I thought it was weird - as in "unreal" - "crazy" - "over the top" - "out of the blue". Gotta say, I personally prefer the subtle, smouldering intensity of Sarah - but, hey! different strokes for different folks. :)
- monica28
To me, Veronica was like a loose cannon, yeah, you could say "all fire", but it's not always the best route to go. She does not seem to have a "built-in self-reflective mechanism" that stops her, and since the ever-present choir in the background celebrates her every curse and bluster, there's no outside voice, either, that tells her to take it down a notch or two. In the best circumstances, it makes her lovable and endearing, but in the worst, it's "crazy".
- monica28
@ems Barely keeping my eyes open, and a long day of work ahead of me... Lurking here is my only little ray of sunshine right now. :) How are you?
- monica28
@linda grazie mille for your translation last night
- ems - fra
A girl on mari's youtube posted a short summary of the Visto article in 9 key points.. don't know if you already want these or if you'd rather wait on the full article?
- Meryn - Belgium
@meryn we want to know now i think
- Dariasn
from Android
1: il loro sogno non è quello di una coppia gay lesbica quello non c'è mai stato
- Meryn - Belgium
2: il 29 è stata una data importante perchè sennò si sarebbero PERSE
- Meryn - Belgium
3: Sarah e Veronica fino al 29 luglio non si sono quasi mai viste e sentite e sarah è stata ambigua sui giornali , veronica ha sofferto e s'è rifugiata nelle amiche perchè non sapeva che per sarah era tutto apposto
- Meryn - Belgium
4: veronica ha avuto paura che tutto fosse un'illusione e che lei facesse scena
- Meryn - Belgium
5: veniamo alle cose belle: il 29 ha ritrovato gli occhi di sarah, fino quando non muore sarah sarà sempre nella sua vita però non intaccherà mai la sua vita privata
- Meryn - Belgium
6: Isola: è un concetto che va oltre il materiale ma è una cosa privata che è tra loro due, punto
- Meryn - Belgium
7: gli dispiace che molte lesbiche siano rinate grazie a loro perche nessuna delle due lo è
- Meryn - Belgium
8: la casa: sarebbe bello se vivessero insieme dice veronica ma il problema è lei che si adatta poco ai cambi di città comunque cementeranno il rapporto
- Meryn - Belgium
9: fa capire la scelta di andare a lindos di sarah gli sia poco piaciuta però e rido non gliene frega nulla
- Meryn - Belgium
That's about it.. not Vero's exact words, just someone's summary, so don't quote her on this yet ;)
- Meryn - Belgium
Thanks meryn. Don't know what to think...
- Dariasn
from Android
But if Vero thought that Sarah was ambiguous in magazines, she should have been overjoyed that Sarah has been so open recently? What am I missing here?
- monica28
@Linda it's just a summary from someone at canale di mari youtube
- Meryn - Belgium
@Karo but that store where I got my busticket the previous time we were there, they should have it!
- Meryn - Belgium
@meryn in milano i'll get it for sure but i'm in venezia at the station right now and they don't have it... :-(
- Karo AUT
from iPhone
@Karo aahhh, okay, bit more patience then ;) oops, didn't read that you said hi from Venezia ;)
- Meryn - Belgium
@dariasn je ne sais plus qui/que croire Sarah ou Veronica ou les 2?
- ems - fra
1 their dream is not to be a lesbian couple, it's never been 2 the 29 it's has been an important date because otherwise they will miss out 3 sarah and veronica, until the 29, didn't meet or called and sarah has been ambiguous on interviews,. veronica suffered a lot and she found a help in her friends *ciardini I guess* because she didn't know that for Sarah everything was ok
- Linda (ITA)
@meryn but i read your summary and i hope that linda is gonna translate it soon ;-)))
- Karo AUT
from iPhone
4 veronica got scared that everything was an illusion and that Sarah was just acting
- Linda (ITA)
5 but on 29 she found sarah's eyes again, so she will be always in her life until she will die but sarah will never make a dent in her private life
- Linda (ITA)
6 the island is not a material concept, it's something private between them
- Linda (ITA)
sarah will never make a dent in her private life?? what does that mean?
- moni - Slo
@moni i'm sad because I don't know who or what believe
- ems - fra
sarah will never damage her private life, moni
- Linda (ITA)
so they didn't talk that much before Fiesta del Sogno
- moni - Slo
7 she is sorry that many lesbians found a courage thanks to them because they both are not lesbian
- Linda (ITA)
I say lesbian, you say patata. Semantics!
