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YouTube - America - Fuck Yeah!
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Candidates "America is a friend to the world" this video comes to mind. - Jeremiah Owyang via Bookmarklet
What scares me is that there are probably a high % of people, domestic and intl, who will think this is serious. Satire is a double edged sword. - Leif Hansen
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Armored truck robber uses Craigslist to make getaway
Armored truck robber uses Craigslist to make getaway
October 1 at 9:41 pm - via Bookmarklet - Link
"In a move that could be right out of a Hollywood movie, a brazen crook apparently used a Craigslist ad to hire a dozen unsuspecting decoys to help him make his getaway following a robbery outside a bank on Tuesday. He then made his escape in an inner tube on the Skykomish River. The robbery happened about 11 a.m. on an armored truck guard at a Bank of America branch. "He was wearing a dust mask, a particle mask. At first I thought it might be a surgical mask. I still didn't think anything was wrong, just unusual. Then I noticed he had a pump sprayer," said Mitch Ruth, who had looked out his office window and noticed the man walking into the bank." - Cee Bee via Bookmarklet
The robber sprayed the guard with pepper spray, grabbed a bag of money the guard was carrying and ran about 100 yards to the creek that runs into the Skykomish River, shedding clothes as he ran. But apparently, the robber had planned ahead. In case anyone was hot on his trail, he had at least a dozen unsuspecting decoys waiting nearby, which he recruited on Craigslist. "I came across the ad that was for a prevailing wage job for $28.50 an hour," said Mike, who saw a Craigslist ad last week looking for workers for a road maintenance project in Monroe. He said he inquired and was e-mailed back with instructions to meet near the Bank of America in Monroe at 11 a.m. Tuesday. He also was told to wear certain work clothing. "Yellow vest, safety goggles, a respirator mask… and, if possible, a blue shirt," he said. - Cee Bee
Mike showed up along with about a dozen other men dressed like him, but there was no contractor and no road work to be done. He thought they had been stood up until he heard about the bank robbery and the suspect who wore the same attire. - Cee Bee
Dude, that is brilliant. - Shawn Farner
I expect this to end up in a Law and Order episode soon. then again, I've seen this already on V for Vendetta ;) - ~C4Chaos
Too sick!! That's one great plan, love the scheme. - Zu aka ElijahBailey
Wow..freakin awesome. I mean..the execution. If we don't start using all this fancy social media sh*t for good, this type of stuff will only get worse...LOL - Rah™
straight out of the movies.. - tsiakhyie
FiendFeed Rahsheen? - JodyUnwired
This guy is a genius. The end. - Mark Wilson
I feel a little guilty for saying it, but I kinda love creative heists like this, that is when no one gets hurt. Isn't that why we all love movies like Ocean's Eleven, etc? - Leif Hansen
Should BE a movie. Incredible - Charlie Anzman
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Chris Brogan posted an entry on chrisbrogan.com
October 4 at 12:33 pm - Link
Though I 'get it', I'm mixed about calling this a 'conference'. I mean, its cool to aggregate various lectures into one place and amazing that we can even do that in this web20 world, but doesn't the deep and enjoyable learning really happen in the conversations at conferences? It does for me - the more truly engaging and interactive, the better. Sure, there's blog comments, but that's pretty minimal. - Leif Hansen
I visit with people once every two or three weeks who have never left their home town. Further, lots of people won't attend TED, won't see some of those speakers, etc. Yes, regular conferences trump watching videos, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't present and provide learning in different ways. - Chris Brogan
But maybe there's another name for this type of aggregation. Something along the lines of distance learning. And speaking for those of us who are very distant from almost everything, it's a great idea. - Becky McCray
Know the difference between a white paper and an ebook? Portrait vs. Horizontal. Only, when marketers start releasing ebooks instead of white papers, the download numbers go way up. I think this is similar. - Chris Brogan
If I'm hearing ya right, you're saying that though the name may not be accurate --calling it a 'conference' might get numbers up more than 'distance learning', etc? - Leif Hansen
Or another way of saying this: what if conference in its roots just means a gathering of the minds. Does that have to be face to face? FriendFeed proves not. - Chris Brogan
Yes, we are in the 'social media' biz. As for its 'roots' though,"from conferre 'to bring together, compare,' from com- 'together' + ferre 'to bear' Sense of 'taking counsel' led to conference". Whether we're truly 'together' when mixing our pixels will be the question of the century. As the digital world gets richer, it gets more dangerous as well. And remember, they're now saying most of communication is closer to 90% non-verbal (and in txt world?). But I'm probably now taking us on a tangent...;) - Leif Hansen
I stopped paying attention. You forgot to mention the attention span. - Chris Brogan
Hey, when we finally 'jack in' to our last conscious virtual conference, maybe you won't have attention to pay. ;) - Leif Hansen
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“Google Android - screenshots!”
