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Demi Moore

Ok trying out friendfeed....any suggestions?

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try streamy!!! - Alejandra Benevento

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I am trying it to. Hope you will follow me. - Charlotte Frum

Just a request; can you teach me once you've learned, I'm still learning Facebook! I'm good on twitter...lol, love ya DM - Justin Dee

Had the same idea at nearly the exact same time... Great minds... ;o) - bethany

http://friendfeed.com/adrianb... ?? :) - Adrian Burns

I love facebook. Had trouble at first but love it now. The games are fun. - Charlotte Frum

Make a theme in your settings :) FriendFeed is much better than twitter. - Sam Guzman

Yeah! Vote and RT for @BodeSunValley for cutest puppy! :) thanks! http://www.cutestdogcompetition.com/vote... - Lauren Zondag

Well, give it a good go, and you will love the way it all works, compared to twitter, other than that, it may seem a bit of a lot to deal with at first, but there is so many threads of help and advice here, it won't take long to get to grips with ;o) Welcome by the way... leave hubby outside tho lol.. friendfeed may crash! ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

Okay I'm here too! Seems cool, have you dicovered anything new and different? - Tracy Ferry

How are Demi? What are you working on? - Charlotte Frum

Oh, you will see this is way better for conversations. - Sam Guzman

trying it too it beteer then twitter you can see the feeds instead of waiting great thank you mrs moore - antony march

It's like chat. Right? can anyone read it or only people following you,etc.? - Charlotte Frum

Charlotte: Yes, anyone can read it. It's different than chat in that it doesn't dissappear. Conversations are accessible months later and with their own url. Make sense? - Sam Guzman

oh. i like this more! interaction! - Keilah Sanchez

me too, i just join this friendfeed right now! - charlene chua

Oh thanks Sam. That's great! Love it. Hope it catches on. - Charlotte Frum

demi, lets start a secret chain.... i'll say one of mine and you contine. i borrow cleaning gear from my apartment complex & replace before anyone sees :) - Keilah Sanchez

Start following people on here... ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

Uh!!!! Oh nevermind, I just can't...lol - Bill Heslin

Holden, considering it just posted to her twitter account, it seems like it is. - Sam Guzman

Holden.. yeah it is. ;o) hopefully more "ordinary" people join.. lol.. no offence to anyone here... :o) :P Just.. you know what I mean ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

hook up your twitter, facebook, blog sites, whatever. This is so much cleaner and neater. - Kimba Rudd

I'M JUST TRYING FRIENDFEED ITS NICE!?I LIKE IT? - Rosa

This is great Ashton gets me addicted to Twitter and now Demi gets me hooked on this LOL you guys are great <3 to you both - Jessica Williams

Hey Rob, I know what you mean. I wish more people would use FF. Too bad it just got bought by Facebook! - Sam Guzman

like it - antony march

yeah.. 100% right there Holden, and she gets to keep tweets together ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

This site is great ! I love this. This is going to catch on no troubles - Jessica Williams

Demi, Welcome to FF and all the new FF'rs in this thread, Check out http://friendfeed.com/friendf... for some great starter tips. Oh and listen to Holden...He is the God of FF :) - Bill Heslin

Thanks Bill !! checking it out now :) - Jessica Williams

I thought you would like that Holden :) - Bill Heslin

i don't get this? - Tina Haight

what don't you get Tina? - Rob Sellen :o)

What makes me laugh is that everyone is loving friendfeed all of a sudden, when it's been around for like two years, as awesome as ever. No one knew about it though! I really think it could have been a Twitter killer if the right people joined. - Sam Guzman

i'm not sure- it doesn't tell me who is who - Tina Haight

Really this was around 2 years ago? - Jessica Williams

You are right Sam... it WILL be too... if it stays..IF faceache don't drop it that is ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

is demi seeing this right now? i don't get it. lol - Tina Haight

she can see this if she is watching it - Jessica Williams

so it's just like a chat room? - Tina Haight

tina.. what you mean? - Rob Sellen :o)

Sam, I think all the tweets that generated from here about the Facebook buyout is bringing more people in now. Unfortunately as we know, it's a little too late..but we are going to hang in there... :) - Bill Heslin

NO tina.. its like twitter but in REAL time... and threaded.. demi WILL see this.. then go.. WTF?? how did that happen.. ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

so essentially it is a chat room that mated with twitter? - Jessica Williams

Bill... I think it was PART of the plan.. why techcrunch broke it.. and why they sold to faceache.. ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

Or she is watching this right now going WTF?? and laughing - Jessica Williams

This is great i love this lol - Jessica Williams

i just got here 16 min ago i have demi and ashton since that is how i got here through her twitter - Jessica Williams

jessica... Tina... sub to me.. oh.. just saw holden post.. and him ;o) then just ask if ya get lost. ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

Im working on it kk - Jessica Williams

Real time rocks...Oh shit...I can't keep banging the drum! Or can I? LOL sure I can.... - Bill Heslin

how to sub.. hover over our names... use the pop up.. - Rob Sellen :o)

how do i find my friend list - Lynn

ok ok im subin im subin !! - Jessica Williams

now.. click do you ONLY have this post in your home tab?? if so.. you see it as it grows.. i opened this thread in new tab alone.. do that by clicking the TIME stamp under demis pic.. ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

never heard of this, but I am willing to try new things. - Nita Wertz Ernst

lynn.. do you sub to anyone yet? - Rob Sellen :o)

k rob thanks i got it woots i subbed !!! - Jessica Williams

yes several - Lynn

but there is no list like twitter - Lynn

Welcome - Alejandro

Ok folks, the difference between friend feed and a chat room is that a chatroom doesn't aggregate all your social media activity. friendfeed pulls in your activity from a bunch of social media sites, like youtube, facebook, twitter, etc. but also provides the functionality of twitter and a chat room. So basically it's your social media life on steroids. Very powerful. - Sam Guzman

Lynn... on the right hand side.. is your friends... - Rob Sellen :o)

demi?!?! lol - Tina Haight

thanks rob & Holden I'll try that - Lynn

Very cool. If you like PostSecret, you should check out www.SecretRegrets.com. - SecretRegrets

Demi started this great convo and walked away :( lol - Jessica Williams

I'm still new at this but it's growin on me, thanks for all the help - Lynn

piss off with the spam crap.... everyone.. you can BLOCK or hide idiots like secretregrets... ironic.. you will regret the spam.. lol.. NO_ONE will see it.. ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

hmmm - Sparkles

she could be reading and learning like the rest of us - Lynn

jessica... yeah.. but wit till she pops in.. she will go..WTF!!!!! how the hell.. hang on.. why are all these people chatting!!! ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

didn't facebook purchase or absorb friendfeed?? - Mercedes(Chris)Ozcan

in real time...lol.... - Rob Sellen :o)

lol Rob - Jessica Williams

no kidding - Jessica Williams

mercedes.. yes, they did.. two nights ago - Rob Sellen :o)

how do you block or hide spam - Lynn

Jessica.. you can also send replies to the tweets to titter from here... - Rob Sellen :o)

Yup figured that out already thanks :) - Jessica Williams

lynn.. to block him.. CLICK his name.. block ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

Engage other people in conversation. Best advice I can give. - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF) from fftogo

Lynn. You will not find too much Spam on FF - Bill Heslin

That then HIDES all of his comments.. thats WHY this place is SPAM free.. and we would like to KEEP it that way.. so use the block with spammers... they will soon go back to...twitter lol ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

I really wish we could get a bunch of celebs on here and keep friendfeed from disappearing! - Sam Guzman

i'm waiting for her- this is my excitement for the night. hah - Tina Haight

done thanks again this is kinda confusing but fun - Lynn

EVERYONE who follows her who is on here.. should tweet http://bit.ly/8dSsK << that to her ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

What's the difference between this and twitter?? - Annette Baldwin

real time - Jessica Williams

And yea i was really hoping to just say hello to her i hope she pops on soon - Jessica Williams

OOHHH thanks - Annette Baldwin

annete... apples and pips... lol apples being this place ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

sry holden didnt mean to step on ur toes :) - Jessica Williams

yep he gone - Lynn

Im on here now too! - Samantha Scheideler

anyone gonna TWEET that link to her??? - Rob Sellen :o)

welcome Samantha ! - Jessica Williams

Well, this should be interesting... - Michael McKean

http://bit.ly/8dSsK <<< tweet it... - Rob Sellen :o)

Thanks jessica williams - Samantha Scheideler

:) ^5 to u holden - Jessica Williams

Blamedrewscancer.com - pls spread the word - Liza

are there any size limits to the characters typed? - Lynn

Just in time for the big moving sale! Enjoy like there is no tomorrow! - Martha

Rob, so when you post to twitter it auto posts to ff or vice versa - Mercedes(Chris)Ozcan

i have no idea jsut started. i lik this its like twitter but alsso like a chat room in a way. - Samantha Scheideler

lia.. don't treat this place like twitter... drew USES this place, and that word gets spread ;o) now I #blamedrewscancer for you doing that ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

good I hate getting cut off and I'm no good at the new shorthand - Lynn

yes merc.. - Rob Sellen :o)

GREAT - @drew is on here, but I am spreading the word as long as he is not on the thread. I #blamedrewscancer that he is missing this. - Liza

huh? - Tina Haight

rob s and holden !got it thanks - what else is there to know? - Mercedes(Chris)Ozcan

No i havent only Demi Moore. I literally just started this im learning how to use it still. - Samantha Scheideler

I don't believe it is Demi. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

don't believe what is demi? her twitter? - Tina Haight

Robert: it posted to her twitter account.. - Sam Guzman

this is Demi :) - Jessica Williams

lots merc... just have a look around.. you can create list of people here.. import stuff.. click your settings under your name on the top right.. have a PEEK ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

