurd slippery slope. Vive hide. - Mark Trapp

Good post by louis that...some great advice here from all of you... :o) Thanks. - Rob Sellen :o)

Mark: I see, I thought you were addressing me personally. You're absolutely right. I'd just recommend trying it out for a while before turning on the hide, and only do it for individuals and not everyone. - invariant - farewell FF

1. Don't give up if you don't understand the point. Stick with FriendFeed for a few days, and it'll all fall into place. 2. Find people who have feeds that interest you, and subscribe. Don't just subscribe to anyone and everyone. That'll just create way too much noise. 3. Participate. Like, comment, contribute. If you participate, people may subscribe to you, all the while giving back to the community by sharing your own content. - deepikaur

Make sure you check out the Tools and Account links in the top right. Some cool stuff there. For example, FriendFeed is a cool way to feed Twitter your blog posts instead of using that clunky Twitterfeed service. IM is cool too. And, finally, Use "Best of Day" to filter stuff. It reduces the noise considerably. - Dominic Jones

Ironic..IRweb..I went to the best of the day link...this was at the top...lol.. I thought I mucked up..went and clicked it again..:o) - Rob Sellen :o)

(1) always include a picture; shared items without a picture will get NO activity unless you have 2000+ followers. (2) the "hide" link is your best friend; learn how to use it and all its variations. (3) if your so-called "great content" isn't getting a response, try something with boobs or LOLcats. - Glen Campbell

Don't have anything constructive to add since I am so new to this, but I am internally grateful for the great comments and suggestions in this list. Thanks! Definitely getting more comfortable with this the more I use it. - Martha

I agree Martha... I only started two days ago..:o) good tips for everyone here. :o) - Rob Sellen :o)

1. Use http://www.ffholic.com/ to quickly find the most active posts, read the comments on them and subscribe to the participants that interest you. 2. It is easiest to find quality posts and people to follow by identifying one or more popular users (like Mike Fruchter, Louis Gray or Robert Scoble) and subscribing to them. 3. Click on Rooms, Search for Rooms and find a room on a subject that interests you. If you don't see one, create one. - Internet Strategist

justine

OH WOW!!! Just learned that twitter ISN'T a blog??!?!! http://tastyblogsnack.com/2008...

December 4, 2008 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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Right on! Twitter is a blog in its purest form. - Jared B. Luther

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I always find your tweets entertaining! - Joshua Mortensen

Who tweets things of value? Its entertaining brain dumping of findings in life and on the web... whoever wrote that needs to delete their twitterself. - Sociosophy Reviews from twhirl

Thats news to us .... What were we thinking - Trigeia Twinz

Sociosophy Reviews

Marshmallow Poppers Official Website - https://www.marshmallowpopper.com/index...

December 5, 2008 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

Who else knew about this marshmallow gun & didn't tell me? - Sociosophy Reviews from Bookmarklet

@downtownrob expect this for christmas.... - Enrique Gutierrez

Robert Scoble

Steve Jobs sleeps like baby after Nokia World - http://scobleizer.com/2008...

December 5, 2008 from Scobleizer -- Tech geek... - Comment - Like - Share

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right next to Larry and Sergey - Bob Sonin

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Eldon, there is no, and there will be no competition in near future for Android. If you want functionality, a open world of apps, there is no alternative. When you want to have a lifestyle gadget get an iPhone. Android (which is a whole platform, not a single device) is for tech guys and Google users, not for snobs. If there are some who can sleep like a baby, it's the one from Google. There will be new Android phones, when the iPhone is already history. - Ryo / Fuck Facebook

@Scobleizer I have a "disagreement" in point of view, to me, S60 application development is up to Symbian not Nokia, at least that's my take on it. Nokia develops it's own software, but they're not in the same "genre" (bad word choice) as Apple... - Sociosophy Reviews from twhirl

Sociosophy: Nokia owns Symbian now and is open sourcing it too. - Robert Scoble

Holy moly! That's huge news to me... Nokia owns Symbian? I had to jump to Google News just to verify that's so awesome. Ok, yea - Nokia needs to step their friggin game up on dev now for sure then... That's... I'm excited - Enrique Gutierrez from twhirl

@robert; But there are serious differences. Android is a real open system, a nice gui and infinite possibilities. The iPhone is a closed, very cool gui for snobs, running from a insane genius with a lot of disciples. And Symbian is simply a pile of shit. - Ryo / Fuck Facebook

Androids short comings are the fact that the phone feels like a pile of under developed garbage. The iPhone has a large dev base, but once Adobe releases mobile Flash & god forbid AIR, that game is up. Symbian needs work, but if anyone can make an improvement, it's Nokia - Enrique Gutierrez from twhirl

Aren't we all too focused on the US? Mobile phones are fast proliferating in other parts of the world where Nokia has a strong base and market share.I believe that means a strong Symbian developer base too? Thinking aloud... - kamla bhatt

Kamla: It's been that way forever too. Back in the early 2000's GSM was all the rage with 140+ countries adopting the technology, partly due to poor land line services. Nokia's been ahead of the curve (globally) for ages. - Sociosophy Reviews from twhirl

It's true Nokia has a massive footprint. But many people who have even the S60 smartphones don't even know how to install apps, and you can forget about the S40 users :-). - sixbit

sixbit: I'm assuming you've never used the Nokia Application Installer via PC Suite or Ovi? It's mindless and fast. Also, apps can be installed from the phone-based browser. - Sociosophy Reviews

@ryo I couldn't agree more with you. Apple has done a great job with making apps available but Apple's characteristics limitations restrict it from achieving it's true potential. Android on the other hand has limitless possibilities which will only truly be displayed from 2010 onwards when a lot more devices start coming out without necessarily outdating current gen Android devices. - Bhavishya Kanjhan

What I like about S60 phones is their ability to sync with Lotus Notes (what I use at work). So, I think I will stay with Nokia. - Olivier Castets

@sociosophy I install apps on my S60, but not nearly as often as on my iphone or android phone. but thats besides the point, i'm a mobile developer, and my point is the the average person who has a Nokia doesn't even bother with the PC Suite or Ovi. - sixbit

