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Here I am showing Sam the delights of ff and twitter. :)
Videos of the conference sessions have been added to the Programme page: http://www.scienceonlinelondon.org/program... #solo09
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Catch up on all the sessions you missed...
- Duncan Hull
Science Online London links - Joanna Scott's blog - Joanna Scott's blog on Nature Network - http://network.nature.com/people...
Jan Schmirmund, Daniel Mietchen and Mike Chelen liked this
Nice post about Second Life experience at recent Science Online conf and how SL saved the day......
- Maxine
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Science Online London 2009: Online communication of science by institutions and organizations on Vimeo - http://www.vimeo.com/6390075
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"How can research and educational outreach organizations use online tools such as blogs, Twitter, etc. to communicate science? In this audience participation session, the speakers will use real-world examples to spark discussion about some of the issues involved, including overcoming resistance in the institution, tone of voice, and constraints around talking about animal research or other sensitive topics. Ed Yong, Henry Scowcroft, Paolo Viscardi, Simon Frantz"
- Mike Chelen
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Fwd: Fwd: Good article. RT @simon_frantz: The Five Habits of Highly Successful Community Managers, by R Legrand/Mediashift: http://www.pbs.org/mediash...
Great article - spot on from my experience! Thanks for posting.
- Arikia
Dear subscribers. For those of you who couldn't make #solo09 in person (or via SL) Joanna Scott from Nature has uploaded 7 videos totalling 309 minutes to Vimeo http://www.vimeo.com/user827...
Michael Habib, Oliver Schuster, Kubke and 5 other people liked this
Very much appreciated!
- Egon Willighagen
Thanks Egon. Please spread the word as I don't think many folks know about the videos yet. I didn't until a couple of hours ago. They were uploaded 4 days ago !!
- Graham Steel
Still no online copy of Darwin's Lost Weekend?
- Frank Norman
@Frank, no.
- Graham Steel
Let me expand. I've mentioned elsewhere on da webz, the filmakers intend to submit the film to film festivals and can't do so if the film has already been released !! I'm willing to release a few more advance copies to folks interested on the strict understanding that it is not copied or uploaded to web.
- Graham Steel
OK. I'll just have to be patient then. Will be interesting to see what the festivals make of it.
- Frank Norman
Hopefully a _different_ reaction than was received at The Faraday !! Right film, wrong audience, we reckon, allegedly. This thead is going OT already. Let's keep this to the videos, not THE film.
- Graham Steel
Fwd: Meta science blogging, London style : LabLit.com - http://www.lablit.com/article... (via http://friendfeed.com/habib...) - See everyone in video.
List of blog posts about Science Online London now at 41. Happy reading and commenting, and let me know if I missed any: http://network.nature.com/people...
Jan Schmirmund, Jamie McQuay, Victor / Mendeley Team and 5 other people liked this
Oh. Thanks!
- Heather
see Dave Munger's http://ff.im/7bgKy
- Duncan Hull
Brian Kelly http://ff.im/7aP0H
- Duncan Hull
I've added these blog posts about Science Online London (and a few more).
- Martin Fenner
Breakout 3: Author identity – Creating a new kind of reputation online: Duncan Hull, Geoffrey Bilder, Michael Habib, Reynold Guida
Cameron Neylon, Deepak Singh, Ginny and 6 other people liked this
Geoff Bilder starts with a definition of terms.
- Martin Fenner
...and with a Mini Me
- Allyson Lister
The same person can have many profiles.
- Martin Fenner
....and even more Mini Mes - one for each persona
- Allyson Lister
identifier for a profile; multiple personas for each person, each with their own profile
- Allyson Lister
Why do we want an author identifier: to have a scholarly record.
- Martin Fenner
Two separate issues of identity: security and access control vs. identification.
- Martin Fenner
Nice slide depicting the "scholarly record"
- Daniel Mietchen
Requirement for access control systems are far higher than for identification systems.
- Martin Fenner
Scope of author identifier: international, interinstitutional and interdisciplinary.
- Martin Fenner
CrossRef has assigned DOIs to scholarly work as far back as the 1600s.
- Martin Fenner
CrossRef deals with 200.000 DOIs per month, on average 5 authors per paper. Whatever we build has to scale.
- Martin Fenner
99% accuracy is a disaster.
- AJCann
hmm, I look forward to the discussion, I've heard all of the content of the presentations before, though they are being presented well here.