Either Demi is reading the FF beginners group, or she just hasn't figured out how to read FF yet, and doesn't see all this wonderful Real time conversation that can't happen on Twitter..But anyway, back to my regular feed have fun everyone. Any questions...Just ask Holden LOL - Bill Heslin

it is her.... i knowe for a fact - Samantha Scheideler

OK I believe! :-) - Robert Scoble from iPhone

She brought us all here from Twitter - Jessica Williams

and then abandoned us. haha - Tina Haight

ha.. Robert is.. wrong.. (for once he would argue) ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

I know :( but im sure she had a reason i imagine she is a busy woman - Jessica Williams

The biggest user on FF - Sam Guzman

will do! - Mercedes(Chris)Ozcan

lol i know right. just like ashton jsut posted on twitter and i responded to somthing he aid and nothig yet - Samantha Scheideler

Uhm, where is the Friendfeed crew - wish they would chime in since they got the payday. - Liza

Holden... don't tell them that... its Alex... ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

I just had a great dinner in San Antonio - Robert Scoble from iPhone

liza... they are all users here... - Rob Sellen :o)

oops sorry for all the typos i have acrylics on - Samantha Scheideler

What you have then Robert? - Rob Sellen :o)

Demi, the major difference to me is tha FF is more engaging; if you play along. Meaning, don't post something and then not interact with other users. Go back to Twitter if you don't want to make an effort. - Chad Gesser from BuddyFeed

http://bit.ly/8dSsK <<< post that to her on twitter - Rob Sellen :o)

Aww Chad that wasnt nice at all - Jessica Williams

Agreed Jessica...Chad Boo!!!! :) It takes time to get it...give her a chance.. - Bill Heslin

Ya and if she is sitting back watching trying to figure out whens a good time to say something to us all that isnt going to make her want to talk - Jessica Williams

Robert, do you think we can save FF??? - Sam Guzman

Chad - that is wrong - I got that SO many times - you guys never do it to girls - Liza

Welcome! - Stephan Miller

ignore ppl who say go back to Twitter - Liza

Chad.. please don't go down that road.. a few have done it..I have made mistakes here before.. they stick... look at the spammer earlier in this thread.. ;o) CLICK the timestamp under demi's name here and open this thread in its own tab ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

yayy, demi B-) ff is the place for all the action. - Gtp19

liza... lol.. you start using this place, and you won't want to go to twitter so much ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

I am tired of ppl saying go back to Twitter - get over yourself or I will say go back to atari - Liza

Later Holden... - Bill Heslin

yep spammers don't last round here - Lynn

Yes, try Streamy..... - Janet Fouts

I'm leaving too. I hope Demi comes back and sees how fun FF can be. Bye everyone! - Sam Guzman

thanks Holden - Lynn

and to do that use the link in the top bar on this page... email is direct too.. ;o) yeah you can post a DM from your email too.. ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

what is streamy? - Tina Haight

LIZA.. can I have a go on your atari? :P - Rob Sellen :o)

tina.. http://streamy.com ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

sounds dirty, lol - Tina Haight

Rob - you can,but you have not been an ass to me. - Liza

Tina - dirty is fun. - Liza

Geeks will not tell you go to Twitter if you are dirty. - Liza

http://bit.ly/8dSsK << will as MANY of you tweet that to Demi.... :o) get her over here to see it n action... while you are all busy here - Rob Sellen :o)

lol Liza.. thanks... :o) - Rob Sellen :o)

i don't know, rob, my husband and friends make fun of me when i tweet @ celebrities. hhaha - Tina Haight

LOOK at all this thread... how many comments... in less than 45 mins... - Rob Sellen :o)

Everyone makes fun of me, ignore it - Liza

Tina.. we just want to OPEN her eyes.... ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

Greetings new FriendFeed users. Welcome to the playground. - Robert Kenney

WTH, Demi might as well save friendfeed from closing.. bring back demi. - Gtp19

Hey Demi..I just signed up for FriendFeed the other night. Not sure what to think about it either... hmmm - Melisa

so.. who needs people subbing to them???? ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

Robert, I don't either. - Martha

so how do I tweet it to her from here? - Lynn

Its quite funny either way. True or not. - Matt G

go to your home page... post it in the comments.. with your @mrsaplusk too.. click the CC to twitter . post ;o) as long as you have added your twitter username here that is... - Rob Sellen :o)

Beginners can find help here: http://friendfeed.com/friendf... and feel free to ask anyone! - Robert Kenney

I don't know, just gonna feel it out..... - Brenda Erdman Velasquez

done but I had to do it from tweetdeck, I will keep workin on this though - Lynn

Think of it as the place where all of your online stuff goes. You see the stuff, say, that your friends on Twitter are liking on YouTube. You can then talk about it, favorite it, etc. just like you do on Facebook. It's a mashup of all of your Web activity in one place. - Steve Lynch from twhirl

Lynn... you will like it here, you will notice whenever anything gets commented on, or liked, it jumps to the top of the page... - Rob Sellen :o)

The key to FriendFeed is following me. :) - Andrew

She'll never see this but I just have to comment knowing that I interacted with Demi Moore. ;) - Keith - @tsudo

It's amazing that with all of Demi's followers that she doesn't get more people over here. I'm noticing a trend: not many people engage on Tweets. - Robert Scoble

ahh that is why nothing is in the order it was posted in - Lynn

Be sure to add the bookmarklet to your browser. Makes posting to FriendFeed much easier. - Robert Kenney

It's nice to see so many new people joining up; welcome to everyone! I was going to suggest some of you check out the FriendFeed for Beginners group but I see someone else has already done that. Otherwise, the best suggestion I can offer you all is to do a search for some things that interests you and follow the people that posted them. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Subscribe to Holden. - Gus

Robert..I have noticed that on twitter they tend to struggle..... celebs would be in the element on here.. - Rob Sellen :o)

thanks for that Andrew I knew there was a right way to do this haha - Lynn

Well I apologize to those that took offense to my initial comment. That's just my take: show me some substance. Welcome Demi! - Chad Gesser from BuddyFeed

http://bit.ly/8dSsK <<< IF more of you tweeted that to her with @herusername she may take notice... - Rob Sellen :o)

Nice to see her here. Yet in this service, celebrities need to participate on the conversation which is what makes this different than Twitter. - Manuel Mas

It would be deliciously ironic if the buyout that everyone was worried about was the making of FF! - Matt G

Try not to get all caught up in out techno-babble, but a lot of learning here. - professor daddyo

Everyone's new at some point. The more the better. - Robert Kenney

lol.. chad.. the point is.. she probably not come back since posting.. but she will do.. and THEN realise what she missed.. - Rob Sellen :o)

Holden: come now. She has 1.7 million followers. This place should be going absolutely crazy if they were very engaged. - Robert Scoble

Steve: that's what I meant to say! lol - Chad Gesser from BuddyFeed

oh demi- it would make my night if you said something on here to us. :) - Tina Haight

I like old people. - Michael McKean

I agree.. but then, how many actually click her links... not many i bet. - Rob Sellen :o)

hmmm. can't wait here all night, demi! - Tina Haight

Scoble: engage, engage, engage. That to me is the point, which is very attractive about FF. Might I add connection? - Chad Gesser from BuddyFeed

start adding all your other social accounts (if you have any), that's the real kick to friendfeed (at least for me), an all in one feed - Gubatron

welcome chad, we like that much better - Lynn

Well I was hoping she would talk with us. Oh well. - Ben Hanten

Robert Scoble: Most Tweets aren't very... engaging! :) - Steve Lynch from twhirl

anyone watch big brother? - Tina Haight

nope hells kitchen - Lynn

NO.. not that shit bb.. not on here lol - Rob Sellen :o)

oh i love hells kitchen too - Tina Haight

leave big brother on twitter eh... ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

I saw that Rob :) - Mattb4rd

haha! but it's such a great show. and i am still excited about tonight's show. ;) - Tina Haight

welcome. where is ashton? :P - Oğuz Serdar

we don't need bb crap here .. I get away from tv and twitter to escape it!!! - Rob Sellen :o)

Demi just posted to twitter I tried to tell her we were all waiting for her but... - Lynn

we don't need ashton either ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

getting a little testie arent we - Lynn

Ashton is here http://friendfeed.com/theateam - Matt G

I think they come as a set - Lynn

lol - Lynn

no... I am just sayng.. both in one night would crash the place lol... if they started using it that is... - Rob Sellen :o)

Ashton was on the Dan Patrick Show today and was hilarious. Gained a bunch of new respect for him. - Ben Hanten

They could not crash FF....FF FTW.... - Bill Heslin

haha they do generate a bit of traffic - Lynn

Ashton's FF account is a twitter dump...no engagement...Damn..I got sucked back into this conversation again...lol - Bill Heslin

I didn't like the way he did things at twitter at all... told him as much too.. - Rob Sellen :o)

i'm not gonna lie- i'm a pretty big deal too. - Tina Haight

ok i'm lying. - Tina Haight

ark at you tina... ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

;) i DO have 88 followers on twitter. on my way to the million mark - Tina Haight

wow.. :o) doing good... follow that many on here tonight and see what the power of this place is like ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

I never had heard of it before but I'm trying now. Is it fairly new? - Barry Winters from iPhone

lol - Lynn

barry.. no... not so new..as much as sold..lol ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

suggestions? Yeah start chatting back while you still just have 175 subscribers :D - BairdWilliamson

Welcome to all the new visitors. Barry, this is about 18 months old, but lots of new features were turned on recently. - Robert Scoble

alright- i am giving up hope on demi coming. have been staring at a computer screen all day and night for work. - Tina Haight

night everyone! - Tina Haight

night nice chatting - Lynn

What?! The Scobelizer is a doubter as well? Tack it on to the list... - iamkhayyam

