*Why do Millennials “trust institutions” so much more than previous generations? I think it may be because Millennials have seen so many insider leaks of this kind, so many excoriations of institutions. Millennials trust institutions because they have very low expectations for institutions. They know that, somewhere in all institutions is the Kafka world of Dilbert, out of control bosses, hapless dweebs…
- Steve Lynch
Speaking of Feedly.. I'm in the preferences now finding neat options like... Finance Should the feedly digest include a summary of the news related to the stocks you are tracking in Google Finance? Yes No
- Brodie Beta
Why doesn't Feedly have an iPhone app? Or if they do.. it's not available in (Canadian) iTunes
- Brodie Beta
NetNewsWire on the desktop, Reeder on iPhone.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Brodie - They don't yet, but I think they're actively working on it. I'm hoping it will get here, soon.
- Curtiss Grymala
Google Reader, but I like Feedly. It's just that I treat RSS articles more like an inbox and I just want to march through stuff as efficiently as possible. Feedly is a bit too magazinesque for that, IMHO.
- Ken Sheppardson
Absolutely. I'd suggest taking a six pack. To keep it frozen, I'd carry it in some sort of battery powered cooler with a couple dials on it and a few of wires sticking out.
- Ken Sheppardson
Louis: the important part of religious humor is that it is equally offensive to all religions ;)
- Bret Taylor
I agree with Louis (and have been cringing every time I see this shared)
- Jesse Stay
Bret, that's understood. Jokes are jokes, but some religions fare worse in this one, and rely on old stereotypes/falsehoods that should go away.
- Louis Gray
Speaking of Reader, Friendfeed doesn't seem to be getting shares on time. Tweets are late too :( Still using Reader but thru Feedly :)
- RK
...The new lists feature is totally making Twitter FAR BETTER than Google Reader. The only thing Twitter doesn't have yet is full text. But I've gotten over that. So, why is Louis Gray still holding onto Google Reader, even though Google Reader is slower and lamer than Twitter is (combined with FriendFeed)?
- Robert Scoble
Off topic question on Twitter lists: Sometimes when I try to add someone to a list of mine using the dropdown, I click the checkbox, the little icon spins, but the click doesn't take and the person isn't added. This happens a lot but not always. Anyone else getting this?
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
Reader and Twitter are very different tools. Virtually every blog and news site has RSS/Atom feeds. Most don't have their own Twitter feed. And 140 characters, with URL shorteners? Get real.
- LogEx
You are comparing apple and oranges. Using twitter as an RSS reader is almost as bad as following everyone back
- Edwin Khodabakchian
I still bookmark websites. Cause it works for me. But what do I know?
- Derrick
I still use Google Reader all day long, love the state save between mobile and desktop. I use it for the "hard news" stream, sans crowd commentary and noisy/redundant mashup of "friends'" likes. Great for following a multitude of obscure blogs.
- Allred
I see a pattern here: Tomorrow's provocative tweet is going to be: Ok, Google Reader is very much alive. The real question is when will Robert Scoble get back to blogging!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin. Twitter is my RSS, has been for months. I have not gone to Google Reader in months.
- Paramendra Bhagat
Dear Jesus, here we goez again! WHEEEeee, would this be it's 3rd Life or reincarnation if you're a practicing Buddhist? Or maybe see what's up, give em call...
- sofarsoShawn
Scoble - Have you tried to use Email notifications or their Adobe Air desktop notifications? They are sorely lagging by 15 minutes or longer. No longer "real time"
- joebrooks
Ok, that's just a bit too provocative -- I can't think of a single major service that Twitter can claim to replace, and Reader, one of the best apps on the web, certainly ain't one -- maybe if Reader had a "random crap" feature, that's where Twitter would encroach
- Christopher Galtenberg
I agree. Google Reader *is* dead. It's certainly been very dead for me. I use it basically only to post articles to Twitter and FriendFeed. Lately I've been doing less GReader sharing and more favorites on Twitter.
- Dennis Jernberg
Or rather, GReader's dead as a social network type thing. It remains very good at what it is: a Web-based RSS reader. But I do like the fact that you can share articles to Twitter, FF, Facebook, etc.
- Dennis Jernberg
Hmm? Google Reader and RSS are fantastic. I am not impressed by Twitter favorites. Also not impressed by comment bait. :) Carry on.
- Louis Gray
Twitter is only a meta-stream. You give up comprehensiveness for sheer popularity and randomness.
- Christopher Galtenberg
I will stop using Google Reader when blogs and Web sites start publishing, replaced outright by Twitter.
- Louis Gray
Poor Louis - he keeps getting picked on today :-( (sorry - I started it)
- Jesse Stay
I want a better tool for the job - nothing does what Reader does for me right now. I wish Reader would focus on that aspect and not the comments or likes or such. Build a solid (not slow) platform for sharing and reading the news. Make the UI less confusing. Then maybe they could socialize it. Regardless I won't switch because there's nothing that gives me news and lets me share it like Google Reader does now. I just wish it was better.
- Jesse Stay
Now Twitter is better than Google Reader? I guess I'm using all these technologies the wrong way because I use Google Reader waaaay differently than Twitter. I'm starting to wonder if someone brainwashed Scoble at the last Twitter event or something... it's getting a little bizarre.
- Jan Ole Peek
Welp, I'm using it so it's not dead to me.
- Shawn Farner
The recent spike in the 'dead' meme is just plain odd. Is it an expression of having too many things to do? The need to have some losers, and hence a desire to be on the side that does the killing? Would we prefer a Microsoft-like monopoly, or a limited Microsoft/Apple/Linux-like menu? Is attention too frazzled to tolerate and even enjoy a wide ecosystem of tools?
- Christopher Galtenberg
Christopher, it's just a slow news week I think. As Scoble said, we're kind of in an in-between period right now and it's frustrating.
- Jesse Stay
I still use Google Reader the same way that I've been using Google Reader for months - namely, to share items of interest to my Google Reader and FriendFeed followers (and now, my Facebook followers who see my FriendFeed entries). Perhaps it's worthwhile to note that I don't use Google Reader as a social network; I can't ever find the comments that are attached to Google Reader items.
- John E. Bredehoft
Big shrug. Feeds are feeds. I don't love any of the interfaces. Growing fonder (sigh) of FB, though, as a hub for all of it. (No pink sheep though. Please.)
- Kathy Fitch
I never really use the Google Reader interface. But integrating with feedly is great.
- Nils Sandin
What are your guy's thoughts on bloglines.com?
- Eric Vreeland
I consider that del.ici.ous should move towards twitter-like or friendfeed-like functionality. Or perhaps google's equivalent of del.ici.ous (could never figure out what that is actually called and how to get back to it each time) should blend in a jaiku layer.
- Ian Tindale
+ to Louis G calling it...approximately, more accurately though: load deflection disguised as link bait,
- sofarsoShawn
Consider how "retweeting" would have turned out if "twitter favorites" were listed in your own twitter timeline/feed. Twitter favorites are the greatest example of a feature that never was.
- Andy Bakun
retweeting has found me many folks to follow I almost never check favorites counter intutive use of time an attention as the flow of tweets go by and I'm holding a conversations
- WarLord
Of course you never check twitter favorites, it's has like zero social utility on twitter, they only ever show up if you click on someone's favorites list.
- Andy Bakun
well as long as everyone agrees ff is alive :D
- Mike Chelen
Another question: Why are you using Louis Gray as a model?
- Amit Morson
Amit: Because we all agree that Louis Gray is our perennial model. Obviously. :)
- Christopher Galtenberg
Google reader is an information option for me as well. Different channels give me diverse looks on the stream. 2D plots are dead because 3D plots exist, not in this reality Robert.
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
I find this interesting that Scoble wonders why people use an RSS reader, but wants more human curation. People need to seed the sharing, and those people are using RSS readers. Twitter would be helpful if there are a group of people curating news for you, then the most popular items continue to get shared.
- Rob Diana
@Diana, I totally agree. There's not enough information density on Twitter when compared to the compact layout of Google Reader. I can see which feeds have new items, I then select a feed and scan headlines, drill in and read one or two stories from each, mark the rest as read. Twitter is just a pile of noise compared to the organization that comes with RSS. I do share a ton of links out of Reader into my Twitter stream though.
- Crutis
Robert, Not everyone cares so much about real-time .. some of us actually want to find something other than what's hot today or last week. We might even want to have a "conversation" that's semi-organized.
- Chris Myles
It's not about information density for me. It's also about quality of content. There are a lot of great writers who aren't on Twitter or FriendFeed.
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
another one of those incredibly naive " x technology/service is dead article". Sure the social aspect of Greader may be "dead" but that wasn't Greader's real focus...Greader will keep on going because certain people use it in a way that can't be replicated by twitter/friendfeed or facebook...and people will keep on using twitter, friendfeed and facebook because as similar as they are can be they can be used in very different ways.
- David Rodriguez
Chris: me too. But I've been watching how Louis uses Google Reader. It's EXACTLY how I use Twitter (and we often find the same kind of stuff. Only I usually beat him in speed. But you can't see yet what I'm talking about because you don't have Twitter's lists feature.) See my favorites at http://www.twitter.com/scoblei... -- a lot of what is there is what shows up in Google Reader too. But only Google Reader is slower, harder to deal with on the iPhone, and doesn't have a lot of stuff.
- Robert Scoble
Amit: I used Louis Gray as an example because I like his Google Reader shares the most. They are very much like mine. Plus he's the guy who got me to come to FriendFeed so he usually is early in seeing things and it's fun to debate early early adopters. Just look at this thread!
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I was early adopter on GReader, then got bored.. once we get the low downs on a new software then it becomes boring and (a) we look for other stuff elsewhere ; (b) create community around the S/w component or just (C) just drop the product / software
- Peter Dawson
Unrelated question,sort of. Robert, why does your Twitter profile show friendfeed.com/scobleizer as your web page?
- Kenton
Seriously? No one's even mentioned the fact that Twitter lists don't work for many of us? We don't have that feature available, and, what's more, when we try to view someone else's lists, we get a 404 error. Hmm. Google Reader works for everyone. Maybe that's why people are still using it.
- Curtiss Grymala
I haven't explored much of the social interactions of GReader. If I comment on or like someone's shared feed, it's most likely through FriendFeed. I don't see myself using Twitter for what I use GReader.
- Arlan Koizumi
"No one's even mentioned the fact that Twitter lists don't work for many of us?" - LISTS are still in pvt beta mode only.
- Peter Dawson
Kenton: FriendFeed is still the best aggregator in the business. That's why.
