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@newsgang did i miss the story why there's been no new Gillmor Gang in a month?
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re: no new Gillmor Gang releases, see this discussion http://ff.im/33MBi
- Karoli
Gillmor Gang records realtime Saturday 3PM Pacific live.twit.tv
- Steve Gillmor
Is the full episode with the arrington leo feud available anywhere? I definitely miss GG - best souce of tech conversation out there.
- andrew
Are the shows being archived anywhere?
- Costa Walcott
Someone's bootlegging the audio since steve isn't releasing it in a timely fashion http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill...
- Chris Heath
GillmorGang2009.04.28 - http://www.archive.org/downloa...
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I can see why Steve wants to release this as video, it sounds like a classic episode. The Loren Puppet calling up Scoble had me howling. Arrington is golden too
- Christian Burns
Absolutely, I don't see why he wants it on Youtube though. blip.tv to a great service, they distribute Calacanis' new show. You can stream via flash or download the 300-600MB mp4 file, directly or in itunes: http://thisweekinstartups.blip.tv/rss
- Jack
This is one of my favorite Gillmor Gang episodes. Once Steve says the closer, the magic kicks in.
- Christian Burns
youtube streams to iPhone
- Steve Gillmor
SteveGillmor YouTube only streams certain videos to the iPhone, and 1:40 hr of streaming YouTube is not a valid form of consumption for many of us.
- Christian Burns
YouTube will stream Gillmor Gang video. when Google enables downloads those who like that mode will again have it
- Steve Gillmor
Steve, do you have a YouTube channel?
- Diego Barros
yes I do, but we haven't started uploading to it yet
- Steve Gillmor
so I have to thank Jack for alerting me to the new feed. But Steve, what's the strategy behind the "open" radio silence this time? Is it because you are still tinkering with the video set-up and want to turn this into a video show?
- Sebastian Keil
OK, cheers. Thought I'd missed an announcement about it. Look forward to it. My GG podcast feed has been dry for a long time now and I've been suffering withdrawal symptoms.
- Diego Barros
it is a video show. working with google to restore downloading, once that's set will start uploading
- Steve Gillmor
Will there be an mp3 made availible? Some people don't want to/don't have the time to watch.
- Jack
I'd also like an mp3 version if possible. I listen in my car. If I have too, I'll grab the video and just listen but would prefer a smaller size audio only version.
- Jeff Weber
Count me in for mp3 also. Can't watch in car and don't need/want 3-600mb to listen.
- PXLated
So I guess that answers our question finally. You don't intend on releasing mp3s of the Gillmor Gang, which is fine as long as Jack is posting bootleg mp3 to the bootleg gillmor gang rss feed. Glad that Open Realtime web can still be timeshifted by fans.
- Christian Burns
If Steve releases video it will save me recording it live, I'll just re-encode. Which will be better than leaving my recorder on for six hours to find the show has been rescheduled when I was out.
- Jack
Jack, thanks for making the effort. Would it help to find out when it's live the first time?
- Christian Burns
Christian: Not quite sure what you mean by "when it's live the first time" but Leo should just keep the twit live calendar http://www.google.com/calenda... up to date, and not keep moving things around.
- Jack
I missed GG last week when it was moved to Friday unexpectedly, and thanks to Dave making the torrent availible, I was able to listen. However, according to the calendar, next week it will be on Friday again. It was last week's rescheduling that motivated me to create the bootleg feed, I had been tuning in live since the official feed went dead.
- Jack
Shutting off likes and comment forwarding from FF to T; complaints from the folks over there, real estate concerns. Come to FF for full feed
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I turned off comment forwarding but left likes on, because likes spark discussion. The problem with completely bifurcating the two is that it leaves no bridge from one to the other and back. Friendfeed is great, but many, many of my friends are not going to make the jump. I like the bridge I get with 'liking' but not sending comments.
- Karoli
sad
- Steve Gillmor
Well, now they won't see my response. Maybe they need more news on the OctoMom rather than what I have to offer.
- Aron Michalski
plus, all their @ replies just sit there in the silo, never to be seen unless I use another client or actually use the twitter page, which is rare now.
- Aron Michalski
you can pull in their replies via RSS, can't you?
- Karoli
actually, no you can't. I set up a twitter search on my name and pull in the @replies via the RSS feed as an imaginary friend.
- Karoli
I certainly don't mind seeing your likes and comments in my twitterstream.
- motownmutt
seems like this is going in the wrong direction, why would it be so hard to set up a truly competing twitter?
- Michael Metz
Your comments on FF are Twitter worthy. You should send those over at least. They have a link to the greater conversation.
- Christian Burns
Thank you Christian and Mutt. A strange crisis of faith averted.
- Aron Michalski
yeah, i had everything going over to twitter, but then after a gillmor gang and a twit (or two) i decided that I was filling up my twitter feed (that i don't really use that much anyway) with a lot of junk - so i turned off comments and kept the likes
- Chris Heath
Attention Friendfeed: maybe yet another box/switch within the continuing comment interface a la the initial comment you have so that when the real time flow gets hyper busy we can opt in/out the pummeling of our Twitter pals... EDITED once I figured out a better way to clarify...
- Aron Michalski
As the instigator of @aronski's crisis of faith... I feel I ought to chime in. I am interested in in the "interesting and I share with you" links... and the freedom to opt into a conversation around something that catches my interest. I don't want conversation shoved down my throat in Twitterland. I visit FF to see who is talking about what. on another note... Steve Gilmor is "sad" your judgement or how you feel about this subject?
- Gary Gold
Gary, I do understand that viewpoint, especially if you are used to seeing a fairly tame timeline rather than one jumping off the page with one person's replies. Aron's idea for having a toggle to stop sending replies from the same discussion over is a great one...I'm going to put it in the suggestion room. That way one comment from a discussion could cross, and the rest would be here if the first one sparked interest from a twitter friend.
- Karoli
In my case, the "sad" was just well timed because I was very uncomfortable about responding to you the way I did. It wasn't about you; it was about how my damaged co-dependent side knee jerks in order to never anger anyone and damn how I actually feel about it.I had to think about it for a while and probably over reacted in the other direction (another fine character defect). The up...
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- Aron Michalski
i really like the idea of having the option to turn off sending to twitter all but the first comment in a friendfeed discussion
- Chris Heath
Chris, I dropped that into the Friendfeed Suggestions room...hoping it's not tough to implement. It would solve a lot of problems.
- Karoli
cool - i think that would go a long way to fostering more cross network discussion
- Chris Heath
What happened to the Gillmor Gang? I can't seem to find the latest episodes anywhere. Are they only doing live now?
I've just started getting into using my iPhone for podcasts. The Gillmor Gang seems to talk about cutting edge trends and direction of technology with some of who I know to be the top inside SV tech reporters. So yeah, but your right, like any talk show they kind of ramble on sometimes. But they are entertaining and informative.
- John Wright
I liked being able to get them from iTunes on my iPhone. But now the last one on there is from 4/19 , I'm sure they've recorded more since then. Thanks for the link Robert!
- John Wright
You can put this into itunes: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/TheGill...
- Jack
We're hoping Google allows us to release the video for downloading via YouTube. Please bear with us.
- Steve Gillmor
SteveGillmor what about just an audio version?
- Christian Burns
Real Time News to take step forward today - http://scobleizer.com/2009...
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See you at 4 p.m. Pacific Time today.
- Robert Scoble
Is this it?: http://newstimeline.googlelabs.com/
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: no.
- Robert Scoble
Jesse: is that real time news? No. So how could these two be connected?
- Robert Scoble
I tried the above link - no future news? Now that would be useful :-)
- Robert O'Callaghan
Looking forward to checking this out after my Calculus quiz this afternoon.
- Brandon Titus
The story is that Scoble has figured out how to clone himself *and* has purchased all remaining stock of iPhones so he will actually be able to just follow everyone around in real-time and tweet about it.
- Kevin Kuphal
Kevin: funny! I can't afford that many iPhones, though.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I hear that the iPhone flopped in South Africa. You can get millions of them cheap there. :)
- Dominic Jones
It's the second coming of PointCast!
- Richard Matthias
Its the Direct Neural Interface he alluded to a little while ago.
- DGentry
Any Hints?
- Nerkez
could it be the new scobleizer.com?
- andy brudtkuhl
or building43.com...
- andy brudtkuhl
A sane real-time interface for monitoring Twitter/Friendfeed trends for breaking news that incorporates location awareness where possible? Something along the lines of what that company did for SXSW, but better. A combination of jabber/xmpp, JS, and HTML (like drop.io) would be really cool. If it's Flash, not as exciting, for me at least.
- Chip Ramsey
If it is something along those lines, I hope they use fewer buzzwords than I just did.
- Chip Ramsey
Oracle bought Sun?! Woosh - I missed that one. You're my news hub, Robert.
- Laura Norvig
Counting and waiting !! Real Time NEWS !! ... secret weapon for news?? but news in Real Time !! i am waiting that for years !! trending topics from all over the world or just USA ? could it be by country ? Dinamic like FF real time ? We need to put together FF and Terry Jones !!
- Rocky
It is what you were telling me about:-) Send me an invite, please...
- Francine Hardaway
francine pls add twitter to yr friendfeed streams
- Steve Gillmor
Robert did you reveal the tool you use for this somewhere? Or did you decide to release it later? Very interested in this.
- Hans Eisenman
I was talking about SkyGrid. I gotta go to Facebook right now, but let's talk tonight. I have some more invites to hand out too.
- Robert Scoble
Love that you respond, man. You put the social in "social media".
- Hans Eisenman
April 20?
- Blake
Man, I should've checked the date. My first reaction to seeing this bumped was "Oh, great, another secretive new step forward for real time news when we still haven't been able to use the last on yet." I'm glad we're still talking (or not talking) about SkyGrid. Maybe some day we'll be able to use it.
- Ken Sheppardson
This is how real-time interactivity/information flow will be gamed...'market timers' who drop their content into the stream at peak traffic times. I'm getting frustrated by the randomness of what is seen and not seen, and the fragmented holes in conversation.
Ian Murdock, Matsis, Tom Landini and 8 other people liked this
I've seen another "phenomenon" with Feedburner for example, where the release of eddied data all at once, especially during rush hour.
- Aron Michalski
This could certainly a way to manipulate the market, releasing keywords at certain times en masse for pay, creating false buzz.
- Aron Michalski
It has made me not care to use the "share" function on Google Reader, it's "convenience" resulting in a torrent of pent up posts that aggravate followers and cause certain times to become really impossible to read in real time style.
- Aron Michalski
it's that, and then the conversations themselves. If, for example, one posts to Twitter and brings their Twitter stream into friendfeed, the stream moves so rapidly it just scrolls out before it's ever seen. If one posts to friendfeed and sends to Twitter, the message is truncated which aggravates the crap out of folks on twitter. Then there's the ones like steve who don't send their...
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- Karoli
which is leading me to scream TRACK TRACK TRACK
- Karoli
not sure what you mean. I send all public comments to twitter, or at least the setting is checked that way.
- Steve Gillmor
Scouring all services and finding missed responses every few hours is something that TRACK would solve but due to Twitter's political decision to withhold their billion dollar feature, it's just a manual workaround in an automatic system. But that isn't the complaint as this thread started; it's the manipulation of the real time flow for profit and carpetbombing usage.
- Aron Michalski
steve, because I do not have the ability to track you on twitter, i have to resort to a saved search. twitter search is fucked up, evidently.
- Karoli
what's twitter?
- Steve Gillmor
aron, yes, it began that way, but the complaint stemmed from the fact that this time of day seems to be the twitter link dump time, where everyone drops their stuff into the stream and buries me, and then I miss the stuff I really want to see. And on the flip side, everyone else gets buried too...so that if I dare to post a link to a post or whatever, it also is likely to be buried missed and ignored.
- Karoli
steve, yeah. what is twitter? :)
- Karoli
most posts are buried, missed, or ignored
- Steve Gillmor
What's search? How can you be in Two Places at once when you're not any Twitter at all?
- Aron Michalski
oy. have at it guys...you just went out into the ozone.
- Karoli
Some of the best parts of my act have never been seen in primetime...
- Aron Michalski
If Google Wave lives up to the hype then the holes will be plugged.
- Jim Posner
Well, if the conversation is impossible to locate, search or track, we're back to listening to listening to the only radio station we can pick up where we're driving.
- Aron Michalski
Maybe we should set a time and talk all at once...no wait, that was NGL...
- Aron Michalski
[self-edited non-response here] good thing you can't see what i almost typed as i typed it.
- Karoli
Does anyone know if the NewsGang Live show might start back up?
- Wo
Yeah, the term Wave Crash will probably pick up some steam...
- Aron Michalski
Wo: I think we may be archived.
- Karoli
And again, wouldn't it be cool if the "20 more comments" marking jumped up a point size or changed color when it hit 20,30,40,etc...?
- Aron Michalski
We've been "boxed" like faulty Cylons...
- Aron Michalski
Aron, yes.
- Karoli
Karoli: Archived meaning no new episodes from the gang?
- Wo
Wo: Gillmor Gang records on Friday afternoons. Newsgang has been on..er...extended hiatus.
- Karoli
NGL was released on it's own recognizance...
- Aron Michalski
evidently there's not much recognizance. LOL.
- Karoli
while we're at it, why is Google Wave being referred to as a service by the tech writers? Seems to me it's more of a protocol.
- Karoli
Back in 1997 I remember reading this article about David Gelernter's Lifestreams http://www.wired.com/wired... It seems as if Google Wave will finally realize this vision of temporally contextualized data streams.
- Jim Posner
can't believe criticism of POTUS for going to a broadway show. unbelievable.
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can't believe you're not ignoring those morons
- Steve Gillmor
I like the arts! Perhaps if Obama understands the arts, we can get proper funding. I love Obama!
