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So is this a normal thing, to only provide references on your own (paywalled) site, even though you provide full text to aggregators? Because I'm highly irritated.
What is your usual procedure when researchers ask for help getting them, in that case?
- Jaclyn aka spamgirl
I don't think I have ever run across that.
- Steele Lawman
wait, what? Am I understanding this correctly: the full text for articles in a particular journal is in aggregators, but the bibliography/references/works cited aren't included - those are only available on the publisher's own (paywalled) web site? That's the damndest thing I've ever heard.
- Catherine Pellegrino
there are some medical textbooks for which the references are only available on the companion website, with login, which can't be transferred when you sell the book
- Christina Pikas
Oh good, because I thought I was going crazy. I've emailed the corresponding author, and if that doesn't work I guess I'll send it to ILL. BAH.
- Jaclyn aka spamgirl
Oh, wait, are we talking about e-books or journals?
- Catherine Pellegrino
In this case it's a journal.
- Jaclyn aka spamgirl
That's just wrong. Also, screwy.
- barbara fister
The author sent us the references, thank goodness. Still...*shakes fist at journal*
- Jaclyn aka spamgirl
My back is KILLING ME!!!!!
:(
- Tamara J.
Ooh, cat and cow poses are ok prenatally. Hopefully yoga doesn't make you ill, though.
- Jaclyn aka spamgirl
I was looking at my steps progress for the week thus far. Even though I've gone over my goal for each day, for some reason it's saying I'm under/behind on progress. I don't understand.
Stephen Mack #TeamMomo, Kelli H., Tamara J. and 2 other people liked this
Maybe your mental week starts a day later than Fitbit's week and you were very sedentary on Sunday?
- Eivind
I went over my daily goal by at least a thousand steps on Sunday.
- Katy S
Is it counting from Sunday or counting from 6 days ago?
- Royce's favorite Anna
The new dashboard is buggy. Sleep always says I haven't tracked, but log shows it. Email and ask?
- Jaclyn aka spamgirl
Fitbit's week for goal purposes on the dashboard begins on Monday.
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
from iPhone
But that doesn't change the fact that even though I've hit my goal for each day, it continues to tell me I'm under my goal. It doesn't matter what day it starts on. If I'm on track, I'm on track. Although, I did change the settings to have my week start on Sunday. But, like I said, it doesn't matter since I've met each day's goal and it still tells me I haven't met it.
- Katy S
Weird -- did it somehow change your goal to something else?
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
from iPhone
I seem to remember I could choose between Monday and Sunday being the first day, Stephen. I think you Americans are to blame for all the calendars that start with Sunday.
- Eivind
Don't blame me! I prefer weeks to start on Monday.
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
I don't. I blame Akiva and "his people" :)
- Eivind
With the old dashboard, you could set unrelated daily and weekly goals (e.g., 12,000 a day and 70,000 a week). I can't find a way to do that with the new dashboard. The only weekly goal I see is when you click the little gear on the bottom left of the tile, and it's tied to the Daily goal (daily x 7). So, dumb question: when you click on the little gear on the bottom left of that tile,...
more...
- Betsy #TeamMonique
(If you go to the old dashboard and change them separately (e.g., 12K and 70K), the new dashboard accepts those settings. However, when you're back in the new dashboard and change the daily goal, its recalculation overrides your weekly setting.)
- Betsy #TeamMonique
The goal is fine. Actually, the numbers show up just fine. It's just the written message it gives me that is off. So, when the numbers show that I'm on track or ahead, it has a written message telling me I'm under rather than on track. I think it's just a temporary quirk that needs to be fixed.
- Katy S
I just got Boing Boinged: http://boingboing.net/2013...
Galadriel C., Kathryn is Blake in Hindi, Heather Piwowar and 19 other people liked this
woot! congrats!
- Sir Shuping is just sir
good job, sir
- Meg V. Meg
Congratulations!
- Betsy #TeamMonique
I know someone who going BoingBoinged. I feel faint...
- barbara fister
I feel a little faint too. BB sure brings the traffic.
- John Dupuis
Excellent
- Hedgehog
We should totally play Six Degrees of BoingBoinged. (Well done, John.)
- Catherine Pellegrino
Oh man! So cool! We are all first degree now!
- laura x
Also in Slate! http://www.slate.com/blogs...
