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I really hate people who automatically DM after you follow them. -20 folks. Geesh.
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never have, never will...
- Justin Korn
Yes, have to agree there.
- Soso Sazesh
ditto to that, starting to block the really annoying marketing folks a lot more these days
- sean percival
Indeed the actual personable part of it is lost, because it becomes to damn mechanic otherwise.
- Raymond Marr aka Knatchwa
sometimes I catch useful links among them. really. :)
- Oguz Serdar
Do you mean a standard message sended by an app?
- Roberto
from iPhone
as a designer , I like the links ... the insight into ones mind whether real or imagined.
- Wsvdesign
I Have A Crush On ManBabies.com http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
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Hilarious
- Soso Sazesh
If it wasn't for an idiotic government I would never have met my wife, Maryam. Her family moved her out of Iran to escape the thugs. More:
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I thank the Iranian government every day for pushing her family to move her out of Iran.
- Robert Scoble
The stories she tells of dealing with government officials reminds me every day that I'm glad to be an American.
- Robert Scoble
Likewise, I would never have been born. My father moved here from Iran back in the 70s and met my mom.
- Soso Sazesh
Especially one living in Silicon Valley where more than 10,000 have decided to settle. There are SOME upsides to having crappy governments around the world. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I wanted to ask you if she still have family over there..
- glfceo
the shah was worse, which is why my grandfather left for England in 1925, unfortunately he passed on in 1978, but had returned to Iran towards the end of life.
- Prolific Programmer
from IM
makes me want to hear more of your perspective on this stuff, Robert
- Matt Searles
One of the thugs stopped her in the street when she was 13 and said "why are you smiling" and threatened her with caning if she kept it up. Her friend was caned for simply sitting in a car with a boy she wasn't married to (the boy was caned too).
- Robert Scoble
So glad I am a Briton and live in the finest country in the world :)
- David Lloyd
the shah killed my father's uncle in 1953
- Prolific Programmer
from IM
Mark: I'll be there in July. Hope to meet you.
- Robert Scoble
I had an Iranian girl friend named Layla, but she was from Paris. There's a very large Iranian community in Paris and most of them dream of returning to Iran
- paul mooney
Lots of fun things in Silicon Valley were built by Iranians, including eBay. Imagine if @pierre had stayed in Iran and had built eBay there?
- Robert Scoble
Paul: Maryam wants to visit Iran with me. I don't think that would be a good idea. I would be too tempted to tweet a photo of their nuclear plant or something like that.
- Robert Scoble
yep eBay in Iran - :)) - but I love Persian food - does your wife make kebabs and pilaves?
- glfceo
Do not go to that horrible place. You will regret it. There are reasons that everybody tries to get the hell out of there.
- Eric Sabban
Robert - where do you get your 10,000 Persians in Silicon Valley number? Just curious.
- Soso Sazesh
Every Iranian I've met who was born and raised there dreams of returning some day, but so long as the country is dominated by these horrible regimes (first the Shah, and now the "Islamic Republic") I doubt any of them will return any time soon, if ever. Which is sad, because they do miss their homeland. I'd feel the same way if I had to flee Canada.
- Chris Charabaruk
Just go, I saw a Rick Steves travel show the other night and he went to Iran and it was wonderful
- paul mooney
I had an engineering associate / friend in the late '70s whose family moved from Iran under the shah. He even changed his name to disasscoiate his past and heritage.
- Ron Hixson
Soso: every year for New Years they get together at local parks and there's thousands of them. I assume that not every one shows up at the park so I'm doing a little counting and a little inferring. I might be off a little.
- Robert Scoble
Eric: The government is horrible. The country is beautiful.
- Chris Charabaruk
paul: you'll notice how careful he was to not piss off the government types who were following him around. I'm used to that too, I have to deal with PR people at almost every company, but they don't carry guns. :-)
- Robert Scoble
@Scobleizer @pierre came to the US from Europe, IIRC.
- Prolific Programmer
@Mark agreed, Britain is the finest country on Earth! :)
- Prolific Programmer
i am following this election by reading news from Azerbaijan - Musavi is an ethnic Azeri...
- glfceo
We survived Bush and Chaney, the Iranian people will endure
- paul mooney
Robert - I was just curious. I am half Persian and know a lot of Persians here as well and have always wondered the number.
- Soso Sazesh
Same exact story for me with my Persian wife, Negar. I am a lucky man to have her.
- Dean Kakridas
while i was trying to look up the number of Persians in a valley i came across: Shirindokht Nourmanesh San Jose Persian Community Examiner - http://www.examiner.com/x-6568-...
- glfceo
And I would never have met my BFF and her family. Iranians are wonderful, generous, creative, resilient people. They'll get through this, but I hope for the young people (and for world relations) that the outcome is as they wish.
- Ayşe E.
I don't see anything wrong with Ahmedinejad... his comments re Zionism were spot on -- it does need to be wiped from this world
- Prolific Programmer
from IM
I too have made great friends that I love dearly from Iran. Iranians are the most wonderful people
- courtney benson
With all thats been going on in Iran since the election and for decades before it, I just hope that the Iranian people will one day find peace and happiness
- goutham
Goutham: you are so right - people have just one life and its sad to see them suffering instead of enjoying..
- glfceo
FYI: RT @michaelgregg, @stephenfry [Iranians] can access Twitter from 148.233.239.24 port 80 in Tehran—can avoid govt. filters. #IranElection via @jackyan (via Twitter)
- polou/indigo_bow
I like this thread Robert! You do know that you were 'supposed' to meet!
- Myrna
amazing to see all you sheeps!!!! come on guys... learn to think for yourselves... get over this superiority complex that states "we are better than them" with every word you speak and every action you make... that's exactly what makes getting along harder... try to understand their morals and their principles... they don't have to be the same as yours to be "right"!!! if iranians are evil, american's are dumb!!!!!!, and i'm not sure which is worse!
