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I have to keep reminding myself why I married him :P
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Don't lie, it's for my hot sexy man-body :P
- Johnny Worthington
XD
- Kristian Salonen
^___^
- Nia
:D
- Johnny Worthington
Hahahaha
- Mo Kargas
He uses a napkin? Sheesh you too good to mess up your shirt like the rest of us?
- CW™
Its a salad too.. WTF!
- CW™
The photo's funny but your comment sent me to the floor laughing.
- Steve Sebestyen
from twhirl
this post is total win.
- Jim Hearts FF
It's cuz he looks hawt in your underwear. :D
- Steven Perez
This is awesome. Johnny, why do you look so surprised?
- Derrick
Damn You Steven Perez! I've almost forgotten that! :))))
- directeur
Why?
- orionstarr
Nom
- sofarsoShawn
Cute Napkin
- Brent - Long Live Rock
It's the beard, right, Rachael? :D
- Steven Perez
It's all of the above :)
- WorldofHiglet
WIN
- Josh Haley
Whoa! A beardless Johnny? I must not have been around long enough!
- CAJ, somewhere else
Oppsie, I ripped a tear in the space-time continuum!
- Josh Haley
I feel like someone is watching me
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That's the money you could have saved by not investing with Bernie Madoff.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
I HATE those commercials. Why don't they just stay with the gecko? I love the little guy.
- BEX
Murdoch’s Love of Newspapers Has Become Drag on His Company - http://www.nytimes.com/glogin...
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Man hands out cash in New York | BBC - Newsbeat - http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbea...
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"Imagine getting £35 for doing absolutely nothing. Well in New York, a man is giving away stacks of cash to anyone who's prepared to stand in line for it. The mystery man, who calls himself 'Bailout Bill', says in the middle of an economic crisis ordinary Americans who are struggling to make ends meet deserve a bailout."
- Steven Perez
from Bookmarklet
What are his coordinates? I need lunch money.
- Steve Sebestyen
from twhirl
That's gonna be some lunch. The lowest amount he hands out after hearing your sob story is $50.
- Steven Perez
Then Mortons it is!!
- Steve Sebestyen
from twhirl
I could tell him about my unemployment...
- Mike Nayyar
That's what he wants to hear. He's handing out amounts ranging from $50 to $5,000.
- Steven Perez
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for thought.... :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
is the best on my DVR
- CW™
Cat toes: one of the cutest things on earth.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Caption: Your death; let me show it to you.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
so fluffy
- Darren Heydon
Cute!
- Penny
Achievement Unlocked - http://nerviosismo.tumblr.com/post...
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Badass.
- Phil G
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- teh Dork Knight aka Kenny
It’s Over: I’m Through With Web 2.0 - http://www.webomatica.com/wordpre...
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Great post Steve. As painful as it is for many geeks, the time has come for everyone to swallow a dose of reality.
- Steve Sebestyen
The time came a long time ago. Some people are simply now having it shoved down their throats. Any smart businessperson saw it coming the first time around, and anyone who was there the first time around should have seen it coming this time too.
- Andrew Badera
Businesses with no expectation of profitability have never made any sense to me.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
I was reading about the collapse of "2.0" (nasty term) last year. The thing that really concerns me isn't with the fall of another round of sites, but with the way that governments are eyeballing the net after the bluster of 2.0 has brought our little freedom of expression squarely before their attention. It's no conincidence that a number of high profile blog posts have lead to big meatspace shareprice batterings.. Keep an eye on Europe and the US pressing forward with a limited "push content" net plan.
- alphaxion
I'm actually curious to see how many ycombinator ("build something cool first, then find a way to profit later") startups will make it through.
- Glen Campbell, B.A.
I respect your stance not to dance on the graves of companies which will fail over the coming months. However, I am not sure that all Web 2.0 applications are done for. Just as these was no place in a post 2000 world for Pets.com there are many silly applications which will disappear, but others with real benefits to users will continue, and if well managed will ultimately drive a revenue stream
- Lorraine Ball
I agree Lorraine, this is a post a liked -- this is what I wrote on the subject. http://howtosplitanatom.com/the-new...
- Steve Spalding
I swear! It's amazing the lack of priorities people have in a crisis... Who CARES who's fault this is... we need to figure out how to fix the problem! Would you people sit around and argue about how the fire started when you're in a burning house or would you get outside and grab a hose??
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It matters to them because we're only weeks away from an election - every single House member wants to be re-elected. THAT's why they're all acting like this.
- Internet's Tad
Lindsay, I made the same comment on a post just a few minutes ago and I agree. To me, today's mess is the perfect example of why we (as citizens) need to make major changes in the people we've chosen up to this point. Time to clean house.
- Steve Sebestyen
from twhirl
Just another day in politics. Don't have to actually get anything done, just need to LOOK like you're doing something.
- ronin
Screw the election... we have longer term and more immediate problems to deal with.
- Her Lindsay-ness
@Steve A-freaking-men!
- Her Lindsay-ness
In this case it matters. Why on Earth would intelligent people want more of what caused the problem in the first place? The government needs to stay the Hell out of this and let the market correct itself. The storm analogy is flawed because no one can cause a hurricane. As far as the burning house analogy; do you just build another house while the pyromaniac stands there and watches with anticipation?