- Jaclyn aka spamgirl
dang, that's awesome.
- Marie
Yeah, uh, this whole thing has been pretty wild. Up to nearly 12K page views, which is by far the most popular post I've ever done. Posts on the politicization of science in Canada have always been popular, but in the 1-2K page view range.
- John Dupuis
Liked on Fb: 3.6K, Tweets: 763. Even 74 +1's on G+, for heaven's sake.
- John Dupuis
But, how much has this been shared in friendfeed?
- OMG 404 Joe
Now it's slashdot and stumbleupon.
- John Dupuis
Who did you pay, and how much?
- OMG 404 Joe
I wish I were that smart. I guess I should mention that I did submit the post to BB but I imagine they pick up only a very small portion of what's submitted. I suspected I would have a decent shot because Cory Doctorow is Canadian and he has posted about the Canadian goverment in the past. Aside from that, all I did was tweet it up a bit more than usual.
- John Dupuis
Didn't know that there was a process for submitting posts to BB, and that is good to know.
- OMG 404 Joe
Edging up to 30K page views, 73 comments, 7K likes, 1100 tweets, 200 +1's and more than a dozen links from other blogs (including Bruce Sterling, of all people). Probably a dozen or so emails with suggestions, some from insiders. This is seriously unlike anything else that's ever happened.
- John Dupuis
What fun! Congrats, and good job, John. You hit a nerve, and brought info.
- Heather Piwowar
from iPhone
rock on, man!
- RepoRat
Thanks. I've noticed a few people have basically republished my list, with attribution. I'm thinking CC0 for this post.
- John Dupuis
So, I CC0'd it and it has been republished a few times. Up around 37K page views. And a couple of media interview requests have trickled in.
- John Dupuis
I kind of like how he introduces your post: "John Dupuis has assembled a brief, brutal chronology …" yay librarians for assembling chronologies!
- $tephanie•Gardening
Special Agent Fister coined the term Liberation Bibliography sometime back. I like to think I do a version of that too.
- John Dupuis
I'm honored if that phrase describes what you do. Brilliantly.
- barbara fister
Delayed effect, I guess, but one media interview last week, two tomorrow and one on Thursday. Not all directly related to this post but at least in part to an enhanced profile.
- John Dupuis
Interviews that happened: campus radio station (CHRY), Skeptically Speaking (a full hour!), Macleans blog, Tyee and one freelancer. I suspect not all of the interviews will surface, but we'll see. Another interesting development: I'll be setting up a phone meeting with the NDP Science & Tech critic.
- John Dupuis
Well, at least one came out: http://thetyee.ca/Blogs...
- John Dupuis
Neighbor's been shooting rabbits. Today, 3 baby bunnies bouncing around my yard. #haha #losingbattle
Kirsten liked this
He better watch out. Rabbits can be vicious, at least my 100 pound golden retriever thinks so. He stopped dead in his tracks this morning as we were out walking, refusing to get within 100 feet of the rabbit in the middle of the parking lot. Apparently he knows something your neighbor has yet to learn?
- WebGoddess
Heh, guess we shouldn't get a retriever then. Our backyard would be torture.
- Jaclyn aka spamgirl
I'm thinking the response today was because they are still new to the area, having just moved up with me a couple of weeks ago and so they are still nervous about EVERYTHING. In his backyard, back in MO, he'd have had a blast running around after that thing, until it found one of the holes in our fence and escaped. Here, they are unfamiliar and terrifying creatures...
- WebGoddess
*testing testing*. Does this thing still work?
Headless Gnad Kicker, imabonehead, Kelli H. and 12 other people liked this
We've missed you!
- Jaclyn aka spamgirl
It does, Sir.
- Micah
from FFHound(roid)!
Turn it down, too much feedback.
- ronin
What's been going on around here lately?
- chrisofspades
oh.... nothing...
- MoTO #TeamMonique
Yep
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Sounds about right.
- chrisofspades
Testes, testes...
- Headless Gnad Kicker
Chinatown dim sum palace Empress Pavilion evicted, closes doors after almost 25 years - L.A. Times http://www.latimes.com/feature...
Scoble, Alex Scoble and Anika liked this
Damn. Sure, there are plenty of better, cheaper dim sum places, but I always felt like this place was kind of iconic.