@Enrique. I don't have any confidence that Adobe can sufficiently optimise Flash/Air on mobile devices so that your phone's battery wont sucked dry in minutes. If they can't even get decent performance on Mac or Linux, then I don't see how Adobe can magic up some decent performance on mobile devices. - Paul Grav

@ryo I like Android but love iPhone. Just plain easier. And, IMHO, limitations can be liberating. A sonnet is difficult, but satisfying. It is early in the game. Apple might get more open (the kernel is there,) if the competition demands it. It is easier to open a closed system than to close an open one. - Phil Boiarski

Maybe not so much after AT&T's announce they want 1 OS (possibly Symbian) for all the (rest of the) the phones they sell. The Symbian ecosystem from cheap phones through expensive ones like the new Nokia could hold back "time to get a new phone" customers on T who have the dough to buy an iPhone. Unless of course Jobs has got a little $99 phone (w/o big subsidies, which AT&T isn't going to take up the a** anymore) in his pocket. Or, if this 1 OS is the iPhone OS itself. But that isn't what T said. - Wade Dorrell

Robert Scoble

Does http://be-a-magpie.com bug you? If I were @ev I would block this ad network from Twitter. Discuss:

November 23, 2008 - Comment - Like - Share

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Twitter should make sure it is only one to build systemic monetization schemes on its service. But either way I don't like it when people "Amway" their friends. - Robert Scoble

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http://twitter.com/willhig... - Will Higgins™

That's pretty rude towards Amway, RS! So, tell Twitter to start monetizing already. - jamesdkirk

I haven't seen it in action yet and don't want to try it in fear that I will loose all my followers. - Sweyn Venderbush

I'm not a fan. and they will get unfollowed if I see it in my stream - Erin @queenofspain

should we not let the twitter market work it out? Is there a major difference between twitter ads and ads on a blog? - jason keath

Does it violate their terms of service or something? I don't see how they can block it if not. Sure, it's annoying, and if I start seeing folks I follow using it heavily, I'll probably stop following. - Ken Sheppardson

Wow, I was going to blog about this in a few days. I think Twitter might want to block magpie and instead do this themselves! - AJ Kohn

Social Media is about sharing interesting things with people who find those things interesting, not about soapboxing crap and spamming others with random junk. Magpie is a service that doesn't understand that, and though it attempts (poorly) at doing some level of justice to spamming, it's still spam/ads and unwelcomed in my book. - Enrique Gutierrez

James: I was in Amway for a while. They totally try to get you to sell stuff to your friends. The comparison is very apt. - Robert Scoble

or they could let it run in a test phase, see if it works and then buy it like they did with summize...I'm still debating how I think Twitter should be monetized, but working for Google on the AdWords product I have some opinions :) - Derek Coatney

should Twitter create it's "magpie" rather than let magpie run riot? - Jansen Lu

I suspect this is happening already Robert. Everyone is gaming the system. - Mark Taylor

No, that was the training organization you belonged to. I was in for a while too. Amway products ARE top notch. And we all make recommendations ALL THE TIME to our friends. Plus you and I and others with online presence put ads on their blogs/sites/feeds. Is it any different? I don't really think so. - jamesdkirk

A while back I made a post that concluded that twitter is good for exactly one spam (http://seanreiser.com/node/342) because you can drop anyone who uses their influence to start spamming. (And, yes I think magpie tweets are spam). I dont know if twitter should block it, but I will avoid folks using it. - Bastard Operator From FF

It's close to what we have planned, but we think we have a better offering. Magpie bugs people, but I'd like to think http://twitAD.com won't. ;) - Andy A.

(warning, I talk about my company in this comment) - I believe our company has a better option (www.zenect.com). Instead of having full SMS ads come from you to all your followers, our ad network inserts 40 character (or less) tagline ads at the end of messages. We don't integrate with Twitter at this time but instead offer a full micro-blog + mobile ad network. And I agree with Jason that the market will determine whether Magpie is viable and popular. If people like it, more power to them. - Doug

I've offered up this for @ev and my fellow tweeters: http://bit.ly/3PZ56Y #tweetrocket - Jason Kintzler

Amway, er, Quixtar's products are fine. The marketing and distribution scheme is sleazy. - Robert Scoble

agree wholheartedly, Robert. Twitter is largely not a place for this type of marketing. I do not want ads in my Tweetstream. - Stephen Collins from twhirl

Robert, I'd love to tell you about OXY FRESH!!!!! KIDDING! But srsly, an Aunt of mine got sucked in to Oxy Fresh, another MLM scheme I think :) - Richard ¿digame? Walker

Nice intro, Doug ;) - jamesdkirk

yep, it sure does. Especially when those that I tend to click on their links more often have it enabled. Clicking on ads rather than a genuine recommendation from them is going against the grain of whay makes Twitter, friendfeed... all the SM tools useful. - Wendy Peters from twhirl

OK, I'll fess up. I've set up Magpie here. I've had it running about two weeks. I've had just one comment about it, and that wasn't really adversarial, and one person ask what it was, and they wanted to join. I've checked and it's sent out just 3 tweets since Friday, so not excessive. I'm monitoring it closely though, and if I got major objections, and/or lots of unfollows I'd review my participation. - Ian May

I'm not advocating one distribution system over another, but I find it interesting that a fellow who makes his living telling us all about the "latest thing" in order to inform us and let us know why we should like a service would compare this service with one that at base levels just uses social interaction to distribute its products - jamesdkirk

to those using magpie and claiming no negative vocal response I ask, have you monitored your unfollows? I know a lot of people will simply just unfollow you without saying anything, it's what I do. - Chris Pugh

but still, doesn't it all come down to "unfollowing" if you don't like what I'm sending in my stream? (presuming I was using this service?) Let's not forget that, folks! - jamesdkirk

