The Gillmor Gang — Dan Farber, Robert Scoble, Kevin Marks, and Steve Gillmor — absorb the WWDC keynote. iOS7, OS/10 Mavericks, Macbook Air refresh, and iTunes Radio were the big bullets, but underlying the event was the resurgence of Apple as the leader in setting the agenda. Not everyone buys this perspective, of course. @scobleizer sees this as the assignment of RIM and Microsoft to the dustbin of history. But wait, there’s XBox. @dbfarber provides the context, @kevinmarks the technopop view, and I watch from the comfort of my living room as Apple TV looms, the elephant in the room. 1080P HD straight into the living room, iOS7′s control panel makes AirPlay one scroll and click away. Apple no longer feels haunted by the ghost of Steve Jobs; they’re having fun again in Cupertino. @stevegillmor, @scobleizer, @dbfarber, @kevinmarks Produced and directed by Tina Chase Gillmor @tinagillmor Live recording chat stream
- Steve Gillmor
You guys are all brainwashed by your Apple/Early Adopter status and whatever you use in your home. You're forgetting real users and real numbers, Who sells more TVs? Samsung or Apple? (Apple has only sold 13M Apple TVs) With Android built into Samsung (and other competitors') TVs, Roku and over a million of Raspberry Pi devices already in the field, not to mention the oncoming onslaught...
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- Murray Macdonald
The Gillmor Gang — Robert Scoble, Kevin Marks, Keith Teare, and Steve Gillmor — view the world through PRISM glasses. We, or me, couldn't help wondering what part of surpised we are at the idea we're being monitored and scraped within an inch of our metadata. It's hard to tell whether we're worried about losing our individual freedoms, or having to do the hard work of balancing the tradeoffs in a dangerous world of drones and the streams that feed them.
- Steve Gillmor
The Gillmor Gang — Robert Scoble, Keith Teare, John Taschek, Kevin Marks, and Steve Gillmor — recorded early on a Thursday morning, flush with Apple CEO Tim Cook's read-between-the-lines performance at D11. Cook took some 80 minutes to say very little, or so say the pundits and Wall Street spinners. But the Gang found plenty to decrypt, including thoughts on Apple TV, wearable computing, value versus volume, and just about everything Steve Jobs used to do minus the famous reality distortion field.
- Steve Gillmor
The Gillmor Gang — Robert Scoble, Kevin Marks, Keith Teare, John Taschek, and Steve Gillmor — neatly sidestepped the Yahoo Tumblr acquisition and segued into the wonderful world of messaging. As Facebook Home settles into a cot at the homeless shelter, Google is revving up for an all-out assault on the service suite. Google Glass is just the tip of the iceberg; below the waterline, the search giant is sucking image, location, traffic, and advertising data in realtime.
- Steve Gillmor
This Gillmor Gang was recorded live at betaday, the betaworks annual gathering in New York. The Gillmor Gang included John Borthwick, Robert Scoble, Douglas Rushkoff, Paul Davison, and Steve Gillmor. Enjoy.
- Steve Gillmor
Gillmor Gang - Robert Scoble, Paul Davidson, John Borthwick, Douglas Rushkoff, and Steve Gillmor. Recorded live from New York City BetaDay conference 11am Pacific/2pm EST.
- Steve Gillmor
The Gillmor Gang — Robert Scoble, John Taschek, Kevin Marks, Keith Teare, and Steve Gillmor — broke from the gate and never let up in a barnburner of a show about the post-Jobs era. Will Google assume the mantle of leadership from an aging Apple, or is this just an evolutionary step along across the stream of innovation triggered by the iPhone/iPad? There's plenty of data on both sides of this coin. Certainly Google Glass has triggered a lot of the same atmospherics that accompanied Apple's storming of the Microsoft barricades. Every day we see the wreckage of the PC era float past us as our thoughts shift from Windows to Web to apps. Mobile has won the war for our hearts and minds. As Adam said to Eve: Stand back, we don't know how big this is going to get.
