Yep. It's from the Dash GPS (http://dash.net). Unfortunately I hardly go anywhere these days so it's pointless, but I can't help using it from time to time.
- Leo Laporte
I truly my love my Dash GPS...I would keep it and drop Satellite Radio if I had to choose one.
- Tim Cooper
I'm fairly certain that thousands of people on twitter think they are "insiders" with you... hope your list doesn't get deluged! heh. I'm only ever a casual folk... life is too short! :)
- Lucretia Pruitt
I am an insider... you know I am... yes I am ...yes I am
- Noah David Simon
I'm an insider, I know how to spell it and therefore I am! Boo Yeah!
- Andrew Fielding
awesome news, now how about posting TWiT a few minutes early tonight in celebration?
- Jordan
We don't hold on to TWiT - Dane posts it the minute it's ready. (Which should be soon.)
- Leo Laporte
Is it cool just to buy a 32MB iTouch, most of the coolness, none of the AT&T?
- Steven Van Tilburg
from twhirl
Leo, can we get an audio stream feed of the daily TwitLive for us bandwidth challenged. I'm using EV-DO and it still doesn't quite keep up with your high bps. What speed are you sending out?
- Keith Rowland
I figured it'd be cool to buy a used, deactivated iPhone with most of the coolness and none of the AT&T, and it would still have the potential to be a phone again.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
I wonder if Super Monkey Ball would fit on a 32 MB iPod Touch:)
- Grant
I have to agree with Keith, Leo. Is there going to be an audio stream or podcast of some of the twitlive activities for the new iPhone debut? Being on dial-up it's hard for me to watch the video streaming.
- Molly, New Ears :P
Waiting to see magic unroll on the iPhone 3G marathon coverage.. Leo, who is joining you on the 24 live?
- Du Senyao Peter
Leo should do it telethon style... Have really cheesey variety acts, I'm thinking a singing dog and a bird that runs a obsticle course. Then every hour you could cut to a scene of Dane and Colleen at a bank of telephones and a counter of some sort. "Hi and welcome back to the iPhone-a-thon, lets go to Dane in the tally room... how we going Dane?"
- Johnny Worthington
I'm not quite sure I "get" why people want identi.ca. I mean isn't it just a Twitter clone? Why go backwards from FriendFeed? Isn't FriendFeed already a superior communications platform? I signed up for it but I'm just not sure how I can justify spending time there when FF is vastly superior.
I just like playing around with new stuff. Already I tend to use FriendFeed more than Twitter and I'll probably goof with identi.ca for awhile like I did with Plurk. At least I like identi.ca a LOT more than Plurk.
- Akiva Moskovitz
There are two misguided notions: 1) that Identi.ca is a "federated" service out of the box (it isn't), and 2) that because it's open source, it automatically means all features anybody wants gets put back into the identi.ca service (it doesn't). It does allow you to run your own microblogging service and hack it up, if you want. Number of people who are going to do that? Very, very few.
- Mark Trapp
Yeah, I get "playing around" with it. I do that with everything too. But after playing around with it it just seems like Twitter, unless I'm missing something. If I'm going to invest time in something it needs to be a step forward, not backwards. Feels like a step backwards to me from FriendFeed.
- Thomas Hawk
the open sourced potential distributed hosting nature of it is whats interesting to me thomas - not a replacement for friendfeed which is conversation & discovery central for me but it could be an interesting experiment in what a short msg'g platform could be if architecturally done right - very early though
- mike "glemak" dunn
It is an interesting point and brings up the question of how viable an open source FriendFeed clone would be. The primary motivation for the Twitter clones has been performance, but perhaps there would be other advantages? Just a thought.
- Ray Grieselhuber
We like the concept as you can tell.. Just like twitter but not buggy!!!!!!!
- JegerPhil - Phil
Actually, now that I think about it, identi.ca will never be a real player until FriendFeed starts working with it.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I see no point to go backwards, of course first you have to try it if you want to compare it. http://ubervu.com/ this is what I wanna try when will be public.
- dan
I signed, but will use twitter for post feed distribution and the occasional chat, but i agree that this platform is where we should spend most of our time, when we are not creating content.
- Mário Pires
i keep my ff twitter free! micro-blogging belongs to twitter and co
- Dieter Schwarz
I second utterz, also left a message asking to intergrate its cross posting with FF, this way we can select if we want some or all messages input to FF.
- Tony C.
Damn, I wish you could "like" comments, because what Winer said here is exactly what I'm feeling, even if I'm not a developer.