- Robert Scoble
Curtiss: that's why I specifically called out Louis. He has access to the new list feature. So, it will be interesting to see if it changes his view of Google Reader.
- Robert Scoble
Arlan: I think you will, especially when you see lists. I have a list of just major news brands, for instance, and it's a better RSS reader than Google Reader is except if you want full text feeds.
- Robert Scoble
Of course many people want full text feeds. I get very irked at partial or headline-only RSS feeds, they usually get booted from my Reader subs. Twitter, with or without lists, has different purposes and different use cases than Google Reader.
- LogEx
LogEx: I used to be like that but then I freed my mind and got over the full text stuff. Mostly because Google Reader got to be VERY SLOW for me.
- Robert Scoble
Joel: people who unfollow just because they disagree just seem to be weak souls to me and I'd rather not hang around someone so weak. So, have a good one!
- Robert Scoble
Google Reader isn't a good social tool now, but it's the best tool for me for getting feeds from many sites, many of which are not represented on Twitter.
- LogEx
It's already done. You've stopped providing valuable previews of cool stuff and are now providing nothing but silly arguments about why x is better than y
- Joel Bennett
I didn't unfollow ya because I disagree with you (I *never* thought Google Reader was interesting), I unfollowed you because lately your signal:noise ratio is the wrong way up.
- Joel Bennett
Twitter Lists. I don't even have them yet, and I'm already tired of hearing about them :-p
- Joel Bennett
Well Robert, maybe I'm just following you in the wrong place.
- Joel Bennett
Joel: and over on http://www.building43.com I have a ton of videos where I show off new things and new ideas. Tomorrow Tapulous, who has the #1 iPhone app.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, Tapulous has my kids' favorite iPhone game
- Jesse Stay
Joel: I just went to your account and all I see is noise, no signal. So? Should I unfollow? No. Because personally noise is important.
- Robert Scoble
Heh, follow, don't follow - either way, makes no difference to me: I'm no social media "influencer," just a plain old dev. I follow people for news or because I know them, and I post to share or converse...
- Joel Bennett
I'll just put you on my noisy dorks list who threaten to unfollow because they are too lazy to look for the signal that obviously is there in the first place. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
It wasn't a threat, it was a done deal :-P Maybe it was lazy. Maybe it was just annoyance at the way this whole dead-not-dead crap is burying all the signal on FriendFeed lately.
- Joel Bennett
Robert. I just watched your kyte video. Good Q&A. I see how the lists can generate interesting metadata about people and sources, leading to a new "authority" race. To be fair how ever, I think that delicious has a lot of the similar metadata/tag information/count when it comes to sources. Do you mashable vs techcrunch comparison on delicious and you will see. So I guess you are right...
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- Edwin Khodabakchian
Robert, this is fun watching and listening to you about the Twitter Lists but actually without being able to make a list, it's like a carrot... http://www.kyte.tv/scobleizer
- Myrna
OK, so, I looked over your feed ... and I've realized that YOU don't actually cause the noise, per-se ... it's just that lately, the stuff that seems like noise to me are the ones that get bumped over and over with likes and comments from people defending FF against ya. Maybe I need to find a client that doesn't show the "bump" effect.
- Joel Bennett
Yup, he causes it alright, measured reaction ensues
- sofarsoShawn
Joel: that's called Twitter. OK, I'm outta here now! Running...
- Robert Scoble
Robert: maybe GReader is slow because you are attempting to feed too much into it? Funny, I have been a bloglines lover for a long time and finally 'got' GReader only to be told it's dead. Say it ain't so! :)
- Sheryl
Sheryl: I feed a LOT more into Twitter and it is a lot faster than Google Reader.
- Robert Scoble
LOL. Robert, when I was personally impacted by divestiture in 1984, I observed that AT&T was dead. I also said, like a shot elephant it would run for miles and miles before it fell over. That's proven true. That dead elephant is still trying to escape. But it is a dead elephant. If GR is dead, it won't keel over any time soon.
- Ken Camp
Robert, you may feed more to Twitter and it's faster, but you're the metadata guy. GR and the GOOG have horsepower, momentum, computing and network resources that Twitter can't match for several years. They have the ability, like any real 800 pound gorilla, to overcome that.
- Ken Camp
Robert - All that said, I do agree that RSS readers like GR, are a phase that is on the way out. It's peaked.
- Ken Camp
I like the 'more...' to comment approach.
- Holly Rae
I don't agree Robert. Google reader fills a need for some people when it comes to consuming content. This is not saying that Twitter isn't a good consumption too.
- Seth Goldstein
"America’s spy agencies want to read your blog posts, keep track of your Twitter updates — even check out your book reviews on Amazon. In-Q-Tel, the investment arm of the CIA and the wider intelligence community, is putting cash into Visible Technologies, a software firm that specializes in monitoring social media. It’s part of a larger movement within the spy services to get better at using ”open source intelligence” — information that’s publicly available, but often hidden in the flood of TV shows, newspaper articles, blog posts, online videos and radio reports generated every day. Visible crawls over half a million web 2.0 sites a day, scraping more than a million posts and conversations taking place on blogs, online forums, Flickr, YouTube, Twitter and Amazon. (It doesn’t touch closed social networks, like Facebook, at the moment.) Customers get customized, real-time feeds of what’s being said on these sites, based on a series of keywords. “That’s kind of the basic step — get in...
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- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
from Bookmarklet
And I'll bet your local police agency is using Google Alerts.
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
Did you know shirts with collars cause depression and squash your personality? They also make you look like a tool. The Law of Fashion according to my son (who I made wear a polo pullover shirt instead of a t-shirt to a youth activity he was invited to by a girl).
I absolutely adore your son, even though he's is totally wrong here. ROFL
- Admiral Anika
Carmen he wears a Tee Fury shirt nearly every day to school! He loves those shirts. And he likes this girl and he was meeting her parents so he needs to suck it up.
- Trish R
When I told him he looked nice and would make a good impression, he said "Mom, YOU ARE SUCH A GIRL."
- Trish R
Toolness can be canceled out by popping two collars simultaneously. Just like multiplying negative numbers...., just so you know.
- Clark Baumgartner 蔵明 馬武刀
I thought two popped collars was like toolness squared. :)
- ha3rvey (Ho)^3
One makes you a tool, two squares it and makes you an even bigger one. A negative would be like, removing skin or something.
- Jordan Hofker
I was convinced that neckties were making me stupid, and I've avoided them for most of this decade. (Wish I could say that halted the encroaching stupidity... at least it didn't make it worse!)
- Mark "DerBingle" J
Oh, neckties? Neckties make you stupid. ;-)
- Jordan Hofker
My parents made me wear polo shirts in elementary school. I never liked it. When I get kids, I'll probably do the same.
- Arlan Koizumi
Out of curiosity, I looked. That URL is taken. :-)
- Trish R
Your son is a genius. Also -- t-shirts = the bomb.
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
Kyle rocks. Heh... I actually have a pencil that says that... or Kyle rules. Yeah, that's it.
- Trish Haley
LOL. I forgot about those pencils. Those were funny.
- Trish R
Suits in general have a negative effect on your mental and eventually your physical health. I've long noticed that my mood is markedly different when doing the same task and the only difference is my wearing a suit instead of a pair of combats and a tshirt.
- alphaxion
that's just it tho, you're still getting to embellish upon a basic layout. Have you ever walked into a clothes store and paid attention to the mens section? depressing as hell, I look on at the kids section in envy at the selection of colours and styles that just don't exist for most places. There are other stores you can go to, such as cyberdog or the local rock store but for the majority the state of mens clothing is depression in fabric form!
- alphaxion
I shop in the men's section! It's much more interesting than the women's section. Functional too.
- Admiral Anika
Today is probably the day when I pass 50,000 followers on FriendFeed. A mind-blowing number if you consider it includes almost no spammers or celebrities.
Congratulations-I completely agree with ffcode, FF weighs more than Twitter in my opinion....unless you're going for mass, huge numbers......
- Harold Cabezas
agree with rob michael...and whats I in IRL, marcel
- ffcode
Nice :) Curious though, if you could graph subscribers over time, would you say that the most recent 5,000 has been one of the slower periods of growth?
- Andy Bold
Robert Scoble for Mayor of FriendFeed.
- Thomas Hawk
I haven't been on friendfeed much really since the facebook announcement but it is nice to have something to fall back on when my beloved twitter is out.
- Lise
You just followed me. I'm not following you yet.. Will do so if you accept my invite on Facebook that I sent to you a few years ago..
- #alaskareport
Johnny: I deleted about 10,000 Facebook invites and accept very few new ones, sorry.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Robert: On FriendFeed, we're all celebrities! And spammers. :)
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
@ffcode - hmm, who exactly is dave "hudson"?
- Dave Hodson
Congrats. Yeah, I haven't noticed much abuse on FriendFeed; but then again it's hardly used by the mainstream.
- Joe Manna
Joe, what's not mainstream about 50,000 people?
- Louis Gray
No problem. I just sent you another Facebook invite via Facebook Mail. Just now.. If not accepted then you're pulled from the contact list.. Do you need a Google Wave invite? I have 4 left.. tick tick tick.. ;-)
- #alaskareport
what does that mean? i mean what good are you getting from those 50K followers? how many of them don't provide content back to you?
- Jonathan Jesse
Basically I just open FriendFeed from time to time to see what Scoble's followers are writing (I loved the "castle" discussion)
- Michael Slattery
& you know, my sub counts for like 10,000 of those :o) congrats big guy!
- sofarsoShawn
congratulations, got any tips for the rest of us? how long have you been on friendfeed for? twitter(at)locspoc
- Loc
Do you feel any pressure Robert? Does having such a huge number of followers bring more responsibility and quality of the content stress for you?
- Ozkan Altuner
Seesmic, Friendfeed and Twitter next to each other in a test version of Twhirl. Adding tons of Friendfeed experience improvements in there, Marco rocks.
Is twitter's api actually back up at 50 req/hr?
- Shawn Farner
The old Twhirl works for me in linux for me, it just won't remember my password.
- Daniel E. Renfer
from twhirl
Yes Marco does. Twhirl is becoming my info hub. And if Twitter dies, who cares I'm sure Pownce, Jaiku or whatever could be swapped in
- Tris Hussey
from twhirl
Inaki: There are never 100% of your followers Tweeting at the same time. I'd guess that for me, I get like 50% of them on during peak hours.
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
I'd think the most interesting Twitter users follow less than 500 folks, or even LT 250. Why? Coz interacting with too many people is plain impossible when you've actual (interesting, geeky, worth discussing ...) work to do.
