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w00t! I finally got my Wave invite!! Thanks Vijay ^-^
Yolanda, Mark Wilson, J. Abdul-Qahhar and 17 other people liked this
Finally got mine too. I like it so far.
- Michael Gaines
How many days did it take to get yours?
- Joe
I think it's been a week total
- Lindsey is Fierce!
I am waiting for mine.
- Joe
A week for me, but a friend who got invited earlier than me hasn't gotten hers yet
- Michael Gaines
Me too ... seconds ago. :D
- Adrian
I have no idea what I'm doing
- Lindsey is Fierce!
*taps fingers, sighs*
- Amy℠
Oh, MAN! I wants one too.
- Martha
adrian.culici@googlewave.com if you would like to Wave. I gots no one but Jandy so far.
- Adrian
Added you Adrian :) eclips115@googlewave.com
- Lindsey is Fierce!
I tried to add you but it says eclips115@googlewave.com is not a Google Wave account... spelled it ok?
- Adrian
Mark was getting that problem too for some reason . . . that's definitely how I spell it
- Lindsey is Fierce!
still looking for one here too. jack@loki.mp if anyone is feeling generous. :)
- Jack Lhasa
Wow...where's the love Vijay?! :P
- JA Castillo
@Lindsey - have you played with it much? Good? Bad? Meh?
- JA Castillo
Ya ,, where is DA LOVE ... IM STILL WITHOUT
- johnpiercy
I haven't had a lot of time to mess with it. They definitely have some UI issues and I think I need to a reason to use it to fully appreciate it.
- Lindsey is Fierce!
Cool, Lindsey, see you on there. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
next year we'll ALL be 'surfing' the net. On Wave. Really looking forward to that.
- vijay
Wave, me too? gattoo at gmail dot com
- Nitin Nanivadekar
vijay show a brother some love saigalt@gmail.com
- viki saigal
Wave -- Can you get me one? gattoo at gmail dot com
- Nitin Nanivadekar
I'm outta invites guys. Will make sure you guys get one if I get another round of invites.
- vijay
I'm going to have my geek credentials pulled because I have not loaded up Snow Leopard yet.
Burak "cyrus" Bayburtlu, Johan Bakken, Simon Wicks and 13 other people liked this
If it looks like they're going to cancel your geek credentials and you need a rec, I'll vouch for you.
- Bruce Lewis
Look! I caught a Scoble thread before it had 400 comments!
- Lindsay
Maybe you did and just haven't noticed yet, like everyone else who has done the upgrade ;-)
- Andrew Leyden
Andrew: that's funny! Lindsay: heh, don't worry, engagement is down here.
- Robert Scoble
I'm totally diappointed. I thought you're an early adopter! :P
- imabonehead
I'm a little disappointed I paid money for it. There's really not much difference. It's a service pack, that's all.
- Jesse Stay
I want to be the last person on FriendFeed to do it.
- Rob Sterling
Yeah! This is the perfect way to show that you're a rebel!
- Akiva Moskovitz
I'm currently recommending people wait to install Snow Leopard. It breaks too many things and there's no apparent benefit (unless you need a specific new feature like Exchange support in Apple Mail).
- Leo Laporte
Agree with Leo
- Jesse Stay
Longest I have gone without installing a major upgrade.. (after working at Apple for many a year) and unfortunately not very excited about it either.. Over heard people at the coffee shop voice their disappointment as well.. Is this a poor excuse for an upgrade? wheres all the amazing new features for our main desktop platform? Apple pouring focus into mobile and letting the core slip?
- Tyson
Oy vey. It just blows my mind that people are complaining about the lack of wow factor in an upgrade that has been, from near the start, touted as an under-the-hood upgrade.
- Akiva Moskovitz
All I've been hearing about snow leopard is that it breaks stuff.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
What I've been telling people is this: there's more to a major OS upgrade than just a bunch of desktop eye candy. Things are going to break even if it is an Apple product. Luckily for me, the only things that have broken have been very minor (Glims and Privoxy). Thus, the caveat that should haunt the release of any OS upgrade: unless you like living on the edge, just wait until the...
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- Akiva Moskovitz
so we have to wait another year for the next "major upgrade" ?? Im sure Apple have a load of features they could have released? Apple can dictate tech trends.. Then I wonder are they actually slowing things down.. then I wonder is facebook also guilty of this by buying friendfeed?
- Tyson
Back up your Adobe stuff. :)
- Louis Gray
Akiva: it sounds like Snow Leopard is Apple's Vista.
- Robert Scoble
As they say after a team's disappointing hockey season, It's a rebuilding year.
- Micah Wittman
I have all Mac's in my studio and only started with one, it's really fast...
- Jade Y. Gunver
Vista took 5 years to produce, it overpromised, underdelivered and is cludgy on computers made 3 years later and costs hundreds of dollars. Snow Leopard took 2 years to produce, promised very little, costs $30, and delivers speed, refinement, and stability and makes 3 year old laptops run faster
- El Pub
And yes: I'm a mac user and a red wings fan so...
- El Pub
Robert, if you lose your geek cred for not installing Snow Leopard right away, then something is wrong with the geek community.
