This feature is a "negativity" and "spite" magnet; voting always is; which is why FF, FB, flickr adopt "faving/bookmarking* than "voting". *' like ' is meant to be just a shorter/nicer name for bookmark. Let's remove this feature.
The ultimate issue for me is how to to flag something that might be a negative thing (war, earthquake, death, etc.). "Flag" might work since it has no negative or positive connotation.
- CAJ, somewhere else
"Like" has become a common term though. I'd say keep the term to avoid confusion.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
To me, "flag" is something negative. A lot of websites use "flag" to mark something as against TOS, for admin to review.
- Rochelle
I don't think "Dislike" is necessary. Adding a comment like ":-(" or "ugh" or "sorry" acknowledges and bumps the post without the double meaning that comes along with "Like" for those who feel uncomfortable with that terminology.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
I wouldn't say "flag" that's like "Flag for moderation". I think bump or promote work well because that's what it does. You may not like what you're bumping but you think it deserves attention.
- Spidra Webster
like is just a re-tweet...doh...a tool to pull content to your followers..its not about "liking/disliking" something
- Chris Hofmann
"vijay bookmarked this" just doesn't have the same ring to it.
- dthree
what also is needed is comment rating with + and - it could be used like digg does (filter the bad stuff, sort by most +,...)
- Chris Hofmann
Removed that bullet point from the wiki page. I'm all for some other moniker besides "like" which could be more neutral of opinion or emotion - something that says "I took notice of this and so should you", but not in those exact words because it would take up too much space :P
- Kevin L
lol Kevin! :D We can put up a poll with about 10 options for an alternative next week.
- vijay
ha! okay! put it to vote. i liked that openff.com won btw.
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
"like" = bookmark. sometimes you don't have any comment but you just wanna bookmark it.
- vijay
then do not call it "like"! (what a strange wording...)
- minus-one
like = "I like that this was brought to my attention". Technically it's a strange wording but practically it doesn't work.
- vijay
like I said earlier, we will be putting some alternatives for "like" to vote next week. I will DM you the thread so you can also throw in options that you think are good alternatives to "like".
- vijay
@vijay: "I like that this was brought to my attention" <- try to do the same trick with「お気に入り」... ;)
- minus-one
yeah, call it "reshare" already (or something...)
- minus-one
I think the point is to have the same functionality without the implication that the post pleased you in some way. For example, bad news - it doesn't seem right to "like" it, but you want others to see it in their feeds. Somebody start scouring the dictionary :)
- Kevin L
Is it wrong for me to feel a certain sense of betrayal? I didn't spend all my time here making connections, adding in interesting content and trying to get friends to join so that friendfeed would get acquired by Facebook.
I guess I should be glad that I made a bunch of new friends here and have learned a lot, but I just wish that the guys at friendfeed hadn't sold out to a company that doesn't really need what friendfeed has.
- Alex Scoble
But let's be honest, they built this to make money and survive. Gotta say I'm pleased it's shown to be worth something, and I'm guessing a significant something for FB to acquire them. Wonder if they were offered shares in FB as part of the deal?
- Mark Aitken
I guess we are all betrayed - in certain terms.. but FB should have done its market research before it got this property. Most of the USERS are not happy with FB type of connections or that property , so we left and looked for something better, it was FF. Now a new hunt will begin !
- Peter Dawson
actually, you kinda did. if users like you didn't create so much value, Facebook wouldn't have acquired (notwithstanding feelings of betrayal).
- jeffscott
I share your sentiments in many ways. I have been proud to tell others who had no idea that FF existed how good it is (lets hope not was!) Lets hope they keep the spirit alive. By the way the minute I see any target 'phorm' style advertising, I am off to find a new up and coming. I wont run to Tumblr yet but I do have one foot in already, just in case.
- Kevin J Hatton
My immediate reaction was Facebook will push ads onto their users. I think FriendFeed could be seriously screwed up with live moving ads, so that's hopefully out of the picture from a purely usability view. Friendfeed is all about realtime web information. I then wonder how in that case will the monetise the relationship. My guess? Facebook will show live conversations and hopefully they will rip out the poor IM implementation in Facebook. The purchase may be nothing more sinister, I hope...