- Wo
Agree with Gillmor. Morons all over the place this weekend. Ignore, Ignore.
- Francine Hardaway
Agree with FH and SG. Put them in the "beneath notice and contempt" file and ignore the living shit out of them. Giving them attention gives them power.
- Dave Slusher
I always agree with Gillmor. Well... I agree with Gillmor on some..stuff...... from time to time....mostly.
- Wo
With the Marion the Contrarian vibe, he could eat pork BBQ, go to church 3 times, wave the flag at a NASCAR race, strangle kittens, shoot off automatic weapons inside city limits and they still would find a way to call him a socialist quiche water. Blinders on.
- Aron Michalski
from BuddyFeed
For the record, I try to ignore the morons, then they swarm around me like a bunch of mosquitoes until I'm annoyed enough to say something. Yes. Blinders are on. Guns are locked and loaded. Wingnuts are everywhere. Not sure if it's better to close my eyes and ignore them or think about target practice.
- Karoli
I think Obama should treat this ridiculous rabid kneejerk criticism as a liberating opportunity. There is literally NOTHING he can do to avoid it, so fuck it. Do exactly whatever he wants, criticism be damned. My worst fear - he already is.
- Dave Slusher
Dave, you're right. He should just go for it. I mean, give them something to work with and have fun with it.
- Aron Michalski
Is everyone here still pretty up on Obama?
- Wo
So...how much did W's many, many vacations cost us? I think the occasional Date Night is really okay.
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
I'm up on the POTUS, regardless of who it is. If the most powerful person in the world wants to go see a play with his woman, and he's willing to pay for the tickets and snackbar items, then he should be able to do it. The reason he needs security is not due to his seeking out potential assasins. The need comes from the possibility of an outside threat to him, because of the office he holds. If I have to pay an extra 2 bucks a year in federal taxes to make this possible, so be it. I'm willing to do it!
- Morgan Haley
I'm up on Obama or UOO
- Wo
Britt of Twitter on "track" - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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Video snippet just for Steve Gillmor.
- Robert Scoble
can't get past "loading". try Youtube robert
- Steve Gillmor
Drat. Uploading this 90 second clip of Britt who runs Twitter's UX team sucks. I think I could take a hard drive to Steve faster. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
not that I don't know what he says (or doesn't)
- Steve Gillmor
Heh. They are crying inside.
- Robert Scoble
Steve Gillmor, try it again. I just checked and the video loaded great for me on the first try in high quality.
- Louis Gray
I'd like to see them cry on the outside....
- Cliff Gerrish
the tears of a clown...
- Aron Michalski
of course, the problem with 'saved searches' is that at any given time, search can be as much as an hour behind.
- Karoli
Crocodile tears?? :)
- Bill Heslin
I have just asked the question about Track. Originally implemented as part of XMPP stack. Saved search replaces part of track. #140tc
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I got video of this answer. If I had bandwidth I would upload it. Basically Britt said that not having IM-based track makes the team "cry inside." But Britt wouldn't tell us when we're getting it back.
- Robert Scoble
when friendfeed implements it
- Steve Gillmor
Twitter will find a way to farm out everything, including the fail whale... Maybe Sea World.
- Aron Michalski
Steve: Alex told me off stage that Twitter is coming out with many features that will look like they are competing with friendfeed and Facebook. It's clear that they are changing direction away from their religious "keep it totally simple" approach and we'll see that change soon.
- Robert Scoble
Yes. Not having Track makes the team"cry inside. " That sounds lovely.
- Francine Hardaway
Steve, you would have been proud of me. I went beyond my own boundaries:-)
- Francine Hardaway
I am proud of you
- Steve Gillmor
He told me that Twitter will come with features that look like "likes" and "comments" and other metadata like location info per tweet. It's clear that they see that they are getting their ass kicked in search and that they better change to head off the challenges not just from friendfeed, but from Google and Facebook.
- Robert Scoble
will be interesting to see them in hurry up mode
- Steve Gillmor
Is there any way we can get a Twitter/Pagliacci mash up going?
- Aron Michalski
gee can't wait until we can talk in realtime... oh wait
- Steve Gillmor
Interesting Robert I'm looking forward to learning more about their future offerings. He was quite aloof in answering the question. Figured something was in the works
- Jim Goldstein
"There's a fine, fine line between clever and stupid..." And aloof and being without an answer.
- Aron Michalski
I trust nothing they say. It's a non-event to me, because this is standard. They take a moment out from their celebrity tour to address the geeks with sad statements of teary-eyed regret and then do whatever the hell they want anyway with no attention to their community whatsoever. This is how they roll. Let them shed tears where it matters.
- Karoli
Francine, I just noticed your LinkedIn profile here on FF points to someone else entirely.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Wow, Daniel, that's hilarious. Is it someone good?
- Francine Hardaway
Sure! "Director, Intellectual Property at University of South Carolina" sounds pretty cool to me.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Anybody care about Google Reader bundles?
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No
- ld
I'm still using NetNewsWire because it works the best for me, but this looks really good!
- nick
no...
- Roland Hörmann
I made two bundles. They will be ignored like the contents within them. Only 4 people share with me.
- Jay Cuthrell
Not really, but Google Reader makes my world go around. It's a top notch web-app.
- Wo
yes. I use Google Reader a great deal - if I can start to see bundles from more people I welcome the chance to see my friend's (and others) curation of the web - what they choose to bundle together, how they label it, I hope and expect it will highlight some new and interesting things for me. I also plan on sharing a number of bundles I create that reflect the sorting I've made of the feeds I read
- Shannon Clark
Nope. Adding social features to Google Reader seems like a desperate afterthought.
- Tech Introvert
Rather make a bundle...
- Aron Michalski
no, stop using Google reader awhile ago, nothing about bundles makes me want to start using it again
- Kim Landwehr
no hasn't opml been around for like a decade?
- BryanSchuetz
no...
- Karoli
I care about it as much as I care about Twine. I read Twitter and post to FriendFeed. As much as I would like the read and post everything on FF, it won't happen until I can pull in my follow list natively without using the makeshift imaginary friends method. I have reduced my Google Reader usage dramatically.
- Rolf Schewe
remember attention.xml, Steve?
- Kevin Marks
Yes - in that we can help others who rely on RSS to find similar blogs. It's like playlists on iTunes.
- Louis Gray
I think it legitimizes the idea of people bundling up all their public feeds into a single OPML file (whether as a GReader Bundle or something they host themselves), and let the subscriber then trim the feeds they don't want.
- Kevin Fox
yes I do Kevin. attention.xml was about implicit metadata, not explicit sharing. Apples and oranges.GR needs to mine the new stream.
- Steve Gillmor
Yeah. I can recommend my favorite marketing blogs to one friend, tech blogs another, and photo blogs to yet another.
- Peter Warnock
Maybe you tech pros don't, but it could be a HUGE deal for people unfamiliar with social media. Now I don't have to spend hours explaining RSS and blogs to people. I say, "hey, login to your Google account, click Reader, then choose this link, and you'll be setup with a bunch of cool stuff." Now I can get my mom, my boss, and my peers (lawyers, not tech geeks) interested and following blogs in just a couple clicks.
- Maxwell Kennerly
yes, the feature makes a lot of sense, i hope people use it and share their bundles publicly.
- peter cowan
we should care and ask for or build our own better features. oddly enough, i wrote an actual blog post about it this morning - http://asu.ms/4ZpgQR
- kris smith
No
- Fred Zelders
Yeah
- Nicholas James
I really liked the GoogleReader bundles for being able to grab a ton of RSS feeds and bring them into a room here on FriendFeed -Now I can see the stories easily and still find them easy if I close the page they were on. (and I have an excerpt to read of most of them here helping me to decide if I want to click the link)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
from PeopleBrowsr
Guilty of contempt prior to investigation, I set up a bundle to catch the items that fall through the twitter/FF/no longer scanning Reader crack and find that with the exception of the Google Feedburner/RSS delay it's an interesting way to get wanted items into the FF page for easy liking and commenting. I also see it as a stopgap to add Twitterers who have not made the jump/xerox to FF...
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- Aron Michalski
no
- Jamie
wha? yeah i do
- Zee.
Gillmor invented a whole new language. RT @stevegillmor: Joeandrieu not about intent explicit games implicit lerages affinity. Gestures 101 - http://twitter.com/davejoh...
4 or 5 years ago
- Steve Gillmor
TV isn’t TV anymore. It’s just the largest screen in the house. - http://fredwilson.vc/post...
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be careful Fred, you're implying that TV is ... :)
- Steve Gillmor
D-E-A-D. Dead!
- ...Vezquex
Very true. With the Mac Mini plugged into it its now the photo album and music centre, as well as a place to research together online
- Kevin Marks
O_o
- Michael Forian
I got that very same vibe my last semester in school. BitTorr+Modded xbox+Gigabit Wifi on the Home network==Cable/Dish is dead. As of now I invoke the FiF(http://www.students.stedwards.edu/jschanz...).
- Adi
what's TV? my computer is hooked up to an LCD screen. With a wireless remote and keyboard (and MS Media Center remote). I can't tell what is this "TV" and what is Web content.
- Brad_King
TV is not dead, but it will be called youtube ;)
- Stanislas Jourdan
Michael. Arrington. Elaborate.
- ...Vezquex
Until everyone has speeds on a par with cable or fiber internet cable and dish tv are going to be around for awhile. I can't realize what many of you have in your home setups with DSL speeds.
- jcunwired
I am constantly amused by people that think THEIR own experience is universal. There are still a LOT of people that still pay $100+ for TV via Cable and will for many years to come (not me btw)
- Don Strickland
@Don: I don't think people *will* pay because cable and tv networks will begin to create experiences like the Netflix box, ect. The experience will be far easier than say my set-up at home (which isn't even really difficult, you know, if you know what you're doing ;). The plug-and-play interface for Web/Streaming (eg hulu, netflix) and other devices will be here far sooner than "years to come". But yes, like Records and Tapes, some folks will still opt for paying the extra $50-100 bucks.
- Brad_King
Early adopters (I am one) love to proclaim the thing they just stopped using is now over. I should do some kind of timeline depicting the years between first predictions and fade to black of various technologies. I suspect the typical range is around 10-20 years or more ... and sometimes the old actually outlives the 'new'. I'm just saying, predictions of doom for old tech just make me yawn now.
- Don Strickland
@Don: well, I'm not sure what "doom" you think I predicted. I was writing about the convergence of this stuff at Wired a decade ago (and my media center has been my tv since 2003). As I pointed out, the advent of the truly integrated set-top experience like Netflix + even Apple's foray into this, along with the business behind this, will likely push consumers towards this. In other...
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- Brad_King
Brad, I could design and set up such a system in my sleep. However, there's a good chunk of the population that doesn't have access to the kind of bandwidth required to set up a full entertainment system relying solely upon internet content. Unfortunately, I must rely on dish much of my content for the foreseeable future.
- jcunwired
@jcunwired: absolutely true. I am from + live in Appalachia, in the second most poverty-stricken state. I am familiar with the divide; however, we crossed the 50 percent threshold for broadband in the US a few years back. It's simply a matter of time and my guess is the business model for this will begin to change once we're at 70 percent. (Those cable companies aren't worried about those folks who live in rural areas.)
- Brad_King
@Brad: well, I guess my response here is more to @vezquex and others who shout the end is near. So to be clear, I actually don't disagree with your "TV isn't TV ...". I DO disagree with Verquex, Adi and similar. I also watch most 'TV' on my mini (with 3 tuners), or another mini driving my 46" 'TV'. But the end of yesterday's TV will only come when SOMEONE offers a solution easy enough for all the folks that are NOT interested in computers hooked to 'TVs' ... imo.
- Don Strickland
I predict, the media center stuff we see today will get more complex (unfortunately) for a few more years (like 'PCs' 78-82) and then some disrupter will rock the market (kind of like Mac rocked DOS) 3-5 years from now. Then around 2015 - 2020 today's TV giants will actually start to topple and fade.
- Don Strickland
Sports & Live News. Got that on Boxee? Yeah, let me know when live broadcast on the Internet doesn't mean the Gilmor Gang.
- Cristo
@Cristo: I get every baseball game live through MLB.tv; and I get breakdowns and highlights. I don't need cable for that.
- Brad_King
Brad, are you watching the Lakers vs Nuggets game today?
- Cristo
@Cristo: nope (although I wouldn't anyway). That's because ESPN and the NBA put together a bad deal. They already have in place a 2015 deal to stream those games online. NFL (http://www.nfl.com/gamepass), MLB (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb...) have better deals in place. And they get my money.
- Brad_King
@Cristo: My argument isn't that this is happening full-force today. Simply that we are much closer to a time when the TV/Cable/Web are merged together making the indistinguishable. We're a good 10+ years into this and we're getting very close, closer I suspect that most think.
- Brad_King
Brad, I don't really care. I'm part one consumer, and another part developer. I tend to be practical about what I design. I'm fine with an all Internet future, but I'm realistic about the barriers. I like to watch CNBC and sports, so since I can afford to waste the money, I will continue to pay them until there is an alternative. Fred Wilson is not offering an alternative to me, although I sometimes find his blog posts entertaining.
- Cristo
@Cristo: Oh, then I guess you don't have a DVR or ever owned a VCR since time-shifting isn't important. I didn't realize that. ;) I am too busy to arrange my schedule around an 8 pm television show. I watch when it's most convenient to me. I didn't realize I was that odd.
- Brad_King
Brad, I've designed and built DVRs. :) Most DVRs were built off work I've done.
- Cristo
@Cristo: then live tv isn't a big deal to you (which was my point); if it's not live, there is little difference between streaming on-demand from any source. the argument that I'm not watching the NBA "right now" is a non-starter in terms of the larger argument. or have I missed something?