- simran
its so important that twitter moved their maintenance window that the tech blogs needed 2 posts - blah
Allen, I think it is pretty important given the context. If the maintenance was moved for no reason, I agree, no big deal would be necessary.
- Soso Sazesh
Message From Mousavi - http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_dai...
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- Soso Sazesh
CNN: you should be ashamed. Horrid news judgment today. Absolutely horrid.
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Totally agree. If it wasn't for the internet, I would have no idea what was going on in Iran.
- Derek Coward
about what? Iran? I've been at a car wash for my daughter all day
- andywergedal
Do elaborate
- Bryce Roney
I can't believe how bad CNN is.
- Robert Scoble
Yeah, ridiculous indeed.
- Soso Sazesh
People actually watch CNN?
- Jim Hague
I read conflicting reports that Mousavi has been arrested? Is this true or not?
- Carlton Prest
From what I've heard on the news updates- he has been taken into custody. This is not good.
- Jim Hague
CNN has been terrible forever. I follow them on twitter simply to see how much less informed I feel with every post.
- zzzz
Is there a link to the article or video?
- Ron Hixson
I gave up on CNN years ago.
- Steve Lowe
Huff Post has some pretty good coverage http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009...
- Soso Sazesh
Yes, no coverage of Iran. Larry King is on with stupid motorcycle show.
- Robert Scoble
What are we talking about here. Reference plz?
- Mitchell Schneider
the most amazing thing was filtering Twitter hashtag and watching the updates come in sometimes hundreds within 10-15 minutes periods. an incredible way to immerse into the real-time interest cloud.
- Thom Kennon
Robert, I came to the same conclusion of CNN years ago.
- Taylor Marek
I love this tweet from the CNN tweetbot: Tehran on fire"... "Palin vs. Letterman Who's Right?" with panel discussion {priorities: fail;}
- BryanSchuetz
We are talking about Iran's election outrage
- Soso Sazesh
There is a letter from Mousavi in both Farsi & English circulated for hours. He is under house arrest. There are reports of Ministries on Fire. Twitter has been lit up for hours.
- Donald Wilson
One of Australia's sunday morning TV shows wasn't any better, it's lead story was that a bank was introducing muslim-friendly loans
- Bryce Roney
The real-time coverage from Tehran today was on Twitter http://twitter.com/jimsciu...
- Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct
Let's agree that most TV news networks decided long ago that they would control the news. Remember swine flu? People blame the fuss about that on Twitter, yet it died everywhere as soon as the MSM stopped making it a big deal.
- Carlton Prest
Blogs have been active, but TV networks have been dead. Including CBC in Canada. Unbelievable!
- Donald Wilson
Pavan - they did nothing and they should have
- Soso Sazesh
A brilliant guy at my gym, a BU professor, refuses to work out to CNN, insists we change the channel.
- Halley Suitt
So hard to believe we have to go to Twitter to stay on top of such important news as the protests in Iran.
- AirDye®
That gym prof has the right idea.
- zzzz
What the hell's going on with the US media. The unrest resulting from the Iranian election IS IMPORTANT!
- Don Whittaker
How great to actually see some WOMEN in the streets!
- Halley Suitt
@don they are too busy working out who would win in a fight between Sarah Palin and David letterman
- BryanSchuetz
It's the weekend. There is no one in the newsroom on the weekend. When I worked there, we had to absolutely drag someone in for the Princess Diana accident...the community was going nuts and there we were, with no broadcast news, no confirmation, no nothing.
- Karoli
Were the elections free and fair?
- David Lloyd
Front page on Foxnews.com http://www.foxnews.com/story...
- Kirk Harnack
Not according to the letter from Mousavi, and from reports coming from Iran.
- Donald Wilson
@Mark They were corrupt beyond farcical http://twitter.com/jimsciu...
- Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct
Livestation.com. You can watch France 24, Al Jazeera English, Euronews and Press TV, the Iranian propaganda channel. Coverage on all of those
- Andrew Leyden
I have to say the Nambu search ( searches twitter, friendfeed, one riot, yahoo news) has been great for keeping on top of this, and it's essentially real-time: http://img.skitch.com/2009061...
- BryanSchuetz
So....are you all (we) making MSM obsolete?
- Cynthia Chrysler
RT @mistabaka Follow this blog http://is.gd/113ss for amazing pics/vid of #IranElection Pls RT. 5 hours ago
- Donald Wilson
so far I think the best coverage is here: http://shooresh1917.blogspot.com/ - and he has more on his facebook page
- glfceo
wut's going on folks?
- Eric Nakagawa
CNN is a mock news feed. It's a misinformation provider.
- troglodyte
It isn't just CNN. If you look at online newspapers and other outlets before going to bed tonight you'd walk away with a different story and all sorts of analysis about how we will continue to deal with the old regime. That still may be the case, but you can tell this was a
- Warner Crocker
Go to Monitter.com (a great site, btw) and type the Twitter search terms in. You can watch them come in real time, no refreshing.
- Obayoo
con't... we're out of here for the weekend story.
- Warner Crocker
CNN does have this on their site: http://www.cnn.com/2009...
- invariant
We don't bother with broadcast TV, so I can't watch any of the stations, but http://www.bbc.co.uk/ currently has it listed as the top news story, as does http://www.cbc.ca/news/ both with firey photos.
- David Sky
CNN has access to Twitter and more. So why can't they give the proper attention to this story?
- Donald Wilson
It's actually all so called TV news outlets. Internet is a better source of news. To be fair though, sometimes, on duty journalists/editors do not have the last say in what's covered as 'news'. Simple politics and ratings. I usually tune in to UK TV channels than I do US for news, that too very rarely. Sad but true.
