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Fwd: Looks like the connection between FriendFeed and Twitter is no longer real-time. Wonder who is to blame? (via http://friendfeed.com/carnage...)

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It was previously mentioned as an issue on Twitter's side. FriendFeed is polling now. - Louis Gray

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what? It's OK now? Or is it true that "Paul Bucheit wrote that they no longer had access to Twitter's firehose, so it sounds like it may have had something to do with Facebook's acquiring them, but don't quote me on that. - Jorge Escobar" - Steve Gillmor

I think both Louis and Jorge are saying the same thing - Jesse Stay

Right, I'd like to hear Paul or Bret confirm that. - Steve Gillmor

Well, on a maybe related note, the Innovation Management Group (http://friendfeed.com/innovat...) has not updated for 24 hours now. That Group includes direct Twitter accounts, Twitter searches, Delicious RSS for a specific tag and SlideShares with a specific tag. No update at all for 24+ hours. Most odd and frustrating. - Hutch Carpenter

also not finding older posts in search that used to be there. did this change too? - Brooks Bayne

Twitter shut off the firehose, but made available a replacement API called birddog. We're about ready to switch that on (which will restore realtime Twitter updates), but are waiting on some final approvals from legal. I'm hoping it will all be resolved this week. - Paul Buchheit

mmm - Johni Fisher

thx for the feedback, paul - Steve Gillmor

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Looks like the connection between FriendFeed and Twitter is no longer real-time. Wonder who is to blame?

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I think it's been that way for a while. - Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF

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It has been wildly inconsistent lately. Sometimes it is right on time, other times there is a major delay. - Rob Diana

Paul Bucheit wrote that they no longer had access to Twitter's firehose, so it sounds like it may have had something to do with Facebook's acquiring them, but don't quote me on that. - Jorge Escobar

it's weird that twitter signed a deal to give access to google and bing, but friendfeed seems to have lost that deal. - gregory

Paul or Bret: what is the latest status please? - Steve Gillmor

The latest status? They're busy working valiantly on mincing the glory of their FriendFeed UI into the horror show that is Zuckerberg's Facebook UI. - Akiva Moskovitz

from here to Twitter things are going live - Johni Fisher

It was mentioned previously as being an issue with Twitter. They are polling now. - Louis Gray

I am trying to locate the conversation where he said this. But it's clear that Twitter is not giving FF the firehose for *some* reason. And they still aren't. - Jorge Escobar

"The Twitter issue is a separate problem Jorge -- our realtime feed from them is gone, but we hope to get it restored soon. - Paul Buchheit" on Oct 26, 2009 http://friendfeed.com/paul... - Micah Wittman

Parse that as you will. - Micah Wittman

Awesome Micah, I was going nuts for a while. So without going to speculation what do you make of "Twitter's realtime feed from them is gone"? Is it scalability issues? But Google and Bing have no problems? - Jorge Escobar

It's speculation, but I think it's Twitter saying "Ooopsy, now how did that happen? We'll put Top Men on it." and a Friendfeed Alum with "we hope to get it restored" as technically true, but belying that they know or suspect it's a TWTR business decision dragging-of-the-feet and not merely technical. But this can all be cleared up with an official statement :) Maybe I missed it - if so I apologize for wild speculation. - Micah Wittman

Thanx Micah, Jorge. We'll wait for the update from Paul or Bret. - Steve Gillmor

Sounds good :) - Micah Wittman

I wasn't seeing updates from Twitter to Friendfeed for 12 hours, but a manual refresh works ok. It is interesting to note the differences in 'real time' for Friendfeed, Twitter and FaceBook they all behave differently - only one of them seems to be 'real' real time -\ - Chris Loft

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Gillmor Gang recording live 1PM Pacific http://www.building43.com/realtim...?

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Should be a good show. Craig Burton always has something interesting to say. - Cliff Gerrish

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Waiting for call. - Robert Scoble

Looking forward to the show. - Matt Mastracci

A fellow Utahn - I will be watching :-) - Jesse Stay

hmmm. silverlight plugin just went kerfluey on me...let's see if it works now. - Karoli

Still waiting for skype call... - Robert Scoble

Looks like we're very close to start. - Robert Scoble

ah..working now. - Karoli

Chris Messina is on too. - Robert Scoble

Yay Phil and Craig! Two of my favorite Utahns - Jesse Stay

Robert's pretty close to having a "lair" there... - Ken Sheppardson

LIve from @ribbit http://bit.ly/Spawn on Gillmor Gang - Kevin Marks

robert, i can't imagine going from that to an iphone. your head must explode daily. - Karoli

Twitter.com FTW! - Jesse Stay

Actually, I use e-mail for most of my Twitter activity - Jesse Stay

Robert's head exploding is all part of the show. - Cliff Gerrish

You guys should be sure to talk about the new Paypal identity proposals - Jesse Stay

Karoli: info density is pretty crazy! Jesse: I got some good interviews on that yesterday. Should be up on Building43 next week. - Robert Scoble

where are they again? - Christopher Harris

Phil and Chris are at http://www.internetidentityworkshop.com - Ken Sheppardson

thx - Christopher Harris

I love how all the Identity pieces are fitting together now with OpenID+OAuth Hybrid, WebFinger and XRD and Activity Streams and PoCo at #iiw this week - Kevin Marks

IIW was great this year. - Cliff Gerrish

Robert, I'm getting more info on it as well - they want to be much more open than it appeared in the keynote - Jesse Stay

Jesse: I will try to introduce PayPal's identity moves into this conversation. Also, what @marcglasberg http://icents.net is doing to turn Twitter into a micropayments system for content. - Robert Scoble

Robert, missed what @marcglasberg is doing - can't wait to hear more - Jesse Stay

Someone tell Craig to turn the sounds off on his TweetDeck ;-) - Jesse Stay

and tell them I said hi from the chat (I don't think they're watching this) - Jesse Stay

"Open ID threat level Orange?" - Rob La Gesse

OpenID is just putting on long pants, a shirt and a tie. - Cliff Gerrish

says @chrismessina the Govt is encouraging people to use OpenID as most people have them already. - Kevin Marks

Badfinger or Webfinger? - Cliff Gerrish

Email seems like a bad identifier. - Cliff Gerrish

http://webfinger.org - it is a protocol to map an emial address into an OpenID endpoint - works with gmail and yahoo already - Kevin Marks

Just ran into this on stackoverflow.com... they have logos for 10 different OpenID providers or your own URL and I think I have IDs on 8 of them... and I have no idea which one I used to create my account. - Ken Sheppardson

The right number of id providers is 1. Selectors can solve this problem. - Cliff Gerrish

We should be able to "transform" emails to OpenID, as described here: http://chrissaad.wordpress.com/2008... (see comments) - Panayotis Vryonis

Hey Kevin how do I get involved in what you guys are doing with OpenID? - Jesse Stay

Jesse, come to the next IIW. - Cliff Gerrish

It would be great if Twitter supported OpenID as well as OAuth #iiw - Kevin Marks

Watching the show but the FF stream is "frozen" from last week?just me? - Paul Sherer from iPhone

Twitter as an OpenID provider? - Ken Sheppardson

Cliff, I wasn't aware of it - that would have been interesting. I was just out there the last 3 days at the Paypal conference. - Jesse Stay

Paul, refresh. The thread has been updated inside NewsGang. - Cliff Gerrish

Wow - I didn't realize Paypal was part of the OpenID foundation - Jesse Stay

@Paul - working fine here. Are you at http://www.building43.com/realtim... ? - Rob La Gesse

I don't quite understand why we need Salmon independent of Activitystrea.ms. Seems like a "feature" of activitystreams. - Ken Sheppardson

I'll head over to building34, thanks. - Paul Sherer

Monica's Activity Streams prezi: http://prezi.com/yxvtypx-aani/ maps out the ideas behind it too - Kevin Marks

Calling out "comment streams" as some special case of activities seems like a dead end. - Ken Sheppardson

Ken, Salmon is just the part that shows how to send the comments upstream, it fits in with Activity Streams fine. - Kevin Marks

Of course in FF the comment thread can appear in multiple places simultaneously via iframe. - Cliff Gerrish

So, Kevin, can Salmon support any Activitystreams objects? ... Got it. - Ken Sheppardson

Salmon I'm Atom... I'm getting lost here - Frank Paynter

Cool, I'm totally going to rip off the salmon idea and make my own proprietary protocol. - Vezquex: God of FF

do you need an iFrog to use ribbit? - Frank Paynter

Okay - I missed the last 15 mins. Did I miss anything? - Jesse Stay

If Gillmor Gang watchers want Ribbit Mobile, got to http://ribbit.com/reserve.php and use the invite code 'gang09' - Kevin Marks

Is Messina on the Space Station? - Jesse Newhart

I wish somebody would put together some sort of over-arching reference document that explains how you build something that uses PSHB, OpenID, OAuth, Salmon, Activitystreams, etc in the "correct" way in an integrated system. - Ken Sheppardson

Ken, check out the identity commons. - Cliff Gerrish

I really wish Phil and Craig were in here. I need to get those guys together for lunch some time. That would be a fun meeting. - Jesse Stay

I think you can catch both Phil and Craig at the Kynetx conference. It's coming right up. - Cliff Gerrish

Conference de jour, literally ;-) Can't we all just agree to get together once a year or so in one place and deal with everything at once? :-) - Ken Sheppardson

how about adding lists to lists? when's that coming? - Frank Paynter

Ken, that's what the weekly Gillmor Gang is for. Everyone in one place in real time. - Cliff Gerrish

I love how Atom is so flexible that we can add all these extra layers on top of it. ActivityStreams, Salmon, PSHB, etc - Matt Mastracci

YES. filters to something manageable. - Karoli

frank, isn't that what listorious is for? :) - Karoli

Cliff: It's just that all these conference give me the apparently mistaken impression that there are more than 10 or so folks who I really have to follow ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

Karoli... mebbe, but I'm a fan of bundling functionality within the native platform - Frank Paynter

Seems like building a bunch of translators is the best way to get adoption. - Cliff Gerrish

Isn't that what Gnip's supposed to be doing? - Ken Sheppardson

Facebook just needs to remove the 24 hour storage limit and it will be free - Jesse Stay

@cgerrish yes, translators into Activity Streams rather than n by n translators is an important saving - Kevin Marks

Cliff, yeah - I'll be at the Kynetx conference - Jesse Stay

I see Phil all the time - haven't met Craig yet (except online) - Jesse Stay

Amen Mark - more clients need to support activitystrea.ms - Jesse Stay

Myspace is still very much in the game - Jesse Stay

Wait and see - there are some huge things coming to Myspace - Jesse Stay

So we're all going to speak activitystreams on the global back-end bus and all these sites just become "clients"? Cool. I'm down with that. - Ken Sheppardson

Ken, all but Twitter, at least the way they're going - Jesse Stay

MySpace need a major shift to survive - Rocky Barbanica

Rocky, keep watching. - Jesse Stay

But if *everything* else is connected, we can all just pool our API call limits to pull the full feed out of Twitter and translate it to AS - Ken Sheppardson

Go tell @loic to support Activity Streams from MySpace and Netflix, @scobleizer - Kevin Marks

That's the theory, Ken. At least until the next time something closed and exciting comes along, ;) - Matt Mastracci

It will be everyone supports open standards, then you'll also have to support Twitter's own standard - at least if you ask John at Twitter - Jesse Stay

JK's sane, Jesse... if this all got widespread adoption I think you'd see a different bottom-up attitude from Twitter... - Ken Sheppardson

The custom adapters actually creates a value proposition. - Cliff Gerrish

http://cliqset.com is an Activity Streams supporting aggregator, as is MS Live - Kevin Marks

Facebook needs public indexing to get legit... they can't because of privacy aspect of their service... FriendFeed can provide the opening to public indexing of Facebook users' wall content... - Frank Paynter

Ken, yeah - I just don't like his attitude around it - Jesse Stay

anything but FB, please. - Karoli

Frank, you can use FQL to search Facebook pretty much site-wide (at least as privacy allows) - Jesse Stay

I can sorta see Twitter's point... I mean Evan came to them a year ago and said "Hey, you should support OMB" and their natural response as "Uh... no.... why? Nobody's using it..." - Ken Sheppardson

I should note Twitter doesn't allow specific queries like FQL btw - Jesse Stay

I'd just as soon not search Facebook. or even use it. - Karoli

Jesse...yahbut, you can't find Facebook content on google - Frank Paynter

@Frank - yet! - Rob La Gesse

Frank, yes you can - Jesse Stay

There's a strong current of relevant discussion on Facebook that is hard for me to ignore - Frank Paynter