I say "more power to them!" If people like what they do, it will succeed. If they don't, the people who sell their tweets will find they have no audience. Advertising runs our media-centric economy. As long as the market is free to opt out by unfollowing, Twitter will become what its users want it to be. - Kenneth LeFebvre

http://useqwitter.com will help out there CP. - jamesdkirk

dunno, Robert -- be-a-magpie says "scobelizer" is worth up to €22,816.42 per month. (presumably emphasis on the "up to") though one wonders if having your tweets BOOT CUT JEANS NOW ON SALE AT THE GAP constantly interrupted by BEN & JERRY'S VANILLA, NOW IN ORGANIC advertising will just make them TRY THE POPCORN SHRIMP PLATTER AT RED LOBSTER annoying. - Karim

@jamesdkirk that's exactly it ... the service pays by follower count, so the self defeating fact is simple. use magpie, get unfollowed, lose all your followers, stop using the service, start rebuilding your twitter network ... repeat? sounds stupid to me - Enrique Gutierrez from twhirl

@Chris I've had a few people unfollow me, and a few more follow me since I've started using it. I haven't noticed a sudden increase in unfollows, just normal turnover, when folks realize that they don't find my inane drivel very interesting after all... - Ian May

I'd do this if I were Twitter since they could insert ads at an appropriate rate for each users (based on tweets/hour) and type (based on keyword filtering). Only Twitter would be best at ensuring the ad load wasn't too high. And face it folks, they have to make money someway. It's this, subscriptions or banner ad mania. - AJ Kohn

@Scobleizer None of the people I follow use it. I threatened to un-follow if anyone signed up ;-) - Joseph McLaughlin

Perhaps a service like magpie could work out a deal with Twitter of some kind? - Ian May

I'd agree with AJ Kohn. I like the service they provide, and would deal with "tasteful" insertions. It or something similar will happen. And it WILL HAPPEN here on FF before long as well. Wait and see. - jamesdkirk

one more thing - If I want to be advertised at - I'll follow one or all of the spam bots that follow me. heh - Enrique Gutierrez from twhirl

If you are using magpie, your SNR inverts. It needs serious tweaking. Here's @geekmommy's post/discussion on #magpie: http://twurl.nl/ajtuf5 - Zena Weist

Is there an ad network where I can be paid to *refrain* from saying how much certain products suck? heh. - Karim

*thinking out loud* Could this be why Bezos invested ... does he see a massive new affiliate network via tweets? - AJ Kohn

it doesnt affect me as I have yet to see it in use. it seems everyone is looking out for retaining their 'Tribe' rather than making a quick nickel at their expense. . - timduke

One of my Twitter friends says he's unfollowed two people already after seeing their Magpie ads. - Michael Perlman

I have no problem with this. Twitter is victimless: if you don't like seeing #magpie tweets, unsubscribe the sender. Very simple. If I were Twitter, though, I'd boot be-a-magpie as a revenue competitor. - Chris Baskind

I think the difference between bloggers having ads on their blogs & using magpie is that an ad on a blog page is passive. Readers can choose to read them or not. It doesn't generate a text message or chirp or enter any life stream or feed. Personally, I think services like magpie somewhat "sully the stream" and make it less organic; more disingenuous. [disclosure - I am blogger w/ads in my sidebar - but don't use twitter to spam my readers/followers] - faryl

I also think it's a trust & etiquette issue. If I were John Chow (no offense to John) my readers might expect that - I'd be practicing what I preach. But as someone whose blog is about using social media to connect in positive ways, I don't know that it would be appropriate. Bottom line, if I have to think about "would this be ok to do", I probably should opt NOT do it. Maybe as twitter evolves and there are more filtering tools out there. But not now. I agree with geekmommy's post (thanks @Zena Weist) - faryl

Robert, I see this slightly different than Amway. With Amway you're directly approaching friends, which would be the equivalent of "DM"'ing all your friends a magpie. With this, you're simply putting an ad up above your house for all your friends to choose to look at or not. - Jesse Stay

this service caused us to write the only bad review to date - of over 100 reviews on Sociosophy.com --- http://www.sociosophy.com/blog... - Sociosophy Reviews from twhirl

Not one person has complained about my magpie tweets to me. Maybe I'm not worth the time? - bill giltner

Wow, I touched a nerve here. Will write a blog about my thoughts. Be back later. - Robert Scoble

@bill giltner - do you use qwitter? after people become aware of what this service does, that might be something to consider using. - Sociosophy Reviews

Sociosophy, Bill, SocialToo does what Qwitter does too - tracks both people that followed and unfollowed you and sends in a batch daily. - Jesse Stay from twhirl

yes it does, well at least my experience with socialtoo has shown that as I received an email today telling me who followed and who unfollowed. - Raymond Marr aka Knatchwa from IM

@jesse_stay thanks for the tip! we'll have a look soon - Sociosophy Reviews from twhirl

Personally, I don't mind it. It makes Twitter into a real business tool. - Daniel Brusilovsky

Sociosophy I have to disclose my bias - I am the developer of SocialToo, so if it gives you any troubles let me know. - Jesse Stay from twhirl

We should be able to handpick ads we want to share with our friends, that's the most natural way to do it. - TunisianGuy

Social Media is not about having ads shoved at you without permission. If I see magpie in my stream, I will unfollow - Sylvia Webb

Personally I do not find it too obtrusive or annoying - that said I wish Twitter were doing it themselves because then I'd mind less. - Nation Hahn

in a related question... how do you feel about a service like @breakingnewson inserting ads with magpie ... let's face it, it would be better then the tweet-a-thon begging they seem to do... an they are more a service then a person tweeting - Bastard Operator From FF

Ancient Internet history (1978)--THE 1st email spam (http://www.templetons.com/brad...) "ON 2 MAY 78 DIGITAL EQUIPMENT CORPORATION (DEC) SENT OUT AN ARPANET MESSAGE ADVERTISING THEIR NEW COMPUTER SYSTEMS. THIS WAS A FLAGRANT VIOLATION OF THE USE OF ARPANET AS THE NETWORK IS TO BE USED FOR OFFICIAL U.S. GOVERNMENT BUSINESS ONLY. APPROPRIATE ACTION IS BEING TAKEN TO PRECLUDE ITS OCCURRENCE AGAIN. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION. MAJOR RAYMOND CZAHOR, CHIEF, ARPANET MANAGEMENT BRANCH, DCA" - Micah Wittman