- monica28
I'm gonna wait till the full article is out because some of these points don't make sense with what they've said previously (especially on 7, Vero in previous articles said she was happy that many girls found the courage thanks to them)
- Meryn - Belgium
8 about the home, it would be beautiful if they will live together, but the problem is that she *i don't know if it means sarah or veronica* has not the attitude to move in different cities. anyways they will firm up their relationship
- Linda (ITA)
Veronica seems angry cons Sarah but you're right Meryn we have to wait for the full article
- ems - fra
But when exactly has Sarah been ambiguous about wanting to be with Vero? She's been so open lately. I don't believe they're on the same page yet, because I do believe Sarah wants much more. Maybe it'll be better when they live together, not seeing each other sucks.
- monica28
And this "veronica suffered a lot and she found a help in her friends *ciardini I guess* (cit. Linda)" probably didn't help, either. Sorry, after yesterday my opinion of many of them has changed dramatically.
- monica28
@monica lately yes.. but Vero was talking about the period before the 29th when she said that Sarah was ambigious in articles...
- Meryn - Belgium
guys advise me when someone publishes the full article. I'm going to sleep a bit..I keep my fb account open, so I will heard the sound..
- Linda (ITA)
@brooke but she was talking about the present and not the past when she said that they are talking...
- Karo AUT
from iPhone
@Brooke I think after the 29th they've restarted everything, before it was lots of work etc., maybe losing sight of each other. Actually Sarah said in an interview that she did suffer because of the distance (was it TuttoIn?) - whereas Vero never said anything even remotely like this, at least not publicly. Until now.
- monica28
I don't like this sentence "about sarah's holiday in Greece, she didn't like this choice but honestly she didn't care about that" because it gives the impression that they don't so close
- ems - fra
I'm talking about that vero said in fb yesterday that they are talking.
- Karo AUT
from iPhone
@ems But why wouldn't she "like this choice" anyway? If they are just friends, why would she not like the choice? Because Sarah's ex was there as well? Seems a bit contradictory.
- monica28
@monica maybe she can be kept everything inside and now she has exploded. But i don't know
- ems - fra
@monica I don't know about the choice. I hope with the full article it will be more clear
- ems - fra
Anyway, i like the number 7. Nice for us
- Dariasn
from Android
@ems Sarah was adamant in her Visto interview last week that Vero knew about the vacation, she said (without being asked!) "Veronica knew where I was going and with which people. And she also knew that she has virtually been with me: in my heart, in my head, in my soul.” Why would they even talk about a vacation this way if they are "just friends". Eh, we still get only fragments and snapshots, never the big picture.
- monica28
@monica that is why I don't know who is telling the truth Sarah or Veronica or anyone or both. I'm very very confuse
- ems - fra
@Brooke Don't think it didn't mean a thing, but it seems she won't come out the way Sarah has (as loving another woman, or "women"). Vero doesn't seem to be there yet - except when she feels safe and can speak in code. But like Meryn said, let's wait for the complete article.... Maybe we'll be pleasantly surprised.
- monica28
I'm just gonna stay quiet on this couse i honestly don't get both anymore.....a lot of missunderstandings all the time
- moni - Slo
My first resumé, based on these few sentences and Vero's behaviour on FB last night - it's not as clear-cut as she would have us believe. There are too many contradictions for my taste. Don't even think she or they are deliberately misleading us. It's a she said-she said kind of situation, miscommunication, hurt feelings, suffering even, hard to say "this one's right and that one's wrong".
- monica28
We'll see. But there was definitely a crisis which they seem to have weathered. Thank the heavens for Festa.
- monica28
@monica PUNTO yes thank god for FIESTA
- moni - Slo
My personal opinion right now is that il sogno only existed in the house but outside? Nope...
- Karo AUT
from iPhone
@Karo kinda have the same feeling....they hardly ever saw each other outside the house
- moni - Slo
@moni yeah,it could be but i think that too many things were going on between them the last month... @ems yeah,because most of the fans are mad abou them because they finally tell the truth: that the are not together...