If Activitystreams was implemented widely, I suspect the engineers at Twitter would warm up to it. That might not be a sufficient condition, but it's certainly necessary. - Ken Sheppardson

sad that no-one from @twitterapi came to IIW this year; @blaine came + helped invent OAuth when they were 1/10th the size - Kevin Marks

Frank: http://www.google.com/search... - Jesse Stay

Facebook encourages self-censorship, or disownership, depending. (Basically I don't really want my Republican spouse reading my liberal rants) - Karoli

@Kevin - they are busy building lists. - Rob La Gesse

Kevin, yeah - that's been my perception - they're taking no part in any of the open efforts, which concerns me - Jesse Stay

I think we all scared them off at BearHugCamp last fall ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

Kevin, is Facebook there at all? I imagine Recordon's probably there? - Jesse Stay

That's consistent with what Bret said last week, RE Facebook - Ken Sheppardson

hubs will be distributed. facebook will lose their advantage. - scott anderson

scott, i think so too. Google federating wave is one step closer to that... - Karoli

perfect question - Rocky Barbanica

Where's Microsoft in all this, btw? - Ken Sheppardson

MSFT had a big presence at IIW - Information cards (selectors) started with them. - Cliff Gerrish

Here's another good Google search on Facebook: site:www.facebook.com lists - status updates will very soon also be part of that - Jesse Stay

What did Scoble just call his wife? - Cliff Gerrish

As soon as grandmas start using a service, Robert bails... so... y'know... ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

Scott, Facebook is becoming distributed - Jesse Stay

Jesse... thanks for the "site: facebook" clue, but it's weak... I've just been testing it and nothing relevant emerged in response to specific search requests - Frank Paynter

Ken - MS is busy building layoff packages and not serious software. - Rob La Gesse

MSFT had a lot of good people at #iiw, and they are really contributing to the Activity Streams and OWF efforts - Kevin Marks

@KevinMarks. Thanks for the mention. Yes, we (Cliqset) currently normalize activity from 70+ services into activity streams compliant atom feeds. We also share them in real-time through our APIs. - Darren

Frank, a lot of cool articles about Twitter lists - I thought it was interesting "site:facebook.com lists" - Jesse Stay

Save the demo for a building43 video :) - Rob La Gesse

Frank, status updates are also very soon going to be included in that as well. Very soon you'll see those come up in search results. - Jesse Stay

We will, Rob - Rocky Barbanica

Seeing individual engineers and marketing folks from MSFT at different events reminds me alot of my old NASA days, when you'd always find some sort of "rogue" engineer off working on pretty much any project you can imagine. Every once in a while all the "rogue" engineers from the different centers who were working on similar projects would get together... but they were rarely funded and projects never went anywhere. But on the flip side... I'm glad they're involved :-) - Ken Sheppardson

Scoble is such a non-programmer. Everything he says that's hard sounds easy. "How do I bundle 3 tweets?" Just use take their URIs or copy the text. - Vezquex: God of FF

Interesting show. - Rob La Gesse

Thanks for the info Jesse - Frank Paynter

Oh man... - Rocky Barbanica

thanks, steve - Karoli

Vezquex: sorry, that just does NOT do it for me. - Robert Scoble

what more do you need? - Vezquex: God of FF

Vezquex: I want to put them on a page and have them look like Tweets, mixed with YouTUbe videos, mixed with photos. Make it freaking easy. Copy and pasting and doing screen captures is NOT easy for most people. - Robert Scoble

Did they mention the Paypal identification proposal at all? I think I missed it. - Jesse Stay

Just in passing, Jesse - Ken Sheppardson

We never got to it Jesse - Craig Burton

Ken, I'm very fascinated by that, because it's true identity. If they can make that open along with the existing open standards around identity they're going to do some great things. I'm supposed to get a briefing by them soon (I hope). - Jesse Stay

Vezquex: look at the Tweets I put into Wordpress: http://scobleizer.com/2009... that took a LOT of work. Way too much for normal people and WAY too much for real-time work. Did you watch the World Series last night? MSNBC had a Tweet out AS THE BALL HIT THE GLOVE TO END THE GAME! - Robert Scoble

Craig, great seeing you, btw! I don't think we've ever met in person. - Jesse Stay

This is a real time world and copying and pasting URLs is too freaking hard. - Robert Scoble

Thanks Jesse, we need to make that happen. - Craig Burton

Plus, I do everything on my iPhone now. Did you remember how we broke the news of Facebook buying FriendFeed? That entire thing was done from an iPhone, including an audio interview. - Robert Scoble

Craig, just sent you and Phil an e-mail. Let's definitely make it happen. - Jesse Stay

Paypal is still very weak. They are not quite clued in to the selector imperative. - Craig Burton

Jesse: applications running on the open web will always be able to innovate and provide more functionality than apps running on top of Facebook. With activity streams, hubs, openid, etc. the reduced friction advantage that Facebook has is diminished. - scott anderson

Craig, that's my worry - Jesse Stay

Scott, Facebook is joining the open web - Jesse Stay

it's all talk until it happens - scott anderson

they also said Beacon was going to be revolutionary - scott anderson

Facebook is an activitystrea.ms provider right now: http://wiki.developers.facebook.com/index.... They are also currently an openid provider. - Jesse Stay

Facebook has openID? - Matt Mastracci

I think you see it now with the work Recordon and the ex-FriendFeeders are doing... but the IP limits, 24hr cache limits, and EULA mythology seems to cast a shadow over everything - Ken Sheppardson

Also see: http://wiki.developers.facebook.com/index... - Jesse Stay

and http://developers.facebook.com/opensou... - Jesse Stay

openid support is defensive move - scott anderson

BTW, most this stuff was around even before Recordon came on board - Jesse Stay

Yeah, I realized that after I wrote that, Jesse... he's just sorta the flag bearer these days - Ken Sheppardson

Scott, they've had that support for at least 6 months now - Jesse Stay

Facebook led much of the activitystrea.ms standard - it is not a defensive move. They were part of the organization, and are also members of the openid foundation. They're leaders in this, not followers. - Jesse Stay

openid support is a defensive move because they don't want google to dominate the openid space. if activity stream content expires after some period of time when it leaves Facebook, then that is another defensive move and one that is not truly open. - scott anderson

Scott, I'm not sure they've said much about that content expiring. As long as you're a user I'm pretty sure you're able to get your content out, no exceptions. Developers have a few more strict rules, but nothing's stopping a client from enabling that for users themselves. The RSS News Feed app on Facebook's still around, so I think they're opening up to enabling that: http://www.facebook.com/apps... - Jesse Stay

Also, see Facebook's latest news - their entire JS client library is now open source on GitHub: http://bit.ly/48FO1s - Jesse Stay

Messina additional on IIW http://www.thesocialweb.tv/blog... - Steve Gillmor

Steve Gillmor

appears friendfeed search is down or at least squirrelly

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or maybe the whole service - Steve Gillmor

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it's working for me. just tried it. twitter is behind, however. about 20 minutes behind. - Karoli

Every time things start getting janky I get worried. - Mathew™ one of a kind

Works fine for me. - Maxamad (Amazigh)

Like ...No like.,, - Bill Heslin

Mr. Gillmor...appearances....suck...kk....you know... - Bill Heslin

Steve...your still here...you know we are all still here Gillmor...it puts all Scobleizer to the wall... - Bill Heslin

It's not always smooth sailing (though much improved since shortly after Paul's mention of upgrading server hosting). Search does work fine for me right now. - Micah Wittman

I know Steve you won't give into that? so thank you for still being on Freindfeed,,,,you know...there is something here - Bill Heslin

nope searching stevegillmor immediately jumps back to October 1 after one or two items. didn't do that several days ago. something's up - Steve Gillmor

instant reply...stop Mr. Gillmor... - Bill Heslin

we love RSS and love freindfeed... - Bill Heslin

steve, it's working for me. maybe you're hitting a server glitch? - Karoli

Shall I say "fuck" ...rss - Bill Heslin

is Bill a troll or just socially inept? - Karoli

Excuse me Karoli? - Bill Heslin

you seem to be inserting profanity-laced non-sequiturs into every message on this thread. it was an honest question. i'll apologize if I'm mistaken. - Karoli

now it appears normal again, momentary abberation - Steve Gillmor

You are mistaken....and I shall leave this thread.... - Bill Heslin

And Mr. Gillmor...always loved and still love you show ...even after the Leo bubye - Bill Heslin

Karoli...you are so mistaken... - Bill Heslin

buybye - Bill Heslin

LOL - Maxamad (Amazigh)

Robert Scoble

Where has my FriendFeed gone? The picture says it all. By the way, this is the "best of day" right now. Sad.

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Compare these two. FriendFeed has great pictures, but content that is, well, not interesting. Twitter, on right, has 6,000x better content but doesn't look as nice due to no pictures. Will Brizzly come to rescue? - Robert Scoble

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I hope somebody comes up with a fabulous client to maximize content and serve up more media - Susan Beebe

And people wonder why I don't come here much anymore. Sigh. - Robert Scoble

FriendFeed used to be very heavy in tech discussions. Now it's rare I see a tech discussion on the "best of day" feed. - Robert Scoble

The cap on the left is infinitely preferable to the right. I can't tell you how glad I am not to be inundated with tech stuff all day long. One man's trash... - Jim Hearts FF

Time to adjust your subscriptions. - Bruce Lewis

try PowerTwitter ...also, which service has 6000x more users? doesn't that affect content choices? - .LAG liked that

I keep looking for the comments link on Brizzly. - Tom Landini

PowerTwitter is a great add to the twitter website (Firefox add-on) - Susan Beebe

There's more to talk about than just "tech", seriously... - Rob H.

Robert - Do you have any general news, world news Twitter lists/groups? I tried scrolling through you lists, but they all seem pretty tech-slanted. If Twitter is to replace Friendfeed and Google Reader, then we need to be able to get real news and information out of the thing. - Matthew DeVries

The left is a best of day from your 28000 subscriptions. The right is a heavily curated list focused on something you are interested in. Try "best of" on a curated list (there is a link at the bottom of every list feed to best of for that feed). - Benjamin Golub

agree totally with you Scoble, Bruce: adjusting wouldn't make a difference now - ffcode

Ben - great advise! - Susan Beebe

I know twitter is occupied with infrastructure and list improvements, but you would think they could be building brizzly-esque features pretty easily. - Sean Montgomery

Sean - right. Twitter has to stablize their platform, then focus on UIX - Susan Beebe

Matthew: I'm a geek. Other people are doing news lists. I might start one, though. You are the second person to ask for one. - Robert Scoble

and there aren't tech discussions here one of the prime reasons are Scoble left and he is usually followed by around 10k folks everywhere, and his predictions affect all, weak or strong minded - ffcode

I find it a fascinating observation: Twitter is better than FriendFeed because there's more tech discussions in my feed. Is that the criteria you use for judging other social media sites? Because, IMHO, social media is about connecting people, not about tech discussions. - Glen Campbell

ffcode: sorry, I'm tracking the geek participation here and sorry, the really geeky stuff has definitely gone down. - Robert Scoble

always wondered how your feed would look like but it is clear you are no different ;) - ffcode

Robert - I come to you because you're the best list builder and analyzer of signal to noise. - Matthew DeVries

Glen: sorry, where the geeks go generally the general public follows. Generally. And, anyway, compare this stuff to Facebook. Even there it's a loser, sorry. I watch my wife's feed all the time and compare it to FriendFeed and FriendFeed loses. She said "ew" when she saw my page here. - Robert Scoble

only 2 likes on a celebrity picture(demi moore)? I guess people really did run away! - PJ Edwards

Glen: by the way, I can make such a screen shot for a bunch of different genre's, not just tech. Twitter has far more diversity and has far more flow of all kinds. http://listorious.com 's huge first weekend demonstrates that. - Robert Scoble

Jim: if you don't want just tech, check out http://listorious.com -- what list would you like? In one weekend Twitter got more diversity thanks to lists than FriendFeed did in 18 months. And no "ew" pictures. - Robert Scoble

You still have to come here. It's mandatory - Charlie Anzman

sad one of the best place is going down like this and it is going the way every other social network is "just for fun"....:( - ffcode

Charlie: I do, but now you know why I don't show off FriendFeed at conferences anymore. - Robert Scoble

FriendFeed's still here. Unfortunately when Scoble, FriendFeed's top user goes, so go the users. - Jesse Stay

number of places on the twitter display where you could see an inline discussion: zero. - SuezanneC Baskerville

