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Bret Taylor
FriendFeed API v2: Real-time, OAuth, file attachments, and more -
FriendFeed API v2: Real-time, OAuth, file attachments, and more
"Today we are launching version 2 of the FriendFeed API for beta testing. We focused on making the API simpler to use, and we added number of compelling new features." Documentation: - Bret Taylor from Bookmarklet
OAuth? Sweet. Thanks a lot for all the new good stuff in the API: can't wait to use it. - Mark Trapp
very nice. great work! - Alfredo 亜瑠布れっど
Yet another reason to like Bret. :-) - Jesse Stay
Great!!! - YungSang from FriendFoo
nice! - Daniel Rust
good job guys, I bet devs are jumping high right now - Dobromir Hadzhiev
Sweet, congrats! - Ivan Zuzak
nice, good to see OAuth support, this will enable a larger 3rd party ecosphere around FriendFeed, I hope - Jeroen De Miranda
After going through the documentation and playing around with some feeds, I love the fact that you can now see the subscriber lists of people who have their feeds set to private as long as you are subscribed to them and authenticate (mimicking the main site functionality). One thing that's absent is a discussion of Direct Messages. Do they show up in feeds if you authenticate? How do we find just direct messages? - Mark Trapp
Mark: direct messages are accessed using the feed ID "filter/direct". Read more about feed IDs at Also direct messages appear in the "home" feed. - Benjamin Golub
Benjamin: ahhh, I see it now. I missed it when skimming that list over. Thanks! - Mark Trapp
Can you post the wget version of the command line? - Gabe
Gabe: wget --user=bgolub --password=passwd --post-file=MyPhoto.jpg should work. In theory. Edit: nope. I'm not sure it's possible to do with wget. - Mark Trapp
Thanks God it is New API. - AlpB. from iPod
Nice progress here with this release! - Micah
I love it! - friday night
Why is wget questionable? - Gabe
Gabe: wget doesn't support multipart forms as a design decision. If you post a file, FriendFeed returns a 404, and if you post data, the query is too long for wget to handle. - Mark Trapp
Good work, look forward to seeing what developers can create - Joe Dawson
doublepluslike - Vezquex
curl FTW. - Jeremy Kunz
This is great, FriendFeed team. Good job. - Thierry R. Andriamirado
Woowoo, bgolub's password is “passwd” ;-) - Amit Patel
Amit: I wonder how many people tested that :) - Benjamin Golub
Thanks to bgolub posting his password, I now have all of FriendFeed's secret documents about notorious users, useless metrics, Justin Timberlake's promoting FF on Oprah's show, hiring Colbert as a spokesperson, Ev Williams being just a “distraction”. TechCrunch is going to love this! ;) - Amit Patel
Yes big big thanks to the whole team for all their hard work!! - ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ from iPhone
thank you;) waiting for the release :) loving clone - abdellah from FriendFeed API Example
Yay subscribers exposed! - EricaJoy
Finally OAuth, I had a hard time memorizing my remote key. - Hugh Isaacs II
This is indeed very cool, anybody started on a c# version? - Jesper Lind
Hacker News
Startup Update: Notifo iPhone App v2, More -
Doug Belshaw
Chrome to Notifo Extension - Google Chrome extension gallery -
Chrome Stable updates to 6.0+ today! Which means it supports my new-fangled @Notifo extension: – Paul Stamatiou (Stammy) - Doug Belshaw
Andy Baio
Eliot just beat the first Zelda, entirely by himself. I only helped by showing him a map of Dungeon 9. That's my boy!
Gabe Rivera
RT @Techmeme: Google and Arcade Fire Team for HTML5 'Experience' (@listeningpost / Wired News)
Tessa Horehled
Louis Gray
My newest guest blogger takes her work extremely seriously. Right now, she is proofreading.
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Her hair is really coming along. :) What a sweetie. - Josh Haley
Maşallah aynı babası:)) it means: little Louis - core
<offtopic> Keyboard dock is looks really good! its too bad its about 150$ in Turkey.... </offtopic> - batuhan icoz
Batuhan, that is on topic, absolutely. :) It is a nice device, I just keep reaching for the mouse when I use it. - Louis Gray
i tried to use my ipad with my apple wireless keyboard, its PERFECT! - batuhan icoz
"Onkyo's new HT-RC270 is betting on networkablility. If you are a fan of streaming from the Internet or from a networked computer, you're going to find the HT-RC270 very attractive. With the DLNA 1.5, the RC270 is out-of-the-box ready to connect to your Windows 7 PC for content streaming. Our experiences with DLNA have been very positive. Once the device is plugged into the network and turned on, it shows up on the PC quickly and without a hassle." - LANjackal from Bookmarklet
Bluesun 2600
Paul Buchheit
OMG. Too bad prayer wasn't her solution to high gas prices, instead we got "Drill, baby, drill!"