- Ian Mulvany
I agree, the interesting part is how we move forward from here. We have the right panel for that.
- Martin Fenner
Bouncing users from one site to another is a disaster - looks like phishing to most users. We're trying to train them to avoid this!
- AJCann
Duncan Hull summarised the weaknesses of OpenID nicely.
- Daniel MacArthur
Geoff Bilder made a strong case against OpenID and other distributed identification systems here: http://network.nature.com/people...
- Martin Fenner
Scopus Author ID. Pros: automated, validated by publications, 99% precision, 95% recall. Cons: Impersinal: 99% precision, 95% recall.
- Martin Fenner
auto-generated about 7 million profiles of current researchers, pretty impressive.
- Ian Mulvany
Scopus Author ID allows feedback from authors.
- Martin Fenner
no discussion so far about foaf, "rel=me" or knitting the web together in a way that enables auto-aggregation of profiles.
- Ian Mulvany
What we notice is that the number of multi-author papers has started to increase, while single-author papers have decreased.
- Allyson Lister
ok, now this is getting interesting, we have someone from Thompson, so we have AuthorID, ResearcherID, OpenID and proponents of DOI as ID all sitting at the same table, I think they should have a jello wrestling contest to determine which system gets adopted.
- Ian Mulvany
scopus's good stats are surely skewed by so many many single publication authors. my experience of scopus is not so good.
- Joe Dunckley
Author identities can help with the discovery process.
- Martin Fenner
Introduction of ResearcherID: open and secure.
- Martin Fenner
researcherid is concerned to be secure and open, secure in that the researcher controls their profile, and open in that they provide widgets, that allows the researcher to link to their profile (I don't know if that is the same kind of open as the kind of open that I'm used to thinking about)
- Ian Mulvany
have institutional tools to allow institutions to batch create profiles, could be smart. now Q & A.
- Ian Mulvany
ResearcherID uses Web of Science as its publication database. Yep, really open.
- Bob O'Hara
there is a lot of tip-toe talk to avoid a turf war going on here
- Allison Coles
Go robot blogger!
- Duncan Hull
+1 Joe re: Scopus stats. The 99% figure seems a bit too high!
- Euan
Well, my question to the panel did not tip-toe! ("Do all these systems talk to each other?"). Have also heard Scopus not as good as that via some other conference report.
- Maxine
@Euan - I agree, from using Scopus and being very frustrated with their author profiles, there's no way they can claim 99% precision - but what do precision and recall actually mean in this case? I would understand accuracy huh.
- Christina Pikas
My slides: http://mchabib.com/2009...
- Michael Habib
I read through these posts and I worry that the vision that Geoff espouses is so far off as to never gain traction in the marketplace. It's similar to XRI, which requires registration through a central service. While it's fair to point out that we "lease" domain names, there are legal protections for them as well. Anyway, it's an interesting discussion — glad OpenID is part of it.
- Chris Messina
Hi Chris, I am working out a response, but in the meantime, a related and more detailed presentation of Geoff's is available here: http://www.gen2phen.org/documen... Duncan's presentation focused on OpenID more than ours. All our presentations should be up on Nature Proceedings in good time.
- Michael Habib
My slides from this session on authenticating scientists with openid are here http://www.slideshare.net/dullhun... I think all the slides will eventually be available through http://precedings.nature.com
- Duncan Hull
@Chris - the reason why centralized author/contributor IDs is expected to work is that there's a big incentive for the various stakeholders (authors and publishers alike) to sort out what is a pretty poor situation in the scholarly publishing domain, with the author name problem and whatnot. There's precedence for this: DOIs for scholarly publiations and associated social/technical infrastructure.
- 'Mummi' Thorisson
Yeah — I understand. I guess I think that an OpenID-style solution is what should be the foundation of such a system — and that the centralized service should act as a "metadata provider" — basically like Gravatar: input a particular author's URI/URL, get out a list of known/verified publications that they contributed to.
- Chris Messina
@Chris - that's where opinions start to differ :) Some argue Contributor IDs should *be* OpenIDs, while others argue for a dedicated identifier and OpenID should be the authentication mechanism (one of perhaps several, including Shibboleth, username/pwd etc.) for contributors to sign in to manage their profile and interact with it in other ways.
- 'Mummi' Thorisson
...a major point supporting the latter is that the contributor identifiers need to exist for authors who never obtain an OpenID and aren't likely to, say one-time authors who never published more than that one article in 1994, or are inactive for some reason or another, e.g. deceased.