I follow Scoble, but I'm not going anywhere, Jesse. - Jim Hearts FF

Either that, or this just means FriendFeed has gone mainstream, and is no longer just tech users any more ;-) - Jesse Stay

Jesse - Robert left Twitter for quite a while (well, not left, but just had it parroting his FF) and it didn't seem to hurt Twitter any. Robert can't make or break a service all by himself. - Matthew DeVries

I guess I just don't get it. My Facebook connects me with friends I haven't seen in years and relatives I contact rarely. With Facebook, I can keep in touch far better than I ever have in my life. I learn about my cousin in the ICU with pneumonia, and my good friend in Indiana who just had a grandson. The whole format is not compatible with tech discussions; the length restrictions... more... - Glen Campbell

Code junkies best of week: http://friendfeed.com/code-ju... - Bruce Lewis

@Cristo: +3000. @Robert: Change your subscriptions. You just haven't curated your worldview here as much lately. Things change, so must your prism. - AJ Kohn

as usual, Robert's death of FF posts shoot up the charts. get it? - Steve Gillmor

Matthew, see my second comment. I think some of it is that FriendFeed's userbase has changed as well. It's not the tech early adopters any more. I expect with Facebook's acquisition it will become more so that case. - Jesse Stay

My point being this comparison doesn't mean much - Jesse Stay

What is "geek" to you Robert? Because I've been seeing plenty of "geek" posts in the subscriptions and rooms I follow here on FriendFeed. - Maxamad (Amazigh)

Mehmet: geek is someone talking about technology or talking about building something or excited about using such. Do you see any geek in the friendfeed screen shot? I don't. - Robert Scoble

Agree with Jesse here. - Mahendra (SkepticGeek)

Bruce: is that the best example you got? All those items have no discussion! - Robert Scoble

And like Tom's comment [keep looking for comments link on Brizzly] LOL! - Mahendra (SkepticGeek)

o.O Louis is pretty geeky. His kids already have Macbooks. - Matthew DeVries

The most active discussions I've seen on FriendFeed lately are only when someone proclaims or laments its decline. Sad but true. - Mahendra (SkepticGeek)

Or when Jason holds a live chat. - Mahendra (SkepticGeek)

Robert, twitter=no conversation. I'll deal with the 'ew' pictures by simply using the 'hide' button, that's why it's there. You go your way, I'll go mine. It's all good. - Jim Hearts FF

do anybody no why Scoble can't just leave us alone. Friendfeed is dying according to him, no need to make it a self fulfilling prophecy. The more you "high profile" users criticize FF the faster folks will leave it. - Gunny Wallen

Coding geeks communicate best with code. Neither twitter nor FriendFeed let you indent. So there's going to be more sharing and less conversation for coders. - Bruce Lewis

Robert ,the best of the day are comments and likes on a post ,not content. all the contents from Twitter,blogs,Rss etc are here and its better to get them here or in public groups or in private , I am not sure that on Twitter ppl are acting ,they are just reading same as here - Johni Fisher

agree with Steve Gillmor, users are here but they are doing things way different now than they used to when Scoble was around - ffcode

agree more than 100% that "those" tech talks are just gone - ffcode

You're comparing a hand crafted twitter list to friendfeed's user-generated best-of-day? - Andy Bakun

Gunny, give the guy a break. He feels forced to be on twitter and misses the conversations on FriendFeed. Did you look at the right-hand picture from twitter? No conversation happening there at all. Zero. I can't imagine hanging out there all day. - Bruce Lewis

I skip all the tech anyway. Who says it's "better"? - m9m, Crone of FriendFeed

Cristo: try seeing feed around those times when there when acquisition talks - ffcode

Why can't there be a friendly friend feed and a tech friend feed? Is there no other use for the internet than to talk about the internet? - m9m, Crone of FriendFeed

Tech and coding news is primarily what I look for in FriendFeed, and I find it. Conversation happens, as well as users bumping things up with likes. Subscriptions (friends and rooms) help filter tech content that I want to see. A like is sometimes as good as a comment. - Maxamad (Amazigh)

and Andy: you are yourself stating what Scoble has been saying all the way twitter is place where you can get your taste now not here anymore - ffcode

Robert- regarding your early early comment- I find it refreshing that FF isn't about tech - anna sauce

+anna, +Glen, and even +cristo - Kamilah Gill

Does Plurk get this much attention about its inevitable death? Now there's a service that could really use the wake-up call. - Mark Trapp

Robert never got infatuated with Plurk, Mark. - Maxamad (Amazigh)

*sighs* - Holden Page

Robert most of the change is in the place that you decided to open a subject and to post ,I remember 3 months ago your posts here were with tooons of comments and interest and from the day that you are posting your Twitter FAV here, there is not much action ,just think on that ,I like to read your Twitter FAV but I would better have them in a group and get yr posts like in the past - Johni Fisher

Yeah, you're pretty geeky there when you have to search how to make screenshots - KapitanObvious

agree Johni - ffcode

thx ff - Johni Fisher

Kapitan obvious, hahahaha - Holden Page

To be honest, any social network with content governed by who you're subscribed to, and having image media in a feed is going to come up with something you don't like. This is because no one is on topic all the time, especially on Twitter. If you want sanitized feeds from *only* tech experts, geeks and what have you, these sort of services aren't going to cut it for you.... more... - Mo Kargas

I sure like the interaction here, comments, community...this post shot over to Twitter, but there is nothing going on there about it. - Eric Matas

@Eric Yes exactly, to me it looks like a glorified RSS stream from different sources, fundamentally a list of content and that's it. The topics Robert is after may not be present on FF, but the conversation is far more intuitive. - Mo Kargas

"glorified RSS stream"...pretty much sums it up. - Maxamad (Amazigh)

Hey GUISE, we're forgetting that the list on the right will fail-whale often as twitter never seems to remember how to run their servers. As to the content on the left not being interesting, well...at least I know it's real people who aren't trying to get me to buy into some new brand or some interchangeable tech company that will just be bought by facebook one day and disappear. :) - Jon, the Beartato of FF

I just can't wait for the day that Scoble ditches Twitter for the junk it is. Should give me a good laugh. - Maxamad (Amazigh)

Twitter has no "ew" pictures because it has no pictures. You can use the fftogo option that turns off media if you want no pictures. - Bruce Lewis

For conversations, friendfeed wins. For tons of blabbers and links, twitter wins. But agreed, activity has gone down heavily on friendfeed. Twitter mania has caught everyone. - Amit

Interesting tech discussions from http://friendfeed.com/paul... are "Think big. Code small" and the ooc one. - Bruce Lewis

One anecdote deserves another. I've posted on FF regularly for 1.5 years. I comment frequently on others' tech posts, but most of my own posts are not strictly tech-angled. This week I asked "FriendFeeders : NEED ADVISE: Best all-around value Netbook today - which one?" and it got 16 LIKES and 20 COMMENTS. The last time one of my posts hit/surpassed that threshold was early August http://friendfeed.com/search... - Micah Wittman

One thing I noticed is no conversations. Just straight links to other sites. Kind of boring. - Todd Hoff

BTW is it possible to stop getting the twitter updates from others on Friendfeed? Slowly I am seeing my friendfeed aggregating only the twitter updates. - Amit

Yeah, you can Amit. Just click "hide" on a tweet you see in FF, and then choose to "hide other items like this one"...and go from there. - Maxamad (Amazigh)

Robert is just being Robert, always stirring things up! LOL, I really do ♥ you for it though. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Wait, you were all like ' I LOVE FF ' this summer. Singing your praises on the TWiT network and all that jazz. You're even more of a fair weather fan than Minnesotans with our sports teams. - Clark Baumgartner 蔵明馬武刀

No hatin' on the Vikings here, they try hard :p - Maxamad (Amazigh)

Twins? Timberwolves? Wilds? Take your pick if the Vikings don't do it for yeh. - Clark Baumgartner 蔵明馬武刀

You know what makes me laugh... People who use FriendFeed in other languages probably don't see this or any of the stuff Robert is interested in... - Johnny Worthington from iPhone

+Johnny W. - Kamilah Gill

BTW... Heaven forbid we actually have fun on a Sunday... Your lawn's that way - Johnny Worthington from iPhone

You're really going to show me Wall Street Journal on your Twitter feed and compare that to Friendfeed's personal interaction? You know better, Robert. - Eric @ CS Techcast from iPhone

KapitanObvious++ for the burn. - Andrew C

One of the nice things about Friendfeed is the way you can hide a post like this and not see it ever again. It would be nice to have a way to filter posts from specific people if they contained certain words such as twitter, lists, dead, or friendfeed. :) - SuezanneC Baskerville

Robert GFY dude, seriously. - LANjackal

""glorified RSS stream" - yeah, except my RSS feeds have been culled down to sources that add their own insightful commentary so it's not an endless stream of retweets of _all the same damn links repeated over and over_. That Twitter screenshot looks really information-light once the repeats are filtered out... - Andrew C

FRIEND Feed. - Internet's Tad

And this coming from a man who posted this online: http://valleywag.com/assets... :P - Jan Ole Peek

The Friendfeed screenshot shows 222 total interactions in the first three entries. The twitter one shows 14 (and I'm counting the one at the bottom that is cut off). Oh wait, those aren't interactions, those are links to other places. - Andy Bakun

I think Robert is just confusing the point of the site. The name is FRIEND Feed, not interesting feed, useful feed, news feed, etc. This is where I hang out with my friends. - Internet's Tad

Robert, you're cool and everything, but sometimes the things you post make me think of you as an arrogant asshole. The beauty in friendfeed is that there are so many different flavors to sample from. There are plenty of sites to go to that are tech heavy if that is what you are looking for. Why bother here if it's not what you want? Move on and shut the fuck up about it. Jesus. - DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE

Amen. - Internet's Tad

For someone who doesn't like Friendfeed or thinks Friendfeed doesn't offer as much value as twitter, he sure does post here a lot. - Andy Bakun

This is exactly the kind of post I don't want in my feed. Adjusting my subscriptions now. Sorry Robert, but I gotta block you on Friendfeed. See you on Twitter. - Rodfather

Robert. You are stating the obvious: of course friendfeed is going to decline: there is no more engineering or innovation power behind it! The key question is: "is a friendfeed++ going to reborn as part of facebook and have a much more profound impact?". The jury is still out but knowing the quality of the team I would not bet against it. - Edwin Khodabakchian

I think this post is very rude to the posters in your screenshot, especially the second two. They are sharing themselves and their lives with us. If that doesn't interest you, unsubscribe or hide but to call them out and mock them as 'sad' is, well, sad. FriendFeed is full of people that I enjoy discussing all kinds of topics with, including technology, but they are more than just early... more... - joey

Thank you Joey. I find the screen shot to be particularly offensive considering the tenor of the post. Stop being a jerk Robert. - DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE

all I have to say on the matter: http://www.pagesaresocial.com/2009... - Holden Page

Holden: I have removed my Twitter favorites from FriendFeed because of your post and my Twitter account too. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Scoble, you need to clean your Twitter DM's like stat. - Outsanity & Kate + Hate

@Robert - Just because FriendFeed isn't 90% tech and personal branding posts doesn't mean it doesn't have value. You used to be such a big proponent of lists here and molding your subscriptions so they were full of info but not noise... now that you've neglected your pruning efforts and gone over to Twitter then your feed is full of more noise (to you) than info. It's not FriendFeed's... more... - Her Lindsay-ness

Nice to hear scoble, does this mean though you will become more active? and based on your tweet to @arrington and @technosailor you seem to have given up. If that is the case then that just seems silly (unless, of course, you just plan on bashing it like you have been lately, then feel free to leave) - Holden Page

No matter how much I didn't like your opinions scoble you did drive one point home, you make FF what you want it to be because FF gives you the tools to do so. That is why I reset my account, because it was damn true. It seems though you have forgotten a lot of what you have suggested to others to make their FF experience great and to be quite honest, you sound like a newcomer that just complains about lack of activity to get activity and if I remember correctly, you looked down on that...a lot. - Holden Page

Her Lindsay-ness: sorry, so many geeks have left and there are just more interesting information (FOR ME), more interesting conversations (FOR ME), and I'm learning a lot more over on Twitter (ABOUT WHAT I WANT TO LEARN). FriendFeed HAS changed and that's OK! For you. Not for me. And, sorry, I looked at rejiggering my accounts here, but the info just isn't coming here and Twitter is... more... - Robert Scoble

Then go away. What the fuck. Why keep coming back here to make posts about how horrible it is. It just makes you look like more of an asshole than you intend to be I'm sure. Seriously. If you think there is no value in it, then it's kinda counter-productive to keep posting here, right? You act like the guy that graduated high school but keeps coming back hanging out at lunch and during pep rallies. It's a little bit creepy. What is it that you hope to gain by that? - DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE

