Closed to open science continuum - Cameron Neylon

I think the dichotomy/continuum is flawed—in that subscription publishing is not 'private' whereas primary data in paper notebooks are. - Richard P Grant

The problem of repeating experiments where the detail is not available - Cameron Neylon

Using freely hosted, and reliable, third party services - Cameron Neylon

re: continuum I think its a ways of presenting one aspect of the issue - but it's an agenda rather than a model - Cameron Neylon

comments/date stamp on a blog is just a matter of technology, though - Richard P Grant

Link from a description of the experiment (blog/paper/whatever) back to the experimental record - Cameron Neylon

its true its just technology but there is a lot of background in people's minds about what a 'blog' or a 'wiki' looks like. Versioning is something that has been associated with wikis and not blogs. In the end both are just php scripts running over databases - Cameron Neylon

Use of google docs to represent a further abstraction of experiments - summary and plans - Cameron Neylon

True. - Richard P Grant

using an open standard xy data representation (JCamP) allows the viewer to play with the raw data - Cameron Neylon

agree on the conflation of subscription with privacy - that's a fair point - Cameron Neylon

also the distinction between availability and accesibility as well - which is a whole other discussion - Cameron Neylon

using instrumentation as far as possible to capture what really happened versus what the human reports - Cameron Neylon

Googledocs is a nice way of doing this easily - Richard P Grant

instrument reports 'objectively' - Cameron Neylon

paper written on the wiki - still allowed (in some journals) to publish. - Cameron Neylon

References can point directly back to experimental details - even when particular analysis was done on different samples - Cameron Neylon

very powerful—linking to the experiments from the written up report, the 'paper' - Richard P Grant

...and publish it on natureprecedings - Richard P Grant

publishing in both nature precedings and Journal of Visualised Experiments http://precedings.nature.com/documen... - Cameron Neylon

-> publish the stuff that doesn't make it into papers, but is important to disseminate. - Richard P Grant

there are examples of openness in some areas leading to people getting jobs - Cameron Neylon

I for one welcome our robot overlords - Richard P Grant

instruments will talk to instruments to computers rather than humans reading the logs - Cameron Neylon

the issue of training people to do what might be seen as a new type of science - Cameron Neylon

I htink there's a danger of turning 'science' into 'technology' - Richard P Grant

agreed - but if we get the technology right we could also do more (better) science. I wonder sometimes whether I do science anymore though - Cameron Neylon

we're still talking about science - this is a drug discovery process example - Jean-Claude Bradley

Is drug discovery science? Philosophical question ;) - Richard P Grant

@Richard - in the end, doesn't science become technology and the cycle repeats? - Rajarshi Guha

drug discovery a science? Ha! More of an art :) - Rajarshi Guha

dunno Raj, that's a little too Zen for me. - Richard P Grant