Sorry, but I'm posting that link again (http://www.templetons.com/brad...) it's packed with interesting discussion. Another teaser quote (from RMS---YES Richard M. Stallman, that 'RMS') "Well, Geoff forwarded me a copy of the DEC message, and I eat my words. I sure would have minded it! Nobody should be allowed to send a message with a header that long, no matter what it is about." - Micah Wittman

Thanks, Robert for starting the discussion. These are very intersting views, positive and negative. Thank you all for the feedback. We've silently introduced a number of changes to Magpie yesterday to give tweeps more control over their magpie-tweets. You can now hand-select ads, put up your own disclaimer (other than #magpie) and control the tweet/ad-ratio better. I'm looking forward to reading your blog post and to getting more feedback in the comments. Thanks again. (I'm the CEO of Magpie & Friends Ltd.) - Jan Schulz-Hofen

TechCrunch just wrote about this issue here: http://www.techcrunch.com/2008... called it "PayPerPost for Twitter." - Robert Scoble

As of now, i haven't found Magpie to be that intrusive, probably because not many people I follow have subscribed for the service or there have been very few ads from Magpie. I might unfollow them if the ads starts becoming too frequent. I think the right way for Magpie to go is enabling only handpicked ads which users can share with their friends like any other info they want to share. However, if the same service was introduced by Twitter, I wouldn't mind at all. - Devakishor

@Jan It's great to see you here on FriendFeed joining in on this discussion. I've actually been very impressed with your service so far and the amount of consideration you've put into listening to users' feedback and adapting the service. As others have mentioned, I don't see serving ads in Twitter being much different than serving them in a blog. However, I do love the addition of your two latest features, as I think that puts even more control into the hands of the users, which is what we're all after. - Mike Templeton

@miketempleton thanks for your feedback. you one of the folks who mentioned that feature earlier on uservoice. it took us some time to implement, now let's see who people will like it. - Jan Schulz-Hofen

I'm thinking of adding a "Magpie kill switch" to TweetDeck so these tweets don't even get shown. - Iain Dodsworth

It's simple! If I see magpie in my stream, I will unfollow. - netvista

lain, you should just make a filter by keyword - tweets with specified keywords in the stream don't show - Jesse Stay from twhirl

As many people as I know who are having a hard time right now - or who would make a nice bit of change for doing, essentially, nothing - very few of them are actually desperate enough to do it. I'd love to have an extra $1700 a month, and I could easily double my follow count by following bots. Yet I'd never do this, not for 10x that. And I'm dumbfounded as to why anyone would want to monetize their personal conversations. "Brought to you by Carl's Jr." - Tinu Abayomi-Paul

Robert, I've never had more comments on a post (or more hits) than I did on my anti-magpie post. http://tinyurl.com/5hzkvg - it's still getting hits and comments. Honestly? I don't think it's viable. - Lucretia Pruitt

Its interesting to see how many out there are trying to monetize Twitter 'externally'. This is one but then there is also Tapulous with Tweetsville on the iphone - I paid $4 to them :) - Mrinal Desai

+1 for no ads by followers. I'm un-subscribing anyone who wants to monetize their twitter feed. There is already too much noise on twitter. If you think your content is monetizable, write a blog for Pete's sake! - Shivanand Velmurugan

I don't have a problem with people wanting to monetize their twitter accounts. I don't have a problem with selling ads in the network. My problem is that even if Magpie alternates 1 ad per 5 tweets, what if I follow 5 twits with Magpie. How often am I going to see an ad? The idea is pretty smart actually, but I think it needs a lot of work yet. - Jason Brett

It definitely bugs me!: http://thefutureofads.com/2008... Wrong medium, poorly formatted message, and it's (in most cases) paying people for things that they shouldn't be paid for (conversations with friends). If everyone was just broadcasting on Twitter, it would be a different story, but ads have no place in conversation (as seen by the anti-advertising backlash on forums) so they have no place on Twitter either, at least in this format. - Cory OBrien

PayPerPost destroyed blog valuations without adequate warning. Before loosing a Twitter account you spend time building it's best to take a wait and see approach. They are paying you because of your accounts value - will they reimburse you in the event the account is terminated? Just a thought. - Robert MacEwan

Magpie success will depend on the creative of the 'advert' - a cuckold tweet is likely to induce 'interesting' relationships. - David Bausola

How is paid content different from any other advertising such as Adwords? Part of the visible site includes non-paid content, and some displays paid content. As long as they are accurately labeled, the reader can make an informed decision. - Mike Chelen

Fast Company

The music industry should embrace unauthorized file sharing as a form of free marketing. - http://www.fastcompany.com/big-ide...

November 21, 2008 from Fast Company - Comment - Like - Share

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Finally. - sofiagk

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When I tried to take an unauthorized copy of Fast Company from the store I was arrested. Hardly seems fair given all the free marketing that would have given them :-) - Todd Hoff

Todd: free version of fast company is on the web. :-) - Robert Scoble

I already subscribe thanks. That's was the condition the judge put on me to stay out of the slammer :-) - Todd Hoff

Check out this really good piece of research http://www.ic.gc.ca/epic... which found that "music downloads have a positive effect on music purchases among Canadian downloaders" - sofiagk

This point of view is so 1999. You mean noone's gotten the message, already? - Helen Sventitsky

Noone that makes government policy got the message. A somewhat significant detail. - sofiagk

the music industry needs to vanish to hell with embracing new tech. bands could go creative commons, work with PR firms instead, and just do what they do to make money now - tour. - Sociosophy Reviews from twhirl

Kevin Fox

What if Google bought GM? They have a demonstrated interest in bringing electric cars to market, and they run an efficient ship. $1.8B? Pfh!