- Victor Ganata
The sad part of DTLAs re-gentrification is that this happening to a lot of long time restaurants.
- Anika
Dang.
- Jaclyn aka spamgirl
I feel like this is part of the general trend of Asian businesses moving out of Chinatown and moving into Monterey Park or elsewhere in the SGV. Cheaper rent, bigger spaces, less traffic (well, a little less traffic than DTLA and vicinity.) It sounds like that mall complex where Empress Pavilion was is seriously struggling. Maybe it'll be razed and turned into town houses or something.
- Victor Ganata
Yeah, there's that too. It's location isn't all that great. I can't even think of the last time we ate on that side.
- Anika
"Bholsangngam said that a contractor repairing the escalator has been waiting for a part for several months." -- >.>
- Andrew C (✓)
Can I use screenshot in an article that I had in a presentation? Difficulty: we've since shut down the service and there's no way to get a new one.
Did you take the screenshot? Did you create the presentation? I'd think the answer would be yes, if you owned copyright on both. The only real question would be if the image was considered "previously published", but I don't think most publishers worry about images, just text, when they talk about previous publication.
- WebGoddess
Yes, I took the screenshot, I'm more worried about it being "previously published"/used.
- Jaclyn aka spamgirl
I won't tell :)
- Meg V. Meg
Generally, what I have seen with most contracts for articles, is that the article as a whole would be rejected if it was previously published, but images aren't specifically included. I'd assume that this is the case, though you could always ask the editor if you were really worried. I tend toward more of a "ask forgiveness than permission" stance on this, myself...
- WebGoddess
Thanks!
- Jaclyn aka spamgirl
The only question I've ever been asked about images was if I had the rights to them. Image reuse is pretty common.
- Rebecca Hedreen
If you took the screenshot, it's yours for reuse. I would cite the original source of it of your presentation. As Rebecca said, as long as you have rights for it and it's not going to cost anything to resuse the image, you should be fine.
- Hedgehog
I've done this, actually (authority control in IRs paper). Journal didn't even blink. Or ask.
- RepoRat
I reuse images I've created sometimes.
- kaijsa
Catherine Pellegrino, John (bird whisperer) and Kirsten liked this
Hope it went well!
- Jaclyn aka spamgirl
It did go well, thanks!
- Marie
I have a phone/web interview on Thursday. Eep! I have not done a job interview in > a decade!
Mark Kille, Kathy, John Dupuis and 10 other people liked this
if we can help, hit us up! but you got this, I have every confidence.
- RepoRat
Good luck!
- Jaclyn aka spamgirl
Thanks!
- Rachel Walden
good luck!
- Mark Kille
Q for the hive brain: I have a recollection of a journal that was OA, was purchased and taken closed. The content remained available via PMC but was not linked from the publisher site which now appeared as a subscription journal...anyone point me in that direction?
is it this one? http://gclibrary.commons.gc.cuny.edu/2013...
- RepoRat
It wasn't the one that I had in mind but its a nice example. I'm recalling a UK blog post, might have been Oxford University Press
- Cameron Neylon
I think there was a math one? Went from oa to like Oxford or something?
- Christina Pikas
from iPhone
Was it ILAR? http://nas-sites.org/ilarjou...
- Hedgehog
Not the subject you are looking for, but I am pretty sure that Folklorica used to be free since it was listed in a "Free Online Journals" database, and now it charges subscriptions, https://ojsprdap.vm.ku.edu/index... (Folklorica, Journal of the Slavic and East European Folkore Association. ISSN 1920-0242.)
- OMG 404 Joe
The one I was thinking of was presumably biomedical because the content is/was in PMC but keep the examples coming! The more the merrier. These examples are to point out why the publisher position that "PMC is duplication of effort" is not true.
- Cameron Neylon
BePress journals are not biomedical, but were sold and closed. (Although I guess they were sort of quasi-OA?)
- Jaclyn aka spamgirl
Years ago I published a piece in SIMILE - at the time out of U of Toronto Press and OA - and it migrated to a US university and suddenly was no longer open. And now, apparently, has ceased. Gee, why would that happen?
- barbara fister
Here is another journal that used to be OA and is no longer, http://socialistregister.com/index... [Edit. Looks like it has open articles that are published before 2004. That is quite the delay... So, I really wouldn't call this an OA journal, and it certainly does not fit any of the BBB standards of OA.]