- Eric Geller
oh well....I won't remove the geek credentials for that. In fact Id say they are stronger :-)
- Richard Binhammer
Are "geek credentials" really useful in order to be considered as a professional?
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
from email
I haven't installed it either. From all I've read and heard, it sounds like a maintenance upgrade that you have to pay for. I'll wait for 10.6.1 and give all the apps a chance to update to the latest version. I think I'm more excited about the Windows 7 upgrade. :)
- Tom Newman
With all its problems, you're not missing much
- Michael Gaines
Gotta say - it improved the color in my Canon inkjet prints from InDesign.
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
Using Epson paper. ;-)
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
(Which sounds just unnatural enough it makes me want to make all the sorts of jokes a liberal shouldn't make about people who are not liberals.)
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
I need to pay more attention to FriendFeed
having the desktop notifier helps: http://friendfeed.com/setting...
- Alachia
Ah, right. Forgot about that.
- Michael Gaines
Another reason to enjoy England: we dont have fires. Suck it, Cali!
Yeah, cuz it rains so much the fire can't get started. :)
- Michael Gaines
@extralife hey did I tell you about my new App show? (ok, JUST KIDDING!)
Dan liked this
I think I missed this inside joke?
- Alachia
He tweeted that app shows were popping up left and right so I jokingly said I was starting a new one
- Michael Gaines
from email
What not to market - http://www.christopherspenn.com/2009...
The problem with your analogy is that there are thousands of people you can ask in /2 whether or not a Runecloth Belt being sold for 100g is worth it. In WoW, the game has been around for SO long that the instant someone makes a dumb move on the AH, people will laugh at it. I tried to sell an Orb of Deception for WEEKS at 2000g and couldn't because even though I was the only person with...
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- Michael Gaines
What The Hashtag - Tracking Hashtags Just Got Better - http://getanewbrowser.com/2009...
Jesper Kjær Hansen, Taylor Davidson, AJ Kohn and 18 other people liked this
Are hashtags here to stay?
- Justin Whittaker
Justin, I think you'll still see them as a way to tag things by text, but the future is in meta things you don't see on the surface. Hashtags are a hack for not being able to categorize Tweets in a logical way. They pollute the 140 character stream and just add to the noise on sites like Twitter.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, whether or not you like the hashtag, it was created by the community as a way to categorize tweets. If you remember, Twitter didn't even use @ in the beginning, and now it's common. How else are we supposed to tell people that a tweet is relevant to SXSW or Star Trek or hockey? Until Twitter can read my mind, I'll use hashtags.
- Michael Gaines
@michael - great points... @jesse i think they reduce the noise on twitter allowing people to find discussions
- andy brudtkuhl
hashtags increase the value of those discussions because they form a relationship to an otherwise disconnected system. If they had threaded conversations - it would be a lot easier to discern the meaning of a conversation without the hashtag annotation
- andy brudtkuhl
I think they're a necessary evil. They do pollute the stream but they're a fantastic way of grouping content.
- Mark Bockenstedt
Even with better search capabilities, hashtags are a deliberate way of saying your message is part of a larger conversation. Event tweets are a prime example.
- Mike Templeton
Jesse is just jealous. #snark
- Chris Messina
Chris: I found this post by searching on "jealous." Is jealous a hashtag or not? Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble just proved the point I was about to make. The # symbol is not needed.
- Josh Haley
Beats the hell out of What The Trend
- Angus Burton
a hashtag is a delimiter between deliberate and accidental participation in a meme
- Brian Hendrickson
well put Brian
- Angus Burton
@brian: That is my point exactly. Especially when using event/conference tags. Using the event hashtag deliberately puts your content into the event stream for others to see. Hashtags are not necessarily there for searching, but for grouping content together.
- Mike Templeton
What was your favorite candy when you were a kid? - http://farm1.static.flickr.com/117...
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anoush, Kol Tregaskes, Phoenix and 4 other people liked this
I've always loved cotton candy....mmmmmmm
- Ebm
from Bookmarklet
Big league chew ftw!
- WiseYoda (aka Patrick)
from BuddyFeed
Charleston Chews - kept in the freezer to make it cold and extra chewy.
- Jen (SquirrelGirl)
mmmm strawberry charleston chews...soooo good :p
- Ebm
GUMMI BEARS.
- teh Dork Knight aka Kenny
Mmmmmm, what about classics like Skittles and Snicker Bars? I still enjoy those even though I'm just a kid inside.
- WiseYoda (aka Patrick)
"kinder" chocolate
- esther ♥ ♫
As a kid and as an adult, put a Reese's peanut butter cup just out of my reach and it's as torturous as waterboarding.
- Derrick
Reese cups, Milky Way bars, and those puffy peppermints. Not all together, of course.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Making me hungry for CANDY!!!!! :P
- Ebm
Now & Laters and Whatchamacallits.
- Admiral Anika
Three Musketeers
- Michael Gaines
I got a three muskateers bar from my teacher for having perfect attendance in kindergarten. That was pretty cool.
- Thomas Hawk
Has to be Texan bars and Spangles. http://www.cybercandy.co.uk/aaasmt... and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Andy Bold
NERDS.. and Fun Dip
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Boogers.