- Mattb4rd
+ a gazzilion for this Lindsay!!!! Well said indeed...
- Live4Emma (L4S)
i don't know if you've noticed over the past 20 or so years, but whenever there's a problem, the GOP is the first to point fingers at Democrats and minorities, yet never offer suggestions. I refuse to listen to children whine, so just ignore those types of people here and have intelligent conversations with people who can hold one.
- Anika
This is why Washington is broken. Crap like this.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
@Mattb4rd - I'm of the opinion that we should scrap it all and start over... and in that case the history doesn't matter who started it... They're ALL to blame but it doesn't change anything going forward if we do as Steve suggests and clean house. But that also doesn't mean we can do nothing... The market is not set up to correct itself.
- Her Lindsay-ness
First rule of handling a gov crisis find somebody to blame..
- Moved to Facebook
from fftogo
@Gregory; That school is tougher when you're stupid. (I'm not calling you stupid, just saying life is hard, it's harder when you're stupid)
- Mattb4rd
No one said it has to be a perfect fix. There's no such thing in a world that's constantly changing. But our focus should be on that fix instead of who caused the problem. Can't make progress looking backward. Not to say you shouldn't be aware of the past (don't want history to repeat itself) but you have to move on to get anywhere better.
- Her Lindsay-ness
Lindsay, if I might tread on dangerous ground here, I do agree with you. Perhaps some are concerned as to "why" the fire was started in order that we do not make such mistakes again. If I have been informed correctly, the bail out package was simply a tourniquet to stop the massive blood loss, and allow us to operate on the issues under a little less stress. However, tendencies are to seek to blame. I have my feeling on some heads that should role, but this should not distract from us setting a course...
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
Finger pointing at a time of crisis just shows you how lame our leadership truly is...fabulously f*cked!
- Susan Beebe
Sorry, I hate to spam, but... http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- l0ckergn0me
Sometimes we have to dig deep and find the root cause in order to solve a problem, but this is way past that
- Susan Beebe
I hate to stretch an analogy, but you throw water on some fires and you make them spread, e.g. magnesium. I am NOT comfortable that this bill is not inflaming the problem. First do no harm.
- Eric Lewis
@Ken - I wasn't a fan of the bailout plan. I am not an economic expert so I don't really know what the best course is, but I do think that we need to get a lot of very smart people in the room and possibly kick some of the politicians out of it and have them figure out the best solution for the short term AND the long term. The blame game is wasting precious time and energy. We can take care of punishing the people who got us into this mess later.
- Her Lindsay-ness
Eric: And if it is your BEST FRIEND who is on fire? Do you do nothing and thus "do no harm" or do you act and throw water on the fire, even if it might get worse? Seriously.
- Ben Parr
Chris, thanks for the video. Very refreshing information and suspected by many. Ben, to further your analogy, stop-drop-and roll... It's the same thing as attempting to rescue a drowning person. You have to be a strong enough swimmer to save both yourself and them. Lindsay, I agree. I strongly feel that if you pull back the curtain, the Congress is listening to the voters (at least more than half). Just not the ones on TV I fear - so called leadership.
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
Ben: We gotta go to war now! NOW NOW!! WMD WMD!!! NOOW!! Sound familiar? The ONLY time I want government to act quickly is when the ENTIRE nation is in agreement. And sad to say, we just aren't on the approach to this problem. Until we are, slow is what we are gonna get.
- Berial
Ben Parr: So you would feel better about yourself, having killed your best friend faster and with more pain? To each his own, I guess. In this case, I don't see the panic. Margin calls are a bitch, but extending them is no answer.
- Eric Lewis
I don't think a bailout is going to fix the fundamental flaws in our economy. At best we can push off the real pain to our kids. But I think we have done enough to screw up their future already.
- Seth Gottlieb
from twhirl
Brian, thank you! That is what I'm saying too... Let's get some education on this... Not TOO much, but enough to help us through what is a very complex issue for the average American. I think America is very divided on issues at this point. Just look at poll numbers, just look at the $700B bail-out plan vote. Lindsay, what I fear we are allowing this issue do to all of us is spread the disaster scenario even further, we are allowing someone else to dictate the pace of our actions - which you know is flawed.
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
It's posts like this that make me understand where panic originates. Those shouting FIRE are convinced of their righteousness.
- Eric Lewis
Eric, sorry if you think I'm being righteous, but if it's being righteous to suggest that we need to be more concerned about the future than the past then I am fine with being labeled that way. All I care about is finding the best solution for this problem and spending our time and research effort trying to figure out who's to blame does nothing. We should spend that same effort trying to understand the consequences of our next actions and pick the best option. Egos be damned.
- Her Lindsay-ness
socialmedian: Breitbart.tv » Bloomberg Analyst: $700 Billion Bailout Could Balloon to $5 Trillion - http://www.socialmedian.com/story...