- Sebastian
I have noticed most of the Twitter people I consider that add little or no value and or spam have high follower counts.
- cheapsuits
from iPhone
Akiva: Cotweet would be cool. I'm more familiar with TweetRiver. Posterous is a good one!
- Robert Scoble
Facebook... he he he... don't be silly!
- Travis Koger
Wow, this teaches me to pay more attention to bios: Jalada, I had no idea you were behind Twitterfall. It was used constantly at Gnomedex by everyone.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Hey Robert, I have a $100/mo Rackspace Cloud site, but I'm just a small blog and really can't justify spending that a month, so I'm trying to sell "chunks" of my site starting at $9.95/mo to others who are in similarly in my shoes. I'm doing it as perhaps a business opportunity, but also as a way to stay with the service and not go back to a shared managed host. I wonder how I can market this?
- Stephen Pickering
he asks the stupidest questions and he gets range of response !! what does that tell us ?
- Peter Dawson
Robert :Friends Messenger ,,, looking for a US partner ,as we are working on a SKYPE integration and an OUTLOOK solution as well ,we are at Amazon now and you can bring us home :-))
- Johni Fisher
If you're going to show CoTweet and Seesmic, you definitely should show TweetDeck and HootSuite. It might also be a good idea to show some of the URL shorteners like bit.ly.
- Curtiss Grymala
reason, but as most people are irrational, perhaps not
- sofarsoShawn
They already have taken over my world. I've started referring to my iPhone as my "prosthetic brain", and I'm only partly kidding...
- Josh Bancroft
from iPhone
People fear what they dont understand. Age old dilema
- Mark Sylvester
It's not just fear - who are the people who just can't stand what they see as a lot of people blathering online?
- Rachel Happe
They see superficial/bad side of sm (like self-absorbed Twittering) and generalize that to everything. They don't think of the potential or of how to improve the way things are used.
- Steve Lynch
I agree with @Mark - they go hand in hand. No trust, or very little
- Lee Anne Orange
Many take the position out of fear or from not wanting to feel too exposed. I think they need to understand that by being less insular, they'll encourage conversations that spawn product improvements, new marketing campaigns and discover additional ways that the community is engaging with their product..
- Tanya McGinnity
While SM has become a grt venue for some introverts to have a safe space to share, for others sharing just doesn't come naturally and is uncomfortable.
- Marcia Conner
it challenges hierarchy and authority in a lot of companies..
- Jim Storer
To Mark's point, I think many people fear change, too.
- Teresa Basich
On the flip side, I've spoken with several "share it all" extroverts who object to the computer mediation. Pt being, nothing suits everyone.
- Marcia Conner
@Jim Storer - That is totally it.. Challenge to hierarchy can be scary to companies with a less flat structure and many do have board of directors to appease by keeping this hierarchy in place
- Tanya McGinnity
I was one of those people, I resisted for a long time. For me it was the "hype" around it, teh "second coming language" I tend to like to blaze my own path, joining felt like following.....
- Larae Junior
Most equate all communitys to Facebook/Twitter/LinkedIn - I think internal facing communities get a bad rap as a result. When you show someone a professional community of purpose, you get a much different reception - but that points out my earlier thought, fear comes from a lack of understanding. This means that we have an enormous educational effort ahead of us.
- Mark Sylvester
How do we help to educate? Obviously we chatter enough but too often in a somewhat small circle...
- Rachel Happe
I wonder if this is also partly a generational issue. Saw the same thing when suggested we have a website in the mid90's and email before that.
- Mark Sylvester
One of our members watched Yammer explode inside his company (very large, conservative company)... all of a sudden a lot of ppl started to "get it." All except the internal collaboration team, who saw it as a threat to their authority.
- Jim Storer
Education includes explaining past Twitter/LinkedIn/Facebook.
- Teresa Basich
Then those of us inside the 'circle' get frustrated that there is an echo... but I just seeing that as new people coming in and 'discovering' things for themselves
- Rachel Happe
It often doesn't fit into the narrow picture of what they see as "real" work. They feel like people are just wasting time. I have a friend who would like to just ban SM at work. He's very focused on Facebook, in particular.
- Joe Kikta
While at times I've also said, "if they just understood" too, I've known many people, of varying ages, who really gave internal communities a solid try and learned it didn't meet their personal connection needs.
- Marcia Conner
I try to share as many examples within my organization. When a community member spoke of being ill and the rest of the community rallied behind her, sending their messages of support, I sent this around to the team. When you are able to view the power of community in a person's life, there is no better example than this..
- Tanya McGinnity
@Jim It seems that threat to authority is a huge issue.
- Teresa Basich
some see it as a time waster - so they don't like to see staff using it.
- Lee Anne Orange
@rachel - I compare our 'educating the market' dilemma to the gartner hype cycle curve - we are on the downward slope (IMO) which means we have a lot of uphill 'splaing to do.
- Mark Sylvester
@Marcia, great point. Not all organizations are cut out to really benefit from communities, internal or external.
- Teresa Basich
@leeann @joe - we have found success in showing actual workplace examples of SM that saves time (hence money) with measurable results. Hardest part is cajoling clients to share these examples as they are now starting to believe that they are a competitive advantage and don't want to share. (Really)
- Mark Sylvester
I noticed a post the other day (sorry, can't remember author)... the seven words to avoid in social media evangelism... facebook, twitter, linkedin, youtube, flickr, myspace, ??... interesting to reduce focus on the tools..
- Jim Storer
Perhaps people who are accustomed to doing business in a traditional and direct manner -- physical meetings and over the phone -- struggle with the concept of using social media to develop trusted business relationships?
- Lou Ordorica
@Mark lol - yes but I also think there are plenty of examples. The problem lies in that the value of communities fit somewhere between branding (vague ROI) and direct marketing (absolute ROI) - in the marketing example... so hard to articulate and qualitative results in many cases and direct results
- Rachel Happe
@Jim, but SO important to reduce focus on tools. Social business is about culture change, not the tools involved in doing it. Tools can be addressed when people are on board.
- Teresa Basich
@jimstorer - you are right, this should not be a technology discussion. It should be one that is strategic and focused on solving key business issues - when you turn the discussion that way, and away from stereotypes you start to gain ground. (In our experience)
- Mark Sylvester
@Lou, that's a reasonable assumption. They can't comprehend relationship building this way.
- Teresa Basich
how many of you have an actively engaged CEO?
- Jim Storer
Sometimes the best (and easiest) way to generate interest to those who don't believe in social media is to look at what the competition is doing. If they are connecting positively with an audience, then you have to wonder why you aren't
- Tanya McGinnity
Part of what I think it is too - is business people have been trained to make decisions on metrics, not on common sense so... they are afraid to do something that makes sense but they cannot 'prove' with an excel model
- Rachel Happe
@Jim @Mark @teresa Executives tend to perk up when you tell them about competitors who are having success with social media and communities. The whole "keep your friends close but your enemies closer
- Lou Ordorica
@mark @teresa @jim Agree, less focus on actual tools. Start discussion about current pain points in communication issues within organization and with customers.
- Joe Kikta
@lou - re: competition - you are so right, we have a new client that is solely because of their concern that their main competitor was using our platform.
- Mark Sylvester
@lou @tanya Fear can be a great motivation tool, properly used and backed up with good metrics.
- Joe Kikta
@joe - I would extend the audit of a company beyond communication issues and include how do they connect and how do they collaborate. We see it as a three-legged stool - Connect, then Communicate, then Collaborate
- Mark Sylvester
My fear with focusing on competitor tactics is that it'll push execs to want to follow exact same steps. Those steps might be inappropriate for your business model.
- Teresa Basich
ok - we've tackled fear and loathing... fun stuff. let's wrap up with a more uplifting topic... above or below (depends on my speed typing skills)
- Jim Storer
@mark I guess I consider connecting and collaborating as part of communication, so I agree with you. Just semantics.
- Joe Kikta
@teresa you are exactly correct, and in working with this new client I am focusing on their unique challenges which as it turns out are very different than their competition. Whilst I am not going to tell either one the details, my guidance is completely different for the two clients.
- Mark Sylvester
@Mark, great challenge. Have you run up against the "Why aren't we doing what XYZ competitor is doing?" question?
- Teresa Basich
"We're gearing up to launch a new feature which makes Twitter truly location-aware. A new API will allow developers to add latitude and longitude to any tweet."
- Louis Gray
Holly smokes.... that could be huge -- location, location, location
- Yann Ropars
there goes ubertwitter's main comp adv
- stanleyyork
shouldnt they be working on something important - like spam or actually keeping the service online?
- andy brudtkuhl
What a win for robbers and thieves. Now we need an app for spoofing location.
- τorƍue
"Shouldn't they be working on somewhat important" like shortening URIs on-the-fly for SMS only instead of altering data on arrival, creating a huge problem on the Web? [Sorry Andy for stealing your opening phrase]
- Sebastian
You can already spoof location. Actually, you can spoof the phone number behind the Twitter text messages, no?
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
Oh wait, they closed that hole, which has been around since the service's inception, five months ago. Only took a few years....
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
Are they going to text compress lat/long? You can do it in like 6 characters for most purposes.
- Hayes Haugen
Is there a standard format for text compression of lat/lon? If not, now's the time.
- Ken Sheppardson
This was available before, just not on a per-Tweet basis. In IRC they have also said it will be "opt-in", and you'll have to turn it on. You can't specify which individuals it's available to though.
- Jesse Stay
Ken: not that I am aware - it's in my list of things to do. I was thinking a simple intro tag like ] and then 5 to 7 sms characters. Should be enough for 100 meter resolution as I recall.
- Hayes Haugen
Of course the first half a dozen searches on compression algorithms for lat/lon hit on patents. Because converting a floating point number in a fixed range to a shorter text string is some pretty heavy weight IP that should be protected... *rolls eyes*
- Ken Sheppardson
An obvious optimization is not to distribute your range equally over the planet. Don't need the same longitudinal accuracy at the poles as we do at 45 degrees.
- Hayes Haugen
My guess is they won't encode it in the message, it'll just be metadata attached like the source, author, time, etc., available only via the API or non-SMS clients
- Ken Sheppardson
boring! though one would still need some sort of client to decipher the encoded location.
- Hayes Haugen
Ken, per the dev list that's what it will be.
- Jesse Stay
I wonder which celebrity will be first to accidentally reveal their home location.
- Martin Bryant
from iPhone
τorƍue & Martin are pushing my buttons. Re: spoofing, even with noise, there will still be some signal.
- Wade Dorrell
I use Brightkite for my GEO, my set up has worked for a year, but now all the apps are doing the same thing, so it might be time to change it up.
