"Plymouth, England, police are searching for the bespectacled pervert, aged about 40, who smelled the co-op worker's bum at least 20 times on consecutive weekends. CCTV footage shows the 5-foot-9-inch oddball pretending to pick items off shelves before crouching behind the shelf stacker. With his face near his victim's derriere, he seems take a whiff -- and once gets so close his nose touches the man. Click through to watch the footage. Admit it, you're intrigued."
- Jason Huebel
from Bookmarklet
I think people like the spectacle (coz she's clearly bonkers) and goddamn her, her songs do tend to get stuck in the ol' head...and once she's in there, she's like a fungus.
- Amy
Haven't heard or seen anything by her (as far as I know) and I don't feel like missing anything :)
- Jemm
I avoid most modern music; especially the contrived crap that claims the lion's share of modern music.
- Mark H
A great majority of people would like to listen "nonsense music with voice" while driving,cooking etc. Keygen Muzaks could work like a charm but lack of voice might be question...
- Acharad Sami vanJoulee
no 1 likes her, she's simply a function of the major labels being dead. She's all they can produce since they are so ridiculous that no self respecting artist will deal with them.
- echostreamer
Echostreamer, you are wrong. I like her, my girlfriend likes her. Other friends of mine like her.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Kol, that one comment was actually directed towards Steven. Sorry. :\
- Mathew™ one of a kind
I think she's a throwback to NY performance art. If you pay attention to her acts they are pretty similar, while I totally didn't get her for a long time she starts to grow on you. <sigh>
- Justin Broderick
The creation of the so-called Independent Payment Advisory Board – the panel that decides who goes without coverage so costs can be cut – cannot be repealed, according to language Harry Reid has inserted into the bill, without a supermajority vote of two-thirds.
- Spencer
from Bookmarklet
That's nice...but nobody asked what you prefer and it's pretty rude to say something like that on a thread when someone is obviously on vacation in Jamaica.
- Alex Scoble
from IM
Glad you weren't on the plane crash in Jamaica. Looks fun!
- Robert Scoble
Hey, What do you know. I was in your neck of the woods last week. In the Domenican Republic. Always wanted to get to Jamaica. While you're there, check out the Olympic Bobsled team :)
- Roberto Bonini
Sorry for biting your head off, Jeunelle. Your comment rubbed me the wrong way and I went off. My apologies.
- Alex Scoble
Wow. I own property in Negril, believe it or not. My uncle used to live there and left it to my brother and me. I've been there many times. What hotel are you staying at?
- Dave Winer
Dave, he said the name of the hotel in the comment directly above yours. :)
- Rochelle
Rochelle, oops. I know that place. The locals make fun of the white people running around naked. They disapprove. :-)
- Dave Winer
"The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) has determined that either bill, if enacted and maintained as written, would slightly decrease the deficit in the 10-year window"
- MikeAmundsen
from Bookmarklet
Yeah right. Another huge entitlement that creates more bureaucracies will never save money.
- Spencer
Spencer, it's a giant loss for the US that they don't just have you coming up with stuff off the top of your head instead of having the CBO laboriously analyzing bills.
- Andrew C
Yes too bad, common sense would be a foreign thing in government today. Once again, who believes creating this huge entitlement will actually lower deficits. LOL.
- Spencer
@Spencer: Did you read how _much_ the 10-yr savings amount to? did you read the Concord Coalition's analysis of the CBO report?
- MikeAmundsen
I suspect Spencer has already found a story he finds truthy enough.
- Andrew C
from Android
@Andrew: the CC pretty much trashes the budgetary aspects of the House and Senate bills. i suspect Spencer would find a number of things he could like about the CC analysis if he'd check it out. of course, the CBO report is no walk in the park for HCR-lovers, either.
- MikeAmundsen
"the CC pretty much trashes the budgetary aspects of the House and Senate bills." Yeah, I've never been a huge fan of the CC, and not-very-useful stuff like "but they missed medical malpractice reform" is why.