- Brad_King
Live TV is a big deal to me. I want to see the game, when the game is on, and I want to see the stock market reporting while it's relevant. It's like asking whether you mind seeing only yesterday's Twitter feed, not that I really want to see any Twitter feed.
- Cristo
The largest screen in my house is my monitor. I leapfrogged the tv. Who needs one?
- socialcoop
socialcoop, sorry you don't have a 120" projector for watching movies. Someday man, someday.
- Cristo
@Cristo: Right and you can stream and get on-demand those games in the NFL and MLB right now online; the NBA just locked itself into a bad deal. If you haven't experience MLB.tv during the baseball season, you don't know what you're missing. I am watching them live (oftentimes multiple games) at one time, with archives of the games I couldn't watch live.
- Brad_King
Brad, when you trade stocks, what live financial news are you watching? i easily pay for all my cable bills when I trade. I'll bet you a dollar Fred Wilson watches CNBC in his office on a plasma screen. Of course, he wouldn't respond here because he only supports his own services, like Twitter.
- Cristo
@Cristo: you keep going around and around without understanding my point. I think we're having two conversations so have a great night with the projector screen :)
- Brad_King
Brad, the projector comment was for forsocialcoop. If you have a valid argument about what I've been saying, please say it. Otherwise, it's okay you don't, have a good night.
- Cristo
@Cristo: I know who it was for, was being funny. And I did. You clearly just didn't read it and understand. It happens.
- Brad_King
Brad, you never addressed live news specifically financial news. I don't care about steroid baseball.
- Cristo
@Cristo: I have done work at a university (and just took a job there) that developed a live, interactive streaming platform for cable companies a few years back. It's being tested and deployed. Just like the NBA has a bad deal with ESPN, news agencies will be migrating. And - as I said earlier - I think it's 3-5 years before TV/Web are indistinguishable from each other because you will have the functionality streaming. I never argued it was here today.
- Brad_King
@Cristo™ I'm spoiled with the screen I have already. The 20" Cinema display is treating me just fine... By the time I care, the TV will be as extinct as GM.
- socialcoop
@Cristo: btw, I don't disagree with your premise. Just that in a few years, "live" won't mean TV.
- Brad_King
I'm a pragmatist. Screens and monitors should be separated from their media sources. Whether it's a 20" Cinema display or a 120" projector screen, the content should be the same. I'm just realistic about cable not going away anytime soon (5-8 years). I'm looking forward to live being on the Internet. IPTV has been in development at Microsoft since 1996 though.
- Cristo
@Cristo: I don't believe much "goes away". There are issues with control and such that I don't like; however, we've had some neat interactions with developing products + usability. If I was a shareholder, I'd feel good. :) (I am not a shareholder.)
- Brad_King
Brad, okay. You win. I'm going to finish watching the Lakers vs Nuggets now.
- Cristo
One thing that old fashioned broadcast TV has that digital over the internet doesn't have to the same degree is anonymity.
- Chuck Baggett
@Cristo™ "live" is in Beta today and will be in production tomorrow. 5-8 years is laughable. I'd give it a year or 2 tops. Between UStream.tv (Live - clearly beta quality) Hulu (Pro) & Vimeo (Pro-Am) you can throw away your tv (figuratively).
- socialcoop
socialcoop, you're right. Why would I have any credibility. I have no experience in the area since 1995.
- Cristo
@Cristo: I win because I agreed with you :) I don't actually think we were discussing opposite sides. Or did *I* miss that?
- Brad_King
I think what people fail to realize is that it's not the technical challenges that fails to bring live TV to the Internet, but the business challenges. Obviously all TV could be on the Internet today if there were no barriers.
- Cristo
@Cristo: That's what I thought we agreed upon :) It's a business proposition + when the companies decide to push the issue (and I'm guessing it'll be cable companies that push it, like they did with the bundles services), there will be a quick change. That's why I don't think it will be far off. The digital transition and the fiber laid -- it *feels* close. (If 3-5 years is close - and that's for the start, not for ubiquity of that kind of service.) **agreement high five**
- Brad_King
I'm still using old school TV. Satellite, no DVR, no fancy channels. Rendered useless anytime there's a storm (a nightly occurrence).
- Mike Reynolds
@Brad_King @Cristo™ I agree. The technology exists, but the business model is lagging. History repeats itself. 1. Record labels 2. Newspapers 3. Television. 1. Past. 2. Present. 3. Future.
- socialcoop
Arrington you could not be more right about twitter desperately needing PR help
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
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It may be the largest, but it's the lowest resolution. Which bites.
- mark zero (Jason)
TV is more than just a screen, but the STB will probably be gone in 5 years. While I believe On Demand will be the primary source of content discovery in the future, live TV and the experience of browsing are experiences that many people enjoy and will continue to enjoy.
- Alex
I don't know if it's getting interesting. I think it may be navel gazing. I do both: real time and time-shifted. And I… http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009...
of course it's interesting, or you wouldn't be talking about it
- Steve Gillmor
One of the tools we need sooner rather than later is a discussion aggregation point. this is now fragmented across two different discussions on friendfeed.
- Karoli
not in realtime, via notification. it's one conversation - that I'll have after dinner
- Steve Gillmor
@stevegillmor I agree. I've just made a positive gesture toward you, spending my precious time:-) That's why gestures matter.
see your own comment and then this for the answer
- Steve Gillmor
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- Chris Heath
leo call kevin now
- Steve Gillmor
i'm listening in, but not able to talk yet
- Kevin Marks
ello
- Jackson Pollock
i'm fine alan
- Chris Heath
Local issue, I think. Comment deleted.
- Curtis Jackson
is there a way to get just the audio stream, with no video?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Rob: close your eyes.
- Robert Scoble
Link to Last FM's response http://www.last.fm/forum...
- Jamie
rob, http://twit.am
- Chris Heath
rob, or twit.am iphone app
- Chris Heath
twit.am/listen cool!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
hanks!
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I think, the thing we need here is more streaming methods, really.
- Jackson Pollock
you're tom rob
- Chris Heath
poor computer is doing too much, and the video is killing it
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
HI...
- Tina Chase Gillmor
hi
- ralphsaunders
hello tina
- Chris Heath
hello tina
- Adnan
'ello!
- Curtis Jackson
Hi Tina!
- Robert Scoble
ello ello
- ralphsaunders
Hi Tina
- Hilary Talbot
Hello all....glad to see everyone here
- Tina Chase Gillmor
You can open http://bglive-a.bitgravity.com/twit... in VLC player, which is more efficent than flash
- Greg Byrne
tweet the show pleeeze
- Tina Chase Gillmor
k
- ralphsaunders
linda lovelace
- Gabe
.... deep throat?
- ralphsaunders
Hi Robert, Hilary
- Tina Chase Gillmor
wow. that 's a killjoy
- Jackson Pollock
didn't we have OPML for sharing feeds?
- Adnan
lol @ the UI diss to Dave
- Jamie
bundles sounds like a friendfeed room but not as powerful
- Chris Heath
its teh shourty bald guy
- ralphsaunders
Someone needs to develop something as robust and powerful as Yahoo Pipes but not as geeky for the masses. You can do some really cool RSS aggregation and filtering with the service. http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/
- Mike Bracco
Leo, whatcha eatin'? Looks like BBQ from Whole Foods box.
- Curtis Jackson
alan, i think it's salad
- Chris Heath
Well, that's no fun. Just thought I recognized the box.
- Curtis Jackson
alan, leo often eats salad in a box ... you'll see it again
- Chris Heath
nice cans leo
- Jackson Pollock
I really hate that about gmail
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Robert, where you at
- Nick Rae
Robert is doing a diaper change ;-) Good daddy
- Tina Chase Gillmor
lol
- Nick Rae
Kevin has lost the long sideburns
- Tina Chase Gillmor
hate Follow Friday :-(
- Jamie
ask kevin what his ceo learned at the bilderberg meeting in greece?
- Nick Rae
why does every app have to take off. what happened to useful apps for a niche group
- Jackson Pollock
chat is a quite holiday weekend chat, isn't it?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
followfriday is mostly useless because it gets gamed so much - so much competition
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
nick, you really think that kevin is privy to the goings on of the bilderburg meeting? you really think so?
- Chris Heath
zee posted a couple bundles here on FF https://friendfeed.com/the-nex...
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
just curious to see the reaction on his face
- Nick Rae
http://alltop.com/ also does a good job of getting top sites across various topics.
- Mike Bracco
nick, the reaction on his face would probably 'say' something like "why would you think that they would tell me that kind of info?"
- Chris Heath
what's the url? calacanis.com?
- Jackson Pollock
502 error at the moment. Weird.
- Curtis Jackson
leo: http://100twt.com (other links across the top)
- Chris Heath
chris, your probably right, but you ask the question then maybe he educates him self about bilderberg
- Nick Rae
poor kirstiealley
- Tina Chase Gillmor
yeah, but it makes you look like a dick, nick
- Chris Heath
little more tact might get you a better reaction
- Chris Heath
how bout Gillmor Gang fights... anybody cataloging them?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
twitter search is a joke...drops soooo many tweets
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Except when you delete a tweet, then Twitter's search keeps it
- Colin
there should definitely be a "Catfights" section on the wiki Tina, I'd create it, but I don't want to fuel the fire
- Gabe
twitter is vain... good premise
- Chris Heath
lol @ Colin And Tina
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Twitter is about being a framework that everyone else can build products/services on to add additional functionality that people can choose to use or not to use.
- Mike Bracco
ohhh. i beg to differ
- Jackson Pollock
if twitter wqould let more companies have a firehose like frienffeed has, twitter could be very useful
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Steve always moves GG away from porn.. good idea Steve
- Tina Chase Gillmor
there's a sentence I never thought I'd hear Scoble say; "RSS is dead":
- Jackson Pollock
Gabe - what wiki? the twit one?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
scoble is full of it
- Dave Winer
that was complete fucking nonsense
- Dave Winer
when isn't he dave?
- Chris Heath
Cool real time search engine TechCrunch covered the other day: http://searchmerge.com/
- Mike Bracco
welcome dave :-)
- Jamie
how is rss dead? how would we get blogs/etc. flowing through friendfeed without rss?
- Adnan
oh geez
- Dave Winer
OK, Dave, why are my Tweets so slow to show up in Google Reader then?
- Robert Scoble
i have to stop listening to this crap
- Dave Winer
how would we get podcasts? i mean, it has it's place
- Jackson Pollock
Twitter's API uses json/atom/xml
- Colin
Dave reminds me of Bobby Fisher
- Jackson Pollock
xml steve
- Dave Winer
Dave: is it an RSS problem or a reader problem that they can't poll everything all the time?
- Robert Scoble
neither scoble, I'm trying to explain it
- Kevin Marks
finally kevin says something right
- Dave Winer
The argument is that the RSS model is too slow because of the pull architecture. Every time you check the RSS you need to download the entire thing. A push architecture would be better.
- Peter Kruit
steve, so what?
- Dave Winer
Twitter only let's you poll it so often.... Whitelisted ips can still only make 20,000 calls/hour to Twitter, which is nothing.
- Colin
kevin keeps saying things that make sense now
- Dave Winer
so?
- Dave Winer
twitter pushes RSS, thats about all
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
and?
- Dave Winer
saying that you don't interact with rss is like saying you don't interact with the gasoline in your car
- Jim Posner
and RSS itself!
- Dave Winer
How is RSS dead?
- Jason Hansen
Tina - I mistakenly assumed there was a Gillmor Gang on wiki.twit.tv, I gues it could go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Gabe
That's right Steve
- Colin
when you eat your cereal do you use RSS steve?
- Dave Winer
Don't they use RSS to get their podcast within iTunes?
- Jason Hansen
It would actually be more of the opposite Steve.
- Colin
RSS isn't dead.
- Peter Kruit
Does anyone this that Steve Gilmor is a pompas ass! RSS isn't dead. I use it more than ever now.
- Chris Rodgers
When you are posting to Twitter, you probably aren't using RSS, but when you are using a Twitter client, you are using a form of RSS.
- Colin
After all the twitter debate over the last few months, I see more and more people stating how much Google Reader is still integrated into their daily news gathering.
- Matthew
I use Google Reader everyday Matthew.
- Jason Hansen
I use RSS feeds from twitter, and twitter searches combined with yahoo pipes fed into Google Reader to monitor topics and searches in Twitter
- Gabe
Me too Jason Hansen
- Matthew
I use RSS more than ever as well, but that's the only thing I use, and further, it's not how I'm going to see breaking news. But I use it more, and for more purposes as well
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
steve, nor should they be
- Dave Winer
I still use Google Reader because 1) it allows me to read full-text feed without leaving the service 2) it is clean, there is no FoaF content - I want FoaF entries in FF but still want a service that has only content I explicitely ordered.
- Jérôme Flipo
What's the point of this statement
- Bwana
I use google reader to make sure I don't miss articles from my favorite people
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Google Reader shows me how many articles I have. If I followed a lot of people on Twitter, I would miss so much, right?
- Jason Hansen
Technically that might be true Steve, but they use similar forms of RSS, they are very close.
- Colin
The argument is that RSS doesn't have the role it once did, for certain people (including Scoble). Everytime anybody updated their blog, he pulled it down through his reader. Now, this happens through Twitter/etc and he doesn't PULL it, it gets pushed to him through another service. And in this context of Roberts life, YES it is not in use anymore.
- Jackson Pollock
It seems as though twitter has given Google Reader a bump in mindshare.
- Matthew
http://updates.sixapart.com/ is six apart's flow
- Kevin Marks
nonsense
- Dave Winer
oh dear
- Bwana
Dave you should call in and straighten these jokers out
- BryanSchuetz
steve is saying the store and forward model is becoming antiquated.