- OMG 404 Joe
The sky looks pretty weird. There's probably a wildfire, huh?
Jennifer Dittrich and John (bird whisperer) liked this
hush you
- Lnorigb
There's been a wildfire near Santa Clarita that started yesterday. It's called Powerhouse Fire. It's definitely making the sunset look strange.
- Anika
We were just saying this! Even checked OC fire authority to make sure there wasn't one nearby.
- Jaclyn aka spamgirl
Every time Google reminds me that they're closing Google Reader, I shake my fist at the screen.
Steven Perez, Greg GuitarBuster, MoTO #TeamMonique and 14 other people liked this
I still haven't switched to something else. There is still lots of time, right. :-)
- Stephan Planken
I just switched to The Old Reader. It works just as well for me, as I only used GR on proper computers anyway.
- Eivind
Their privacy policy is scary. With Google they have access to your contact list and with Facebook access to your friend list. I guess I should create a separate account.
- Stephan Planken
from iPhone
Since I've been using Google Reader almost exclusively via Flipboard, I'm not sure what the best option would be. The idea of manually adding all the feeds I follow to Flipboard gives me the heebie-jeebies. I wonder if Flipboard is working on something?
- Victor Ganata
Yeah I've pretty much settled into The Old Reader as well. It started off rather slow but now it seems to be speedy enough.
- ronin
Or I guess I could Google it and find the answer. Looks like if you're already using Flipboard for Google Reader, they've already got a plan: We’ve Got Your RSS Covered! Save Your Google Reader Feeds Now http://inside.flipboard.com/2013...
- Victor Ganata
The Old Reader's privacy policy, Stephan? I just created an account without linking either fb or goog. That's why I didn't try Feedly.
- Jaclyn aka spamgirl
I ditched GReader about a month ago and changed my workflow. Put the must-read stuff into RSS-to-email (via Blogtrottr), and put the rest into bookmarks (that I can open up in sets of tabs if I'm so inclined, depending on what I'm into). I think with GOOG pulling out, we'll see even more sites dropping feeds from the menu.
- Tinfoil 2.0
I just saw some posts from the old reader that seemed to indicate they would no longer require access to the contact list. That's a positive sign.
- Stephan Planken
from iPhone
Tinfoil, I don't consider my google reader feed extreme by any means but I would not want to have all of the content land in my inbox.
- Stephan Planken
from iPhone
I know it's a trade-off. I loved GReader and its info density. But I do send my RSS emails right to a folder so I can go to it by choice and not see it when I'm not ready to. The advantage is that I can get my feeds anywhere with just email (and a browser for extended stuff), no logins or special apps or cross-device issues or anything.
- Tinfoil 2.0
True. Do you have separate folders for each feed?
- Stephan Planken
from iPhone
I'm hearting Commafeed; it's a tad slow to load/refresh but everything else is worth it.
- Deborah Fitchett
I switched to Feedly but don't use Feedly are nearly as often as I did GR
- Rodfather
Stephan, they go into two folders, split by priority. Most feeds get a single real-time email per feed item, so they're easily scannable by subject line, and I don't even have to open it if it's not interesting (just like the way I used GReader). A couple of verbose feeds though I subscribed as digest, so I do open those to see if what's in them is worth a view.
- Tinfoil 2.0
What I'm finding with Feedly disturbs me a bit: Because the default is to show just the first X lines of each post, I find that I'm actually reading a lot fewer posts.
- Walt Crawford
Interesting workflow, Tinfoil.
- Stephan Planken
from iPhone
Four words I never imagined together: fried rice spam musubi.
Hookuh Tinypants, Rodfather, Andrew C (✓) and Jennifer Dittrich liked this
Are you in Hawaii?
- Meg V. Meg
Delish. Although with spam, white rice is just fine. No need for fried.
- ronin
Not musubi, but I did fry up some spam last week to make fried rice with.
- Andrew C (✓)
Nope, my grandma's. I make spam fried rice all the time, but had never had this. Good, but over the top.
- Jaclyn aka spamgirl
This is a macaroni & cheese and bacon pie.
Kirsten, The LB: #TeamMonique, Ramazan Çekiç and 5 other people liked this
Oh man. *drool*
- Jaclyn aka spamgirl
Work with me! Tenure track science & education librarians: http://diversity.fullerton.edu/jobs...