- Andrew C
"The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows that 26% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty-four percent (44%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -18"
- Spencer
from Bookmarklet
While I'd prefer he'd stop the "torture is okay if they're not people" crap, better a torturing president who's nice to people and cool than the last guy :)
- Lo
Obama isn't perfect (far from it) but he's been loads better than the Dubya years on a number of fronts.
- Joe Silence
Considering the alternatives that were provided, we got the best person for the job.
- Uncle CW™
A fistbump does not a down-to-earth President make...
- Jenthemum
Wow, reading these comments, the US has some seriously jaded citizens.. and they are all online. :P
- Uncle CW™
I'm (independent) red, and I don't see Obama is being any more or less approachable than Bush was. But then again being from the latter's home state helps that ;). But there's no doubt he's done more to bring the government process closer to the people it affects than anyone else before him (I'm young, so I may be wrong). And that picture exemplifies that fact
- LANjackal
Cute pic, but his actions so far aren't very encouraging.
- Itachi
a year or so ago, we had something similar with our PM. he was out an about, meeting people who lost their homes, their loved ones lives when the terrible http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... black saturday bushfires. one guy was talking to the PM and just broke down in front of the cameras and kev gives the guy a hug. there's a lot i don't agree with that the gov. isn't doing at the moment but it was a nice moment..
- Terry O'Fee
"On the first issue, Sen. John Ensign, R-Nev., on Tuesday renewed the call to examine the constitutionality of whether the federal government can require Americans to purchase a product."
- Spencer
from Bookmarklet
"Norfolk resident Susan Lindsey was among roughly 75 demonstrators who gathered outside Norfolk Naval Base on Monday, Dec. 7, 2009 to protest the court martial of three local Navy SEALs. Two Navy SEALs accused in the mistreatment of an Iraqi suspect in the 2004 slayings of four U.S. contractors were arraigned in military court Monday, and one SEAL said he was gratified by support from the public and some members of Congress"
- chaz2b
from Bookmarklet
"Fences, a utility from Stardock, makers of fine Windows UI programs and 4X games, allows you to create boxes on your computer desktop. Why would you want boxes on your desktop? So that you can corral your seething masses of icons into orderly groups, of course! These boxes can be set to fade mostly out of view (along with the icons they contain) until you mouse-over them, letting you keep a tidy-looking, low-profile desktop without having to nuke all your icons."
- Spencer
from Bookmarklet
Fences Pro is a program that helps you organize your desktop and can hide your icons when they are not in use with the simple click of your mouse. Fences Pro is the follow-up to Stardock’s popular freeware program fences which has become the most popular desktop enhancement on CNET’s Download.com since its release earlier this Fall.
- Spencer
from Bookmarklet
as you can see I'm a PC gamer, unlike you peeps... my last console was a gamecube and after that was stolen I stuck to PCs (yup, they left the PCs and the NAS, stole the laptops console phones and mp3 player)
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
If I go by my wishlist I'll be playing on my PC a lot more than my Xbox in the future. Although I've not got a PS3 my PS3 games wish list is growing and growing. It's getting some decent games now, shame the prices is still a little too high. Hopefully they'll be some sales in the New Year.
- Kol Tregaskes
I have 6 boxes of PC games, and now so many in electronic only form. I cant really justify buying new ones until I replay some of the barely played ones... If I add consoles to the mix again it'll just reach incredibly wasteful proportions
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Hehe, I've not played anything besides SIms 3 on the PC for many years. I've got a load of demos to play: http://ff.im/9Y9Z3 and will definitely get back into it when I get a new gfx card (currently one is knackered :-().
- Kol Tregaskes
I used to really follow what was going on, in mainstream and indie, play loads of demos, keep a whole site of news which others followed to find the hidden gems etc. Then at some point it lost its magic. Partly I did several years in a startup with too much work and no time for play. Too many games promised lots and delivered shiny but unimaginative games - too much focus on super duper...