Yeah, welcome to all... :o) any problems you only have to ask..ask ANYONE lol ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

I'm not a doubter anymore! :-) - Robert Scoble

nice meeting you tina.. night. :o) - Rob Sellen :o)

Haha! There you go... she's Verified :) - iamkhayyam

make a group, add all your favorite sites. - Tyson

What do you mean, Demi, "any suggestions?" What are you looking for? And why aren't you engaging, er, talking with us here? - Robert Scoble

lmao..... good one robert.. shame she missed it happen in real time lol :o) - Rob Sellen :o)

lol - Gtp19

Hi Demi.You're a little late to the party. We are all worried they are going to shut us out of this nice little cozy club called Friendfeed and lead us back to the shark-infested waters of Facebook. We are still makin' hay while the sun shines. :-) - Karma Martell

Well, if she's turned off real-time she might not even be seeing the comments yet, Robert. Or perhaps she made the post and left for dinner (west coast and all) and will check back later. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

...cool! welcome to FF. did you beat Ashton here? - .LAG liked that

this is like a really really private party with only 198 following on friendfeed...Demi leave the party already? - Rex Gradeless

This is just too cool. - Sherrie Belken

http://bit.ly/8dSsK << RT that in reply to her... see if she gets to see it at least ONE bloody time lol... - Rob Sellen :o)

It seems she doesn't care the comments. - Oğuz Serdar

perhaps just not aware they are here ... - Tom Horn

Engaging?! Seriously Scoble? Haha... that's a funny one. One msg on FriendFeed and then she's off for some Kabbalah teachings. - iamkhayyam

probably Demi doesn like to be part of comments, rather she likes to make the headlines, i mean the posts, lol :D - Gtp19

+1 Robert - Robert Kenney

ok gettin mean now gotta go - Lynn

LoL Hi Demi... Welcome to the FF Mob! Now go and spread some hate </extremesarcasm> - teh Dork Knight aka Kenny

Lynn: see ya, sorry about the meanness. But it would be nice to see Demi actually chat for a few minutes so she could get a sense of the power of friendfeed. - Robert Scoble

Demi: I see you're here. And welcome to all the new people on FriendFeed. I'd like to see you (and Ashton) take part in the conversations here. ;) - Dennis Jernberg

aggreed but bein mean isn't gonna make it happen - Lynn

Hahah! ++1000 tehKenny - Bill Heslin

Maybe she is too awestruck at the magnificence of friendfeed to type. I am imagining her sitting there frozen with her mouth hanging open watching all of this going on. - April Russo (app103)

yes, we would love to have Demi here.. long live friendfeed... i mean until its shut down!! - Gtp19

Well, you're about to get a billion responses of course, but you should hook up feeds from other sites you use too, not just Twitter. Maybe a YouTube channel too? Or Flickr? - Ciaoenrico

while wondering why twitter just..sits there lol - Rob Sellen :o)

#love #love #love #love #love #love #love #love #love #love #love #love #love #love #love - iconic88

April: That makes sense - Matt G

Welcome indeed. You should add more of your feeds to your FF account - Vinko

sub to some of the others here in this thread.. you all get to learn this place together then... - Rob Sellen :o)

Maybe she's thinking how on earth she's meant to keep up with the comments, posting from her blackberry/iphone/othermobiledevice :P - 1x29

@April That could be it. FF in Helvetica mode is hypnotic ... - Tom Horn

Thanks for that @iconic88 :) Always a good reminder... #love is all there is :) - iamkhayyam

Welcome to FF! - Jack Wilson, K4SAC

lol @ Tom - Gtp19

Thank you iconic88 - Sherrie Belken

FF in any mode is hypnotic. I haven't been able to pull myself away for many months. - April Russo (app103)

OK, predictions on how many comments this post will top out at? I'm going for 2,000. - 1x29

Hmm .. no , I think we are done. This is probably the last one ... - Tom Horn

Now everyone isl just staring waiting for Demi to comment :p - Gary Gannon

More points if you guess the number of posts before Demi makes a comment :) - 1x29

lol - Sherrie Belken

nah...plenty more will come later when everyone else sees it in best of day. - April Russo (app103)

and if she happens to engage it'll explode - Gary Gannon

yeah, its jus warming up... plenty more to come. - Gtp19

http://bit.ly/8dSsK << could tweet her that link.. its this THREAD .. ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

Demi this is my first time trying this after you. What is the difference between this and twitter? How did u find this?....Kim Goedde - Kim Goedde

Kim: Look through the thread. There's lots of advice. - Christopher A Carr

Kim, Demi hasn't been back on the thread to respond yet. I can't speak for her, but for me the biggest difference between FF and Twitter is the organization. If you send out a tweet you have to watch for @replies in response to that tweet, and they're kind of easy to miss. On FF when you make a post, all the replies to it are lined up underneath and it's much easier to follow (and take part) in the conversation. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Tina...You are one of the best Ambassadors for FF..Well said - Bill Heslin

That's the whole deal Tina - Sherrie Belken

Well, that's a big part of it Sherrie. The inclusion of media is another big selling point (for me, at least). Here people can include images, files, audio, or video on their posts and I can see/hear it here. On Twitter there's always a clickthrough, an extra tab or window, etc... Perhaps I'm lazy, but I like being able to interact with it all in one spot =) - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Demi-are you getting paid to promote these sites? I have posted comments now and again and have never got 1 response from you......Kim Goedde - Kim Goedde

Yes, I see posts that include the pics from my twitter account. Very cool. - Sherrie Belken

PJ WRONG.. whatever Scoble says is the right thing for HIM to do... and it may work for you, or not.. just use the place and find you own rhythm here. :o) - Rob Sellen :o)

Kim... why does THAT bother you.... do you think you could repsond to all those 1.7 million odd? THAT is why we are trying to say to her here... you should see this thread.. but she hasn't yet been back it seems... NO-ONE owes you a reply.. we learn that the hard way ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

250+ subscribers and counting. I'm holding off for now, even if all the rest of the geeks are subscribing. Not following her on Twitter. Demi, you'd better give me a good reason to subscribe. *switches to wait & see mode* - Dennis Jernberg

Robert:Same thing here as on Twitter. Only a "handful" of "followers/subscribers" engage. - Dana Fosburgh

My one suggestion to you, since FriendFeed will probably be a high traffic place for you - check out Robert Scoble (scobleizer) and see how he handles high volume. - John E. Bredehoft from fftogo

i like this so far.. - wendy smith

A good suggestion - Sherrie Belken

Learn from the master. ;) - Dennis Jernberg

'Crickets' - Robert Kenney

sheesh... her subs are crap... subbing mainly to people who never use the place??? - Rob Sellen :o)

That was just imported - Sherrie Belken

Yeah. When you join FF, it imports your Twitter follows. That's why I have over 120 subscriptions when I have only 75 subscribers: people on Twitter join, and I subscribe to them automagically. - Dennis Jernberg

was also useless lol ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

Hey Demi, welcome to Friend Feed. Hope all is well with you and those you love. Think about adding Robert Scoble to your Friend Feed list. He is the leading expert on all things Friend Feed, and usually is the first to give us heads up when something new is coming down the pike. Take care of you! =) - SashaKane

If you use Firefox, download Yoono --a Firefox add-on that allows you to see Twitter, Facebook, Friendfeed in Firefox, and gives a central place where all can be updated simultaneously. - Danny Groveman

thats what I wanted - Sherrie Belken

Can be overwhelmed by Scobles feed at times..not ideal for a new user.. - Rob Sellen :o)

Hi. Welcome to FriendFeed. - Steven Perez

DYDMoore than steve perez. :o) - Rob Sellen :o)

Welcome to FriendFeed, Demi! I will definitely be sure to subscribe to you here! - Thomas Ward

comment, like, share! - Sean Oliver

+1 Sean ...that's really FF in a nuthsell! - .LAG liked that

never take it too seriously, always keep a sense of humor with FriendFeed - sofarsoShawn

started using friendfeed recently. i love the imaginary friends feature - Patricio Rocha

*waves Link FF with Tumblr ...I love pictures in my feeds. PEACE! - Rich Weaver

Hi!! :) - Susan Beebe from iPhone

This is post is why FriendFeed had to sell their goods Facebook. I am now convinced. Geek mob rule. - Alex C. Williams

Hello Demi ❤ Glad to see you here! - Jannifer @wordsforliving

I honestly only use FF to compile all my sites, almost never for discussions - Allison Warnock

what a strange turn of events considering the situation at hand..a bit late. but better late than never i guess. Welcome to all the new users. - Carlos Ayala

Glad to see you are here Demi, It's a pleasure. - Sherrie Belken

Suggestions... Well, stop being cool about it and write something!.. - Timsah memet

just play around D and you'll figure it out - Thomas Power

She still not been back then?? - Rob Sellen :o)

ok, i'm trying it too. just hope she doesn't try jumping off a bridge or i'm screwed - Laurel howard

I' m new and trying this too. I see your comments from Twitter on this thing too, are they linked?-confused : ( - Rose

Glad to have you both join us, Laurel and Rose =) Rose, Demi is importing her Twitter stream into FriendFeed, that's why you see her Twitter items here. When you comment on one of her Twitter items here, there's a checkbox that will allow you to send that comment to her on Twitter as an @reply. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

its like when kawasaki popped in for a single conversation last month. must be hard to deal whe you get so many replies - Robert Higgins

So many replies that aren't very welcoming don't help matters either. - pea

In reality all we've gained by Demi Moore's brief appearance is a number of celebrity stalkers hoping to cut her off at one more cyber pass and get the one reply they're living their lives for. The best demonstration yet of Scobles 'who you follow, defines you'? - 1x29

demi! we love you. just showed my daughters your 1986 classic movie about last night. they fell in love with you as i did! - JNez