November 20, 2008 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

impossible,because the relation is too weak - 阿石 from IM

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Would they rename it Google Motors? - Dan Hsiao from IM

that is a biggg joke,o(∩_∩)o... - 阿石 from IM

I was thinking General Moogle. Or Googley Moogley, to keep the initials. - Kevin Fox

1.8B would be cheap, except that it comes with $30B of debt http://finance.yahoo.com/q... - Private Sanjeev

Would that mean we Googlers could unionize? I can't wait for my first strike! - Roshan Vyas

Be kind of handy - Google Search "my car, mall parking lot" ... make it easier to find it, maybe? - Sociosophy Reviews from twhirl

Like the houses in Detroit that cost $1 if you bring them up to code, I suspect that GM is not a deal at $1.8B. They have been trying to integrate more technology, though, and it would be awesome if google made sure that cars of the future were done right. - Clare Dibble

Kevin Fox

2004 --> 2008 political deltas - http://www.dailykos.com/storyon...

November 5, 2008 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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I like this comment: "The people in the rural part of TN are like a flock of chickens that vote for Colonel Sanders. They have no idea that the very people that chop their heads off are the ones they vote for." - Todd Hoff

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The comments have some very intersing points up top... - Sociosophy Reviews from twhirl

Wow - look at how blue Indiana is! - Robert Felty

what's kind of wild is how even the blue west coast states got even bluer. if the republicans don't get their shit together, they'll lose the west for an entire generation. - Victor Ganata

Are the maps shown in the comments real? Interesting comparisons. - Alejandro

It's hard for me to see what the GOP was offering those Highland areas that went even redder, other than a white candidate. - Keith Pelczarski

I dunno, maybe there are a bunch of billionaires living incognito in Appalachia? - Victor Ganata

mmmm, first map -- do I understand correct that Katrina victims wanted more GWB experience? - A.T.

Such a misleading map. All it shows is that the majority of the country moved a little towards the left and voted Obama. Look at a true red/blue map and you'll see the majority of the country is still red. You can spin this however you want, but looking at the popular vote, this is still a divided country. - Blake

Nobody said it wasn't a divided country, Blake. I'm sorry you think the map is trying to say otherwise. The title of the post and the legend on the maps clearly state that they display the *movement* from 2004 to 2008, rather than a straight-up 2008 snapshot. - Kevin Fox

justine

TOMATO!!

November 11, 2008 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

tomahto. - Sociosophy Reviews from twhirl

Robert Scoble

@jakks: your boss is worried about you stealing corporate data via Twitter? Damn, wait until he meets a USB Key with a gig of memory or so.

November 10, 2008 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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He tweeted this article which talked about this: http://devcentral.f5.com/weblogs... - Robert Scoble

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Seems like people who know nothing about technology can never get too paranoid. - Amit Morson

it should have been titled "Corporate Paranoia and Web2.0" - Chris Rogers

For some industries, it's a real threat that they have to treat the same with all. - Patricia

that's ok, I just had to explain why keeping an inventory of all portable equipment ON our extranet is a bad thing(tm) >.< - alphaxion

Patricia: Which industries, how can Twitter post a threat that doesn't exist with email or blogs? - Amit Morson

a guy in my firehall doesnt give out his email cuz he thinks he will get a virus in his computer - johnpiercy

The only _new_ threat Twitter posts is how the information is distributed, but it's a greater threat only if you have a substantial number of followers. - Amit Morson

I recently interviewed at a place that wouldn't allow it's employees to talk to the media, which the them included blogging, commenting on blogs, using twitter, facebook, etc.. (http://earlyreiser.net/content...) - Bastard Operator From FF

The insurance industry is very, very cautious about any information leaking off a computer to the point that "locked" desktop tools like Kidaro exist. They can't afford to have any potential leaks, period. The same with finance, other markets. I'm not surprised to read these things. Twitter can probably seem as a threat because it allows information to be broadcast out. - Patricia

@sean I don't ever give my personal details to my full time work beyond my home phone number. Unless I'm getting paid for the interruption, they get no help from me. - alphaxion

i (@jakks) am a she... it's cool though☺ do you have any experience with socialcast? - Jaica Kinsman

I agree with @Amit in that due to the fact that Twitter is a broadcast medium it could be easier for an employee to inadvertently pass information to the public. Especially if they have their Twitter posts echoed on FF. - Kenton

ironically, FF is not blocked. am trying to make sense of the logic. - Jaica Kinsman

@johnpiercy Understanding risk _even when_ a domain of complex systems are well understood is hard, not intuitive. For instance I didn't know til 2 minutes ago that a Farmer's risk of death (occupational hazard-wise) is higher than that of a Firefighter (at least according to this study: http://www.laurelvfd.org/Firefig... ) - Micah Wittman from twhirl

140 characters or less certainly puts a limit on the scope of exposure. - Jon Price

@alphaxion that's why I didn't take the job... - Bastard Operator From FF

@Jon it depends ... at an insurance company you could leak out something like "XXX has terminal cancer" where XXX is some major politician or public figure and have major issues - Bastard Operator From FF

Reading that devcentral.f5 article, I come off somehow feeling like I just got trolled. - Chris, Taskerrific Guy

You know, I've found that the F5 Bloggers really, really like spreading FUD. - ax0n

@michah Interesting stats michah : http://www.laurelvfd.org/Firefig... )However I would argue that firefighters , dont die on the job the current trend is dieing from cancer "According to the International Association of Firefighters, more union firefighters died of cancer in 2007 than from heart attacks or fire-related injuries combined. Nationally, there were 38 union... more... - johnpiercy from twhirl

sorry @robertscoble for messingup your thread - johnpiercy from twhirl

I actually blogged a response to "twitter security threat" the day it was posted. http://tinyurl.com/5dlwfv - ax0n

@ax0n "Data Loss Prevention suites, Network Access Control, filtering web proxies and other technological solutions are only masking the problem while making it harder for your employees to work efficiently." Thank you for pointing me to your article. I couldn't agree with you more. - Jaica Kinsman

I love any company which worries about the loss of company information through electronic means but never looks after the information that leaves every company at the end of each day, only to return the next morning - the employee. - Ian D. Nock

I dealt with NAC during a windows 2008 course earlier this year. It's actually very interesting from a networking point of view in the way you can quarantine systems that aren't meeting your minimum requirements while on the same LAN. Of course, it's down to how strict you want to be but I would implement NAC on my network and limit it to requiring all network communications in IPSec. - alphaxion