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- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
LOL, no worries, Joelle. :-) I have started following the likes of GameSpot UK, Edge and MCV/Develop (industry papers).
- Kol Tregaskes
Clark, it's one thing signing up, it's another continuing to use them. I try at most things to see what they are like, only about 5% are regularly used thereafter. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
What are you doing to help with climate change? What would you like to do and what's stopping you? And what would you like your community/government to do to help?
I'm being personally responsible with my part of the environment and not buying into alarmist nonsense from the likes of Al Gore. :)
- Spencer
Do you think hydrogen cars have a future? Do you think anything will come of the climate talks and will it be enough?
- Kol Tregaskes
How should countries act on climate change? Is there a generic solution or should each country or area act differently?
- Kol Tregaskes
I will continue to advocate for more urgent development of new technologies. If the world got together and spent some paltry (in a relative sense) amount like $100Billion/year on research, within 3 or 4 years we could create technologies to make fossil fuels obsolete. Every other approach to ending global warming is irresponsible, irrelevant hand wringing.
- Chrimmus Tad
from fftogo
And do we all need to turn vegetarian or do you think artificially made meat will work (and taste nice ;-))?
- Kol Tregaskes
I keep all of my electronics on full power 24/7. I figure that should help it along.
- Alex Scrivener
Iceland as a whole is nearly 100% powered by renewable resources. They have an advantage with their location but it's certainly something to look up to.
- Kol Tregaskes
Less government involvement the better. Government does not innovate nor help, they hinder most things.
- Spencer
That's probably true but who else could do what they *could* if they wanted to?
- Kol Tregaskes
Imagine if we could build are towns and cities from scratch. What would we do differently?
- Kol Tregaskes
Politicians will never be able to help, they're too busy getting re-elected. These summits like Copenhagen are a waste of time. My family and I are reducing, re-using, and recycling with an emphasis on reducing.
- Kenton
We the people can do it. One of the worst things about America, and really the world in general is the lack of willingness to do hard work. People are lazy, they want to the government to do everything.
- Spencer
And what should the people do? What are they now doing now? Would it be enough by itself?
- Kol Tregaskes
reduce, re-use, re-purpose, don't throw out, build a solar absorber to collect heat and electric power, use groundwater for summer cooling, track energy use with a TED powermeter, use groundsource heatpump for heating, as long as your electricity is not coal-fired, ok where i live. In alberta, where the tarsands are, they make more CO2 from coalfired electricity generation than the...
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- daviza
electric transportation is another obvious goal, as soon as better, cheaper batteries are on the market, i plan to convert my toyota to all electric drive!
- daviza
Electric is currently a no go as it takes too long to charge up. Then where is the power coming from to charge them? Hydrogen sounds a better solution but it's not perfect by a long way.
- Kol Tregaskes
Solar energy is pointless here but I heard the UK is building lots of wind farms. Can we get energy from rain? We get a lot of that too. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
My favourtie quote I heard the other day: 'We didn't finish the stone age because we ran out of rocks. Wouldn't it be great to finish the oil age because we found something better' (not verbatim)
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
Sounds like the climate talks are getting nowhere. :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
Sweatshirt, blankets, extra gloves, extra stocking cap, extra coat, extra socks... emergency candles, it gets COLD here in the winter!
- Mark "DerBingle" J
Oh, and deodorant. y'know... in case of emergency.
- Cyrus Lendvay
Diapers & Wipes. An unopened package of pacifiers. Hopefully only for the new ~2 years, though.
- Steve "Daddy do it!" Lacy
A big rubber band thing-a-majinger with the metal hooks on either end for when I load my trunk with big stuff from Home Depot and cannot close the trunk lid :->)
- L Stephen Cleary
Ham radio, cigarette lighter, rescue breather.