Has Scoble ever had 385 comments here? What's the record? ;O - Rob Schieber

Nope: http://friendfeed.com/mikenay... Open at your peril. - Steven Perez from IM

Yes, Scoble has had 385 comments on FF. His post just this week re: FF geeks got over 1200. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Start by subbing to the peeps who comment on this thread. - Thom Kennon

Scoble has a thread from this week re FF addicts that i think has 1500 comments and counting. - Thom Kennon

yeah @Robert Higgins, Kawasaki kindasorta just disappeared pretty quickly didn't he?... - Thom Kennon

a few said he would tho... no surprise to see them ignoring the threads... daft really, why bother even starting one.... - Rob Sellen :o)

Like, share, follow and be merry. Welcome. - Jim Goldstein from iPhone

FF can be fun, emotional, crazy, and always entertaining. Just speak up when you see something interesting. Like Twitter, but more rounded. And don't mind the doom and gloom chatter that wanders around... some folks just don't handle change well. :D Welcome... - Bette Cooper

I've had lots of threads more than 385. Here's a list: http://friendfeed.com/search... -- this is why the search here rocks. Click on "Advanced Search" and you can find answers to all these kinds of questions. - Robert Scoble

Why can't you like a comment on FF? I hereby like that comment. - Amy℠

we say +1 amy ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

i dont get this - Lin Hill

bye - Lin Hill

bye - Daniel J. Pritchett

Do you have any specific questions, Lin? - Christopher A Carr

i dont know how to do this - Lin Hill

You can sort of think of it as Twitter + a searchable, multimedia chatroom, that aggregates your web activity. You can have FF pull in your Youtube favorites, Amazon wish list, etc... - Christopher A Carr

oh right.. maybe i should try again 2morrow when i havent had a drink, cause i dont get that at all - Lin Hill

Try the friendfeed bookmarklet: http://friendfeed.com/share... - There's a short video tutorial. - Christopher A Carr

ok thanks, i will try that - Lin Hill

Lin, what exactly would you like to do on FriendFeed? Are you just wanting to aggregate your items from around the internet, have conversations with other people, etc? There are lots of different ways to use FriendFeed depending on what you'd like to get out of it =) - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Interesting to see what this thread has become, especially since Demi Moore has not checked back into FriendFeed since posting this. - Justin Korn

ummm not sure what i want, think maybe i should leave quietly by back door - Lin Hill

Lin: How do you use Twitter? - Christopher A Carr

just follow people and comment now and then, thats all - Lin Hill

Lin: I ask, because you are essentially tweeting with multiple people right now, without having to use @... - Christopher A Carr

FF has *really* good search. Look for content that interests you. Comment and like, and people will subscribe to you... - Christopher A Carr

Nah, leaving's not necessary Lin. Especially if you've had a drink: Friday nights on FriendFeed can be fun! If you'd like to see what FriendFeed looks like to be, check http://friendfeed.com/isthiss... That page is what FriendFeed looks like to me because of the people I follow (which is a lot, so you might want to pause it). I use FF to have fun and find good conversations. Other people use it for research, or business, or just to aggregate their material online. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

well, this is the most i`ve been tweeted to since i started, i dont feel invisible anymore! - Lin Hill

Don't just import your Twitter like that ditz, Kim Kardashion. But do import what you feel and read and participate in posts. The key thing is participation on here from teaching something to learning something. -

whos kim k - Lin Hill

Taking a look at your profile, I see that you're only following 12 people and not really commenting/liking all that much. That's probably why you're not getting a lot of interaction. Find some people that are interesting and interact with them on their posts. Once you start having conversations with people on their material, they get interested in what you have to say and are more likely to follow you back. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Imagine if Twitter included video and pictures in Tweets, and provided you with a threaded conversation to discuss your tweets... well, that's what you have here -- and that's just the beginning. - Christopher A Carr

i didnt realise i even had 12, where did you find that out? - Lin Hill

Has Demi checked back with us yet?? It will never be too late. - Amani

Click on your name in the upper right hand corner, Lin. - Christopher A Carr

it sounds good, i will keep at it 'practise makes perfect' and all that - Lin Hill

That's exactly it, Lin =) Let us know if you have any other questions: it can be kind of confusing when you first get going... - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

And can you imagine people helping you like this on Twitter? ;-) - Christopher A Carr

Oh, and try out different themes.. - Christopher A Carr

half the people i`m subscribed too i didnt even choose!! whats that about?? - Lin Hill

Never drink and FriendFeed at the same time -

i didnt subscribe to red nose day!! - Lin Hill

Do you follow them on Twitter? - Christopher A Carr

not all of them, just a few - Lin Hill

Did you sign up to FriendFeed with your Twitter credentials, Lin? If so, it will subscribe you to the people you follow on Twitter that are on Friendfeed. It's not a big deal, really: all you do is hover over their name and click 'unsubscribe' if you don't want them. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

ok, thanks everyone, i`ll subscribe to all of you instead - Lin Hill

FriendFeed Rocks ;) No need for anything else! Happy to have you on board! - Nia from fftogo

This one post may beat the longest post by Robert Scoble -

You kidding. The record is well beyond 1,500 comments.... - Roberto Bonini from iPhone

7k if I recall. wait! why am I commenting on this? .p - 'Like' robot (frɐnc)

خانم دمی مور استریپ تیز دو رو کی بازی میکنید ؟؟ - مـــــــــمد

Haha. Funny Franc. Thats what I thought when I wrote my comment ... - Roberto Bonini from iPhone

I doubt she'll participate in this post now - Mac Sharp

Welcome! - Andrea Contino

friendfeed is now part of facebook :) - gareth【ツ】

Welcome, where is Ashton xD? - Francisco Espinoza from BuddyFeed

FriendFeed has gone mainstream :o - Nicholas James

@Nicholas And soon, Friendfeed will go offline! - Ethan

Hutch Carpenter

Web 2.0 Is Dead — As A Common Phrase Anyway - http://blog.strategicheading.com/2009...

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"The change has been occurring slowly over the last year or so, with the phrase Web 2.0 hitting its peak among Forrester’s clients in Q2 2008, and falling off from there. From my point of view Tim O’Reilly and John Battelle’s effort to evolve the phrase into “Web Squared” is effort well spent; Web 2.0 had been getting stale and had lost its cachet." - Hutch Carpenter from Bookmarklet

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Web squared is dumb too. Marketing should focus on consumers, and stop trying to market to the development/IT community. - Cristo

I'm with you on that Cristo. "Web squared" is a confusing term. - Hutch Carpenter

What will consumers use if developers don't make stuff and inventors don't make new stuff for developers and if inventors don't eventually think about consumers? It's not a zero sum game of attention. - Todd Hoff

I don't remember saying that developers and inventors shouldn't make stuff. Most people I know in the industry don't need new buzz words to create innovative products and services. Those that do aren't really the people I'd want to work with. The buzz words are for selling blogs and conferences. There are already plenty of those. - Cristo

Web squared? nah. - Gus

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73 Ways to Become a Better Writer - http://www.copyblogger.com/better-...

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Massive Compilation of Designer Tools | Webdesigner Depot - http://www.webdesignerdepot.com/2009...

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Gmail Offers to Automatically Unsubscribe You from Mailing Lists - Gmail Auto-Unsubscribe - Lifehacker (via @afrowhitey) - http://lifehacker.com/5319723...

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Now that's a feature. - Stephan Miller from fftogo

Like one commenter on that Lifehacker post pointed out, Hotmail has offered this feature for quite some time: http://windowslive.com/Connect.... Just sayin'. - Mahendra (SkepticGeek)

ooo yes thats something i like and i never knew that Hotmail had this for a while. looks like i've been neglecting my Hotmail ever since i got on Gmail :) - Bhowmik Shah

BEX

Atheists choose 'de-baptism' to renounce childhood faith - USATODAY.com - http://www.usatoday.com/news...

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that just seems silly - especially if you don't believe anyway - BEX from Bookmarklet

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that is disgusting. - Jason Wyttenbach

Exactly, and it's kind of insulting the people who do believe in it. What's funny is that Atheists are always saying that they get insulted when overly religious people put religion all in their face. Nice way to return the favor (rolling my eyes) - Shevonne

Do i get to be dunked into a vat of beer cause if then, I might be willing. - CW™

Sort of stupid. So they are performing a superstitious ritual because they don't believe in superstitious rituals? - Kamath (नमः)

How wonderfully idiotic and well, unsurprising in some circles. - Admiral Anika

I know many atheists. I'm an atheist. But I largely keep that to myself. You can believe whatever you want to believe as long as you don't force me to believe it too. I don't know anyone who'd want to go through this pointless de-baptism ceremony. But I disagree with you, Shevonne, that this is in your face. They aren't trying to get you to participate. And it seems like it has value to... more... - Stephen Mack

I meant that they get offended if religious people throw religion in their face, so why do something just as insulting? - Shevonne

Just a fun fact: Christianity categorizes baptism as an indelible sacrament. Nothing can remove it, not even death So no one would think this ritual has any effect whatsoever. Seems kind of counter-intuitive for people who mock empty ritual to go through with it. - Alex Scrivener

Atheists can be just as petty and short-sighted as anyone else. But if this is done privately and has value to the participant, so what? Stupid things people do in private ceremonies shouldn't be considered insulting to people who aren't there, right? - Stephen Mack

Insults are insults even when they're behind the target's back, right? - Andrew C

It's not an insult if it's not about anyone else. - Stephen Mack

Kinda pointless. And it's a bit of a slap in the face to religious people. - Jason Huebel