- Mark Aitken
Feeling a bit of betrayal, or unhappiness atleast. Have a Facebook account but rarely use it since it's a walled garden. Preferred Friendfeed for better technology, organization, but even more so it's openness!
- LonelyBob
Betrayed is a strong word, but I do feel a loss of ownership. And it's not like I really 'owned' the community, or the content I put into it. All the same, I contributed, and the more a person contributes to something, the more they feel a sense of entitlement (?) or ownership. Now it's as if I've had someone just pull a rug out from under me.
- cecily
I don't give 2 cents if that's wrong or not but I feel betrayed.
- vijay
Peter, I doubt FB gives a crap about FF users. FB wanted the talent that worked at FF, not the product.
- Jeff P. Henderson
I understand the sentiment, but this is the way of tech apps;.nothing stays the same for long. Feeling betrayed is not gonna change anything. Either you roll with the changes and try to force the positive, or you quit.
- Rene Wirtz
I agree with Cecily that betrayal is a strong word. I have always understood that FriendFeed is a free service, thus I can't claim control over it. Though, really, I wonder what s going to happen to my thousands of likes, comments, posts, etc.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
Completely concur with you Alex. Just goes to show maybe there is room for another platform...
- Arleen Anderson
As I said elsewhere, this was a talent + buzz acquisition. I sorta wish I could download my FF history and host it on my own server with SweetCron or something.
- Anthony Citrano
+1 Alex. EndFeed's the word... well, how about everybody grieves for 5 minutes, then gets the search for greener pastures under way. There was plenty to be improved about FriendFeed (been saying that since well before this announcement), so I just hope that someone else has the databasing/real-time wherewithal to build something like this, improved.
- Alex Schleber
Facebook doesn't even give a crap about their own users
- Alex Scoble
from IM
Do any of these sites give a crap though Alex? I understand what you are saying and how it makes you feel this way, but I realised a long time ago.. they are ALL businesses and the bottom line is NO they don't give a crap... because they are NOT depending on you to be ok..
- Rob Sellen :o)
friendfeed at least acted as though they gave a crap...at least until today. And there's nothing about being a business that says "crapping on your customers is OK". Business is business does not equal "screw your customers to make a buck".
- Alex Scoble
from IM
That and stunned. Lately I've been describing Friendfeed to the uninitiated as "a facebook without all the crap." Unfortunately, it looks like now it'll just be integrated into all the crap, if kept at all. That said, congratulations to the FF team - this is a big win for them and they deserve a lot of kudos. I look forward to the web apps they come up with in the future.
- Chris Rogers
"Is it wrong for me to feel a certain sense of betrayal?" - in an emotional sense, no. In a literal sense, yes, unless you can show me where FriendFeed made a commitment to you that they'd never change in a way that didn't fit your ideals for the service.
- Edward Coffey
i'm just hoping they will keep friendfeed separate and use it as a testing ground for new features.
- Edgar Rodríguez
They made a commitment to us when they built a service that wasn't called Facebook or Twitter. They made a commitment to us when they listened to our feedback and participated in our feeds. They made a commitment to us with their actions. A commitment that has been forever shattered with their deal with the internet equivalent of the devil.
- Alex Scoble
from IM
Lindsey is right.. the thing is Alex... friendfeed is STILL here... ;o) YOU are still here...
- Rob Sellen :o)
Not for long, Rob. I give friendfeed a year tops.
- Alex Scoble
from IM
And forget about any improvements to the site. You know that the team will be much too busy trying to figure out what the next iteration of Facebook should look like.
- Alex Scoble
from IM
I can empathize with these sentiments, but Social Media is a set of tools--I appreciate the connections I make, but I'm not getting too emotionally worked-up about the tools changing.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Yep , definitely a sense of foreboding there ... "for the time being"
- Tom Horn
why? friendfeed.com is not going anywhere is it... no reason this place couldn't stay.. what if they LOCKED friendfeed users in now.. said.. we WILL reward you users for helping us, testing things for us etc... ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Rob...did you not notice who bought them? Facebook is known for doing dick for their users.