I agree with Gunny. YOU caused the mass exedus from Friend Feed Robert, by announcing its demise. Let's see what would happen if instead of moaning about its lack of techy feeds, you began promoting it instead. Look on it as an FF experiment. - Sandra Large

I like reading your stuff Rob but yeah --- if you're only going to come here to diss FF, perhaps you should just exit FF completely. Also, it's a FACT that Twitter is inferior to FriendFeed based on communication alone because look...here I am, discussing this topic and others can follow along w/o having to search through random comments and pages [they can even comment easily also! *gasp*!]. FF probably will die eventually, but Twitter was freakin' stillborn. Just a glorified RSS service... - Scott Carmichael

Its all becoming a Robert Scoble 'self fullfilling prophecy' lately on here. You can't have a conversation on Twitter like this, twitter is a newsreel of headline news, that's all its good for, Friend Feed is as its name implies, a feed for friends to discuss anything under the sun, and not just about technical stuff. - Sandra Large

I don't agree that a person who's become dissatisfied with a service should leave. I've often heard change should come from within. With that said, I'm not sure Robert is pushing for positive change. Can it occur? With Zuckerberg calling the shots, maybe not. Maybe he owns every idea that the FFounders will ever have for the next few yrs, keeping those changes for Zuck's baby. Maybe FF will improve, & maybe the techies who were drowned out on Twitter will find they can be seen & heard here. Who knows? - MiniMage, sheeple of FF

My post is up: http://scobleizer.com/2009... - Robert Scoble

Gone mainstream? - Amit Morson

it gone mainstream alright - Fajar Nurdiansyah

You can't blame Robert for the fact that the FF guys sold out AND left the ship more or less rudderless. If they had bothered to figure out even a tiny bit of a PR strategy around the take-over, then things might not have gone downhill so fast, or at all. And, yes, you can filter out all of the emo stuff (nothing wrong with it BTW, but that can be had from your IRL friends on Facebook)... more... - Alex Schleber

Robert: accepting the accuracy of observations about the amount of interesting conversations from your perspective, there still remains a question regarding what could be the cause? while one theory may be a decline in friendfeed activity, another possibility is the decline in your own activity. what evidence can support one hypothesis over the other? - Mike Chelen

methinks a service can go on without an ego? personally i pop back here every now and again for the occasional conversation. i'd prefer more intelligent discussions on here, not just tech related, maybe i'm not following enough people? eh. - Terry O'Fee

+1,000 joey. "emo stuff" that can be "found on Facebook"? LOTS of arrogance on display here from several directions. Alex, I know that you're tempering your statement by saying that there's nothing wrong with "emo stuff", but that's still awfully dismissive. FF is more like a number of simple blogs because the whole world can access the posts. FB is a walled garden, and tends to be way more dumbed-down (except for when I look at the FF people I'm subscribed to in FB). - Kamilah Gill

Hey, guys? Don't feed the troll. - Akiva Moskovitz from BuddyFeed

now you tell us. - Jim Hearts FF

Friendfeed never gone..! - ★ Soner Gönül

Congratulations, you score high on the douche-o-meter! - Mark Wilson

Well if FriendFeed has nothing else going for it, I can at least read a deep exchange of ideas here as to why it's toast. Perhaps thats why I'm sticking. Btw, slightly off topic, but am I the only one finding Twitter list creation a complete chore compared to doing the same on FriendFeed? - David Hall

I don't see the problem. My pecs dominate your feed. Who can complain about that? - Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF

LOL @Rasheen™ - Glen Campbell

Rahsheen, it's ok to let the one's own fun part of life intersect one's social media sphere http://friendfeed.com/tad... , but not when it's someone else and it can be used in the wrong context to misappropriate a point. - Micah Wittman

It amazes me how people will continue to use a service just to complain about it. Just STFU and GTFO. - Steve Lowe

Micah, I don't follow what you're saying... - Kamilah Gill

Robert - Just make Twitter fix the 140 character limit thing already! - Matthew DeVries

then it would be a blog or what a tumble log? - ffcode

strange people resist so much even when they know this is it - ffcode

Robert, setting aside your point, your methodology here is insulting. Why? My response is here: http://friendfeed.com/zeigen... - Stephen Mack

Kamilah, fair point. I'll explain without sarcasm. Robert's shower photo was a bit of fun that is fine and doesn't represent the whole of his on- or off-line contribution. Andy's photoshopped photo of Rahsheen doesn't represent the whole of Andy's contribution (which is very much technical, btw) or by extension the community's many contributions through the friendfeed medium. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. - Micah Wittman

friend feed is totally awesome! - Bishal Adhikary

great one man... - Bishal Adhikary

COMMENT 1) "There's a lot more than me here. http://friendfeed.com/ninjamo.... shows lots of things that are getting engagement. - Robert Scoble" http://friendfeed.com/ninjamo... ... COMMENT 2) "You are not following the right people. This is always the problem if FriendFeed isn't working for you. - Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF" http://friendfeed.com/ninjamo... - Micah Wittman

I just looked, and http://friendfeed.com/ninjamo... still is getting a lot of engagement and there's is stuff to learn there. - Micah Wittman

Robert, I am considered a "geek" by a number of people, but I don't need or want to talk about technology 24/7. I have other interests and I like to see where they connect. I want to see coalescence. I can't get disparate connections always watching or listening to the same track. Even Richard Feynman believed that...as do many others in other "geek" fields. When I was little I happened... more... - Melanie Reed

Robert, are you reading the tech related groups? If you read Best of you are going to get all sorts of stuff as you know. I have lists and saved searches for specific topics and browse them for the likes of tech. Best of it not the best place for tech only (well any single topic). - Kol Tregaskes

Kol, he is aware of that, he just needed to prove a point (and that point failed) stop feeding the troll - Holden Page

I've come to the conclusion that all of Robert's posts must be read with one fact kept in mind. Even when he doesn't say it, his posts are based on the assumption that many/most people want and like what he wants. - Eoghann Irving

Robert, why do you constantly feel the need to shake the death rattle? We are well aware that FF is dying and even more aware that you see it coming. If you really did care about the service you would try to reverse the trend instead of speeding it up. - Jason Williams from iPhone

Robert I joined FF when I saw you singing praises of it on Twitter and have been loving it ever since, you seem to have a lot of interesting stuff to say, and a lot of people follow you. But, you seriously need to stop coming to FriendFeed and doing everything in your considerable power to kill it, and then complain because you are successful in doing that. Twitter is for people who like shouting through megaphones in a crowd of people shouting through megaphones, FF is for people who like conversations. - Ed Millard

@edmillard ..said the man who only imports one thing into FF, his Twitter account.. seriously though. Scoble can't kill FF because it's already dead, it just doesn't know it yet. And yes, I am still using it for a bit because it makes such a handy searchable archiving/surfacing tool, and for some aspects of the community. But the reality is that FF founder's sold out b/c they were lacking confidence that they could change FF sufficiently/quickly enough to sustain any real growth. - Alex Schleber

So FriendFeed founders gave up and sold out to Zuckerberg more or less for the liquidation value, i.e. for their IP and continued highly-skilled/paid labor for FB. It's that simple. Thinking about it any other way is a fantasy. 5 Stages of Grief... And yes, it pains me to say it. Had high hopes for this platform. I wish they would have found a way to evolve FF where it would have continued to grow, I don't think they were very far off. It's like the gold-miners who gave up 10 ft from the mother lode. - Alex Schleber

Alex you are mistaken, most of my recent posts are from FF and sometimes cross posted to Twitter if they are short and not FF specific. I didn't know the FF etiquette that twitter posts are shunned when I started. Most of my limited time here is spent in comments anyway, since I prefer the conversations to the megaphone. - Ed Millard

@Ed "Twitter is for people who like shouting through megaphones in a crowd of people shouting through megaphones, FF is for people who like conversations." You basically summed up my blog post about this whole thing (http://friendfeed.com/bluecoc...)... - Her Lindsay-ness

Lindsey, same concept, yours was thorough, mine was short. I think part of being a geek is we opt for the superior tech, not the popular tech. FB and Twitter are popular but inferior for conversation. I had no interest in them until I found FF recently. Its a problem we geeks are letting Zuckerberg kill the superior tech here with his checkbook. I'm thinking we should launch an open friend feed like directeur is talking about, free of business conflicts. It is the geek thing to do but it would be hard. - Ed Millard

One bad day does not mean it is bad for the whole year :) - ashish

don't you ever get tired of hitting refresh every other minute? - Giancarlo Caparo

LOL, let's see you sort though hundreds of reply of Twitter, shoot a video of that... - Robert Higgins

*yawns* - T. Brent, technopeasant

Sadly, FF has largely become a photo sharing, jokes and food pics sharing site - tech community is gone. - Susan Beebe

Yes, Twitter really has raised the bar in that arena. - Glen Campbell

Glen LOL - Susan Beebe

ZING! I shared a lame joke a few minutes ago, Susan! http://ff.im/aTQG6 I don't feel really bad about it. That's true, many people know me as a developer, but I'm not only that. I'm a jazz/anime/languages... LOVER :) - directeur

If only someone would have told Robert that his feed is his own creation and if he is unhappy there is only one place to look fir the reason. Oh, wait... - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF) from iPod

in case you desperately miss his twitter favorites that i guess I killed, I imported that feed into this group... http://friendfeed.com/scoblef... - Holden Page

seriously, talk about mis-matched comparisons. This general list is less focused than that built-for-a-purpose list? Well, no offense, but no shit, Sherlock. - Chieze Okoye

Robert Scoble

Lists are overcovered @themaria says. This is the biggest feature change in three years to Twitter. We can overcover them for a weekend!

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they're not overcovered, they're under-stood - Steve Gillmor

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Gillmor Gang 10.29.09 - http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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Why the focus on just e-mail (out of curiosity)? Why not the phone number, and what about the 24 hour storage limit for data? Any word on those opening up more with users' permission? - Jesse Stay

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I'm still watching, btw - maybe it gets answered later - Jesse Stay

I'm also very curious of their plans to open up the search API - that would be much more interesting than their current roadmap. - Jesse Stay

In regards to permalinks Facebook does have permalinks on fan Pages - Jesse Stay

Re: the newsfeed Robert should really interview someone on Facebook's newsfeed team. That would be a very interesting interview. I don't think the FriendFeed team can answer those questions. - Jesse Stay

Re: the platform I do really want to know Facebook's plans for real-time API integration. Will they adopt PSHB or RSSCloud or a standard of their own to provide real-time updates to the stream? - Jesse Stay

Maybe you should ask Robert to interview the realtime API integration team too. Oh wait. - Steve Gillmor from iPhone

:) - Susan Beebe

Jesse: I'm not the only member of the Gillmor Gang. In fact, I'm far from its most important member. Or did you mean to post this stuff to me for other parts of building43? - Robert Scoble

Robert, I meant it would be good for building43. But yes, it would be interesting for Gillmor Gang as well. - Jesse Stay

we'll have stream guys on when they have something to say, which judging by the Roadmap announcements, will be sooner than later. - Steve Gillmor

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The Private Web - http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009...

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In our day we had our Home phone and it was private if you could close the door - paul mooney

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this is our day and there are other alternatives now - Steve Gillmor

In our day you could have an affair and your GPS coordinates couldn't be traced - Francine Hardaway

maybe you could - Steve Gillmor

Steve - Fabulous post! I love the deep level of investigation, research and analysis in this well-thought out and artfully crafted piece. Well done my friend! (Francine LOL) - Susan Beebe

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Gillmor Gang 10.22.09 - http://gillmorgang.techcrunch.com/2009...

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Stream Splicing — Threadsy's Rob Goldman with Kevin Marks, Robert Scoble, and Dan Farber. Recorded live Thursday, October 22, 2009. Full transcript below the video, courtesy of Simulscribe. - Steve Gillmor

Robert Scoble

@jesseslinks it is really lame to attack lists like that. I can block any list which would remove it from my own directory.