- Brad Williamson
Zotts
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
What do you mean when I was a kid? (swedish fish, skittles, milky way, root beer barrels, twizzlers, red hot dollars, good 'n plenty, toffifay, sky bars, chunky, ice cubes, zotts, pop rocks, wacky packages, charleston chews, turkish taffy, .....
- Martha
Well done Martha - I love the way you think, we are going to get along famously :p
- Ebm
Pop rocks!!! I forgot all about pop rocks! Must get some asap!
- Ebm
Snickers and Marshmallows
- Brent - Loving Life
I think they were Hershey bars, which I won't touch now.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
aw why? they are so good that's why they are classic
- Ebm
oh jezzz I forgot good morning yall
how about...get in bindpoint.
- Alachia
agreed
- morganefay
alrighty
- jon kerkhoff
Oh yeah, bindpoint. When I get out from under this pile I'll get back in there.
- Michael Gaines
clone starmike please. :D
- Alachia
Dear google: please fix your shit.
...and Twitter, and Facebook....
- Michael Gaines
Anyone else getting a lot of FriendFeed subscribers today?
TheDiva Rockin liked this
Yup, I said the same thing this morning. Everyone's using FF to mimic what Twitter took away.
- Michael Gaines
I'm one of them. Was following you on TWITTER, now following on FF.
- Al
It's the next wave of Twitter Migration...They found us!!
- TheDiva Rockin
Beginning the backlog of AHG. Oh lord. Help me.
See you in two weeks :D
- Michael Gaines
yeah right, try one month!
- Alachia
on a soulful folk song binge. Anyone know a good band/ singer?
John Denver
- Michael Gaines
gordon lightfoot "The Wreck of the Edmonfitgerald"
- jon kerkhoff
Here's a question for @kshep and all the Twitter API experts out there: is it possible to write a script that auto-blocks phony followers on my account? I'd love that! First we'd have to figure out what makes a bogus account: no picture+no posts+30 days old+???
Alan Le, Alfredo, Nilesh and 14 other people liked this
Entirely possible, but as you said, it would mean determining what a phony (spam) account is, while cutting down on the possibility of false positives.
- Michael Gaines
The best auto block is to simply ignore them. If you don't follow them back you don't have to see their nonsense. Problem solved. Again - I don't manage who follows me, I manage who I follow.
- Brian Roy
Sure, it's possible... Do you truly want to prevent them from seeing what you post, or is the goal to "deflate" your follower count?
- Ken Sheppardson
I'd do it just to clean up my numbers, but if numerous people blocked spammy accounts Twitter could not ignore their existence. That's why you'd want to use Block. These inflated numbers benefit Twitter's valuation but not the conversation.
- Leo Laporte
Leo, SocialToo has a tool where you can automatically unfollow people who follow you and unfollow you in a certain number of days (such as 2). That quick follow/unfollow is a clear indicator of a faux account on most days. http://www.socialtoo.com
- Louis Gray
Yeah, "block" is really the closest thing Twitter has to something like eBay's negative feedback. Lemme see what I can do... :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
I'm not autofollowing. I carefully control who I follow, and with all these spammers joining I'm sure most people will stop using autofollow tools. Autofollow is the only reason I can think of for spammers on Twitter. Correction - I do autofollow on @twitlive - but I don't see a lot of spammers there for some reason.
- Leo Laporte
Leo: When us mere mortals who don't have tens of thousands of followers and aren't getting 1K plus new followers a day do get a new one, we typically go check out the new follower's profile. In the case of a "real spammer" vs a "fake user", the spammer just got our attention and we saw their message.
- Ken Sheppardson
...and the "mere mortal" crack wasn't intended as snark. I just meant "every day, non-celebrity user" :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
So the trick here is that you have to make a separate API call to get the extended info for each of your followers to find out who they're following. At the 20K/hr rate limit... 90K followers... it takes a while. It'd be interesting to see the analysis though... maybe I'll invest half a night's worth API calls and collect the data...
- Ken Sheppardson
That would be great. I could use a script like that also.
- Michael McGimpsey
from twhirl
There's a fine line between doing something as an experiment to collect data or as a one off to fix one's own list and doing Twitter's job for them (i.e. fraud and spam detection.)
- Ken Sheppardson
USB memory key with a password
Nicholas James, Oliver Hörold, Melanie Reed and 25 other people liked this
http://www.takeanyware.com $44-100 keeps your data safe and encrypted -- you put a password in here. If someone finds your key they can't get into your data. http://www.Knox-it.net
- Robert Scoble
from email
In her? Does she have a name yet?
- Mike Lewis
Don't forget to keep your password safe. On a sticky attached to your monitor means you won't forget it is always a good bet, or on the keyboard of your laptop if you're more mobile.
- WorldofHiglet
i'm going to tape my password to the key!! :-)
- Russell Thomas
Isn't this much better? http://tr.im/3dhi Adds a biometric finger reader to the mix.
- Adam Helweh
Cool...i like!
- Susan Beebe
WANT!
- Joey Gibson
I bet it's already been reverse-engineered, and someone's discovered that it's using extremely weak crypto.