- Moushumi Kabir
photos from the Tehran http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Johni Fisher
I see more news from my Iranian friends than news TV news outlets.
- Moushumi Kabir
Cnn lost.
- Stalyn☂
My last thought on this, no matter what happens, US definitely needs to stay out. It's Iran's internal matter just as 2004 re-election of Bush was our internal matter. As shocking as it was to the rest of the world (I still struggle with the fact ppl I know actually voted for him - twice!!), US did vote for Bush the second time.
- Moushumi Kabir
For people interested in tracking what is happening regarding the irannian election on Twitter, here is a dashboard: http://www.twazzup.com/search... An amazing showcase of how new forms of communication make it much harder for dictatorships to control people!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
It's difficult to get a right news even for me who know Persian, Iranian Tv doesn't support anything about street riots at all, Face book and You tube are filtered over there! No SMS! No mobile, even FF is filtered for them ! :|
- Shandiz
sucks to live in a country without freedom :(
- David Lloyd
Agree w/ Moushumi Kabir!US MUST stay out of this.
- Shandiz
"Horrid coverage" -- otherwise known as typical. Shame shame!
- Andy Sternberg
from fftogo
Good "on the ground" coverage over at allvoices http://www.allvoices.com/Iran
- Joel Richman
What did CNN do-so horridly...is that a word. That's twice in 2 weeks.
- politics news
Download Livestation to see more coverage
- Eric Haber
from Nambu
re: Teriss - comparing cnn.com to twazzup.com at 10:08 PM Central, CNN has NO MENTION of Iran and twazzup has 3 of 10 Hot Topics about Iran ... looks like CNN is NOT the place to find 'Breaking News'.
- Don Strickland
Really strange.
- Jim Hague
I really like Don Lemon but he seems to think CNN isn't doing anything wrong, which bugs me. http://twitter.com/donlemoncnn
- Shawn Farner
CNN finally pipes up and mentions Facebook pictures inciting violence in Iran - but no update. Oh, yeah, and the fact that access to internet has been cut off. Is that the only news?Now on to the Letterman/Palin fight! I am heading back to online updates.
- Liza + = ?
I often find US cable TV insular when it comes to foreign affairs - coverage of Barack Obama's recent speech in Egypt was a case in point. But CNN ignoring the Iranian protests is shameful.
- Peter Dowley
Track now in real-time http://iran.twazzup.com/
- Edwin Khodabakchian
I was always kinda of excited about the prospect of a 24 hour news network. Imagine how many more stories or how much more in-depth you could got on a single item. That really didn't happen. Covering stories, particularly any story happening outside NY or LA, is expensive. So we saw CNN put on a bunch of shows with pundits. They leaned to the left, so FOX could come along and lean to...
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- Matthew McCowan
Twitter is susceptible to manipulation by propagandists--for example the protests in Moldavia. In that case it was a legit election that the protesters just didn't like the result of. A flash mob does not a majority make.
- Joe Knapp
Joe: good point, but many of us didn't fall for that crap and even then it cleaned itself out pretty quickly.
- Robert Scoble
CNN died in 2001, when Tom Johnson retired. Quite a few of the top talent left around the same time, not wanting to be part of Jamie Kellner's efforts to be more like FOX. Cable "news" is a ghetto, and I never, ever, ever turn it on. Robert, you'll enjoy this: http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_dai...
- John Craft
Photos from Iran http://twitpic.com/photos...
- Johni Fisher
Looks like CNN is finally picking up the coverage today. Christiane Amanpour is live in Teheran.
- Nils Sandin
Just starring to catch up to last nights events. Amazing the lack of big media coverage on Iran.
- Robert Wilkins
Been watching CNN International in China for two days and I can't agree with you. The reporting seems to be matching what I'm seeing on BBC and reading in NYTimes and Twitter. Saying they should be "ashamed" is a bit invective.
- David Geller
"CNN International . . . seems to be matching what I'm seeing on BBC and reading in NYTimes and Twitter." - CNN-I is a totally separate production team, and has a totally different business model from CNN-"Domestic."
- John Craft
Crowds gather for Ahmadinejad victory rally http://news.bbc.co.uk/1...
- David Lloyd
http://www.thenation.com/blogs... - "Iran's Ex-Foreign Minister Yazdi: It's A Coup"
- John Craft
Robert Scoble: three bloggers have been on top of Iran developments: Andrew Sullivan, Juan Cole and Robert Dreyfuss. It seems safe to say now that we have just witnessed a coup in Iran.
- Sean McBride
Other interesting reports http://sambrook.typepad.com/sacredf...
- Johni Fisher
Amazing video from the BBC of the demonstrations. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2...
- Joe Wood
What's new?
- Kreg Steppe
Yep, "CNN- The Lamest International News Team on Television"
- Dean Kakridas
CNN: Cable No News network.
- Robert Scoble
interwebz wins again!
- stefan
who makes the decisions over there at Cnn?
- Denise
All these comments are so stupid and ill-informed. Not a single one of you has ever tried to take a camera crew into a totalitarian country. I have. You don't just walk around. Easy to twitter for one person. Very hard to get pictures! Go and try it, and until then. Shut up!
- Prokofy Neva
@Sean, i agree we have witnessed a coup--the sustained fight lasting a week with people in the street every day, making police run away, NYT editorial by Reuel Marc Gerecth has a good analysis of what it means, and AlJazeera http://www.youtube.com/watch... has a good analysis. the action on the streets is having a huge effect, not just on Iran but on the Middle East.