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are you sure - what happens when google traverses the list from outside of your social graph - block avoided - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

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Good to see that blocking the list maker removes you from the list. Should still be able to opt out of lists - Mark Trapp

Yes, I'm sure. Blocking completely removes you from the list. Mark: you can opt out of lists. Just block the lists people put you on. - Robert Scoble

FTR I wasn't attacking them. That link comes from Mark Trapp. It's an interesting conversation though. Also cool that you can block a list and take yourself out of it. - Jesse Stay

Robert, you can't block lists. You can block people who created lists, which by extension, removes you from the list. That doesn't help people who want to opt out of a list but not block the list creator; I point this out in my post about not wanting to be in technology lists for example. Beyond that, the core issue is that Twitter is now allowing other users to modify your profile... more... - Mark Trapp

I also don't understand why it's lame - Mark has some valid points. - Jesse Stay

FWIW Facebook has this with photo tagging - Twitter should do something similar. If you're "tagged" in a photo or video, you can immediately remove the tag. You can also set privacy preferences as to who can see tagged photos/videos of you (based on list). - Jesse Stay

That's really all that's required, Jesse: I think it's a simple security/privacy consideration that shouldn't change the functionality of lists. Right now, however, the functionality makes a privacy assumption that doesn't exist anywhere else in Twitter, and people ought to know that or Twitter needs to fix it. - Mark Trapp

And thus begins privacy controls in Twitter, and thus starts Twitter's journey towards competing with Facebook. :-) - Jesse Stay

Jesse - have the battle with privacy is not the automated control you put in but the Human Element. If you are that concerned about privacy control it yourself - Rob Cairns

Rob, I'm not sure where I said anything about automation - Jesse Stay

Mark, I'm not really seeing your argument here, it sounds a bit paranoid. If someone puts you on a benign list you don't want to be on for some reason, just contact the list creator. If they fail to comply with a polite request, they are NOT your friend and you just block them. Why would you feel the need to still follow them? If someone puts you on a malevolent list of some sort... more... - Alex Schleber

BTW, I just scoured Scoble's first few hundred "listed" entries (of his current 1400+), and the most egregious terms I could find were "echochamber", "tech freak", and "scobleitis" :) Hardly slander/libel material. And you know someone out there isn't big on Robert, but I doubt they will bother to add him to a negative list. They just blocked him early on... - Alex Schleber

Mark: have you even tried this? Steve Gillmor and I have. If I block a list's owner it removes me from all of his lists. - Robert Scoble

which I have. he's so blocked. Check Tech Pundits. I'm not there. - Steve Gillmor

Robert: you said repeatedly you can block a list. I said you can't: you can only block a list creator, which subsequently blocks any list they created. Now you're saying the exact same thing I said. There's a difference I don't think you're picking up on: I want to be able to remove myself from lists, not block people. If I have a friend who's decided to categorize me as "technology" and I don't want to be in that list, my only recourse is to block my friend. That's not ideal at all. - Mark Trapp

On top of the fact that blocking is reactive, not preventative. I have to realize I'm in a list before I can take action to remove myself from it. I don't want to be part of any technology related lists, yet I have to wait until someone tags me as such before I can block that person to remove myself from it. Why aren't lists opt-in, especially considering the list memberships show up on my profile? I have no control over a major part of my profile, which is unlike any other part of Twitter. - Mark Trapp

At the very least, list shouldn't be part of my profile (since I can't control, directly, what lists I'm apart of) and I should be able to remove myself from a list without blocking the list creator. I don't see how that's unreasonable or the argument against having those two pieces of functionality. - Mark Trapp

One of the bigger problems I have with sites like Facebook is that I have no control over how others see my public profile (right now you'll prob see 16+ yr old girls asking you to contact them, surrounding my profile. I'm happily married, have 4 kids. Mark has a point. It's hard to maintain a personal brand on the web, and others that can classify you (wrongly) won't help. Then again Twitter is 90% bots so I don't think many will notice - Alexander van Elsas

Alexander: actually Twitter isn't 90% bots. Just 50%. :-) - Robert Scoble

Alexander, have you tried privacy settings in Facebook? That's why you use Facebook - it gives you that control. (I thought this conversation was about Twitter) (confused) - Jesse Stay

Robert, I'm suspecting you are a bot too. Can we do a turing test right now to see :-) - Alexander van Elsas

Jesse, I tried. But I couldn't find that switch that protected me from Facebook themselves. So I gave up. - Alexander van Elsas

Alexander: I'm a bot with awesome voice recognition. :-) - Robert Scoble

Alexander - protected you from Facebook themselves? It's called your own blog. :-) - Jesse Stay

Jesse, I just looked you up on Facebook. I saw a "buy this cheap house now, color your picture into a cartoon, and a dental advertisement. What does that say about you? Are you a cheap cartoon real-estate dentist, or are you a cool web 2.0 dude? - Alexander van Elsas

Alexander where are you seeing this? Are you looking at http://facebook.com/stay? - Jesse Stay

search: Jesse stay - Alexander van Elsas

The thing is Jesse, you can set settings any way you want, but Facebook has an advertisement based model. So they'll display ads, usually incredibly badly targeted, next to your profile. And there is nothing that prevents them from doing that. If I use Facebook to connect to people I care about, then I do not want to be associated with badly targeted ads (or any ads for that matter) - Alexander van Elsas

BTW, it took me 2 screen refreshes to see a beautiful, but way too young girl next to your profile ;-) - Alexander van Elsas

Alexander, not sure that has anything to do with Twitter or Facebook then - the only place you're completely safe from that stuff is your own blog. BTW, click on the profile - of course you're going to see non-related info next to my name in a search. - Jesse Stay

Jesse, don't agree. Facebook is for connecting with friends (or business partners). Important in your social interactions. So if Facebook serves badly targeted ads next to your profile it sucks. Especially on the search page, which is the most likely place people that are looking for you will find you! Their business model makes this happen. And their privacy settings only relate to your privacy towards other users, not towards Facebook. They own it all. Sorry for the hijack, will stop now. - Alexander van Elsas

Still not sure what you're arguing Alexander. I've never had trouble finding close friends and family. Your results will get much more accurate when those friends are already friends of other friends of yours, which is usually the case of how I find people on Facebook. If not, just Google them - those profiles are indexable for at least their names. - Jesse Stay

Your profile is the first that comes up here: http://www.google.com/search... - Jesse Stay

Alexander, I agree. It seems to me that there are targeted ads (some I find really offensive as if they think they know what I want) but then there are also ads that are random: they are going to always go for the wide net with those. - Melanie Reed

Jesse, my point is that if someone searches and finds me on Facebook, Facebook will display ads on the search result page next to my profile. Those ads tend to be badly targeted. Let's say an old friend, business partner, or recruiter is looking for me and sees those ads of 16 yr old girls looking for some action next to my profile, what does that make them think about me? - Alexander van Elsas

That there are badly-placed ads just like everywhere else on Facebook next to your profile. What does this have to do with removing yourself from Twitter lists? - Jesse Stay

I mentioned it because I think I understand why Mark Trapp is questioning the way lists have been implemented on Twitter. It is a similar issue I think. If they incorrectly categorize or misplace me ('real-estate-heroes'), it affects how others will perceive me. (Hope I'm right Mark :-) ) - Alexander van Elsas

Alexander I don't see the relation in that case - you can't remove yourself from Twitter search either so long as you have a Twitter account, and you can bet that will have ads in the very near future. What about Google, that places ads around your content? That's just the price for being on the web. What Mark's talking about is the actions of other users - how can I remove myself from a list some other user has placed me in? What you're talking about is a much bigger problem of the web as a whole. - Jesse Stay

Not looking to be right or wrong, just mentioned it. But hey, I haven't seen this much discussion action on FF in a while :-) - Alexander van Elsas

I'm talking about both things: someone else shouldn't be able to dictate, by implication or otherwise, how I'm perceived on my own profile. People can @ me, or say, on their own Twitter stream, that I'm a dick, or a puppy killer, or whatever, but that's attached to them, not to my profile. The way Twitter lists are implemented, they're attached to me rather than the person making the... more... - Mark Trapp

Mark I don't see how that has anything to do with search though (re: both things) - Jesse Stay

Alex said I was questioning the way lists have been implemented on Twitter, that if someone incorrectly categorizes me, it affects how people perceive me. You said that I'm talking about the actions of other users, and how can I remove myself from a list a user has placed me in. Both things are under the domain of my argument. I don't really care about search, unless, as Alex is suggesting, things I didn't consent to are being attached to my profile in a search result. - Mark Trapp

Mark, the latter is just a part of being on the web. Don't open an internet browser if you don't want that. You can't control that on Twitter or Facebook or Google or even your own site (assuming you allow ads) for that matter. It's crazy to think anyone can control how they show up in a search result in relation to ads. - Jesse Stay

Mark: you are wrong and the era of control is over (Steve Gillmor tells me that every show). Personally this is freaking awesome that you can see how people perceive me. And I can see it too. If I don't like how people are perceiving me, I can block them or I can contact them and try to change how they perceive me. But so far I've been looking at thousands of people and this system is REMARKABLY accurate. - Robert Scoble

Jesse: which is why I don't care about search, and it isn't part of my argument. Alex is making a stronger connection between the ads served and my profile, and if he's correct, then there's a problem. But I'm fine with him, not me, tackling that problem: I think the Twitter list implementation is problematic even without considering search implications. - Mark Trapp

Hey Robert, Just looked you up on Facebook and I saw a pretty sleezy looking girl next to you. Facebook decided to do that. You may not mind, but I think it sucks within the context of Facebook and what it should stand for (connecting friends). Facebook could easily decide not to present that advertisement, but they don't. And with that, they affect our personal brand. Jesse. Don't... more... - Alexander van Elsas

Robert: there's nothing particular about the Twitter list implementation that ensures that they are being used for actual perception, and not for other uses (I outlined two: spam and maliciousness). Very basic functionality could be added to lists to mitigate those, non legitimate, uses without changing the core functionality. For instance, your use case you just described, being able to see how others perceive you, does not require lists being public or attached to your profile. - Mark Trapp

Alexander your argument is ridiculous and I'm just going to leave it at that - this is getting repetitive. I see Robert's side of this on the lists - personally, it doesn't matter to me too much. In the end I could just report it to Twitter, but I always have the option of blocking. IMO if the individual isn't willing to remove me from one of their lists after respectfully asking them they deserve to be blocked. They're jerks anyway. - Jesse Stay

Mark: actually, having them attached to your profile and public means I can learn about how others view YOU. This is ABSOLUTELY HUGE in networking. But, yes, I can see why it would freak you out. You better be nice to all of us or else we'll put you on the nasty list. :-) - Robert Scoble

Jesse, 'your argument is ridiculous' is a good way of shutting me up. I won't say another word - Alexander van Elsas

@Robert: You said at #140Conf that Lists aren't spammable. I say they will be. What if scumbag spammers create multiple accounts and add all their usernames to various lists? So, your search for "pilots" could be yield a bunch of phony lists with fake pilots. You could eventually go through the trouble of blocking all those users to kill the lists, but a big waste of time for you. Others could be fooled. - Bryan Person

@vanelsas you are forgetting that Facebook is targeting those ads AT YOU. They primarily go by YOUR demographics and profile keywords from what I understand. Either way, people understand that ads are not the responsibility of the profile owner (most of them get completely ignored anyway). I really don't get your and Mark's fears about this stuff. Seems overblown. So what if someone says something you don't like about or near you? It's called life...deal with it. - Alex Schleber

@alex I am not asking you or anyone else to agree with me. Relax. - Alexander van Elsas from iPhone

Like anything, lists need to be taken with grain of salt. Most will be ego boosts and people trying to chum one another. I don't think lists will be a "game changer". Too subjective. - Kasey Skala

This is why lists is in beta, to work out the kinks and I'm sure if it becomes an issue, Twitter will add the ability to opt-out. Perhaps instead of opting out it would be better to use an opt-in format. If someone adds my name to a list I get a DM from Twitter asking me if I want to be on it and if I don't reply in the affirmative I'm not added to the list. - Hugh Briss

Having to block a person to come off their list is like having to report a newsletter as spam rather than simply unsubscribing. Not to mention it raises flags with Twitter's abuse people when someone is blocked by several people. - Rooker

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Gillmor Gang 10.22.09 - http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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watching this on Virgin America to LV, works fine. - Steve Gillmor

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Is it just me, or is FF lagging behind? I've seen a blog post and a tweet to me not show up as fast as I'd normally expect.