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“So now they try to solve the problem by having this credit bubble actually extended and I think the $700 billion will be like a drop in the bucket because the total credit market in the U.S. is something close to $60 trillion, then you have the CDS market – credit default swap – of around $62 trillion. Then you have the whole derivatives worldwide worth about a notional $1,300 trillion. So the $700 billion is really nothing and the Treasury is just giving out this figure when actually the end figure may be $5 trillion.” Read the full article
- Michael Fidler
from Bookmarklet
Obama says 'stay calm;' McCain camp slams Democrats - CNN.com - http://www.cnn.com/2008...
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""Barack Obama failed to lead, phoned it in, attacked John McCain and refused to even say if he supported the final bill. ... This bill failed because Barack Obama and the Democrats put politics ahead of country," he said."
- jcunwired
from Bookmarklet
Actually, virtually every account of McCain's return to Washington speaks the opposite. Well, it was Bush who insulted Obama, but still, Bush=McCain. Lies again from the right. Can't we all just get along?
- jcunwired
And to top it all off, apparently it was all black folks' fault all along!
- Internet's Tad
ya, i read half way through the article and it smacks of false spin against obama, am I missing something.
- David Lynch
Ludicrous on its face. McC must think we're stupid and that we can't read. Obama says "Everyone chill, we're in for a bumpy ride" and McC freaks out "My hair is on fire my hair is on fire and Barack Obama did it!!"
- Dave Winer
Surprised McCain isn't trying to spin it: "See, if I hadn't gone to the debates on Friday, this bill would have passed!"
- Les Zaldor
Dave, its not that he thinks "we're" stupid, but rather he KNOWS that republicans will believe him. I ain't saying it, but by powers of deduction, we can easily figure out where stupidity reigns here.
- jcunwired
The McCain talking point of Obama "phoning it in" is hilarious to me. After the debate, McCain sped to DC, didn't visit the Hill, but took a minute to go around the corner to his campaign headquarters. When asked why he didn't go to the Capital his aides said: “he can effectively do what he needs to do by phone.’’ http://tinyurl.com/53gyks THUD
- Anika
The parallel with FDR and Herbert Hoover is fascinating. One says "stay calm", the other first says there's nothing wrong with the economy and then totally flips around and starts fear-mongering. What did they say about those who never studied history again?
- Victor Ganata
The Right Wingers are now trying to spread the meme that black folks caused the current financial crisis. Wow. Stunned. Breathless. Unimaginable. WTF?
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Now, Tad. Be fair. They're blaming Hispanics, too.
- Steven Perez
that is just sooo wrong!! WTF? is right!
- Susan Beebe
Seriously? Do we have a source for this?
- Lindsey is Fierce!
Tad, its been going on for awhile now. Throw in a little Bill Clinton, and you have pretty much the full picture. Extremely lame.
- jcunwired
Plenty of investment bankers made a million and then leveraged for a $20 million dollar McMansion. Everyone got caught up.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
+10 Steven
- teh Dork Knight aka Kenny
Lindsey, it's all over FriendFeed. Yesterday, I saw 5 posts on it and today a few more. Here's one: http://tinyurl.com/3u8ge2
- Anika
How about the greedy white men who wanted more than they could afford?
- Cyndy
This is what I am worried about: Morons that need to blame a group en masse. Wait for it. . . .wait for it . . . Jews are next on the list. That train's never late!
- Peter Ghosh
So why are we in this current financial crisis?
- Mike Lewis
This has everything they love. Blame Clinton. Blame minorities. Unfortunately, the CRA only covers about 30% of the insitutions that provide loans. The truth is the subprime crisis is all about greed on wall street and they loved securities backed by homes. People made a lot of money.
- stretta
from twhirl
@mike: WHITE people, of course.
- teh Dork Knight aka Kenny
Steve said it best on another thread: You mean the repeal of the Glass-Steagal Act with the Gramm (yes, Phil)-Leach-Bliley Financial Services Modernization Act? Here's a link to the Center for Research on Globalization that contextualizes that and other causes: http://tinyurl.com/4729cf and here's the Wikipedia link for the Gramm bill: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G... - steplow is Steve
- Peter Ghosh
Three words - FLIP THIS HOUSE. When you buy a house for 100k, make 50k worth of improvements, and sell it for 300k less than 3 months later.. . .um, yeah, it's going to have an effect. The behavior was only encouraged by banks, Home Depot, the TLC network, etc.
- Peter Ghosh
Tad, it's that mentality that's going to lose the election for Barack if the polls remain close. I posted a message earlier that during an informal poll this weekend among friends (and I'm ashamed) that 4 out of 15 people OPENLY indicated they would NOT vote for Barack because he's black. I live in the NYC area and this came as a shock to me. Vote against him for his policies, not his skin color. I'm disgusted and am seriously rethinking some of my friendships. Racism is alive and well, unfortunately.
- Steve Sebestyen
from twhirl
+100 Peter.
- Steven Perez
I like blaming TLC for it. And Ty Pennington and those annoying Sears commercials.
- Cyndy
Don't blame the Sears commercials...some of them have Felicia Day in them, which is pretty cool.
- Alex Scoble
Tad, you're not being entirely honest here - they're blaming gays as well.
- Alexander Carlill
Can someone show me a link to this meme? I don't see any that in this thread that link to it
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Shey - I provided 2 links...
- Internet's Tad
I clicked your links Tad and I saw the article -- but where's the meme? If there are people on FriendFeed blaming Blacks for the crisis, I want to know about it.