- Anne Haynes
But... You miss the best fun! Ignoring app invites
- Kristian Salonen
Actually, it would be nice if you could configure FB to only allow for things you approve of. For example, I don't want quizzes or pokes...
- Scott Paley
John: I'm just kidding (mostly) about the superpokes. The real advantage of deleting most people is your news feed gets enjoyable again!
- Robert Scoble
Robert: How many FB friends are you down to?
- Scott Paley
Scoble: If you delete everyone, who do you get yours news from?
- Manuel Mas
Isn't it better to just read a list of the people you care about it?
- Manuel Mas
I went and did some Spring-cleaning there when everyone decided the sky was falling here. Deleted a dozen or so apps, and clicked Hide->Hide [app-name] on a few that my friends were still using. Now I have a stream over there that has almost nothing but my friends posts, links, photos and comments. It's a bit like FriendFeed, except people I actually know from offline use it.
- Edward Coffey
If you used the Fan Page like FriendFeed, then it's pretty close, except for RT updates. But regular guys can't friend your user page unless you return the friend acceptance. And I see that you really don't want all that noise from listeners. So you need to use the Fan Page instead of your personal page for public conversations. The ability to choose your subscriptions, independently...
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- Keith Rowland
it's funny Scoble has gone from adding everybody to being a social network of one
- Bastard Operator From FF
Manuel: I'm not actually deleting everyone, but it sure seems that way. Already I've deleted manually about 9,000 people. Not a fun job at all.
- Robert Scoble
My mom told me that geeks are antisocial ;-)
- Sebastian
people are going to start saying "Robert doesn't want to be friends with me anymore." :(
- John Wang
John: yeah, except FriendFeed is going to remain my place to interact with a large number of people. Twitter is going to stay clean. Facebook is for people I've hung out with in real life.
- Robert Scoble
So everything ends up in FriendFeed. IOW all the other services are obsolete. Right?
- Sebastian
I only use Facebook for close friends, and it works pretty well for that.
- Rob Fisher
OK Robert, so should we not bother with your Facebook Fan Page? You just using FB for your personal friends?
- Keith Rowland
I'm down to 2450 friends and still deleting. So I've deleted more than half (and I already went through 5,500 who couldn't get into my friend account and deleted most of those too).
- Robert Scoble
You're deleting these from your personal FB account, not your fan page?
- Keith Rowland
The page I see for RS on FB has over 10,000 fans.
- Keith Rowland
None of the people I know on Facebook is also on Friendfeed, it is like two completely different worlds
- Asgeir
Asgeir, yeah me too, it seems all my family and church friends are non-geeks. Which means of course I'm the go to guy when technology fails.
- Keith Rowland
Keith, same here :) Every time I am visiting family or a friend there is usually something that needs fixing
- Asgeir
I'm a huge Facebook fan for keeping in touch with friends & family. It's good for that.
- Alex Knight
Robert you got the personal profile page locked up pretty good, can't even get to it, just reverts back to my home page.
- Keith Rowland
Keith: according to my settings it's open to everyone. All settings set to as open as possible. Weird.
- Robert Scoble
Now it's working, I swear it didn't :-)
- Keith Rowland
It comes up fine now, so I'll leave you to your pruning process. I'm not a personal friend, so I'll just watch the Fan Page. BTW, loved the impromptu interview with Paul, thanks for that! I feel a little safer investing time here on FF.
- Keith Rowland
I'll do the same to see if I begin to like it too.
- Caio Cesar
Robert, you could just delete all your game apps... Which of course, you already know. I can see the benefit of deleting people from your Twitter account, but since FB is a closed system, I don't see the benefit of deleting people from your Facebook.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
Robert's new answer to everything is delete delete delete.
- Rob Cairns
Ughh, are you sure you're not on FriendFeed's payroll, what happened to your "Roach Motel" analysis we all know Facebook sucks.
- sofarsoShawn
sofarsoShawn: Facebook still sucks for people like me who want to be totally public but they are opening up. That has nothing to do with my shift in how I am approaching these things, though.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Oh great the FaceBook unfollowing saga begins Maybe they will ave to sell to shut you up LOL
- RetiredTeacherD
Scoble so by deleting everyone and isolating yourself in a social network is the answer? NO. Could you please explain where your approach comes from, I'm confused or are you just joking?
- sofarsoShawn
I'm a fan of the "add 98% of your friends to a list and then disallow that list from seeing frickin' anything" approach.
- Brett Kelly
from iPhone
Brett, can you use lists to affect the visibility of newsfeed items? I thought I saw something in the RWW facebook guide that said you could only use them to control the visibility of parts of your profile. Maybe I just got the wrong impression. I'm going to have to explore Facebook someday.
- Bruce Lewis
FB has gone bad I'd rather goto brightkite
- Ray H
I have never accepted a friend request from stranger on my Facebook right from the beginning i made the account. FB is for my relatives only. Friendfeed is more open,, in fact i have no "real" friend here. i like it;p
- zʍıɔ
First Twitter, then Facebook. The great Robert Scoble unfollow saga continues... Me, I've been accepting friend requests from FF people (I always request they tell me they're from FF so I know). I have 4 separate groups for friends, FF people, and both sides of my family. But I'm nowhere near overwhelmed...
- Dennis Jernberg
I don't presume to add someone in Facebook (or LinkedIn) that I don't know IRL unless the person specifically encourages people to add him/her on that service. For example, Chris Brogan and I are linked on LinkedIn, but I'd never presume to ask him for a recommendation.
- John E. Bredehoft
So it's the return of the Great Unfollow.
- Morton Fox
Doing that on FriendFeed. Sick of the self important, self promoting spammers here.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
You can block apps like superpoke from contacting you... That doesn't bother me too much. It's the quiz app that can't be blocked, because it's really an app generator. Every new quiz becomes its own facebook app automatically, and you can't block them all. Annoying, that is...
- Otto
from iPhone
It's more than deleting everyone, deleting all the FB features would help too. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
why do u think so ? facebook is so enjoyable . the more the merior ;) just try to like it the way it is
- Viva Vida
Lists (feed) filter the noise and deliver specific news on family, co-workers, industry contacts, vendors, etc
- Susan Beebe
Robert, is Facebook having connection problems this morning?
- Shari Weiss
You may look back on this purging of human capital as the darkest day of your social life. How many people did you alienate in one day? Must be a record of some kind! Congratulations! Sorry you will no longer be privy to my astute insights back at the mothership. It would have been better to be more selective to begin with, but alas, you were bombarded with requests. The price of fame, I suppose. Cheers!
- david beckwith
Social media without people....hmmmmm this is a different concept or approch and I wonder what the benefits are. Anyone care to share?
- Jeunelle Foster
Jeunelle. No spam. No noise. No trolls. No SEO experts. Lots of benefits!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Ahhh well in that case I'm all for it, besides the people that I have in my friendlist now at FB I can't stand. lol :)
- Jeunelle Foster
I'm still trying to find my one home on the web. Sometimes it's FB, sometimes it's Twitter, sometimes it's FF.
- Adam
Exactly why can't someone create 1 with the positive benefits of all 3?
- Jeunelle Foster
Instead of having to go to the 50 or so social networks I'm a member of, I want those networks to come to me. I want a single page (my blog or home page) I can host myself, working in both directions. Yes, I can pull things, using rss feeds or widgets, and I can push things, using services such as ping.fm, but I want all that to happen "at home". I want things people post elsewhere,...
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- Irma Vermaat
I leave the games up & ignore my 812 pending requests. Sometimes it is cool to throw sheep or play tic-tac-toe with an old college classmate (who's now a history professor), and an occassional event is cool (although nowhere near as nice as tribe.net). It's REALLY easy to ignore requests.
- Mitchell Tsai
Bruce - You can include/exclude individual people from your News Feed. Works very well for prolific people who post stuff that doesn't interest me 99% of the time. Possible strategy (which I don't use) (1) friend everyone who asks (2) put "followers" in a "don't appear on my NewsFeed" group. I like to see everyone on my NewsFeed. How else will I get to know new people?
- Mitchell Tsai
I make everything on my page public - except my home phone (friends only). Luckily, I don't have a boss or corporation or sticky political situation to navigate. I consider anything Facebook/FriendFeed-private-room/LinkedIn/web potentially public info. Anything private should be over the phone or in person (and even the phone is scanned for keywords). Even an e-mail that says "let's...
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- Mitchell Tsai
Mitchell, that sounds useful, but what I really was curious about was restricting visibility of my own items. On FriendFeed I put tech stuff on my home feed for public consumption, but family doings are in a private group. I'd like to use FB the same way if possible. As for getting to know new people, on FF I have a "followers" group that I check every so often, while keeping the noise level on my home feed tolerable.
- Bruce Lewis
Bruce - Sound like the two users (if you don't get caught by Facebook) approach is cool - It's been proposed as "alternate personas" (maybe Bruce Lewis & Bruce X Lewis) - one of my friends Brian Tung also went as Byron Tung (tribute to Byron the writer). A fan page is another possibility, but not everyone at Facebook has fan pages, so it doesn't work as well as FriendFeed's one-directional links.
- Mitchell Tsai
I made a "Chat" group, and only added a few friends that I don't mind chatting with. Then, I configured chat to only show that list....the upside? Everyone else sees me as offline. Simple but effective!
- shaun mclane
I merely created a second "personal" profile. That way I can keep my 5000 followers. Only actual friends will be added to my personal profile. Is that a violation of the terms of service?
- Leo Laporte
Delete everyone, and block the annoying applications from appearing in your news stream. Agreed.
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
Even better: Come to FF and complain about how terrible it is to have your news stream flooded with stuff from friends. So terrible.
- Fleagle
The mini Hawks enjoyed rolling sideways, scootering & cartwheeling down the street after eating all the junk! So far no one has thrown up but the last lunch with dad before school starts was spoiled by then :D
- Mrsth
Money quote: Am "I suggesting that if a person trapses into the dojo for 10,000 hours they are guaranteed success in both martial arts and life?? No. In fact, I think that would be far far from the truth. Consider this – people generally work 8 hours a day at their job 5 days a week. That would make them masters within 5 years.How many people do you know that are masters at their job? How many people do you know that are even competent at their job after 5 years? Conversely, how many total idiots do you know who don’t belong anywhere near their job?"
- Steve Lynch
Depends on the organization. The company I work for is very accommodating to the individual; other jobs in the past were not. When the organization is not accommodating most individuals either bent to their will or left the organization.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
If it's a good fit, a little of both, and the resulting organization is more effective. If one or the other is inflexible, it's a bad match and both need to recognize it ASAP.