- 'Mummi' Thorisson
It's worth point out that Geoff's perspective comes from CrossRef where centralization has been essential to maintain active redirects for DOIs. There is a serious social problem for research that means we have really bad users of technology combined with really serious requirements for reliability. That said given the mess there is going to be in this space keeping registration,...
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- Cameron Neylon
@Cameron - yeah, that's right. You da man :P
- 'Mummi' Thorisson
I'll just leave it up to you to fix shall I Mummi?
- Cameron Neylon
This may be useful for the discussion: summary and meeting minutes from the IRBW2009 workshop on research identity - http://www.gen2phen.org/blogs...
- 'Mummi' Thorisson
The science of Google Wave : Nature News - http://www.nature.com/news...
Paul Bacchus, Duncan Hull, Daniel Mietchen and 6 other people liked this
Nature News interview with Cameron Neylon. Quote "The Google team is very supportive of our efforts, but they aren't, as far as I'm aware, thinking specifically about scientists using Wave as a tool. I don't think we really figure on their radar. It is up to us to work out what the potential is."
- Maxine
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@Cameron: you say "Documents created in Google Wave would be much richer, and one could convert them to the format of a published paper and retain all that annotation." Say, some robot changes an InChIKey to the matching mol formula (or IUPAC/trivial name, or something else), how could that InChIKey be recovered from the document, to keep the document machine readable?
- Egon Willighagen
Egon, I've got a blog post cogitating on some suggestions for best practice but I think one important point is to use the ability to annotate to a) leave a trace of what was there before b) to markup things that are in specific "langauges" and c) to add appropriate additional annotation. So for instance ChemSpidey currently just adds a link to ChemSpider. What it should do is leave an...
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- Cameron Neylon
Shorter answer: "could" but we have to write the Robots and services properly to make it happen :-)
- Cameron Neylon
there's the other side of that, too, right? the problem of MS Word leaving in all kinds of personal data that's discoverable later. In some situations it's important to get rid of the annotation or at least have the option.
- Christina Pikas
Agreed, but I'm personally more worried about losing the trail along the way than anything else. We do such a bad job of that a little self awareness about rude comments seems a small price to pay.
- Cameron Neylon
Fwd: Presentation from Breakout 3: Author identity – Creating a new kind of reputation online - http://mchabib.com/2009... (via http://friendfeed.com/habib...)
Fwd: Reflections on Science Online 2009: 7 things that changed from 2008 and a few that stayed the same. http://www.axiope.com/communi... (via http://friendfeed.com/the-lif...)
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Note that the wiki link in there is to NC 2010, NOT London...
- F1000
Plenty of Fringe Frivolous and Science Online London 2009 Pictures! http://www.mendeley.com/blog...
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Great pictures! Please add them to the Flickr group: http://www.flickr.com/groups...
- Martin Fenner
Done :-)
- Victor / Mendeley Team
Far out: Speculations on science communication 50 years from now: John Gilbey
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John introduces the University of Rural England, a fictional place where students and faculty suffer the same weaknesses.
- Martin Fenner
Dead tree media will become history?
- AJCann
Google wave will be history?
- AJCann
+1 AJCann
- Bob O'Hara
i can tell my future involves a nice cold pint :)
- Ian Mulvany
Forget the monkeys, black swans loom over the horizon.
- AJCann
For many people the present is the future. People born before 1980 still know a world without computers and for us a lot what we use today is futuristic.
- Martin Fenner
Ian, so your clairvoyance only extends about 90 minutes into the future?
- Victor / Mendeley Team
Them, Martin? Are you really that young?
- Bob O'Hara
Climate change and tipping points?
- AJCann
when the lizards rule, experiments on monkeys will be a lot less controversial
- Ian Mulvany
At least Second Life will be history.
- AJCann
Ian, they turned off the air condition so we buy more at the bar downstairs ;).
- Martin Fenner
Bob, I'm younger in my mind. But was born before Woodstock took place.
- Martin Fenner
A backup is not an archive.
- AJCann
We need robust mechanisms to protect knowledge offline.
- AJCann
This is the third time in a few weeks that I heard about the importance of making backups of digital information as a great challenge in the future. Have to think more about this. John was showing an old floppy disk with a PhD thesis on it. My thesis is on a floppy disk written with a word processor/operating system that has been dead for many years.