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I have been noticing the same thing. - Oracio

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Me too. - Brett Kelly from iPhone

Many have reported the same. I do a lot of service refreshing to close the gap. - Louis Gray

Yeah, Paul said they're moving to faster servers soon, can't happen fast enough! - Glenn Slaven

Friendfeed lagging, yes. Twitter fail whaling, yes. Not sure how bebo's doing today :) - Micah Wittman

Yes FriendFeed does not seem to be instantly showing tweets as it used to show in the past. - Atul Arora

Yeah, FF's been mighty slow the past few days... - Dennis Jernberg

maybe they're getting cut off now that they're Facebook. Paul, Brett? - Steve Gillmor

We are having some issues with our connection to Twitter that we hope to resolve within a week. We are working with Twitter to find a solution to the problem. - Bret Taylor

OHMYGOD IT"S STARTING NEXT THING POPUPS!!1 - Philipp Lenssen

Steve, FriendFeed is _not_ getting cut off: http://friendfeed.com/paul... - Bruce Lewis

Thanks Bret - Roberto Bonini

This may have to do with the switch to the new servers... - Dennis Jernberg

hmmm ... bookmarked an article on Delicious over an hour ago, haven't seen it show up on FF yet. But a test ping from identi.ca came in within seconds (5 AM PST) .... Edit: new test from Delicious showed up nearly instantaneously, along with previous one now 2 hours old. So looking okay now for me at least. - Dan Freeman

i have a feeling these types of issues have less to do w/ friendfeed and more to do with the service it's coming from... but maybe not - Chris Heath

Chris, you may be right. I see people complaining about Posterous import, but FF does OurDoings and Posterous exactly the same way (SUP) and OurDoings hasn't had issues. Posterous deals with a lot more traffic than OurDoings does, so it wouldn't be surprising if they had an issue. - Bruce Lewis

Same here - Hutch Carpenter

I manually update all my blog posts here. - Thomas Hawk

I had a post (pic from iphone via email) take like 5 minutes to show up on friendfeed today, but that may have to do more with email than friendfeed - Chris Heath

Steve Gillmor

since we all know FriendFeed is a parasite of Twitter, it would appear that if MG is right that Twitter is a ghost town. The innovation halting, however, is a ticking time bomb for Facebook.

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FriendFeed would be fine without Twitter in my opinion... I block most tweets anyway. Why do you have the impression that it is a parasite of Twitter? I am not happy about the lack of support and innovation here now though. But I'm gonna ride this boat till it grounds because it's still the best ship to be on, IMO. - Her Lindsay-ness

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Yeah. /deep voice - Josh Haley

MG is missing the conversations in FF, which were not a parasite of Twitter. In fact, the FF faithful deliberately avoid commenting on Twitter-originated content, which I think is a significant driver of FF's slow downward spiral. - Christian Anderson

Part of the fun is knowing that the Twitter-only readers don't read my responses, don't get the value of a threaded conversation and are yet again just blowing their bugle into their own beadspread. - Aron Michalski from BuddyFeed

The twitter V Friendfeed rivalry is fascinating to watch from the outside but I'll say that my engagement is far higher on twitter and the boycott of tweets does the FF no favors. Could just as easily be symbiotic but whatever ;) - WarLord

To be clear, are these /conversations/ -truly- threaded or are we reduced to lumping another row on the bonfire of banality? - Jay Cuthrell

Well, point taken but having to go look for replies on another page or a column of a client seems counterproductive. As it stands it doesn't matter with me as I often will post and never have any response. I guess I'm not interesting or inflammatory enough. - Aron Michalski from BuddyFeed

I like sharing with FF as a mechanism to push back into Twitter. I periodically stop importing Twitter into FF. I've tried FF as a dumping ground and didn't like it longer term. Facebook seems more about presenting applications with annoying graphics in front of me. Reminds me why I stopped watching TV. Facebook will likely be next. - Jay Cuthrell

the point is, ff is no deader than twitter. neither is. where's stream splicing? - Steve Gillmor

Steve it hurts my feelings that not only don't you tweet on twitter, but you have given up on mp3 files too! And the irony is that the TriCaster is a vestige of the Amiga... - Michael Pinto

Many people hide Twitter in FriendFeed, and watch Twitter somewhere else. - Louis Gray

Interesting...Scoble pretty much (unless I just misunderstood) said the reverse.He thinks FF is the ghost town and Twitter is the place to be. I didn't realize either had problems. Both seem just as active to me, but I'm just a user too. - George Gray

posting Dare's FB comment here: Dare Obasanjo That's a bogus statement and you know it. Friendfeed was a Twitter app that lots of people used. People have moved on to other apps since the FB purchase (Brizzly?). This isn't a reflection on Twitter just a sign that people no longer treat Friendfeed as a primary destination for conversations around microcontent - Steve Gillmor

Interesting that Dare's comment is on Facebook, not Brizzly? Once FB solves the orphan comment problem, many will move there. For now, I see little difference in FF since the acquisition except for frozen development, as MG points out. Brizzly or Seesmic or Threadsy do not provide a replacement for FF, at least for me, at least not yet. What has changed is the time FB has to bridge the... more... - Steve Gillmor

Michael I tweet on twitter thru here, just like others use Tweetie, etc. I haven't given up on mp3 but rather moved to mp4. YouTube is currently not providing an RSS feed for my stream, and the approval process for downloads seems stuck for the last few episodes. I used my Amiga and Toaster until they stopped supporting them, and the Tricaster goes well beyond the Toaster. - Steve Gillmor

i had to remove twitter from friendfeed to prevent doubleposting on facebook. (as if there were no problems in our world) - kosmar

kosmar don't understand your problem. I post here, it goes to Twitter, which pipes it to Facebook. However, Facebook comments to my posts are orphaned on Facebook. - Steve Gillmor

Steve, I can't believe how many comments missed the semantics of the post - that the pointy end of the stick was jabbing at Twitter. It may be a style thing I'm already used to, I don't know. :) - Micah Wittman

steve, well i want all ff lifestream aggregation be on facebook - but the ff app on facebook only posts "posts" on the wall, which look ugly and therefore are less conversational it seems. i would prefer to have my fb-status changed by the items the ff app pushes (like twitter app does) - best twitter to facebook seems tweetpo.st (but is handicapped by twitter follower ratio issues at... more... - kosmar

… orphaned comments are one big problem. if all would be wave (or maybe pshb), that could be fixed, i guess. - but then, if someone talks about you on the phone, that will forever be orphaned anyway (i do hope so) - kosmar

it just seems to me having recently tried ff in more frequency that with facebook and twitter it is far easier to request contact and it feels more direct - unless i am missing a way to have this dynamic in ff - Alexander Kitingan

Network effects suggest its wise to work with many networks, not against them. Tis a bit arbitrary and capricious for a user to 'prefer' one nascent platform over another. - Just some guy

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Gillmor Gang 10.15.09 - http://gillmorgang.techcrunch.com/2009...

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Location, location, location — foursquare’s Dennis Crowley, drop.io’s Sam Lessin. socialmedia.com’s Seth Goldstein, and Robert Scoble. Recorded live Thursday, October 15, 2009. - Steve Gillmor

Full transcript http://gillmorgang.techcrunch.com/2009... - Steve Gillmor

Robert Scoble

The most damning thing is that no one from the FriendFeed team or Facebook has joined the community here that is talking about it to tell us what's happening in the future. That, more than anything I've written or said communicates the future of FriendFeed.

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I keep hoping someone will tell me I'm wrong and will post a slide deck about the future of FriendFeed. But the lack of information is confirming what I'm hearing from my sources. - Robert Scoble

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So true - nail in the coffin! :(... - Susan Beebe from BuddyFeed

It's Sunday. - Anika

Anika: geeks in both companies are online and working on a Sunday and last night is NOT the first time I've been talking about the lack of direction here. Also, over the last week lots of blogs have been posting about the traffic hit that FriendFeed has already seen. - Robert Scoble

If there really was a team working on FriendFeed you BET they would contact us on a Sunday. They used to in this old days. - Robert Scoble

Remember, Facebook has a PR team of more than 10 people. You think they aren't watching what people are saying about Facebook nearly 24/7? Not in my experience. They are the most engaged PR team in a new company I know of. - Robert Scoble

The reality is that this is still a very useful service, and people stay because of the functionality and the community. There is no other service out there that accomplishes what this one does. There is still nowhere else to go. - LogEx

LogEx: that's true, but it's also true that most people will go places where there's a clear future. Unless it's just to post non-consequential things. Me? This is both my fun time (which is why I'm still here) as well as my business (I won't be betting any of my business decisions on doing stuff here because of this lack of direction which tells me that no one is really working on FriendFeed actively anymore). - Robert Scoble

Robert, I understand the perhaps reasonable conclusions you're reaching, but breaking the silence could send too much signal to FB's competition when they'd rather send more silence which ends up, really, being noise. - Micah Wittman

FriendFeed is like an old dying dog left out in the pasture alone; abandoned by its Master to die in the silence. - Susan Beebe from BuddyFeed

Most social network content is ephemeral. If people really want their stuff to have a clear future, they should own and host it on their own domains. - LogEx

Robert, so maybe you're not giving their PR _enough_ credit. It's speculation on my part, granted. - Micah Wittman

Micah: sorry, that dog don't run. Healthy companies signal future directions, even under NDA. It would be pretty easy to meet with a few members of the community, NDA them, and tell them what's going on. If Louis Gray came on here and told me he's under NDA and that I'm wrong then I'd feel much better. The truth is I've talked with people inside Facebook and I know what the former FriendFeed team is working on. Hint: it isn't FriendFeed. - Robert Scoble

Logex - yup! - Susan Beebe from BuddyFeed

I still wish they'd make it open source or something so that people could continue to develop on it. :S - Her Lindsay-ness

Susan, I don't think "human master - canine pooch" analogy really applies to Friendfeed team - community that's formed. - Micah Wittman

By the way, Facebook meets with bloggers/journalists all the time to give us secret hints at what's coming. I've been to Facebook several times this year for just that. Facebook has no serious competition, by the way, so they don't make PR decisions based on what Twitter is doing. - Robert Scoble

I guess I'm not most people then. If I find something that works, I prefer to stay put as long as it meets my needs. New things are nice, but I don't have time to constantly try out new services to see if they are better that what I am presently using. (That's why I follow people like Robert ;-)) The new shiny service would have to be significantly better than what I presenlty use to make me want to switch. - Jeff P. Henderson

Do you have any services that offer the same functionality, are widely available, and actually have a future, Robert? How about offering a solution for once instead of just bitching? - LANjackal

Robert. Can you reveal the information you have from your sources. Discussions where one person has information they won't reveal is frankly frustrating. If you have some inside knowledge yet continue to make statements like this and FriendFeed is dead? then it really is frustrating to the community. - Johnny Worthington from iPhone

If your business is posting to social media, and you think your content is "consequential" based on how long it will be around on the web ... I think you've misunderstood the current moment in social media. - Joel Bennett

There's much less interaction than there used to be - but I still have faith in the users. This (was) is a vibrant and interesting place to be - and that's testament not only to the people that made the site, but also to the people who breathed life into it. I'll be following friendfeed still, but i'll also be following the friendfeeders i've met here. I'm not sure where the future is, but it'll be something to do with the people here. I'm sure of that. - Iain Baker

+1 - LANjackal from IM

Micah - lack of innovation and development on FF platform will cause obsolesence soon. Social web apps must innovate or die. When Facebook acquired FF, we all knew that FF would wind down due to this. Communities will migrate to current platforms that meet their needs. I am sensing a large contingent of the FF community is about to leave FF, myself included. - Susan Beebe from BuddyFeed

Re Tina: IIRC she got laid off and is prolly busy trying to find new employment - LANjackal from IM

@Susan: "social web apps must innovate or die" really? tell that to Twitter, lol - LANjackal from IM

Robert, did Wolfram-Alpha indicate their future direction being a $50 iphone app? All I'm saying is Facebook's strategy may include support to FF that's not in a time-frame worth pushing through PR yet. - Micah Wittman

My favorite thing about this whole "Facebook is dead, move on" campaign is that these guys are basically just trying to shoe you BACK to the service they talked most of you OFF of in the first place: Twitter. I'm still looking for their motivation. - Joel Bennett

Only one thing to say. Jaiku - Moved to Facebook

FB is dead? Anyone who's saying that in view of their soaring stats and the roaring success that FB Connect has been needs their head examined - LANjackal from IM

The way I see it, Robert, your constant bitching and declaring friendfeed dead is what is killing the community. While the software it runs on may be dead, the community is not. I have to separate it and explain it to you, because you don't seem to understand the difference and how being a vocal part of this community affects it. The more you put it down, the more people won't come here... more... - April Russo (app103)

^ My thoughts exactly. http://friendfeed.com/friendf... - LANjackal from IM

Susan, social web apps need utility/affection by a set of users. If cutting/bleeding edge aficionados is the particular user set in question, then what you said generally holds true. But it's not the general case unless a true replacement (in this case for FF) is available. - Micah Wittman

I don't think he's killing the community, he's just killing the community's participation with him. - Alex Scoble

Robert. Can you advise the information you have from your sources? - Johnny Worthington