- Jim Posner
RSS isn't being replaced. There are just additional methods to access information flow. sigh
- Curtis Jackson
actually that isn't all you're saying steve
- Dave Winer
Dave Winer should call in. Steve is an idiot. I don't know why Leo has him on the Twit network
- Chris Rodgers
I agree Alan.
- Jason Hansen
is there an application that acts like google reader and employs its design? That could get me to use twitter over GReader, but then again not every feed I subscribe to twitter their posts over twitter.
- Matthew
imagine a web where nothing was stored....kind of like the gillmor gang
- Jim Posner
Engineer vs journalist
- Jackson Pollock
geeez... tough crowd todayl
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Love it jackson lol
- Colin
thanks chris
- Nick Rae
Go engineer!
- Colin
too true tina
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Where's the fact behind that statement?
- Jason Hansen
that doesn't make sense to me
- Bwana
what evolution does RSS need, it works perfectly.
- Matthew
I think RSS from SINGLE SOURCES may be dead. Downstream RSS generated feeds generated as mashups of a bunch of sources are more useful. Real time is more about content and not the source of that content. In that case, automated and dynamically generated feeds are more useful.
- Mike Bracco
Too much information in Google Reader?
- Jason Hansen
+1 Matthew
- Curtis Jackson
product replacing format?
- Bwana
Steve's argument is not making sense to me...it's not a valid comparison I think
- Bwana
This is about news readers vs twitter, not RSS vs twitter.
- invariant
Steve thinks he's the smartest man on the planet.
- Tokyo Dan
I don't think the differences between Twitter and Google Reader are a function of the underlying protocol.
- Chris Johnson
I use Google Reader to find the news to talk about
- Bwana
I didn't follow scoble on google reader because he shared too much
- Kevin Marks
Since when is Google Reader a social network?
- Jason Hansen
Google reader is my newspaper, not my social network
- Matthew
I don't wait for others to find it for me
- Bwana
agreed Matthew
- Bwana
My gg feed is forming rust ... Realtime
- Ed Guinn
developers don't use RSS?
- BryanSchuetz
+1 Matthew
- Jérôme Flipo
That's the way I look at it invariant, I just want them to skip this other nonsense.
- Colin
Google reader is trying to be a social network.
- Curtis Jackson
I pump shares into FF from Google Reader
- Gabe
Google Reader is the springboard for all of my FriendFeed discussions.
- Bwana
I find the news
- Bwana
I do too Gabe
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I have google reader but i don't use it much. I prefer having RSS bookmarks in my toolbar.
- ralphsaunders
people discuss it
- Bwana
without Google Reader, I wouldn't start any conversations on FriendFeed
- Bwana
If I find a story I want to share in Google Reader, I click the post and use the FF bookmarklet to share it on FriendFeed
- Matthew
omg .. who the hell cares how many followers scoble has.
- Dave Wallace
there's a guy who doesn't get it at all
- Jackson Pollock
It's a wast of time watching this when u can download it and listen to it later while exercising or driving.
- Tokyo Dan
Dave Wallace: that tells me the relative popularity of the tool.
- Robert Scoble
i can never get into google reader... just doesn't draw me back
- Chris Heath
I pull RSS feeds into FF to do that myself, Bwana. However, it's a small, easy to manage amount.
- Curtis Jackson
real time is here to stay..we get that...next.
- Jim Posner
Alan - I have a hard time using FF as a feed reader
- Bwana
Robert: that doesn't mean kevins reason is wrong.
- Dave Wallace
Google Reader beats it so hard
- Bwana
with a stick?
- ralphsaunders
an ugly stick
- Bwana
Twitter + FF is central spine of real time web...
- Gregg
:O
- ralphsaunders
I don't disagree. For me, a LOT of the same material was being shared on FF already so I didn't need to keep watching some of my feeds. :)
- Curtis Jackson
perhaps they were never offered it in the best way possible
- Jackson Pollock
I can skim google reader, skimming twitter is having to skim hundreds of tweets and getting less info, imo
- Matthew
ugh, I keep cringing when he says RSS
- Bwana
rss is good if you want to get all available articles from a certain point... but most of the time, i don't want to do that ... i want the most recently active articles from all points (friendfeed does this very well)
- Chris Heath
I don't want Google Reader to have a social aspect.
- Peter Kruit
I use Reader now for only my favourite high signal/low noise feeds
- Jamie
Every page in friendfeed creates an RSS/Atom feed. I pull all date into friendfeed except from a couple of services via RSS/Atom.
- Robert Scoble
Steve sure is making a big deal over a tool he doesn't use.
- Jeff Harbert
jamie, i just use live bookmarks in firefox for my most favorite feeds (or igoogle)
- Chris Heath
for general news reading it's FriendFeed for me. I dip in and out - I don't need to consume every single article, or even skim every article
- Jamie
Jamie: I have switched to using feedly for that, which uses my Google Reader lists to present me news.
- Robert Scoble
the main reason I use the share in google reader is so that FriendFeed hears about it and tells twitter
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
don't get the protocol fixation..why does it matter?
- Jim Posner
I also have 4-5 live bookmarks chris
- Jamie
who uses Google reader (or any reader) more now than they did before twitter?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
as a user I never got the usefullness of rss. I like visiting sites and the searches that I set up on rss search engines had too much noise in them to be useful.same thing with twitter and friendfeed
- jccalhoun
me too Robert.
- Jamie
I use Google Reader more than anything out there
- Bwana
Tina: I use it WAY less.
- Robert Scoble
I just don't find reason to attack Kevin or Google for developing a new, different and perhaps better way to do this.
- Jackson Pollock
even friendfeed
- Bwana
fwiw I completely agree with Steve. he might not be articulating it how he wants but I get what he means.
- Jamie
I use GR more now
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Jackson: the thing is that Google Reader never got the mass market appeal that Google wants to see for its services.
- Robert Scoble
Jamie, can you explain it to us? :D
- Curtis Jackson
Twitter/FriendFeed did not change my usage of Google Reader. Twitter has too much noise. FriendFeed doesn't have all the subjects I'm interested in.
- Peter Kruit
Good point Leo
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Twitter went mass market. Google Reader didn't. Facebook went mass market. Google Reader didn't. Friendfeed is much more used than Google Reader and friendfeed hasn't gone mass market yet.
- Robert Scoble
right - Scoble - I use it way less too
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Alan - check out FeedSync.
- Jamie
I still don't see why we can't use these tools to compliment each other
- Bwana
I like google reader's ability to infinitely scroll into feed history. This is valuable when mining data from Yahoo Pipes. Great tool for content analysis
- Gabe
Agree w/ Gillmor that Bundles is wrong feature to focus on for Reader. Better to enhance mechanisms to get Reader items into FF. Currently, RSS is the only way - that doesn't work in realtime.
- Nick in Manila
Peter: you can bring in the EXACT SAME RSS feeds you bring into Google Reader into friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
why are we in such a rush to kill something off and move on
- Bwana
The money isn't not an issue, if we look at newspapers. Usability is one.
- Jérôme Flipo
imagine a protocol that was two-way and real time.
- Jamie
google reader is only one client for a comon format
- Kevin Marks
i use google reader to follow topics. sources from postrank. Favs are shared to private rooms
- Webferret
Why can't I use Google Reader, Twitter, AND FriendFeed in a happy utopia world of news
- Bwana
Bwana: you can.
- Robert Scoble
Most people consume realtime and RSS together, they compliment each other.
- ralphsaunders
you can Bwana :-) I do too
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Robert: Agreed, but not the content of the post or am I wrong?
- Peter Kruit
Right Bwana, Twitter and FF augment, they don't replace.
- invariant
what is the motivation to say that rss is dead?
- Jim Posner
Realtime doesn't allow people to click ads/go to website because their attention is still on the realtime
- Matthew
cool kids club 2009?
- Bwana
:)
- Bwana
lol
- Curtis Jackson
headlines Jim Posner, headlines
- Gabe
RSS Great! Live Great! Can't we all just get along?
- MarK
The world hasn't changed over. A certain percentage of the valley has. 10 people know what it is here in Norway. 99% of the population knows what Facebook is.
- Jackson Pollock
not on the Gillmor Gang :)
- Bwana
OH Robert no you didnt
- Bwana
hahahah
- Bwana
YOU said it Scoble
- Jackson Pollock
FriendFeed NEEDS a special live feature that is customized for live interaction like this for live shows.
- Mike Bracco
It's a good word to get us to read their stories. hah
- Colin
Robert, you brought Jimmy Wales to Friendfeed, but he never came back. Still no likes and only 4 comments. Be careful with stats of innovators on FF!
- Jérôme Flipo
When did Steve declare Office is dead? anyone got the date?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Scoble this is not "the chatroom." the chatroom is at irc.twit.tv
- jccalhoun
Jerome he's still there.
- Robert Scoble
I think 2004 tina
- Jamie
Friendfeed needs to put a "comment" link on the bottom of the conversation as well as the top!
- Gabe
jccalhoun: this is the chat room. IRC is dead.
- Robert Scoble
IRC moves a little too fast, I prefer FriendFeed.
- Colin
what did scoble do? i missed it.
- ralphsaunders
Robert, here but inactive.
- Jérôme Flipo
scoble IRC isn't dead.
- ralphsaunders
@Gabe You should also be able to comment on comments
- Mike Bracco
Pop the chat out on the permalink Gabe
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Robert; I hate when pundits use the word dead
- Jackson Pollock
scoble there are 500+ in the irc chatroom
- jccalhoun
does everyone still use Office? is it the center of your universe like it was?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
IRC isn't dead either.
- Peter Kruit
doesn't really make that much sense, I need a drill, so I pronounce the wrench is dead?
- Matthew
this is a realtime messageboard not a chatroom
- jccalhoun
Yes, I use Office every day
- Bwana
Saying RSS is dead will give you better tools? Please explain.
- Jim Posner
thanks Jamie
- Tina Chase Gillmor
You just can't work out how to use it. :P
- ralphsaunders
And I use Google Docs
- Bwana
wow, two tools
- Bwana
I hate this either/or movement
- Bwana
Just because some of these people aren't using services doesn't mean it's dead.
- Peter Kruit
Jim: it creates a conversation of where the future will go and the protocols and tools we need to get there. Google Reader isn't good enough for this environment.
- Robert Scoble
Well, if someone isn't using Google Reader anymore, to that person, it might be dead ;)
- Colin
your news, not my news
- Matthew
Google needs a real time feed display if it wants to compete with Facebook/Twitter/friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
which comes from Google Reader
- Bwana
lol
- Bwana
this "acts" like a chat room during a live show
- Tina Chase Gillmor
it's so funny how a tiny percentage of people in California bury themselves in themselves and what they find to be relevant. What you miss is that the money, the users, everything a business like Twitter or Facebook wants, is not in California. It's the rest of the world. And not a soul in the rest of the world has any clue about FriendFeed yet. Not a clue.
- Jackson Pollock
hi leo
- ralphsaunders
It's really not an EITHER - OR discussion, it's a BOTH - AND thing. RSS + RealTime Web = two great tastes that taste great together
- BryanSchuetz
Horses as a transportation mean is dead, but horses are still alive :)
- Jérôme Flipo
Mibbit
- Bwana
Right Bryan it is a Both-AND thing
- Francine Hardaway
real time FTW - dead air FTL
- Chris Heath
FriendFeed isn't ugly Scoble?
- Colin
I hear that
- Jackson Pollock
Robert-Telling me my truck is dead doesn't get me into a Tesla. We need more specifics..how do I get into the Tesla?
- Jim Posner
I told ya you couldn't use it scoble.
- ralphsaunders
Thanks Kevin
- Bwana
Robert Scoble is an elitist
- Matthew
scoble just go to http://irc.twit.tv/ in your browser and it works just fine
- jccalhoun
Matthew: heheh!
- Robert Scoble
exactly Jerome - when Steve says it's dead, he doesn't mean literally dead. just that the technology has/will/should be replaced for certain things that are technically superior
- Jamie
Peter: if the user base is stagnant and not growing, then it is "dead." Scoble is right, though. Dead can be a misleading term.
- Nick in Manila
dirty elitist.
- ralphsaunders
I like the fact that FF save the chat and I can search it later
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
how do people identify themselves on here? I'm jccalhoun everywhere online
- jccalhoun
Robert, most of FF users (IMO) still use GReader besides FF. For me, they're very complementary. They should diverge in their development to better serve their users in their new usage.
- Jérôme Flipo
jccalhoun that irc client sux
- Chris Heath
if 4chan decided to raid FriendFeed, we'd go crying back to IRC
- Bwana
Robert, how do you put 350 RSS feeds in to FF?
- Francine Hardaway
I'll say it again - Disadvantage of FriendFeed = No "comment" button at bottom of conversation = lots of scrolling :(
- Gabe
irc advantage is tab-complete usernames
- Chris Heath
Robert.... Is Gilmor gang soley about social media??
- ralphsaunders
Learned the other day that South Korea requires social security numbers to register for social networks
- Mike Bracco
chris heath i dno't use it. scoble just said 'irc is hard to get to" and it isn't
- jccalhoun
huh Gabe?
- Jamie
exactly Leo
- Bwana
correct Leo
- Matthew
EXACTLY. Let's keep it this way, PLEASE
- Jackson Pollock
And thank goodness for that, Leo.
- Jeff Harbert
If 4chan said let's raid FriendFeed, you'd see moderation nightmares
- Bwana
I'm on IRC now. It's lame compared to friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
Gabe: Use the timestamp link and open this in a fresh window and you get the comment button at the bottom
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
@Scoble Do you use Yahoo Pipes?
- Mike Bracco
Did Leo say the people on FF are more intelligent?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I use Goolge Reader and I use FF. This conversation is stupid and boring.