- Martin Fenner
You don't have paper copies of your thesis Martin? I do of mine.
- AJCann
Of course I have paper copies. This just shows that analog formats might still be the safest format for storing information.
- Martin Fenner
The technology horizon is 5-7 years. Predictions beyond that are speculation.
- AJCann
Question is: Why hasn't the future happened yet? :-)
- AJCann
Sigh. Paper is an inherently unstable medium. We should be publishing on stone (Twitter -> Chipper?)
- AJCann
(This was a great way to finish the presentations at Solo09. Thanks!)
- Allyson Lister
http://twitter.com/stressr... "As a geologist, I find "set in stone" to be a very odd metaphor for permanence."
- Bora Zivkovic
so what exactly happens at the "technology horizon"? just another fancy word for the allmighty singularity?
- laura
Jeremy John of the digital archives project at the British Library can read all these old formats in the digital scriptorum he's built. Impressive. (includes paper tape and punch cards which were not shown in this presentation but which I recall my parents using way back when).
- Maxine
After the conference is before the conference: would really like to see a session on digital archives in a future conference.
- Martin Fenner
a session on digital archives sounds good, Martin. Perhaps librarians and infoscientists can do one in January in NC? Rile them up!
- Bora Zivkovic
Jeremy John would be my recommendation. Was an evolutionary biologist before heading up the BL digital lives project.
- Maxine
Thanks, Maxine. Do you know him and have contact info for him? Perhaps give him a heads-up?
- Bora Zivkovic
Yes, I know him - have been involved with his project. Here's the link to him and all about his project/conference. http://www.bl.uk/digital... I'm sure he'd be delighted to come to the conference and/or suggest appropriate speakers for specific aspects of this rather large subject, if you want to "drill down" into one particular specialism. (See digital lives conf programme - http://www.bl.uk/digital...)
- Maxine
Google Wave: Just another ripple or science communication tsunami? Cameron Neylon, Chris Thorpe, Ian Mulvany
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This is something I'm really interested in. So are a bunch of twitterers, it seems.
- Bob O'Hara
Looking forward to the live demo :D
- Allyson Lister
Unicast = 1 message sent to many people. Wave is multicast - "gold" copy is always kept.
- AJCann
Introduction by Chris Thorpe. Email is multicasts, Wave is unicasts: you send the same message to several people.
- Martin Fenner
Jargon: "wavelets" & "blips".
- AJCann
Robots are powerful tools to extend the functionality of Google Wave.
- Martin Fenner
Waves can be embedded into other webpages, e.g. a blog.
- Martin Fenner
Oops, some confusion over unicast and multicast immediately - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- AJCann
Gadgets change the functionality of a Wave. Gadgets are client-sie tools, Robots are server-side tools.
- Martin Fenner
Data stored in wave, gadgets stored in blips.
- AJCann
Cameron starts Wave live demo.
- Martin Fenner
And now the fun begins...
- Bob O'Hara
Hey Cameron, some of us author papers collaboratively on Google Docs!
- AJCann
But they're just showing versioned instant messaging, right now. cool, but I would like to see more. :)
- Allyson Lister
a Guardian robot was shown for searching the Guardian.
- Allyson Lister
Can someone add me to the wave? username nuin
- Paulo Nuin
And very nice: a Watexy robot for displaying latex figures
- Allyson Lister
Sort of jealous - wish I could "wave" (is it a verb yet?) :)
- Allyson Lister
Can someone as the cat herders what they think of Daniel MacArthur's tweet: "Google Wave "will make flame wars almost immediate..."?
- Bob O'Hara
Seems to me that robots are the truly innovative aspect of wave from a users point of view (but beyond the authoring capabilities of mere mortals).
- AJCann
Waves can store structured information in a transparent way.
- Martin Fenner
Ian M suggests wave robots can tame APIs for mere mortals.
- AJCann
Is wave a technology in search of a problem? Like all new tech, will need a "killer app" to take off. What is the killer app for wave?
- AJCann
Demo of a few robots including Igor: http://blogs.nature.com/wp...
- Martin Fenner
Hashtag consensus seems to be that wave is underwhelming...
- AJCann
Cameron talks about using a Wave as a tool to design a laboratory workflow, where the Wave can be used with different datasets.
- Martin Fenner
I think we just need to see more exciting apps, and not sure there's been enough time or people in the early testing to get that (yet), @AJCann. I remain hopeful...