- Mike McCallister
from NoiseRiver
I agree and I still find that I post to twitter. My network on FF is really limited and I get absolutely no feedback here. So until more people i know get on board or I become more interesting I post on Twitter and look enviously at people who can get feedback here. Either way, I've signed up for identi.ca but I'm not using it.
- Jeremy Kunz
from twhirl
People want all these new things because it's "trendy" to have a bajillion social networking tools. I have trouble keeping up with the ones I have, but then that's the product of a 9+ hour workday coupled with a 3+ hour round trip commute and finding time to spend with the family.
- jerry
Great dialog Thomas. Think most of us would agree that FF and Twitter are essentially two different avenues and that if a SOLID replacement to Twitter came along (with an importer) before they fix it .... could (will) see an exodus of a lot of users.
- Charlie Anzman
Amen to that! FF is a winner, hands down in my opinion!
- Jason
Hi Thomas. You make me wonder where are Pownce, Twine, and the whole. of course it's definitely the triumph of less is more: less functions, more community, that's why we're still twitting -
- Alberto D'Ottavi
FF will be the clear winner of this all when it gains SMS functionality
- Glenn Batuyong
from twhirl
I second Glenn Batuyong, SMS support is really a selling point for twitter IMO
- Jeremy Kunz
from twhirl
@Glenn that would be a great feature!
- Joe Dawson
twitter (when it works) is still better at being distributed and easy to understand
- Samuel Bostock
What's great about Indenti.ca is that IT IS a Twitter clone. No need to make it "fancier" or "Feature-packed", and what was great about Twitter is that it did ONE thing well (when it's available). FF is only useful for people like you, Winer and Scoble who have followers commenting on YOUR posts. For me, with 0 followers, I rely on my "friends" timeline to read what you guys are writing, and there's WAY too much noise. Especially the most annoying feature the "friend of a friend" posts.
- Terry
Of course, I just realized you hit "hide", then "see more options...", then "hide all friends-of-friends". That's a big fail in my book.
- Terry
Terry (and everyone else pissed off about noise), protip: if you don't like noise, don't start using a service only following A-listers. Those people are interacting with hundreds to thousands of people, and will introduce you to a huge amount of noise, even on Twitter. If you can't find people to follow that aren't A-listers, maybe being on that service isn't the best thing for you at this time. You can't have your cake and eat it, too.
- Mark Trapp
The stole the whole thing from Zobzee.com anyway.
- Jim Kukral
from twhirl
You know if they were an EXACT clone of Twitter (minus the downtime) I think they'd do very well.
- Leo Laporte
It's just another tube that feeds into FriendFeed, to me.
- Josh Bancroft
their IM works, me and another were having a convo through indenti.ca with IM which i miss with twitter. i just like playing around with new things as well, that and "reserve" my username on the new launches, just in case.
- Chris Harris
@Leo Yeah, They just have to do all the same features, and then we will just need a skin on it that makes it look 'exactly' like Twitter. Fail-Whale and everything :P Honestly, I've kinda moved away from the conversation on Twitter and Identi.ca. I mainly post on it with Ping.fm, but I don't really look at replies that much until I get a app. I don't know why, but I really just need something that will Pop Up, tell me what happened, then fade into the background. Browser won't do that
- Tyler (Chacha)
Mark, I'm one of those very very few people then. Already talking to a developer about adding identi.ca's platform to The China Business Network's re-launch. Let the hacking for niche communities begin. :)
- Christine Lu
Christine, don't get me wrong: that's really, really cool. And I'm sure there are going to be others like you that find uses for laconi.ca. There's this notion that open source = perfect software, and it's really being pushed today and yesterday with identi.ca. It's not a game changer. The "it has potential" argument only goes so far. Many, many, many projects have potential. It's what an enterprising person or group of people do with it that matters.
- Mark Trapp
I couldn't agree more. Why have a new service that is just a clone of another? Unless identi.ca can do something that Twitter can't, then thanks but no thanks.
- Brandon Wood
@Mark Trapp I totally understand about the A-lister noise, but up to certain point I LIKE the noise. I don't really care that one of my friends is about to take his dog for a walk, but I AM interested in Dave Winer's thoughts on whatever-new web app. Twitter for me is the perfect blend of quasi-feedreader and cult of personality. FF seems to be "everything that everyone's doing everywhere and sometimes more than once". Plus, I like the @ reply system.
- Terry
@leo, but it won't work; also friendfeed I think is more prone to take over a huge chunk of say what facebook does, rather than a huge chunk of what twitter/etc does. you still need the pipes to feed into the main. I'd also add that a more dynamic/distributed way to have a microblogging like community flow between IRC style chats and twitter like status blogging, so sort of the way to go...