- Ken Sheppardson
Paul - Random thought or FB needs to re-think your workspace ??
- Charlie Anzman
I guess a lot of folks here are concerned about how one organization accommodates another organization. ;)
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Both must adapt - if the organization is not enriched, and if the individual is not benefited, the relationship withers
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
This is more of a thinking question than an answering question...
- Paul Buchheit
Hahaha!! Maybe FF should let posters turn comments "off" :)
- Carter Rabasa
Comments are good Carter -- I just wanted to point out that this is not a question that has a general answer.
- Paul Buchheit
Having doubts already, eh ? :-) Only joking...
- Andy C
I think FB is ok with taking pets to work.... Initially, the individual accommodates the organization; If the individual is influential and supported, the individual can change behaviors of folks, leading to changed attitudes, leading to changed culture, leading to an organization that is accommodating to needs to all individuals.
- Dickey Singh
Funny coincidence, talking about organizations. I actually wrote a thesis paper for my MBA program about "Facebook as a Complex Adaptive System". I'll have to post that on the blog at some point. Anyway, it's a really interesting way to think about companies like Google and Facebook.
- Carter Rabasa
Organizations are made of people aren't they?
- Todd Hoff
Ideally both, as in any successful relatioship. However, in practice it is usually the individual who is more accomodating, by choice or perhaps based on fear of job loss.
- Janice
from fftogo
I was just composing a lengthy, comprehensive, considered reply to answer this fully but my boss saw me and now I've been DOOC'ED.
- Andy C
It depends on whether m1v1 is greater than m2v2. (i.e. the size of the company and its relatively complacency versus the will and energy of the individual).
- DGentry
Personally dun think there is a simple answer to this. Depends on the stage of life of the individuals and his/her needs. Single or family, etc.
- Lim, Kok Kim
if you own the organisation it is a trivial question.
- abdellah
its the organization accomodate the individual. nothing is absolutely 100% of course but it's more this way than other way around. this way you maintain change and adaptability as well.. it's like a key IE philosphy, you design the work for the worker, not the worker for the work.
- ugurarcan
Often, it depends on the percentage equity you hold.
- Louis Gray
Accomodation is dependant on being a big fish in a little pond or a little fish in a big pond. I think you know the answer. Not trying to suggest one is better than the other
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
abdellah, I would argue that it is most, not least, critical to you if you "own" the organization. Although I guess it depends on what you mean by critical.
- Clare Dibble
This topic is deeply fascinating to me personally. In my thesis I introduced ENTs (Emergent Node Tree structures) to model groups in noncooperative game theory, as I thought the cooperative game theory model didn't capture the full range of possibilities. I recently started reading _Genetic and Cultural Evolution of Cooperation_ http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog... which I'm finding very interesting.
- Ruchira S. Datta
Big global organizations and states enable social networks and individual freedom... And, structures of state and big organizations have originated from client relationships..
- Vlad Hrouda
The Organization depend on the Individual to a certain extent. Some individuals can easily be replaced ;) The Individual depends heavily on the Organization if they want to be able to make a contribution toward success. Am i wrong? I guess my point is that Individuals are more vulnerable than the Organization as a whole. I guess for some true innovation to take place you need to connect the two. Isn't that the role of the Manager ;)
- Jan Friman
Depends on several factors i.e. how important you are to each other?, equity held, position etc.
- Nicholas James
Why are you asking? :) Things work best when an individual and organization are compatible with each other. An organization is going to attract certain types of individuals, and an individual is going to be attracted to certain types of organizations. I've been involved in two situations (so far) in which my company was bought by another company. While I've had to learn new things because of the way the acquiring organization operated, in the end it all worked out for the best.
- John E. Bredehoft
The organization changes the individual and vice versa.
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
All depends. I unfortunately witnessed a situation where each accommodated the other, and then the organization reneged. When it's both accommodating willingly, anything is possible.
- Rob Schieber
In terms of "toeing the line", I think the individual accommodates the business; "you will submit your timesheets by date X", "you will use Microsoft Office", etc.
- Andrew Terry
Definitely depends upon the relative value. The keepers of rules like that, mostly middle managers, love to emphasize the importance of the organization and its requirements over personal ones. Execs generally think a little differently.
- Rick Cogley
They get away with it because the healthcare lobby pays their salaries and they're not concerned about the constituents. The lobby gets the elderly and the far right frothing at the mouth over this fiction, then they threaten to withhold campaign funds from anybody who supports the bill. Grassley was considered a voice of reason and then he just flipped like a light switch. Wonder who...
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- Kevin Arth
@ Spencer: Most of the so-called concerned Americans come to these townhalls to show their hatred for Obama, some even more so than for the actual health care plan. They are too stupid for an intelligent debate, so they shout-down congressmen and disrupt the meeting for everyone. Way to go! That accomplishes a lot huh? If you don't think these 'protests' aren't organized by the far right racist assholes and big insurance, you must be living in a hole. Townhall protesters = birthers = teabaggers.
- Tomy Thomson
Yeah, how do they get away with this when those in support of government healthcare control the media and have Obama's bully pulpit? Why can't they set everyone straight, without threatening to diminish first amendment rights by reporting alleged mis-informants, etc.? It's a travesty...
- Stephen M. Otto
@ Tomy - Yes! I'm fairly convinced that all this anger is more about losing the election than anything else. So now the right is going to do anything it can to prevent any real work from being accomplished so they have a better chance at getting back to power in 2010 and 2012. I'm hoping the average American is smart enough to see through all this crap. Meghan McCain has the right...
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- Alex Hellstrom
This has nothing to do with "losing the election". It has nothing to do with racism. To attempt to reformulate the debate in that way is simply not productive, and it is a display of extreme disrespect for your fellow Americans. You need to address the merits of the debate, which is: How can government manage the costs of this proposed system without rationing.
- Stephen M. Otto
@Tomy As a med student, aren't you concerned about any healthcare proposal that doesn't include Tort Reform??
- Stephen M. Otto
@ Stephen, I am concerned about tort reform. I'll be honest, I don't know all the details of this bill (not my job), but I hope that the final bill that is passed from the senate will include measures about tort reform. I don't have a problem with people protesting for genuine reasons. However, when I watch the news and see people holding up signs that say 'Death to Obama and his little...
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- Tomy Thomson
Nobody knows all the details of this bill, because it's like 1000+ pages freakin' long. However, the bits I've read, I did not like. I'm very pro-Obama, but I do not and cannot support his health-care plan. Despite the idiots shouting at Town Halls, this plan has severe issues that need to be addressed, and the current administration seems determined to push it through without fixing...
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- Otto
Which health care plan? There are like three bills.
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
As a non-American, I think the thing that astounds me the most is the lack of debate. It's about political position and beliefs, not about any thought at all. The lies and mis-statements about the Uk MHD are just astounding
- Rachel Clarke
from iPhone
Health care - Hell scare - Who really cares Show them a Bill , and they will kill it - that's the agenda!
- Houseofmax
@Tomy: I admit that I have not seen the signs and placards that you describe. If what you say is correct, it is conduct that should not be tolerated.
- Stephen M. Otto
from iPhone
Well, give it a good go, and you will love the way it all works, compared to twitter, other than that, it may seem a bit of a lot to deal with at first, but there is so many threads of help and advice here, it won't take long to get to grips with ;o) Welcome by the way... leave hubby outside tho lol.. friendfeed may crash! ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Okay I'm here too! Seems cool, have you dicovered anything new and different?
- Tracy Ferry
Oh, you will see this is way better for conversations.
- Sam Guzman
trying it too it beteer then twitter you can see the feeds instead of waiting great thank you mrs moore
- antony march
It's like chat. Right? can anyone read it or only people following you,etc.?
- Charlotte Frum
Charlotte: Yes, anyone can read it. It's different than chat in that it doesn't dissappear. Conversations are accessible months later and with their own url. Make sense?
- Sam Guzman
me too, i just join this friendfeed right now!
- charlene chua
Oh thanks Sam. That's great! Love it. Hope it catches on.
- Charlotte Frum
demi, lets start a secret chain.... i'll say one of mine and you contine. i borrow cleaning gear from my apartment complex & replace before anyone sees :)
- Keilah Sanchez
Uh!!!! Oh nevermind, I just can't...lol
- Bill Heslin
Holden, considering it just posted to her twitter account, it seems like it is.
- Sam Guzman
Holden.. yeah it is. ;o) hopefully more "ordinary" people join.. lol.. no offence to anyone here... :o) :P Just.. you know what I mean ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
hook up your twitter, facebook, blog sites, whatever. This is so much cleaner and neater.
- Kimba Rudd
I'M JUST TRYING FRIENDFEED ITS NICE!?I LIKE IT?
- Rosa
This is great Ashton gets me addicted to Twitter and now Demi gets me hooked on this LOL you guys are great <3 to you both
- Jessica Williams
Hey Rob, I know what you mean. I wish more people would use FF. Too bad it just got bought by Facebook!
- Sam Guzman
yeah.. 100% right there Holden, and she gets to keep tweets together ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
This site is great ! I love this. This is going to catch on no troubles
- Jessica Williams
Demi, Welcome to FF and all the new FF'rs in this thread, Check out http://friendfeed.com/friendf... for some great starter tips. Oh and listen to Holden...He is the God of FF :)
- Bill Heslin
What makes me laugh is that everyone is loving friendfeed all of a sudden, when it's been around for like two years, as awesome as ever. No one knew about it though! I really think it could have been a Twitter killer if the right people joined.
- Sam Guzman
i'm not sure- it doesn't tell me who is who
- Tina Haight
Sam, I think all the tweets that generated from here about the Facebook buyout is bringing more people in now. Unfortunately as we know, it's a little too late..but we are going to hang in there... :)
- Bill Heslin
NO tina.. its like twitter but in REAL time... and threaded.. demi WILL see this.. then go.. WTF?? how did that happen.. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
so essentially it is a chat room that mated with twitter?
- Jessica Williams
Bill... I think it was PART of the plan.. why techcrunch broke it.. and why they sold to faceache.. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Or she is watching this right now going WTF?? and laughing
- Jessica Williams
now.. click do you ONLY have this post in your home tab?? if so.. you see it as it grows.. i opened this thread in new tab alone.. do that by clicking the TIME stamp under demis pic.. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
never heard of this, but I am willing to try new things.
- Nita Wertz Ernst
Ok folks, the difference between friend feed and a chat room is that a chatroom doesn't aggregate all your social media activity. friendfeed pulls in your activity from a bunch of social media sites, like youtube, facebook, twitter, etc. but also provides the functionality of twitter and a chat room. So basically it's your social media life on steroids. Very powerful.