- Eleanor Wynn
Prokofy Neva, agreed that no new organizations can get in there, but any of the news channels could rebroadcast key videos, photographs and analysis of this very major geopolitical event--it is really disgusting to go through the TV channels and see the dreck that is on when something major is happening--our local news channels will cover a weather event non-stop, why doesn't a major channel cover this/
- Eleanor Wynn
the citizen journalism tells the story in a way noone else could. you are right there in the middle of the crowd with all the changes of pace and direction, the shaky camera itself tells a story and the sounds. it is like actually being there--that is why the twitter and youtube coverage is the real coverage--they don't have to process, package and add a local angle to it that waters down the effect
- Eleanor Wynn
Building43 Launch Party http://m.kyte.tv/ch...
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Congratulations Robert and team...
- Amit Nangare
Congrats!!!!!!
- glfceo
Congrats!
- Soso Sazesh
Congratulations Rocky & Robert, have a great party!
- travispuk
Congrats to everyone involved! Can't wait to see how this turns out.
- Chris Pugh
Congrats !!! Can't believe I'm still awake. LOL. It's 2:30 am, and now I hear the site will go live in about half an hour.
- Nir Ben Yona
Congrats Robert!
- Michael Fidler
wow, tuning in on the party. Congratulations & Cheers!
- Jacob
No audio?
- Byron McCollum
They are on a break now.
- Nir Ben Yona
back
- Byron McCollum
I'm excited to see how this goes. Congrats Robert and the Building43 crew!
- Obayoo
Hmm -- I assumed the launch party would indicate a launch = website unveiling? It seems not.
- Brian Sullivan
Greetings from preschool graduation, wish I could join you! Have fun :).
- Denise Howell
I guess I just went there too early -- I see the website is now live.
- Brian Sullivan
"The scary part is that not all bloggers have your mindset (or lack of commercialization), and inevitably this type of PR will become more common."
- Soso Sazesh
Re: PR Pitches Promise to Trade Diggs for Coverage - louisgray.com - http://live.louisgray.com/2009...
"The scary part is that not all bloggers have your mindset (or lack of commercialization), and inevitably this type of PR will become more common."
- Soso Sazesh
"The scary part is that not all bloggers have your mindset (or lack of commercialization), and inevitably this type of PR will become more common."
- Soso Sazesh
"The scary part is that not all bloggers have your mindset (or lack of commercialization), and inevitably this type of PR will become more common."
- Soso Sazesh
Re: PR Pitches Promise to Trade Diggs for Coverage - louisgray.com - http://www.louisgray.com/live...
"The scary part is that not all bloggers have your mindset (or lack of commercialization), and inevitably this type of PR will become more common."
- Soso Sazesh
Sometime in next 24 hours I will pass 34,000 followers on friendfeed. Is Twitter follower better than a friendfeed one?
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I get more discussion from my followers on FriendFeed than Twitter
- Jesse Stay
My answer: no. Why? Friendfeed users are more engaging.
- Robert Scoble
Actually to restate, FriendFeed allows followers to be more engaging
- Kiran Patchigolla
Depends on your goals. Are you a broadcaster or an engager?
- Mark Krynsky
Jesse: how can we prove that? By the way I got to 34,000 a lot faster on friendfeed than on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
I just got twitter today! Of course Scoble was one of the first ones I chose to folow :D
- Angus Burton
I seem to get more engagement from twitter followers
- Tony C
A follow in ff is better, because many ff's don't easily give it.
- Michael Fidler
Ahsan: I agree with you there. Passive followers are equal, but engaged FF followers are much more valuable to me. Most seem more considered in their conversation and opinions
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
...let's get @Scoble to 1 million FF followers... before Ashton Kutcher figures this thing out! <wink>
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Robert: Getting to high numbers on FF with the level of integration with Twitter seems a natural. I would be surprised if that rate was actually even close. I wonder how fast you would have achieved the numbers here without the Twitter following you already had.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Majority of twitter followers are spam and people who sign up and login once. I love how you bait us Scoble.
- Matthew
Mark: Also very correct. Broadcasting is perfectly acceptable on Twitter, whereas you won't get very far here just doing that.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
FF follower is better. I even started importing twitter feeds of my fav frnds who r not on FF yet.
- Roshan Ramachandran
I get more engagement from twitter followers, but the quality of the engagement overall is much lower on twitter. It's "chatty" rather than the more intellectual "engagement of my ideas" (as Robert put it in the beg for followers thread)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Noone has even heard of friendfeed...
- tojfs7931
tojfs7931: who are you talking to then? ;)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I have a larger number of followers on Twitter than FF but get way more comments and engagement here.
- Mark Krynsky
Aren't "Followers" exclusive to Twitter? (semantics--I know)
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
I was watching your feed the other night, and it wasn't that bad, but right now it's moving fast! I know you filter yours, so I'm sure it's a completely different experience. It's a great place to find new people to follow though. http://beta.friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Michael Fidler
The other thing I noticed is that here I am getting to know people a lot better especially regulars. Oh, and I am manually following a LOT more here.
- Robert Scoble
I don't have an auto-follow for FF, and so I'm paying more attention to the content as I subscribe to someone's feed
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Am not getting much subscribers on friendfeed. :( I don't know how it works!
- Mohammad Abdurraafay
watching this discussion in beta is great.. find it easier than having to go the hashtag route on Twitter
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
I will say that it's taking a little bit longer to get the momentum up here, and get to the same level of followers on FF as I had at the same point on twitter, but I expect after a certain critical mass that will change
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I think that has to do with the level of conversation and engagement that I give (and is expected) here.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I think there can be limited exchanges on Twitter, but no real discussions. Here, there are discussions.
- Kathy Fitch
and the lack of spammers
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Rob, see I have this awesome thing to sell you, and it's . . . .
- Kathy Fitch
kidding
- Kathy Fitch
The only following I try to be good at is in dancing...
