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Son of Groucho
BBC News - How 'OK' took over the world #language #ok -
BBC News - How 'OK' took over the world #language #ok
"It crops up in our speech dozens of times every day, although it apparently means little. So how did the word "OK" conquer the world, asks Allan Metcalf. "OK" is one of the most frequently used and recognised words in the world. It is also one of the oddest expressions ever invented. But this oddity may in large measure account for its popularity. It's odd-looking. It's a word that looks and sounds like an abbreviation, an acronym." - Son of Groucho from Bookmarklet
the word is actually "okay", not "OK". so much for research! - Big Joe Silence
Is it? - Alex Scrivener from iPhone
*waits for Alex to cite Wikipedia* - Big Joe Silence
People can check wikipedia themselves. - Alex Scrivener from iPhone
instead of doing real research? :P - Big Joe Silence
I love this conversation! - Son of Groucho
I have a BBC article around here somewhere... - Alex Scrivener from iPhone
The word actually is "okay". Uh, in case you guys aren't just horsing around... - Spidra Webster
Is it? - Alex Scrivener from iPhone
Alex must be stirring the shit cos i'm fairly certain he isn't poorly educated. - Big Joe Silence
Is he? - Big Joe Silence
I thought perhaps he was just a whippersnapper. Let me test: Alex, can you tell me what an "LP" is and what "LP" stands for? - Spidra Webster
Long play, as opposed to a 45 - Alex Scrivener from iPhone
Almost correct. "Long Playing" - Spidra Webster
Are you scared like a mouse? - Alex Scrivener from iPhone
did they ever come up with something to describe 78 or 16 other than the speeds? - Big Joe Silence
Actually, it was as opposed to a 78 album. Which is where the term album came from. - Spidra Webster
No because there's a difference between the recording format and the speed it's played/recorded at. You can have a 12" record that is played at 16rpm, for instance. - Spidra Webster
i have some old 16 RPM dialogue disks around here. my grandfather used to record interviews on them for broadcast when he was an engineer at WNBC. - Big Joe Silence
Every history of the English language I have ever read says OK has always been spelled that way. Maybe with .'s - Alex Scrivener from iPhone
then you haven't read much, Alex. - Big Joe Silence
guess what, Bill Bryson is wrong. - Big Joe Silence
Anyone have the OED entry handy? - Alex Scrivener from iPhone
Bill Bryson is also not an etymological authority. - Big Joe Silence
And who is? - Alex Scrivener from iPhone
every dictionary i've clapped my eyes on, including OED, lists "okay" with "OK" as a common substitute. - Big Joe Silence
Do they have the history of the word? - Alex Scrivener from iPhone
do you? obviously not. - Big Joe Silence
Apparently the BBC, Bryson, and Wikipedia aren't enough. - Alex Scrivener from iPhone
time for late breakfast. or, as Alex would call it, "BKFST". - Big Joe Silence
The OED uses "OK" as the main entry (although "okay" is listed as an alternative) and still cites the supposed derivation from "orl korrect". So I guess Wikipedia got it right? :D (It uses "okay" as the main entry, with "OK" as an alternative) - Victor Ganata
FWIW, Wikipedia says "okay" is correct. - Big Joe Silence
I'm not convinced one spelling has ever been more OK than the other :) - Victor Ganata
Interesting. Wikipedia lists it under "okay" but shows the first known written uses as "OK". The reason this surprises me is because writing teachers in school and various authorities (such as style guides) emphasized the use of "okay" over "OK". "OK" was thought to be a later abbreviation of the word. - Spidra Webster
nope, it was first. - Alex Scrivener from iPhone
Well, according to Wikipedia it is. I wish I had an OED on hand to corroborate. - Spidra Webster
What have I done? - Son of Groucho
I would assume the online OED doesn't stray that far from the print version. - Victor Ganata
@Gordon: IT'S WORD WAR I! - Big Joe Silence
It's interesting because the trend in English is to shorten as something becomes more colloquial. It's very unusual for something to be lengthened, e. g. "okay" "okeh" - Spidra Webster
I recommend Bryson's books. Lots of fun, little known history of the language. - Alex Scrivener from iPhone
are we talking about British English or American English here? - Big Joe Silence
Acc'g to Wikipedia, the first known written use is from an American document and it's "OK". - Spidra Webster
*polishes fingernails on lapel* - Alex Scrivener from iPhone
*snicker* And I was just going to congratulate you about how restrained you were being... - Spidra Webster
Maybe both okay and OK are OK or okay, dare I say? :-) - Son of Groucho
That WAS restrained. - Alex Scrivener from iPhone
They're definitely both okay according to all the sources we've consulted. It was merely a question of which came first. - Spidra Webster