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I wonder if that was also BP's disaster plan? - Paul Buchheit
Prayer doesn't work. I know because Sarah's still able to speak. - Jack&Cleo
This is not The Onion. CNN: Actual text of the resolution: - Tudor Bosman
Please make her go away. - AJ Kohn
I've been praying for divine intervention to make her shut up and disappear. - Jason Wehmhoener
prayer works for me - Josh Haley from iPhone
My fav was this one: "Extreme Greenies:see now why we push"drill,baby,drill"of known reserves&promising finds in safe onshore places like ANWR? Now do you get it?" - Nick Lothian
Somehow I'm not surprised she hasn't heard of the Sidoarjo mud volcano. - Nick Lothian
She is truly bereft of reality. - Natalie
The dimmest bulb in US politics: give up and despair. - Björn Brembs
I *wish* she was the dimmest bulb. - Michael R. Bernstein
i thought of mashing up a video with her and brittany "drill me baby one more time" but i thought why disparage Brittany she already has enough troubles. - Robert Higgins
Paul Buchheit
The Spill, The Scandal and the President -
The Spill, The Scandal and the President
"Minerals Management Service, the agency in the Interior Department charged with safeguarding the environment from the ravages of drilling, descended into rank criminality. According to reports by Interior's inspector general, MMS staffers were both literally and figuratively in bed with the oil industry. When agency staffers weren't joining industry employees for coke parties or trips to corporate ski chalets, they were having sex with oil-company officials. But it was American taxpayers and the environment that were getting screwed. MMS managers were awarded cash bonuses for pushing through risky offshore leases, auditors were ordered not to investigate shady deals, and safety staffers routinely accepted gifts from the industry, allegedly even allowing oil companies to fill in their own inspection reports in pencil before tracing over them in pen. "The oil companies were running MMS during those years," Bobby Maxwell, a former top auditor with the agency, told Rolling Stone last year. "Whatever they wanted, they got. Nothing was being enforced across the board at MMS."" - Paul Buchheit from Bookmarklet
Just for the record, I would like a job where I at least had the moral dilemma to decide whether to engage in coke parties or trips to corporate ski chalets. What degree is required for that? - Eric - Final Countdown
Eric: I don't think they had to choose between coke parties and ski trips; I'm pretty sure they got to do both, just not always at the same time. - Gabe
+++ Gabe - Fossil Huntress
TBH I don't think this has anything to do with Obama. I daresay no one knew MMS even existed before this disaster - LANjackal
I have a hard time blaming this on Obama either. Sounds like BP had a truly spectacular well with 100-120K barrel flow, they were cutting every corner the could to cut costs, for no obvious reason, they simply had no safety margin and badly managed a very difficult to manage well. I think MMS is mostly a product of Bush era gutting of nearly every regulatory agency, with special emphasis on gutting regulation of their friends in oil and coal. - Ed Millard
NY Times recently had an article on Nigeria. They've averaged an Exxon-Valdez class spill every year for the last 50 years(with the help of sabotage and thieves). Exxon and Shell have completely corrupted the government and there is almost no regulation. They let pipes rust until they burst and then fix them after they've devastated the local community. Oil is just a very powerful, very corrupting industry, has been for a century. - Ed Millard
I heard about MMS during the 2008 election and had fun saying they were "literally" in bed with the oil companies (everyone was making fun of Biden for how often he says literally). Was I the only one paying attention? - Ruchira S. Datta
it's not if you're paying attention or not (well it is, but..) what you're paying attention to is most important - Chris Heath
Is this really a surprise? Everyone knew that the Bush administration was in bed with big oil... just not also this literally. - Björn Brembs
The oil industry details - not just, but especially the scandals - that the gulf spill brings to the surface are very interesting. It's impressive how the day-to-day practices of this industry that affects the very core of our industrialized existence have been kept out of the limelight for so long. Btw, I don't think anything about that is going to change fundamentally in the... more... - Mustafa K. Isik
People seem to omit that Obama was the biggest recipient of BP cash. - Spencer
Benjamin Golub
Nice one Google
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Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiin! - Adrian
Sometimes I love Google. - COMPLICATED MR. NOODLE
Awesome! - Lo
AWESOME! - Andrew David
Glen, go do a Google search for World Cup and scroll to the bottom - Joe "The Anvil" Pierce
lol - shin1ogawa
True - here's the link: - Tim Tyler
cool - Ralf Dooley
Louis Gray
Why the Apple iPhone 4 Isn’t for Me -
Quote: "Do I think the iPhone 4 is sexy? Absolutely yes. It has so many things going for it but AT&T’s shoddy network is holding it back." YUP. - Louis Gray
If the iPhone 4 were not limited to AT&T, would you be giving up your EVO to return to the iPhone? - Jandy
Jandy, options beyond AT&T are good, but no, it's more than that at this point. I feel the iPhone 4 practically caught up to the EVO, but Android is being improved at a much faster rate, has a wider range of handsets and is on more carriers. - Louis Gray
Louis, thanks. Most of what I hear against the iPhone is bitching about AT&T; I've been wanting to hear some purely software/hardware comparisons without reference to the network, but those are hard to find. :) - Jandy