- Paula W
On a numerical view only, having more is always important. What you'll do with it is a whole different story.
- Rodrigo Jaroszewski
go ahead, Kathy, try to sell me something. Especially some twitter secrets. I love those.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Thanks for sub'ing my FF Robert! :)
- Roshan Ramachandran
I am following everyone who commented here. Thank you all for making my life better.
- Robert Scoble
Oh, gosh, even the auto greetings are awful, aren't they: "Hi, friend--I can get you seventy bazillion followers in a snap!" Sigh.
- Kathy Fitch
A different kind of audience, though.
- Kathy Fitch
Thanks for thinking that way Robert. I like that about you. That, in my opinion, is what social media, and really the internet as a whole, is for really.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Twitter is already mainstream, FriendFeed is not, that's why FriendFeed follower is much better than Twitter follower, IMHO.
- Pavlo Zahozhenko
Robert for all the reasons you have previously described and more FriendFeed is the superior experience. Number one being the architecture. It seems the culture of FriendFeed is developing in a more positive, engaging, thoughtful way because of this factor.
- Aidan Mann
Ahsan, I don't think it's the sort of thing that rules really manages. People always find a way to game the economy of a system.
- Kathy Fitch
Sometime in the next 24 hours, you will see a Fail Whale. But not here.
- Louis Gray
Louis: haha...I don't use the infernal web site over there...so not likely ;) I don't use tweedeck anymore so I don't get "twitter problem, tweet not sent"....peoplebrowsr just waits for it
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Not that rules don't have an impact, but . . .I like to see a thing emerge as it will. In list days, the most moderated of them tended to fail, the freewheelers didn't. What's odd on Twitter is that everyone seems to be looking to sell . . .twitter!
- Kathy Fitch
Ahsan, how would that reduce spam? I can make a curl based spambot just as easily
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I see what you mean, Ahsan, but then that's a rule, right--apps can't access the DM.
- Kathy Fitch
Like the recent cap on follow back numbers
- Kathy Fitch
they work via the web, curl just accesses the web right?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
This Friendfeed V Twitter nonsense is getting tiresome. You're beginning to sound elitist. There's room for both and you don't have to use Twitter.
- Gilbert Harding
Right, Ahsan, we're talking the same thing from two different angles.
- Kathy Fitch
I use both
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
for different purposes now
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Ahsan I'm not sure what you're driving at....the point was 3rd party API access to DMs on twitter produces more spam...I don't see how that is the case.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Do you have the most on FF Robert?
- Andrew Leahey
Hmm. Well, part of the benefit of FF is that it integrates Twitter. That seeds a lot of the conversation here. Doesn't seem elitist to note that those conversations require this kind of interface. Just can't thrive there in quite this way.
- Kathy Fitch
I see what Ahsan is saying--if they didn't have access, then they couldn't push the spammy greetings.
- Kathy Fitch
FF has one HUGE drawback, though.
- Kathy Fitch
hm..I'm not sure, BUT, I did see a bunch of developers trying to get "mass DM" access via the API on the google group.....so - it does have that potential (or at least the desire for it)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
It's just way too engaging.
- Kathy Fitch
Absolutely not. An *active* FFer is a truly social follower, commenting and conversing (now in realtime), as opposed to the occasional reply on the megaphoning medium known as Twitter.
- Mo Kargas
Kathy: what I said about using a curl based spam bot to spam greet still stands...send it like any dm from the web site
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Amen Ahsan
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Grinning at Mo--megaphoning is a good word. I've started thinking of it as an echo chamber too. (RT too, RT too, RT too)
- Kathy Fitch
ever since this discussion started I got 1 follower on Twitter & 4 on FF.... at do u guys think abt that?
- Roshan Ramachandran
Right, Rob--that's what I mean. People find a way. Why, I'm the best friend of a *whole* lot of people now. Truly, the DM greetings would make a great study. There's a whole dissertation in that, alone.
- Kathy Fitch
@Ahsan Hmm? I'm lost, which service are you talking about? I find FF far easier to hold a conversation on is my main point
- Mo Kargas
Roshan, I think you are now on my favorites list, that's what I think!
- Kathy Fitch
Kathy, I am honoured! :)
- Roshan Ramachandran
@Ahsan - Ahh, absolutely
- Mo Kargas
The honor is all mine, I'm sure. You know, we really couldn't do this there, that's plain as day.
- Kathy Fitch
It is interesting to see the cynical comments here. Blog post is rattling in my head.
- Robert Scoble
Naysayers be damned, we like FF.
- Andrew Leahey
Blink. I haven't a cynical bone in my whole body.
- Kathy Fitch
@Robert If I'm coming across as cynical, it's probably because I've become attached to FF. An 'evangelist', if you will :)
- Mo Kargas
It's OK Mo... I'm a straight out fanboi ( and I'm not ashamed of it either :D )
- Johnny
Go Robert! I like it wen something rattles in ur head...LOL
- Roshan Ramachandran
Apparently, just commenting on your post attracts followers. I just picked up two more.
- Michael Fidler
Three, Michael!
- Kathy Fitch
Many thanks Ahsan =)
- Andrew Leahey
I don't think it's cynical at all simply to be observant, though.
- Kathy Fitch
I like Twitter. I got me here, so there's that. It is fitting, isn't it, Ahsan?
- Kathy Fitch
Andrew: yeah, I have most followers here. I was on top on Twitter for first two years too. When I am not on top you will know the mainstream is showing up in droves.
- Robert Scoble
heh. I followed everyone ;) (actually I was following most of you already)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Rob: me too.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Yeah, I think Twitter has gone downhill since you and Leo left the top spot(s). Oprah and Kutcher were just the final straws.