- Mistletoe Glen
I have the usual emergency kit but for as for unusual items, I have a bed sheet, a tatami mat, and an unopened package of window blinds. The bed sheet is to cover the windshield if it's going to freeze overnight and I need to drive early the next morning. The tatami mat is for the beach. The windows blinds I bought about 3 years ago, meant to return, and never did. They're still in the trunk.
- Rochelle
Shoes, 3pairs . Halloween costume , nailpolish , bleach, bags, sweaters, bathing suit . Towels , literature book , cross, picture of a the holy mary mother of god . Guadalupe. Paper sunglasses . Holy water . 2 corsets
- Caroline
from iPhone
Racquetball racquet, package of socks, several copies of Wired and Entertainment Weekly (usually way out of date).
- Rob Haas
A "bug-in" backpack with nitrile gloves, particle masks, emergency SPCA blankets, flashlights, batteries, emergency am/fm radio, glow sticks, mini first aid kit, emergency water packs... I also have a large first aid kit.
- Beau Liening
from iPhone
wow - nothing. I better go add some things! Wait, I have my softball stuff in the trunk for those just in case I have an emergency softball game to play. LOL
- Paulette Garcia Morris
"Taking an important step on the thorny path to closing the U.S. detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, the White House plans to announce Tuesday that the government will acquire an underutilized state prison in rural Illinois to be the new home for a limited number of terrorist suspects held at Guantanamo"
- chaz2b
from Bookmarklet
Heh, I wonder which Obama crony is going to benefit from this.
- Spencer
gamer and also a part of the games media with my show Vertical Slice http://www.verticalslice.tv. My GF is currently seeking work in the games industry and we're off to Edinburgh tomorrow so she can attend an interview for Rockstar North :)
- alphaxion
Enthusiastic middle-core gamer, nearly jumped in the industry several times (chickened out for easier jobs every time), no longer owns a console (got burglared and not replaced) so PC-only. Currently disappointed with A-list titles and spending her gaming cash buying promising indie titles (not always playing them, but that is another story)
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
I used to game alot with PC or PS2. Been working more, but still get a chance to play every now and then. When my nephew comes over, that is when I really get a chance.
- Dan Woods
All around gamer, and Tech Evangelist for Stardock. :)
- Spencer
Say hi to Brad for me Spencer! I spent five years or so on Qt3 and Brad was a valued community voice there.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
there's an interesting social media site for people in the gaming media and production industries over at www.gameleon.net
- alphaxion
@alphaxion Thanks for the link, will check it out.
- Spencer
self-diagnosed online game addict since the first BBS MUD, long time computer, console, pen & paper, and tabletop gamer -->
- Mike Chelen
i skipped a few generations...from an NES to a Wii (& subsequently an Xbox 360)...
- Trent Olson
I spend more time reading/talking about games and the industry than I do actually playing games. I am in the progress of evolving a Nintendo fan site into a FriendFeed clone for gamers.
- Daniel Sims
I used to be a pro-gamer, win COD tournaments(2nd place on 1v1 in Turkey). I also became Match Referee in CPL, WCG (2 times) and other many tournaments. Now, I am head admin and organising Professional PC Gaming Tournaments (COD) (our new portal: www.oyuncuyuz.com) and also I am a casual PC Gamer mostly like playing racing, RTS, FPS etc. Nowadays playing Team Fortress II - steamID: th3crasher
- Zafer Yılmaz
It is amazing how Mr. Frank can lie about his role in defeating the Republican effort to regulate Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae (which could have prevented the housing market crash) and in the same breath admit his agenda to expand the role of government.
- David C. Cooper
from Bookmarklet
Not amazing, that is what they do. Frank is one of the prime figures in the failure of the mortgage industry. Too bad we don't have a media to expose it.