- MarK
Keep Paris Hilton away from FriendFeed. That's my new quest.
- Jackson Pollock
http://friendfeed.com/twit-co... @ Gabe
- Jamie
The culture of the service/team will make the difference over time.
- Jérôme Flipo
Mike: not enough.
- Robert Scoble
Unfortunately, FriendFeed won't be successful with the few people here
- Matthew
Not gonna last folks.
- Denise Howell
Hey Denise
- Matthew
bwana absolutely. there's no reason why friendfeed couldn't be overrun by trolls
- jccalhoun
Matthew: I had a magazine with 100,000 users that made millions per year.
- Robert Scoble
Thanks Jamie
- Gabe
How do you ban spammers for kick people from ffee?
- Greg
hi Denise
- Tina Chase Gillmor
FF isn't a Magazine Robert
- Matthew
Matthew: size of audience is not a necessary condition for financial success.
- Robert Scoble
Matthew: it is to me.
- Robert Scoble
hi all, good to get my Gillmor Gang on. :)
- Denise Howell
It should work this way here too: http://friendfeed.com/twit-co...
- Gabe
Friendfeed isn't a magazine to the majority
- ralphsaunders
I think Steve's right in this way: Realtime has the mindshare. We will see rapid development in this space. RSS has pretty much fulfilled it's promise, so you won't see a lot of new and interesting tools in this area. But I think that once realtime matures, something else will grab developer attention.
- invariant
how is this not easy to troll? I just cut and paste a bunch of racists homophobic stuff and keep hitting "comment" over and over
- jccalhoun
how will Friendfeed make money?
- Matthew
Two years ago no one knew about Twitter.
- MarK
ads?
- Matthew
good conversation Steve,,another reason it should be stored and forwarded.
- Jim Posner
jccalhoun - we'll block you and be done with you
- Chris Heath
jccalhoun: yes. One block and you're gone.
- Robert Scoble
block won't stop a full blown raid
- Bwana
you'd see fake accounts left and right
- Bwana
Bwana: yes it will.
- Robert Scoble
chris heath you can do that in irc and any decent message board
- jccalhoun
no it won't
- Bwana
this chat is being stored
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Bwana: it's not easy to create an account here.
- Robert Scoble
4chan'ers know how to make multiple email accounts
- Matthew
sigh
- Bwana
Tina: right. And we can see everyone else's info too.
- Robert Scoble
jccalhoun the mods have to do it in irc, here we all do it
- Chris Heath
and multiple twitter accounts
- Matthew
how is it not easy to create an account here robert?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
it is just as easy to create an account here as anywhere else
- jccalhoun
Chris: it's decentralized moderation.
- Robert Scoble
exactly
- Chris Heath
Rob: you need an email or a Twitter account.
- Robert Scoble
It's easy enough for 4chan to kill it
- Bwana
When Twitter decides to MONETIZE, how will that effect everything. Premium accounts, ads, Google analytics on Twitter pages etc..?
- Mike Bracco
IRC is a different community from FF. the chat here goes dead after the show but IRC carries on.
- ralphsaunders
bwana, i'd like to see them try
- Chris Heath
Bwana agreed
- Andrew Johnson
If anything is killing RSS it's Microplaza http://microplaza.com not friend feed
- BryanSchuetz
there's very little stopping a full raid
- Bwana
Robert: How hard is it to get an email address?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Still want to know how/why to put my 350 feeds on FF
- Francine Hardaway
I'm saying I want it to happen
- Bwana
Robert, Twitter has decentralized moderation too (I think) but it has lots of spammers.
- Jérôme Flipo
Robert: 4chan had people working all day to enter captchas to game the Time poll. If they want to game FF they will be able to.
- invariant
I'm saying decentralized moderation would fail if 4chan decided to raid
- Bwana
What is SO much better for me on FF is this chat gets saved, stored and can be referred to later... the irc chat goes away
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Jerome: absolutely wrong. Twitter does NOT have decentralized moderation.
- Robert Scoble
francine - make a group, and add them to the group (that way it's not all in your account)
- Chris Heath
you wouldn't be able to block fast enough
- Bwana
Bwana: all we'd have to do is create a white list room. I'm already doing that.
- Robert Scoble
twitter should have a pro and premium accounts. Pro removes ads from your stream, Premium removes ads from stream and all tweets you send out
- Matthew
bwana, well i'd still like to try
- Chris Heath
Jerome, Robert's correct on that. Go delete someone else's tweet in a thread that you create on twitter
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
When I block someone on Twitter, it doesn't have the same effect that FF blocking?
- Jérôme Flipo
You can't
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
this chat may be saved but how useful will it be to people? irc chats can be logged if you want but they are most useful live
- jccalhoun
if you go private, 4chan wins
- Bwana
Here's an audio rebuttal to the nonsense about RSS on this edition of the Gillmor Gang. http://friendfeed.com/davew...
- Dave Winer
white list based on userid?
- Greg
jerome, not it's not the same ... friendfeed does it right
- Chris Heath
guruvan, thanks for the example.
- Jérôme Flipo
the archiving of comments is very useful
- Jamie
jccalhoun; it makes the podcast searchable. very very big for audio
- Jackson Pollock
jccalhoun: I regularly look back at the chats.
- Robert Scoble
Why doesnt FF have a "comment" link/button at the bottom next to the last comment in the thread? No way to sort recent comments to the top?
- Andrew Johnson
so do I in irc
- Greg
private list/room = invite only irc channel
- Bwana
same thing
- Bwana
robert, yeah leo should do that here and delete/block some of the unruly comments
- Chris Heath
the gg video needs to be made available..why it's not is a mystery.
- Jim Posner
how did you post this 5 hours ago Dave Winer?
- Matthew
Great site to check handle availability across social networks - http://namechk.com/
- Mike Bracco
That's the whole thing of it Jerome, I can completely block someone here, and I can delete comments in my own threads - you can't block someone completely on twitter
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
andrew click on the 1hour ago beliow the heading
- Greg
Chat storing could save Youtube lots of work to add metadata to their video. But they still must develop audio-indexing.
- Jérôme Flipo
jim, steve's addressed the feed issue on friendfeed this week
- Chris Heath
I'm not saying anything is wrong with friendfeed I'm just not seeing it as all that different than other things.
- jccalhoun
Andrew: Use the permalink (timestamp) to open the chat in it's own window and get the comment button at the bottom
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
jim, go look at my comments on the most recent gillmor gang on the techcrunch site
- Chris Heath
so, the FF chat is more like scrolling comments on a blog (yeah, I'ma n00b)
- aBruchis
andrew: or add ?embed=1 to the url
- Chris Heath
Dave should call in or play his audio. Apparently he has something to say here.
- Jim Posner
Awww thanks everyone. They really should make that default IMHO
- Andrew Johnson
aBruchis, that was your first FF comment :) Welcome here.
- Jérôme Flipo
got a big buffer and timeshift on the BG stream just now
- Chris Heath
Someone on the show can play Winer's audio
- jccalhoun
if you click the time stamp you get the embed window
- ralphsaunders
an inconvenient truth perhaps
- Jim Posner
Fhew I need to take a break from the IRC.... Moves much too fast.
- Colin
thank you guruvan, much better
- Denise Howell
I routinely open the timestamp-link in another tab to track older conversations
- Mike Taylor
:-)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I am having trouble with the Bit Gravity stream every weak
- Francine Hardaway
steve's points are like pulling teeth
- Jackson Pollock
Hello all
- Edward Perry
Robert Scoble, bring up Dave Winer's audio
- Matthew
lsitening to Dave Winer's audio now
- Bwana
forgot how cool blogtalkradio is
- Bwana
Matthew: I will.
- Robert Scoble
Jackson - agreed.
- Jeff Harbert
robert is on the move it looks like
- Mike Taylor
Francine Hardaway, I've switched to the Ustream, it's the best one imo
- Matthew
mike, yeah he's been moving about a lot today
- Chris Heath
Mike: I gotta watch the baby.
- Robert Scoble
also, I would suggest using the TWiT 2.0 app on leoville.com
- Matthew
Robert's boy must be up and about
- Bwana
and there you go
- Bwana
Can someone pop up the ustream link, please?
- Curtis Jackson
You asked for it Steve.
- Colin
Please play it Leo
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
We're playing Dave Winer's audio.
- Robert Scoble
Play it leo
- Denise Howell
ahh - wait till "watching the baby" means running around chasing a toddler :)
- Mike Taylor
yay!
- Bwana
I want a Trac-a-pottamus
- Gabe
Or, more accurately, Leo is playing it.
- Robert Scoble
/patiently waits
- Jamie
Dave sounds like he's on a plane :)
- Jérôme Flipo
It's going to sound like Bobby Fisher's rant against the US and Israel.
- Jackson Pollock
ustream link http://ustream.tv/flash...
- jccalhoun
cool way to step up Leo
- Jim Posner
np Leo
- Matthew
Alan: http://www.ustream.tv/channel...
- 321
realtime once removed
- Denise Howell
Thanks all!
- Curtis Jackson
I have to say: live video ..comments in friend feed..chat in irc..audio responses via blogtalk rado ... the realtime web is pretty cool
- BryanSchuetz
I don't think Dave really understands the point Steve is trying to make
- Jamie
it's cool that a lot of this show is happening through Friendfeed
- Matthew
Matthew; i'd hear him out first
- Jackson Pollock
hmm, semantic nitpicking
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
very cool..many kudo's Leo..
- Jim Posner
dave sees "rss" and "dead" and ignores the point.
- Jamie
so the wordstar format isn't dead then?
- jccalhoun
hmmm? what do you mean Jackson Pollock?
- Matthew
jccalhoun; never was alive
- Jackson Pollock
Matthew; he isn't done yet and you disagree
- Jackson Pollock
:)
- Bwana
Is that twhirl leo is using?
- ralphsaunders
about what?
- Matthew
what are you referring to Jackson Pollock?
- Matthew
the real headline is "RSS isnt right for real time."
- Jamie
via identi.ca: dave: New BlogTalkRadio voice message: http://tr.im/mdWf
- Mike Taylor
I think Dave just takes the word "dead" too personally
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
RSS won't die - it is a delivery tool, not a messaging tool
- Joshua Dale
^
- Jamie
you're saying that he doesn't get Steve's point, and he's not even done explaining himself yet
- Jackson Pollock
which is understandable, given its his baby
- Jamie
RSS Enterprise
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Cripes! It's 15 minutes. Will Leo play it all?
- Greg Byrne
I haven't quite figured it out yet, but the more I use FF, the more I use GReader (and really hadn't been before)
- Denise Howell
Jackson Pollock, what exact comment are you talking about? are you sure it was me who said it?
- Matthew
Great! Now we have one more Winer. LOL
- MarK
So Dave Winer is on the show without being on the show....hmmm
- Tina Chase Gillmor
@jackson dave has addressed it many times on his blog the past 2 weeks.
- Jamie
Matthew; very sorry. that was all aimed at Jamie
- Jackson Pollock
this is exactly what winer wants. he wants the attention and they are giving it to him
- jccalhoun
would you want a real time news paper
- Webferret
np Jackson Pollock, you had me scratching my head
- Matthew
real time is great..very visceral..a beautiful thang..thanks to both Steve and Dave
- Jim Posner
Webferret: no I want realtime headlines, and I want the news to lie around waiting for me to read it
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Doesn't the Kindle use RSS?
- Jackson Pollock
@jackson yes
- Denise Howell
podcasting is all RSS
- Jackson Pollock
@guruvan same here
- Webferret
maybe podcasting is dead?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
noo
- Jamie
this is akin to IMAP vs Push
- Jamie
calling things dead is dead
- jccalhoun
Here in Norway, many government institutes use RSS to keep their websites updated and up to date
- Jackson Pollock
That's about all I get out of my twitter stream too - realtime headlines
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Dead pundintry is dead
- Bwana
I know you were joking Leo, but realtime isn't slow, it's the delay on your show feed that made you wait
- Matthew
Bring back smoke signals and the teletype!
- Curtis Jackson
i would rather watch in a web browser than wait to download a podcast in itunes or other software
- DeMedici
yeah matthew
- Chris Heath
+2 Alan
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
dead is dead... I like that! ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
me too tina
- Chris Heath
It is an EXPIRED parrot!
- Curtis Jackson
podcasting's not dead, just becoming more textured
- Denise Howell
active
- Jackson Pollock
google reader is my newspaper ff is my realtime headlines
- Webferret
thanks largely to leo ;)
- Denise Howell
ah so this is the friendfeed chat (Dltq here)
- Raymond M. Kristiansen
alan, It's only resting! Lovely plumage
- aBruchis
heck, FTP is technically "dead" but it's still in use today
- Mike Taylor
Denise, why only one TWiL a month??
- Matthew
I wrote "Live TV is dead" a while back...
- Kevin Marks
Webferret: exactly I use both FF and Twitter for headlines, but I get conversation about the news on FF -
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
radio isn't dead, newspapers aren't dead. talking face to face is Not dead
- Raymond M. Kristiansen
will this show ever make it to RSS? a defining moment
- Jim Posner
Geocities is dead
- Matthew
How do people get their news? Through Twitter? I have an RSS reader and get them that way, what's better than that?
- Jackson Pollock
Jackson: TechMeme/Memeorandum
- Robert Scoble
Matthew, Kid/family. I LOVE doing TWiL, plan/hope to step up frequency in the fall.
- Denise Howell
Jackson: The same feeds in friendfeed filtered by various things.
- Robert Scoble
Robert; you've been talking about that for years, but did it really ever take off?
- Jackson Pollock
internet fail ><
- ralphsaunders
Hope so Denise, it's a great podcast, even if a lot of it goes over my head
- Matthew
Jackson: it took off more than Google Reader has.
- Robert Scoble
Jackson: I get more traffic from TechMeme when I'm on it.