the FF android group has some good links and discussions. I am an HTC Incredible user (Verizon). The phone rocks. I could care less how good the A4 is. No need for it. - Mike Nencetti
"but Android is being improved at a much faster rate, has a wider range of handsets and is on more carriers" my thoughts exactly. iPhone 4 might have just caught up with EVO 4G but there will be 3 just as awesome Android phones out this summer.. etc :) - Paul Stamatiou
Bret Taylor
"But on the five-person board, only two of us -- Alfred Lin, our CFO and COO, and myself -- were completely committed to Zappos's culture. This made it likely that if the economy didn't improve, the board would fire me and hire a new CEO who was concerned only with maximizing profits. The threat was never made overtly, but I could tell that was the direction things were going." - Bret Taylor from Bookmarklet
Talk about clueless: "Some board members had always viewed our company culture as a pet project -- "Tony's social experiments," they called it." - Todd Hoff
Robert Scoble
Video: A new challenge for location-based services: @scvngr
Video: A new challenge for location-based services: @scvngr
Not displeased with Captain America, as I expected to be. - Derrick
Annnnnnd, won't be seeing this with Chris. - Derrick
1UP Amber - Derrick
WOW! - Oguz Serdar
Don't care if it sucks. I'll be seeing it. If it sucks I'll just be seeing it with more beer in me. - Jason P
Preparing for the worst and hoping for the best? - Damien Franco from BuddyFeed
It can be done, word is they follow the Ultimates storyline so it will be Captain America's movie. Cap will just be thawed out, a Buck Rogers type figure, a man lost in the world around him. That gives a great opportunity for exposition. The trouble is finding the right villain, and if the follow Ultimates then at first it will by Hank Pym because he beats and tries to murder his wife.... more... - RAPatton
But isn't the "man out of his time" idea the story of the Cap movie? - Jason P
I loved The Ultimates. That was my first foray back into comics after many years away. I should re-read it. - Derrick
there have been MANY Caps, IIRC. - Big Joe Silenced
Jason, the cap movie happens in the 1940s and at the end his sacrifice leads to the man out of time (he's frozen in the arctic, the Avengers should start with finding his body in the ice as I understand it) - RAPatton
Even the movie is titled of "Captain America the First Avenger" - Utku Vardar
From what I've heard Howard Stark was a founder of SHIELD and worked on the Super Soldier project. The Super Soldier project is used in the Ultimate timeline to explain Hulk and almost everything else. I would guess, Chris that Howard collected the SHIELD after they thought Cap was dead (in Iron Man 2, Cap's body hasn't been found yet). Traditionally, Cap ends up riding a super V-2 to disable it and it crashes in the arctic, everyone assumes he's dead. - RAPatton
So no one is mentioning that Captain America is...err, was...The Human Torch? I'm interested to see how Chris Evans changes up since I thought he did a pretty good Johnny Storm. - That's So CAJ!
Good point, CAJ. I imagine if the Fantastic Four ever teamed up with The Avengers, they'd re-cast Johnny Storm. Actually, maybe they'd re-cast the entire Fantastic Four team. Those movies were a hot mess. - Derrick
The Film rights for the Fantastic Four and X-Men are owned by Fox, so no crossover,BUT there is a WWII era human torch that I'm certain they'll use to make a inside joke about Evans having been the torch - RAPatton
I like Chris Evans as Cap. His part in SUNSHINE solidified him as a leader of men. - Steven Perez
Oh, and just wait if they get Nathan Fillion as Hank Pym. - Steven Perez
Ooh, I can totally see Nathan Fillion as Dr. Pym. What I hope is that they don't start throwing a grab back of characters against the movie wall to see which sticks enough to make money. - That's So CAJ!
Oy. Cap costume looks really bad. - David Rothman (☤)
such an odd looking team - Vezquex
That is one hell of a thin arm on Black Widow. I could break her over my knee, even all gimpy like I am. - Spidra Webster
I'll buy the popcorn, Derrick - Johnny from iPhone
++Spidra - MiniMage
Johnny: One soda, two straws. :) - Derrick
Can't. Wait. - Harold Cabezas
Robert Scoble
RT @frankangelone: Interviewing @Scobleizer live about the future of FriendFeed. Come join us and contribute your thoughts
oh boy... - WoH: Professor MOTHRA
It's a discussion about how inferior Buzz is to FF so far - WoH: Professor MOTHRA
Sarah Lane
Who's excited for Betty White on SNL? Me! Me!!!
Paul Buchheit
I miss my brother.
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:(. He would be proud of you, Paul. - Roberto Bonini
It's hard to believe that was 6 years ago. How old is that picture? - Gabe
Paul I really sorry for your loss, - Hamza Şamlıoğlu @TEAkolik
I'm really sorry for your loss, Paul. - Micah
That must have been quite a loss for you and your family, Paul. - Anne Bouey
I didn't know. I'm very sorry to hear. I imagine he is very proud of your accomplishments, especially your beautiful family. - Josh Haley
I was sad to read this; you must miss him terribly. As others have said, he'd be very proud of you. - Andrew Terry
:( - Lo
Five years ago today. :( Here's to your brother's memory. - Stephen Mack from iPhone
Yes did not know... Really sad to read this... I think of the end of the Karamazov Brothers « - Karamazov, nous vous aimons ! reprirent-ils en chœur. Beaucoup avaient les larmes aux yeux. - Hourra pour Karamazov ! proclama Kolia. - Et éternel souvenir au pauvre garçon ! ajouta de nouveau Aliocha. - Eternel souvenir ! - Karamazov, s’écria Kolia, est-ce vrai ce que dit la religion, que... more... - Harscoat
Eternel Souvenir - Harscoat
:( - Matt M
:-( I'm sorry. - Nathan Snyder
My condolences, Paul. - Ayşe E.
:( - AJ Batac
I'm sorry. :-( - vicster.