- Spencer
Finish his quote: "...because we know the American people are too stupid to fend for themselves"
- Craig Eddy
Pooh Bear got his hand stuck in the Honey Pot
- Noah David Simon
This site has to be seen to be believed. This guy loves Jesus, hates Jews (especially Chabad-Lubavitch who apparently worship Satan and he calles 'Lovtobitch'), hates Israel (which he cleverly calls 'ITSREALLYHELL'), has a fascination with dragons, loves the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, calls Jews 'Yidiots'... and is apparently batshit insane.
- Akiva Moskovitz
from Bookmarklet
At least I *THINK* that's what's going on because I can't make heads or tails of it really. It just goes on and on for pages and pages. And why do nutbags like this always have this kind of website that has these endlessly long pages with no organization, a mess of needless font-changes, etc? Did TimeCube set the standard?
- Akiva Moskovitz
Spending some quality time surfing the Internet, Akiva?
- Cristo
Sometimes you just accidentally stumble across the craziest crap in this place.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I swear it's like someone combined Sean McBride and the psychopath from Se7en's journals and fed him a non-stop diet of gin, GHB, meth-amphetamines, pork rinds, and Communion wafers and turned him loose in Microsoft Frontpage. It's as awesome as it is terrifying as it is sad.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Based on the dates, I don't think this Noah Hides has updated in a while
- RAPatton
Considering how much work old boy has put into his masterpiece, I think he deserves an extended sabbatical (but not a Shabbatical because that would probably piss him off).
- Akiva Moskovitz
Hah! I mentioned Sean McBride only to see if he was still stalking my feed even though I have him blocked and, yep, he is. Amusement factor pegged at 100%. (Yeah, yeah, petty I know but, hey, sometimes you have to make sacrifices for comedy.)
- Akiva Moskovitz
I don't see Sean's comments. Did he delete them, or write somewhere else?
- Cristo
They're in his own feed which I won't link to. It's amusing how far he trips over himself to simply not get it. Marvel at not only what he reads into what I've written but how quickly he pulls the stuff out of his ass. It's actually kind of disconcerting really when I think about it.
- Akiva Moskovitz
As to why these opuses are always really long - perhaps the authors feel they have to expose the truth NOW, before the Satanic Trilateralist IRS Illuminati get them.
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
With all the turmoil and uncertainty, he is certainly consistent.
- Oldengrey (Jay)
Just read the Katrina entry. Wow...he makes the Louisiana politicians sound sane.
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
I don't think he was bright enough to be considered a nutbag. He's one of these 5th generation Skull and Bones types, and just stings of terrible inbreeding and absentee fatherism. Just no cleverness left after that many generations of a small gene pool. (oh, I was talking about Bush, not the link owner, he's insane)
- Matthew DeVries
I thought the P90 was a sub machine gun, for like indoor, and close cover fights.......I didn't realize it was a sniper rifle accurate to 27,000 feet
- Matthew DeVries
I wouldn't necessarily believe anything this guy says (and I mean Bush, too).
- Akiva Moskovitz
This thread is full of the laffs I needed. Whassup ya'll?
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Just reliving the glory days of FriendFeed! You know, back when I could throw a football a quarter of a mile.
- Akiva Moskovitz
There's a "regional pal" that gets that design for so many years, a friend read much of his texts, but look at that, glitters and stuff. http://conspiration.cc stars for you all (WARNING: HTML 3.01 compatible and in French.) Talk about long infinite pages Akiva, you got served.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
AHAHHHAHAA OMG AWESOME!! THIS THREAD IS PURE WIN!!!
- sofarsoShawn
AHHHHH! Zu 11:9 *blood sneakily going past the nostril, venting, searching for water, soda..* *THRR!* *heads snaps on desk, slumping on the floor* *mumbling the NEXT word at the end of said webpage* TimeCube had devised such a particular plan, its victims, unaware of such dementia, were helped in.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
On the same topic, does anyone remember that Timecube-like website with the lady who thought that the British government had infected her with mad cow disease and so that was why Bush was suing her and she lost her job at GNC?