Also, my ethos regards security on any network I run is that your biggest threat comes from those already on your network. This is where auditing and logs in combination with laying down the law of the company rule supreme rather than overly restrictive security policies. Inform staff they will be held personally accountable for data leaks and list what you consider a data leak. The balance then becomes providing enough security so that those who shouldn't be there can't run amock yet keeping useability. - alphaxion

@johnpiercy Well, I don't think @scobleizer minds rollicking streams/threads, he said on the election night he was visually scanning 3,600 RealTime FF Friends comfortably. Nevertheless your consideration toward others in the community is welcome and makes this a great place in which to participate. Anyway, thanks for fire-related injuries info - great point. - Micah Wittman

Great, Robert, you got me thinking - here's a how-to on stealing corporate data... http://enrique-gutierrez.com/2008... - Sociosophy Reviews from twhirl

you've forgotten things like IM clients, RDP connections with drive mapping, corporate externally facing HTTP servers where you can dump a few files on for transfer on the sly, VNC with file transfer, IRC with DCC, VPN connections, FTP servers running on tcp port 80 or 445 (won't work if they use DPI and IDS). - alphaxion

The point i made in my response to the article is that breach is a human problem, and any way a human can communicate or store data is a potential avenue of breach. Forget your RDP, DVD-Rs and secret encrypted tunnels. Think about printed documents, facts people remember in their head, and things of that nature. The same thing goes for "Twitter Terrorism" and the FUD about new communications technology being used by "the enemy". CB Radios or smoke signals might be the next terrorist threat! - ax0n

In short: Train and discipline employees instead of taking the defense after a breach. Hunt down and stop terrorists rather than monitoring for the same things they were doing two years ago. - ax0n

Yup, even something as simple as storing customer contacts on personal mobiles. Of course, the biggest security risk is your IT department. We control the gateways, the givers and takers of access. I knew one guy who got shafted by the company he worked for so in a fit of revenge he stole a copy of the CRM database and sold it onto their leading competitor. Treat employees as humans and afford them some trust. - alphaxion

@ax0n Train and discipline employees......Couldn't agree more! - Sheila Bailey

Dave Winer

Prop 8 - http://www.scripting.com/stories...

November 5, 2008 from Scripting News - Comment - Like - Share

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"if you have kids you probably should be married, but if you don't who cares what you call your relationship" - Many people. This prop just paves the way for disingenuous discrimination against gay couples. Arkansas for example have just limited adoption/fostering to "married" couples, which is nothing more than a politically-correct way of preventing gay people from adopting - Andrew

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Andrew has hit it on the head. This why using terms like "civil unions" are not the same. We know from history that 'separate but equal' doesn't work. There are just too many laws on the books that use the term 'marriage' - calling it anything else opens the door to discrimination. - Louis Trapani from twhirl

I'm down with the idea of calling marriage "marriage" - 4/5 of the time the definition isn't as much "union" as it is "FAIL" anyway. Let's invent a new legal term to identify the union between two adults... like "unionage". Let the Fundies keep their word ;) - Sociosophy Reviews from twhirl

People for prop 8 are either: secretly gay, or they need a law to keep their marriage together </snark> - anna sauce

+1 Sociosophy - LJF Wolffe

@anna awesomesauce - a lot of the pro-prop8 douchebags are fundamentalist whackos, aggies from the armpit civilized California ignores, or african americans. Sucks, but the numbers show a staggering %age of Yes on 8 in the AfrAmer demographic (70% yes - 30% no) - Enrique Gutierrez from twhirl

I think most people who voted against Prop 8 are scared of the strangeness of the idea. - Dave Winer

Anyone who supported Proposition 8 should see how they feel about it after reading it back to themselves, but substituting "same sex marriages" with "inter racial marriages". - Mat

I think most people who'd vote yes don't understand the discrimination that it'll cause, or how backwards the whole concept of banning gay marriage is. - Will Higgins™

I share your libertarian outlook Dave (I'm no purist, but generally orient that way). More freedoms, not fewer. - Hutch Carpenter

Homosexuality is one of the last bastions of accepted and institutionalized prejudice. We are at the equivalent of the Jim Crow era. People should look deeply into their hearts and consider deeply with their minds regarding this issue, not their amygdala. - Neal Jansons

How come I don't see anyone supporting it here on FriendFeed? I'm not against or pro, in fact I'm not american. But I'm wondering why I don't see the other arguments here. Statistically, I should have met at least someone with another opinion. And please, don't tell me here on FriendFeed we're smarter and that kind of short answers. Because we ARE NOT. - directeur from NoiseRiver

I don't think it is necessarily homophobic or discriminatory to highlight that "marriage" has certain historical and religious connotations that make it inappropriate to alter or redefine. - Robin Cannon from Alert Thingy

If the religionists insist on keeping their meaning of "marriage" as a religious concept, then we should insist that the government get out of the "marriage" business. To prevent state tampering with religion, the word "marriage" should be removed from all laws and regulations and replaced with something non-sectarian like "civil union." Let the religionists keep their word but let same-sex couples have the benefit of legally supported civil partnerships. - Bob Wyman

Bob Wyman: Well put! - I just blogged pretty much the same exact point of view... tossed in a few nuggets even the supporters of Prop 8 can get behind. Wonder what it would take to make it a reality though - Enrique Gutierrez from twhirl

@Bob's is the opinion I have come around to, after years of supporting "marriage" for homosexuals. I think the most practical goal is to have the states *not* license and perform "marriages" for homosexual *and* heterosexual couples. Individual churches can perform "marriages" for whomever they want, but in the eyes of civil law, everyone is entitled to a "civil union" and nothing else. - Chester

@Bob - that's spot on. It might actually work, too. Who cares what religions think about marriage, so long as individuals rights aren't being impinged upon. - Will Higgins™

Bigotry, pure and simple. If there's no difference, then strike the word for all. If there was no difference in drinking fountains, why was it bad to have a separate one based on skin color? - Cole Jolley