Google Android - screenshots!
Google Android - screenshots!
Google Android - screenshots!
Google Android - screenshots!
September 22 at 8:23 pm - Link
they won't be out until oct. tomorrow is just the press conference. - Faboo Mama
Anyone here planning on snatching up a Google Android phone? - Susan Beebe
another toy I can't afford - AnotherⓃⓄⒶⒽ
what are the first brands launching Android phones? - Loic Le Meur via twhirl
Got my hops up. Crap - Bored
cool, I'd love to have you come back to this thread and post your feedback - Susan Beebe
it's an htc phone. t-mobile has first dibs on the release in oct. - Faboo Mama
wow. who needs iPhone games when you've got, uh, "divide and conquer." it *was* just a business strategy, but now it's a GAME! for ANDROID! WOO! :-D - Karim
how much do you think the phone only will cost, I may trade in my blackberry pearl for one - Kyle Weller
I think my BB Curve is more sophisticated than this 1st gen Android phone...not ready to give up all this cool functionality, stability, performance and reliability - Susan Beebe
Zzzzzzzz - James Tenniswood
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Wow...Tina Fey is a dead ringer for Palin... - /(bb|[^b]{2})/ (Kamath)
And boy howdy, did she nail that whole "Fargo" accent ... - Steven "The One" Perez
Yeah she was made for the part. Completely nailed it. - Dave Hussein Winer
Fun that this is how I watch TV now, on Friendfeed. I don't have TV at home, so I just let Dave find the good stuff. : ) - Chris Brogan
Classic - James Tenniswood
She did do a brilliant job. - Zee from WeDoCreative
Not clear whether the appropriate response is to laugh or cry ... - Tom Stocky
Depends where they go with it. - Dave Hussein Winer
Wow she totally nailed it - Britney Mason
Best line: "I can see Russia from my house!" - Shelly Brisbin via twhirl
the Russia from my house line was classic. - Ian Hussein Maverick May
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I dunno but live action role playing scares me
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September 11 at 9:23 pm - via Bookmarklet - Link
LARPing is sooo funny. I mean, I'm a geek, and proud of it, but....I dunno man, I guess Civil War reenactments are similar, but at least those are based on historical events. - Ẉ¡ĊḱḙƉ
The fantasy parts go a little tooo far - Jeremiah Owyang
What's the problem? They're getting lots of fresh air and exercise and they're interacting with other human beings. :-) - dkb
dkb are you an elf or a dwarf? I'd prob be an efl, but I think I'm too fat now. - Jeremiah Owyang
that blue troll with the drum looked pretty wimpy. Greybie. - tagami
Tagami I dunno those could be drums of war +5 - Jeremiah Owyang
... - Jemm
If you're interested in LARPing, check out the documentaries Darkon & Monster Camp. - Mark Wilson
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“Killer Stress, Stanford and Nati... http://www.kyte.tv/ch/6118/215...