- Sam Guzman
Lynn... on the right hand side.. is your friends...
- Rob Sellen :o)
Very cool. If you like PostSecret, you should check out www.SecretRegrets.com.
- SecretRegrets
Demi started this great convo and walked away :( lol
- Jessica Williams
I'm still new at this but it's growin on me, thanks for all the help
- Lynn
piss off with the spam crap.... everyone.. you can BLOCK or hide idiots like secretregrets... ironic.. you will regret the spam.. lol.. NO_ONE will see it.. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Lynn. You will not find too much Spam on FF
- Bill Heslin
That then HIDES all of his comments.. thats WHY this place is SPAM free.. and we would like to KEEP it that way.. so use the block with spammers... they will soon go back to...twitter lol ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I really wish we could get a bunch of celebs on here and keep friendfeed from disappearing!
- Sam Guzman
i'm waiting for her- this is my excitement for the night. hah
- Tina Haight
done thanks again this is kinda confusing but fun
- Lynn
are there any size limits to the characters typed?
- Lynn
Just in time for the big moving sale! Enjoy like there is no tomorrow!
- Martha
Rob, so when you post to twitter it auto posts to ff or vice versa
- Mercedes(Chris)Ozcan
i have no idea jsut started. i lik this its like twitter but alsso like a chat room in a way.
- Samantha Scheideler
lia.. don't treat this place like twitter... drew USES this place, and that word gets spread ;o) now I #blamedrewscancer for you doing that ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
good I hate getting cut off and I'm no good at the new shorthand
- Lynn
lots merc... just have a look around.. you can create list of people here.. import stuff.. click your settings under your name on the top right.. have a PEEK ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Either Demi is reading the FF beginners group, or she just hasn't figured out how to read FF yet, and doesn't see all this wonderful Real time conversation that can't happen on Twitter..But anyway, back to my regular feed have fun everyone. Any questions...Just ask Holden LOL
- Bill Heslin
Demi, the major difference to me is tha FF is more engaging; if you play along. Meaning, don't post something and then not interact with other users. Go back to Twitter if you don't want to make an effort.
- Chad Gesser
from BuddyFeed
Agreed Jessica...Chad Boo!!!! :) It takes time to get it...give her a chance..
- Bill Heslin
Ya and if she is sitting back watching trying to figure out whens a good time to say something to us all that isnt going to make her want to talk
- Jessica Williams
Robert, do you think we can save FF???
- Sam Guzman
Chad - that is wrong - I got that SO many times - you guys never do it to girls
- Liza
Chad.. please don't go down that road.. a few have done it..I have made mistakes here before.. they stick... look at the spammer earlier in this thread.. ;o) CLICK the timestamp under demi's name here and open this thread in its own tab ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
yayy, demi B-) ff is the place for all the action.
- Gtp19
liza... lol.. you start using this place, and you won't want to go to twitter so much ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I am tired of ppl saying go back to Twitter - get over yourself or I will say go back to atari
- Liza
Geeks will not tell you go to Twitter if you are dirty.
- Liza
http://bit.ly/8dSsK << will as MANY of you tweet that to Demi.... :o) get her over here to see it n action... while you are all busy here
- Rob Sellen :o)
go to your home page... post it in the comments.. with your @mrsaplusk too.. click the CC to twitter . post ;o) as long as you have added your twitter username here that is...
- Rob Sellen :o)
done but I had to do it from tweetdeck, I will keep workin on this though
- Lynn
Think of it as the place where all of your online stuff goes. You see the stuff, say, that your friends on Twitter are liking on YouTube. You can then talk about it, favorite it, etc. just like you do on Facebook. It's a mashup of all of your Web activity in one place.
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
Lynn... you will like it here, you will notice whenever anything gets commented on, or liked, it jumps to the top of the page...
- Rob Sellen :o)
The key to FriendFeed is following me. :)
- Andrew
She'll never see this but I just have to comment knowing that I interacted with Demi Moore. ;)
- Keith - @tsudo
It's amazing that with all of Demi's followers that she doesn't get more people over here. I'm noticing a trend: not many people engage on Tweets.
- Robert Scoble
ahh that is why nothing is in the order it was posted in
- Lynn
Be sure to add the bookmarklet to your browser. Makes posting to FriendFeed much easier.
- Robert Kenney
It's nice to see so many new people joining up; welcome to everyone! I was going to suggest some of you check out the FriendFeed for Beginners group but I see someone else has already done that. Otherwise, the best suggestion I can offer you all is to do a search for some things that interests you and follow the people that posted them.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Robert..I have noticed that on twitter they tend to struggle..... celebs would be in the element on here..
- Rob Sellen :o)
thanks for that Andrew I knew there was a right way to do this haha
- Lynn
Well I apologize to those that took offense to my initial comment. That's just my take: show me some substance. Welcome Demi!
- Chad Gesser
from BuddyFeed
Nice to see her here. Yet in this service, celebrities need to participate on the conversation which is what makes this different than Twitter.
- Manuel Mas
It would be deliciously ironic if the buyout that everyone was worried about was the making of FF!
- Matt G
Try not to get all caught up in out techno-babble, but a lot of learning here.
- professor daddyo
Everyone's new at some point. The more the better.
- Robert Kenney
lol.. chad.. the point is.. she probably not come back since posting.. but she will do.. and THEN realise what she missed..
- Rob Sellen :o)
Holden: come now. She has 1.7 million followers. This place should be going absolutely crazy if they were very engaged.
- Robert Scoble
Hi Demi.You're a little late to the party. We are all worried they are going to shut us out of this nice little cozy club called Friendfeed and lead us back to the shark-infested waters of Facebook. We are still makin' hay while the sun shines. :-)
- Karma Martell
Well, if she's turned off real-time she might not even be seeing the comments yet, Robert. Or perhaps she made the post and left for dinner (west coast and all) and will check back later.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
...cool! welcome to FF. did you beat Ashton here?
- .LAG liked that
this is like a really really private party with only 198 following on friendfeed...Demi leave the party already?
- Rex Gradeless
LoL Hi Demi... Welcome to the FF Mob! Now go and spread some hate </extremesarcasm>
- teh Dork Knight aka Kenny
Lynn: see ya, sorry about the meanness. But it would be nice to see Demi actually chat for a few minutes so she could get a sense of the power of friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
Demi: I see you're here. And welcome to all the new people on FriendFeed. I'd like to see you (and Ashton) take part in the conversations here. ;)
- Dennis Jernberg
aggreed but bein mean isn't gonna make it happen
- Lynn
Maybe she is too awestruck at the magnificence of friendfeed to type. I am imagining her sitting there frozen with her mouth hanging open watching all of this going on.
- April Russo (app103)
yes, we would love to have Demi here.. long live friendfeed... i mean until its shut down!!
- Gtp19
Well, you're about to get a billion responses of course, but you should hook up feeds from other sites you use too, not just Twitter. Maybe a YouTube channel too? Or Flickr?
- Ciaoenrico
while wondering why twitter just..sits there lol
- Rob Sellen :o)
Demi this is my first time trying this after you. What is the difference between this and twitter? How did u find this?....Kim Goedde
- Kim Goedde
Kim: Look through the thread. There's lots of advice.
- Christopher A Carr
Kim, Demi hasn't been back on the thread to respond yet. I can't speak for her, but for me the biggest difference between FF and Twitter is the organization. If you send out a tweet you have to watch for @replies in response to that tweet, and they're kind of easy to miss. On FF when you make a post, all the replies to it are lined up underneath and it's much easier to follow (and take part) in the conversation.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Tina...You are one of the best Ambassadors for FF..Well said
- Bill Heslin
Well, that's a big part of it Sherrie. The inclusion of media is another big selling point (for me, at least). Here people can include images, files, audio, or video on their posts and I can see/hear it here. On Twitter there's always a clickthrough, an extra tab or window, etc... Perhaps I'm lazy, but I like being able to interact with it all in one spot =)
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Demi-are you getting paid to promote these sites? I have posted comments now and again and have never got 1 response from you......Kim Goedde
- Kim Goedde
Yes, I see posts that include the pics from my twitter account. Very cool.
- Sherrie Belken
PJ WRONG.. whatever Scoble says is the right thing for HIM to do... and it may work for you, or not.. just use the place and find you own rhythm here. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Kim... why does THAT bother you.... do you think you could repsond to all those 1.7 million odd? THAT is why we are trying to say to her here... you should see this thread.. but she hasn't yet been back it seems... NO-ONE owes you a reply.. we learn that the hard way ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
250+ subscribers and counting. I'm holding off for now, even if all the rest of the geeks are subscribing. Not following her on Twitter. Demi, you'd better give me a good reason to subscribe. *switches to wait & see mode*
- Dennis Jernberg
Robert:Same thing here as on Twitter. Only a "handful" of "followers/subscribers" engage.
- Dana Fosburgh
My one suggestion to you, since FriendFeed will probably be a high traffic place for you - check out Robert Scoble (scobleizer) and see how he handles high volume.
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
Yeah. When you join FF, it imports your Twitter follows. That's why I have over 120 subscriptions when I have only 75 subscribers: people on Twitter join, and I subscribe to them automagically.
- Dennis Jernberg
Hey Demi, welcome to Friend Feed. Hope all is well with you and those you love. Think about adding Robert Scoble to your Friend Feed list. He is the leading expert on all things Friend Feed, and usually is the first to give us heads up when something new is coming down the pike. Take care of you! =)
- SashaKane
If you use Firefox, download Yoono --a Firefox add-on that allows you to see Twitter, Facebook, Friendfeed in Firefox, and gives a central place where all can be updated simultaneously.
- Danny Groveman
I honestly only use FF to compile all my sites, almost never for discussions
- Allison Warnock
what a strange turn of events considering the situation at hand..a bit late. but better late than never i guess. Welcome to all the new users.
- Carlos Ayala
Glad to see you are here Demi, It's a pleasure.
- Sherrie Belken
Suggestions... Well, stop being cool about it and write something!..
- Timsah memet
just play around D and you'll figure it out
- Thomas Power
ok, i'm trying it too. just hope she doesn't try jumping off a bridge or i'm screwed
- Laurel howard
I' m new and trying this too. I see your comments from Twitter on this thing too, are they linked?-confused : (
- Rose
Glad to have you both join us, Laurel and Rose =) Rose, Demi is importing her Twitter stream into FriendFeed, that's why you see her Twitter items here. When you comment on one of her Twitter items here, there's a checkbox that will allow you to send that comment to her on Twitter as an @reply.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
its like when kawasaki popped in for a single conversation last month. must be hard to deal whe you get so many replies
- Robert Higgins
So many replies that aren't very welcoming don't help matters either.