- Steve Gillmor
The Gillmor Gang — Robert Scoble, Kevin Marks, Keith Teare, and Steve Gillmor — well, we talked Google Glass. @scobleizer has certainly made the case for the life-altering shower-taking scenarios, but what the Gang got into was what happens next. Do we wait for the actual launch early next year, or is the die already cast with this alpha rollout? One thing for sure: there's plenty to unravel in this second Glass hour in a row.
- Steve Gillmor
@kevin Facebook seems to be trying to figure out how to take all that traffic and turn it into money... unlike ost companies who know how to make money and are trying to get traffic..... what does that say?
- Matthew Voshell
@clive I tried graph search... it "works" but I never use it...
- Matthew Voshell
"Walked outside with Google Glass for the first time. Stepped in dog poop almost immediately. Pretty sure this is what the future is like." Aaron Gotwalt
- Kevin Marks
so looking forward to Glass, my neck hurts having to constantly look down at my phone
- Da
Because kids dont have enough access to video games..
- Christian Burns
@Matthew Google search became terribly boring, link results too predictable or gamed. Graph Search much more interesting. FB engineering paper explains why.
- clive boulton
@Da They might need to figure out how to cool the CPU when Glass is attached to an external battery.
- Alex de Soto
You can't write local apps... My understanding is all 3rd party apps are in the cloud. Is that not true? Can you install a local app?
- Murray Macdonald
you need to hack it to write local apps yes
- Kevin Marks
It occurs to me that the feedback from wearing this device is where the real product is going to come from.
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Vuzix allows real local apps on the device...
- Murray Macdonald
Glass camera should recognize a limited set of gestures but ignore others, like fly swats for example.
- Alex de Soto
The fact it works at all is awesome. Main discussion is, is it ready?
- Keith Teare
And is it the right way to incorporate computing into the person
- Keith Teare
what I mean is that the things people discover in using the early product will create main features and dictate what this product looks and feels like eventually. Might be a "duh" statement but real important here
- Tina Chase Gillmor
so as good as google voice recognition on android
- Christian Burns
Glass is just like every other Google "product". Nothing more then another input to their global information AI. It will go the way of Reader as soon as it's signal to noise ratio is bad.
- Jerry Schuman
virtual keyboard floating in front of you? plenty of times when i don't want to talk out loud
- Da
I almost never want to talk out loud to a gadget
- Kevin Marks
WiFi direct is capable of much more than screens; any p2p communications between apps. If the eyepiece, camera, phone and such are going to collaborate together, you need much more than screen sharing. You need an open p2p API
- Murray Macdonald
i want multiple windows on my Glass. no external, multiple physical screens wanted
- Da
Google not tuning for personal nuances opens up for competition
- clive boulton
Bluetooth is too slow, unless it uses wifi. Wifi direct is all that and more... AirPlay is the new FaceTime. A proprietary flavor of a generic ability.
- Murray Macdonald
I'd rather have a device I can write local computer vision application on... Everything in the cloud is going to make everything latent. The problem is battery life...
- Murray Macdonald
"They" should get out of the way. Writing filters should be open to the 3rd party market. Notifications and "page rank" are proprietary solutions the 3rd party market can't innovate on. Let others write filters....
- Murray Macdonald
What's this Close Friends trick? Is there a blog post about it?
- Evan Prodromou
@Nir yea, Sir Jonny is hard at work, rumors point at a simplier design (ala google) and more continuty across softeware and hardware.... idk, i'm excited i think he's a visionary
- Matthew Voshell
The Gillmor Gang — Danny Sullivan, Dan Farber, Kevin Marks, John Taschek, and Steve Gillmor — note the intersection of social and mainstream medias as the events in Boston unfolded in real time. What has been framed as a competition became something more, as Twitter streams, scanner apps, and local news streams meshed with CNN et al. Inspired curation by @dannysullivan produced an authoritative feed of credible crowdsourced updates. Tweeters at the scene produced wry commentary on reporter exaggeration, eventually encouraging a hybrid blend of real time speed and news judgement. Our thoughts remain with the brave and resilient people of Watertown, Cambridge, and Boston.