September 4 at 10:28 am - Link
I wish I had known what stress was doing to me 25 years ago. Maybe I could remember what I had for breakfast this morning... - Howard Keziah
great conversation with Om Malik of GigaOm and Standord professor Robert Sapolsky about effects of stress on us. - Robert Scoble
Robert Sapolsky is as smart as smart gets. He has a great course--Biology and Human Behavior--through the Teaching Company. Just wonderful. - todd
Interesting coincidence: I'm flying up to Banff this weekend to help present a play called "Death by Powerpoint" written by Paul Levy, its for the 4th art of management conference (http://www.essex.ac.uk/afm/emc...) - Leif Hansen
but still, after reading, who will have any interest in anything to counter it, like meditation? - Gregory Lent
By the way, Om Malik had a heart attack last December and talks to me about the changes he's made to his life. Really great stuff we should all consider. - Robert Scoble
Here's a better URL for this interview: http://www.kyte.tv/ch/6118-sco... - Robert Scoble
This is great stuff man.....and meditation does work. :-) - Rich Harris
Meditation isn't the only option. If you are interested in the sort thing I wrote a couple of articles on stress that incorporate Sapolsky's teachings: Threat 13. The Stress Threat (http://tinyurl.com/5drrf7) and Strategy 35. Manage Your Stress (http://tinyurl.com/5g7n83). - todd
Meditation is one of MANY options. - Rich Harris
@todd your site has an interesting design .... what is it based on? - Gregory Lent
YDD is based on Joomla. The HS site is Drupal. My wife's biztaxtalk.com site is also Drupal. I wanted to try some of each :-) - todd
thanks, was wondering .. wordpress i can tell from fifty yards usually, and yours seems nicer - Gregory Lent
That's very nice. It takes me a lot of work just to get to mediocre. Thanks. - todd
It was great to see you break earlier for Milan. Take it from me Robert. It goes really quick. I was lucky. Didn't miss much but a lot of people do. It's OK to take a whole day off too :) - Charlie Anzman
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“Closing the Innovation Gap http://www.kyte.tv/ch/6118/214...
September 2 at 3:06 pm - Link
Very smart woman. This is an interview with Judy Estrin who is on board of directors of Walt Disney and FedEx and we spent 40 minutes talking about innovation. She wrote a book on the topic titled "Closing The Innovation Gap." - Robert Scoble
Robert, the link above no longer works to see this interview. I'd really like to see it. Did you give the interview? Is there another place to view it? - Melissa Pierce
Melissa, sorry, it's here: http://www.kyte.tv/ch/6118-sco... - Robert Scoble
Robert, thankyou for this interview. Do you know about the documentary I'm filming about some of these same issues? http://lifeinperpetualbeta.com... we just interviewed Dan Pink and would love to interview Judy as well. Would you be opposed to facilitating an introduction? - Melissa Pierce
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Reinventing Knowledge: From Alexandria to the Internet
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September 3 at 5:39 am - Link
This thursdy is my daughter's first kindergarten day. I'm insanely proud, and yet a little sad/scared at how fast she's growing. First few years people's "enjoy it, it goes fast" I'd be like "No, it could go faster actually". Now, her mental, physical and social growth is exponential and I wouldn't mind things slowing down some.... - Leif Hansen
awesome! - Thomas Hawk
Yes! You have to enjoy every moment! Oldest daughter just started first grade; wondering where the time went... - Stephen Shores
Okay, brief pinch me moment. Thomas Hawk comments on my photo! Second, thanks. - Chris Brogan
@Leif - You and I could talk about this, for sure. I had similar feelings. - Chris Brogan
The walk to the bus stop is a trail of tears ... - Jay Tannenbaum
Awwwwwwww - Denton Gentry
Just dropped my girl off as well. Sniff, sniff...:-) - Alan Edgett
@Chris I may need to at some point...we'll see how it goes tomorrow. - Leif Hansen
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Social Technographics of Voters
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Berlin memorial for books burned
September 1 at 1:22 pm - Link
great photo. - Mladen Srdić
And even better memorial and quote - Michael W. May
The memorial is interesting. It's a simple plate of glass in the ground in this huge square. The plate is probably a meter by a meter. Beneath it is this room with empty book shelves. What's written on the plaque next to it is even more haunting. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B... A line of Heinrich Heine is engraved, stating "Dort, wo man Bücher verbrennt, verbrennt man am Ende auch Menschen" (in English: "Where they burn books, they will also burn humans in the end"). - Robert Scoble