- pea
In reality all we've gained by Demi Moore's brief appearance is a number of celebrity stalkers hoping to cut her off at one more cyber pass and get the one reply they're living their lives for. The best demonstration yet of Scobles 'who you follow, defines you'?
- 1x29
demi! we love you. just showed my daughters your 1986 classic movie about last night. they fell in love with you as i did!
- JNez
Has Scoble ever had 385 comments here? What's the record? ;O
- Rob Schieber
FF can be fun, emotional, crazy, and always entertaining. Just speak up when you see something interesting. Like Twitter, but more rounded. And don't mind the doom and gloom chatter that wanders around... some folks just don't handle change well. :D Welcome...
- Bette Cooper
I've had lots of threads more than 385. Here's a list: http://friendfeed.com/search... -- this is why the search here rocks. Click on "Advanced Search" and you can find answers to all these kinds of questions.
- Robert Scoble
Why can't you like a comment on FF? I hereby like that comment.
- Amy℠
You can sort of think of it as Twitter + a searchable, multimedia chatroom, that aggregates your web activity. You can have FF pull in your Youtube favorites, Amazon wish list, etc...
- Christopher A Carr
oh right.. maybe i should try again 2morrow when i havent had a drink, cause i dont get that at all
- Lin Hill
Lin, what exactly would you like to do on FriendFeed? Are you just wanting to aggregate your items from around the internet, have conversations with other people, etc? There are lots of different ways to use FriendFeed depending on what you'd like to get out of it =)
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Interesting to see what this thread has become, especially since Demi Moore has not checked back into FriendFeed since posting this.
- Justin Korn
ummm not sure what i want, think maybe i should leave quietly by back door
- Lin Hill
just follow people and comment now and then, thats all
- Lin Hill
Lin: I ask, because you are essentially tweeting with multiple people right now, without having to use @...
- Christopher A Carr
FF has *really* good search. Look for content that interests you. Comment and like, and people will subscribe to you...
- Christopher A Carr
Nah, leaving's not necessary Lin. Especially if you've had a drink: Friday nights on FriendFeed can be fun! If you'd like to see what FriendFeed looks like to be, check http://friendfeed.com/isthiss... That page is what FriendFeed looks like to me because of the people I follow (which is a lot, so you might want to pause it). I use FF to have fun and find good conversations. Other people use it for research, or business, or just to aggregate their material online.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
well, this is the most i`ve been tweeted to since i started, i dont feel invisible anymore!
- Lin Hill
Don't just import your Twitter like that ditz, Kim Kardashion. But do import what you feel and read and participate in posts. The key thing is participation on here from teaching something to learning something.
- Outsanity
Taking a look at your profile, I see that you're only following 12 people and not really commenting/liking all that much. That's probably why you're not getting a lot of interaction. Find some people that are interesting and interact with them on their posts. Once you start having conversations with people on their material, they get interested in what you have to say and are more likely to follow you back.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Imagine if Twitter included video and pictures in Tweets, and provided you with a threaded conversation to discuss your tweets... well, that's what you have here -- and that's just the beginning.
- Christopher A Carr
i didnt realise i even had 12, where did you find that out?
- Lin Hill
Has Demi checked back with us yet?? It will never be too late.
- Amani
Click on your name in the upper right hand corner, Lin.
- Christopher A Carr
it sounds good, i will keep at it 'practise makes perfect' and all that
- Lin Hill
That's exactly it, Lin =) Let us know if you have any other questions: it can be kind of confusing when you first get going...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
And can you imagine people helping you like this on Twitter? ;-)
- Christopher A Carr
Did you sign up to FriendFeed with your Twitter credentials, Lin? If so, it will subscribe you to the people you follow on Twitter that are on Friendfeed. It's not a big deal, really: all you do is hover over their name and click 'unsubscribe' if you don't want them.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
ok, thanks everyone, i`ll subscribe to all of you instead
- Lin Hill
FriendFeed Rocks ;) No need for anything else! Happy to have you on board!
- Nia
from fftogo
This one post may beat the longest post by Robert Scoble
- Outsanity
You kidding. The record is well beyond 1,500 comments....
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
Including replies? because I really can't stand full signatures on email replies. If there's a lot of back and forth, the signature just adds clutter and gets in the way of the content. I like it on the first email in the exchange and then a perhaps a shortened version thereafter.
- pea
Pea, I think that depends on the user's Outlook settings. It is optional.
- Louis Gray
But in terms of getting the message across that this company is connected, yes, this setup certainly makes that very clear.
- pea
Oh if only Gmail allowed some HTMLy signatures! :(
- Travis Koger
GMail receives the sig just fine. Tested there and .Mac and Outlook.
- Louis Gray
So in other words, they don't "get" e-mail? :)
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
If I saw an email signature like this, I'd click on all of the links just to see how active they are. Some people have all these accounts but aren't active, so what's the point? But of course this doesn't apply to you Louis. I'm just saying in general.
- Violet Mae Lim
Violet, these are active. I promise. :)
- Louis Gray
Robert, why show favoritism to Google? There's little actual social happening there so far.
- LogEx
But why make them click twice? That would just annoy me. EDIT: Also, I could maybe understand if the company didn't have its own site, but it does, why send them away from their own home on the web and give Google all that traffic?
- pea
Logical: I'm just having some fun with Louis. I personally hate tons of icons on things. So complicated. How do I pick? ;-)
- Robert Scoble
At some point, will you discuss the Paladin Advisor's Group more fully?
- DGentry
Robert has a free pass to tease or criticize anything I do. It's 100% fair game. I think Google Profiles aren't known well for folks to click through to yet. That said, Robert, bring it on. Here's the company's profile: http://www.google.com/profile...
- Louis Gray
And DGentry, yes, we can talk about Paladin soon. Promise.
- Louis Gray
Louis, I'm curious about the rationale for putting the Twitter link above the company website in the Google Profile?
- LogEx
LE: None. That's been fixed. :) Probably not thinking too much about it.
- Louis Gray
Logical: Twitter is the new website.
- Robert Scoble
Yes, e-mail is dead. It is also required in order to create an account on how many Web sites!?! I think I was required to link my OpenID account to an e-mail address. So much for Identitiy 2.0....
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
Louis - I like the links on the home page, but EVERY employee gets that? I can tell you that lots of storage people are going to be scared by all of the "interwebs" stuff. I <3 the Emulex guys and know they're trying to update their image, but I'd think that most of them have bigger issues that learning to explain what FriendFeed and SlideShare are when people look at them funny.
- Stuart Miniman
Stu, I think I should use the word "optional". It's optional to everyone and every e-mail. And it's fine if some conservative industries aren't ready yet. It's time to shake it up.
- Louis Gray
Is it using Wisestamp? Very nice. FYI - Wisestamp is free, works w/ Gmail, Posterous, even the links.
- Liza
Is this seriously your sig for emails? Bit busy don't you think? Wouldn't a push to their website that has the actual list be a better use of that space? Also with email clients that don't do HTML its going to be lost.
- Uncle CW™
The nice thing about Wisestamp is you can delete the icons in gmail, if it is going to someone who you think has no idea what Slideshare is. Otherwise, wd be a pain.
- Liza
In my training of employees on how to do a Email Signature, (where the corp hasn't stated a standard) is to plan for plain text clients. Have your information there. Do one font only and stick to that. Nothing fancy in the font either. Get the information there so that the recipients can contact you or get more information about you. Company Logo's are only if you really need them. Key thing is to provide a sort of Business Card (information how to get a hold of you) at the bottom of emails.
- Uncle CW™
I tend to fall into the plain text camp. my signature is as follows: " -- 505.652.2878 http://sarahvela.net @orchid8 everywhere"
- Blackeyed P
All the hyperlinks scream I'm spam & it will likely be treated as such by many mail programs.
- Rick Frank
Rick, very good feedback. It will be considered.
- Louis Gray
Too much. Too busy. I'd get rid of the office line, the link to lousgray.com, and definitely the emulex logo. Anyway that's just my opinion :)
- Eric Florenzano
They get it better than I do. I have to admit, I do not recognize all of those icons as they do!
- Randy Rambo
Office and mobile phone? You need Google voice. I was able to get a cool number, (areacode) 4 Julio F
- Julio F ~ @SocialJulio
Just a simple link to a homepage should be enough, small description about what you do, and phone numbers if you're into that kind of thing.
- Peter Stuifzand
Too many links in an email signature can cause the email to be flagged as spam. you need to test it out before using it. never can be 100% certain...
- Mike Nencetti
Are those custom icons, or something pulled from the web?
- Spencer
How does that degrade? Are there alt tags? Does the text/alternative or text/plain part properly remove the HTML and still preserve the pertinent information? Accessibility is just as if not more important than having something flashy IMHO. (Disclaimer: I use a text MUA and you'll get me to accept HTML mail sometime shortly after the sun suffers hydrogen exhaustion...)
- matthew john ernisse
yes but what's it mean? More is not bettter.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Personally, it seems way too cluttered to me. I would rather just have a link to a page on the company's website that lists all of their various connections. I'm almost as jaded to those icons as I am to banner ads. If I want to know about the company I will be looking at their website first, then their blog, then whatever other services interest me, but I'll always go to their website first. If that's not impressive then it doesn't really matter what they're doing in other spaces.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
they get it, but is it necessary? agree with others here that it's cluttered and sorta cliche already.
- Bill Kinney
Looks good to me. Simple. IMO, I would (1) bump name size +2 pts (2) maybe italicize title or choose different font, so it will jump out at you, but not as much as name (3) remove "www." from website. (4) I haven't seen this in real-life to look at overall point sizes. Often people's business cards need ALL pts sizes +2 to +4. As my 72-yr old Dad always reminds me, older people can't...
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- Mitchell Tsai
Simple and To The Point!!! The Purple " B" Logo...What Brand is That???
- @CtrlFollow
I had same question - never seen it!
- Susan Beebe
@louis - how'd you create a company google profile?
- andy brudtkuhl
Andy, A Google profile is just assigned to a GMail account. So if you create a centralized GMail account, you can make a company profile. This one, for example, is emulexinc@gmail.com. More on the strategy here: http://www.louisgray.com/live...