- Steve Gillmor
The Gillmor Gang — Robert Scoble, Kevin Marks, John Taschek, and Steve Gillmor — pictured themselves in a boat on a river, as the first wave of Google Glass hit the network, aka Scoble's forehead. @scobleizer promises to never take off this thing, and even the hyperbole doesn't refute the central notion. The whole world is not only watching but feeding the realtime stream. Social meets mainstream.
- Steve Gillmor
The Gillmor Gang — Kevin Marks, John Taschek, Keith Teare, and Steve Gillmor — spared no expense to bring you the finest in up-to-date tech commentary. In other words, we tore into Twitter Music, ignored Facebook Home, dissected the internals of AirPlay, and cashed our Bitcoin checks. Our attention is a zero sum game, and whether it’s West Wing or Twitter pointers into the musicsphere, how we make our streaming choices will determine who the big winners are. What we’re really waiting for is the tipping point when the streamer artists crossover and recapture the idea that the creators are the real coin of the realm. @stevegillmor, @kteare, @kevinmarks, @jtaschek Produced and directed by Tina Chase Gillmor @tinagillmor
- Steve Gillmor
Thanks Tina.. I kinda do.. it sorta sometimes works for me .. I sometimes see a tweet indicating there is gillmor and sometimes there isn't one as the case last week.. Ironically its almost impossible to search for gillmor gang on tech crunch.. I guess I'm the lucky one in the know.. but for sure almost everyone else has no clue.
- Michael Roberts
I'm using vevo a lot more now too since they have a Roku and iPhone app... Def what youtube could have been if they did any curation.. and what MTV USED to be
- Matthew Voshell
@Kevin... You're right, Ultra Music Festival Live Streamed both weekends on YouTube and displayed tweets onto the stage
- Matthew Voshell
Will there be any comment on Arrington. Sorry to bring it up. I kinda respect the lack of comment about it, but all of you know him and everyone who commented on this story has appeared on the Gillmor Gang.
- Michael Roberts
New Music Discovery App in a Pinterest Style Format- Singterest
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
We are Hunted: We Are Hunted was a San Francisco based software company that developed proprietary search technology which continuously scanned the Internet to identify the hottest new music in the world. The company was founded by Stephen Phillips, Richard Slatter and Michael Doherty.
- John Taschek
iTunes match is an amazing feat... and I use it all the time
- Matthew Voshell
I'll loved House of Cards, but I want the next season now.. in a year I may not care.
- Michael Roberts
when will we be free of an internet connection/utility?
- Kevin Costain
@Keith... You can watch live soccer on FoxSoccer2Go or WatchEspn and Aljazeera English Live Streams thier broadcasts on thier website
- Matthew Voshell
I have cable because I have cable. No other real reason. I don't watch it. I even bought a season pass to MadMen so I could watch it via Airplay
- Francine Hardaway
Its weird watching this show pretending the Arrington story doesn't exist. Did I miss something.
- Michael Roberts
Maybe Netflix should buy a TV Network
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
Jim Morrison is coming back as a hologram.
- Kevin Bryan
Arrington issued a letter from his lawyer showing that the day Jen Allen accused him of rape they were in different cities. See Uncrunched
- Francine Hardaway
In the UK, we have Sky Now which shows a lot more current Movies than Nexflix. Netflix has the cool brand, they don't have enough killer content
- Moe Glitz
from iPhone
Jaffray's report says Reddit, Vine, Snapchat, Kik, and 4chan are trending up w/ teens.
- clive boulton
Francine: oh okay. I guess that settles things. btw. I issued a letter too.. I'm not against him at all. but sorry when does one trust a letter from a lawyer.