Tweeted (about the scilib job), https://twitter.com/SLA_DST...
- OMG 404 Joe
Thanks!
- Jaclyn aka spamgirl
Also posted to two discussion lists, PAMnet and SLA-DST.
- OMG 404 Joe
Posted to our library school jobs list
- Rebecca Hedreen
What's your favorite vegetable?
Kol Tregaskes, Koleksiyoner Ali, joey and Jennifer Dittrich liked this
frozen would be green beans, fresh would be bell peppers
- Sir Shuping is just sir
Broccolli
- Mo Kargas
Yep. Broccoli. Green peas and corn come in tied for a close second, though.
- Akiva
Asparagus, but there are so many that I really like.
- Jennifer Dittrich
Tomatoes
- Katy S
Asparagus. (or broccoli. Or kale. Or, due to very short seasons English peas and delicata squash)
- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
I think I need to change my answer to onions considering how much I use them.
- Katy S
Spinach.
- ronin
rapini
- jambina
Mushrooms (cooked)
- Jenny
Mushrooms. Or tomatoes. Or stir-fried swiss chard. Gah!
- Micah
from FFHound(roid)!
R.P. McMurphy.
- Stephen le Francoeur
I'm with Katy -- tomatoes! Even though they are actually a fruit -- so I get a second pick: fresh green beans. :)
- LoisMarketing
Broccoli. Or Tomatoes. Or Butternut Squash.
- John (bird whisperer)
Broccoli and zucchini.
- Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart
from Android
Oh, and artichoke.
- Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart
from Android
Asparagus
- Walt Crawford
Squash
- Eric
macaroni & cheese (I live in the south)
- Anne Graham
mushrooms
- Jenica
corn. but i want to be like Anne and say mac and cheese because duh.
- holly #ravingfangirl
Wow, we've gone from zucchini to mac and cheese. That's the full spectrum there, folks.
- lris
Iris - what's your favorite?
- Katy S
Artichokes.
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
from iPhone
It's close between broccoli, asparagus, and summer squash.
- Heather
Eggplant! Can be in Japanese, Chinese, Italian food, or even just grilled. So versatile!
- Jaclyn aka spamgirl
I like most things in a salad. Love potato in most forms. Corn on the cob. Grilled asparagus. Eggplant.
- Headless Gnad Kicker
Oh, well, if *that's* the question, other than eggplants and olives, I'm good with most veggies if prepared properly (which usually means simply).
- Walt Crawford
peas
- Mary Carmen
Garlic? Or onion. Or mushroom. Or arugula.
- Meg V. Meg
Butternut squash or bell peppers.
- Laura H.
oh wait. potatoes.
- holly #ravingfangirl
I know right. Potatoes. I have to officially change my answer.
- Micah
Swede! espeially when mashed up with carrots and lots of butter and pepper
- Heleninstitches
(^also known as rutabaga :))
- WoH: Professor MOTHRA
raw broccoli
- Unholy Joe Silence
Funyuns
- imabonehead
Asparagus and artichokes, fresh. Frozen Brussels sprouts with the fake butter sauce.
- Mary B: #TeamMonique
I have so many I like...cannot eat peppers or cucumbers but other then that all is good.
- VALZ/TT/TM
anyone done an external assessment of ILL before, like how your patrons feel about it? I'm looking for some examples of questions to ask, ways to conduct the assessment, etc.
*afternoon bump*
- Sir Shuping is just sir
What do you hope to learn? Are there specific things that are possible to change or new services you need feedback on, or what?
- Rachel Walden
I'm hoping to find out what we need to do to improve services and how we communicate with our patrons. we haven't done any type of feedback in over 15 years, so its time I think. I'm thinking that might lead to ideas of new services that we can/need to offer
- Sir Shuping is just sir
Hmm, bumping for more ideas on how to go about it, if folks have suggestions for Sir.
- Rachel Walden
I haven't done such a thing. But I'd be trying to find out which usergroups had heard about it, what they understand its purpose to be; if you charge then is that a barrier to them; what delivery method(s) do they want; are there issues of timeliness? format? image quality? others?
- Deborah Fitchett
thanks Deborah, that helps! anyone else have suggestions?