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
It's not so much a FF meme as a political discussion meme across all outlets. Of course, if $700 Billion had REALLY been spent on mortgages for minorities, wouldn't ALL minorities have a nice house now?
- Jason Carreira
This is a time when some of those far right pricks are showing themselves.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
I'm sorry Shey - I didn't mean a FF specific meme. I meant in general. It's a political meme propagated by some in the GOP.
- Internet's Tad
Ann Coulter said that one of the causes was affirmative action. Is that what you mean?
- Trish R
I apologize, America. I caused the financial crisis because I am black. Please forgive me.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
No way Rah! You fix it and you fix it NOW young man.
- Internet's Tad
pure desperation. i wouldn't rise to it. its the intended plan - to divert attention from the real 'dire' issues
- ray
Yes, Peter. And as everyone knows, the only people on those shows were black people. </snark>
- Anika
many of the pundits who have shows and continuous appearances on FOX have stated this unapologetically (cavuto, malkin, hannity, coulter, etc). it's like a memo went out somewhere along the line to come out and make this part of economic downfall in order to garner support for their side. it's no coincidence
- Cee Bee
no, its not the a-holes at the top who got greedy? Lets just blame a major portion of the population that couldn't afford how ridiculous the housing market had gotten, and followed the golden carrot they projected in front of them. And by the way I know plenty of white sub-prime borrowers. Racism pisses me off, majorly.
- InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
It's not even honest racism. It's cold, cynical fake racism. These folks don't REALLY believe that black people caused the crisis. They're just saying it in an attempt to rally the extremely ignorant and racist elements of their base. The same folks who think Obama is a sekkrit Muslim. They're in a panic mode because the majority of their base is demoralized and they're trying to rally any troops that'll listen.
- Internet's Tad
Tad: I blame these guys: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Berial
This is why I hate the radio.
- Pete Delucchi
How Big Is The Bailout? - http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_dai...
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fascinating stuff
- Will DeLuca
from Bookmarklet
great graphic
- Jeff (the メガマクダジ of FF)
Puts it into perspective... it may be irrelevent now.
- Steve Sebestyen
from twhirl
So for those who claim that the Republican Party (with a little Democratic help) plunged us into crisis over a seven year period, this bill would allow both parties to achieve the same result in seven days.
- Ontario Emperor
I've been debating on a way to share good stuff like PDFs etc with the FF community, so I decided this morning to use a drop at Drop.io and feed it in. First contender is a PDF full of stick figures explaining the economic nose dive =)
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Comes up a bit wonky, no detail... Does Evernote do RSS feeds?
- Johnny Worthington
John, I setup Drop.io just because I'd used it before as a file recipient. If anyone has a better suggestion than I am all ears =D
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
great idea Tina!
- Zee.
Glen... even better! OK, I'm going back to bed...
- Johnny Worthington
Just so you know, my wife just asked why I got out of bed and I said 'I needed to suggest something to a friend" She asked if it was a FriendFeed friend and I said yes. Her response... "You are so lame, FAIL"... God I love her so much :)
- Johnny Worthington
I'm checking out Scribd now, so we'll see if it's more intuitive. And John: you don't fail! WIN!
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
If it's what I think it is, that document is fantastic and simple... I posted a Powerpoint version of it on Dropbox but nobody looked at it *sniffle*. Still, the dropbox interface is great for this sort of thing.
- Steve Sebestyen
from twhirl
Steve, I'll take a look at Dropbox as well. I like the Scribd interface, but am having a bear of a time figuring out how to get a feed of just my documents... But yes, the document is very easily understood, though perhaps a touch crass at times. Not that there's anything wrong with that =)
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
could I comment that I love the stick figure post?
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
Ken, it's hilarious isn't it? I've no idea where it came from, but I'd love to find out and give the author +123948719 internets.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
You can save PDFs to Delicious and other bookmarking sites too.
- Roney Smith
Roney, these are PDFs that are on my desktop; does Delicious now offer upload capability?
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Tina, you could use Evernote (if you set up a public notebook it does have an RSS feed you can subscribe to). The only problem might be that you're limited to 40mb of uploads a month with the free account. I don't know how much space your PDFs take but it's an option. :)
- Her Lindsay-ness
Nuf Said… « Vincent Laforet’s Blog - http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2008...
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Love it.
- Jeremy Kunz
from Bookmarklet
Awesome!
- Anthony K. Valley ©
Why I’m Getting Tired of FriendFeed - http://www.newsgrange.com/2008...
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From NewsGrange: "Yesterday, people posted screenshots of their desktops – the day before – pictures of themselves – tomorrow, it’s going to be a picture of their feet. FriendFeed (or at least the part that I am subscribed to) is becoming a completely self-referential community that creates less and less value for me."