- tycho garen
Let me just say, for once, I am enjoying my FriendFeed experience. Maybe it's all about participation. On Twitter, I can just read what others are saying and make an occasional stupid post... but here, it seems more enjoyable if you're actually INVOLVED in the conversation.
- Terry
SMS support isn't important to me. I prefer managing my interaction with a microblogging site myself rather than be interrupted. For me, and I may be unique here as a photographer, photos are also extremely important. That's why I liked Pownce a lot more than Twitter when it came out. But FF has them all beat hands down, so I'm still not sure why I'd invest time in something like identi.ca now.
- Thomas Hawk
I would have to agree with you on identi.ca. If twitter has this many problems already, would identi have the same issues as well. I really like FF much better then twitter or identi.
- Jeff Chilton
I'm with Thomas Hawk on SMS, too. I can just open up IE on my WM5 phone and hit Twitter or FriendFeed just fine.
- DeathByNinja
"open sourced potential distributed hosting nature," that sounds cool and all but it reminds me too much of stuff like OpenID or Ubuntu, or whatever it's called. Sounds really good but wayyyy too geeky to ever get broader adoption which is what makes a community site work best. FF has the traction at this point and a nucleus of interesting people sourcing interesting content filtered through social interactivity. Beats anything else out there at present.
- Thomas Hawk
I hope that things like this with their mobile extensions will see the end of the rip off that is SMS.
- John Cooper
I'm finding FF/Twitter great, but am exploring identi.ca
- Chris
It could be that folks are just looking (desperately) for something that will be more stable than Twitter, while having all the interesting people on it.
- Randy Hall
@leolaporte said it all. I get all of the luminaries tallkng to me in real time, and that reaks of awesome. AIR might just be the killer app of the year.
- adam garrett
from twhirl
Right now, Indenti.ca is Twitter, minus a bunch of things. Comparing Twitter and FriendFeed has always been an apple and oranges comparison anyway—one isn't better than the other, since they do different things. Twitter is essentially in beta right now; things should get interesting when Twitter is completely back with XMPP, track, etc.
- Albert Willis
@thomas Hawk and @deathbyninja Being someone with an unlimited data plan, I have to say that the usefulness of SMS should not be overlooked. Not everyone has unlimited data, and in some cases, that data is a walked garden (like T-Zones). Plus not everyone has a smartphone, and in some cases, it's just easier to slam out a text message (especially when in an area with crappy data...
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- Ivan
from fftogo
@Thomas Yes, I agree "open source, decentralized" sounds very geeky, but all that techie talk will be TRANSPARENT for ALL users once it all just works! http://is.gd/LlY
- Hao Chen
i agree. Fun to try different systems!
- Harry Myhre
Honestly, I found it just as slow as Twitter and missing in features. I know, I know - it's open source and features can be easily added. But really, most of my closest friends aren't leaving Twitter and most of my techie friends are on FF. Everyone segregated themselves for me. I reserved my user names at identi.ca, just like I did at Plurk, but that was the extent of it for me.
- Michelle Lentz
Having the ability to post media messages like utterz would be a nice addition to FF.
- Tim FitzGerald
@Aaron: it reminds me of a chat room. a/s/l anyone?
- Mona Nomura
"Ridiculously featureless." Well put. Not to mention it's really really slow. It's a good thing they have XMPP connectivity out of the box, since that's the only way it's remotely usable.
- Albert Willis
its more like we flock to these other services to lay claim to our handles, or else you are like scoble and they get scooped up.
- Andrea Baker
If identi.ca had a fail whale, we'd have already sighted it spout. Of course, it's really early ...
- Chris Baskind
Gee. It was working fine a minute ago. ;-)
- Leo Laporte
Had a look at identi.ca, but think friendfeed will be my new drug of choice
- James Fridley
I kind of hate it already, and I just joined tonight. I'm sticking with Twitter/FF
- Veronica
Anybody remember what Twitter looked like on it's first day live?
- Ken Sheppardson
MASS MIGRATION!! I see over 1,000 unique users already in 1 day! dang this app is going viral fast!... already got an outage error... we need a "fail MOOSE"
- Susan Beebe
I can't call them "tweets", and calling them "identi" is just weird
- xero
Seriously, they're already moving servers apparently according to the head guy there once it finally calmed down.
- Zach Flauaus
@Mona people complain but only for so long... remember - everybody left DOS years ago...