- Sir Shuping is just sir
You've probably already done this, but there's always LISTA/Library Literature/Emerald. Looks like there are at least a couple of articles about people who've run them. Ex: "Interlibrary Loan Satisfaction Survey at the University of Evansville." If they haven't included actual questions, you could always email the author.
- Jaclyn aka spamgirl
I haven't looked at Emerald yet (I always forget about them) but I'll take a look thanks!
- Sir Shuping is just sir
RT @ahockley: Whoa. All new Flickr. Hit my stream right now: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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Kelli H., Curtis (a) Jackson, Morton Fox and 4 other people liked this
WHOA.
- holly #ravingfangirl
What the what.
- Jennifer Dittrich
Whoa is right.
- Micah
but i thought yahoo ruins everything. ;)
- holly #ravingfangirl
weird
- Jaclyn aka spamgirl
Well, I'm really not fond of the new homepage, but I like the photostream pages. Hmm.
- Jennifer Dittrich
Wow
- Hedgehog
I like the photostream page, but I don't like the individual photo pages. Having a black strip and white strip is a little weird, and vertical photos are too small on them.
- John (bird whisperer)
Is it just me, or just now, or is the Sets page really broken?
- Betsy #TeamMonique
The Sets page isn't broken for me, but it's a lot different.
- John (bird whisperer)
Okay, it works now. I cleared the browser history and cache and restarted the computer. I'd had lots of tabs open for too long.
- Betsy #TeamMonique
Wow, just saw it now. Looks nice.
- ronin
I'm setting up a summer project and it suddenly occurred to me - maybe someone already did this. I want to compile lists of big-name journals in disciplines we teach and what the OA policy is for each (preprint, postprint, PDF, noway nowhow, unknown). Has anyone already compiled this?
marlene, suelibrarian, OMG 404 Joe and 2 other people liked this
I got this idea from a presenter at the Michigan Library Association academic libraries conference. Helps show faculty that yes, you can. Except when you can't.
- barbara fister
I did a short list of (gold) OA vs subscription journals for Chemistry once. I think I grabbed the top x by impact factor from SciMago, then looked each one up in DOAJ - was basically to show that there are a bunch of high impact OA places to publish in. The obvious flaw to the approach was that it wasn't very balanced in terms of subdisciplines. Plus it was manual so doing it for lots of disciplines would be a nuisance.
- Deborah Fitchett
I may have students work on this over the summer. If it's not already out there, I'd be happy to share it when it's compiled.
- barbara fister
You could use SHERPA/RoMEO for the OA info.
- Jaclyn aka spamgirl
This would be amazing.
- Meg V. Meg
One for LIS would have made the task of selecting a home for the article I just submitted SO MUCH EASIER.
- Catherine Pellegrino
I suspect you could repurpose the Google Scripts used to automate the Sherpa ROMEO queries described here http://journal.code4lib.org/article... if you started out with a spreadsheet listing ISSNs.
- Heather
EBSCO and Ex Libris slapfight. Pass the popcorn. http://t.co/wdZFuT5Gfb
Sarah, Galadriel C., Libraryman and 7 other people liked this
Like Terrell Owens, I have my popcorn ready.
- Julian
*munch munch munch* (We're in the middle of this: we're an Ex Libris shop, looking to activate Primo Central soon, and the bulk of our database content comes from EBSCO.)
- Catherine Pellegrino
Highly entertaining. But, evidence of exactly why we need to remember and act like we are in the midst of a bunch of business deals, not altruistic nonprofits (even if that is our role - which may also be debatable).
- Lisa Hinchliffe
Yes. One of the things I like best about this is Orbis Cascade Alliance's tone.
- Catherine Pellegrino
Now entering The Octagon...
- Marie
What language is that signature from Matti in?
- OMG 404 Joe
Hebrew. Ex Libris is based out of Israel.
- Catherine Pellegrino
I'm not allowed to talk about why we didn't implement Primo at MfPOW a few years back.
- $tephanie•Gardening
Stephanie, did you sign a non-disclosure document about it?
- copystar
The Orbis Cascade Board of Directors are my new favorite people.
- Jenica
Now that makes sense (concerning the sig.)
- OMG 404 Joe
this rocks.
- jambina
In related news, does anyone know if ebrary content is indexed by EDS?
- Meg V. Meg
not any more. (I don't know)
- DJF
Could someone explain this to me like I'm five, please?