Serious question: If I'm a vegetarian, and you're a meat-eater, do any of you consider that an insult too? - Stephen Mack

Stay classy. - Derrick

@Stephen, that's not really the same thing, though. In this case, atheists are adopting a practice from Christianity and negating its meaning. It's meant to be provocative. At least, in the context of making the practice public in this article. That said, it doesn't really bother me. If an atheist wants to renounce their former faith by de-baptism, let them. - Jason Huebel

I was a Methodist until the age of 16 but managed to inadvertently avoid a baptism. - Daniel J. Pritchett

Jason, I actually agree with you, word for word. - Stephen Mack

Why go through a renouncement framed in religious terms if you're trying to deny religion? It's like saying you want to quit smoking and to do so you start smoking only candy cigarettes. - Kevin Fox

As far as I know, baptism was begun by the Jews. If this insults anyone it ought to be them. Still, only if it's being done as mockery should anyone feel insulted. - Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)

I guess the reason they do it is they see the whole baptism ceremony as a pointless ritual that is symbolic of indoctrination into a belief system. This would be a way of 'washing away' that indoctrination. I'm not offended in the least. They are not insulting the act of baptism because for them, baptism doesn't mean the same thing. - Johnny Worthington

I think one aspect of this that people are forgetting is that typically, atheists have not formed communities around the very notion of their non-theistic feelings. Ceremonies like this are not rituals in a superstitious sense, but rather a form of symbolism in the framework of a supportive group. just because someone is an atheist it doesn't mean that they don't see meaning in anything. - G. Sigh from iPhone

That's really just sad. - EricaJoy

I think the crux of the matter is this: You're going to be offended only if you allow yourself to be offended. Is there anything you can do to stop the practice? Are atheists /really/ hurting anyone by de-baptizing themselves (putting aside religious beliefs)? So why get bent out of shape over it? If they're wrong, then they'll have to answer for their actions later. If they aren't, then it's a moot point anyway. You're just causing yourself undue grief by worrying yourself over it. - Jason Huebel

Jason agreed. But it's annoying. I have no cause to be offended personally as I am not even Christian - just annoys me and offends my logic engine. It's just idiotic and shows lack of respect. - Kamath (नमः)

I guess by that definition, it is just as disrespectful when people convert from one religion to another, no? Does it make it that different if they are renouncing one religion in the name of no religion? (Or a non-theistic one?) - G. Sigh

George: You could argue that just by _being_ one religion, you are disrespecting all other religions. You don't even need to make a switch. - Brian Johns

It's just ironic that people who think religious ceremonies are meaningless spectacle go ahead and perform a ceremony that appears from the outside to also be meaningless spectacle. And if you're going to argue that, no, there is meaning and utility in it after all, then why can't religious ceremonies be just as meaningful and useful? - Victor Ganata

"You're going to be offended only if you allow yourself to be offended. " Isn't that true of any insult, though? - Andrew C

Obviously, this is blatant mockery. They wouldn't be doing these baptisms in the first place if it wasn't a religious ceremony to begin with. - Andru Edwards

I guess I don't see this as mockery, but an honest attempt to shed something they don't want to be attached to. Some people need ceremony for those things, even if they don't feel that an immeasurable force blesses that ceremony. If it makes them feel better, then I'm all for it. What they believe, or don't, doesn't impact my own faith at all. - Jennifer Dittrich

@Brian: Sure, you're just highlighting the inherent rifts between people of various faiths (or lack thereof). But people are "upset" about this specific "deconversion" because it is a visible act that isn't compatible with their belief system. People don't know what religion you are without an indicating action or obvious visual cue (dress). Anyway, I think that atheists, as a group,... more... - G. Sigh

Hmm. I didn't really believe this to be mockery, until I got to the part where the 'priest' drys the participant with a hair dryer marked "Reason." Yeah, that's mockery. That said, even atheists sometimes require ritual to leave a part of their lives behind. Rituals have value beyond the supernatural. Just, dare I say it, not this one. - The Letter M

George, you're right that an atheist has no chance of being elected, but I don't think atheists are particularly persecuted. - Stephen Mack

Atheists also cannot use many adoption agencies, or adopt from many counties. Being an atheist gets you treated differently than you can understand if you're not. Finding work can also be hard, especially if you live in a conservative state. - Andrizzle Gizzle

Wow. Guess I haven't seen it all yet... - Joel Robert Perez

Andrea, I don't mean to say atheists face zero persecution. But compared to what, say, Jews or Hindus or Christians or practitioners of Islam have faced? - Stephen Mack

Stephen, in some circles atheists garner very little respect, and "coming out" as an atheist is often not a prudent action, particularly with regard to family life. For example, I come from a pretty traditional culture where everyone is expected to be Catholic. One challenge is that I am not going to be married in a church, nor will I be baptizing my children. (If my children want to... more... - G. Sigh

I'm chiming in to say my thoughts echo those of Kamath (नमः) "Sort of stupid. So they are performing a superstitious ritual because they don't believe in superstitious rituals?" And "I have no cause to be offended personally as I am not even Christian - just annoys me and offends my logic engine. It's just idiotic and shows lack of respect." - BEX

Also, I'll admit that as far as "persecution" is concerned, historically, you're right, Stephen, in that other religious groups have experienced much more significant negativity, especially when pitted against each other. The plight of modern atheists (again, who largely keep to themselves) is generally not as serious, but I expect that if as a group they were to "come out" in droves (in this country), there would be a very significant movement against them. - G. Sigh

Whether it's disrespectful or silly, I think depends largely on the intent. If the participants are seeking psychological benefit, it doesn't seem out of place to me. If their intent is to go "nyah nyah" at their former religion, it does seems strange and counterproductive. - Alix Whitmire

Maybe I'm naive, but I do see the atheist population increasing (see http://www.usatoday.com/news... for example), and I don't see a tremendous backlash (yet?). But as Andrea detailed, our society is far from perfect. I stand by my previous statement that many religions face much more serious persecution than atheists. On the other hand, if... more... - Stephen Mack

If atheists perform rituals and ceremonies for psychological benefit, why do they mock religious people for doing the same thing? The more I hear from hard-core atheists, the more it sounds just like another religion. - Victor Ganata

They mock because those rituals are in the name of something they consider absurd (to be frank). That said, most atheists do NOT do anything like this. What's being described in the article is essentially a form of "initiation" into a club, like any other. However, a religion it is not: they do not have a common set of precepts by which they are leading their [non-]spiritual lives. - G. Sigh

Victor, exactly NONE of the atheists posting in this thread (whether hardcore or not) have expressed much if any support for this anti-baptism. And as an atheist, I do my best to never mock any other religious person. No other atheist speaks for me. - Stephen Mack

I'm a pluralist: I want to build bridges[between people of different faiths], not burn them. I deem this de-baptism as something that works against that, as it reinforces a division. - G. Sigh

I'm not trying to pick a fight with anyone here, and maybe I'm just misinterpreting things. But it seems that a lot of atheists make the assertion that they're more rational than people who believe in things that can't be proven to exist. But that assertion itself is an article of faith. To me, the staunch, unbreakable non-belief in something that can't be proven to exist isn't really any more rational. And isn't that the thing that unites every atheist? You have to believe that there is no God, don't you? - Victor Ganata

I think this is retarded. If you don't believe in G-d and religion, but some stupid anti-baptism ritual makes you feel better about yourself, you obviously need to think a little harder about what you believe. - Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah

Victor, there's a wide range of atheists. Atheist literally just means "without God." You're describing the so-called "strong atheist" who takes an active belief that there is not a god. Many atheists (including me) are so-called "weak atheists" who simply do not have faith that there is a god. (This is probably a gross oversimplification.) Perhaps I'm more of an agnostic, but to me... more... - Stephen Mack

You don't have to believe there is no God. You just don't believe there is a God. (Sort of like you can't not be on boat.) - m9m, Crone of FriendFeed

Heh, I wonder how many people here will stop following me or commenting on my stuff now that they know I'm an atheist. - Stephen Mack

@Stephen, I won't. As long as you don't belittle by beliefs, then we're cool. - Jason Huebel

+1 Lindsey. This all just strikes me as odd. - Jason Huebel

Lindsey, I think it's just admitting that religion has power. - Alix Whitmire

No one can deny that religion has enormous power. - Stephen Mack

Atheism isn't a faith, but it certainly is a religion, flush with priests, sins, their own book, their own guilt, and their own devil. - Matthew DeVries

Agreed Matthew! - Carlton Hackett

I just think it's funny that even atheists have their fundamentalists and their moderates. But I'm not trying to mock anyone's belief or disbelief. As someone who has been struggling with my spiritual beliefs for a while, I'm just always wary about anyone who is blithely certain about things that can't be proven or disproven. I'm not talking about anyone commenting on this thread, but there are definitely people on both sides of the aisle whose fundamentalism is disturbing. - Victor Ganata

they should do it in reverse. Go into the pool soaking wet and come out dry. - Joshua Schnell

Matthew, tell me more. Who are the priests of atheism? What's the book? Who's the devil? - Stephen Mack

Man needs religion. Even in non-religion, religion evolves. - Matthew DeVries

What if there was a jewish man that wanted to be un-circumcised? - Will Higgins™

Stephen, I'm full of shit and there's no basis at all in anything I just said. LOL - Matthew DeVries

Will, they have.....apparatuses for that. - Matthew DeVries

Joshua - the actual de-baptising ceremony is performed with a hair dryer, not a pool. - Andrew C

Will H., uncircumcision has a long history: http://www.cirp.org/library... - Stephen Mack

This is why I don't associate myself with atheism anymore than any religious group. A lot of what goes on under the banner of Atheism sounds an awful lot like religious nuttery. - Geoff Schultz