;( :( :( :( ;( Condolences to you and your family. - rowlikeagirl
Wow, he was so young, how tragic - looks so happy with you and your Mom too... how very sad. My heart goes out to you and your family {{{ HUG }}} - Susan Beebe
Sorry man. :-/ - Comics Forge
I can't imagine what it would be like to lose my brother. I'm sorry that this happened, Paul, and I am taken aback, in retrospect, at the time in your life this happened. Amazed you appeared to do well with all the tumult. - O.Shane
He's still around, Paul. - Private Sanjeev
Here "like" flag stands for "a great hug from all of us". - Federico Bolsoman
I had a dream not too long ago: Steve came to visit. I gave him the biggest hug. I didn't want to let go. I told him, "You should meet the kids. They're so cute." I still cry everytime I think about what Steve went through and knowing that my children will never get to know their Uncle Steve. - April Buchheit from iPhone
I'm sorry, Paul and April. I pray that your good memories give you some peace today. - Jim #teamFFrank
:( - Ashish
Anniversaries are hard, I hope you and your family have a good day of remembering. - WoH: Professor MOTHRA
My mother's first yahrzeit is in a few weeks. I can commiserate completely, Mr. Buchheit. - Akiva
My thoughts are with sincerely you. Followed a little girl's passing from cancer on Twitter yesterday that I wouldn't have otherwise known about. - Rick Bucich
April: Every so often I have dreams that my brother is still alive. He's the only person I have such dreams about. - Gabe
(((((((((Paul)))))))))) - VALZONE#SCREWED
Paul, I'm very sorry about your brother :(. - Scott. Cat Herder.
My condolences, Paul. - David Cook
condolences to you and your family, Paul. - liladreams
Sorry for you and your family's loss. - MiniMage from FreshFeed
Louis Gray
Review: 23andMe DNA Testing for Health, Disease & Ancestry -
Paul Buchheit
Originally, Avatar ended with the humans nuking Pandora from orbit and strip mining the lifeless planet. It didn't test well though.
Just kidding ;). Something similar happened with Brazil though: "Universal executives thought the ending tested poorly, and Universal chairman Sid Sheinberg insisted on dramatically re-editing the film to give it a happy ending, a decision that Gilliam resisted vigorously." - - Paul Buchheit
Suicidal thoughts x 1000! :P - AJ Batac
Brazil happy ending was US-only. - Tim Tyler
Huh, didn't know that it had a happy ending. The tape I saw didn't. - Daniel Dulitz
Is that a happy or "happy" ending? I saw an ambiguous ending. - ⓞnor from Android
Might have made the story more interesting. :) - mikepk
wouldn't have taken much to make the story more interesting. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
For what it's worth, Cameron's scriptment covered that plot hole. Corporations in space are banned from using weapons of mass destruction. Also, Pandora threatened humans with a civilization ending virus if they ever returned to Pandora. - Kevin Fischer
Another explanation could be simple logistics. It takes 5 years to get there, they obviously didn't bring a whole lot of orbital weaponry because they didn't expect the natives to put up such a fight. They had to use the shuttle to even deliver conventional bombs. Perhaps they could have come back in a later iteration with orbital weapons, but on such a long expensive journey, you... more... - Ray Cromwell
AJ Batac
"A client just submitted his logo to me by sending a link to his store’s address on Google Maps… “Click on the thumbtack and it will take you to a picture of the front of my store. The logo is on the sign.”"
ROFL - Shey
Holy guacamole, you've got a real winner right now! - Spidra Webster
You are submitting mockups to said client as a Windows Metafile file inside of an Excel spreadsheet embedded in Word printed to PDF, right? - Micah
Sometimes our clients need closer views of a site, but we may not have the time to drive out to the site or can't access from where they want views. They'll send us screen caps of Google Street View, or ask us to use it. Damn, the legality and the fact that it'll look like crap. - Anika
AJ, I think I've actually had this happen. roflol Micah That one wins. - Melanie Reed
Yes Micah, you got that one right! - AJ Batac
do they not have camera phones? can't they just take a snap themselves? - alphaxion
oh. my. goodness. - Josh Haley
Haggis, roflol Yes, I have had similar. And I did try very hard not to explain why that doesn't work. - Melanie Reed
Bwahahahahahahahah - Mark Krynsky
oh man. - Chris Greene
charge them hourly to recreate the logo. that's my vote. (work was out of scope of course) - Chris Greene
Matt Cutts
Looking back ten years -
commented there but in moderation, so congrats here! - sean percival
Thank goodness you added that last sentence. I wasn't sure whether you meant take a day off from work or from the wife! ;-) Congratulations on both achievements! - Tony Ruscoe from fftogo
Daniel Sims
RT @Stammy: this guy should *not* own a corvette..