@Robin: tell yourself whatever you want, but it's still bigotry. Appeals to tradition and religion are exactly what we are challenging...that a few people's religion and traditions should not dictate terms for everyone. People keep saying "oh, it's about tradition", but ask WHO'S traditions, and the why of those traditions and it always comes to the same ethnocentric, religiocentric ideas. Newsflash...there are more cultures than Western Civilization, other religions than the Abrahamic big three. - Neal Jansons

What is it about homosexuality that unifies the oppressed and empowered alike? - James Burgos

What is disturbing to me is that, at its core, gay marriage is a separation of church and state issue but no one seems to approach it from that angle. The simple truth of the issue is that a group of American citizen's are being denied the rights everyone else has due solely to the religious opinions of another group of people. Is there a secular argument against gay marriage that I am missing? - Jeff Jones

Enrique Gutierrez

For all you bloggers out there who get writer's block - try http://unbloq.me - recently re-released; take it from me - it works & its awsum

October 29, 2008 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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for christ's sake - i just liked 2 other things attemtping to like this one. heh... yes, I like my own stuff. check out unbloq.me, people! it's awesomely handy - Sociosophy Reviews from twhirl

Chris Messina

Reader Poll: Is OpenID Too Confusing? - http://lifehacker.com/5064261...

October 20, 2008 from Mento - Comment - Like - Share

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"Truth be told, while the OpenID concept is very exciting, adoption has been disappointing—and it's most likely due to the usability problems surrounding it." - Chris Messina from Mento

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As a web dev / software making monkey - it's great, but not feasible for public adoption. the process is too cumbersome to adapt to - Sociosophy Reviews from twhirl

Not for me, but I know it's confusing for many people. - Hassan Ibraheem

At least we're increasingly aware of the problems and now highly motivated to address them! I'm sure email and instant messaging went through similar hurdles. - Chris Messina

Well, I want to use it, and have no idea how...so...yeah ;) - Andru Edwards

Until the big players (Yahoo, MSN, AOL) don't *really* embrace it, it'll be an uphill battle, IMHO - Jorge Escobar

Robert Scoble

New features bring new users. Damn, FriendFeed's real time feed is RACING right now. It's amazing to watch. I have it on Firefox sidebar.

October 16, 2008 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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How do you add it as a sidebar? I'll keep the realtime window up until you respond :) - Patrick Lightbody

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Patrick, to add FriendFeed onto your Firefox sidebar, check this out: http://www.allanjosephbatac.com/blog... - Robert Scoble

Rock - thanks :) - Patrick Lightbody

It's a lot to follow! Is it worth it? - Steve Rubel

considering you are following 14 million people i am not surprised! :) - Zee.

Ta for that. - John Craft

And to prevent (too much) distraction, you might like your sidebar on the right side instead http://mozillalinks.org/wp... - Christopher Galtenberg

Embarrassing question Christopher - my hard drive does not show a userchrome.css file at all. Zip, zero, nada. Should I create one with these lines in it? - John Craft

There should be a userChrome-example.css that you can rename to userChrome.css (which is also a nice tip for finding the right folder) - I had the exact same question, initially JC - Christopher Galtenberg

That I have. Will do - thanks. - John Craft

FF in the sidebar + the new iGoogle FTW - Sociosophy Reviews from twhirl

They should have made it easy like K-Meleon did and just stick it under the Edit menu and not give an "example" file that needs to be renamed. - April Russo (app103)

Sort of like... twhirl? - Aram Zucker-Scharff from twhirl

Robert Scoble

Looking for new "tech geeks" to follow? Watch this feed: http://friendfeed.com/scoblei...

September 21, 2008 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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you answered my twitter without answering it, :-) Asked if you were going to share that list of more signal to noise tech news bloggers - Sean Scott from Alert Thingy

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Sean: well, that's my "Like" feed. So it's a bit more than just tech news, but, yes, I really try to only put stuff on there that has some signal. - Robert Scoble

Thank God for Rebecca--you were nearly vagina free! - jeneane sessum

I try to be a tech geek...@eddiegrey and @appruv - Eddie Sherman

Whoops sorry robert - i see some woman - just had to scroll through three pages. makes sure you have corvida and cyndy and sarah and... - jeneane sessum

Wait! Better yet, look here! http://tinyurl.com/twitter... :-) Follow me ... no me ... and Me and Me and MEMEME!!! Where are we going with all this, really? - michael silverton

Robert if you are following Douglas Karr.. Awesome! If not you should: www.marketingtechblog.com.. Awesome tweets and posts. - Kyle Lacy

Most excellent! @Michael Silverton - being heard is why we share... no one listening? Then we're just taking mental notes to review later o.O which can be replaced with a notepad. - Sociosophy Reviews from twhirl

I'm here for the cats. - jeneane sessum

Jeneane: if there's a woman who is putting good tech news into FriendFeed, I definitely want to know about her. I don't have enough. - Robert Scoble

Had a look at www.marketingtechblog.com. It's got some good content. - Jay Claringbold

Robert - checkout this link - http://www.dipity.com/user... - I added it as a source on Dipity ( hope it does not crash their server... ). interesting timeline view of FF streams - SnakeDoc

Mona Nomura

What makes you subscribe to people? Me? I have e-mail notifications turned off. If I interact with you a lot and the bubble next to your name shows I'm not subscribed to you, I will subscribe back. What is your criteria?”

September 21, 2008 - Comment - Like - Share

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interesting posts, similar interests - R. Ferguson

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I do the same as you Mona. - Internet's Tad

I have email notifications turned on. If you subscribe to me, I'll subscribe to you 99% of the time. The only people that I don't subscribe to are the 100% non-english posters. I also subscribe to a lot of friends of friends, particularly if they say something witty or post a song that I like. - Alex Scoble

I follow everyone who follows me (unless you look spammy, and that's just 1 so far). I also check the like compatibility checker and subscribe to those that have enjoyed the same content as me. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

I subscribe to whoever subscribes to me and anyone I see making an interesting or funny comment on feeds of people I already interact with regularly. - Trish R

I have email notifications disabled, too. I subscribe to people who have common interests or appear to post interesting things or my friends seem to like. I have the "friend of" thing disabled, too. But much like Twitter I can't always subscribe back to everyone or my signal/noise ratio gets out of control. - Jennifer Leggio

If you say something funny, if you subscribe to me and I see your feed has interesting things in it, or if I end up talking to you a lot around the FF block or if you post something awesome - Lindsey is Fierce!