- Alex Scoble
Absolutely not Alex, I feel the same way. About 18 months' collection of content, great friends, an open community all gone. We now are marched into an atmosphere of censorship and walled relationships where users don't amount to a hill of beans. Really, really sucks.
- jcunwired
I'm sure FF is going away one way or another; there's no way that the combined company is going to keep developing full steam ahead on both products. Is it wrong to feel betrayed? I don't know. I don't personally feel betrayed, but I guess I'm not nearly as invested in FF as you and others are. I do think the end result may be something positive though; the ability to interact with the larger FB community on this level is something that could be truly wonderful. Then again, it might just end in tears...
- Tristan Seligmann
Especially when we consider that while they built the tools, we as a community are what made it great - both with our usage, our dedication and our regular feedback to make the site better. As I said before, its our fault FB even looked this way.
- jcunwired
"...internet equivalent of the devil" - ohh-kayy...*backs away slowly*
- Edward Coffey
betrayal isn't the word i feel. it's just business. i do agree with Anthony Citrano: I wonder if there's a way to pull all of my stuff out of FF and put it on my own machine. the year I've spent here, and the 2+ years on Twitter and FB, have been to the detrimiment of my own writing and content creation. The thing about all social media is they depend on users to fill their cyber-vessels with content, and then they make a living off of that...but it's pretty difficult for you to reclaim your "stuff" later.
- .LAG liked that
If Google's motto is "do no evil" then Facebook's motto is "do whatever we want to our customers, even when it makes absolutely no sense"...yeah, I'd consider that to be bordering on evil.
- Alex Scoble
from IM
I did Alex.. Facebook sucks in many ways, they treat users like shit... BUT does this deal mean the actual end of frienfeed.com < the domain etc... what about if this place is used like a testing place and kept here? who knows?
- Rob Sellen :o)
Ironic that! ToS & privacy & UCG & bandwidth & yet how much of that can be measured without actuarial measurements of packet flow? Not surprised based on much of the commentary the past 18 months. Attribution & authenticity matters.
- Scott Moskowitz
from iPhone
I think betrayal is appropriate - the FB community is NOT the FF community. Even if they make it better, or build something completely new, they will at some point shut down or gut what they have here.
- Jennifer Dittrich
As long as my stuff is still indexed, I don't really care. I love Facebook - and I love watching my real friends interact with my Internet friends. :)
- Mona Nomura
FWIW TXT is a bigger "content" biz than music, movies, games combined ... Yet this was not a predictable exit? Come on ... Said many times - what is a fair split for UCG & those that skim the packet flow?
- Scott Moskowitz
from iPhone
Betrayal is definitely appropriate. So is apprehension and a little bit of anger.
- Mike Lewis
I feel the same way! I'm glad I'm not alone in that feeling. I have facebook I don't like it as much I like FF.
- Anna Lynn M.
I don't feel betrayed. I am, however, worried. And I know people will jump all over me and say that I am a fool for thinking that anything online can stay hidden. I wasn't naive enough to think I'd never be found, but I take steps to try to head that off. I don't use my full name, I don't link certain social sites to the blog, I don't let the blog be indexed, etc. And now, with one...
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- pea
I wouldn't worry about Facebook integrating your FriendFeed content into Facebook; that doesn't seem very likely to me.
- Tristan Seligmann
I feel you, Alex, and dread what is to come. But at the same time, seeing the reported terms of the deal, I don't think I would have turned it down either.
- Michael W. May
Alex - Think you'd have to agree (despite the fact we don't know everything) that they were smart. On the other hand, it's pretty obvious you're not alone in your sentiments (Funny - posted this to Robert's stream first by boo-boo :)
- Charlie Anzman
Alex, I feel your pain - but someone was going to acquire FriendFeed. It was inevitable. I'm just glad Facebook didn't buy Twitter.
- Bill Sodeman
I would rather that Google bought friendfeed and Facebook acquired Twitter. That would have been justice. This...this is a travesty.
- Alex Scoble
So would I alex..but it never happened..
- Rob Sellen :o)
Do you think Microsoft finish the job and eat Facebook?