- Louis Gray
from Bookmarklet
Agree? Disagree? Let them know in the comments. (And no, this is not my site or opinion)
- Louis Gray
It's a little harsh, although I do accept that there has been a serious shift with FF. Where as it was once primarily a secondary discussion around posts, today it's a full blown social network in its own right. And I might add, it's a network I'm happy to be part of, and unlike facebook, it's one I'm happy to spend time in
- Duncan Riley
It's impossible to create aggregator that shows exactly the content you want. FF can be fine-tuned with lists and hides to filter, but it can't be perfect, either. I think all the meme's etc bring the community together and makes them more likely to add more useful content, too :)
- Jemm
Agree
- Stefano
They should subscribe to fewer people. My tech list doesn't participate in most of the memes and I don't click like on many of them either.
- Robert Scoble
So come on, who's going to start the "Photo of my feet" meme?
- Bec Rowe @d0tski
I think tagging / categorizing would bring more value as I want to add both fun and tech content. Tags would help filtering data for my followers from my end.
- Jemm
use the lists feature, which i find to be a great sorting tool on FF, and adjust your filtering strategy. personally, i don't mind the pictures of people, and their feet... it brings a little bit of humanity to what is an essentially unnatural activity...sitting in front of a computer, that is...
- .LAG liked that
FF needs to step up its filtering. None of the noise referenced on Newsgrange -- a nearly naked site, by the way -- would be evident if the author could exclude posts containing the word "meme" in the title. Beyond that: boo-hoo. Sorry to track our muddy feet across your pristine, sterile, unsocial network. People are noisy, and people have arrived.Figure out how to see what you want or move on to the next Pure Land.
- Chris Baskind
I would have to disagree. Maybe its just the people but I honestly didn't see many post about the list at all. And also, sure there are many useless memes, but I see may great photos, news stories, personal stories, funny things, etc throughout the day. I don't know what Friendfeed your referring to, but its not the one I'm a part of.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
if you're only getting your feet wet with Friendfeed and playing around in the home feed, then yeah, I agree it's convoluted (although, personally that works for me). However, with just a little tuning of the rooms and lists, you can avoid most of that stuff, if you really wanted to. For me, I'm only peripherally interested in the tech news, it's everything else that goes on here that really strikes my fancy.
- Pete Delucchi
Chill out dudes, it's not that serious bisnes. It's funny and nice to see what people has :)
- Kristian Salonen
ببینید این ها هم از فرفر خسته شدن !
- Milad.p
Todays "Picture of me as a child meme" makes me think that he's right. Its really getting on my nerves.
- Roberto Bonini
Agree with Duncan. Also, conversations seem to start around threads begun in rooms like "Apps" or "Goodies". Where the context is set.
- Stu Andrews
The page is blank. :(
- Kevykev
ff key: separate signal from growing noise
- Igor Poltavskiy
I for one appreciate the non-tech posts, just as much as the tech posts. Friendfeed isn't just for discussing OAuth...
- Matt Harwood
I agree, this isn't Techfeed or Oneparticularsubjectfeed, this is Friendfeed which means that pretty much anything and everything can be shared. That is why you can connect so many different services to Friendfeed and why you have rooms based on different topics. Yes, there are some instances of noise. But, I must say that even as I've subscribed to more and more people I'm not really encountering any noise. And the only things I find myself hiding are post in languages other then English.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
on the topic, i think duncan said it well early in the thread & louis what sort of site have you linked to, its a void except for this mindless "hating" ff now that its diverse post - that's not like you...
- mike "glemak" dunn
I see the point but it's simply a matter of subscribing to the people who interest you/who post articles/shares you are interested in. I don't get it. Doesn't this person know how to do this? Was FF created for tech news only? The name certainly doesn't suggest that. You can share what you like, if the reader doesn't like it then they can unsubscribe or create a friend list tailored to their needs.
- Kol Tregaskes
Great buttons on FF.. Hide, Unsubscribe & Block. Don't like what someone says, just hit one of those buttons. Problem solved. :) Wish I had them in real life. Granted I probably would be as alone as Wil Smith in I Am Legend.
- CW™
After joining FF, my activity on all other sites has not slightly decreased, but I am happy with FF cos' now I don't have to login to all those sites just to see what others have posted. I log into them only if I want to post something. Otherwise I carry on discussion only on FF. In simple words, I love FriendFeed!
- kunwar
Mike, I saw the site left a trackback on Robert's list. It does seem to be a bit of a hit and run.
- Louis Gray
Bah, whinging because of FF's increasing variety and diversity - it's still social media, so there will be social aspects. FF's slowly diverging from it's original tech bias, deal. Use the tools provided, block, unsubscribe, or use lists to remove what you don't like or simply be more discerning in subscriptions.
- Mo Kargas
Talk about linkbait... well, he got what he wanted.
- Sprague D
I don't find anything wrong with a random meme when you are still contributing to the tech community. If the early adopters would like a tech list to dabble in information create a room and hang out in it! I happen to like a bit of diversity on FF... it adds to the value for me. Isn't too much of a photo meme the same as me getting pissed off on the 30000 Google Chrome posts? Or the iPhone App posts that litter my home feed? You can get tired of stupid, funny postings. You can get tired of random noise and
- Kyle Lacy
chatter. The last thing you need to do is get tired of FriendFeed. If you are tired of personality and a community of diversity, go quarantine yourself in Strandz. :-) This is what social media is all about. Have a good day everyone!