- Rochelle
Cynical euphemisms for THEIR brainwashing * keyword RAIN * keyword WATER * keyword ALCOHOL * keyword DRUGS * keyword NEWS * keyword MEDICINE * keyword INTEREST RATE * keyword POETRY -- WTF!
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Conspiracy, in white and arial / Intense theory, to fight and prevail in the aerial / World of thoughts, schools of-for the fuck-nut, and full-time against the clock, be cool or not - Mad cow, bladow, Bad boi, bladow, Noahide those 1995 pages, kthxbai now \o,
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Another: http://www.thepeacock.com/ (This one has the best intro paragraph: "The World’s Premier Website for Intelligent Truth-seeking Honest People, who still have their Right Minds, which Naturally Excludes most Politicians, as well as the Federal Burden of Investigation, and the Central Unintelligent Agencies, which have yet to Discover the Real Criminals in the Big White Outhouse,...
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- Rochelle
I have secret access to the nutbag Google search. :)
- Rochelle
Best I had there was Tesla Coils playing Super Mario Bros. on SaggyNutBag ;p http://www.saggynutbag.com/main... look some way down. Damn.. themeasuringsystemofthegods... can't find anything HOTTER than that as domain name (EDIT: at least they got PDFs, ok..). howeverythingwasfinallyachieveinabsoluteunderstanding would promise.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
Oh, hey! I bet you guys were thinking to yourselves, 'Hey! I'd like to have this kind of nutbaggery in the form of a role playing game!' Well, here you go! http://hybrid-rpg.blogspot.com/
- Akiva Moskovitz
LOL RULE # 151: LINKS ON: UNFAIR [ALMOST ILLEGAL] LABOR PRACTICES BY THE/YOUR MANAGEMENT: I'll keep that in mind, thanks Akiva and especially Rochelle for the exquisite solution presented here. Work of finesse, as proposed.
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
'RULE # 19: THE FICTIONAL CHARACTER BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER, HER POWERS @ 25 C2 DP, SAME LEVEL THAT OF A JEDI: THE COST OF HER COM # WOULD PUT HER C# @ 36 C2 DP @ 7 COM, BY [35/5] = 7 COM, FOR TV CHARACTER IN THE TV SERIES. &, THE C# OF JEDI, REDUCED FROM 36 C2 DP TO 25 C2 DP, TO REDUCE INEFFICIENCY, IN EARLIER ESTIMATE OF C# OF A JEDI @ C#, BE GIVEN A [-1] MODIFIER 4CORRECTION, FOR HIS POWERS, IF THE JEDI WERE A MALE HUMANOID: [0] MODIFIER 4FEMALE.'
- Akiva Moskovitz
"E-mails stolen from climate scientists show they stonewalled skeptics and discussed hiding data — but the messages don't support claims that the science of global warming was faked, according to an exhaustive review by The Associated Press. The 1,073 e-mails examined by the AP show that scientists harbored private doubts, however slight and fleeting, even as they told the world they were certain about climate change. However, the exchanges don't undercut the vast body of evidence showing the world is warming because of man-made greenhouse gas emissions."
- Sean McBride
from Bookmarklet
In order to reach a fair and impartial investigatory judgement. Researchers that examine the evidence should recuse themselves when they have an attachment to the suspects or the evidence. Yet that does not seem to be happening here and it is not just this one instance. AP’s Seth Borenstein is just too damn cozy with the people he covers / Investigates http://bit.ly/8jdpqA
- Eric Logan
LOL, yeah, I would bet the "AP" put the same amount effort into this as they did into Sarah Palins book. There is no "vast" body of evidence to support man-made GW.
- Spencer
Examining the computer code that adds fudge factor to create a warming trend is more damaging than the emails.
- Robert Hafer
from iPhone
The fudge factor that was never actually even plotted? (the adjusted data was not actually used in subsequent lines, though many of the "skeptics" sites that posted the code conveniently forgot to leave in those next few lines that would have showed it.)