- Allyson Lister
Live collaboration might not be needed for writing a paper. It's just a byproduct of the version control mechanism.
- Martin Fenner
Can someone ask how tech savvy one has to be to use Wave?
- Bob O'Hara
Bob: not very tech savvy. The interface is just still a little bit klunky.
- Martin Fenner
I asked there, let's see if someone answers.
- Paulo Nuin
I know Martin has answered here ...
- Paulo Nuin
A few people there are twittering and worrying about what they need to know.
- Bob O'Hara
Ian Mulvany: if you submit a manuscript written as a Wave, you can track exactly who did what.
- Martin Fenner
IMHO, it would be great for small collaboration efforts
- Paulo Nuin
Bob: No one answered on the Wave, I don't know if it's over there
- Paulo Nuin
Wave is different from FriendFeed, because it is conversations between a specific group of people.
- Martin Fenner
In a way, but there are ways to find public conversations, and embedded waves on blogs/sites can open the discussion.
- Paulo Nuin
It decentralizes the discussion, centralizing its repository.
- Paulo Nuin
Why Cameron likes Wave: it solves many little problems that have bothered us for a long time.
- Martin Fenner
Chris Thorpe: Google Wave is pushing data, so much smarter than pulling data in services such as Twitter.
- Martin Fenner
If any presenter is listening, can you please play the video of the demo for the SL folks? they're asking nicely...
- Allyson Lister
Disadvantage of Google Wave: it can't be used offline. Future versions will probably be able to do that (using Google Gears).
- Martin Fenner
So I wonder if wave is the reason Apple are building those huge data centers...
- AJCann
Paulo, can you add "If any presenter is listening, can you please play the video of the demo for the SL folks? they're asking nicely..." to the wave?
- Daniel Mietchen
Thanks Bjoern - it came slightly too late.
- Daniel Mietchen
Sorry - am reviewing a paper in parallel :-)
- Björn Brembs
Blog post at: http://themindwobbles.wordpress.com/2009...
- Allyson Lister
I'm excited about Wave - not for what it is, but for it's potential :-)
- Björn Brembs
Will it review papers for you as well?
- Bob O'Hara
Sorry, had to step out a little ...
- Paulo Nuin
@bob: lol, I wish :-) But I could keep a wave open with questions to colleagues (or the authors if it was an open review). Beats email and chat and phone, in my eyes.
- Björn Brembs
Waves could be used in the review process. It would also work for anonymous peer review, because parts of a Wave can be private discussions.
- Martin Fenner
My guess it's neither (haven't used it), but a key aspect of our evolution to an event-driven web
- Deepak Singh
I am WAY EXCITED about Google Wave!!!!!!! I want to play with it right now actually.
- Arikia
code for the janey robot is: http://github.com/IanMulv...
- Ian Mulvany
@Ian who is Janey? I've seen Igor...
- Egon Willighagen
the important functions are OnBlipSubmitted and QueryJaneAPI. #solo09
- Ian Mulvany
Egon, demo robot that I put together for #solo09, it queries http://www.biosemantics.org/jane...
- Ian Mulvany
I really liked this demo/session - thanks, panel.
- Maxine
Thanks Maxine. I was afraid the session was to "geeky" for many in the audience.
- Martin Fenner
Looking back I'm thinking that we may have fallen between the stools of trying to cater for both the excited geeks and those who had no idea what we were talking about. That and we clearly needed some flashier robots to get the wow factor up :-)
- Cameron Neylon
Well I thought the robots were appropriate to the meeting's agenda. Really, it was a good session. I think you did have some exceptionally knowledgeable geek outliers in your audience (in reality and virtually). I certainly learned a lot from it and I am somewhere in the middle of your two extremes, Cameron ;-)
- Maxine
Anyone feel like making a Wordle of the Twitter and FF posts for solo09? Not sure how, otherwise I would :)
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Just paste the search feed in here, right? http://www.wordle.net/create
- Mr. Gunn
Thanks @Mr Gunn. It looks like it's been done now by laika.spoetnik (http://www.flickr.com/photos... and http://www.flickr.com/photos...)
- Allyson Lister
Real-time statistics in science Victor Henning, Richard Grant, Virginia Barbour
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Metrics and quality are not the same thing.
- AJCann
Impact factors too slow, too obscure.