- Kyle Lacy
Definitely Kyle, once again on the ball mate
- Mo Kargas
Louis, and all, I did stop by and thank the author for sharing his/her opinion. I have no worries with listening to the opinion and am not offended. Robert is fairly accurate in his assessment, as is Mathew (and many others). I have come for conversation on all manner of topics. I am interested in more than simply tech, and I hope that my likes and comments reflect that. I have begun to really enjoy the oddball humor and many interesting recommendations that come from everyone I subscribe to. Keep it up.
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
I don't understand why any of you who are involved in tech and promoting new applications would feel like the growing popularity of Friendfeed is a bad thing. Why would anyone publicly discourage the growth and development of any application in the mainstream? Is it only a great application when it's shiny and new and yet undiscovered by the masses? Personally, I get tired of reading the same tech posts linked by 20 different people.
- Trish R
This happens to every social site - as the community grows, it tends to trend towards the kind of stuff that a large community can agree on, which tends to be funny pictures and dumb memes more than thoughtful commentary. Bolstering the rooms feature for more topical discussion would help greatly with this; in the meantime I'd suggest just culling your friends list.
- Eric P
You can't tell people what to do or share. You can just filter the people you find interesting, and make good use of the rooms and lists features.
- Alejandro
I like friendfeed as it has become. its a community of different people and different ideas. to qoute public enemy "bring the noise!" :)
- (jeff)isageek
USEFUL CONTENT MEME! LOLzorz.
- teh Dork Knight aka Kenny
This is what turned me off FriendFeed for awhile, and after trying to come back the same thing. I'm not going to call out any names but I got tired of seeing FUNNY PICS and just silly things that isn't new, just midly interesting, and most of it I had seen before on sites like Reddit, Digg, etc. .. My goal of FriendFeed was to be able to connect to people of like-mindedness on things I am interested in. Perhaps it's the people I'm subscribed to but even searches for things I'm interested in don't turn...
- Bartek Ciszkowski
(Continued comment) .. up very intriguing results. I've participated in one or two memes because I was bored but the FriendFeed problem is the same as any social-based network: You have your star players, they get all the attention, they post most of the links, and it becomes centered around them. It's too much effort to block/unsubscribe and filter it all out so now I'm stuck thinking how I can make FriendFeed useful for me.
- Bartek Ciszkowski
I know how you feel.. I can post a link and it'll get ignored. Someone else with a higher profile will post the same thing and it'll generate a load of activity. This is a central problem I notice across the net - it's billed as the great equaliser but it isn't, people don't have a fair shout because of human nature and its tendancy to coaless around "prominent personalities" and cliquish behaviours. I doubt this is a "problem" that can be fixed by technology as it sits much deeper.
- alphaxion
@alphaxion I've had that happen a few times. At first I was kinda miffed that I'd posted something topical and relevant and got no response, and then someone else had posted the same link a couple of hours later and got 30-40 comments. Still, I still post stuff I find interesting, and that I hope others will too. If we don't post links, because we think that it will always only be the high-profilers ones that get read, then it WILL always only be theirs that get read!
- Ian May
Kyle, you said "I don't find anything wrong with a random meme when you are still contributing to the tech community." The problem is when a bunch of people participate in every meme: those people stop functioning productively in the tech community. P.S. I'm glad my month-long curmudgeonry about MemeFeed has finally gotten mainstream!
- Mark Trapp
There's something productive about the contributions of the tech community? News to me - a thousand people going "ZOMG Google Chrome!!!" and "Dude check out my iPhone!" strike me as being about as useful as lolcats but less interesting.
- Eric P
There's a tech community on FriendFeed? Where? I see a lot of talk about Web 2.0 sites and using webapps, but very very little about tech.
- Jason Carreira
@Mark What is a productive tech community?
- Kyle Lacy
@ian I know, I have the same philosophy with everything - I post to my site even though no-one goes to it, I produce podcasts that no-one will see nor hear. I don't care about any lack of traffic, I do it cause I want to. If someone else picks up on it, ok. If I change one persons opinion, fantasic job done. @jason we are there, it's just we don't have many subscribers to hear it ;)
- alphaxion
It was just Sunday night - everyone is more relaxed over the weekend.
- Jesse Stay
+1 Jesse. Thank you
- Kyle Lacy
Agreed to a certain point. (I still like having fun with you all.) I will do my best to be more informative instead of entertaining. I will go for being 80% informative and 20% entertaining/fun. I don't want to treat FriendFeed like a Face Book or MySpace application or see it become one. I originally came to FF to follow some of the greatest tech minds ever and learn from them. I’m not apologizing for following the meme’s, but I will cut back from some of them.
- David Cook
Breakfast is still for WINNERS!
- Thomas Hawk
at this point, for most people (ie not tech bloggers who have a vested interest in staying on the cutting edge) fun and cutting up has more value than more information. I lost interest in friendfeed when it was the opposite -- when all my FOAFs became saturated with attention whores whoring after the attention of my early adopter friends with floods of links and already beaten-to-death analysis of the latest tech news quantum. I'm not including L.G. in this, but -- I'll take thedesktops and picture memes.
- Jeremy Raines
I still find it to be pretty useful. I don't check it everyday mostly because it requires more time to dig through everything and involve myself in some discussions that interest me. Yes there is a lot of noise but that unless your FOF is completely unmanageable there you can often find some great stuff buried in all that noise.