Berlin sure does have an effect on you. I wish every person could go there to study its history and the lessons it has learned in the past 100 years. - Robert Scoble
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yes...sell a good phone ;) - Jeff Douglass
Simplicity I guess - Joakim Hilj
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August 19 at 1:46 am - Link
YES! - Bob Blunk
Yes, why yes they are, been hanging out at CC Mixter and Opscom which do "free" music (unknown bands) more than anything else lately, even though I have ITunes. - dan
They have been digging it for the last 10 years... must be really deep because many many people must fit in it. - Fabrice Epelboin via twhirl
They have been for a long time. Ever since someone decided they were more important than the customer. - Brandon Titus
i'm happy band section still work in muxtape, would be the damn bad if it was not working for us (buzzworkers) - Ben Borges
That one is an easy answer. The crazy thing is, I still see artists spew the same tired RIAA line about down sales = piracy while real innovators are creating their own marketing hype. Many, such as hiphop artists, are moving to labels such as Koch where they press the records/CD's/publish downloads online and let the artist take care of marketing and promotion. This way the artist keeps more money, so they don't have to sell 100K to 500K to break even with the label. What are you paying for anyway? A video no one will see? Payola to radio that no one listens to? When an artist knows how to create buzz, (concerts, you tube, web) they can afford to bypass the ineffective promotion provided by these labels. - Eric @ CS Techcast
protectionism is everywhere ... does it work? seems to ... at least for awhile - Gregory Lent
If the artist is doing their own promotion, what is the point of the record company again? - Matthew Davidson via twhirl
Interesting post about Pandora on the edge of closeing due to increased royalty fees. http://arstechnica.com/news.ar... - Bryan Thatcher via twhirl
The point of a record company can still be a central distribution point. Some could maybe handle it themselves, but I would image distributing CDs and setting up with digital distributors is still logistical nightmare for a single artist to handle on their own. - Eric @ CS Techcast
Matthew - If the artist is able to produce and master their own music with professional quality, there's little need for the record company since you can always start your own. Many smart artists have done this because it funnel's the bulk of the CD sales into their pockets. - Jim McCusker
Exactly. I was responding to Erics comment. - Matthew Davidson via twhirl
Eric - there are options for artists. cdbaby will set up digital distribution with dozens of companies. There is no need for a record company between the artist and fans. - Matthew Davidson via twhirl
Matthew, that's pretty cool, but can they still get you stocked at Target and Best Buy? If they can then cool, but I didn't see anything on their website about that. A label like Koch can. This is why some will still want to go with a label with established ties to retail and distribution. - Eric @ CS Techcast
Eric, getting stocked at Best Buy and Target only make sense if you're undertaking a nation wide promotional campaign, and if you're doing that, you're talking about a huge investment that is way, WAY beyond the scope of the independent artist. If you want to sell a physical product to a nationwide audience, the amazon advantage program is where it is at. - Matthew Davidson via twhirl
It's quickly becoming a management-based industry, with managers replacing record labels. As artists are able to control their own production, distribution, promotion, etc there becomes the need for someone to help organize and run these aspects. The manager steps in to focus on the business and mechanics, freeing the artist to be 'creative' and/or tour ... which, of course, used to be a purpose the record label served. - M. Donaldson
More simply, getting stocked at Best Buy isn't the issue. Creating the demand that merits getting stocked at Best Buy is, and if you've done that, you don't need Koch. - Matthew Davidson via twhirl
Having sat on the sidelines and about to embark on my own music career, I'm both excited and scared at the serious flailing about the music industry is doing. I'm confident I can get myself out there without the help/harm of a large record label -- either as an independent or on my own. There is *so much* opportunity to get real music out there that I'm not too worried about the distractions of the RIAA... - Tracy Ruggles