- AJCann
She'd like to reclaim the word "impact" from "impact factor". (I like that idea!)
- Allyson Lister
Articles have broken free of journals, hence article-level metrics at PLoS.
- AJCann
NEJM is changing the way their front pages look and the Journal of Vision is changing the way the metrics are displayed.
- Allyson Lister
PLoS moving towards providing both download and related content and link in information.
- Cameron Neylon
Download data coming to PLoS soon.
- AJCann
News coverage is hard to track (harder than blogs). Isn't media coverage supposed to be part of REF?
- AJCann
Victor talking about Mendeley - doing the Last.fm analogy
- Cameron Neylon
Scrobbling and resource discovery.
- AJCann
Can you actually measure the attention that people are paying to papers or even how they intereact with them?
- Cameron Neylon
I'm sceptical that length of time an article is open in a PDF reader = useful indicator of "depth" of reading.
- Daniel MacArthur
Agreed - but it its a step towards actually measuring the interaction which could be very useful...
- Cameron Neylon
Granularity of some of these proposed metrics causing privacy concerns.
- AJCann
Difficult balance here between aggregation and preserving privacy - the highest quality information will come when you can choose the people to follow - but then they have to make it public. But the pay off is that by doing this you start having influence.
- Cameron Neylon
@Daniel: agreed... I have very often a paper open for days, until I'm back at the university to send it to a printer... just as reminder
- Egon Willighagen
@Daniel @Egon +1
- Allyson Lister
@ AJCann they start with the info being private, with an option to make it public.
- Daniel Mietchen
On the impact factor discussion, please see http://bjoern.brembs.net/news499... .
- Daniel Mietchen
Impact factors receiving a kicking - 5% of papers contribute 80% of impact factor rating of journal.
- AJCann
No discussion of h-index? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- AJCann
Too similar to classical citation metrics.
- Daniel Mietchen
I think the ratio is actually 20% of papers and 80% of the impact factor - correlation between citations and impact factor is about 0.15
- Cameron Neylon
pfanderson: SL backchat talking about undiscovered connections in research and novel research being ignored or suppressed.
- AJCann
The paper on impact metric stats is at http://www.plosone.org/article...
- Daniel Mietchen
Blog post at: http://themindwobbles.wordpress.com/2009...
- Allyson Lister
I actually disagreed with Victor about the length of time thing but didn't want to argue with him in front of all y'all
- Richard P Grant
Thanks to everyone who RT'ed me at #solo09: you can find all posts from today with the "solo09" tag on my blog: http://themindwobbles.wordpress.com/tag...
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Allyson, thanks for your extensive coverage of Science Online London here and on your blog.
- Martin Fenner
Yes, thanks, looks good - have subscribed to your blog, Allyson!
- Maxine
Did anyone perhaps save the "roll call" conversation in Second Life? I closed at the end of that session without saving...
Allyson Lister: Breakout 1: What is a scientific paper? (Science Online London 2009) - http://themindwobbles.wordpress.com/2009... (via http://friendfeed.com/allyson...)
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Allyson Lister: Blogging for impact (Science Online London 2009) - http://themindwobbles.wordpress.com/2009... (via http://friendfeed.com/allyson...)
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Allyson Lister: Cat herding: The challenges and rewards… (Science Online London 2009) - http://themindwobbles.wordpress.com/2009... (via http://friendfeed.com/allyson...)
Allyson Lister: Breakout 3: Author identity – Creating a new kind of reputation online (Science Online London 2009) - http://themindwobbles.wordpress.com/2009... (via http://friendfeed.com/allyson...)
Allyson Lister: Real-time statistics in science (Science Online London 2009) - http://themindwobbles.wordpress.com/2009... (via http://friendfeed.com/allyson...)
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Allyson Lister: Google Wave: Just another ripple or science communication tsunami? (Science Online London 2009) - http://themindwobbles.wordpress.com/2009... (via http://friendfeed.com/allyson...)
Comments from Second Life: [5:12] Perplexity Peccable: the "if we build it they will come" mentality [5:14] Perplexity Peccable: LOL, Verde. And they they blame the platform when they didn't bother to learn the culture or community standards [5:14] Perplexity Peccable: /"seeding the community" Yes - tightly focused communities have proven very...
thanks! but it got truncated.