- Andy
EBSCO owns content. Ex Libris would like to include that content in its Primo discovery layer, so that users at libraries who subscribe to the EBSCO products can find it using the library's single search box. EBSCO says, "No. If you want to access the EBSCO metadata, you need to subscribe to OUR discovery layer."
- DJF
Ebsco, like Proquest, is in the position of providing both content and a discovery tool. They are taking the lead in ensuring that their content is best/only accessed via THEIR discovery tool. As a result, Ex Libris's discovery tool can't effectively access EBSCO content. And all commercial entities in the game are failing to play nicely with each other.
- Jenica
(Two of us assessed it about the same at the same time, so you know we must be right. AND AWESOME.)
- Jenica
I support Orbis Cascade's position that if EBSCO and Ex Libris won't play together, then neither of them gets any money. Of course, in this particular case, that's not really fair to Ex Libris, who has no control over what EBSCO lets them see.
- DJF
I'm in love with the fact that a library organization is standing up and, in public, plainly asserting its right as a paying customer to demand better of the industry. Fuck. Yes.
- Jenica
Gotcha. Thanks!
- Andy
Also: discovery layers are serious business.
- Andy
I think EBSCO's fucking this up. They need to build a wall between the discovery business and the content business, and fast. Because if the content business is not indexed in a neutral way, then people using Primo or Summon will not find the EBSCO content. If people don't find the content, it doesn't get used. And that's how databases get cancelled.
- DJF
O_o
- Hedgehog
The timing of this memo is odd as we learned a few weeks ago that EBSCO has agreed to re-do the API. I'm more upset with ProQuest They won't even offer us an API to use with Primo.
- Jen
One comment I've heard regarding this situation is that their library holdings are only a small part of EBSCO's portfolio. Of course you would think Proquest, who has a higher percentage of library content, would care more.
- Elizabeth Brown
It's a good thing I wasn't eating popcorn when I got to "and use sub-standard API" at the bottom of page 2, or it'd be all over my keyboard now. It's like when you're trying *really really hard* to be the unbiased voice of reason in a debate but then a "plus your product sucks!" just slips out there.
- Deborah Fitchett
It would have been handy to have all of pop into view last month when we had Serials Solutions, EBSCO, and ExLibris deliver back to back one-hour discovery layer pitches to our consortium. It was my first full-on vendor experience post MLIS and I was alternately amused and appalled by the EBSCO hard core FUD.
- Heather
Heather, FUD is EBSCO's primary product line. We've all seen that in action.
- DJF
I used to work in a comms unit that supported sales guys and anytime the FUD was rolled out it was a clear sign of a product line in trouble and/or sales reps that didn't understand or respect their audience. Sales rep tactics appear to be a transferrable skill.
- Heather
"there is an inherent conflict of interest when content providers attempt to control a library’s choice of discovery." But since their interest is to make money, as much as possible, and control as many markets as they can, where's the conflict? I'm glad there's pushback, but why would we NOT expect a company to vertically integrate and resist sharing? In some ways its more a conflict of public interest for libraries to rely on these bozos.
- barbara fister
You nailed it, Secret Agent Fister, when are libraries going to wake up and realize they do not need to buy in to feeding the pigs? (codicil: when are the damn faculty going to stop giving their work away to the pigs)
- awd (canoeist in th wild)
from Android
Must say I first read Ebsco's response and it was a very good attempt to cloud Pmatters, I was almost convinced..., shows how much I know about discovery :P Anyway I never quite got why it's always about ebscohost , Proquest does the same. Or is it because their databases have metadata that can be obtained in other ways?
- aarontay
Yes, Barbara, yes. If you're a librarian, Ebsco's position looks ethically sketchy. If you're a business analyst, they appear to have a sound strategy. Ex Libris's positioning of themselves as The Good Guys Fighting The Good Fight for libraries pisses me off, because i don't believe for a second that, if they "win" and Ebsco opens up their data, Ex Libris won't turn around and try to...
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- Jenica
Aaron, what is the link to the EBSCO response?
- OMG 404 Joe
All of them here: http://www.orbiscascade.org/index...
- Jaclyn aka spamgirl
how did ProQuest / Serials Solutions / Summon get around this?
