Gillmor, is anyone from the FF team on your show this afternoon?
- Thomas Hawk
My guess would be he's probably been tired since Friday or so, Chris. :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
yes Paul Buchheit will be on Gilmor Gang at 4PM Pacific streamed on Twit.TV live
- Steve Gillmor
I can barely hear what Leo is saying.
- Dave Winer
Leo's spent the last few days trying to recover from a tricaster failure and has been tweaking levels on different services, getting resolutions reset on feeds, etc. The ustream feed seems to have the best audio at the moment: http://www.ustream.tv/channel...
- Ken Sheppardson
Paul Buchheit, Mike Arrington, Scoble, Dan Farber, Andrew Keen, and Kevin Marks.
- Ken Sheppardson
Mike says he's writing an article right now: "FriendFeed is in danger of becoming the coolest app no one uses"
- Ken Sheppardson
Mike sorta declares FF missed the boat and won't be able to overcome Twitter's lead/network effects. Paul's trying to defend the fact that they can/should be more than one company in the space.
- Ken Sheppardson
This realtime discussion is amazing... instant realtime chat room!
- Adnan
Mike is missing the standards conversation
- Kevin Marks
Thomas, it's great. I did turn off the replies to Twitter feature though...
- Karoli
Live blogging events pretty much changed overnight.
- Ken Sheppardson
I'd love to ask Paul, will there be any chance to give people the choice for run-Time instead of forcing it onto people. That's what I didn't like. Leave it an option.
- Molly, New Ears :P
That's actually a really good point: "Celebrities aren't coming to Twitter for conversation."
- Kevin Fox
I agree with Paul, personally I'm not interested in celebrities and Twitter has very little appeal for me. I'm far more interested in interesting tech and photography and for that FF is far more interesting a place.
- Thomas Hawk
Molly, just hit pause and manually refresh
- Karoli
The comment box needs to be above the comment stream so it doesn't get pushed of the bottom of the window if a couple of people post comments while you're typing.
- Phil Maxwell
Kevin: Ask what FF's runway looks like, will ya?
- Ken Sheppardson
Can't wait to hear it. When will it post to the web.
- Tom Parish
I am not giving Twitter or Facebook my content. They keep it
- Karoli
It would be interesting to pick any two: FriendFeed, Facebook, or Twitter, and assign those two arbitrary user counts where one had 10x the other, and then try to make the argument of how the underdog was doomed, or would eclipse the larger site.
- Kevin Fox
I can't understand why it's always a choice between FriendFeed or Twitter and not a choice between Facebook or Twitter. Boggles my mind
- Bwana ☠
When FriendFeed will tip: When people get sick of duplicating themselves across FB, Twitter, Flickr, Disqus, BackType, etc.
- Karoli
There are tautological arguments. Twitter is superior to Friendfeed because it's simple, but Facebook is superior to Twitter because it has more functionality.
- Kevin Fox
I don't think a direct 1-to-1 comparison of users is fair. Does a twitter user have the same value as a FF user under all the possible monitization schemes you can imagine?
- Ken Sheppardson
*sarcastic tone* Yeah get Paul off the line so we can trash FF. *rolls eyes*
- Molly, New Ears :P
FF is far superior to either for two simple reasons. 1. It's far better for conversations. 2. Visual representation is significant and in many ways can be more relevant than text alone.
- Thomas Hawk
I prefer friendfeed over twitter because it allows a conversation to beuch less fragmented. I can see the whole conversation rather than having to jump all over the place to pick up what is being said. Twitter is one on one im and not the group chat I prefer
- Iain
Mike has a very typical biz/VC approach to this it seems. Sorta limits the scope of what one sees it seems.
- Ken Sheppardson
We have real-time web around a real-time video show...
- Bwana ☠
When Paul says multiple services converging... does that mean he sees friendfeed, facebook and twitter eventually having the same functionality?
- Adnan
Adnon: No, it means he sees interoperability and a free flow of data between them.