- Andrew Leahey
friendfeed it just struck me is micro-blogging at its finest
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
Mainstream could be better here than on twitter. The attitude here is much different. (from the top management on down)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
It'll be interesting to see how many followers you get organically prior to FF going mainstream.
- Andrew Leahey
Multi-stream.
- Kathy Fitch
It isn't necessary to follow the hollywood celebs. I don't.
- Kathy Fitch
Robert, do you follow all of your followers? If so, how do you keep up with all of that info, especially in real-time?
- Soso Sazesh
:-) Robert
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Oh man, if you don't follow the celebs you don't get to find out how insane they are. With their pseudoinspirational mumbo jumbo.
- Andrew Leahey
Rob: I agree with that. Friendfeed's team is far superior technically.
- Robert Scoble
Soso: I only follow the good ones. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Not just technically....their attitude is better. They care more about how people "feel"
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Just from a user's perspective I'd have to agree, haven't seen a fail whale yet. Twitter definitely had growing pains by this point.
- Andrew Leahey
Andrew, there's a lot of that, for sure, even among non-celebs. I tell you, I suddenly despise inspirational quotes.
- Kathy Fitch
A typical FF follower is likely more advanced these days. But a friend is a friend, isn't he? :)
- Yuri Alkin
Kathy: I love when they encourage you to tweet out abstract emotions. "Let's give out some twitter love!"
- Andrew Leahey
(Note: that's not cynicism, that's just overload!)
- Kathy Fitch
I'm waiting for the chainletters that I need to reply to with snopes.com links.
- Andrew Leahey
Andrew: Twitter had major problems when I had just 1,500 followers.
- Robert Scoble
On the other hand, I follow one of our local tv weather guys, and, you know what? He's awesome! You just never can tell.
- Kathy Fitch
Oh, Andrew, I've already pulled snopes on someone.
- Kathy Fitch
As gently as possible--hate to see someone be taken, you know?
- Kathy Fitch
Soso: It's not as hard as you might thing to digest large amounts of data. Breaking it up in to bite sized chunks and watching several feeds at onces goes a long way...
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Robert: Do you think FF not having those issues yet is an architectural thing? Did they just build it more scalable?
- Andrew Leahey
Indeed Kathy
- Andrew Leahey
Selective scan and dip--it's an art. I do like the flow on Twitter. I enjoy the *overallness* of it, if that makes sense.
- Kathy Fitch
Rob: That makes sense. But the real-time factor blows my mind. It's very engaging but very time consuming.
- Soso Sazesh
Very hard to have discussion among many multiple people on Twitter
- Taehoon Kim
The only thing they aren't doing that Twitter does is SMS, I can't really imagine that being the source of all their issues.
- Andrew Leahey
Ahsan: I'm seeing my twitter followers show up here quickly...The real ones, at least
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Soso: I agree, sometimes I feel like the limitations of Twitter are a blessing. Character counts, API calls that force my clients to only update every minute or minute and a half. Gives me some time to get work done.
- Andrew Leahey
Soso: it is time consuming, and that's why you have to break it up with lists and filters. And you have to use your time wisely
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
True, Taehoon--discussion isn't really possible in the infrastructure of it. There's no space that will keep it connected. Here, it both flows and stays--you can return to it later.
- Kathy Fitch
Ahsan: Definitely, I was just questioning what made Twitter hit their glass ceiling so early with failwhales and the like.
- Andrew Leahey
Ahsan, I had family who lived in the UAE for quite a few years, and hated to leave.
- Kathy Fitch
Andrew: Exactly. It begs the question whether the trend towards real time is truly an "advancement"
- Soso Sazesh
These things take time to build. I think down the road, we'll all be thankful that friendFeed has taken the slow growth approach...that will win the race for them ...the strongest companies don't grow explosively usually
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Robert ...you are intuitive I will always give yxou that over everyone else. :) I need to send you something ..is it okay?
- Phil Butler
Soso--I like that the real time aspect here is *part* of it. I keep coming back to that as a central part of the appeal--it flows *and* stays put. It emerges *and* is instantly archived.
- Kathy Fitch
Rob: Very much agree on using time wisely.
- Soso Sazesh
I haven't decided what I think about how easily the whole thing can be edited though.
- Kathy Fitch
The real-time'ness makes you want to discuss more and more often than you would normally do on Twitter
- Taehoon Kim
And gone again.
- Kathy Fitch
Phil: sure! My email is scobleizer@gmail.com
- Robert Scoble
So that's a little . . . potentially jarring.
- Kathy Fitch
A follower is a follower, whether they contribute is what counts
- Bryce Roney
Seems to me on Twitter people are following for the sake of following, and are trying to gain followers. Friendfeeders follow because of the content i think. When a Friendfeeder comes floating to the top a couple of times it gets my attention and i take a look at their feed.
- Willem (@wim66) ☠
Uh, most of my friends just disappear when I start talking this way.
- Kathy Fitch
Kathy: That's very true. I guess you could say equivalent to saving IM conversations.
- Soso Sazesh
I have a colleague who calls it "the dome of silence" that descends whenever geeks start going all tech enthusiastic.
- Kathy Fitch
Ahsan, no, I mean my close to home day-to-day non tech oriented friends just don't get this at all. Actually, this reminds me most strongly of MOO interaction in a text based MOO.
- Kathy Fitch
Here, I virtually qualify as a non-tech nerd compared to many who are far more experienced, and I just love the heck out of that. It's such a relief. So fun.
- Kathy Fitch
So here's an interesting observation: I found more followers in this thread than the "beg for followers" thread the other day. At less than half the comments
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Ergo: a tweet just ain't no feed.
- Willem (@wim66) ☠
starve a tweet, feed a friend?
- Kathy Fitch
heh.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Ahsan: Not yet but soon.