- Michael Roberts
The Gillmor Gang — John Borthwick, Kevin Marks, Keith Teare, John Taschek, and Steve Gillmor — spent a too-quick hour on Facebook Home, Twitter’s new deep linking Cards, and the jousting over Webkit. Individually, these developments represent interesting strategy for the major notification platforms of Google, Apple, Twitter, and Facebook. But taken together, we’re seeing an important moment of truth. With Facebook pulling a “kindle” by hijacking Android’s lockscreen for its notification engine, suddenly everybody has to get in line. Apple retains its AirPlay gateway to the big screen, but it’s Facebook not Google that threatens iOS’ fit and finish. And just in time for apps, Twitter sets in motion developer innovation linking app to app and eventually the Web, Look out Cleveland, a fork is coming through. @stevegillmor, @kteare, @kevinmarks, @borthwick, @jtaschek Produced and directed by Tina Chase Gillmor @tinagillmor Live chat stream
- Steve Gillmor
For some reason I have the feeling that we're going to hear about Facebook Home, right? Well, here's my take, it's all about engagement, the more you engage the more you click on ads, and ads are money, so Facebook Home is all about the money.
- Nir Ben Yona
Facebook Home isn't it like carrier cruft?
- clive boulton
I just don't see how anyone would *want* Facebook Home.
- Kevin Costain
I think the Facebook Home has quite a good potential in emerging markets.
- Nir Ben Yona
SInce Robert is in Miami, I'll say it: Facebook will be able to push notifications styled like Home "cards" to Google Glass too. Just change the presentation to horizontal and tweak to use Mirror API. Those Chat Heads could also be pushed to Google Glass, If you like that sort of thing.
- Alex de Soto
Google+ coming to you phone Home soon
- clive boulton
@Matthew nice. I recently got the Fitbit Aria scale myself. Also, I'm currently testing 4 different activity trackers. Withings is releasing one of their own soon.
- Mark Krynsky
@Mark... i almost bought the firbit aria as well.. but it's WIRELESS B?!?!!
- Matthew Voshell
By being the top-most layer app on the home screen, Facebook fans will be more likely to use Facebook services (check-ins, messaging, photos, even email) instead of using other apps "hidden" on the device. Smart. They really want a Facebook app-centric phone.
- Alex de Soto
Now, on a more simplistic level - Facbook Home is a worse launcher itself than any of the older, more crude versions of Android. It's a regression for launcher features.
- Kevin Costain
its not meant to be a good launcher, it's meant to be a good screensaver and notifications shell
- Kevin Marks
Yea, when you go to a website in mobile safari and if it has an app it shows the bar along the top... thats really useful for me
- Matthew Voshell
it's goal is to de-emphasize launching apps
- Kevin Marks
is zuckerberg just trying to open up the data intake like a beluga whale to sell on the back end?
- Matthew Voshell
@Kevin - yes, clearly it's what they're trying to be. But, as an Android user, do I want to give up features to get "Chat Heads"? I'm not so sure.
- Kevin Costain
I just wonder, if people aren't that unsavvy, this might not be very popular. The mass install has to come from downloads - not from buying the phone (Zuck said it himself in the presentation).
- Kevin Costain
And, my feeling is that on the HTC First, the launcher won't be replaceable from FB Home. If that's the case - brutal.
- Kevin Costain
Facebook is to the social web what Goldman Sachs is to the giant sucking octopus
- clive boulton
Google glass "cards" are another example of closed notifications. They all have to go through the google servers. No apps can run locally on the device. Apps can only live in the cloud.
- Murray Macdonald
I for one am sick of this "Mobile First" mantra. I still use my desktop much more than mobile. Call me old school....and get off my lawn.
- Mark Krynsky
.. all in the name of simplification (hello Metro tiles) - :)
- Kevin Costain
The dumbing down of OS's is just another step towards our march to Idiocracy.