- Ken Sheppardson
Adnan, since Facebook seems to copy everything FriendFeed does anyway... :)
- Karoli
Back in my day, we called this IRC... kinda cool it's on the web now
- Bwana ☠
"Why would you want a private room?" Because some people have friends in real life that they want to share with and not worry about random people on the internets messing it up
- Pat Hawks
Bwana: And we can search it, link to it, hop off form it into peoples' other stuff, etc.
- Ken Sheppardson
Adnan: Matt Cutts and Paul were talking about OpenSocial last Friday night... keep your eyes open.
- Ken Sheppardson
On Twitter, I know 50 people are telling other people to listen to Gillmore Gang. On Friendfeed there are several active conversations in realtime *about* the things that are being discussed on the show right now.
- Kevin Fox
Google at one point was far smaller than Yahoo. And then Google came along with better tech. Sometimes you actually can build a better mousetrap.
- Thomas Hawk
see how this realtime is limited to this thread....Guess what else can do that... LISTS!!
- Bwana ☠
friendfeed has metadata because they don't strip it from the incoming sources - twitter strips all of it but the source and the 140 characters
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
Lists of comments provide much more semantic connectivity than @ signs on Twitter
- Ken Sheppardson
@Bwana we will get use to it or find better ways to use it. It's just day 1 on this.
- Martin Añazco
someone in the chat room just said short statement metadata is useless. LOL.
- Karoli
@Ahmed I was hoping someone would say that.
- Karoli
Scoble's really on today. Making very good points.
- Thomas Hawk
Bwana, that is where I am, but old comments perhaps should be pushed away by new comments... right now, new comments push away the comment box instead.
- Philipp Lenssen
Here it is again...Explain again Robert lol
- Bwana ☠
if you have comments and likes!! you can filter!!!!!
- Ed Dale
Scoble knows how FF works far more than Arrington does.
- Thomas Hawk
meta data is sadly not a celebrity word :-)
- Ed Dale
Ken...but still, what if we want to communicate from FF. I have to leave to reply, can't send likes there. Even if it's not huge, it would center everything on FF
- Karoli
SOMEBODY get this link in front of Mike!
- Pat Hawks
Scobles been put on the spot so many times, he's improved all his arguments over time! :)
- Adnan
Ed - Let's make a cute name for it.. "Meta Meta" or "MoMeta"
- Bwana ☠
I like how the company founder just sits back and let's Scoble explain stuff. Robert is FriendFeed's "Goose", re the Top Gun analogy earlier today.
- Ken Sheppardson
@Karoli I think he is just on the show to make people angry...
- Ahmed
Oohh also, use the scroll function in the browser, activated using the mousewheel/mousebutton3 and just set it to scroll to the bottom of the page, once it hits the last item, it won't scroll until a new item is added by friendfeed.
- Viran
Ed, I disagree. The Twitterati lists combined with lack of track mean it will be elitist. that's how they want it. Like Google weighting toward corporate sites in their results
- Karoli
Sometiemes trolls are nice to have around.
- Thomas Hawk
I'm on Twitter because my site's readers are there, too.
- Chris Baskind
Chrome seems to handle the ajax in a little smoother way on the thread page
- Amyloo
wow, this is long. I like the trend with FF. They just need to give me some numbers that will boost my ego and I'll switch over.
- Nick Gonzalez
Chris: I thought a troll was somebody who tried to incite you into responding.
- Ken Sheppardson
@Philipp Lenssen Same issue here. I need to scroll down constantly to play catch up with the ever growing conversation. Hopefully there will be a fix for that.
- Rolf Schewe
Mike, this could never happen on Twitter.
- Thomas Hawk
So how does the plugging of networks happen? Open Social? Why won't they talk about that?
- Adnan
Yeah a comment button on the BOTTOM of the feed!!!!!!!!!!!!1 yeah! thanks for listening to my request for this earlier today!!!!1 woooo hooo!
- Susan Beebe
twitter and friendfeed work well together
- Ed Dale
REALTIME BLOG -- Try real time comments when people aren't on your blog using IM for the hundreds of millions of people on their desktop
- Angus Logan
So we've went from it'll fail, to "I want this"
- Bwana ☠
Ok must go... hubby wants BEEEEEEEER :) sorry to hit and run
- Susan Beebe
Susan: Yes, when you're viewing an individual post.