Tracy, this is the best time in history to be an independent musician IMO. I've done a major label stint as well as time on assorted indies and I'm personally having more fun (and making a more consistent living at it) now that I'm on my own. The advantage nowadays goes to the most creative rather than the one with the biggest marketing budget, and that's really exciting. - M. Donaldson
Please tell me that is a rhetorical question right? - John via twhirl
What's a music industry? - Pascal
The recent Bloc Party release is another example of the compromise model that will work for a portion of artists, labels, and consumers... release quality digital format at low cost (not free) ahead of leaks. Release compelling physical product shortly after including extras for top fans. - Amir Gharaat
Bryne and Eno are using the same exact model Amir refers to ... their new album was released digitally yesterday, but won't be out physically until November 30. A special edition of the CD will contain extra tracks. http://www.everythingthathappe... ... it's like the early adopters are putting a down payment on the manufacturing of the final product. - M. Donaldson
My husband is a recording artist, composer and engineer. The industry is so competetive with great talent abounding. However, talent is a dime a dozen. My advice is to do music because you love it and would rather do nothing else. - Taryn Merrick via twhirl
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Dave Hussein Winer posted an entry on Scripting News
August 19 at 1:57 am - Link
This is another instance of a Leftie calling for change as if, in and of itself, change is a desirable pursuit, which is, of course, loopy. "Change We Can Believe In": what the hell does that mean. In the case of Obama, it means redistribution of wealth, and whatever other Marxist tenets he can foist upon us. - eggsy
Obama at least got education and is a self-made man. He had to struggle and make his way though to the top. He is also very charismatic and quite cultivated, not the least due to his law background. And he is a Democrat !! - Hayk
Another country heard from. This is a US election. There are no "citizens of the world". - eggsy
Why can't we have some of both. Charisma, integrity, a strong vision for the future. Something we can believe in. Americans, set your sights higher! - Scott Martin
Yeah, redistribution of wealth is so evil. You do know that severe income inequality is perhaps the leading cause of violent instability, right? - Ben Turner
yeah eggsy, like the elitist corporate shit we've been living under is SO much better. - Ẉ¡ĊḱḙƉ
"redistribution of wealth" usually means a society is using force to mug someone... it's just another term for violent theft. As for the idea of change? Well, Obama really isn't that different... look into his history in Chicago, including the way he won his elections there. He is just another politician, maybe a bit less honest than most. The facts simply don't support his recent branding as an idealistic outsider. - Soulhuntre
an easy marketing slogan given the last 8 years ... but the leader is only a figurehead, the government is thousands of americans who will resist change as much as possible - Gregory Lent
"We the People" of the USA are the problem, and ultimately the solution if we can ever get beyond being wagged by the political parties and start demanding the government "We" want. - Jim McCusker
At the end of the day, Obama will be elected because the Bush administration was just so awful. That's all there is to it. People will only feel disappointed in him if he does manage to be worse. - Ciaoenrico
Jim, good point. As much as I do have hope in Obama to bring about much needed changes, we Americans need to grow up beyond the idea that anyone can or will save us --its our responsibility to start making lasting changes. Dollars (i.e. on oil, plastics, etc. vs. local, quality goods) are powerful votes. - Leif Hansen
@Leif Hansen - the core point is a good one. The idea of someone selling himself to you as your savior (and Obama certainly has) should send up red flags all around. Then again, snake oil always sells to crowds. - Soulhuntre
Soulhuntre -every candidate is guilty of this to some degree -the system is set up to sell saviours (wow, what a nice tongue-twister). And actually, from what I read in Obama's Audacity of Hope, he seems to put a lot more emphasis on each of our individual responsibility --which would reflect his amazing journey as well. - Leif Hansen
Soulhuntre, the sad fact is that Euro-styled socialism is preferable to the mess that the GOP has left us with. The Republicans had 6 uninterrupted years in power and completely screwed the country with it. They have failed completely. Obama might not be a great choice for President, but he's a HELL of a lot better than a continuation of the Bush policies. - Tad - the Meme Maker