RT @Stammy: this guy should *not* own a corvette..
hmm, it appears that FriendFeed is now importing the new retweets - Daniel Sims
Rachel Lea Fox
YouTube - Steve Wozniak Stevens Creek Toyota & Car West Auto Body -
YouTube - Steve Wozniak Stevens Creek Toyota & Car West Auto Body
conversation after I saw this on tv: - Rachel Lea Fox
Still, all I can say is OMG! And maybe It's a 10!! - Rachel Lea Fox
HAHAHA. - Zu from AOD
He sure likes his Segway, doesn't he? - Gabe
We've seen this (as I assume we are on similar ad routes for Sunnyvale) and yes, it's bad. - Louis Gray
Paul Buchheit
Books and stuff: three years of Amazon addiction -
Do you know French? (Le Chat Chapeute) - Robert Felty
No, but Camilla likes the Cat in The Hat so I figured she would learn or something. - Paul Buchheit
Laurel LaFlamme
Wayne Sutton
*Reluctantly* ...Every room in my house has IKEA in it. - Run
Paul Buchheit
Chrome OS will help kill Silverlight and other non-open tech, preventing msft and others from recapturing the web. (though I expect that it will support Flash by necessity)
Good point. - Robert Scoble
I hope it doesn't. After all we need good media delivery platforms. - Swaroop
yeah, nobody really needs flash. kill it. - zio bodhisattva
Chrome OS might be a compelling case for SVG/<canvas> + <audio> tag replacements for flash. Dunno what SVG's perf is like on WebKit tho. - Matt M (inactive)
Microsoft will port it. It's all about codecs & DRM. Ogg Theora isn't all that great. - Rodfather
Is that Steve Jobs disguised as Zio ? - Swaroop
@Swaroop Yes, we do. Like HTML5. - Benjamin Dobson
@Swaroop eh eh, I've got flash disabled on all my systems :) - zio bodhisattva
@Benjamin I'd prefer HTML web apps over native apps anyday. But it'll take time for it to mature - Swaroop
Rodfather, I don't think that will be an option for msft :). If Chrome is built the way I would do it, there is no installation per-se -- everything runs in the browser and the config in stored in the cloud (and cached locally). The computer is a pure appliance. - Paul Buchheit
@Zio You're the real Steve Jobs - Swaroop
Microsoft moves much too slow to force new standards these days. - Louis Gray
@Louis: IE8 flunking ACID test :) - Swaroop
What about more standard codecs like h.264? That isn't open and is in hardware already. - Rodfather
h.264 is established and must be in there, but it's not a platform like Silverlight is. - Paul Buchheit
I know some of the guys behind silverlight. It is some great technology. Too bad it's from Microsoft and is closed. - Joe Beda from iPhone
A world with no Flash and Silverlight. I can't wait. - Paul Grav
Yeah, it's too bad they didn't open-source it. This stuff with Mono is silly -- if you want to make a real standard you need to make the real implementation be open. - Paul Buchheit
MS are about 10 years too late with Silverlight. And they'll most likely be dragged kicking and screaming into supporting HTML5. - Paul Grav
Zio sez (hopefully humorously): "yeah, nobody really needs flash. kill it" -- have you ever watched a single YouTube video in your life? Like seventeen gazillion other people across the wired world. yeah, you're right, nobody needs Flash. ha! - .LAG liked that
Remember Dave Clark in 1992, "We reject kings, presidents and voting. We believe in rough consensus and running code." - Guy Vander Heyden
.LAG: most YouTube videos are playable without Flash now. My iPhone plays most of them and it doesn't have Flash. Certainly by the time the Google OS came out YouTube would be converted completely to non-Flash capability. - Robert Scoble
Robert: The youtube flash application helps read the flv files on Youtube's servers and provides a UI (decoder too). - Swaroop
Even Google admits they're not sure I'd bit for bit html5 video is less bandwitj consuming than flash. And flash isn't just media delivery, also interesting games and apps like tonepad,'s online sequencer, etc (I'm musically inclined, so most of my examples will be along that line) and please don't suggest we redo it all in java - Ed F from Nambu
Maybe we'll see commercials encoded in movies if everything is open. - Rodfather
Flash is too established to kill off right now, so I'd be surprised if Chrome didn't include flash support. It will take many years to get rid of that thing. First they need to fix the standard browser to not be so broken (lack of video, multi-file upload, etc), then they need everyone to switch to the new html5 solutions. - Paul Buchheit
Scoble ...that may be true, and YouTube plays on my Pre without Flash (yet)...but that doesn't mean that "nobody needs Flash." really? what would replace it? - .LAG liked that
Use HTML 5 instead! - Minh Bui
Is it just me or does Native Client (NaCl) remind you of the Microsoft Active X approach? - Daniel Chow
But who prevents Google from taking over the net? - Andreas
youtube videos play on iPhone/iPod Touch as they are higher res mp4 files NOT flv files. It was a big deal when Steve negotiated that deal with youtube. - vijay
You have Moonlight to run Silverlight applications in Linux. Not perfect, but then an application made on Silverlight is "not perfect" by definition - Marcos Marado
The point here is that Google has no motivation to include Silverlight on these machines, and installing software likely won't be an option (it's a web appliance), so it will be absent from a lot of netbooks, just as it is absent from iPhones. That cuts into market share, which is a bad thing for a platform that is trying to compete with more universal tech like Flash and HTML.... more... - Paul Buchheit
@DanielChow: NaCl has very little overlap with ActiveX, apart from running native code. It runs in a provably safe way, and explicitly does *not* allow it to access arbitrary host APIs. But it can be quite useful when you need to run code that would be too slow in Javascript (even on v8): e.g., heavy encryption/decryption, possibly codecs, definitely game physics, and so forth. - Joel Webber
There is a time and a place for Flash and Silverlight so I hope it will run it. There are simply some things you can do which aren't possible, or practical in html/css/javascript. - Steve Temple