- Heather
Buzzard. Let me try again. :)
- Patricia F. Anderson
Part One: [5:12] Perplexity Peccable: the "if we build it they will come" mentality [5:13] Verde Otaared: Yes, Lexi, amazing how many people try that [5:14] Perplexity Peccable: LOL, Verde. And they they blame the platform when they didn't bother to learn the culture or community standards
- Patricia F. Anderson
Part Two: [5:14] Dave Mearkus: I think Second Life is a perfect example -- vast swaths have been built, with no one there [5:14] Perplexity Peccable: /"seeding the community" Yes - tightly focused communities have proven very successful [5:15] Perplexity Peccable: Dave, same problem - they need to spend time to learn the culture as part of engagement process
- Patricia F. Anderson
Part Three: [5:15] ZHeather Zepp: are you guys ok if I copy the last comments into FriendFeed where they will be archived with other comments on session? [5:15] Dave Mearkus: No problem here [5:16] Perplexity Peccable: Heather, I can post my own :)
- Patricia F. Anderson
Cat herding: The challenges and rewards of managing online scientific communities: By Arikia Millikan, Corie Lok, Ijad Madisch
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Ariklia talks about the needs of bloggers from a scienceblogs.com perspective: technical support, analytics, identity.
- Martin Fenner
Technical needs being met for bloggers: thinking MT4... ;-)
- Heather
Ariklia briefly talks about her experience with flame wars.
- Martin Fenner
Formation of relationships... online and IRL... not clear what relationship is to cat herding?!
- Heather
Err, Heather - I've heard tales...
- Bob O'Hara
ah - community building. Corie unwittingly provided answer.
- Heather
Heather, how is Second Life doing? Can you hear the speakers clearly?
- Martin Fenner
Perfect, and someone even reoriented the camera so we can see panel speakers (it's small for me, but it works).
- Heather
Corie says manager presence and core group of key users vital for moderation and animation of site
- Heather
Heather, thanks a lot for live-blogging from abroad. That's a new experience.
- Martin Fenner
Having seeding people (I would call them evangelists) is important for online science communities to gain traction.
- Martin Fenner
Brief introduction to ResearchGate by Ijad Madisch.
- Martin Fenner
ResearchGate is currently focussing on tools for institutions, e.g. to create sub-communities.
- Martin Fenner
So many communities, so little time. Aggregation versus fragmentation.
- AJCann
Next step for ResearchGate: API that will allow scientists to add their own applications.
- Martin Fenner
Hmmm. Nature Network could do with an API.
- Bob O'Hara
30% of ResearchGate users log in at least once a month.
- Martin Fenner
Is "logging in" "active" in terms of community?
- AJCann
It's probably the old 90/9/1 rule where 1% of users are really active, and 9% use the service regularly.
- Martin Fenner
Scienceblogs.com used to have big problems with spam.
- Martin Fenner
Which is not to say that "lurkers" don't gain something, but they contribute little to "community".
- AJCann
Corie: no correlation between group size and level of activity.
- Martin Fenner
I think Sb solved the spam problem by breaking the commenting system. :-)
- Bob O'Hara
Private groups more active than public groups?
- AJCann
Corie: Collaborations seeded by online communities will take time to come to measurable fruition
- Heather
Corie: giving examples like GoogleDocs sum-up of use of FriendFeed Life Scientists' room.
- Heather
Ijad: Realtime feedback on ResearchGate good for lab troubleshooting when it's actually needed
- Heather
Question from audience - Social anthropology - correlation between group size and activity? Not only internal lawyers desirable but internal anthropologists also :-)
- Heather
Cemeron N requests social anthropology studies of online scientific communities. How do we know what works if we don't measure it?
- AJCann
survival of the fittest in online communities - if anyone could really project then someone would be making bucketloads of money
- Heather
Addition of aggregation functions - conflicts with the "filtering" argument?
- AJCann
The doc Corie mentioned is at http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc... .
- Daniel Mietchen
Blog post for this presentation up at http://themindwobbles.wordpress.com/2009...
- Allyson Lister
Bye! Won't be able to be back after lunch. Well done in particular Allyson and thanks to Daniel for posterity.
- Heather
Thanks for the coverage, have a good lunch, folks!
- Bob O'Hara
Hi everyone. Thanks for live-blogging. I hope this session was helpful or at least entertaining :)
- Arikia
Sb allows individual bloggers to set comment preferences. My comments are open, and so far the spam volume has been minimal. 'Course, mine is a young blog...
- D0r0th34
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