- Karo AUT
from iPhone
@ems as I said they'll regret not taking the chance to experiance this LOVE
- moni - Slo
In all cases they were playing well when they were together before the 29th
- ems - fra
@ems mybe we just need to cool down a bit..think we all need a BREAK
- moni - Slo
@ems before? I ve miss so much this summer
- Dariasn
from Android
I do believe that Il Sogno has existed. It's just that everyone projects different things onto that expression. Sogno for us might not be Sogno for them, or others. Don't think they were acting, how could they when they hardly saw each other? Doesn't mean that the feelings weren't there. Like Sarah said, "being physically together is not indispensable to be close."
- monica28
She also said, "We must to be more present, we must make much more time for us. I would like that we have a normal life, as a normal couple." Spending time with each other, that's probably the key right now.
- monica28
There is no absolute and perfect "Truth" here - only time will tell what's gonna happen. Even things of the past can be interpreted in different ways, all equally valid, because how can you be objective when it's your own life, with all its imperfections and emotions?
- monica28
so anyway although it was an intense time these two were only together (not as in a couple) for not even 2 months and a lot of time as passed since then in which they didn't really have much to do with each other it seems. so it makes sense that there's nothing there. the vagueness and allusions to something being there (not just from sarah) doesn't make so much sense though, but that's just part of the media game that they were landed in.
- poppy - GBR
@monica I like your way of thinking :))
- moni - Slo
Ok, I have the scans.. The FB group name is on top of it though, so some words are hard/impossible to read
- Meryn - Belgium
@monica yes but it doesn't seem to fit with what Veronica's saying. I think perhaps they have different interpretations of the situation? @Agent Meryn ;)
- poppy - GBR
@monica maybe it's a case of too little too late.
- salenger-Aus
"Non sono lesbica". "Non siamo una coppia gay." "Sogno non esiste". See - these are the headlines that are gonna stick with the public, that's the message Vero wants to project. And it's been like that from the start (apart from the sogno bit, that's a new addition). And THAT's what I meant when I said last night that her "public persona" is not in tune with the Vero at seratas, and even on FB. She's playing it completely safe. And Sarah isn't.
- monica28
Until Sarah says "i'm a lesbian or I'm bi' she's still playing it safe in my opinion.
- salenger-Aus
@monica I don't think Sarah is only nice girl in this story. The harm to come from two sides
- ems - fra
@Brooke But it's absurd of Vero to say Sarah was ambiguous, when Sarah has been very brave about saying she is in love with Vero - and that her new love could be either a man or a woman (read: She's bisexual). It's absurd to blame Sarah for this, when she, the Queen of Patata, just denies everything.
- monica28
She dances around it, she'll never say it.
- salenger-Aus
Sarah has never said she's a lesbian or bisexual. The difference though is that Veronica says unequivocally that she's not a lesbian and Sarah just remains pretty ambiguous about it
- poppy - GBR
@Moni i have a favor to ask can you go to FB chat for a sec.
- ghi-zhen/Canada
hey emssssssssssssss and laterzzzzzzz. ;))
- ghi-zhen/Canada
I would never force anyone to come out of the closet if she isn't ready, and I wouldn't force Vero to do it, but in my opinion she should at least show some respect for the woman who has said publicly that she's in love with her - don't make her look like the bad girl who made you suffer - and if it is at all possible, don't revert back to the olden days when you said "Io non sono lesbica" even when nobody asked about it.
- monica28
If she doesn't wanna come out, okay - but since everyone in the fandom knows about Vero's patata comments, it rings extremely hollow to see her position herself like that in the media.
- monica28
@ghi i have been bussy too, and you hate your real life...?
- Sunny Ville
@Poppy What is ambiguous about saying the person I'm in love with could be a man or a woman? What's ambiguous about I'm in love with her and want to live with her like a normal couple? You really want her to spell it out in an extremely homophobic climate?
- monica28
I know that's my point they are as bad as each other, but I'm pretty sure Vero didn't force Sarah to give these stupid interviews. She should have kept her mouth shut.
- salenger-Aus
as I said, don't quote her on the summary.. because as far as I can read in the interview, Vero never uses the word "ambigiuos", but I'll copy the part where she talks about having doubts about what Sarah said in magazines
- Meryn - Belgium
@Poppy Vero said at Festa that she used to be do cojo cojo, now she's patata. (She even called Sarah that. "Let's give Caesar what is Caesar's.") She said at a serata she wants a fishmonger, or better yet a female fishmonger. Yesterday she was taking applications for a girlfriend/wife. And now she feels it's necessary to say in the general public "Non sono lesbica"?
- monica28
again.. where do you read that she says that??
- Meryn - Belgium
She doesn't say anything about sexuality! Just that they're not together!