Paul: why wouldn't Chrome OS come with Moonlight? And if not, why wouldn't you be able to just install it? And third, why the hell would people want Moonlight for? I never installed it and not even once felt the need to! - Marcos Marado from fftogo
because of moonlight the potential userbase of silverlight is greatly improved, agree that projects which don't consider compatibility are limiting their potential - Mike Chelen
@mindboosternoori Ryanair site uses silverlight: that's the only website I know that uses it - for this you would need moonlight :) - Ihar Mahaniok
Flash is needed for the google os to be useful in education. Many education based websites are flash based. - Willowdale
@Paul "Google is probably paying OEMs to ship with this OS, so instead of paying $x/machine to include windows XP, they will get paid $y/machine to include Chrome." - paying present tense, already? Isn't it enough for OEMs not to have to pay hefty licenses to Redmond, etc., while being able to ship with a free, stable OS+browser combo; they need to be paid to do that as well? - ianf ⌘
I sure hope so. I think the wide array of JavaScript libraries have been killing Flash for years. Silverlight was never really a player. The only think keeping Flash afloat is video - Scott Radcliff
I don't know what's under the hood of Silverlight (nobody knows), but Flash is basically a sprite engine controlled by Actionscript, which is basically an adapted version of Javascript anyway. It's nicely packaged though, and has an army of developers, so it won't go away that easily, at least not until there are Flash-to-Canvas/ HTML5 porting tools/ translators and the like. - ianf ⌘
to follow that logic...photoshop is needed as well - Chris Hofmann
somebody call me when is working in Chrome OS (it's currently implemented in Silverlight) - Karim
If it gains any traction at all, MS will just make Silverlight version that will run on Google OS. Sure google could block it, but they haven't done so with the Chrome browser. - Jeff Weber
Interesting. I doubt the Google OS will get that big anytime soon though. - Scott Radcliff from email
Silverlight doesn't have a chance now...I wonder what would Adobe Air do. - Saad Kamal
not really, if google want to be open then they will need a plugin architecture for it and then MS could just port for it. I really don't see this troubling mainstream users any time soon. - Darren Stuart
Though I agree with the view that MS monopoly may erode as alternative devices get adoption over PC/Notebook, and these devices will mostly run on open source OS, but it may take years to create a significant change in every day usage of normal users. In the end, OS choice is mostly done by manufacturers, and they would be happy to get paid by open source vendors for putting their OS on... more... - Kaan Bingol
People want media. Hulu, Netflix, Kindle, iTunes, etc. They need to address that or they are DOA. - Hayes Haugen
Hayes, what makes you think it will lack media support? - Paul Buchheit
I don't think it will lack licensed media support but what deals they are able to make will be crucial. - Hayes Haugen
Hayes, i thought you were going to say that Netflix was using Silverlight. ;-) - Karim
Yes, they are, what is their deal with MSFT? Can they do non Silverlight distribution? - Hayes Haugen
i believe the Netflix non-Silverlight distribution is a format called "DVD" that works over the "Snail Mail" protocol. ;-) but clearly if Google is paying OEMs to install Chrome OS, they can pay Netflix to go back to Flash which Chrome OS will probably support "by necessity" ;-) - Karim
How can Google make money from Chrome OS? Or does it want to make money from it except through advertisement? I still can not imagine that all software and service are free and sponsored by advertisements. - Derek Wei
All Chrome OS questions are answered by today's Fake Steve Jobs ;) - Hayes Haugen
Is there a need to make money? If more and more people eschew desktop offline applications in favor of online web based apps, it means more pageviews, more eyeballs, more advertising inventory, plus has the side effect of undermining a big competitor's cash cow. - Ray Cromwell
That's the key, Google wants everything online. They figure the more people online, the stronger they become, and the more money they make. At least that what was said at the Chrome launch. - Scott Radcliff from email
I'm amused that the "backwards compatibility" argument against alternative operating systems has slowly turned into "does it support flash", and when you unpack that it really means "does it play YouTube". I suspect Google will make sure ChromeOS cna play YouTube and they don't need Flash to make sure of it. - Nick Lothian
Is it possible that Microsoft will write Office for the Web using Volta instead of Silverlight? Could be a showcase announcement for their attack on GWT - Ray Cromwell
I think Microsoft is going to focus less on the front-end of the web and more on the back-end, middle tier and database sides. Azure is a big deal that consumers aren't talking about because it's not flashy but will be pretty important to developers (and especially enterprise-level applications) when it's finally ready because everything becomes an interface to the cloud. Microsoft is... more... - Lindsay
Azure looks really cool. Hint: so did Blackbird. - Michael R. Bernstein
lol blackbird (scary redmond flashback) - a good example of azure platform utilization can be seen via jon udell's elmcity project - - mike "glemak" dunn
Nosense, I want silverlight, flash, html and any other technology in my desktop & mobile phone. Silverlight? yes, there you can develop under Python, Ruby et al, instead of the outdated javascript. - Sebastian Wain
It looks like with Native Client, you should be able to write your Chrome OS app in any language you feel like. So far, they have some examples in C/C++, but one of the things they ported is a Lua interpreter. If Adobe isn't going to invest heavily in fixing the show-stopping bugs on non-Windows versions of Flash, it's inevitably going to die, and there's really nothing either Google or Apple can do even if they wanted to support Flash better. - Victor Ganata