- Robert Scoble
:) Will work on that last part.
- Denise Howell
Denise Great news Twit Army looks forward to it
- Andrew Johnson
for me, Twitter extends my GReader / news reading experience. I can go and subscribe to a writer and such and such
- Matthew
Hey Scoble have you played with Microplaza? = http://microplaza.com | wishing friend feed could do some of that stuff
- BryanSchuetz
Steve Gillmors work on attention has been very inspirational for me, but mostly as a philosophical concept - so far the implementations haven't blown me away. yet.
- Raymond M. Kristiansen
I dropped off the IRC chat. The friendfeed chat is better because I know who I am talking to and because these chats stick around.
- Robert Scoble
I like the way Steve is phrasing this
- Hilary Talbot
Thanks Andrew!
- Denise Howell
robert - we'll have to solve that problem for you
- Mike Taylor
I have to run and get Milan some milk.
- Robert Scoble
the video of the exploding ball is pretty funny. ;-)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Leo's ball exploding http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Matthew
Mike: IRC is so 1995.
- Robert Scoble
Mike: give it up, I'm not going back.
- Robert Scoble
robert - :)
- Mike Taylor
robert im on freindfeed now but its not easy to get started
- DeMedici
How do you post a new comment without going back to the top?
- Willowdale
Aww Robert, there's a place for it ;)
- Colin
Willowdale, click the timestamp twice and it will open a mini pop up of just the comments
- Matthew
willowdale - open the chat in it's own window by right clicking on the link that is the timestamp
- Mike Taylor
Willowdale: https://friendfeed.com/twit-co...
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Dead is a terrible word.
- Bwana
thing are never dead, they just start to fade while other rise
- Marcos Detry
how do I higlight posts where my name is mentioned in friendfeed or alert me when someone mentions my name?
- Greg
it's inaccurate
- Bwana
great, thanks everyone
- Willowdale
deprecated
- Mike Taylor
Willowdale: click on the time stamp.
- Robert Scoble
Where else can an Apple employee hide under a false nickname and spill details on seomthing he's working on without getting in trouble?
- Colin
it's semantics
- Chris Heath
it's not dead, ...something else is "Drinking it's milkshake"
- BryanSchuetz
I said Live Tv is dead: http://epeus.blogspot.com/2006...
- Kevin Marks
Willowdale: that will open up a new window.
- Robert Scoble
sick?
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
Got it thanks Robert
- Willowdale
What about all the people that still do not know what RSS is...will they every see it
- TonyatMATC
Steve knows what he's doing, I think the recipe includes a big cup of linkbait
- Matthew
frames it very badly apparantly
- Tony Miller
what does gillmor use if he doesn't use MS Office?
- jccalhoun
semantics? Ok, I'll play. Web browsers are dead.
- Bwana
jccalhoun: Google Docs/Spreadsheets. I'm using that almost exclusively now too.
- Robert Scoble
All these competing/parallel chats...Kevin and Steve remember the back channel at the first AO Summit. This is some sort of weird stepchild. ;)
- Denise Howell
I now understand why these calls will not get released
- Jim Posner
@Scoble me too
- TonyatMATC
RSS has reached adulthood and growing old, maybe!
- pmclem
Robert Scoble that's what I assumed
- jccalhoun
The Razr is dead... hah
- Colin
Live Sports is dead
- Bwana
semantics is pretty huge in journalism, saying it's "dead" is a huge statement, not a missunderstang
- aBruchis
bwana - html is dead - at least according to the whatwg guys
- Mike Taylor
google docs gets laughed at in the enterprise. but I understand the point about collaboration.
- Jamie
blasphemy Bwana
- Matthew
Leo: I think Calliflower is beginning to charge for long distance:-)
- Francine Hardaway
I can keep going
- Bwana
Howard didn't like the Pre
- Jackson Pollock
Jamie: not for much longer, methinks
- Denise Howell
the iphone wasn;t originally transformative! Needed 3g + App store
- Chris Lloyd
can't wait for football season, football has always been in real time
- Matthew
The Palm Pre isn't going to make an impact.
- Peter Kruit
It will be interesting to see if Steve has the balls to release this show.
- Jim Posner
Podcasting is dead - We're watching a dead podcast
- Bwana
Zombies!
- Bwana
Christopher, I think it was, it owned the touch screen without a keyboard. That's tough to pull off.
- Colin
Even I don't use Office anymore. I use either IWork or Google docs
- Francine Hardaway
Pre will never compete with the iPhone in the gaming arena (and thus the consumer market) at least. Might do ok in the business market.
- invariant
NO MICROSOFT products on my Mac except Silverlight for Netflix stream...Feels so good! :)
- Mike Bracco
podcasting is about timeshifting. rss doesn't have to be the glue that delivers it.
- Jamie
invariant: I disagree. The Pre will have Flash. iPhone won't.
- Robert Scoble
Pre will be a better alternative to a Blackberry than the iPhone is
- Matthew
the iPhone forced blackberry to really improve it's browser
- Mike Taylor
So, the Pre will get tons of games from casual gaming sites
- Robert Scoble
That's where you get it wrong. That has nothing to do with it. The iphone would've died if MS released it. The iPhone is far beyond that.
- Jackson Pollock
instead of dead steve should say zombified - living dead
- DeMedici
SMS is dead
- Bwana
lol bwana
- Raymond M. Kristiansen
RSS is a Zombie
- Matthew
whats the lightest twitter app on resources?
- ralphsaunders
/me bumps into bwana to get him out of his rut
- Mike Taylor
phones are the whole reason, guys
- Joshua Dale
Colin: It was new, but compared to N95 and other phones in europe, it had too many limitations, it as only for hardcore users, it wasn't untill 3g (See the lines, stock problems) that it became a must have transformative game changing device
- Chris Lloyd
Alright so next month what if the iphone does video calling, every other phone instantly dead? I think so! ;)
- Colin
Robert, I'll grant you that, but we'll see how well Flash runs on it.
- invariant
thanks bear :D
- Bwana
Zombies are dead, sorta
- Andrew Johnson
sms never took of in the US because of the cost associated with it. Twitter is free and thats what made it a killer app.
- Ash
Tina: what *is* up with no non-realtime version of the show? (Apologies if this has been done to death.) Timeshifting's not dead. ;)
- Denise Howell
Colin - right
- Tina Chase Gillmor
kevin - when is Google IO going to be somewhere besides SanFran?
- Mike Taylor
ohh!! one more
- Bwana
christopher it also went on sale in about 50 other countries
- Jamie
RSS is undead!
- Bwana
I win!
- Bwana
RSS is Re-Animated
- Matthew
twitter is growing pretty fast in Europe too, but i doubt we will see big sms usage decline for a few more years
- Raymond M. Kristiansen
Denise we're working on something
- Tina Chase Gillmor
SMS is the worst rip off in history. Isn't it like $1,000/MB or something like that?
- Mike Bracco
lol @ Bwana
- Andrew Johnson
'sides, if you're chatting, you need to listen to the actual show after the fact.
- Denise Howell
Jamie: Good point
- Chris Lloyd
use a high pitch tone Youtube
- Bwana
that works well
- Bwana
mike; you crazy americans. every other country adopted SMS 8 years ago.
- Jackson Pollock
Ah, good.
- Denise Howell
We did Google Develoepr Days around the world last year, and have several lined up this year too
- Kevin Marks
Why hasn't Google killed Google video with YouTube?
- Mike Bracco
what happened to youtube search?
- Jamie
Google Video is Dead-reincarnated
- Bwana
kevin - yea, but it's coverage of api's is no where near what happens in GoogleIO
- Mike Taylor
its really gone to pot recently.
- Jamie
now the after show begins
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Vat69. It is the only right choice
- Jackson Pollock
No, but having some Crystal Skull Vodka, it's lovely.
- Denise Howell
my first twit in ages - how is the aftershow?
- Raymond M. Kristiansen
did Steve end the show or not?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
yes
- Bwana
yes, he said the magic words
- Mike Taylor
Robert, what are your thoughts on Dolphin 6.
- DeMedici
Tina You must ask that a lot. ;)
- Denise Howell
visicalc is dead
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
lol @ denise
- Jamie
well, GDD is one day, I/O is two, and they are smaller, but they are just as deep - I did 4 myself in Europe. 3 lined up already: http://code.google.com/events...
- Kevin Marks
I like that friend feed doesn't have anyone telling you what you can and can't say. Unlike IRC.
- Willowdale
a lot
- Tina Chase Gillmor
think I need a drink right about now
- Tina Chase Gillmor
TWEETING TOO HARD IS BACK UP! check out. HILARIOUS - http://tweetingtoohard.com/top
- Mike Bracco
E3
- Matthew
Pre will be so sold out
- Bwana
it'll be worse than the Wii
- Bwana
It's not over 'til Arrington's the last one standing.
- Denise Howell
willowdale i like that ff doesn't have so many jerks that need to be moderated
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
my wife will kill me if I get a Pre
- Mike Taylor
<3 the friendfeed notifier
- Jamie
Customer: "When will you get some more Pre's in?" Best Buy Rep: "April 2010"
- Bwana
Good choice Scoble! Toyota wins best quality, best price and happiest customers in Norway
- Jackson Pollock
What happened to Youtube streaming? Didn't they have a big live event celebrating that? Heh.
- Nick in Manila
They were always like that, Leo.
- Curtis Jackson
I like Makers Mark more than Bulleitt
- Ron Felton
what's the percentage of stick-shifts in the US these days?
- Jackson Pollock
Scoble and Bourbon? Oh NO
- Tina Chase Gillmor
/me passes Tina a memorial day margarita
- Andrew Johnson
Yes, Tina. Steve ended the show. And???
- Francine Hardaway
I wouldn't trust that
- Matthew
Right... the show never ends... not for me anyway
- Tina Chase Gillmor
gm has had the adaptive cruise control for a few years now
- Chris Heath
Robert: seen that in big trucks
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I want to go to Petaluma. Robert, I will drive your new Prius home...and you if you want
- Francine Hardaway
Thats insane, and scary
- aBruchis
yar
- Bwana
Coffee soon Francine?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
no building!?!?
- Bwana
robert - is there room for people with skill specialties in your Building43 ?
- Mike Taylor
no building for building43?!?! :P
- Bwana
mike i'm sure there is... it's an inclusive community from what i hear
- Chris Heath
get Savage!
- Jackson Pollock
they better get on FF, or Robert will declare they're stupid :)
- Bwana
would love to help folks with XMPP stuff
- Mike Taylor
you built a private room.. you hit three buttons, let's be honest
- Jackson Pollock
no one's going to do that Robert
- Bwana
I am going to use it that way for teaching my students
- TonyatMATC
People won't even build a list or hide items now
- Bwana
private rooms would kill a lot of conversation on friendfeed
- Matthew
Beach Boys: "In my room...
- Denise Howell
I don't know bwana - I hide items and have many lists -- just avoiding using a lot of that until they get the API up
- Mike Taylor
Twit Conversations doesn't show up in my groups list
- Matthew
I do too
- Bwana
why wasnt it building42? we all know 42 beats all numbers
- Raymond M. Kristiansen
secret posts ;-)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Matthew Not even when you expand?
- Denise Howell
I believe a vast majority of FriendFeed users don't hide nor create lists
- Bwana
friend feed is becoming the best
- Rene Castro
Denise... funny I was just thinking bout that song too
- Tina Chase Gillmor
it's anonymous only to the users - the FF mail gateway knows
- Mike Taylor
customer support complaints
- Mike Taylor
yes Denise
- Matthew
sorry already the best
- Rene Castro
Email is Undead
- Bwana
lol Bwana
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
oh email is dead
- Tina Chase Gillmor
tina FTW!
- Mike Taylor
kevin just got younger
- Rene Castro
I keep unsubscribing and subscribing to Twit Conversations, but it's never in my list of groups
- Matthew
Gmail is growing
- Jérôme Flipo
andrew, henry and patrick
- Jackson Pollock
Steve: That's one of the very best features of FriendFeed - the management pay attention and plays along with the rest of us
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
boom
- Bwana
Loving Andrew Marks
- Francine Hardaway
get a kid on the show and they'll contradict the whole conversation :D
- Bwana
Matthew Must be an exclusivity thing. ;) FOG (Friends of Gillmor)
- Denise Howell
Oh how cute is he??
- Denise Howell
LOL
- Bwana
blog is old media
- Rene Castro
Kevin's son is so adorable
- Tina Chase Gillmor
OK, web sites are passe. So that answers Scoble's question on what makes a website 2010. It doesn't exist.
- Francine Hardaway
Blogging is nearly undead. It got bit by an undead RSS feed.
- Bwana
Blogging isn't dead, but blogging on one platform is dead. And right, blogs used to be shorter.
- Francine Hardaway
twitter is messaging not bloggin
- Joshua Dale
oh man
- Bwana
LONG is good.
- Raymond M. Kristiansen
I think you're right Denise
- Matthew
The destruction of society as we know it. Lazier and fatter. Idiocracy, check it out.
- Jackson Pollock
Leo actually said too much work
- Bwana
Been blogging since 2000. Archives are on WP from 2002. Much shorters posts in the past.
- Francine Hardaway
everything is what you make it
- Andrew Johnson
the man who's a one man tv studio
- Bwana
ok one man, one woman
- Bwana
FOG?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
For Leo, that's true
- Francine Hardaway
Inchoate. Good word
- Francine Hardaway
Yours, with my blessing Tina.
- Denise Howell
he's doing top secret kid stuff
- Bwana
I've got a new podcast idea. The Snakepit. Hosts Gillmour, Dvorak, Calcanis and Winer. I think it could really take off.