- Mark Krynsky
@Mark - maybe we're all just getting old :)
- Kevin Costain
the next phone I buy wiil have a higher res screen than my laptop
- Kevin Marks
Google could copy Facebook Home using Google+ exclusively on a new Motorola phone as a test bed.
- Mark Krynsky
I am an assembly programmer. (embedded microcontrollers)
- Murray Macdonald
Murray - rewire works great on Windows. I'm a Cubase (Steinberg) user. But audiobus does it on the iPad - http://audiob.us/
- John Taschek
Galaxy S4 to Launch in Korea Packing a 1.8GHz Exynos Octa-core Chip, woohoo!!
- Da
Kevin EXACTLY! How is it that we can get these mobile devices to have such awesome resolutions and PPI specs and you have to pay a fortune to get an LCD monitor with that resolution?
- Mark Krynsky
Consider this: In all the years of Windows, how many applications took over the shell (easy to do) and became our "Facebook Home" on Windows?
- Kevin Costain
The Nexus 4 is great, except for the speaker phone... Can't beat the $300 no-contract price.
- Murray Macdonald
I'm actually more excited about the HTC One than the S4 but I do like how Samsung is going down activity health tracking with the S4. I currently have a Nexus 4 but see myself upgrading to a new phone this year. Ah, so nice not to be tied to a contract.
- Mark Krynsky
I am tempted by the Nexus 4 to replace my craked galaxy, but I think I shoudl get a 1080p one to examine
- Kevin Marks
If glass takes off all that content will go to G+, not FB.
- Murray Macdonald
4 hours of Ingress portal battle chews up a 10k mAh external battery pretty well
- Da
Mark - why are you so cranky ... :) I had an HTC Thunderbolt -- good phone. I'd get another HTC. It just that HTC didn't innovate as fast as others. And at the wrong time.
- John Taschek
I don't think Google is even worried about Facebook Home taking anything away from G+. Won't sway the few that use G+ more than FB.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
My ear has been "stuffy" lately. It's been driving me crazy!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
John...I think the HTC One is pretty comparable to the S4.
- Mark Krynsky
I've seen Dropbox on Facebook Home.
- Nir Ben Yona
If Glass takes hold, G+ will be the only place to get all those social shares and notifications.
- Murray Macdonald
Path is already working with Google's Mirror API for Glass.
- Alex de Soto
The mirror API doesn't allow for local applications. Everything has to be done as a restful cloud service that talks via the googleapis servers.
- Murray Macdonald
somebody is clicking an old school bic retractable ballpoint (or so it sounds)
- Andrew Hazlett
I don't think G+ has evolved yet. If I were Google, every percentage of ad revenue makes a difference. If FB takes over some part of the monetization of search, then Google can be hurt (emotionally perhaps).
- John Taschek
It's not much of a risk actually. What's the big deal if it flops beside maybe FB's stock view of future potential.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I don't think even "normal" people are ready to give over *all* of their lives to Facebook
- Andrew Hazlett
Really, there can only be one launcher. What if *that* catches on on Android?
- Kevin Costain
Mark -- think that's why HTC is in the mix too.
- John Taschek
Alex: That rules out decent speech recognition and image processing applications. I think we'll see other real headsets that allow local apps, like the Vuzix M-100
- Murray Macdonald
Where is Scoble to set everyone straight!!!??!!
- Kevin Costain
one of the best vanity plates have ever seen, on an Audi Quattro - "IV Q II" - quite an accomplishment to get it past the DMV (SecOfState here in IL) censors!
- Jerome Hughes
I disagree. HTML5 has resolved that. PhoneGap developers hit cross-platform HTML5 everyday.
- Murray Macdonald
They care about standards? HA! They want to MAKE the standards!
- Kevin Costain
They're open-source. Port the source. Chrome extensions are just web-page extensions. You just need an environment that supports the standards and required events.
- Murray Macdonald
HTML5 is just beginning to be standardized
- John Taschek
Fact is though, browsers still render the same page differently. That (after how long the web has been around) is pure BULLSHIT.