- Soso Sazesh
@Rob I read your comments earlier about following everyone, so I knew you didn't have time to check everyone's stream. However, I would have appreciated more, if you did.
- Michael Fidler
Haven't seen any pesky MLM marketers among my FriendFeed followers.
- Nir Ben Yona
For one... FriendFeed followers, at least the active ones, have longer attention spans. ;-)
- Nenad Nikolic
@Nir +10
- Michael Fidler
Friendfeed is just a web forum on steroids. Web forums were for people who couldn't handle Usenet.
- Gilbert Harding
@Gilbert: haven't seen a forum where you can toss in YouTube or Vimeo videos.
- Nir Ben Yona
I'm very close to giving up on Twitter. I haven't got enough followers to make it worthwhile and feel that i actually get a chance for interaction on FF. Twitter is a public access TV station that all the stars want to be on
- Jamie Vidamour
I'm with you on this Jamie, I have way more interaction on FF than twitter.
- Andy
On twitter you are a DJ talking between songs, transmitting brief messages. On FF everybody can follow a conversation. Some end using FF as IRC and some conversations might be boring. No hard rules for what's best.
- Michele Costabile
I'm still trying to figure out how to even use FriendFeed properly... :/
- Geoff Jackson
For me it's a ratio of 10:1. I'd be very very happy if my real Twitter follows would all join us here.
- Kevin Gamble
Definitely! At least, you'll know which reply comes to which post :)
- Krishnamoorthy
Nir Ben Yona. It's a web forum on steroids. FF is not intuitive to use. For example responding to your post isn't as straightforward as it would be on Usenet, Twitter or even an old fashioned BB based web forum.
- Gilbert Harding
That depends on what you mean by "better".
- Kevin Eklund
Gilbert: if you take 2 simple rooms, one is empty or filled with regular people and the other one houses very interesting members that can generate priceless information within the chamber - without any doubt, the second will always be more attractive and valuable - either you call it Usenet, FriendFeed, IRC or Scobleisure.
- Nir Ben Yona
Nir Ben Yona I agree, but FF is still not as intuitive to use as other forums. Replying to comments here is a "how the hell do I do that?" issue. And the comments are in time order, not threaded, so this response to you will not necessarily appear adjacent to the comment I'm responding to.
- Gilbert Harding
@Gilbert Harding : Threaded comments would be great addition to FF. But, in Twitter you wont even know for what post your a reply :).
- Krishnamoorthy
No.
- Anthony Citrano
from BuddyFeed
Krishnamoorthy.K That depends on the Twitter app you use. Nambu and Tweetie on the Mac have threading capabilities. I'm sure others will have in future.
- Gilbert Harding
I get much better feedback on FriendFeed, compared to Twitter. However, FriendFeed users are far, far less likely to click through to my blogs than Twitter users. It seems that with FriendFeed, the conversation stays here, because it's so much easier to 'chat' here than it is on Twiter.
- Jim Connolly
With FF I feel like I have had to "earn" my subscribers. On Twitter, notsomuch.
- Gunnyman™
Jim, you could always link from a blog post to the discussion here. (I think I'm actually more likely to click through here, btw.)
- Kathy Fitch
I moved to FF because, while there are many worthwhile people I'm following on Twitter, there are too many of them for me to get a sense of conversation. About a year ago (which is FOREVER in social media terms), I couldn't stay away from Twitter because I had a small following list and could keep up. Can't do it now. Oh, and thanks from me too re: the tip on unfollowing on Twitter some or all of those to whom I subscribe here.
- Heather
I am not sure, but I am starting to really like friendfeed.
- Adam Martin
Friendfeed is more engaging. There's also less clutter on the screen when I reply in Friendfeed. Too many @ replies in my Twitter feed annoys me.
- Valley
Neither has any meaning
- Bob Walder
Friendfeed followers are way better, more discussion, liking, comments, etc
- Ryan
ff seems just more social. Twitter is not, but it feels more one way.
- Chris Gardner
It's harder to build followers on ff due to lack of auto-follow. So ff followers are more valuable since they've usually chosen to follow you because they want to hear what you have to say. This means they'll be more likely to pay attention and engage in conversation. Auto-followers on twitter aren't discriminating. And I've found following someone on ff to be far more useful.
- Mike Elliott
Rob Nelson: Kudos!: I get more engagement from twitter followers, but the quality of the engagement overall is much lower on twitter. It's "chatty" rather than the more intellectual "engagement of my ideas" (as Robert put it in the beg for followers thread) - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
- Tony C
It's also a bit harder to figure out who to follow on ff, I feel a bit like I did on Twitter for the first year, blind and i the dark.
- Peggy Dolane
One thing I've noticed. Robert's Likes on a blog post get a lot more clicks from Twitter (he sends his Likes there) than on FriendFeed. Not sure what to make of that.
- Hutch Carpenter
Re: Geocities - http://www.avc.com/a_vc...
"This was really an insightful post. Thanks for sharing all that info."
- Soso Sazesh
Re: Geocities - http://avc.disqus.com/geociti...
"This was really an insightful post. Thanks for sharing all that info."
- Soso Sazesh
Re: Geocities - http://www.disqus.com/people...
"This was really an insightful post. Thanks for sharing all that info."
- Soso Sazesh
morning re-twitter: it took him 25 years to design his ultimate business card & he's going to tell you how great it is http://laughingsquid.com/it-took...
Julio Vasconcellos and Soso Sazesh liked this
That guy is awesome on so many levels
- Soso Sazesh
hilarious
- nouhad
I am getting so many more comments on Friendfeed than my blog I want them back on my blog. @danielha is cooking this in Disqus, great news!
Kate Foy, Svartling, Fred Neil and 11 other people liked this
just add the wordpress friendfeed plugin...