- Jackson Pollock
I keep buffering
- Tina Chase Gillmor
these kids will have me out of a job :-)
- Jamie
i kept buffering on IE but not on Google Chrome
- Raymond M. Kristiansen
might be a short list Denise ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Tina, Bit Gravity does that
- Francine Hardaway
I can't wait for the kids to kick us old folks out of all the power spots
- Mike Taylor
thats because chrome is made of WIN
- ralphsaunders
I know... sometimes sucks
- Tina Chase Gillmor
tina ustream or stickam will probably work better for you
- Preternat (Ken Cadby)
I was buffering on Firefox, so I switched over to Chrome and it was ok for about 10 min, now its buffering again.
- Tony Miller
Abby's Road... cute
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Abbey Road wasn't suppose to be called Abbey Road. It was originally named Mount Everest
- Jackson Pollock
McCartney said, let's just go across the street and take a picture, cheaper, easier.
- Jackson Pollock
Another crazy Saturday afternoon.
- Robert Scoble
Thanks for joining us.
- Robert Scoble
wooo yeah
- ralphsaunders
thanks Tina
- Hilary Talbot
Good show.
- Willowdale
Thanks Robert
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
thanks for another great GG
- Mike Taylor
Ach, you folks haven't followed Kevin since the cooling of the earth (or shortly thereafter) http://funnystories.blogspot.com/
- Denise Howell
After show was teh best bit!
- Chris Lloyd
Good show today
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
This show should be renamed "This Week in Social Media"
- ralphsaunders
thanks everyone.... you people make this show a valuable experience
- Tina Chase Gillmor
youtube is going turn into only to silly cat videos as things like Hulu have all the real content.
- Mike Bracco
oooh... never heard this before!
- Chris Lloyd
Since I use Miro for all my main youtube subscriptions, its all already downloaded.
- Tony Miller
See ya all! Going to watch The Treasure of the Sierra Madre...
- Jérôme Flipo
if you pass a cirtain file to youtube... there's no re-encoding
- Chris Lloyd
Thanks Tina, fun to make it live for a change.
- Denise Howell
Can't Leo just record it locally?
- Greg Byrne
Off to other tasks - Have fun y'all :-)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Denise.... holler when you come to town
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Will do, been too long
- Denise Howell
saw a women like that last night
- ralphsaunders
never seen steves kids before.
- Jamie
Any idea why the podcast hasn't been updated in over a month? Has GG moved back to a live only format?
- Adi
Reading aloud is dead! :-)
- invariant
Beat me to it, invariant, lol
- Tony Miller
Just saw the Leo bursting ball video. Can't stop laughing...Now my wife thinks I should get one
- TonyatMATC
Bye Ella, Steve, Leo, all.
- Denise Howell
hi from georgia soundeing good and looking good
- daveccorey
You don't have to have everything anymore with FF notifier. You can pick and choose very specifically.
- Tony Miller
Go lefty's!
- Tony Miller
Are they going to re-run GG. I missed it.
- Wo
Re-run at 5:30 for Gillmor?
- Wo
yes 5:30
- Tina Chase Gillmor
great!
- Wo
not being able to download Gilmor Gang and it only being live sucks... then again the shows is kind of getting boring and repiticious.
- Joel Asaro
They're looking into video downloads of the show... waiting for youtube to allow downloads apparently???
- Chris Lloyd
C Lloyd, they've got an a/v sync problem. Apparently when YouTube does its encoding the sync is skewed.
- Chris Heath
Though discussion because it touches on too many dimensions: RSS as a data format, RSS as a client experience, RSS as a latency, RSS as a solitary experience compared to twitter as a social experience.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
RSS (ATOM) is going to continue to be a key extensible data integration format (as proven) by the work on Atom Pub and the Activity Stream initiatives.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
But new experiences will be built on top of the RSS data integration platform (which will evolve from a simple pull to a combination of push and pull). Many new experience to adapt to both the fact that an increasing number of people are mobile, an increasing number of people want to use their social connections as a filter and an increasing number of people like to check new more often than in the past.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Just watched the re-run, RSS is not dead (yet) but it's not the main technology used for key innovations in realtime, which is Gillmor's point and finally it's getting understood by others.
- Alberto Saavedra
I am waiting for Google to buy Friendfeed and to kill Twitter and Facebook
- Charbax
1141 PM IN GEORGIA GOOD NIGHT EVERY 1 SWEET DREAMS SEE YA SOON
- daveccorey
Missed the show again today, but trying to read over the comments... was it just another round of people talking past each other about whether "RSS is Dead"?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken: pretty much!
- Robert Scoble
Lovely.
- Ken Sheppardson
Wouldn't it be awesome if these comments could sync up to a recording of the audio/video? FF needs to start time tagging comments for a start.
- invariant
invariant: the speech bubble to the left of the comment has a relative timestamp if you mouse over it.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Looks like it isn't fine-grained enough (starts rounding to the hour).
- invariant
I keep pushing for absolute timestamps on those rather than relative ones.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
The API will give you absolute times.
- ...Vezquex
quite right. I see them in f2p for sure.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I think some people should just stop crossposting all their stuff including @s and RTs to Facebook, it is pollution in most cases
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I post ev ererything from FriendFeed to Twitter to FB. Keeps the followers to those who are interested
- Steve Gillmor
Oddly, no one has ever acknowledged the massive number of entries that Friendfeed pumps into my Facebook stream.
- ...Vezquex
Agree! Especially if u use @peoplebrowsr like me ;) really need to clean up the autopost mess. Wish somebody could invent some smart cross posting strategies and share their wisdom :)
- Jan Friman
from Nambu
I do it selectively, see http://www.jeffsandquist.com/synchro...
- Jeff Sandquist
I don't feed any of the SM stuff to facebook, waste of time, both for others and myself.
- Richard A.
Yeah, I'm with Gillmor, using FF as the primary tap into the SM hose. Figure it will eventually build brand and traffic back to FF.
- Thom Kennon
I agree with Loic and disagree with S.Gillmor, as much as I admire him, crossposting is broadcasting. Each of these services have their own flavor, a different set of friends. A different interaction is appropriate in each. It works best when we respect the differences and create unique exchanges on the various services we use.
- stephen harlow
Steve, problem is that you don't get the replies and FB comments so you don't really interact except on FF comments right?
- Loic Le Meur
Here's how I do it, Loic: http://www.slideshare.net/louisgr...
- Louis Gray
loic, I do get the replies via Twitterspy and FB comments via email. When track returns I'm all set
- Steve Gillmor
i don't mind getting stuff twice, makes it less likely i miss something
- Christopher Harris
What's Facebook?
- Richard Carter, FCD
@Richard Carter, FCD - I think it's something like this:- http://www.georgegroves.org.uk/photoal...
- Graham Steel
I found something very interesting. I posted almost nothing on Facebook for the past year, so I didn't lose any of my high quality followers (which include CEOs and big name press from across the tech industry). But then I tried putting friendfeed/Twitter in there and I started getting complaints, so I stopped it. I now post things specifically for my Facebook friends on Facebook and try to let everyone know that my main place of posting is friendfeed now.
- Robert Scoble
I'm still trying to find the optimal ratio of posting. The problem is there simply isn't enough technology to do what I want. I may write something if no one accomplishes what I need for this.
- Jesse Stay
I never used facebook extensively and like to keep my accounts separate. I think friendfeed is the most intelligent of all social web apps.
- ashish damania
Agreed. I've been more mindful of cross posting and never did it with my FB status.
- Mark Gehrke
I agree with Loic in cases where people use Twitter primarily as a tool for one to one or fragmented communications and the fact that he used "some people" and "most cases" leads me to believe some people don't fit the mold. I find myself being one of those. I currently cross-post >90% of my stuff to FF/FB/Twitter. That said, I consciously make an effort to put context in every one of my outbound messages & if something doesn't warrant cross-posting I don't do it.
- Mark Krynsky
A discreet compromise would be to use something like the Social RSS application in FB to show your routine Twitter traffic on a tab separate from your main page.
- Paul Robertson
When you get multiple duplicates of the same message on friendfeed because it's also posted to tumblr, thats the worst.
- Matt Robson
thank you all for your feedback. Looks like there are very different styles and the comments here are mostly from friendfeed lovers (which I understand why they like it), very different pattern from what I see from non friendfeed users though
- Loic Le Meur
and your point?
- Steve Gillmor
Have you seen Jimmy Fallon's dupes, he needs to get his PA on it ASAP it's the social media equivalent of stuttering
- sofarsoShawn
I had some problems with duplicate posting at first, but once I figured it out, it's been fine. FF is my principal gazinta, and it aggregatges all my gazoutas, but it doesn't multipost. That said, I try to keep the signal to bullshit ratio high....
- Alan Chamberlain
I like to be able to select (from FF0 what goes to FB like we can with Twitter.
- Kol Tregaskes
Loic 1 Gillmor 0 Let's keep them channels separate, they will find you if they love you. I love your Gillmor Gang however Steve! That's a sweet channel everyone should check out.
- Chad Harris
Araceli: How did you set that up?
- (Garin Kilpatrick)
Twitter should not be fed directly into Facebook in most cases, FB and Twitter are two completely different animals. Despite this bringing Facebook to Twitter is okay. The @replies are what pollutes the Twitter/FB Integration.
- (Garin Kilpatrick)
I agree with Loic and Scoble. Facebook is more real life friends and I share more personal and less techy stuff. Twitter is sort of like my id. Although now I'm giving friendfeed a go for a week so I may be making the switch full time. But, for the most part, I consider friendfeed and twitter to be the same result by different means. For me though, it remains to be seen which means I like better.
- James Poling
Garin: I use http://apps.facebook.com/twitter... to publish Twitter to Facebook. It doesn't post @s. For notifications I bring in this RSS as an imaginary friend for Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/notific... and for Twitter this one: http://twitter.com/replies
- Araceli
hey MG are you there?
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yup
- MG Siegler
though behind the camera
- MG Siegler
what's this about bundles, why are they in any way useful?
- Steve Gillmor
for new users they could potentially be. for example when my friends ask me what feeds to follow when they sign up and i use to have to copy and paste all the feed links for them to put in their GReader
- MG Siegler
but it's not some big new feature that is going to revolutionize the service
- MG Siegler
useful just as GOOG's own bundles were useful, but more personalized
- MG Siegler
I see, so it's potentially useful for new users who eventually will abandon GR for Twitter
- Steve Gillmor
yes, which i mentioned in my post with a link to your post :)
- MG Siegler
for advanced users (I nearly live in Google Reader) bundles could be useful to round out my own collections - seeing what other people deem useful to follow could help me select what I follow. Especially as they will be updated as that person updates their own collections (as far as I understand) so nicer than just getting a static OPML file
- Shannon Clark
I'm never abandoning Google Reader for twitter - they serve vastly different purposes
- Shannon Clark
yes but by suggesting I had good points you subtly suggested that my entire thesis was perhaps not completely true
- Steve Gillmor
only because i will not use twitter (as is) for my feed aggregation. i have way too many feeds i follow
- MG Siegler
I love Steve Gillmor and Google Reader. Twitter....not so much.
- Wo
Twitter = Kleenex
- Steve Gillmor
but i agree with the overall idea that twitter is better as a content mover for most users
- MG Siegler
sure, but i still don't see any of these replacing my usage of RSS in the short term. FriendFeed is the most interesting, but still not enough content the way i consume content
- MG Siegler
but for most users, i agree, twitter and the others are more than enough for spreading/finding new content
- MG Siegler
so bundles are good for seriously advanced users who care about helping new users to become invested in a dead technology
- Steve Gillmor
I don't find Friendfeed as compelling as twitter (in part because it is more tied to a full browser experience) Google Reader & Twitter I use on my iPhone as much, perhaps more so than I do in a full web browser
- Shannon Clark
or for trying to make it easier to get started with RSS to help it fight back against the easier to use alternatives. but yes, more or less, that sounds like a good follow up post for you to write
- MG Siegler
Bundles don't interest me but Twitter can't come even close to replacing RSS for now. There's far to much junk and it's hard to tell what is what. Perhaps when track is available and I am able to master it. Until then, Google Reader.
- Wo
i think google reader could be a very cool product if the social features didn't suck (which i've written about numerous times) -- but they do. twitter and the like kick its ass in that regard obviously
- MG Siegler
I am waiting for a credible rejoinder before following up, which so far would be redundant
- Steve Gillmor
couldn't agree with you more MG
- Steve Gillmor
I personally find the social features of Google Reader fairly useful and striking a useful balance - I mostly don't look at what my friends are sharing (I share at a rate of 3-4x more than any of my friends) but when I do almost uniformly they have shared stuff I'm really happy to see and which are from feeds I didn't yet follow (though I often add them)
- Shannon Clark
i find the whole UI to be bad for the social stuff, things are tucked away, those tiny comments at the bottom. i see a spike in social usage when new features are released then they fall off a cliff. sharing without comments works fairly well because it's so simple. commenting needs to be as simple. like it is on FF
- MG Siegler
Gillmor loves his rejoinders. That's why we love him.
- Wo
i actually think FF has helped Goog Reader shared stuff a lot. at least it spurs everyone here into sharing stuff.
- MG Siegler
I use the Notes bookmarklet to share stuff into GR to get to FF
- Steve Gillmor
Google reader and bundles aside, RSS will always be a more predictable/reliable source of quality content (where quality > 140 chars.) as such tools like bundles are theoretically good if not technically unnecessary given opml.
- BryanSchuetz
When FF supports OPML there will be a nice synergy betw it and GR. You'll be able to use either as the UI for the other.
- Dave Winer
With F2 people are starting to learn about sharing there reading materials... in GR they can add a little cometary as well.
- David Damore
well I don't actually care much about comments when reading RSS feeds (could do without Google Reader, FriendFeed etc migrating conversations to many places - prefer when they are all in one place/aggregated) I do, however, love seeing my friend's notes about a post when they share it - gives me lots of insights into my friends which I really value
- Shannon Clark
Feedly has much better social stuff, and you can import your content from Google Reader into it. Should it be part of this discussion?