I am stuck in the middle on this one... - Allen Stern

Fair point, Alex. I think this issue needs the two Scobles to put their heads together and clear the air. - Micah Wittman

http://ff.im/6HqPf - Chris Lasher

Naw...I like friendfeed. I'm not going anywhere as long as my friends are here. - Alex Scoble

Me neither :) - LANjackal from IM

Amen, Alex. - Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)

Is Friendfeed dying ( if it is) because of it being purchase by Facebook, or by members reaction to that purchase? Did people forecast the death of Friendfeed and then leave, therefore creating the exact scenario they predicted. - Kim Landwehr

That's exactly what happened - LANjackal from IM

Robert, doesn't this put the denouement on the donkey for all those who thought it too sharp a call to say what was going on in that sale and before it? It seemed fairly clear to me what had been going on mainly from seeing the actions at the time of the sale and "doing the math". As Aristotle said: "Plot is character" - Melanie Reed

Some times the lab rats do understand and stop sniffing for the cheese, looking up at the lab coats above them with a knowing twitch of the whisker. - Melanie Reed

Can FriendFeed be another StumbleUpon two years later? http://stumbleupon.com/sublog... EDIT: "I don't want it happen though. I hope FFers let me entertain us again on FB" (excerpted from http://ff.im/6pO0a in Japanese) - NaHi from f2p

I'm more of a social media *consumer* than I am a participant. From a consumer's point of view, FF is more interesting than its competitors. A nice place to hang out, enjoy, learn, and sometimes discuss. Less guesswork is involved in deciding whether to click through to sources. From a consumer's perspective, as long as it remains interesting there won't be a reason to move on. - howard shippin from BuddyFeed

Johnny: yes, my sources inside Facebook tell me that the FriendFeed team has been split apart and is working on Facebook items only. So far no one has refuted that. - Robert Scoble

April: you can believe that I'm personally killing the community but that really is giving me far more power than I actually have. The community has dramatically changed in the last two months. The alpha geeks I follow and that I build my business around have largely left. Everytime I meet geeks at conferences they tell me they are not spending as much time on FriendFeed as they did before the sale to Facebook and that the lack of direction from the team is largely responsible for that. - Robert Scoble

And, April, if you read my blog post you'll see that I believe a new community is already moving in here -- one that doesn't care if the technology will see new features. - Robert Scoble

I'm not on FB that much, but do people from their team actually get involved on the site? Is that even possible, with the privacy controls? I said it on another thread: you can't serve two masters. If FB is paying the bills now, that's probably where erstwhile FF staff must spend their time. - .LAG liked that

I agree with Robert here - Matthew DeVries

.LAG: yes. I have dozens of Facebook employees as friends over on Facebook and they do engage all over the place. - Robert Scoble

.LAG: the head of PR at Facebook, Brandee Barker, even has a Twitter account: http://twitter.com/faceboo... and there are TONS of employees who hang out on both Twitter and Facebook like Dave Morin, head of Facebook's platform team. - Robert Scoble

Kim: I did one of the first interviews with the FriendFeed and Facebook teams after the sale was announced (within the first hour) and even then you could tell that Facebook had no plans for FriendFeed's technology and mostly wanted the team. The fact that Gary Burd (who ran the Google Talk team and is VERY influential in Seattle technology) has already left speaks VOLUMES to what is going on behind the scenes. Guys like Gary don't leave if they are having fun and making a huge impact. - Robert Scoble

April - Robert actions and Roberts threads have nothing to do with the death of Friendfeed. Robert's threads still have traffic and activity. The place where I see, where Robert would probably not ever be able to appreciate is the fact that there was once a time when a postless thread was impossible. Every single one of my threads had traffic. Even if it was one or 2 silly posts of... more... - Matthew DeVries

http://friendfeed.com/bwana that right there.....that is the saddest thing. That was once what I considered to be the most important account on Friendfeed. - Matthew DeVries

That's a stupid call he made for himself - LANjackal from IM

I'm a new user. i quite enjoy what's here, at the moment. I can't say that I'm a sophisticated social networker, but I have already grown to trust many of the folk i've met here. Like someone earlier in the thread said, if enough of my friends on friendfeed decide to move on, i'll likely follow. i don't suspect that that kind of 'distant early warning' would arrive via Facebook. - T. Brent, technopeasant

My experience on FF does not hinge on Robert. The community of thinkers and feelers will find a way to interact, here or somewhere else. By the way, some of us are left out of the loop 99% of the time when it comes to knowing what's next. Welcome to the club. - Aron Michalski from BuddyFeed

Matthew: you aren't the only one to notice this or tell me the same thing. Many won't point it out in public, either, because they just don't want to piss off those who are still here. Me? Being public with what I'm hearing, experiencing, deciding, etc is the way I deal with life and the conversations with others tend to either confirm the direction I'm aiming in, or they pull me back from the brink. So far not much has changed my opinion, and, in fact, has augmented it. - Robert Scoble

Aron: Twitter is about to turn on lists. That's one feature FriendFeed had over it. Within six weeks they will turn on a new retweet feature that looks more like FriendFeed's "likes" than it looks like RTs, so that's another feature. Twitter is working on real time search and I'd expect them to turn on a much better search within six months. So, what's left? Comments. Those are added on... more... - Robert Scoble

I still get a lot of activity on my posts but it's not what it used to be. The big thing I've noticed is a rarely get new subscriptions yet I'm still quite active here. Going from getting several or more a day to one or so a week is a big indicator to me of FriendFeed's decline. - Akiva Moskovitz

It's time to open source FF. Start the chant. - Todd Hoff

is it possible that things are levelling off, naturally? can growth, here or elsewhere, expect to be exponential forever and ever? - T. Brent, technopeasant

Brent, you bring up a salient point. For some, the constant movement is what they are really excited about more than the community. This is not to say that these ones don't enjoy the community, they obviously do. But they enjoy the "building" up of it. It's like getting trapped in the "I always want to be falling in love" feeling and never, as you bring out, get to and enjoy the natural leveling off. Some do enjoy that part. And there may be enough of them to keep this version of FF going. - Melanie Reed

There's a problem with stasis, though. For one, it almost always leads to entropy and, for two, it means that there isn't an influx of new blood. It's the same people doing the same things having the same conversations. It decreases how dynamic the experience is. It becomes stale. - Akiva Moskovitz

I'm not saying that FriendFeed's hit that stage yet but it most likely will. I'm still having a great time here but it's not nearly as exciting as it used to be and, no, that's just because the honeymoon period's worn off. - Akiva Moskovitz

Akiva, I respectfully disagree. It's like exploring a new path in an old garden. This is the place most people are either afraid to traverse or have not developed the discipline to want to go there. There are always new things yet to be discovered in the same relationship. We just get "ants in our pants" not wanting to sit still long enough to discover it. ;) - Melanie Reed

Melanie, oh yeah? Well, you're WRONG! In all seriousness, I think it's two sides of the same coin. And I want both. It's why I hang out both on Twitter and FriendFeed. I get different (but good!) experiences out of both. - Akiva Moskovitz

Matt - Yup, I've experienced the same thing as I have over 2,500 FF followers and now see a very low user engagement; whereas, in the past, I could get a ton of likes / comments on any topic. Now I see only crickets!! FF is dying. - Susan Beebe from BuddyFeed

Akiva, Its more about learning to "exult in monotony". ;) - Melanie Reed

Hah. Sorry, Melanie, but when it comes to social networking, I'm definitely polyamorous. - Akiva Moskovitz

Akiva, I've just come to appreciate the wisdom of Solomon: that there is "nothing new under the sun". lol Or as Shania Twain would say: "That don't impress me much." - Melanie Reed

With Friend Feed I can go to the site, and watch in realtime all the action going on with those I follow. I see Likes, Comments, Pictures, Nicely grouped and can type more than 140 characters if I want to. With Twitter, it's all a kludge to add on this and that and this client or that client and I just don't see how Twitter compares technically to FriendFeed at this time. Twitter was... more... - Keith Rowland

Yeah, the 140 character cap is the most baffleing thing that makes me wish FF wouldn't die and Twitter become king. I want more than 140 characters, I want it in real time, I want it in conversation, and I want it 100% free of super poke and my highschool neighbor's grand mother following me. - Matthew DeVries

It is the weekend and some people sleep :) At least that's how I'm looking at it ..for now.. plus I'm begging: Friendfeed please don't go away.. - http://new2me.posterous.com/friendf... (via http://ff.im/a57K2). - Chris Myles

FF activity is like the Bears defense tonight... far less vibrant than you'd expect - Jay Cuthrell from BuddyFeed

sorry 2 say that Scoble friendfeed is slowing down 2 :( - polou/indigo_bow

Not dead yet. Thank goodness. - Aron Michalski

The truth is we know nothing more than a few weeks after the sale when the team commented that they will keep it going as long as they could. We all knew development would stop. We all knew it would run on auto-pilot. No one here seriously expects FriendFeed to continue forever but a lot of us aren't pulling the plug and walking out the door. Interaction is down, to be expected, and I'm... more... - Johnny Worthington

well-put, Johnny. - T. Brent, technopeasant

Agree Johnny.. - Chris Myles

Here we go again... - BLOGBloke

OH MY DEAR LORD! THE FRIENDFEED TEAM ISN'T INSTANTLY AVAILABLE ON A SUNDAY AFTERNOON TO TALK ABOUT THEIR STRATEGIC PLANS! ALERT THE MEDIA! - Glen Campbell

Glen, the last 13 words took your statement from accurate to inaccurate - Matthew DeVries

What Twitter client are you using these hours anyway Robert? Have you checked out CoTweet? - Matthew DeVries

Regardless of the Friendfeed team's lack of comments, the volume on some threads like this does prove to me that life still exists on FF. I will agree that the volume is lighter but nothing has officially shown me that Friendfeed is dead, only bogus news articles trying to create news... - manielse (Mark Nielsen)

Look at FriendFeed. Look at Facebook. Which one needs improvement? Of course the team isn't working on FriendFeed now. But they're still using it, and would be upset if Facebook killed it. Facebook values them. They won't kill FriendFeed. - Bruce Lewis

strictly speaking, since the time of the sale facefeed staff have added new features http://friendfeed.com/friendf... posted news about technology development http://friendfeed.com/friendf... and responded to user support http://friendfeed.com/friendf... - Mike Chelen

Mathew: I use Tweetie on iPhone for almost all Twitter tasks. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

You also started it at 3am in the morning on Sunday - kind of a bad time to get their attention, don't you think? - Jesse Stay

Social Media Epertistes are vampires, they'd shrivel up and die otherwise after a night full of exsanguination orrrrrrrrr we could just fwd. this to the Feedback Room [done] - sofarsoShawn

Great, so its over? I wonder how many times the community is going to be willing to put themselves into something like this before we realise that all this stuff needs to move over to an open platform. I have a few great great communities die because of financially/politically motivated owners. shitty. - Jason Strachan

Which reminds me: Anybody know how the OpenFF project's going? - Dennis Jernberg

We had this discussion about the future of Friendfeed back when the buyout was first confirmed. We assume it's treading water, and maybe some day we'll be surprised by an update. - Vezquex: God of FF

Shawn, well done - Jesse Stay

Vezquex, yeah - how many more times do you predict this will come up again? FriendFeed just gave an excuse for people to say something's dead. I predict this will happen many more times until it is actually dead or they start really vamping it up again. No one in this thread has the authority to know that. - Jesse Stay

Maybe we will just roll our own waves. - Sean Oliver

Re: Shawn http://bit.ly/g7zYA - Matthew DeVries

Let's stop comparing elephants to fleas. Even if having 10 PR people allowed Facebook to be the "most engaged" new company, adjusted against the number of inquiries originating from members, 10 people cannot support that volume. With 250 million (or how ever many more) members, the right level of PR staffing would have to be closer to 250 (one PR person per 1 million members) to get... more... - Rich Reader

Wow, I hadn't realized Bwana had completely left. Did he blog about it? - Laura Norvig

I'm not sure if he blogged about it, Laura, but he certainly did talk about it...I'm surprised that he made his feed go dark as abruptly as he did. - Alex Scoble

Laura, Alex, yeah that abruptness took me by surprise too. My iphone shed a pixelated tear. - Micah Wittman

screw this thread.... Robert Scoble crushed my friendfeed fantasy... and you people are still talking about friendfeed being dead, Now let the damn thing die quietly thank you...... - Cjay

Start using Hide, Cjay - Alex Scoble

All Hail FriendFeed. FriendFeed is dead. Long Live FriendFeed. I like it better than wave, twitter, fb. If anything the signal to noise ratio has improved. - Robert Higgins

Paul's Response on Read Write http://thenextweb.com/2009... - Robert Higgins

You guys do know that Paul did post about this,right ?? Rendering Roberts shock a moot point. - Roberto Bonini from iPhone

Paul Buchheit speaks up! http://ff.im/a8LNU - Susan Beebe

Every time I see this, I keep thinking that "damning" is entirely too strong of a word... - Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF

The walrus replied - Steve Gillmor from iPhone

Roberto (and the walrus): oh, really? Did you READ what Paul wrote? How does that differ from anything I've said? - Robert Scoble

Robert, you said FriendFeed is dead and Paul said it isn't. Keep in mind you're using said "dead" site to respond. - Allred

Twitter is undernourished FF is chronically ill. FB is fat with clogged arteries and 10% of its users have disabled accounts including me. - Darrell Hudson

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The Gillmor Gang — Robert Scoble, Kevin Marks, Dan Farber, and Loic LeMeur — talk Twitter with John Borthwick and Laura Fitton. Recorded live Thursday, October 8, 2009. - Steve Gillmor

Full transcript http://gillmorgang.techcrunch.com/2009... - Steve Gillmor

Thanks for posting this. Your doing a great job editing the show live. I like your board set up, it looks spendy. - Paul E. Ester

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Video on the Web - Dive Into HTML5 - http://diveintohtml5.org/video...