- $tephanie•Gardening
They go to the journal publishers and get the metadata. It's not 100% of say CINAHL, but maybe 90%+ but of course it's very "thin metadata" (ebsco's term), sometimes not even abstract or subject headings and usually no full text. It can make quite a difference sometimes.
- aarontay
Thanks Jackyn.
- OMG 404 Joe
A message went around at my Primo-using library this morning saying that use of our EBSCO full text resources have declined 64% and use of their indexes 73%. I think we'll be looking for this content elsewhere...
- Megan loves summer
phew. well, I can't say I'm sorry to see this chickenshit tactic backfire.
- RepoRat
I like most of my EBSCO contacts, but the guy they had delivering the FUD sales pitch when we looked at EDS last year really turned me off.
- Royce's favorite Anna
so, how many libraries are offering BrowZine on their iPads?
Thinking on this now.
- Rachel Walden
We do. I just spoke about this in my first & only presentation!
- Julie Kane
from iPhone
Julie Kane - can I see it? We're thinking about it.
- Jaclyn aka spamgirl
Judging by the entrails a neighborhood cat or a bird got one of the backyard bunnies. Wish it had taken it away. #toddlerdoesntneedtosee
Going w/hawk. "Hawks may leave behind a carcass. However, the carcasses is usually left whole and you will find tufts of fur or pieces of skin and fur scattered around the carcass. Hawk do not like to eat fur, skin, or bones. The rabbit’s neck will be dislocated or broken and the chest cavity will be punctured will talon marks." <--Exactly this. Blecch.
- Jaclyn aka spamgirl
eek!
- Marie
This morning I had a dream that we were keeping a giant pink emu in the yard. What does that mean??????
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- SteVe C
lol, thanks.
- Mary Carmen
Pregnancy does cah-razy things to dreams. I loved it, except for the odd bad one, which I almost never have when not pregnant.
- Jaclyn aka spamgirl
Pregnancy dreams are a TRIP. Especially the left the baby on the bus type of dreams, lol.
- Starmama
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- Marie
Ha!
- Jaclyn aka spamgirl
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- RepoRat
SWOONS! so good!!
- barbara fister
LOL
- Andy
This on the day where we are discussing at my library whether we should continue to pay about $50K for about 60 individual Taylor and Francis subscriptions, or move to paying about $69K for 1500 subscriptions. My opinion is in the distinct minority.
- Steele Lawman
First, let's cancel all the T&F journals.
- barbara fister
The more for more deal.
- OMG 404 Joe
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I hate these things. We have them all over. I toss out stuff and they disappear only to reappear later.
- Anika
I haven't had trouble with them here, but my neighbors in college had to root out their whole pantry and bleach it after these and silverfish got in. My roommate and I helped out, since they didn't know what to do.
- Jennifer Dittrich
We had them last year. Did serious purge, got lots of containers. Crossing fingers they don't come back this yr.
- Jaclyn aka spamgirl
I've only encountered them a few times.
- John (bird whisperer)
Until September 30, anyway. After that, watch out!
- Jaclyn aka spamgirl
whaaa? the price is going to change after sept. 30? do tell!
- Marie
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- Jaclyn aka spamgirl
At least 1 person on ERIL said their price was doubling. We haven't heard...
- Jaclyn aka spamgirl
My turn. Figuring we'll hit the ones around WY when I make the kids roadtrip to Yellowstone in a few years.
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If airports count, then I've got New Jersey in there. Forgot about Newark. (Probably for the best, yuck). Oh! And Arlington's in Virginia. Oh well, close enough. #mapmeme
- Jaclyn aka spamgirl
No one ever believes me that totally healthy babies can spit up a lot, and it doesn't mean something is horribly wrong with them.
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Really? I thought that was totally normal. I mean, they're just figuring out the whole eating and digesting thing. Sometimes it goes right, sometimes.. well, there's a learning curve.
- Jennifer Dittrich
Which reminds me I should watch The Fly remake again sometime.
- Micah
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Someone needs to start a trend of raising babies the Paleo way.
- Andrew C (✓)
from Android
I was told in mom's club, "It's a laundry problem not a medical one."
- Jaclyn aka spamgirl
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Oofah. My back hurts just thinking of drywall again.
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This is happening in my kitchen today too! Never thought I'd be so happy to need to paint.
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Ohhh I love me some mudding, my specialty.
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