- τorƍue
I love the way FriendFeed works, I hate Facebook interfaces. I wish there was another FriendFeed-like service to jump to.
- Amit Morson
I've never found Facebook to be intuitive, and I just enjoyed the manner of connecting here. Not sure what to feel now.
- Rick Cogley
I don't think it's wrong to feel betrayed. If Facebook bought Twitter, honestly I would feel the same way. I think they're going to shutter the store here, which is kind of sad, but we'll see....
- matt singley
My fears are threefold. I fear unavoidable unwanted integration. I fear the addition of the awful Facebook TOS, and I fear the loss of the community. That last one is the big one.
- Joe Pierce
Joe, perhaps FB may change their TOS...
- Bill Sodeman
It's all about the money, It's all about the dum dum didudumdum, I don't think it's funny...
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Bill, that is a nice thought but it is very doubtful. It would solve a lot of the problem I have with them if they did though. I seriously just don't want to lose the awesome community that has built up here. I mean without FF how would I keep up with Alex, its not like I live in the same town....oh wait /stalkermodeactivate!
- Joe Pierce
If you find any decent asylum, Ryo, please check a room for me, as well, please.
- Zackatoustra
from email
Guess we didn't read the Terms of Service carefully enough. :-(
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
I wish it was Twitter, Google, even Yahoo but not Facebook.
- Jacque
Would you have not spent all the time here (etc...) if you were told that this is a start-up business and could get acquired at any time? Or could run out of money and shut down at any time? At least you had a chance to make the connections and share/consume that content...for free. Looks like you're better off than you were before you joined, no?
- Mohamed J
Yes, that's probably an accurate way to describe it, a sense of betrayal. Of course, we're not paying money to use this good service though we are paying time and good will, so it can be argued I suppose that FF did not betray us. I'm feeling upset myself, because I have never liked FB much. I did not want to be on there but got invited by old friends. I don't like the walled garden...
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- Rick Cogley
I especially feel crappy because I evangelized FF aggressively among my friends, most of whom are on Facebook.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
To Alex Schleber: if you build it, we will come. Seriously, what Rick Cogley said too - I love that I can interact with almost anyone, not just people I'd interact with anyway and, in my case, have known forever. I love that it's like a small, really fun cocktail party with your friends, some of their friends, and a few strangers - as opposed to a convention (or, for me, a high school reunion!). Sad.
- Amy℠
It's not wrong to feel betrayed, but everyone has their price - sadly.
- David Jagger
The way the transaction was done is a betrayal of trust. Facebook can buy FF but not the trust of FF users. How much user pay for FF pay? Nothings? The time we invest in this application worth somethings unless you consider users of FF like shit.... Who care that crew of morons (FF users)? Just sell FF and move them like potatoes, right? Wrong! Trust can't be bought even with $50 Millions FriendFeed? Call it FailFriend. :S
- Claude LaFrenière
Yeah, Claude, it's definitely a trust thing.
- Rick Cogley
Here's my biggest issue with Facebook buying FriendFeed: I use the two services very differently. I only add people I know IRL as Facebook friends, but I follow a larger variety of people on FF. If FF gets sucked into Facebook, that's going to be hard to reconcile.
+1 Matt on "it just happens". Of course, this is all speculation. Maybe FF will remain a seperate entity. I just doubt it, since Facebook tends to consume the services they acquire.
- Jason Huebel
from IM
Same here, Jason; and +1 for Matthew's comment, too
- Andrew Terry
That's how I am when it comes to Facebook. I don't want to be forced to merge what I enjoy keeping seperate.
- jenali
from BuddyFeed
I was thinking the same thing, just trying to say possitive as you said, lol. Also, there are plenty of good reasons why "it just happens", but I figured it didn't need to be explained.
- Matthew Horton
from iPhone
George Costanza said it best, "Worlds are colliding!" I'm already trying to wean down my FB friends to actual folks I know, went to school with, etc.... In FF, I'll add anyone that has something interesting to say or share. How to manage this going forward, I have no idea. Even worse: my Palm Pre syncs with my Facebook friends. I don't want it to pull in all of my FF contacts since I'll likely never call them.