- Tyson Key
was going to buy IronKey Personal, a buddy works there. Wonder if and how this is better than IronKey
- Kiran Patchigolla
LOL @ Tyson's comment - probably true
- Patrick Jordan
Mac support?
- Michael Gaines
I doubt anything's better than IronKey in this space ... that said, it this is a lot cheaper, it might be good enough for most folks.
- J. McConnell
Ouch ... no Mac support and not even a mention of Linux ...
- J. McConnell
What about a standard PGP encrypted partition on a USB memory key?!...
- Andreas
TrueCrypt and a standard USB key...open source based encryption goodness for all operating systems...
- Patrick Pushor
Bummer about the Mac support. Need 25 of these for employees at my office. I need Time Capsule, with encryption, on a stick.
- Kawika Holbrook
Kawika : As posted, TrueCrypt with some optional applescript wrapping = the same thing. I will write something up on this and link you the post.
- Patrick Pushor
Nine ways Twitter could make money:
Mike Coulter, Bertrand Doux, Bart Muskala - AdNerd Sr. and 88 other people liked this
1. Look for affiliate revenues
- Robert Scoble
2. Exploit the spaces between content
- Robert Scoble
3. Adopt a freemium model
- Robert Scoble
4. Add Virtual Goods
- Robert Scoble
5. Get recurring revenue, er, find a way to charge for subscriptions.
- Robert Scoble
6. If you’re going to do advertising, get into creating ads that are viral and interactive.
- Robert Scoble
7. Create “frequent tweeting” programs
- Robert Scoble
8. Look for support, or tips, from your users.
- Robert Scoble
9. Get outside your website. Try to sell schwag. Do events. Etc.
- Robert Scoble
Pro features at some point would be nice. An enterprise version could work as well.
- Mike Fruchter
Inserting geo-targetted ads on Tweets.
- Mike Fruchter
Got any others?
- Robert Scoble
what about truncated, collapsable/expandable threading?
- David Lloyd
And maybe "Nine ways Friendfeed could make money" hehe
- David Lloyd
Twitter should license their technology to companies for intranets.
- Michael Gaines
TweetSense. Ad Tweets served BY Twitter, who has the best idea of your Tweet volume and subject matter. http://www.blindfiveyearold.com/tweetse... Lowest hanging fruit, contextual ads on the Twitter Search page.
- AJ Kohn
What about platform support via dev tools? Encourage the ecosystem and make money at the same time? (Apologies, Robert, I replied on Twitter first.)
- Tim Beyers
premium blogger services. Cool site integration tools with metrics.
- Chris Baskind
10. add premium support for app developers.
- Darren Stuart
Considering they have had 100% uptime for a few months, you have to think stability is fine now and they have their engineers beavering away on new features. Of course digg has 80 engineers and hardly ever seems to launch anything :p
- David Lloyd
Thanks for this article Robert
- bcultral
11. sell inhouse or managed solutions to companies for their own uses internally and sell federation CAL's so they can connect the internal solution to the wider twitter network so that specific users can tweet to the public.
- alphaxion
Sell the entire background page to brands by the hour/day with some of the area being made available for discounts/offers. (You need something to benefit users too, not just Twitter.) ;-p
- mtlb
I'm a little scared of the day all these FREE Social Networking sites CLOSE THE DOOR ON FREE, with all my data inside.
- PaulFrankRizzo
good point..what is the answer Robert?
- bcultral
Paul: I don't think free is going away. But I sure would pay for decent DM features, for instance. Lots of companies would pay for custom skinning features.
- Robert Scoble
By following a brand's advertising account you consent to receiving ads from them. Add some profiling info to this and it could be a powerful tool to receive adverts on a users terms.
- John Galpin
7.1> Post ad-tweets every half an hour from twitter account, which every twitter user will follow by default (have to follow by default). Make changes to API, so that people can't work around it and dodge this tweet.
- | Balu |
freemium is definitely the way, one flavor or another. you don't want to kill the value of the network - quantity and quality - by driving away elements of it. plus for every paying site, there will always be a new free site up in less time it takes to say "bob's my uncle"
- Pascal Bouvier
Create daily reports for similar types of tweets and licence that data to various companies, this will be user generated marketing report.
- Shanthala Balagopal
Chris: in that case I hope they do all nine! Just kidding, but, seriously, these sites need to find a way to make some revenues or they'll go away. If you don't want them to find a revenue model you are NOT a good user of these systems.
- Robert Scoble
ugh, can we please look at ways for twitter to make money without resorting to adverts? I'm pretty sure there's loads of ways, I've mentioned the one I have been bleeting on about for months now. How about you? Can you come up with ways to make money without going cap in hand to advertisers?
- alphaxion
Phase 1: Twitter Phase 2: ??? Phase 3: Profit!
- Alastair Montgomery
alphaxion: most of these are not about advertising.
- Robert Scoble
Every local government needs to be on twitter, on their own twitter - and so does every state and federal government, police and emergency service - operated privately and 'independently' from the main twitter stream.