- Kevin Costain
HTML5 has a standards process that is working
- Kevin Marks
Kevin is right -- every browser renders differently
- John Taschek
You're dreaming Steve. The major players are going to fight to keep their notifications isolated. Apple and Google will be holdouts.
- Murray Macdonald
The Gillmor Gang — Doc Searls, Robert Scoble, Kevin Marks, and Steve Gillmor — takes turns sizing up the new season. With Steve Ballmer running out of room and close to the warning track, we talk about who might be called up from the minors. Dave Winer is back with a nifty pivot on Google Reader's trip to the showers. More than anything, Winer made the hard stuff look easy and gave the tech generation a voice.
- Steve Gillmor
The Gillmor Gang — Robert Scoble, Danny Sullivan, Kevin Marks, and Steve Gillmor — convened with Gillmor in Boston and the Gang in California. We took another cut at the Google Reader damage, with @dannysullivan hating on notifications and @scobleizer hating on Android's notifications. Did I say I told him so? Yes I did. But the mere fact we spent so much time on the stream's destruction of Windows and RSS proved the point all along (for me since 2009). Namely, that the new platform is the stream, and the resulting multiplexed meritocracy of the combined social and messaging networks is where the developers will go. As Dylan said, "even the president must stand naked."
- Steve Gillmor
What??? I thought you were going to title this one "Slide over and jack in".
- Laura Norvig
The Gillmor Gang — Robert Scoble, Dan Farber, Keith Teare, Kevin Marks, and Steve Gillmor — enjoys a week of actual tech news for the first time in quite a while. Samsung's latest big screen phone comes with a suite of Android add-ons, some of which tickle @scobleizer's shiny bone while making it clear his rationale for switching to Android has more to do with pocketing his Google Glass base station.
- Steve Gillmor
Something not working with Twitter? That's truly surprising considering they are the most reliable service on the net.
- Bjorn Stromberg
i log into twitter and start following a user - cool. i go to FF and try to set up an imaginary friend (enter name, select twitter service, enter twitter name click "import twitter" and BAM: "We could not find the given account" whoever is causing this, it sux and needs to stop.
- MikeAmundsen
interesting. I saw that a bunch of tweets seemed to come into FF 30 minutes late yesterday. I wonder if this is part of a strategy on Twitter's part to disrupt Twitter service within FF in order to undermine the competition without coming out and taking the heat for publicly pulling the API from them. I hope not.
- Thomas Hawk
Figures the day I finally give in to starting a FF page and I can't wire up my Twitter account.
- Tina Chase Gillmor
We're running into some rate limiting issues, but I'm working with Twitter to get them fixed. I just put out a work-around for now, so you should be able to add your Twitter account now. Sorry for the difficulty.
- Paul Buchheit
Same issue for me. It says "We could not find the given account" when I want to add the Twitter account...
- HDG Ticaret
i am able to add one of my twitter accounts with password, but not another. the second one i still get an error account not found. this sucks.
- Sriky
friendfeed is pulling my tweets from twitter. I want to stop this. In settings, I am not allowed to do it anymore. Can someone help?
- Fatmanur Erdogan
Same issue, @Fatma, servislerden twitter'ı sil.
- siniradam
The Gillmor Gang — Robert Scoble, Keith Teare, John Taschek, Kevin Marks, and Steve Gillmor — spent a beautiful Bay Area day chatting amiably about Android, Apple, and the GUI formerly known as the Lock Screen. With notifications becoming the default interaction point with email, social, and app inputs, the Gang is split down the middle. On one side is @scobleizer and @jtaschek and partially @kevinmarks; on the other more correct side is @kteare and me, @stevegillmor. We think Apple has the more elegant if slightly hamstrung solution, while the rest are Android fanboys waiting desperately for the latest Samsung phone. And of course, @scobleizer sees everything through his forthcoming Glassware, or as he joked, being a Glasshole about it. Oh, the humanity.
- Steve Gillmor