If this is insulting to religious people, isn't baptism insulting to the non-religious. Actually, to everyone who isn't Christian? What's the harm if they do it for themselves, in private, with no expectation to affect anyone else? I'm guessing you haven't seen http://farm1.static.flickr.com/173... - Heather

It's not the same, Heather. Religions baptisms don't take a ritual from the atheists and undo it. I see this as the equivalent of displaying a cross upside-down. I really don't understand this need to have a ritual, especially if you don't have a religion telling you how to conduct your life. - MiniMage TKDteacher of FF

But of course they are undoing a ritual - that's the point! They're not making fun of anyone's religion, they are symbolically letting go of their old beliefs (or perhaps the religion that was never their own by choice, but settled on them by their families.) - m9m, Crone of FriendFeed

For not believing, there is certainly a lot of time and energy involved. Non-practicing believers have more free time. ;) - R1CC1

I was baptized when I was a baby, I had no choice in it. In the churches eyes, it's something that never goes away. So what does that mean for me, as an atheist? Baptism is a symbol, de-baptising is another, opposite, symbol. It's not taking away from anyone other then the person it's being done to. - Heather

For everyone saying that they are not doing this to insult religion. Read the article. "In a type of mock ceremony that's now been performed in at least four states, a robed "priest" used a hairdryer marked "reason" in an apparent bid to blow away the waters of baptism once and for all. Several dozen participants then fed on a "de-sacrament" (crackers with peanut butter) and received... more... - Shevonne

I'm not religious, and I question many things. However, I am someone who does believe in treating others with respect, even if you don't believe in what they believe in. Just cause they do something to you, doesn't mean you have to lower to their standards, or even worse - Shevonne

What's the point of 'de-baptism' if you never believed in it anyway? - Tomy Thomson

Yeah. I've head of this kind of thing before. It's dumb. Really. Atheist here (in case someone missed the hundred other times I mentioned it). - Kamilah Gill

is it better the second time? - Andy Sternberg

That sounds like fun! *ducks and hides* Actually, don't most popular comedians mock things? Isn't SNL all about mocking celebrities, politics and society? I'm pretty sure The Daily Show, The Colbert Report, and other such shows do the same thing. Maybe it is over the top, but how is it actually hurting anyone? Hurt feeling don't count in my book, because it's not fair to count only the hurt feelings of Christians and never the hurt feelings of atheists. - Heather

Not all atheists swing this way. Definitely. We just have our lunatic fringe. - Kamilah Gill

At least circumcision has health benefits. - Geoff Schultz

I think this is pretty funny. Sounds more like a party than a ritual. It's not like they're going door-to-door saying that you'll burn for eternity for not believing what they believe. - Rob Haas

Heh, most health insurances consider the health benefits of circumcision minimal, and won't actually cover it. They consider it a cosmetic procedure. - Victor Ganata

Silly but harmless, I'd say, much like the "Blasphemy Challenge" or "selling your soul" on eBay. As for respecting the beliefs of others, I don't. I may respect people, but beliefs and opinions are never something I'll simply respect. If you act respectably, then I won't tease you about your belief in alien abductions, 9/11 conspiracy stuff, unicorns, faeries, Xenu, "God" or whatever.... more... - James (!?)

in baptism you go down in the water and then come back up, symbolizing (in the Christian faith), death with (and living with or in) Christ. Interestingly, Christians were not the only ones to practice baptism. Other religions and ritualistic organizations have done it. There is, realistically, no way to reverse this, except perhaps by going down in the water and NOT coming back up. The... more... - Gary Smith

RTA. Atheist "de-baptism" uses a hair-dryer and that pic is a stock photo of a baptism. - Rob Haas

Robert: Ah. So it's "what a baptism might look like"? :-) - Gary Smith

Dave- I would buy it if I thought you had one. ;) - Heather

I do hate to say this: If it means that much to them, Ss practically a Belief, Taking themselves Waaay two seriously, Their real meaning should just happy to be themselves and not go bugging anyone about it. Dudes Chill don't be so formal with ideas - relax let them flow and help you build up your Own Character. Dam might Ss well joing a Church Dudes - ThatDBD

so how did we get started on penises? LOL - BEX

religion and penises go hand in hand, wait... - sean percival

LMAO I hadn't even thought that it could be taken that way. Which one of us gets blamed for the dirty mind? And ThatDBD, why can't we hang out with other atheists and do silly things like religious people do? I think being atheist shouldn't preclude me from socializing and having fun. - Heather

To me, this seems a little too mean-spirited to be "fun". I'm all for Flying Spaghetti Monsters and so on, but this is a direct hit against a particular faith, and that goes a bit far for me. Doesn't help endear us to anyone (for those of us who care to be embraced by the general public at least a *little* bit). - Kamilah Gill

Well, while I don't think too much of this ceremony, I don't fault them for a "direct hit against a particular faith", because it *was* their faith, and it remains meaningful for them to move away from it. Ultimately they're entitled to do what they want. If religious people are confident in their own faith (and believe in freedom of religion), they shouldn't care one way or another about a ceremony like this. - G. Sigh

((((Kamilah)))) embracing Kamilah - BEX

My summary (of this important discussion; at least to me) ~ A baptist has a positive disposition toward baptism. An a-baptist has a negative disposition toward it and believes the subverting of baptism is a net good. Finally, an agno-baptist holds a neutral position toward the both, but may take a negative stance on *public* displays of cooped rituals with a passive aggressive tone. - Micah Wittman

There are 2 extremes of atheists in this world: 1. People who just simply don't believe in any god and that is it. Their disbelief is the same as anyone else's disbelief in anything, such as the Tooth Fairy, Bigfoot, the Loch Ness monster, the abominable snowman, space aliens & ufo's. Just like you don't find a need to bring up the subject repeatedly and preach your disbelief in any of... more... - April Russo (app103)

I don't see why anybody's getting their panties in a bunch over this. I think it's a reasonable idea. People don't need gods to ceremonially mark occasions, but symbolism has an impact on the way that people think and feel. The symbolism of the baptism ceremony, while obviously meaningless when taken at face value by an atheist, has social and personal significance. A de-baptism is one... more... - Lucas Parker

Agreed with Lucas. Being atheist doesn't mean being not believing in symbolic acts. After all, birthday cakes and raising a flag are symbolic. Getting yourself de-baptized at a private party which no one would ever know about except for a USA Today article is not necessarily meant to be mean-spirited or offensive, either. - Rob Haas

April, there may be some overlap between your two. You're making some broad generalizatons. I put myself in the first camp, but I approve of some bus-side slogans and some amount of protest when religiosity gets out of hand. I don't care much for snarky little gestures like the one described here. If some people are sincere about their needs to be "de-baptized", then, alright, fine, but... more... - Kamilah Gill

It's also like writing an angry letter you never send or talking when no one can hear you, or posting something "private" or punching a pillow. Should I go on? Yeah it doesn't mean anything, but screaming into a giant hole still makes you feel better. Hell, typing here is meaningless but we are still doing it. By the way, sometimes I'm a 1 atheist, sometimes I'm a 2 atheist (why is a friendly atheist message a huge waste of money?) and sometimes I'm in between. You don't get to pigeon hole us, we wiggle. :) - Heather

You know, on a personal note, I just want to say that I don't feel a need to be "de-babtized", and as far as the circumcision is concerned--can't really miss what I can't re-member, as it were. BUT, that said, I do feel resentment on my childhood self's behalf. I was taught matters of "faith" as if they were true, and I was given a sense of guilt for being human and fallible, and I was... more... - James (!?)

Good explanation of your perspective, James. I think one of the things that makes religion a tough topic is how it tends to be passed down to children, who often not given a "choice" (at least until they are "on their own"). Part of the reason some atheists can appear to "passionate" about their non-belief may have to do with the fact that they made a conscious decision to explore their... more... - G. Sigh

Just one more way to mock God. Someday he'll get sick of it and kill us all. And I'm blaming them when it happens. N00bs. - Danny Minick

South Park nails this: http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips... - G. Sigh

Would I do it? No. Do I think it's silly? Yes - just as much as any religious ritual is - but it's also probably fun to do and a good excuse to meet up and get drunk. Do I think it's deliberately insulting to religion? Not sure as it's impossible to know the reasoning behind each individual's decision to go through with the act. But I would say that if you're religious and you think... more... - Mark H

OMG - Thomas Power

Dudes Rituals are for Religions, disbelief calls for nothing Dudes get a grip. If you need this ritual you are already in That religion called Atheists. Formalizing things Suck these guys are going on my Ass Hole list this Follow Friday, Earned Dudes Earned - ThatDBD

Um, OK... - JA Castillo

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An Anthropologist on What's Wrong with Wall Street - http://www.time.com/time...

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“What we observe is not nature itself, but nature exposed to our method of questioning.” [Werner Heisenberg]

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Which is influenced by prejudices. - Stephan Miller from fftogo

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Tale of two headlines: spinning the Yahoo! Quarter (pic)

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looking over my feedly stream - these two 'stories' came up. it's all commentary now isn't? - michael sean wright

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Bing! That is correct. Spin before analysis. - Louis Gray

Spin indeed.Yahoo needs an ipod moment and the new homepage, although slightly better is not really going to help. - Edwin Khodabakchian

interesting thread going from Scoble - http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... - michael sean wright

Steve Rubel

These will hold operating systems and more soon. Check out Kingston’s 256GB USB Drive... - http://cultofmac.com/kingsto...