- Chris Loft
care to comment about Obama and his 8 million strong email database taken into the Govt side? I am a community organizer and feel that email list belongs to the people
- bcultral
Create a premium 'breaking news' service from data mining existing content and sell it to the old media.
- Andrew Leyden
apart from 6 ;) Tho I'm addressing the others who are commenting rather than your suggestions. Trying to tease a bit of creative thinking out of people. I think it is a very healthy activity to get people working on ideas for how to make money and excluding the advertisers at the same time.
- alphaxion
Chris: friendfeed has the same business model choices ahead of them to make too.
- Robert Scoble
Selling my email address is NOT a way to make money. People will lose faith and/or start using phony emails for signups.
- Michael Gaines
Alphaxion: #6 is actually about Context Optional, a company that creates very creative, viral ads. If you're going to do ads, that's the way to do it.
- Robert Scoble
squeeze the advertisers...users should not have to pay for service ..other then paying to put up with advertisers and regulating and demanding subtlety
- bcultral
Chris: hah! Actually most of the dating services are going to free models so they'll need to use some of these 9 too.
- Robert Scoble
Robin: problem is that advertisers are going away. TechCrunch is hearing that this year could see some sites have 50% fewer ad revenues than before. So, you'll see more sites use these nine business models on you.
- Robert Scoble
point taken
- bcultral
How many users on FF at this point?
- bravestface
Have Twitter subscribers pick a few products to "endorse", and have ads with their Twitter names attached to them. Then, give those users a discount based on # of clicks.
- Michael Gaines
Robert: not forgetting that comps can simply sing up with an account and tweet updates from there, which is where inhouse and federation can be handy. New version release? An auto tweet to the public can be done
- alphaxion
Chris: adsense is shit. Pays low CPMs. HotorNot makes $10 by selling virtual flowers. I'd love to be able to put a flower on your comments. Or something else. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Turn "following" into a Multi-Level Marketing pyramid!
- Rick Tuttle
very interesting discussion, robert. thank you! after 2 months of running Magpie (http://be-a-magpie.com), I can resume that #2 from your list works really well for both tweeps (they earn) and advertisers.
- Jan Schulz-Hofen
the sale of commercial API keys so that software such as starteam or sourceforge could tweet out info automatically based on trigger events to both private and public twitter networks.
- alphaxion
:)
- bcultral
Charge for Groups feature ala Yammer
- Sajida H Khan
They should Plax-ify Twitter and create a premium service to share and update full contact details between followers.
- matt howard
Rick: I thought following already was a multi-level marketing pyramid! You should have seen my son on Sunday when we were on Leo Laporte's show. He told his 2,000 live listeners that they had to follow my son. He got 100 new followers in a couple of minutes.
- Robert Scoble
I think you forgot data mining (which links directly into advertising model, and buzz campaign monitoring). In a nutshell they should have a look at us ;-) (heck, we already do #2 and what I mentionned above!)
- twitscoop
bravestface: there are about 250,000 registered users of friendfeed (it's a guess based on available data).
- Robert Scoble
cant we think SMS as a strong income model?
- Sinan Ata
If you're a company trying sell/advertise via Twitter...I would expect them to pay. That way it doesn't piss off your standard user. The key is charging less than other competing PR firms.
- CannonGod
How about a search engine. Soon there will be so many people and companies on Twitter (and similar sites) that people will want to search for those like they do for web sites. It's already frustrating trying to find people now as the current search is very limited. Add to that a similar model to AdWords that could generate money. Would be interested to see what other people think of this idea!
- Joanna Butler
A variant on #5 - develop tools for professional/advanced use of twitter and charge for that level of service. Search / stats / archival tools.
- Patrick Pushor
Joanna: http://search.twitter.com has tons of places to monetize. I'd pay $5 a month to be listed on top or have a "pro" icon next to my name, for instance.
- Robert Scoble
Chris: there are quite a few that I don't even track. Hi-5, for instance.
- Robert Scoble
Emphasis on 'could'
- AJ Kohn
Robert: I'm with you on that! Once companies are using Twitter, they'd easily see the benefits of a pro listing. I have several clients who'd at least be willing to experiment that.
- Joanna Butler
The key is for Twitter to charge advertisers and not users. For example, they could make a mint by placing sidebar ads (a la FB) and justifying $ rates relative to the most popular people followed - such as you, @LeoLaporte, @guykawasaki, oh, and 'That One.'
- Jim Mitchem
@jim they would make orders of magnitudes more by selling their software, support of the software and access to their software instead of limiting themselves so badly with conventional advertising.
- alphaxion
If you tell Toyota or Coke that their constituency is online with Twitter and they're following specific people, or trending topics - you know they'd pay through the nose for those precious few seconds. It's push vs. pull.
- Jim Mitchem
@chris - that's cool, just don't snort coke and drive Trish in a Toyota concurrently.
- Jim Mitchem
@chris their software is a product they can sell, the userbase is a compelling feature of that product.. "pay for our commerical API to add twitter support to your product and add the ability of your customers to share their going-ons with the network and stoke demand and interest"...
- alphaxion
Chris: exactly. Done right, who wouldn't pay?