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Cool but who needs/wants video - Once it shows up as audio (bootleged) I'm sure I'll enjoy it :-) - PXLated

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just a matter of resources. Most are happy with the video (tip: contains audio) - Steve Gillmor

YouTube video ain't much good to the working shlub who wants to listen on the commute home. I find Steve's audience hostility to be endearingly punk of him. "Office died for somebody's sins, but not mine!" - Dave Slusher

Dave -- try this in your favorite browser http://www.google.com/search... - Jay Cuthrell

the working shlub as you put it Dave can load the mp4 file on his ipod or iphone just fine. Hostility not present. - Steve Gillmor

Steve thank you for doing the GG and I like YouTube just fine, thank you. Got RSS audio feed too http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes... - Susan Beebe

I've never owned a player that would play an mp4. I was hoping you'd like the Patti Smith joke. Swing and a miss! - Dave Slusher

Yes Steve, video includes audio and a gazillion more bits than I need to download :-) - PXLated

Steve - Do love the shows once I get them - Always have. - PXLated

Patti Smith FTW. PX you're welcome. thx for listening or whatever it is you do. - Steve Gillmor

thx Susan, and thx to the bootleggers who feed the mp3s - Steve Gillmor

You're welcome Steve! I'm downloading now and the MP3 will be up soon at http://feeds2.feedburner.com/bootleg... - Jack

Since the return of GG I have not listened (seen)a single episode as when I have the time I don't have the bandwidth and vice versa. I know I live in a cultural backwater and use ancient one year old technology and that it's my fault but I miss the show. - Aron Michalski from fftogo

aron see comment above - Steve Gillmor

Steve - you're welcome! :) - Susan Beebe

Re: "just a matter of resources" - with Quicktime Pro, you can just "extract audio". Saves all of us downloading unnecessary video. (Thanks to whoever is doing the bootlegs). Also, it's nice to be able to "subscribe" and have new shows just show up. - Darius Dunlap

Thanks Steve. Seem to be a day late and a dollar short around here... - Aron Michalski from fftogo

Jack is the kind soul doing the bootlegging - i think - Susan Beebe

Yes I am. It's a non trivial process; 45 minutes to download from Youtube, several minutes to re-encode and add ID3 tags then 20 minutes to upload to archive.org - Jack

Hi guys, how have you all been? Have to hand it to Steve that he can get all the old gang members in a tizzy that (surprise) he's holding the reins. - Bruce Lerner

MP3 of this show: http://www.archive.org/downloa... The RSS feed will update itself soon - Jack

Thanks for this Jack. - Jay Cuthrell

Yeah, thanks Jack. I really appreciate your doing this. - Ken Morley

Darius after months of transition we are now producing a video show. The show is a different thing than previous versions, and will continue to change as warranted. It may be unnecessary video for you but it takes a lot of energy and resources for us, as well as from our sponsors and partners who like us are investing in the new realtime network. I'm trying to engineer an RSS feed of... more... - Steve Gillmor

In the end, if you wanted to go to the trouble (or some fan could do it), you might have to mash up with another service, like Blip.tv, that has more investment in episodic content to produce a feed with enclosures. Maybe check with Calacanis's guy. They seem to do a dual upload to Blip for TWIS and the Pollack show so they can use the more robust elements in the blip namespaces. - Amyloo

For what it's worth I like the new video format. In my opinion it's easier to follow who's saying what. I hook my MacBook up to my HDTV and the YouTube video starts playing within a minute via DSL/local Wifi net. - scott anderson

Sounds like a great setup Scott - Steve Gillmor from iPhone

At this rate, you'll be moving into America's bedrooms by Christmas. - Matt Terenzio

Steve, not a big deal, but what's the relationship between "the new realtime network" and doing GG in video (as opposed to audio)? Is video more "realtime" than audio? - Andrew Jaffe

Hey Steve, I thought after the Dylan news, the Gillmor Gang Christmas Album had been put on hold... - Cliff Gerrish

Andrew I see this new realtime network as something different and fascinating. More than audio, not how I see it. Different. - Steve Gillmor

Check out the YouTube embed on this page: publisher-side blindfold http://thinkprogress.org/2009... - Amyloo

Ok, I tried another angle, though resource heavy and space consuming to time align for the mobile hobo... I opened the YouTube page in Firefox with a Greasemonkey script installed and downloaded the file as a .flv, used Visual Hub to convert it to a M4v and then put it on my iPod Touch. By adding time to Realtime, I was able to enjoy the discussion in the cardboard box of my choice,... more... - Aron Michalski from BuddyFeed

seems like there's a song lyric about that... - Karoli

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Borthwick, Fitton, Marks, Scoble, Farber, Loic. - Steve Gillmor

thanks for having me Steve. - Loic Le Meur

Interesting as usual, the ecosystem is set to explode with the Listing API and curation is what everyone needs to be working on. Nice to hear more opinions about status updates converging and reading lists trending, as the potential issues with proxy rights to link data and a Facebook App Store. Looking forward for the transcript. - Alberto Saavedra

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Would some-one please show Ballmer the door – finally - http://www.winextra.com/index...

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I would gladly take that bet if it was backed up by anything real. - Steve Gillmor

for sure Gates will be back at the helm 2012 - Thomas Power

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Gillmor Gang 10.01.09 - http://gillmorgang.techcrunch.com/2009...

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The Gillmor Gang — Phil WIndley, Craig Burton, Robert Scoble, and Kevin Marks — debate Google sidewiki and identity politics. Recorded live October 1, 2009. Full transcript below the video, courtesy of Simulscribe. Download the original attachment Mr. STEVE GILLMOR: Hi. Welcome to the Gillmor Gang. I’m Steve Gillmor and we’ve got some - of the usual suspects [...] - Steve Gillmor

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Does anyone have a feed for the bootlegged audio-only version? - nick

Great show! totally explained Sidewiki and why it is fine and doesn't offend the website owner! - Phillip Molly Malone

Nick: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/bootleg... - Jack

Never thought I'd say this, but I'm with Scoble on this one - not that there's anything either of us can do about it. - Richard Carter, FCD from iPhone

funny thing is, Scoble has built a job on doing "side" channels on other peoples content. What is the difference? - William Stacey

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@stevegillmor don't know if you've explained it yet, but no Gillmor Gang audio-only? I've looked all over the place.

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there's a bootleg version from a guy named Jack here. try search and let me know if u can't find it. - Steve Gillmor

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Mr. Gillmor even the Grateful Dead had official versions of their LPs! - Michael Pinto

the video is the official version. soon we'll be offering official blindfolds to convert into audio only - Steve Gillmor

Shh, don't tell anyone http://bit.ly/WLuTG - Christian Burns

Perfect. Thanks. The fuzz don't like me watching the youtubes while driving. Blinders or no. - James Seaborn from iPhone

James, you will want to purchase official GG blindfolds when they come out even if you don't use them. - Christian Burns

I've used earplugs occasionally. - Matt Terenzio

the earplugs are bootlegs - Steve Gillmor

I too would like an audio version. I have many more opportunities to listen than to watch. - Mason Lee

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Fear Strikes Out - http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009...

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fixed thx - Steve Gillmor

Has anyone heard from dave winer today he has been silent for 24 hours - Mark from iPhone

Interesting piece, agree on the opportunity for an atomized content architecture with personalized context and the conclusion around the key success factor: leverage the power of peer relationships by providing choice when modeling trust relationships. Not entirely sure that the current hybrid iPhone model provides enough choice to continue scaling. - Alberto Saavedra

Leo Laporte

Having trouble ripping the Stereo Beatles Re-Masters on a Mac. I think the mini-documentaries are causing an issue. Stupid EMI.

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had that problem with mono Revolver on an old MacBook Pro. solved by using Home Shares and loading on an iMac - Steve Gillmor

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Search for fred wilson on twitter & you'll meet a lot of ppl who are hoping for Fred Thompson/Joe Wilson ticket in 2012

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@stevegillmor and I are blocking each other to test the Twitter blocking system. Our verdict? It sucks.

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blocking on Twitter that is. Scoble has abandoned FriendFeed so he'll have to use Summize or the web page. - Steve Gillmor

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What are you finding the problem to be with blocking on Twitter? - Diego Barros 

I still see blocked people in Twitter search. - Robert Scoble from iPhone

Oh, that's annoying. I wonder if it's by design or an oversight? - Diego Barros 

interestingly I can block davewiner on FriendFeed even though he blocked me a month ago. - Steve Gillmor

Diego: as with everything on Twitter, methinks it's engineering laziness. - Robert Scoble

there's a term for when guys block each other, isn't there? - SuezanneC Baskerville

hey, why don't you love each other? - alp guneysel

very interesting. I've always wondered what effect of blocking someone is - Ben Toth

I supposed when you blocked someone you should still be able to find this person via twitter search - only the blocked user should not be able to find or follow you. Some time ago they had a bug where you blocked people but they still appeared on you followers list (as blocked, but they appear) - Olivia Lovag

Robert: Maybe search and the rest of Twitter are still somewhat separate teams. But yeah, your theory is probably close to the mark. - Diego Barros 

Here's another one: deleted Tweets still show up, apparently forever, in Twitter Search. - Frank Scavo

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The Demise Of Linking ... And Its Effect On Google Pagerank - http://www.siliconvalleywatcher.com/mt...

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uhhh, wait... links are dead? - Steve Gillmor

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Not only are links happening less frequently, but they are having less downstream impact in a world of RSS, Facebook, Twitter and FriendFeed. But that won't make me stop linking. It's the right thing to do. - Louis Gray

Links are migrating... - Cliff Gerrish

HTML is dead! (Thanks to Twitter, which is probably the #1 reason URL shorteners are booming; even more than email) - Robert J Taylor

Links have dropped the 'n' and added an 'e' - Links -> Likes - Cliff Gerrish

wondering what if anything anyone is doing about the links shared on Twitter. That is filtered search. Wouldn't you want to know what people are finding interesting enough to pass along and serve that in your database? - Valeria Maltoni

Where's the gesture bank when you need it? - Cliff Gerrish

Louis how do you link to an RSS item? How can that be the right thing to do? - Steve Gillmor

Whether its an RSS item or a Social Microbyte or a video for that matter, it should have a url. . .even if the masses don't use it. SOME way of pointing back at it in the future. How else will we be able to study history? Or will no one be accountable for what they have said in the past? - Matt Terenzio

I know. No one has ever been accountable for what they said, why should they now? I hear you. - Matt Terenzio

One of those things is not like the others. - Cliff Gerrish

Valeria, my suspicion has long been that Twitter's eventual business model is contained in the answer to the question you just posed. A human-powered relevance engine, that is fueled by passive and unconscious preferences (as opposed to the overt action required by a Mahalo.) - Ike Pigott

Links have dropped the 'n' and added an 'e' - Links -> Likes - Cliff Gerrish --> Liked - xavier vespa from Android

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@stevegillmor Hey, is this separate and distinct from TC again?

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don't understand your question Dana. http://gillmorgang.techcrunch.com - Steve Gillmor

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For Your Eyes Only - http://www.techcrunchit.com/2009...

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wow, for a steve gillmor article I almost understood that ! - Adrian

oops, will have to reinstitute sanctions - Steve Gillmor

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