Honestly, there are two different kinds of elections. There are those where you happily vote for the person you want to win, and there are those where you happily vote against the person you DON'T want to win. No matter who the candidates are, some people will they're voting in the first type of election and others will feel they're voting in the second. - Stupid Blogger (aka Tina)
I think the real change is having a leader who is able to energize people. If he can not only maintain, but increase his ability to mobilize, especially beyond the youth vote, we might be surprised what's possible. It sounds cliché, but the real power is with the people. - Michael Kowalchik via Alert Thingy
@Leif Hansen Missed your comment, I agree, it's up to us. I think Obama has the potential to actually motivate and energize the people to action. I see the potential there, I truly hope he can deliver. - Michael Kowalchik
A well-written, to-the-point piece. - Stagekid
the leader doesn't matter, he is only a representative of the collective consciousness .. it is us, baby, no one else - Gregory Lent
Suggested reading "The Limits of Power" --> http://tinyurl.com/5w556y - Jim McCusker
I'm not a leftie. For the 80,000th time. - Dave Hussein Winer
And yes, change from Bush is desirable. - Dave Hussein Winer
Coming to you from the Chevron station in Winnemucca, NV, US of A. - Dave Hussein Winer
@eggsy By definition, only lefties can call for change. If someone calls for change and calls himself/herself conservative, it means that the man/wman is thoroughly confused. Being a leftie is good thing. It is because of them the world progresses in the positive direction. - Krishnan Hussein Subraman
I guess the Bill Moyer interview of Andrew Bacevich, a conservative West Point grad and army colonel, would make him liberal since he's calling for change. Well worth the time to watch: http://tinyurl.com/5ufwbp - Jim McCusker
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“Overheard: "We like to give our execs private jets, this way they don't get any crazy ideas about business changes from reading airline magazines" had a good laugh”
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Great post but, my God, it was booksized! - Leif Hansen
You're telling me. I read the whole thing all the way to the end, AND checked out his Twine site. - Chris Brogan
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If I were starting my own company and taking on partners, I'd hire Rachel in a heartbeat. - Chris Brogan
Yeah right, when u go the interview they told u " you are overqualified for us" - Muge Cerman
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proving my point. : ) - Chris Brogan
Hehe, yes. Though I do wonder if there's a way FF can somehow filter when multiple items in a friend's feed are simply echoes. But then the convos, like this, around that repeat would be missed... - Leif Hansen
Right. I should delete when I bookmark my own blog post. - Chris Brogan
That could get seriously time consuming :) - Leif Hansen
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Yet another good justification for pitching hard and intense to my bosses about how we should go social :) - Hayk
what isn't clear to me is if the use of social media is only external or if these companies are using the tools of social media to increase collaboration and learning within their own organizations. The latter case may do a better job of proving that the use contributes to the growth and innovation of the companies studied. - Eric Newman
@ericnewman, i would not be surprised to find stories of some companies being broken apart by the use of social media, because it can expose hiding places ... - Gregory Lent
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Chris Brogan posted an entry on chrisbrogan.com
August 18 at 5:06 am - Link
reminded me that I haven't checked in to friendfeed in WEEKS. Thanks! - Molly McMahan
Chris - maybe you should have linked those folks comments at Twitter instead of only shown their comments in a screenshot? A little more effort for you, yes, but this would help send people directly to them. Some of your readers would have liked the help and the fact that you were showing how you promote others. - TDavid
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August 17 at 6:18 am - via Bookmarklet - Link
Interesting types of companies, retail, oil, auto and phillips - Jeremiah Owyang via Bookmarklet
Surprise surprise. So sad and frustrating. - Leif Hansen
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I'll be there from August 17th until August 22nd. See more in my Dopplr profile. - Phil McCluskey
Hey Phil, I'll be staying in Palo Alto from 20th-25th too (improv intensive training in SF). Perhaps we can grab a drink and meet f2f - Leif Hansen
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