- Joanna Butler
What's the source of the current online culture of entitlement? Users don't want paid subscriptions nor to suffer ads. The same view that powers online piracy. Shouldn't creative professionals and those who fund them be compensated? If not, there will eventually be a big drop in production. Ps- few companies even use internal IM or digital BBS to share institutional knowledge, I don't see enterprise Twitted as being very lucrative.
- Colin Hessel
I pay for reliability and accountability - a free service owes me nothing, they can lose my data overnight, be unavailable whenever, disappear. A service I pay for comes with an SLA, some guarantees, etc. Plus, if you don't pay for it, or donate to it, one day it will be gone and you might feel sorry.
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
I would pay for additional features = pro account (stability, groups, counter, threads etc in one interface)... but I am just an ordinary user...
- Hanna Wiszniewska
ok, so maybe Toyota was a bad example http://tinyurl.com/99gkj7
- Jim Mitchem
enterprise version already exists look at http://www.yammer.com
- Andrew Mueller
Great ideas Robert. Twitter execs will appreciate it but I still think no business model will exist until they are acquired.
- Jeremy Campbell
from twhirl
yes, i think acquisition was their business model - but the economic crisis did dash hopes of a gold-plated one so they are thinking about value added services now (through the buy-in of sandy it seems "concierge" style message parsing is one option they are looking at. If you can buy, book, plan, coordinate things semi automatically via twitter there is value in there)
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
content partnerships,
- imran
Following on from the discussion re FF UI - this discussion shows a BIG issue - I had to expand 95 comments to see Robert's original 9 (and was that the best way to publish the list?) and now I can't compress them!
- Mark Warren
Mark: if you refresh the page they will be compressed again.
- Robert Scoble
At the very least, show Google Ads on search
- Varun Mahajan
I like the idea of selling aspects of the API as a SaaS. Also think they could very easily start charging consumers for Track and SMS.
- Clay Newton
They would do well to add the ability to do very robust data mining. You can imagine providing a set of business intelligence dashboards to track and analyze customer sentiment as well as real time trend analysis.
- Clay Newton
Virtual goods are a really solid idea as well. Look at what they are doing at Mahalo Answers. Mixes virtual $$ and real $. Twitter could easily implement a number of different levels here. They could also open up the API to provide even greater levels of functionality for app developers, essentially building a tiny-app framework.
- Clay Newton
they should sell market info from mining their data, It's a great source of customer data
- Tony Jones
from twhirl
tony: you then get into the murkey problem of is it their data? By the same standard your ISP could sell their data on your usage. Is it ethical and would your customer base accept it?
- alphaxion
I just posted the Social Networking Monetization Golden Goose idea yesterday at http://www.growmap.com/monetiz...
- Internet Strategist
@alphaxion - Advertisers will always be in the mix and are inevitable, they should do just in a way that doesn’t interfere with individual tweets/updates. Unless Twitter has an endless supply of financing, they’ll have to go to outside sources, (like subscribers/advertisers). I don’t see Twitter though offering so much value as to make it worth paying for. Not enough features. (ESPN.com has its insider pay service and still runs a ton of ads on the site, so having one rev. stream doesn’t eliminate another.)
- mtlb
Someone also mentioned a pay service for exclusive/breaking news on Twitter. First, I have Drudge for breaking news, but more importantly, part of the appeal of Twitter is that people like to feel they broke the news themselves. Why should Twitter or a select few decide what's breaking and what’s not and exclude the rest of the users from contributing to that?
- mtlb
I would pay good money for the ability to punch people over the internet.
- stretta
Make people pay to block other users! They'll get rich.
- Rae21
I was reading this long list of comments and then the system did its hiccup/update thing and it all went away and I had to spend time looking for the damn thread again. Freaking annoying!
- Rae21
@twitscoop Twitter data mining (strangely over looked) seems less like a business model then and more like a feature of the social network: transforming the data flow of one's social graph into usable information is why we stick around in the first place. Oh, I guess that does count as a business model.
- Brad Kligerman
I've noticed a couple companies contacting me directly via Twitter when I have made noise about their products. Obviously, people say a lot of things on Twitter about products they use... I agree with Patrick Pushor; "develop tools for professional/advanced use of twitter and charge for that level of service". Twitter should send a rep. to companies to show them how to use Twitter to improve their own products and service, by using Twitter Search to find out what consumers are saying about their products.
- Colleen
I wrote an article about twitter's fundamental problem yesterday. Essentially, all communication networks move toward being free. www.zachlandes.com
- Zach Landes
Learn guitar lessons from Sting! (and more)
MG Siegler, Brian Roy and Susan Beebe liked this
woah sting
- Keyboardcowgirl
Does it have Learn to play the Ocarina? (iPhone app: http://www.smule.com/)
- RAD Moose
Sting will be all, "What? You call that a barre chord? Go back to Windows, you wanker."
- Karim
A celebrity is making more money than the guitar teacher in town. I'll take the celeb.
- Michael Gaines
I agree, master does not equal teacher
- Ryan
Hate to break it to everyone, but sting is a Bass player.