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They already do - I know people that pass these around with entire Linux installs on them. (in much smaller space) - Jesse Stay

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@Jesse do they boot off the drives? I bet Chrome will. - Steve Rubel

yes, usb bootables are already in existence/ Linux flavour only - Peter Dawson

Someone on Twitter mentioned that USB drives have a limited write lifespan - so that could be an issue I guess. - Steve Rubel

PortableApps suite has Linux and Mac OS bootables. There's alerady a Firefox Portable version. I use that stuff every day on a 2GB drive. - Steve Lynch from twhirl

@ Steve, yes I have the FF Portable from V1.0 days.. Long long time ago.. my Surf history always travelled around with me..nver left an auditable trail on a PC :)- - Peter Dawson

Whoa that 256GB USB pen drive costs $924 bucks! (I have Knoppix Linux distro on an old pen drive) - Susan Beebe

Steve, yes, they boot off the drives. It's already an option in most BIOS's - you can choose to boot from USB first. And I'll bet on Chrome booting from these, considering I believe it's Linux-based. I think I heard of Windows working on some of these as well, but don't quote me on that. - Jesse Stay

Jesse Stay - http://mojopac.com/ delivers virtualized windows on USB - Vivek Puri

Vivek - nice! I knew there was something out there. - Jesse Stay

holy crap. and to think that my packard hell computer from 1996 had a 2 Gb hard drive and 4 megs of RAM.....sheesh.... - Morgan Haley

Vivek have you used Mojopac? How's the speed? - Steve Rubel from email

checkout deadswap - Billy Warhol

"I know people that pass these around with entire Linux installs" on 3.5" FDD ~ http://www.toms.net/rb/ - Peter Renshaw

Steve Rubel - I didn't use Mojopac for a long time. But for the time i used, it was pretty good. You should get the pro version. AFAIK, founders are from msft - Vivek Puri

I want four of those! only then will data truly travel. - Freddie Benjamin

My small WD passport HD holds far more than this USB stick and it is only powered by USB power also! - Garin Kilpatrick

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Question of the Day: Does online dating have a stigma or do you accept it as completely normal?

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Normal. - CW™

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A friend who met his wife 20 years ago through the newspaper personals calls it "the new normal," and I think he's right. - Amy℠

Normal - LANjackal

Met my husband almost 15 years ago on a telnet BBS before there were dating websites (or any websites for that matter). We laughed when several years later people started thinking it was "weird" and then a few years after that "normal" to meet others online. - Lindsay

My wife and I have been married 5 years and have two kids. We met on Stumbleupon. Not a dating site, but I don't see a stigma with either. Just about anything else is done online. - Stephan Miller from fftogo

David Harry

How to Guarantee Anything - http://www.searchenginepeople.com/blog...

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hahaha! - Anne Bouey

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LOL! - TheHenry

nice barter - Deep Moni Hazarika from twhirl

I like Oreos. Makes sense to me! - Bradley Farless

sounds fair to me. i would have held out for the fudge covered type, but that's just me. - Morgan Haley

That's the worse deal on EARTH - Matt Ruiz

Did someone pay money to run this ad? - Daniel J. Pritchett

"Ok, everything looks good and - HEY! One of these Double-Stuffed Oreo bags is OPEN! WTF! Give me back my older clothes dryer! To think I trusted you!!!" - Bryan Zirkel

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Have You Read - So You Want To Be A LinkedIn RockStar? http://www.squashboxmedia.com/2009...

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Veronica

The more "uplifting" someone's email signature quote is, the more I want to stab myself in the eyes with hot needles.

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Hang in there! - Kevin Fox

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that's acceptable if the picture of the kitten is attached. - Veronica

It's always sunny somewhere! - Thomas

Search deep inside yourself, Veronica, and try to explain why you hate it so much. - Eric Geller

They don't need to be hot ... - Salty Droid

It's 5 O'clock somewhere! - Fee501st

they cauterize better that way. - Veronica

If you did that, you realize you could never see any more LOLcats, right? - Eric Geller

A frown is just a smile with potential... - Thomas

My boss usually has some Zen Buddhist message on his AIM (which seems uncharacteristic for him) - but today he's got "In case of rapture, have a designated sinner." That's more like the sarcastic boss I know and love... - Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF

Stabbing myself in the eyes with hot needles turns me from the ugliness of the world to the peace of permanent darkness. - Andrew C

'Make the world a better place via the power of bacon' - Alex Scrivener

that's a nice one. - Veronica

You know you've hit rock bottom when 'uplifting' quotes don't make you want to barf. - Amy

I've long ago learned to ignore signature quotes (unless they're Groucho Marx). - George Brickner

Would really depressing signature quotes be preferable? - DGentry

Is the inverse true? If my sig is super depressing, will it bring a smile? :) - Mo Kargas

Sent from my iPhone. - Geoff Schultz

Confucius say: "man who run behind car get exhausted"..."man who run in front of car get tired" --------------------------------------------------- "Who made you Judge Judy and executioner?" -- Homer Simpson - Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ

Time for some demotivators? http://despair.com/viewall... - vb100

haha, you actually read them. - mosta from AndFeed

Funny, "Please stab your eyes with hot needles." is my email sig. - Todd Hoff

That one about the number of breaths you take vs the moments that take your breath away just makes me want to pinch someone. repeatedly. until they scream. - Yolanda

"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." --Red Adair - Michael R. Bernstein

"Perhaps God rewards martyrs, but life seldom does..." --Ulrika O'Brien - Michael R. Bernstein

new here and you just made my day with a good laugh - nyfamily5

An old coworker at Nokia who's sig said: "The world is a festering pit of despair." An engineer trapped under the marketing umbrella. - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins

Calling me out huh? :-P Dropping the gloves. j/k - Mathew A. Koeneker

I like pizza - Noah David Simon

I like cats, and pizza. - Veronica

But not really at the same time. - Veronica

couldnt agree more - sean percival

hoping you don't like cats IN the pizza - Wagner

An - Christian (Simply X) from Android

Wagner, see above. - Veronica

and this is why the company I work for insists you don't use them and. I'm glad - Christian (Simply X) from Android

here, found your new email sig! http://farm1.static.flickr.com/48... - Wagner

Matt;

RT @pfrigerio: Twitter Changes API, Fails to Notify Developers... http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...

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FriendFeed Blog: Someone's in the kitchen with FriendFeed themes - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...

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Grasslands would go well with the Duckhunt theme - Jesse Stay

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Those are all awesome! I am having a hard time deciding... but you left off the best one, Jesse!! Duck Hunt is cracking me up! - Lindsay

Lindsay, Duckhunt isn't new though. It was released earlier in the week. My favorite is Grasslands. Has a cool cloud that moves across the background. - Jesse Stay

Jesse, you can add duck hunt to any theme if you grab the bookmarklet from www.duckmylife.com :) - Ross Miller from iPhone

Ingrid Ihasz

Finding and Using Niche Blogs - http://www.seomoz.org/blog...

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When I talk about 'niche blogs', I mean blogs that are regularly updated and focus mainly, but not exclusively, on a certain subject area like, for example, crocheting or tea. More often than not, a blog with a specialty will be of a much higher quality than your average 'rambling and musings of x' site. However, with a zillion new blogs published per hour, it's getting increasingly difficult to ferret these quality blogs out, particularly if they're not in the business of being found. That makes it sound like I'm talking about underground crochet blogs. I'm not. I just mean blogs that aren't particularly well optimised for the search engines and don't know an awful lot about things like title tags or keyphrases. - Ingrid Ihasz

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Admiral Anika

I'm so out of the loop. Am I reading this right? Did FriendFeed roll out a new feature for one person who *doesn't* use FriendFeed?

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Exactly. - Shevonne from fftogo

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No, we all get to use it. - Matthew DeVries

Yeppers. - Christopher Harley

that's a fantastic way of putting it in words. yup, they did that. - vijay

But it's not accurate. We can all turn off comments on our threads - Matthew DeVries

Hadn't quite thought of it like that... but, yes. - Yolanda

And it's not fair to attach this to Arrington even a little, as the threads where Arrington was mobbed, he was not the thread owner and couldn't have used it, beyond appealing to the thread owner to moderate the out of hand thread. - Matthew DeVries

Don't forget the Aaron Brazell flameout from a few weeks ago. The "why can't I disable comments?" question was popular there too. - Daniel J. Pritchett

If they disable the comments, shouldn't liking it also be disabled? Likes are also a form of two-way communication. - Shevonne from fftogo

Is it just because Arrington was on state when this feature was announced that everyone is attaching it to him? Scoble was on that stage too. This is just a very unfair and inaccurate characterization of the feature, and it dismisses the feature as having zero utility to anyone else for anything else. This is hardly the first threading system that has given thread owners moderation rights. - Matthew DeVries

I have no idea who Aaron Brazell is. So, they rolled out a feature for 2 people who don't use FriendFeed. Whatever. I use FriendFeed everyday. I want features BACK; batch sub/unsub, the ability to refresh a feed without all those stupid clicks. I want to see in the profile box when was the last time a person commented, I want to be able to click on "Flickr" and not be taken *to* flickr, but see all the Flickr photos. - Admiral Anika

Matthew, I don't know who Arrington is or what stage you're talking about. I don't care that there's more ways for thread-owners to moderate, that's completely besides the point which is why I didn't mention it. - Admiral Anika

Anika, why are you characterizing this as a feature for one or two people then? - Matthew DeVries

"Seriously, dude. Arrington insists that a feature is essential and *must* be put in, and when we do TechCrunch writes a headline likening it to tear-gassing people? *sigh*." - Kevin Fox http://friendfeed.com/parisle... - Daniel J. Pritchett

But this is a good feature we can all make use of. It's not just available to Arrington and Technosailor. It has utility. - Matthew DeVries

So who else wanted these features? Absent certain high profile cases, it really seems like a solution looking for a problem. - Victor Ganata