...ActionScript3 is ECMASCript-compliant. I know nothing about standards bodies, and shii like that, but what if Adobe dropped ActionScript and said, "You can now use pure Javascript to build Flash applications..." It wouldn't be a big leap. I'm pretty sure that would shut-up all the Flash haters. And to the folks who say Flash is hanging around just because of video...well, video is... more... - .LAG liked that
Actionscript is just the glue for the more advanced what-iffy graphic functionality of Flash. They can not drop it for Javascript, because it contains additional graphic primitives that JS lacks. But it's not the JS-or-Actionscript that makes it a target for hate, it's other things. Nobody denies that it's pretty capable, but it is also badly written, eats up memory like no other, makes... more... - ianf ⌘
I like this post! - Mohammad Abdurraafay from iPhone
I honestly don't know how necessary Flash is. Apple seems to be doing fine without supporting it. But certainly Gnash and Swfdec should be implementable on Chrome OS. The fact is that without Adobe's full support on a given platform, Flash apps will always be second class citizens on alternate platforms, and so far, there's no indication that Adobe is interested in fully supporting any platform other than Windows. - Victor Ganata
ianf bring up great points about Flash's detriments, as does Victor, but until there's a better way to bring video to the Web, I can't see it disappearing. Adobe seems to keep improving the Flash VM, hopefully they'll address those CPU-hogging issues and make a more efficent runtime. Yeah, I hate hearing the fans kick-in when visiting a Flash-heavy site too. <sigh> - .LAG liked that
alternative to flash video such as ... html5 :) (requires ff3.5) - Mike Chelen from IM
that only covers video and audio... *sigh* - Ed F from IM
Ed, only??? thats one of the main reasons cited for the continued requirement of flash on popular sites like youtube - Mike Chelen
I know, and it seems I'm the only one who mentions Flash's other uses... :-/ - Ed F from IM
Ed, those other uses can be accomplished through pure Javascript, video was the last remaining stumbling block - Mike Chelen
Still waiting on non-Flash recreations of this: or this: Well aware of how someone mentioned higher up how you can combine javascript and svg to get nifty flash-like effects. I want apps like that though ^ Only real alternatives I've seen are Java-based ones, and those runs even slower than Flash. - Ed F
Pardon me, but the OP is a ridiculous conclusion. For that to be the case, Chrome OS would have to kill Windows, OS X, etc altogether. Paul, I understand your viewpoint as being an ex-Google person, but that's just NOT going to happen. Right now the video specification from HTML5 has been dropped because of an impasse, meaning that we may be transitioning from 1 closed-source boss - Flash - to another - H264. Good luck. - LANjackal
But why do these type of apps have to be written in Flash at all? You can easily do the same thing in C, C++, ObjC, Python, Ruby, etc., with the Native Client API that they're building for Chrome. - Victor Ganata
write them yourself then. until then, I'll stick with desktop apps or Flash equivalents - Ed F from IM
I'm just saying, it's not like Flash is the end-all/be-all. As Apple well demonstrates, some people can live quite well without it. - Victor Ganata
Victor ...i think the answer to the 'why do these have to be written in Flash at all' question is because Flash is installed on such a significant portion of Web browsers. But I recall that Adobe Flex had a competitor, Laszlo/OpenLaszlo, which compiled apps to SWF or to Javascript. Who's to say that Adobe doesn't have the same capability of making SWF apps into JS ones? On one hand, it... more... - .LAG liked that
Ed, such apps are possible with Javascript and HTML5 multimedia features, the question will be how difficult developers find it, and whether the performance is fast enough - Mike Chelen
LANjackal, there is a question of degree in that Flash + H264 uses proprietary software and codec, while HTML5 + H264 requires only the codec. while OGV is no longer part of the spec, it can certainly still be used to have completely open video formats, and recent comparisons have shown it performs well - Mike Chelen
Silverlight's 3 is looking pretty impressive today but tend to agree - Charlie Anzman
still haven't updated yet. Busy with something on Firefox - LANjackal from IM
What everybody seems to be missing about Flash is that it works because there is one implementation which is mostly backwards-compatible and the same across platforms. It beat Java because, among other reasons, Java just didn't work the same across JVMs and platforms. The problem with HTML5 is that it will have a different implementation for every browser, and that means your app/game... more... - Gabe
Yeah the video spec for HTML5 is currently a disaster - LANjackal from IM
Paul, don't you prefer brutal competition SL vs. Flash vs. standards bring to the table by definition? Or are you more into - 2020 Google Union - type of ideology? - Kari Honkanen
Kari, I don't understand your question. Competition is good, but with open-source we get that -- no need for flash or SL. - Paul Buchheit
Paul, no, we don't get the same level of competition with open-source only. As long as there's an opportunity for big gains (like in this case to bridge the gap before html 5 satisfy demand), there will be innovations driven by that. I believe we all benefit from a free market economy that includes commercial, closed source, innovations. I am more scared of the possible future... more... - Kari Honkanen
I agree that the future is neither open nor closed, but a mixture of the 2. Been preaching that for a while now, but then again there are the fanatics on either side who can't see anything other than a homogenous future - LANjackal from IM