- Kevin C. Tofel
I started added people on FB that I didn't know IRL after FB improved the privacy settings. Now I can group and choose what people see. Works pretty well, but takes a little time to setup.
- Kenley Neufeld
from iPhone
@Kevin, I'm trying to avoid words like "worse" and the like. Like Kenley says, there are flexible privacy settings on FB. And considering the good engineering choices the FF guys have made so far, hopefully they'll continue to influence FF positively as it is integrated into FB.
- Jason Huebel
Me too. There's no one on Facebook I haven't known for over a decade. I keep it very simple and clean, and don't share much at all there because I hate (no, that's not too strong a term) Facebook's model. Plus, FB's UI is not geared to handling hundreds of people effectively.
- LogEx
Yeah, I'm even worse off...I've done a lot of work to subscribe to quality people here, whereas on Facebook I subscribe to anyone who's a gamer, so it's very high noise to signal. Going to be very difficult to reconcile.
- Alex Scoble
I agree that FB isn't geared toward managing a mass audience. Frankly, I find FB's interface cumbersome. It's why I enjoy FF so much. It's simple, gets the job done and gets out of your way. Hopefully it will stay that way.
- Jason Huebel
from IM
It's too early to tell how Facebook/Friendfeed integration will work. Wouldn't worry about it now.
- Alex Knight
Jason, what I did was created a "FriendFeeders" list, and unchecked the "show in my home feed" when adding a FriendFeed friend on Facebook. That's about the simplest way to import your FF friends at the moment so that they don't mix & mingle with your "real life" friends.
- Nathan Chase
What about the cap FB has on subscriptions though? There are bloggers I'd like to follow so I can see updates, but won't be able to because they're maxed out. Guess I just have to keep an eye on Twitter and Google Reader more?
- Matthew Horton
from iPhone
Exactly! Facebook is a very personal boring service that I keep to close friends. Friendfeed is my worldwide community of interesting people
- Keith - @tsudo
Well put Jason. Only similar functionality on FB is FB Groups, but those are so SLOW moving compared to FF, more "under the boot" of the moderator, and of course are missing all of the discovery elements like Likes/Cmts pushing items back up, aggregation into notification lists (Friend Lists), asf. Well, let's pray that the good stuff from FF gets transferred over into FB Groups.
- Alex Schleber
Facebook wants to be FF - no more "privacy" -- get rid of that misconception now. Zuckerberg will rip that layer off of Facebook. FB will be open like FF, just watch - that's gotta be on the roadmap. Walled Gardens are so 1999. Everyone copy FF and move on.
- Susan Beebe
you can filter and group your friends on facebook so all your random internet dudes and dudettes can't see shiat on your facebook profile
- Logan Lindquist
although this does take some e-elbow grease it can be worth it. :D
- Logan Lindquist
Susan, so they're going to make all the high school accounts public? FF has private accounts too.
- Cristo
I think facebook would be stupid to remove all privacy controls. it's clearly a feature for some subset of its users. I know people who use facebook who won't bother with other sites because they are too open (twitter, etc)
- Bill Kinney
from email
This video is just insane: A horse somehow galloped into traffic in Israel yesterday -- and successfully hurdled a car that was driving directly towards it, crushing the front windshield in the process.
- Reg Saddler (Zaibatsu)
"Conspiracy theorists divide the world into 'Everyone remotely qualified vs. Me' and decide they'll win single-handedly": http://www.cracked.com/funny-4...
"Among the folks who responded to our Summer Reading List was a librarian who asked if we could compile a similar bibliography of titles featuring historically under-represented groups, a challenge we happily accepted. Below are the results of our collective effort to identify comics and graphic novels that reflect America's real cultural diversity. Some of these titles, such as American Born Chinese and Incognegro, address issues of race, religion, and discrimination head-on, while others, such as Knights of the Lunch Table: The Dodgeball Chronicles and Blue Beetle: Shellshocked, present diversity as a simple fact of American life. Our list isn't intended to be exhaustive; as we imagine it, this document can and should be revised to reflect the publication of new books and to incorporate suggestions from librarians and teachers working in diverse communities. We welcome your feedback, and encourage you to add your own recommendations in the comment section below. "
- RAPatton
"Flat-panel displays based on organic LEDs are tipped to replace the now-ubiquitous LCD panels, thanks to a host of benefits including greater energy efficiency. Now researchers have shown that OLEDs can be made even more frugal by carefully choosing the balance of colours used to make up an image. Each pixel in an OLED screen is made from a spot of polymer that emits coloured light when supplied with power, and each uses different amounts of energy depending on the colour being displayed. At the same brightness, yellow, for example, uses less energy than magenta."