- Andrew C
Blatant disinformation and lies casual observers all over will repeat this lie as if it is the gospel. Small wonder the polarization continues unabated. The process is presently designed to marginalize dissent.
- Eric Logan
All of this misses the point: a substantial majority of the world's leading climate scientists are still convinced, on the basis of the empirical data, that anthropogenic global warming is a serious problem facing the human race, and possibly a catastrophic problem. Global warming deniers are being crushed by the weight of the best science -- this is why they tend to flail around verbally and hurl a great deal of verbal abuse. They can't debate the science.
- Sean McBride
Did you even read this post Sean ? Can you point to anything factual Al Gore has said here in reference to this topic ?
- Eric Logan
The climate change alarmists are not willing to have their data studied or questioned. They are not willing to allow any debate and their only response to questions or challenges is to cast aspersions on the questioner and stifle debate. If anthropogenic climate change actually is a reality then their should be no resistance to testing the science that lead to that conclusion. This article is a prime example of this, via the head climate alarmist, Al Gore.
- pitlord
Pitlord -- you are making hysterical charges that are out of touch with reality. Discussion and debate about climate change are for the most part conducted openly in peer-reviewed scientific journals. The process is transparent and democratic, but meritocratic -- your science needs to be first-rate to acquire traction and impact. In an earlier exchange you were unable to mention even a...
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- Sean McBride
Sean, again you choose to try and turn the discussion away from the topic at hand (i.e. Al Gore's lies and evasions) and toward a character assassination of the O.P. I'm sorry to see that you are unable to debate the topic based on the facts. Better luck next time.
- pitlord
Pitlord -- you are a religious fundamentalist, and all religious fundamentalists strike me as irrational children who are allergic to and irritated by science (that is why so many of them are creationists). You can't debate the science of AGW, and people like you decisively lost this debate years ago. That is why you are also going to lose the policy debate on AGW -- the best science is not on your side.
- Sean McBride
Eric -- Gore got it wrong about the dates of the emails, and that issue is entirely irrelevant to the consensus view among climate change experts on AGW. Major grasping at straws in this line of argument.
- Sean McBride
Sean - the e-mail assuredly do not fit the characterization of the most recent being ten years old. The ones I have examined from Phil Jones in reference to there being a cooling trend that may continue until 2020 where he expresses the hope that his colleague is wrong so he can wipe the smug grins of his detractors faces are from Jan 2009.
- Eric Logan
It gives the impression to those that are uniformed that these are very old e-mails when nothing could be further from the truth. I also do not believe it to be an innocuous oversight. The most damning e-mails that have been highlighted are all recent.
- Eric Logan
You've got to look at the big picture, not just these emails; the overall scientific consensus. The AGW model is still dominant by far in the climate science community. If magazines like Nature, Science, Scientific American and New Scientist begin to report a substantive shift in that consensus, then maybe you will gain some traction. But not until then.
- Sean McBride
scariest thing is that there are people foolish enough to believe that accusations of falsified records on climate change actually means that climate change is not real. the willingness to engage in wishful thinking is killing economies and people. history shows this has happened before and those who call themselves "climate skeptics" are contributing to the problem.
- MikeAmundsen
Science isn't ruled by the "consensus", especially when it has been proven "science" has been politicized. If you actually look you will find enough so-called "scientists" that disagree with the Global Warming theory. The problem is, it has turned into a cult-like following where nobody can dare challenge their theories.
- Spencer
Sean, thankfully my religion does not preclude the theory of evolution because evolution and creation are not mutually exclusive. Your assertion that the climate debate ended indicates either ignorance or duplicity on your part. Objective scientists are, in fact, appalled at the liberal attempts to side-step the scientific method for political and economic gain. They have, in fact,...