- Francine Hardaway
followfriday is shoehorning this idea into the twitter domain - a list of people you think worth following
- Kevin Marks
Kevin - true but it is worth noting that many of the feeds I follow aren't easily mapped to "people" - plenty of what I follow are search results RSS feeds or corporate sites/group blogs
- Shannon Clark
does the Home feed only go back a limited amount?
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You can go back 20 pages of 30 items. http://friendfeed.com/...
- Louis Gray
why?
- Steve Gillmor
That is a question you would need to ask FriendFeed. I would guess (and will look) that this limitation is the same across all lists, Home included. That said, search is very thorough.
- Louis Gray
I am asking friendfeed right here
- Steve Gillmor
Then in time, they will see it. I need to amend my prior comment to correctly say 600 items and 20 pages. That is true and consistent across other lists.
- Louis Gray
There are older items in the system... they show up in searches... it looks like maybe the list just contains the 600 most recent items.
- Ken Sheppardson
Apparently it's just a UI limit. You can go back and get everything via the API, e.g. http://friendfeed.com/api...
- Ken Sheppardson
Steve, different than feed history paging, but Kol compiled an interesting list of ff character limitations http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Micah Wittman
Ken, I guess that means I've had about 20,000 individual items posted to FriendFeed since January of 2008. http://friendfeed.com/api...
- Louis Gray
Louis: Seems like there's some other limit in effect there... if I go past start=1593 I don't get anything, but yours only goes back to 1/2008 not matter how large a number you enter for "start"
- Ken Sheppardson
I wish you could go back further but yeah FF have always had this limit. They actually doubled it a while back so, who knows, FF might extended it again.
- Kol Tregaskes
AFAIK FriendFeed has claimed the limit on paging back is for "performance" issues. All posts (it is claimed) since the beginning of time are archived and can be viewed (if you know the direct url or can find the post with a narrow enough search).
- Brian Sullivan
> @Karoli thanks for the link re G. Gang in real time only! i will look forward to the later release but I can't do real time on dog walks:(
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I think all of the shows will be released eventually. comments seemed to indicate working-out of some youtube glitches
- Karoli
There should be realtime voice to text and text to voice clients for friendfeed.
- Chuck Baggett
twit.am 3PM Pacific Saturday good time to walk dog
- Steve Gillmor
I will commit to walking dog at 3 PM Sat. to listen to GG. Or better still, go to the gym.
- Francine Hardaway
Steve, my dog insists on 3pm walkies. it's hard-wired into her. so glad to have a way to listen.
- Karoli
of course, I have an iPhone so this works for me.
- Steve Gillmor
steve, i have an iphone too. so there.
- Karoli
excellent
- Steve Gillmor
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We have arrived to the TV or Not TV moment...
- Aron Michalski
Still using Google Reader, I see, Steve. "RSS is dead", indeed.
- Richard Carter, FCD
Richard: I'll betcha he didn't use Google Reader, just shared from the bookmarklet
- Karoli
I use Bookmarklets for FF, FB, GR, etc... come to think of it, they dominate my bookmark bar real estate. I like the FF since it will pseudo-two-phase commit to Twitter as well.
- Jay Cuthrell
Jay, I like Google Reader b/c it reaches FF, Twitter, and friends who are on neither but share via GR.
- Karoli
Karoli - oooh... where did you set that up? URL? :) Is that a FF functionality by accepting GR feed? (I'm assuming the "Post my FriendFeed entries on Twitter by default" is selected?)
- Jay Cuthrell
Jay, my Google Reader shares come to FF, then you can designate in settings what you share on Twitter...select GR. Only problem is being careful not to flood.
- Karoli
Sharing GR as described by Karoli has the added benefit of enabling one-touch sharing from GR's safari interface on the iPhone. Mobile sharing can't get much easier.
- Stephen M. Otto
I don't read Google Reader these days, but indeed do use the Note bookmarklet to post pages through to FF. Note not RSS items but page URLs. See Rest In Peace etc.
- Steve Gillmor
The 'like' switch on FF/FB drive me nuts.don't click;don't "like"? I'm uncomfortable 'liking' torture, poverty, crime, and others' pain.
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But I might want to comment, or spread the info out to others...must be a better word than 'like'. Notice, maybe?
- Karoli
Yeah. Should say something like "Don't miss this"
- Francine Hardaway
How about "recommend"
- Leo Laporte
Yeah I think recommend would be better...
- Rustic Thoughts
I'm finding it more likeable by the minute. As in I like how stupid this is or I like this enough to say so. Other benefit is that the rest I don't like without having to do anything
- Steve Gillmor
I like contrarians. Even grumpy ones.
- Karoli
Or "Flag"?
- Greg Byrne
my point exactly Karoli
- Steve Gillmor
"Mark". "Spray". "Foul".
- Aron Michalski
steve, how do i know if you like how stupid it is or like it for real?
- Karoli
or?
- Steve Gillmor
yeah, or.
- Karoli
Flag has negative connotations ("Flag as mature") and recommend implies emailing to me. I've just gotten used to 'liking' horrible things and hoping people know what I mean by doing so.
- Robert Haas
Does @stevegillmor like things for real? I had no idea:-)
- Francine Hardaway
If you take a position and want to state that, a short comment is the tool - it gives you whatever word you want to use.
- Micah Wittman
Approve doesn't work. I don't approve of torture or stupid republican tricks. (stupid modifies tricks BTW)
- Karoli
Aronski. I like "mark"
- Francine Hardaway
When I send something important over Twitter, whether I agree with it or not, I just say "Must read. " That seems to work
- Francine Hardaway
I posted on this back in November (though I'm comfortable with just Like now) http://friendfeed.com/micahwi...
- Micah Wittman
I'd love to see a service that says "Aronski clicked this for no apparent reason"
- Aron Michalski
Micah, I liked that
- Karoli
We just need an array of, like, half a dozen different emoticons and you just click on the one that applies, ala GetSatisfaction
- Ken Sheppardson
Ahyhhhhh, Kshep you are on to something.
- Francine Hardaway
Liked your liking :)
- Micah Wittman
ah...another contrarian in our midst. humor and funny guys everywhere.
- Karoli
naah I like everything I click like, just for different reasons that I don't care to share
- Steve Gillmor
no,no,no, simplify, not complicate.
- Aron Michalski
I wanna mark them "Things that make you go Hmmmm"
- William Kapes
drives me crazy when i see retweets on twitter @karoli liked [cite article here on bad stuff]
- Karoli
don't read twitter
- Steve Gillmor
Yes, it's cognitive dissonance
- Francine Hardaway
no it's not
- Steve Gillmor
twitter is one of my feeds here. i read here. hence, i read twitter.
- Karoli
if you say so, I disagree
- Steve Gillmor
OK, if we don't solve this soon, I will have to go back to work. I work.
- Francine Hardaway
here is ff
- Steve Gillmor
Not hard, though
- Francine Hardaway
this is work francine
- Steve Gillmor
I get what you're saying but to me, "flag" sound like spam. Things that are 'icky' to some may not be 'icky' to others. I don't use "like" in its literal sense on Friendfeed. I use "like" to mark things I find interesting, things that deserve attention, things that i want others to see... i actually may or may not literally "like" it.
- Violet Mae Lim
Who is paying me?
- Francine Hardaway
dunno
- Steve Gillmor
Exactly Violet, but then people wonder what you believe
- Francine Hardaway
here is ff. ff includes tweets. twitter is where 90% of the folks i follow still inhabit. the idea of @karoli LIKING anything to do with ugly topics drives me crazy.
- Karoli
Unfortunately, me neither, Steve
- Francine Hardaway
no I dunno who pays you
- Steve Gillmor
I would like to call attention to the fact that a bunch of good friends are now having fun having a real time conversation
- Francine Hardaway
I resent you saying that francine :)
- Steve Gillmor
Violet, agree with you on flag. and I 'like' for similar reasons. it's when it is rebroadcast that my cringe reflex kicks in.
- Karoli
ROFL ROFL
- Francine Hardaway
LOL Steve. FTW. :)
- Karoli
This is Steve GIllmor. Thanks to everybody who showed up and especially to those who ddin't
- Francine Hardaway
Francine- what do you mean? Do you mean in terms of my morals, values and beliefs?
- Violet Mae Lim
No, I meant "you" in the sense of "one"
- Francine Hardaway
text-based NewsGang Live? lol
- Karoli
I can't decide if I Like this thread or not.
- Ken Sheppardson
Cute
- Francine Hardaway
I Flag, it... not sure if I'd go so far as to say Like.
- Ken Sheppardson
Francine- Ah, I see what you mean. That might come with the territory of using a word like "like". On this platform it means different things to different people. Personally, I do "like" things that I literally do like but I also "like" things that are the opposite of what I believe. As a person I objectively read both sides of every argument to balance myself, my thoughts and my views out. /long explanation
- Violet Mae Lim
I have the same problem. Given that this is all meta-topical, I'd say you "like" the way it was brought to your attention. I still tend to not "like" the notice of something unless I also like what is being discussed.
- Dustin Sallings
I like the lack of Like's for comments so that it becomes an intelligense test to figure out what comment I liked
- Steve Gillmor
Steve, i'm flattered that you would assume i have intelligence. I have long since decided i cannot figure you out, rely only on instinct for that.
- Karoli
much as I do
- Steve Gillmor
@leolaporte is onto something calling it "recommend. you define yourself by what you "like" ie find relevant or worth paying attention to. cant say too much without saying too much. " this is really a million dollar question with deep implications. you'd love what we're working on at TheWibe. the confusion >>> incomplete paradigm.
- Elias
But there are very few things I "Like" that I "Recommend". The way I've heard the FriendFeed folks explain it, and the way I use it, is "I like the fact that you shared this." which has for me sorta morphed into "I like the fact that this entry/discussion exists." I'm not Recommending that anybody else read it, I don't endorse the opinion(s) expressed, and I certainly don't necessarility agree with any of the comments or opinions.
- Ken Sheppardson
Maybe they could rename it "Eh"
- Ken Sheppardson
I like Leo, but I think Recommend is neither here nor there. It very much carries the same (conventional) connotation as Like. If you recommend a dentist, it's not because your mouth is still numb and there's an interesting malpractice story to tell.
- Micah Wittman
Micah: Do you like Leo or do you *Like* Leo?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, or "huh"
- Karoli
Maybe it should be, like, a little picture of Spock raising his eyebrow, and you just click on his face.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, Leo *dead*s me.
- Micah Wittman
Recommend: Here's the RT on Twitter: @Karoli recommends Waterboarding only tip of torture iceberg. 100 years from now my great-grandchildren will scratch their heads and wonder what DNA they cary.
- Karoli
I'm waiting for Steve to suggest calling it "Gesture"
- Ken Sheppardson
it's A gesture, but so is not saying anything
- Steve Gillmor
Elias: You said that already.
- Ken Sheppardson
Karoli, do you have stacks of telegrams from your great-grandparent to pour over and analyze? Would you rather have a trove of mysterious documentation than none at all?
- Micah Wittman
sorry thought i could edit
- Elias
Oh, jeez... you mean our great-grandkids are going to read all this? Why didn't somebody tell me?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, only if they know you as Great Grampa Kshep.
- Micah Wittman
Micah, funny you should ask. I have been trying for years to get some info on my father's gf...finally received the most mysterious packet of info. It's a challenge trying to figure out why people saved some things, not others, wrote about weird out-of-step topics, etc. If 1/100th of what I write is preserved for future generations and I don't control what it is, and it comes from...
more...
- Karoli
"When the gesture sang for the king and queen / In a coat he borrowed from james dean / And a voice that came from you and me..."
- Micah Wittman
i LIKE Micah's lyric.
- Karoli
How 'bout "gesture"? Or does O'Reilly own that too?
- Aron Michalski
Dude.
- Ken Sheppardson
Elias, i heard you the first, second and third times. you're not selling us something, are you? or self-promoting? of course not. to edit original post: click "edit", make your changes, and then hit "post". It will remain in original thread, with new text.
- Karoli
Karoli, sorry no joke, I'm having a handfull with my g1 app and a toddler. first time I thought i could edit
- Elias
Elias, my bad then. You can edit. just click the edit button. don't use your browser to go 'back', edit and repost. all of your posts are editable in their original position.
- Karoli
Why not simply "Notify?" That seems to not offend anyone, and it's what you're actually doing. You are notifying friends, a network, or a process of something they/it should be aware of.
- Shoq
Not getting payed for this but google actually got closer to this one than anyone. "Star" entails marking it special, without any emotional or qualitative connotation. "Like" was probably positioning against that fact... I wonder if google owns "star."
- Elias
@Ken_Shepardson Right on the money, you might only recommend a few of the things you "like" seeing. In fact sometimes you run across something noteworthy but you starkly disagree with. Let's just say we haven't seen the solution to this one yet.
- Elias
I've always thought "like" is the wrong word and should be "mark" instead. I want to mark posts on here as notable, but I don't want to "like" really negative things. For example, I'd hate to "like" someone's personal loss or whatever. Bad kharma.
- Rick Cogley
I've mentioned this a few times. I'm in favour of 'Star', as an icon rather than a word. There is no implication of approval or otherwise. If Like is a keeper then let's have the option 'Dislike' as well. The only other option I can see is 'Noted'. Again there is no implied approval. And that looks a whole lot more grown up in the Twitter feed than Liked.
- Gilbert Harding
I dislike like. Of the alternatives, I think "mark" or "star" are the most agnostic.
- chauncey
#iiw8 is finished. What amazing energy and collaboration. Thanks to everyone.
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great job Phil
- Steve Gillmor