I have for when people have necro'd my threads from months ago. When contests have closed. When Akiva's giant giraffe balls keep popping up. - Matthew DeVries

Average joes don't care but the celebs that drove Twitter adoption are definitely going to be leery of sitting on an uncontrollable stream. It's one thing when people tweet angrily about you, it's another thing when they leave angry comments directly on your flagship page(s). - Daniel J. Pritchett from IM

So if FF wants to ape Twitter's growth curve they could stand to be more celeb-friendly. - Daniel J. Pritchett from IM

This is turning into a mob you better disable comments. - Geoff Schultz

Even if most Tweeters don't actually use the service, they just follow some off of the SUL and then go dark forever. - Daniel J. Pritchett from IM

@Matthew What are the pros of this feature? - Shevonne from fftogo

Matthew, you're making going all drama on this for no reason. No kidding, everyone one can use the feature. But see my previous comment on features *I* want back. I'm not the only one to say that they want those features back, but we got themes. Why roll out something that the community who_uses_the_site_daily was NOT clamoring for? Why not give us BACK the features that were taken away instead? - Admiral Anika

You already use the site daily. Sometimes they might want to develop features to entice people who *don't* currently use the site daily. I don't see any regulars leaving over this, and honestly they put out new features so regularly it's hard for me to complain. - Daniel J. Pritchett from IM

LOL @Geoff. Luckily for me, I have a thick skin and don't think people disagreeing with me = a mob. Not a WATB.----> - Admiral Anika

Anika, I'm all for getting back the Favicons, and the other issues you've mentioned, and would gladly sign your petition and get in someone's face for it. I just don't think it's fair to characterize this single feature as pandering. It's a needed feature, and not the first one that we didn't ask for but came anyway, where I'd prefer they spent their time putting back my damn favicons.... more... - Matthew DeVries

I thought we could always disable comments before -

Shevone, in addition to what I posted with "I have for when people have necro'd my threads from months ago. When contests have closed. When Akiva's giant giraffe balls keep popping up." If I'm trying to drive traffic to comments not on FF, I can like to the comments on my Blog, or Survey, or Flickr page, and not risk having the real discussion happen on FF instead of the fed site where I want it. - Matthew DeVries

Said the same thing yesterday, http://ff.im/5b7I5, and have a fear that this will actually make the flaming of the mob spread out rather than stay contained within one thread. As people get their comments deleted, and blocked from throwing out our opinion. I thought that's what hide was for and deleting the original post would wipe the conversation out. - Jimminy

Remember Scoble's crazy "leave a comment here and I'll follow you!" or "leave a comment here to win $1000" threads? People necro those for months and even Robert edits them to say "CONTEST OVER PLZ GO AWAY". That's *one* use case for this feature... - Daniel J. Pritchett from IM

James - People who do it will, like now, just get a reputation and no one will engage them or follow them. People who abuse features already in use got just that. Who doesn't know that to "Chris White up" a thread is to drive a flame war, then go in and either delete all your comments so the people replying to you have no context, or edit your threads to make it look like you agree with... more... - Matthew DeVries

The staff of TechCrunch has no idea who Chris White is, I'm sure. - Daniel J. Pritchett from IM

Somehow, there's this assumption that because I created this post, that I don't think the feature is useful. I don't know how that conclusion was jumped to at all. - Admiral Anika

I meant, in the FF community Daniel ;) - Matthew DeVries

But like I said above...in those examples, people can still "Like" something to death, so why disable only the comments? These people who would use this feature want no interaction, so remove likes as well. Why should they get their stuff bumped up by likes if they don't want comments? - Shevonne from fftogo

Without likes, it would disappear as quick as it was posted. It wouldn't be able to rank in best of days. It wouldn't have traffic beyond the people who currently follow you. - Matthew DeVries

How many likes can a no-comments post realistically get? - Daniel J. Pritchett from IM

Most threads get more likes than comments - Also, could make for a nice tuning feature in Best of Day. Weight the algorithm for likes more than comments. - Matthew DeVries

So give them what they want. They want no interaction, so give them 100% what they want. - Shevonne from fftogo

@Matthew, if a user posts something and disables comments, which clearly indicates s/he doesn't want any interaction/discussion regarding the post, it probably doesn't deserve to be in the BoD. The BoD distinction should belong to those who actively participate in the community, not to those who want to just drive traffic to their own site. (edited to make a bit more sense...) - vicster

I am having trouble getting up in arms against the discussion muters. Sure it's a bit sleazy and selfish, but I don't know that we need to explicitly punish them for their transgressions. - Daniel J. Pritchett from IM

I should say it's sleazy when you want to mute comments by default. If you reserve it for extreme situations it's more understandable. - Daniel J. Pritchett

Daniel, I'm actually more afraid of it happening in the exact opposite circumstances, because I don't want a flamewar to spread outward from a thread just because the comments were shut off. If they disable them by default, then it's probably going to be spammy. The only use I whole heartedly accept is closing old threads so that they can't be bounced. - Jimminy

You can't really stop people from starting spinoff threads no matter what you do. That's why all of the twitterati are so drunk on the power of sticking it to Big Brands. - Daniel J. Pritchett from IM

I definitely understand that you can't stop them from starting, but by shutting off a flame war in one thread could create a hydra situation were you end up with multiple threads harboring the continuation of the flamewar which end up spreading out into the main stream. I understand that this is what "Hide" is for but it just don't like that it opens up this possibility. - Jimminy

I don't really understand the Best of Day being only for commented threads, but not liked threads. Say someone outside FF dies, I post a link to the memorial . I don't want comment on that link, but I do want comment on the memorial thread. There's no reason that shouldn't be in best of day. - Matthew DeVries

blatant pandering to the elite. Nice one, FriendFeed. - anna sauce

That's probably the most succinct way of putting this situation I've read yet, Anika. - Steven Perez

Well said! - Keith - @tsudo

Daniel - I just want to make a point - you stated no regular was thinking of leaving due to the feature. I consider myself to be a regular and I actually thought about leaving this service because of the feature (and a few others that were added lately). In fact, I slowed way down on my interactions here as I've been thinking about leaving. I'm thinking FF is going in the wrong... more... - LPH™ and his dog P™

LPH - Look here http://friendfeed.com/axispor... There are a hundred good and honest uses for the feature. As I stated above, this wouldn't have helped Arrington or Technosailor, as they didn't own the threads they were flamed on. It isn't fair to make this assessment. It's a good feature, not driven by celebrity. You're attributing too much coincidence to roll outs. - Matthew DeVries

Morgan Haley

anybody use dreamweaver? is it worth it? anything i need to know about it (quirky things, etc)?

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I haven't used it in ages. I didn't like it back then because the code it spit it was bloated as hell. I'm curious to know if it still does that. - pea

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thanks pea. anyone still use it? - Morgan Haley

I've used an early version, and CS3 previously. It seems OK, but the end product of the Layout Tables feature will drive you mad, unless you can figure out a way to get them to handle being resized when the window is. Of course, I haven't tried a later version, so I can't verify that, and I haven't used it much for anything otherwise, except at college. - Tyson Key

I use vim. Really NOTHING beats hand-written (x)html and css. - directeur

I prefer using Drupal, but I don't mind writing HTML by hand if I have to (although the result usually looks like cack if I do that, to be brutally honest). I need to work on trying to bend my head around CSS, too. - Tyson Key

I use front page, and then hand code. But tables are not that great with browser portability. CSS is much better, a bit tricky! If you are going to use tables, just small ones, not embedding a table into a table. table rendering really sucks! - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק

Newer versions tend to favour Adobe's custom Spry JavaScript framework for certain things, but you don't have to use them, of course. - Tyson Key

I like it, I use it sometimes, but definetely I am not an expert. :-| - diego morelli

so what program is the best and easiest for quickly creating pages? btw - this is for a co-worker that is a complete tech-tard. he has almost no tech knowledge. And since I don't do the web creation thing, I don't know what people use for page creation nowadays. My last page build was in 1997 and it sucked. - Morgan Haley

I don't know. :( I still use Notepad and hand code all of my stuff. - pea

I say FrontPage is easy to use and basic! - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק

Didn't they discontinue FrontPage in favour of "Expression Web" or whatever the name of the week is now? - Tyson Key

you guys and gals are way smarter than me. notepad technique isn't an option for this guy, or for me either...we does has dumbness in this area....so FrontPage is mo' easy huh? - Morgan Haley

<font size=10 color=pink>pee</font> - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק

What sort of site is it you want to create? For your money (ie it's free) Wordpress is very easy, has lots of templates and can be changed very easily. - WorldofHiglet

try to get the old frontpage, 2000 U can probably find a free one out there. - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק

For what it's worth, even though you can't learn the whole thing and it's quirks just by looking at it, DreamWeaver does seem fairly easy to pick up if you want to do something basic. - Tyson Key

Dreamweaver is the only way I have ever been able to handle web design. I am a visual kinda girl, I have to see it! This also lets you view your page in all the other browsers as well. - The Catz Meow

he wants to revamp a page that he did years ago. it's a site that generates sales for him so it needs to have the credit card stuff i suppose. i'll tell him to check out the different things you all suggested and pick the one he likes best. In fact, maybe I'll just send him the LMGTFY.com link and smack him up side the head once and for all! Thank you all for your help! For Eels. - Morgan Haley

I haven't designed a web site in such a long time and I have no idea what DreamWeaver CS4 is like, but back when I did use it, I found to be quite a powerful way to design sites. The version I last had was 8 and it had cleaned up the code it generated from what I know about previous versions, so I didn't think that that was such a problem. - Chieze Okoye

here is a clean download from piratebay http://thepiratebay.org/torrent... - Igor The Troll יִצְחָק

Dreamweaver is a great program writes clean code. - Matt Mac Interactive