- Steven Perez
from Bookmarklet
but, will they b able to display anything besides teeth?
- chaz2b
Nope, unintended side effect: All pictures will now be made up entirely of tiny teeth.
- The Letter M
Yeah, but it's Generation X's fault that we have to look at all those "Y"s... We(they?) started it. (I get a little confused. I'm 30, so which side of the fence am I really on?)
- Kamilah Gill
Kamilah, I'm in the same boat. 31, and every definition says I fall between the X and Y cracks. Which, in light of this post, kinda grosses me out.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
LOLZ Tina. I guess it's the shadow effect of my parents being a little too young to be true Boomers. I'm a little too young to be Gen X
- Kamilah Gill
Just missing a strange looking tattoo and you're there Shey
- Charlie Anzman
According to that, I'm officially an Xer. Once again, I apologize on behalf of this entire generation for the saggy pants that refuse to go away. We though it was cute. Fun. Temporary.
- Kamilah Gill
I'm Generation Y. But my butt-crack is firmly concealed. Unless I'm at home...
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Contract job to redesign a staffing agency's website, plus if it works out he's going to promote me to other companies in the area. I think the employment drought is finally over!
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Congratulations! I have many family and friends who are looking for employment right now and I know how tough of a market it is. I'm very happy for you. Best wishes ;-)
- Holly Rae
I would fling panties right now, but I would have some explaining to do as to where I got them. Oh wait, you meant everyone ELSE? Sure, fling away!
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Yay! Wait, I missed where you didn't have one. What happened to Blellow? Or was that not a real job?
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
This calls for a celebration. :D And you know how we should celebrate? BY REVIEWING TWILIGHT. :D I'll bring the beer and cookies.
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
Really great, Sean. Hope we start seeing more of these kinds of posts.
- Trish Haley
Even better (and this will mark the SECOND time FF has led to job opportunity): I'll be working with Eric @ CS TechCast to redesign their podcasting site!
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Make that money, child. And then buy me something.
- Derrick
Louis Gray (and Mike Fruchter) have been compiling a list of FriendFeed users they recommend you follow. These lists have had some prominent users in them, and I'm happy to report I made the June 2009 edition! Weeeeeeee!! I've gotten a ton of new friend requests as a result and I'm happy for the Louis Gray stamp of approval. See you all on FriendFeed! Permalink | Leave a comment »
- Bwana ☠
Hey I didn't get a reward - no fair :-)
- Jesse Stay
I want to make a better badge for my sites :)
- Bwana ☠
As well you should! You need a stamp graphic "Louis Gray Approved!"
- Keith - @tsudo
Ha! Whose head is that in your image? :)
- Louis Gray
I do have a shirt though, which makes it all better
- Jesse Stay
*sniff* I was on one of the lists before LG took over the reins so I can't use the badge. Then again, I don't maintain my blog/s either, so it's no real loss I suppose... =D
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Louis - you can thank Bing image search for that one :)
- Bwana ☠
hey congrats on making the list bwana
- (jeff)isageek
I Love it! Bawana you get so many bonus points you are off the map - drinks and dinner on me if you are ever in Seattle. :-)
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
hahaha i LOVE the badge - you should distribute it to past nominees so they can add it to their sites
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
Not that you needed to since you're already "famous" here - look at all those subscribers! How about official versions of the "Official Louis Gray FriendFeed Recommendation" or "Louis Gray approved" or "LG certified" badge? I'd proudly display one of those and link it to Louis' blog. (But what about Mike? He deserves some credit too!)
- Internet Strategist