I wouldn't worry too much amount multimedia. By exposing WebGL, (and hopefully OpenCL), you can offload a lot of compute intensive stuff onto the GPU via GPGPU techniques, and NativeClient is there to take up the rest of the slack, but the for the vast majority of iPhone-like games, I'm willing to bet V8 Javascript on a modern processor is more than enough. That leaves licensing issues... more... - Ray Cromwell
Paul, so are you saying that Google will block both Flash and Silverlight from ChromeOS? That's a new take on 'open.' - Cliff Gerrish
MSFT next smart move: get Chrome OS (it's BSD licensed), inject IE9 and Silverlight into it and go benchmark against Chrome :) - Claudio Cicali
MSFT sucks Claudio :) - Orlando Pozo
@caludio: They've already done that, somewhat. Silverlight 4 Beta supports Chrome. However I'm pretty sure it's probably technically impractical to run another browser atop Chrome OS anyway - LANjackal from IM
Something feels contradictory about a system touted to 'kill' competitors being 'open'. Sounds almost predatory to me. - Karoli
If the concept of open source didn't allow for competitive business plans then quite a few companies that depend on it wouldn't exist. The "happy smiley" image most FOSS zealots promote isn't reflective of reality. There will always be competition, even among the free - LANjackal from IM
I'm not opposed to non-open software, but for OS, browser, etc I prefer that it be open. Cliff, Google isn't going to "block" anything, but they can certainly choose what to include, and my guess is that they won't include SL. As Claudio points out, MSFT can make their own version of ChromeOS that includes SL, which is why open source software is nice (it can't be crippled too much or else someone will fork it). - Paul Buchheit
I have heard somewhere that Fash uses it's own port where Silverlight works over the HTTP port. That's why Netflix works so well. To that, Flash costs more on a sever side because providers can charge more for that port traffic. Could it come down to who is cheaper? (I am fully prepared to be wrong). - Johnny
Johnny, they both use HTTP -- there's no difference there. - Paul Buchheit
Is Chrome OS BSD-licensed? I thought it was using a Linux kernel. - Victor Ganata
@Paul - well, Flash can do P2P stuff over non-HTTP posts, but that is very new (Flash 10 I think). The cost isn't affected anyway. - Nick Lothian
My understanding is that netbooks would have to be absurdly popular for Chrome OS to make a dent in the popularity of Flash or SL. - Gabe
not rly, the defeat of Flash & SL depends on the rise of HTML5, which will b supported by multiple browsers. Unfortunately spec disagreements r holding that up. That's another advantage of closed systems : fewer cooks often makes the broth get done faster lol - LANjackal from IM
it is possible to have smaller groups for open source software, such as google's own gears api - Mike Chelen
How is HTML 5 going to defeat Flash and SL? I haven't used it, but I don't see anything in the spec that looks like it could compare. - Gabe
@Gabe - what do you think HTML5 is missing? It does video, drawing, local storage, "threading" via WebWorkers. The biggest hole I'm aware of is the lack of access to webcams & microphones. What have I missed? - Nick Lothian
HTML 5's not "missing" much in terms of its ambition. What it's missing is a consensus among its contributors. Flash and SL have gone through several iterations while HTML 5's been sitting there - LANjackal from IM
Nick: When you say HTML 5 has "drawing", are you refering to the Canvas element? I would not consider an immediate-mode procedural raster drawing library to be much of a competitor to retained-mode declarative vector libraries like SVG or Silverlight. Programming with the Canvas tag is sort of the equivalent of programming in assembly language for bitmaps. - Gabe
@Gabe: I think you've got it upside-down. A Canvas-style API is the fundamental basis on which you can build a retained mode structure like SVG, et al. If a platform includes a retained-mode library as a convenience, so be it. You can build SVG on Canvas, but not the other way around (hacks like IECanvas notwithstanding -- they have horrible performance characteristics and are a nasty abstraction inversion). - Joel Webber
So, if Moonlight (Mono) runs on linux -- Will google make sure it doesn't work on Chrome OS? - Cliff Gerrish
No they won't, because it Silverlight already runs on Chrome as of Beta 4 - LANjackal from IM
Joel: I don't think you said anything contrary to what I said. I just don't understand why any programmer would want to waste time writing an app using a low-level library when I could use a high-level library that implements everything for me. - Gabe
@Gabe - I agree, and people are implementing those libraries now. See for example. Also, don't underestimate the convenience factor. I don't own any Flash development tools, but my text editor works pretty well for Canvas+JS based stuff. - Nick Lothian
Nick: Didn't the author of raphael have some massive rant about how bad the Canvas element is? And I don't have any Flash dev tools either, but I use a text editor for most of my Silverlight development. It is incredibly convenient to be able to type something like <DataGrid ItemsSource="{Binding tabledata}"/> into a text editor and not have to create the data grid myself. - Gabe
Why is Flash a "necessity" for an OS? I enjoy what flash can do, but it is like putting pimped out leather Oldsmobile seats in a Ferrari. It would definitely be nice, but certainly not a necessity. - Dan Douglass
Early post goof up. To your original point, I agree. I like how Google is approaching the internet space with web apps that can be run with out a bloated browser. - Dan Douglass
Dan Douglass: Flash is necessary because so many web sites rely on it. How many people would want to get a netbook that couldn't play FaceBook games or watch YouTube videos? Of course Google is in the unique position of being able to make YouTube work on ChromeOS without Flash, but they probably can't do anything about Hulu, Vimeo, or any of the other video sites out there that require Flash. - Gabe
Anyone else think Joy is Spam? - Chris Myles
already reported it yesterday :) - Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ from IM
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