I do the same as Ruth commented; I don't use lists since the signal/noice of the people I follow is manageable without the need to categorize the followers - imabonehead

I subscribe to people I find interesting and those that follow me for the most part - David Ward

Interesting posts, mostly. Here, I don't care about music updates (Pandora, Last.fm, etc.) and I'm not a fan of blogs (if I care, I'll sub to your RSS separately). I look for cool FF shares and Tweets that have content, not just @whoever responses. I'm very picky, actually. - Rochelle

Same as Trish and Lindsey. - Carmen

So how do you guys 'group', if you do use them. Me? I have one group for rooms and everyone else is lumped into my home feed. You? - Mona Nomura

Interesting posts for me, posts that I like and I follow back who subscribes to me. If I reckon they're spammers, I unsubscribe. I don't use groups, I have all in my home feed, I like to see people all together. - Niki Costantini

I'm looking for interaction and interest. I'll generally subscribe and have a Front Page list that I maintain and groom. I add most new "friends" there and watch for interactions and interest... and it goes both ways - I'm sure. - Ken Stewart | ChangeForge

Same here, everyone is in my home feed, not separated. I would forget to check if I separated them out. - Trish R

I have a politics room, but I have yet to use it. I pretty much just use the main feed as well. I guess I read fast enough that the noise doesn't bother me. - Alex Scoble

I subscribe to people that subscribe to me or people that have interests like me. Also I get email notifications for anyone who adds me, cause otherwise it would be hard to stay on top of it. Also if someone does a funny, cool or some other type of post that gets my attention then I'll subscribe to you. When I first joined friendfeed I had no friends here to add except the A-listers. Now I have lots of friends. - Colide81 (James)

(1) Always anyone I "like" or comment to (2) Sometimes those that "like" or comment to me (3) Always people I interact with (4) Checking my friends' list and see if anyone's comments/posts interest me (5) Sometimes if they subscribe to me I may subscribe back (6) Recommendations from friends - Far

I actually only use one list, for people I follow that post in a foreign language. I like some of the photography, so I go through and like items in that list. Everything else (except for one occasionally NSFW room) gets put into the home feed. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

I'm so picky about who I sub to that I don't need separate groups/lists. My main feed isn't overwhelming since I don't have that many people to begin with! - Rochelle

I still use the email notifications. I check out the person's stream from there and see if they are actually active and whether or not they post interesting material. - Kevin Bondelli

The non-English people who I'm subscribed to are in a special list till the problem can be solved to translate things better. That's what I do. - Colide81 (James)

Anyone else care to share how you 'group' and / or subscribe? :) - Mona Nomura

I also tend to be a reciprocal subscriber. As to new ones, I look for people that are posting interesting things, who make insightful comments, who have similar interests, etc. I do loads of scanning and don't worry about what I miss when I'm not around. So my huge amount of subscriptions isn't overwhelming for me. And I use the hide button for stuff that just doesn't interest me much. -

It's a little system I call being random - James Tenniswood

I described my approach in another thread here: http://friendfeed.com/e... - Akiva Moskovitz

I subscribe to those who I can see enjoy the Internet and share their findings with others. - Sociosophy Reviews from twhirl

I do a lot like many FFers by subscribing to people who share interesting, funny or compelling content. I leave email notifications on and stay mainly in the home feed. Don't get to rooms that much as my time is short. Enjoying the organic approach. - Larry Kless

I am starting to categorize into three groups: favorites, new folk b/c I want to see if we do in fact have common interests and those I can ID as African Americans b/c I want to get a sense of how minorities are utilizing social media for an article I plan to do for the paper. however I leave 99% in the home feed at this point. I thought about creating a pollitical group but most of those that I discuss politics with also discuss other topics. - R. Ferguson

Also, if someone is just using FF as a dumping ground for twitter and their RSS feed and never participates, I usually don't subscribe. That's what I consider "noise," not people commenting and posting a lot. - Trish R

forgot I created a photography list and a PR/Media list - R. Ferguson

I agree with you Trish, which reminds me I think I need to cut some people off my main feed. Maybe move them to another special list or cut them altogether. - Colide81 (James)

I subscribe to virtually anyone whose content I comment on or like... I rarely unsubscribe. - Jeremy Toeman

If someone isn't active, I won't subscribe. In the beginning, I was of the mentality that if you subscribe to me, I'll subscribe back. Yesterday, I dropped 100 of my subscriptions. I dropped users who were not active & who weren't participating on FF. If your feed simply aggregates your Twitter feed, I dropped them. I want to be subscribed to people who are active and have some interest for me. - Mark Wilson

Just whoever posts interesting or informative stuff. I've unsubscribed from people when they've posted most personal stuff that isn't even interesting before. Even if they don't update often, as long as it is the least bit interesting I'll stay subscribed. - Dean Clark

I sort of wish I knew who unsubscribed from me just cause I'd want to know why did they unsubscribe. - Colide81 (James)

@Ruth how do you identify African American ffer? Is it only by profie picture and statements like " as a Black Man, I" or do you use more stuble clues. I'm not questioning your sensitivity or anything. Just wondering. - Robert Hafer

I have email notifications turned on but if I don't recognize the name (ie, it's someone I've interacted with before) I archive them just in case i need to find it later (maybe the new beta will make that easier). In general I don't subscribe unless you said something REALLY interesting or I have interacted with you enough to know who you are when I see your name. That instantly weeds out the people who don't really participate. Nothing personal, it's all about the interaction. - Her Lindsay-ness

Robert those with photos primarily...LOL - R. Ferguson

Pretty simple really if I see a lot of interesting posts in their feed then I subscribe. I use the Compatibility site to find who matches my likes, etc. the most and subscribe to them. If you have lots of photography-related content then I'll be there like a shot. :-D And lots of pictures helps, not really interested in a constant stream of text, need some images to break it all up. - Kol Tregaskes

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