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- pitlord
But the real issue is, in light of the East Anglia CRU emails, how can you even uphold the integrity of peer-reviewed journals? See: http://ncwatch.typepad.com/media... Especially as they relate to climate change
- pitlord
@p: we've been here before. you know that the actions of these scientists, while a key focus in the _politics_ of climate change, are a sideshow in the _science_ of it. any attempts to hold these idiots and their transgressions up in support of climate skepticism is either disingenuous, manipulative or both.
- MikeAmundsen
Mike, are you saying that the admission that the climate science research was manipulated to support a preferred conclusion has no bearing on the science itself?
- pitlord
p: sure am. the facts are the facts. cherry-picking them to fit a preferred outcome is a waste of time. scientists who "shade the truth" for some political end are a waste of space. the planet will continue to heat up, continue to run out of fossil fuels, continue to run out of fresh water no matter what lies scientists use to bolster their own argument. that some scientists are...
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- MikeAmundsen
That's the smartest argument I have heard. Now if you can just get the IPCC to agree to stop funding and covering up for scientists involved in this type of unscientific chicanery. We may have a chance for a functioning actual scientific peer review process.
- Eric Logan
@Eric: yeah, scientific peer-review has been screwed up for decades - i suspect it's been even longer. history is littered w/ self-serving interests quashing contrary scientific work. i suspect IPCC is just as much a victim as the black-balled scientists who can't get funding for their work when it goes against the thinking of the committees responsible for review. like so many other...
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- MikeAmundsen
Mike++ :) Made several points I intended to make for me.
- Sean McBride
<threadjack> If you are unfamiliar, Mike is astute, eloquent and quick-witted in a good discussion. If you are not subscribed to him, you should be</threadjack>
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
Mike and Mark -- two of my Friendfeed favorites. And Anthony Citrano (and quite a few others). Generally in the progressive libertarian or libertarian progressive camp, as I read them -- difficult to pigeonhole by conventional political categories because they are actually trying to think critically and creatively about the big issues.
- Sean McBride
<love-fest>SB: how about pragmati-gressive-tarian? another handle i've been given is opinionated bastard. MVB has his handle setting properly, too[g]</love-fest>
- MikeAmundsen
It's easy. You start by not believing anything anyone says and work from there.
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
Add Johnny to "The List" Sean, although he doesn't engage often enough in a rousing political discussion.
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
Mark -- I visited Johnny's link above and was impressed by his commonsense summary of CO2 issues. I am going to bump him higher up on my list of Friendfeeders to pay attention to. Compared to Sarah Palin's understanding of science issues, he's an Einstein. :)
- Sean McBride
Is the ego-centric circle jerk over yet? Please use the provided tissue to clean up your mess. >.>
- pitlord
Hmm. I dunno, it felt like the last round of attempted scalpings all came from incidents 2000 and later.
- Andrew C
What does it matter when? Are you OK with this then?
- Spencer
Considering how _every other right-wing freakout about any Obama appointee was insanely overblown_, I think I'm going to bet the odds here.
- Andrew C
No matter how liberal you are, I just don't see how you can defend giving "fisting kits" to 14-year old school kids. Have you listened to the audio from the workshops? They also got to learn the finer points of watersports. Personally, I could give a damn who you piss on or where you stick your fist, but 14-year olds? Come on, take off your partisan hat for a second a think about this. It's totally insane.
- Chris Jones
Well considering how many left-wing moonbats are in this administration like this, I'm glad for the "freakouts".
- Spencer
It really is amazing. The number of truly radical people in this administration is breathtaking. This fisting story is so extreme I didn't believe it at first. I thought someone somewhere was taking something out of context. It couldn't be true, but sadly it is.
- Chris Jones
"But things are not so clear. It is not just the University of East Anglia data that is at question. There are about 450 academic peer-reviewed journal articles questioning the importance of man-made global warming. The sheer number of scientists rallying against a major intervention to stop carbon dioxide is remarkable. In a petition, more than 30,000 American scientists are urging the U.S. government to reject the Kyoto treaty. Thus, there is hardly the unanimity among scientists about global warming or mankind's role in producing it"
- Spencer
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