- Brian O'Neil
@Brian I knew that, if no one else did ;)
- Susan
actually Sting is a -very- accomplished guitarist... he's a phenom
- Jay Cuthrell
I don't understand why people go so ga-ga over Apple stuff. I don't use iPhone or iMovie. I like netbooks. Where's their frackin netbook?
Morton Fox, Helen Sventitsky, Tyson Key and 8 other people liked this
Like @ericabiz mentioned on Twitter earlier (http://twitter.com/ericabi...), it doesn't make sense to me that Apple introduced, instead of a lowcost netbook, a more expensive laptop during a recession. Sure, there is the Apple cult, but still, does it really make sense?
- Travis B. Hartwell
They have a netbook, Dave. The 'Air.'
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Agree, Apple is really missing the boat on the Net Book craze. Sure a 17" Mac Book Pro is cool, but a 10" Mac Book Net for <$500 would be even cooler!
- Jeff P. Henderson
It has been always in this way. Apple strategy: quality vs price. For this reason Apple had lost the race for being the IBM standard OS.
- Simone Riccardi
And why is Amazon out of stock on the 1000H, just when the Monkey's on my back?
- Ted Gilchrist
The problem for Apple seems to be that 12" notebooks overhead badly and had heatsink problems so anything smaller than that would likely be a bigger issue until they figure out a redesign
- Sally Church
If you don't get apple, don't try. Obviously it isn't for you friend:)
- orionstarr
10" screens are so 1991... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - If it doesn't fit in the coin pocket of my jeans (iPhone), I may as well be sitting at my desk.
- LogEx
Because they go the extra step. What they announed today with iPhoto alone is enough to destroy Picasa. Why even bother wtih Picasa anymore? Apple does two things well: 1) Ties togehter technologies that would normally be tough to use in a way that it's simple to use, and 2) Gives you ways to make your life easier.
- Michael Gaines
from twhirl
8 million DRM free songs in itunes now
Ross Miller, Bret Taylor, Paul Papadimitriou and 4 other people liked this
by the end of this quarter, all itunes drm free
- MG Siegler
big appluase
- MG Siegler
way to go !
- Kiran Patchigolla
And 1.29?
- Dave Ferrick
[cheers]
- Karim
cough parislemon and venturebeat predcition for 2009 cough
- MG Siegler
Yay! Very nice
- Christian Messer
YAY.. this almost made up for the other 'announcements'
- RAD Moose
@brian I'm wichou.
- Susan
Nice!
- Vinko
$1.29 is nothing. 45's used to be $3.
- Michael Gaines
iPhone **Yawn**
- Mario Camou
@michael and tangible... downloads are not.
- Susan
Yeah!
- Antoine Bertier
@susan still, a drop in price by 2/3 after 45's have been dead for 20 years? I'm not compaining.
- Michael Gaines
So how much does the iTunes plus upgrade cost? Still 30 cents a track?
- Mark Trapp
@Michael you had 2 songs on a 45
- Antoine Bertier
@antoine you had one song and MAYBE a decent song on the flip side.
- Michael Gaines
@michael point taken ;)
- Susan
very disappointed. they should have made it better to detract from Jobs not being there
- Keyboardcowgirl
Just one thing to say about this keynote... Meh.
- Mario Camou
I think this keynote has a hormonal imbalance.
- RAD Moose
itunes 3rd new thing: something with iphone
i guess downloads over 3g
- MG Siegler
yep
- MG Siegler
same price
- MG Siegler
same selection over 10 million songs on your iphone and with itunes plus
- MG Siegler
iPhone nano
- Spencer
finally... VZW and others have had this for awhile
- RAD Moose
starts today, use itunes on 3g
- MG Siegler
memory bump? [guess]
- Karim
come on...most anticlimactical apple keynote ever
- Keyboardcowgirl
@brian and 45's got scratched and dirty.
- Michael Gaines
Do you need an upgrade?
- RAD Moose
music is an intangible - you *hear* it - who cares how it gets onto your player. $1.29 is a bit high, but not bad...
- Ross Rader
not just 3g but edge too! just tried it!
- Bryan Guffey
Anti-Glare option for 17inch notebook
vijay liked this
Anti-glare OPTION?
- Michael Gaines
bring back the Matte!
- Shane Sveller
but phil likes the glossy version
- MG Siegler
excellent, where is my mini, common apple give us a mini
- Kiran Patchigolla
firewire 800, mini display
- MG Siegler
new glass trackpad
- MG Siegler
same as other macbooks
- MG Siegler
glass trackpad!
- Ryan
up to 8 GB memory
- MG Siegler
new NVIDIA graphics options, both chips like the high end 15 inch macbook
- MG Siegler
320 GB hard drive or 256 solid state drive -- nice
- MG Siegler
that completes iwork 09 moving on finally
79 bucks and 99 for family pack
- MG Siegler
49 bucks with a new mac
- MG Siegler
shipping today
- MG Siegler
Should be $49 for all upgraders
- bravestface
iWork ships today but iLife doesn't? Apple is cruel! :D
- Michael Gaines
Work before Play =P
- RAD Moose
garageband 09 wraps it up. there is a new version of iweb and idvd but phil schiller didn't call out the features of those. ships end of this month.
End of the month? Grrr... need to get rid of this clunky flickr plugin NOW!