- Luca Filigheddu
you're one of my favorite people to follow, if only because you're so active in so many different communities.
- Pat Hawks
thanks Pat. Luca, my blog is actually on TypePad and I use Disqus comments on it.
- Loic Le Meur
Yes, a big tradeoff here: better conversation and interaction but less traffic and convo ownership.
- Soso Sazesh
I hear you! Read this blogpost about it http://peckpack.com/2008...
- Dave Peck
right same need for me on blogger. when is Disqus coming out with FF comments?
- Simone
For something that didn't look much in the beginning FF sure is becoming quite disruptive.
- Jon Dillon
Hey, this IS good news :)
- jjprojects
Disqus automatically integrating FF comments would be great.
- Kevin Bondelli
I don’t believe it is ethical to claim comments back from people who write them on FriendFeed. This means imposing power on your readers. If people want to comment on your blog, they can do it but that is not their preference. And you are not asking people if they want their comments to be seen on your blog.
- Kerem Ozkan
I don't care where it takes place. I', just happy to have a good conversation.
- shelisrael1
Though, if it weren't for friendfeed, many folks like me probably wouldn't see it to start with.
- adam christensen
but to comment on FF is so much more easier and faster...it's Twhirl fault !!
- Jean-François Amadei
from twhirl
Yeah, the same for me. I've installed the WP plugin, but it keeps telling me there aren't comments on FriendFeed.
- Gianluca Neri
from twhirl
Guess it might be too late to capitalize on my Disqus-friendfeed comment combiner, huh?
- Kevin L
+1 shel
- Shey
i made a spoof of winelibrarytv - it's pretty cheesy :) http://www.viddler.com/explore...
Soso Sazesh liked this
Funny stuff!
- Soso Sazesh
people seem to like the opensocial reference :)
- Allen Stern
John McCain: ‘I hate the bloggers’ - http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008...
João Almeida, Gaby K. Slezák, Chris and 14 other people liked this
OK, so I'm not trying to be political with this, but SERIOUSLY?! That was a stupid stupid thing to say.
- Veronica
Well, bloggers hate you too, old man!
- Dillon K. Hoops
Long thread on this over here: http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Ken Sheppardson
These kids today with their blargs! Off my lawn, ya darn kids!
- Leon
Bjorn - so? in this day and age where anything a candidate says can be used against them or taken out of context, they need to watch what they say.
- Veronica
One short clip taken out of context. Good fuel for the haters in the world.
- William Beem
I don't hate McCain, actually. There are worse options out there than McCain. But saying you hate an extremely vocal community isn't good campaigning.
- Veronica
Why would he, even jokingly, say he "hates the bloggers" if he didn't in some way believe that to be true? It's like an offhand comment, like he thinks no one would even care enough to be bothered by it. So flippant.
- Veronica
@Veronica It's impossible to "watch what you say". Everything and anything can be taken out of context to be used against you.
- Shey
"I hate such and such" is not a statement that can be taken out of context, imho.
- Veronica
It's a short clip designed to highlight ONE comment. What was the context for the conversation? It doesn't matter to the people who are trying to find ways to hate on a man. My guess it's people who do stuff like that who were the topic of his conversation.
- William Beem
It was definitely a joke, but bloggers are very easily irritated, so maybe it wasn't the best move. I don't think it will hurt him too bad though.
- Harrison Hoffman
We're ornery like that.
- Veronica
@Veronica ??? What? It doesn't matter what he said. They took it out of the original context. Even then it was obvious he was making a joke.
- Shey
the head of the library association said this like 2 years ago and it did not go well for him.
- Stefan Hayden
ty shey - it was a joke people - I realize that given his previous regrettable statements about his tech illiteracy that this is the worst joke he could have made in the eyes of this community but for goodness sakes. Between rising energy costs, our economy, the war, Iran, N Korea - we have PLENTY of things that need serious debate right now - do we really need to take a joke and accuse McCain (as I saw on another thread) of jking this way bcause he is agnst the rights of indviuals to freely exprss thmslvs?
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
[Posted this in the parallel conversation over on Scoble's link to the same story. Sigh. I hate FriendFeed] Just dug up this from his Liberty University commencement address back in 2006. Summary: He really does hate bloggers ;-) http://kshep.posterous.com/mccain-...
- Ken Sheppardson
Well, do you expect anything less from John McCain? Does he know what a blog or blogger is? I mean, he doesn't use a computer much (but then again neither does Richard Branson - so maybe we should not hold that against McCain).... hmm ... But then ... Richard Branson isn't running for US President.... it's OK if he doesn't use a computer - he prob doesn't need to ... but McCain ... he doesn't need a computer either .. but he does need to understand people who do - because a lot of people do.
- Marshall Sponder
Has he started up an enemies list yet?
- Harry Myhre
He probably thinks bloggers are people from Holland who wear wodden shoes.
- Harry Myhre
McCain hates bloggers and Obama hates America. It's lose-lose.
- Jim the Tolerable
I had forgotten - Paul Newman was on Nixon's enemies list http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Harry Myhre
Does John McCain even know what a blogger is or does?
- Soso Sazesh
i hate to defend the old man, but doesn't it seem like he was trying to get a laugh? albeit a cheap one.
- robert steburg
thats ok, I hate McCain so we're equal
- Danilo da Silva
from twhirl
I imagine the majority of the population saying "bloggers, is that some new kind of terrorist?" so I don't think it will hurt him much. That, and from my informal online research, most bloggers hated the GOP nominee before McCain's name filled in the blank.
- Robert Hafer
He was looking for a laugh since he was acknowledging that bloggers are usually good at holding people's feet to the fire... I mean seriously people?
- Matthew Beck
The feeling is mutual, old man.
- Anthony
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