- Harry Myhre
Zach: who's the "head guy" @ identi.ca ??
- Susan Beebe
i'm willing to test out any of these microblogging platforms to find one that consistently works
- Chris
startups that experience exponential growth get slammed with new users... thus the performance hits on their servers = crawl
- Susan Beebe
Not sure if he's the "head guy" but Evan Prodromou (evan here and on identi.ca) is certainly up the chain. I've seen him described as the author in other threads.
- Ken Sheppardson
I'll stick with Twitter and Friend Feed for now. I've been to a few different places and it just doesn't feel right. Yeah, Twitter is down a lot, but I still like it. I also am liking FF too, because people can leave comments.
- Molly, New Ears :P
FriendFeed is MY killer app.. the rest are time sucks
- Susan Beebe
I signed in with openid (liked that), uploaded an avatar and made a post. But I don't know if I want to put any effort into subscribing to anyone. I mean the people I want to follow (subscribe to) are mostly hear or on FF. Maybe I am just being lazy.
- Andrea Baker
The twitter clones all seem to have at least one defining thing going for them, but identi.ca is very plain. It seems like twitter with *less* features.
- Patrick
from twhirl
Apart from communities on twitter-clones tending to be much smaller than on twitter itself, if you make a straight up clone, you will probably end up with the same technical problems Twitter has. You'd have to change something quite radical on the architecture side of things.
- Horst Gutmann
Ugh, I hope people don't start using it. Now that I've finally left Twitter, I'm pretty content with FriendFeed.
- Dillon K. Hoops
@Igor You have that backwards. ;) Personally I'm liking FriendFeed. It's like an open architecture FaceBook. The only things I'd change is a better mobile interface, the ability to SMS/IM in shares, and the ability to comment on/like comments. That's it. The feature I love the most is the Imaginary Friend feature.
- Ivan
from fftogo
The user base will grow I think. Twitter has it's charm, but FriendFeed has discipline.
- phil baumann
I use Twitter, but only thru FriendFeed and SocialThing!
- Ian Munroe
If there was a better "at a glance" function for FriendFeed (something I could integrate with Growl on OSX), I'd leave Twitter and never look back.
- Kyle Johnson
Ah, Leo is talkin' about FriendFeed! :*)
- Susan Beebe
Friendfeed is nicer, but its so busy, and those "friend of" posts that end up in ones feed are very annoying. I don't want to see posts from Scoble's friends just because he clicks that he likes the post.
- MarkFromIreland
I assume Leo's talking about FF. This message out of context could have many interpretations.
- Kevin Shannon
Mark: use the "hide" feature and select to hide Friend of Friend post...that'll de-clutter your feed
- Susan Beebe
...and its name doesn't begin with "twit" -- sorry! :-)
- Dave Winer
i think they should rename it TwitFeed just to upset Leo
- @baratunde
The best point is a short point.To this point I have yet to encounter any problems at all with FF!
- Mike Lewis
Paul Reynolds problem with that method is when twitterfeed is down.. like say, now. But that is a nice link as to how to do it. I didn't use pipes. I just added &service=internal at the end of the rss I entered into twitterfeed.. Worked great.. till twitterfeed broke.
- Curtis "Billy" Cross
from twhirl
Hey Curtis, I used the pipes to send from multiple services, clean up what goes to Twitter, and to link back directly to the FF entry. My hope it that it would recruit people to FF and encourage them to comment. But yes, the pipe certainly isn't necessary if you just want to push one service to Twitter.
- Paul Reynolds
Paul Reynolds - If I could find a script to use instead of Twitterfeed, I can completely automate the process and not worry about Twitterfeed being down and/or wait an hr for posting to twitter. I found this script a few days ago but it hasn't worked for me http://paulstamatiou.com/2007...
- Marshall Bose
I think my head's about to explode. Something needs to change. Does FF stand for Firefox or FriendFeed?
- Barry
I kind of like this so far. Let's see if can handle the traffic.
- pool101
i wish alertthingy would integrate with growl. i know this isn't exactly cross platform but heck, i'm a mac user
- h1ro
from Alert Thingy
Ah, the scourge of Adobe Air: hideous font rendering, non-standard GUI widgets, close-box in the wrong corner... All the kinds of things we Mac users are known to gripe about.
- Barry
so basically we want twitterific but for friendfeed. i don't think that's too small a request!
- h1ro
from Alert Thingy
I just miss being able to tweet via IM at the moment
- Jacob Grove
you sure do get a lot more running conversation here
- Greg Louderman