- Ken Sheppardson
I will crush the enemy social media and drive them before me and hear the lament of their users.
- Tony C
The summary: Twitter has already changed the game. FF could maybe change the game, but whether it will remains to be seen. We are still in the early stages of how this stuff works. Obviously, Twitter and FF (and dozens of other services) aren't mutually exclusive.
- Albert Willis
will be fun to read while listening to the recording, though
- Amyloo
I do agree with Arrington: realtime FF is nice, but is it the game changer that Steve Gilmore's post implied? Not yet--at least not for most people.
- Albert Willis
less than a month... and with full keyboard shortcuts!
- Jérôme Flipo
You need to promote it to your niches - Thomas to Photographer for example :-)
- Ed Dale
I like how a comment thread is also a topic oriented chat room that can be archived and linked to unlike traditional chat room conversations that disappear once you close them.
- Rolf Schewe
Philipp: Each person could eal with them individually: block
- Ken Sheppardson
Everybody can make their own judgement what's spam
- Ken Sheppardson
Rolf - Yeah this is a lot more IRC-feeling isn't it.
- Mitch
I've had this running as the lead items on my Flickr page all day. I'm trying to promote FF at Flickr and other photography related places as much as I can. Love seeing great photos on FF.
- Thomas Hawk
is direct message here a new thing, or just something i never noticed?
- Amyloo
this doesnt auto scroll on Mac/Firefox FYI ... i have to keep scrolling to catch up
- Garys Wine
@Daniel Boehmisch I thought so, others may disagree, but I am going to give it a try over the next few days and see how smooth it runs...but I agree a dedicated app would probably be better
- Jeffrey Marsh
Watching this on post on Twit.tv while watching it on Friendfeed. Yo Dawg...
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
there's been very little spam in FF. When you do see it it's almost sort of fun.
- Thomas Hawk
Well, Ed, but in threads like this you see everybody. Not just the folks you're following.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ed, I was talking about specific comments in this thread, which show even when you're not following the person... and I didn't notice any block button when hovering over a name.
- Philipp Lenssen
All thats missing is a realtime list of whos all currently viewing this page.
- Tony, Paradox of FF
@Bwana are going to make a tutorial on how to use Filters???
- Ahmed
lol 16 new results on "Gillmor Gang" on Twitter since Kevin Fox posted it.... and 200 new comments here. We win.
- Bwana ☠
Twhirl client shipping tomorrow: looking foward to see what it does!
- Patrick Chanezon
I tell you what, next time I liveblog something, I'm just opening up a FF thread and going to town.
- Phil G
I've managed to read everything, but could not parse the voice. will have to listen to recording
- Amyloo
Editable chat rooms ... the wave of the future!
- Garys Wine
I'm with Andrew Keen on this one. I find this all hard to understand, and therefore tiresome. So there. I want something simple and compelling
- Francine Hardaway
from IM
yes, we have the swarm/river/whatever... now we need to figure out how to give users the ability to manage scarce attention.
- Brian Roy
You can scan friendfeed but how do you scan a discussion thread such as this?
- Adnan
Jérôme, you're giving me an idea about animated ASCII art here :)
- Philipp Lenssen
will this thin thread just keep digging down until it hits china?
- clewellyn
That window issue sounds like it would be tough on the Android
- Keith Barrett
Shoot. I have to go to work yet. Is lunch over yet?
- Ken Sheppardson
im still using cleaner friendfeed V2 bc the beta cleaner doesnt look much better than the beta ui, aside from what V2 already does.
- Tony, Paradox of FF
I tried the FF Facebook app. 1. It looks abandoned, and 2. I see Facebook as a subset of my overall social content and FriendFeed as my hub.
- Rolf Schewe
We had similar problems with the last Beta Friendfeed release, Digg says "This link does not appear to be a working link. Please check the URL and try again." Friendfeed might be sending the wrong http header for Digg.
- Philipp Lenssen
63283 chars of minified javascript: nice job Bret!
- Patrick Chanezon
digg submit didn't work, even with link from friendfeed.com (not beta)
- jcunwired
"Twitter is currently down for unscheduled maintenance". We did it, didn't we?
- Jérôme Flipo