- Devlin Dunsmore
from twhirl
The problem I'm seeing is that people spend more and more of their time on the silly memes - which I suspect leaves little or no time to read worthy articles that are shared (often by less-popular users), and certainly almost no time to comment on them, especially considering how quickly they get buried by the meme entries. FF will need to overcome this.
- Aviv
The past 2-3 weeks have seen a huge upsurge in FF photo traffic, which is a direct result of the new photo feature being so easy to use now after the recent FF beta went into production (some of us were aware of how to use mail2ff app (which I think FF later acquired). So, I was expecting this increase; however, it certainly went viral when all these "meme" photos popped up. Early on, I suggested a MEME Room to contain all the madness so folks could manage their preferences to opt in/out. Cont'd.......
- Susan Beebe
Cont'd....... Also, I think we're seeing a genuine interest in folks getting to know each other better. This generated the whole photos idea, which seems to have cemented new online friendships and opened the door to a plethora of new "memes" thereafter. I still think we need a "meme room" to filter in/out this new content type. In the end, this all may be just a short-lived trend.
- Susan Beebe
as for the "silly meme" trend on ff, i don't mind them but haven't really participated much (i have very little time) - i have created a specialty list called "high volume" that gets most of these out of my primary feed/lists, it has cut down the noise but i still can go scan through them when time allows - works for me...
- mike "glemak" dunn
Gang, is FriendFeed specifically geared towards tech, or was it simply the early adopters that found and spread the concept of "life streaming"?
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
If Newsgrange doesn't like what the people they follow are posting, they can simply change who they follow. To whine about this is a total waste of their time! Talk about ironic and not having a clue.
- Dread Pirate PJ
I think FriendFeed is becoming more than just a place for tech. Depending on the people you subscribe to, you could have a nature feed, you could have a geeky feed, you could have a tech feed and so on. I think FriendFeed is able to grow along with the diverse users. FriendFeed has the power to become a strong and powerful resource for anyone. Period. Regardless of anything, literally.
- Amir
Calacanis: Collapsing Economy Will Kill 50%-80% Of Startups - http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008...
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i don't completely agree with Jason's prediction (don't 80% of all startups fail even in GOOD times anyway?), but the post is sobering and worth reading. personally, i think it's a great time to start an internet business... but probably not so great if you've already raised $5-10M+ and haven't found a business model yet.
- dave mcclure
from Bookmarklet
Totally agree with you Dave ... this is the perfect time to start! If you can figure out a revenue model now, you are on your way to a highly successful business.
- Nick O'Neill
from twhirl
Exactly - same challenges are there that always were there. It's just much more obvious now.
- Jesse Stay
like @dave's comment
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
@dave: 100% support you, healthy startups with reasonable business models will be sure to survive and even one-man shows will have better chances of succeeding now that less venture-backed products are launched.
- Svetlana Gladkova
Because I've seen it posted here: Barack Obama is **NOT** the most liberal senator in Congress. The most liberal senator is Bernie Sanders from Vermont, and that's because he is a socialist. Thanks for playing "Your Talking Points Suck".
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Voting record for comparison to Obama's: http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate...
- Steven Perez
Seriously, this drives me nuts. Every few months, someone new (usually someone prominent in the news cycle) is the "most liberal Congressperson" ever. Find new talking points already, because we now have this wonderful new invention called the Internet, where we can check on your scurrilous claims.
- Steven Perez
Steven, what rank is Obama then? Is he the most liberal who is not a Socialist? Most liberal Democrat? Second most liberal? I agree the Internet is wonderful. But you are not helping your cause by saying Obama is less liberal than the only socialist in the Senate. Thanks for playing "You just shot yourself in the foot". ;)
- Oldengrey (Jay)
When exactly did liberal become a dirty word? Look it up in the dictionary - trust me, you want a liberal raise. You want a liberal portion of pecan pie. End of the day, labels mean nothing and only serve to create friction and sell more detergent. Let's look at issues and ideas.
- AJ Kohn
AJ: Not a dirty word at all. It's a common descriptor that gives dimension outside of party affiliation. Conservative is the same kind of word. I'm all for issues and ideas. Just thought it was funny to use a socialist to prove this particular point.
- Oldengrey (Jay)
It's hard to compare someone that has been in office for just during Bush's Administration and someone else who has been around through other admins--purely on how they have voted--of course he has voted liberal during this administration--so have A LOT of democrats-the admin has forced them too. It would be more accurate to just go back the time period Obama has been in office and then compare them--or actually look that their views and policy ideas.
- Kelly W.
Hmm, gee, an argument about talking points, so informative.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Jay: I submit that ranking who is or isn't "the most liberal Senator" is a false argument, put forth only to divide loyalties of the American voting populace. The real question is not who is the most "liberal" of senators; the real question is "What have you done with the people's trust with your time in the Senate?" Playing with labels is a fool's game.
- Steven Perez
We've seen what's happened to the country while it has been controlled by "conservatives." I say it's time for a "liberal.'