- Louis Gray
I think if they are all business related and it is for marketing- why not. There is another app nomee.com that does a card also. It is flash based so won't work on the iphone
- Kathleen Cercone
I love that Bret, Paul, and Kevin checked in. They probably are looking at their screens and asking "what do we do now?" how about ship some new features before Facebook overlords take you off to do bigger things?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I feel sorry for all you addicts. My use of it is purely social.
- Bruce Lewis
I do like FF and use it almost every day. Wouldn't it be great if FB either left it alone so we can continue to use it as "professionals," or somehow incorporate it into a more "mature" version of FB that didn't have all the annoying, time-wasting apps, games, etc. I'd much prefer a totally customizable FF "wall."
- Cathryn Hrudicka
I think FFundercats HO!!!!! would have worked but I'm here anyways.
- Jimminy Fuller
Actively fighting addiction to anything on a daily basis, but I'm still a FriendFeed fan! (I'd have been here sooner but I've been staring at Phoebe Cates pics for longer than I realized.)
- Mark "DerBingle" J
Thank you Robert Scoble to be here. :) BTW is this looks interesting for FF replacement? : http://streamy.com/ ? May be... I'll try it to see. :)
- Claude LaFrenière
Why should I? Whats in it for me? You doing some sort of survey of people to send out the police to do a "Safety Check" on when the site is shutdown?
- Uncle CW™
here. anecdote: a friend of mine just signed up for FF this evening. apparently the FriendFeed hype of the last 24 hours pushed him over the top. leaves me wondering whether FF has actually gained users today?it would be a crafty way of marketing the service. I'll wake up tomorrow to discover that there was a problem with the paperwork and the FriendFeed team have had a change of heart.
- JSLeFanu
from BuddyFeed
Count me in even though I was just starting to get hooked. I guess it's time to find a rehab and get all sobered up until the next relapse with some other new addiction. Isn't life grand?
- Usman Bashir
oh hey, look, the added an "add comment" link to the end of the comment list. Huzzah!
- Brett Kelly
from iPhone
++Jay. I was going to do the same thing yesterday but I didn't want to pay the money.
- David Cook
David -- this was a $9.95 session but you can get them for $7.95 and there are also 25% off coupons if you do online check-in prior to your Delta flight. That's an incentive for folks to use that service and offload kiosk use at the terminals. Very savvy marketing by the folks at GoGo and Delta combined.
- Jay Cuthrell
well, it's 12:12 a.m. and I'm perusing FF from my iPhone via BuddyFeed before turning in. so yeah, I guess I count. "Here!" (raises hand)
- Don Faulkner
from BuddyFeed
I recommend FF to some of my clients, and there are some companies and nonprofits with presences here—not like Twitter, but I'll be curious how that will be affected when FB takes over more. Most have FB fan pages, groups and/or causes, too.
- Cathryn Hrudicka
Yeah, me too. I just saw the request to have a comment link at the bottom of the comments from one of your friends just yesterday and here it is. I'd say they are listening. Thanks FF.
- Keith Rowland
И так чятег, пока Скобл не поговорит с нами представителями СовиетФрендфидика, все мои записи теперь можно читать в этом тредике. Пользуясь случае передаю Парню Бухайту и его команде большой привет, в связи с тем что [He can has sleep naw].
- ideali
превед кетаец! давай сегодня сделаем тебя счастливым!
- Махатма Бугоганди
точно! поэт, пародист, переводчик. известный блоггер.
- Махатма Бугоганди
я вчера был в издательстве, с меня сведения об авторе просят. давайте, говорят, напишем, где учился, что генеральный директор. и что известный блоггер.
- Махатма Бугоганди
а можно получить профессию известного блоггера? какие экзамены сдавать надо? какую специализацию лучше выбрать - микроблоггинг или аудиоподкастинг?
- Махатма Бугоганди
Один чувак пришол в чятег и говорит я известный блоггер кто тут тру на первый второй рассчитайсь. А ему говорят чувак у тебя сертификат есть что ты известный блоггер? Вот иди Зайке экзамен сдай потом приходи. А Зайка стоит такой с топором и улыбается. Щас думает счастливым его сделаю.
- Махатма Бугоганди
Я потерял интерес в данный момент. Я буду скрывать, как и любой другой. Это хромой, что вы захватили этот. Пивные правила. Спокойной ночи. :-)
- Matthew Horton
More than a friend of FriendFeed, was starting to use it as a full lifestreaming platform and loved it. It's made a whole lot of other sites make sense.
- achean
Hi, I'm Bette... I don't know if I'm an addict, but I can't stay away... I keep checking, just to see if something's new... and I cry if I get no responses to a post. Is that addictive behavior? :D
- Bette Cooper
Yup, I have blocked all the impersonators now. You will still see them, but I don't see them and they no longer can comment on any of my items.
- Robert Scoble
@scobleizer As far as I can see you have blocked not only the impersonators (who renamed themselves back the moment they found out you have a problem with this) but most of the folks who chatted there.
- Махатма Бугоганди
@meatreach yes, see next thread. Scobble becomes anti-Russian.
- Never Impersonate You
Maxatma: well, that's just too bad. I speak English. Sorry. People who don't speak English really don't have any business commenting on one of my items, except in rare cases.
- Robert Scoble
Why you, Robert Scoble, don't block users from Spain or Italy? China or arabic countries? Those users that comments on non-English languages?
- Never Impersonate You
@Robert, in fact they do speak English. But they also do make fun of Friendfeed and everything that's going on there. You can block them or take part in this fun. ;)
- Махатма Бугоганди
I prefer FF over twitter and facebook, but all my friends are on twitter and/or facebook. Maybe facebook will get it right this time now that it has acquired FF. If they simplify it a bit more without removing functionality. Then I would spend a bit more time on FB. Lets hope all goes well with the merger. If not I'm jumping ship and going over to Google Wave. oh wait, I'm going to go with Google Wave regardless! ;-)
- Captain Jack
Bu arada Russian friends Turkiye'ye selamlar gonderiyor.
- ideali
Oh, check FF.. doh FarceBook... my fingers are crossed in hope.
- Greig
@scobleizer i can speak english and i beg you to remove bann from all russian friendfeeders, because we are all from it-community, working in internet companies and we came with peace, you asked for feedback from friendfeed addicts — we show you how really it is being frf addicts, we change names, we chat, we making things that are not serious. Why so serious? Unlock people, they are not bots, they just playing the game of real addicts and have fun. Common.
- ideali
shaun: I started this post to demonstrate that a lot of us are still here and aren't likely to leave. At least not quickly. So, life goes on after FriendFeed gets acquired by Facebook. Point proved.
- Robert Scoble
Robert He says ; Our Russian friends say to hello to Turkey
- Osman Üngür
ideali: have them send email to scobleizer@gmail.com and I'll unblock anyone who says they weren't impersonating me.
- Robert Scoble
Hector: good morning! I need coffee.
- Robert Scoble
@robert yes they (we will) stay here, I think tat the migration process will take time and after reading @Paul Bucheit, I think that what we all are trying to get even if we don't say it explicitly is to preserve a kind of intimacy (beeing a part of the Huge faceBook community) don't mean that FF community will preserve their intimacy, why should a community be a plan one, (let imagine a community as a set of sub-community) that all.
- abdellah
Wow!! So many likes and comments; is it a record Rob?
- میر «عرفان» موسوی
@scobleizer thank you, for understanding. be cool, guys we just want have fun here a little. Take care.
- ideali
@Robert RE "I have enough noise in my life. I don't need to have more" - isn't it a lot of noise having 26K subscriptions and 46K subscribers on your frf account? I'm kind of surprised - you create a community that large around yourself, yet when you see a new and unusual activity you just block it right away.
- Махатма Бугоганди
@Robert, patience? Who's talking about patience? It's about curiosity, not patience. When something strange and unusual happens around you, you can either try to stop it or try to see what it can develop into. You choose to stop - and it stopped. Well, not stopped - just moved to some other place. And do you really know what it was and what it was about to bring you?
- Махатма Бугоганди
I'm here all the way from South Africa! I dig this service and I'm not quite ready to give it up. Regardless of the news about the acquisition, this remains an awesome service.
- Paul Jacobson
I'm new to ff but find more valuable information here than anywhere else!
- Janet Crance
I don't know how I rate my addiction relative to others, but I shared Hitler's reaction upon hearing the acquisition news (despite happiness for Paul and Bret)
- Chris Duffy
I'm sure this is part of Scoble's plot to poll all the people who really read his posts, and unfollow the rest. So I raise my hand.
- Shivanand Velmurugan
Just a wannabe. Not an addict (yet).
- Carole Hicks
It might also be a way for me to filter down my "following" count (diff (my followers, scoble)) are the only people I really need to follow. Those that scoble follows, I can safely unfollow and use Scoble as my social media filter :)
- Shivanand Velmurugan
pardon the arrogance but it really sucks this great forum of sharing will turn into a myspace humdrum. Now I have to find another SM where first adopters and well informed techies won't haft to compete with general "noise"
- earl wallace
Well, here's a comment I can later delete and rob the owner of 1500!
- Matthew DeVries
I just mention the 1500 mark since it was such an iconic query to see... that and the 500 Likes club of FF posts. It's pretty exclusive stuff... but it's also sobering to note that the subject matter required to get to these levels isn't always a uniform mix of cares/concerns.
- Jay Cuthrell
When I heard the FaceBook news, I tried to quit FriendFeed and I couldn't... I'M HOOKED
- The Web's Wendell Wittler
i clicked the "1488 more comments" and my computer nearly exploded. and yes, i am using an amiga 500.
- jack
Now that I have instructions (thanks LouisGray) and figured out my Bookmarklet! I am LOVING the ease of use! addict - not quite...
- Robyn Hawk
Actually, I lied. I am not a die-hard friendfeed fan. I desperately want to be but have just not been able to get into a good "feeding" rhythm. Maybe I need to add some more friends
- Anant Gairola
I don't need to be addict. I'm just here, everyday, absorbing so many geeky info :D There's no place like FF
- Lysender
I'm still with ya, Robert. Whatever FB paid for FF, it wasn't enough!
- Donald C. Lindsay
New here, but learning. Tips for best use?
- Barbara Langham
@bdlangam From my perspective the #1 tip in this category is: Explore and define "best use" for yourself. Despite potential "finishing" impression of some productive consolidations in this collective-collaborative cognition space, the emergent #cognosphere is still WAY too nascent to assert anything other than initial impressions. March to the beat of your own drum; build your own...
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- michael silverton
yeah sorry, late. was at Shambhala Music Festival, I know tardy, sorry...
- sofarsoShawn
I'm getting hooked, still figuring it all out
- Michele McGraw
I think I do. Not enough contacts to make a impression.
- Michael Schlag