- Michael Gaines
foggerty showing us how to play 'proud mary'
Susan Beebe liked this
sorry, i've been doing a post
- MG Siegler
nice!
- Susan Beebe
back shortly
- MG Siegler
again, this is all in garage band
- MG Siegler
so it's just guitar and piano?
- Mark Trapp
If I see Trent Reznor showing how to play "Closer", I'll faint :D
- Michael Gaines
cool...damn I hate all these meetings I have to attend, I'd rather be watching this! LOL
- Susan Beebe
LOL... that's funny!
- J MAN STUDIOS
just the first of the new products -- new imovie '09
Paul Wade and Susan Beebe liked this
people hated imovie '08
- MG Siegler
he didn't say that i did
- MG Siegler
imovie '08 was horrible
- J MAN STUDIOS
Been waiting.
- Tom Landini
people missed features - phil
- MG Siegler
I stopped using iMovie because of '08.
- Michael Gaines
http://chris.pirillo.com/live/ Chris' audio feed from the keynote
- Dave Senior
we've now added so much depth and so much power
- MG Siegler
Thank goodness.
- Teri Temme
like it being easy to use
- randy stewart
few other things for iphoto: flickr and facebook support
JA Castillo and Jay Cuthrell liked this
very nice
- MG Siegler
again, goodbye picasa for the mac
- MG Siegler
FLICKR SUPPORT? WIN!
- Michael Gaines
we hardly knew thee
- MG Siegler
second the Flickr and FB support
- Vinko
Google Maps jumps Picassa? Hmm interesting
- Susan Beebe
you can tag photos in iphoto, upload to facebook and THEY can tag on facebook and it goes back to your iphoto
- MG Siegler
http://live.gdgt.com/ is struggling
- David Lloyd
big applause on that
- MG Siegler
I guess they finally got sick of all the 3rd party plugins that do it... "ungracefully"
- Dave Senior
wow, that's great
- Susan Beebe
Very nice!
- JA Castillo
I installed Picasa just 2 hours ago. sigh
- Keyboardcowgirl
removing Picasa now
- Vinko
Not only did I just install picasa, I also just moved my whole photo collection to Lightroom 2. Now I'm second guessing . . .
- Matthew Speicher
Yeah... we need better photo editing... Aperture Express like
- Vinko
@Vinko - now that would great!
- JA Castillo
he's talking about face detection in the new iPhoto for iLife 09. you can search on faces and find the same person. sounds like ... ilovephotos. hmm.
I too just installed Picassa
- Vinko
yeah jason this is MUCH better
- MG Siegler
it's like facebook + flickr on your computer
- MG Siegler
wow cool integration~
- Susan Beebe
i say that of course without using it
- MG Siegler
what about twins? :D
- Michael Gaines
Yeah Louis Gray will want to know about twins facial recognition!
- Susan Beebe
Very cool for a corporate setting when you need to find photos of one person in amongst 100s
- Steve
Susan? Are you just trying to see if I was paying attention? Name dropper. :-)
- Louis Gray
hahah It worked right?!
- Susan Beebe
Test from FF new IM feature to Twitter
PASS!
- Michael Gaines
Best website ever WITHOUT PANTS - http://digg.com/apple...
"Brian Boytano takes douche's balanced kryptoniteand was infiltrated by where the poop goes."
- Michael Gaines
Realizing I need to better balance my noise/signal ratio here on FriendFeed. Lists don't help as I get noise in every list. Weird how the noise is more noticeable to me here vs. Twitter.
Mark Wilson, Daniel J. Pritchett, LogEx and 2 other people liked this
I think part of the problem, at least for me, is that people have one Twitter ID and multiple interests. I've been thinking about breaking my interests into several Twitter IDs for that very reason.
- Michael Gaines
from twhirl
What are some examples of noise that you are seeing here, Jennifer?
- Alex Scoble
Honestly, Alex, it partly depends on my mood. For a couple weeks there I was having a good time with all of the goofy behavior on here. But as I get busier and busier I just want my feed to be a resource of good content. Not 20 pictures of the same person making a funny face. Or an article about sex or pr0n. I've even left a few rooms for that reason.
- Jennifer Leggio
What I like about FriendFeed overall is the organic information sharing. You see what people do all over the Web as part of their regular tech life. But more and more people appear to be going just for likes or trying to outwit others. It's not natural.
- Jennifer Leggio
At least people comment on and/or like stuff you post here. I'm usually just over here in my dark corner on FF. I'm about to basically kill all everything that Friendfeed aggregates from my "life stream" and just use it to make snarky comments on other people's stuff.
- ax0n
ax0n - Yeah, but are you here to get likes or do you just let it aggregate what you usually do? I'm trying to find a balance between my actions as well as what I allow myself to view.
- Jennifer Leggio
Haven't seen you around, ax0n.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
The noise is far greater here than on Twitter. I know that I'm responsible for generating a lot of noise with my feed. I find something I'm into and just go crazy with it. I like the idea of lists on FF but I never bother with them. My interests are all over the place. I think they could work for others but like you mentioned, everyone's interests are branching out all the time.
- Mark Wilson
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