- Internet's Tad
Folks, seriously, this is all a lot of hot air. Instead of pissing each other off arguing about pointless banality, can we try to talk about some stuff that actually matters? I know, I'm tilting at windmills here.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Even though we all may "start building our bridge" from a different place wouldn't it be best if we all built it together?
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Jason: thank you. That is entirely my point.
- Steven Perez
Steven: Like I said, I was just responding to your post. It was your point and your gripe. Look at the tone of your original post. You certainly have enough people who agree with you. I have been properly chastened, for not arguing the issues on a post that was not arguing the issues. I will now exit the echo chamber.
- Oldengrey (Jay)
My "tone"? I react to a gross distortion in a proportional manner, and the issue is my tone?!?
- Steven Perez
Chinese regulator calls US lending 'ridiculous' - http://biz.yahoo.com/ap...
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"U.S. lending standards before the global credit crisis were "ridiculous," and the world can learn from China's more cautious system as it considers financial reforms, the top Chinese bank regulator said Saturday."
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
from Bookmarklet
Pandora:CONGRESSIONAL EMERGENCY! Pandora needs our help now! - http://blog.pandora.com/pandora...
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A call to arms for radio fans: Pandora needs you now | Feeds | ZDNet.com - http://friendfeed.com/e...
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When I spoke to Pandora founder Tim Westergren last week he told me that there would be a time when the Internet radio site would need to issue a call to arms to its listeners — that time is now.
- Colide81 (James)
bump!
- Colide81 (James)
Thanks James! :) Lucia, from Pandora
- Pandora Radio
@Lucia I love Pandora so I will fight till the very end! :-)
- Colide81 (James)
TPS report?!?!?! on Flickr - http://flickr.com/photos...
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Hope he remembered the new cover sheet.
- Internet's Tad
Katie Couric just said "It really was experience versus judgment, wasn't it?"
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That was very well put.
- Alex Scoble
Yeah, that's what I thought....
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I would tend to agree with this, Tina.
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
In fact, I have the same question with Biden and Palin, actually.
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
That debate should prove *most* interesting. My husband will be at pool, so I will be free to yell at the TV whenever necessary.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
From a high level it might appear that the VP debate would be the mirror image of tonight but I think Biden will be careful not to come off as condescending.
- Steve Sebestyen
from twhirl
Oh, I can't wait for the Biden / Palin debate! It could take 'experience vs judgment' to a whole new level. I just can't see Palin speaking with any depth on most of the topics. She has not been able to do so thus far, I can't see that changing over the course of a couple of weeks.
- Jeff P. Henderson
As long as Biden doesn't come across as McCain a la "I don't think Mrs. Palin understands..." then it's all good.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
thanks for doing the room steve - tossing aleve to all the future hang overs and watch those sharpie dick folks
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Yeah, thanks, Steve. :)
- Steven Perez
Yep. Thanks, Steve...you're swell. ;)
- Bonita Garrabrant
Yes, kudos Steve!
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
Good job, Steve.
- Rochelle
Yeah, thanks Steve.
- Alex Scoble
Yeah Steve....thanks for even allowing Republicans to enter.
- Jennifer Marie Sandbank
Yeah, thanks Steve, it was fun. :) I love how civil everyone has been.
- Mol, Time Warping
Yes, that was a fantastic idea!
- Mathew™ one of a kind
The room was great! I needed the laughs to calm me after listening to politicians drone on about nothing.
- Nathaniel Payne
I approve the room message.
- Michael W. May
from twhirl
I echo Molly. This room was a lot of fun, surprisingly civil, and truly enlightening. Thanks, Steve Isaacs!
- Mark Czerniec
I agree. Thank you Steve!
- Tamara J.
MCCAIN, "I've done this, and I've done that, and I've known so-and-so for 35 years, and I talk slow and blink because I lie" OBAMA: "I fucking got this, people."
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McCain been doing it for 35 years, but couldn't get to the big chair. Its a pretty sad state of the republican party if McCain is the best they got.
- CW™
Please let that be true, Pete. I'm in such a bad mood right now. I wanted Obama to take it directly to McCain more than he did. Felt like a lot of defense/clarification to me. I hope it came across differently to undecideds.
- Ayşe E.
i do think he got caught up in trying to correct or defend himself against mccain's attacks a bit much. there should have been more energy with his offense and attempts in trying to lead the debate
- Cee Bee
If McCain thinks Obama doesn't have the experience needed in a dangerous world, whey did he pick Sarah Palin with even less fp exp? #current
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The CNN audience lines all synchronize when Obama speaks. He's using voodoo mind-control.
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Whoa.... totally right, that's freaky
- Steve Sebestyen
McCain will reach across the aisle, but he won't look across the f**king room.
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nice!
- Peter Ghosh
LOL!
- Steven Perez
he needs to say that
- Peter Ghosh
That's cause he can't see that far... plus it's hard to turn his head
- Steve Sebestyen
One at a time, one at a time, that means both SHUT UP and let Jim talk.
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Notice how cockily and smoothly Obama said "Ahmedinejad" after McCain's Akhmemeninaninanonanonanojadoojade effort.
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puh, puh, perestroika
- anna sauce
OMG MCCAIN LOSES
- Akiva Moskovitz
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
- Steve Sebestyen
LOL.
- Tamara J.
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