- Meryn - Belgium
@Monica maybe she feels safe saying these things to her fans, but the general public not so much.
- salenger-Aus
@brooke hey :) i dont think we have met... are you brooke from Australia who has the blogg?
- Sunny Ville
@monica I didn't say I want them to come out, I'm just saying nothings ever been confirmed in that sense. Also the Caesar comment I've never been sure about, in a biblical sense I would actually assume that meant "give them what they want' but perhaps it's a common phrase in Italy with a different meaning?
- poppy - GBR
@Moni i left some messages on fb chat. i know its too much to ask - hope you can find time with it and the post card! LOL
- ghi-zhen/Canada
@all hellouuu ..ok,so Visto isn't out ? ok,byeee (I'm on my work)...
- Ivana (Croatia)
@Meryn she says 'Io non sono lesbica' doesn't she? I thought I saw it on the scan?
- poppy - GBR
@MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ciao stronzaaaaaaa!! im off most of the day again!! ;(( talk to you later(?) have a good day!! ;))
- ghi-zhen/Canada
@brooke than i have to give you a big hug and say thanks :)) bechaouse i found this feed on your page and i read all the updates ther befhore i came here :)))
- Sunny Ville
@Poppy it's one of the titles, but I don't see it in the interview.. she only says that "il sogno di una coppia gay, o comunque bisessuale non è e non è mai stato il sogno di Veronica e Sarah"
- Meryn - Belgium
@Meryn What does "Non sono lesbica e mi dispiace per chi ci sperava" mean then? ("I'm not a lesbian and I am sorry for those who hoped")
- monica28
@Poppy I think the Caesar comment translates as "Let's just say it like it is".
- monica28
@monica it's a title the editors put there, but I don't see those words in the interview. just as the "e stata ambigua con i giornalisti" title.. she didn't literally say that either
- Meryn - Belgium
@Brooke Maybe. Maybe Sarah will make a retreat now. We'll see.
- monica28
D: Chi o che cosa ha eretto questo muro? // Veronica: Noi stesse, la nostra testardaggine, il meccanismo dei giornali, la mancanza di chiarezza. Da quando siamo uscite dalla Casa, io e Sarah siamo insieme pochissimo, praticamente solo in occasioni ufficiali e un paio di volte in cui io sono andata a stanarla perché volevo chiarimenti. In quelle occasioni parlavamo, andava tutto a posto e sembrava che lei fosse d'accordo con me, che avremmo adottato una linea comune nella dichiarazioni, che poi era quella della verita, ovvero che non stavamo insieme, che non eravamo una coppia, e che non era giusto alimentare l'illusione delle persone. Poi, pero, nelle interviste Sarah lasciava sempre l'ombra del dubbio. Mi faceva impazzire leggere sui giornali sue frasi dolcissime, o che ci vedevamo di nascoste, e in realta non vederla affatto e non ricevere neppure risposta agli sms o alle telefonata. E se le rispondevo pubblicamente, dicendo le cose come stavano, poi passavo per la cattiva, per quella che stava rifiatando i pensieri d'amore dell'altra. Ma non era cosi, non è mai stato cosi. Io per mesi mi sono presa le accuse, ma dentro ero tormentata dal dubbio che quella di Sarah nella Casa fosse stata tutta una scena. Avevo bisogno di lei, che mi guidasse e mi spiegasse come muovermi nel mondo dello spettacolo che lei gia conosceva, ma Sarah non c'era. Quindi mi sono chiusa a riccio per cercare di non soffrire, parlandone solo con le mie fan piu intime, i miei angelie, che mi hanno capito e confortato. Lo stesso momento buio l'ha vissato Sarah, ma io l'ho scoperto solo parlandole il 29 luglio. Mi ha spiegato che non mi chiamava perché aspettava che lo facessi io o perché credeva che tutto fosse tranquillo e non immaginava quel che stavo provando dentro di me. Insomma non sentivo piu la complicita che c'era nella Casa, quella di cui avevo bisogno e che ha reso Sarah cosi unica e speciale per me. Ho perfino temuto che quell'esserci incondizionatamente una per l'altra, che ha...
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- Meryn - Belgium
@meryn hmmmm I think that's probably true once out of the house but i don't believe that of how they felt in the house. Do you think Veronica just finds the term and concept of Il Sogno embarrassing haha? I probably would if it had been exposed to the world
- poppy - GBR