Lewis writes, "Sir: Even before I had succeeded in concentrating the isotope of hydrogen, I predicted that H2H2O [D2O] would not support life and would be lethal to higher organisms. As soon as heavy water became available experiments to test this idea were begun, but it was necessary to choose an experiment which would require the minimum of biological technique and also very small quantities of water. The minute seeds of tobacco..."
- Steve Koch
Every Lewis paper I have read in the past couple months is fantastic. This is a short but sweet paper that really has me excited about my kids' upcoming science fairs in a few years.
- Steve Koch
Cute paper, kind of amusing this was realized so early, and it is still a surprise now to many people (including myself). I wonder how he made that prediction.
- mkz
I'm actually sort of looking forward to the fact that I can enjoy Michigan's bowl victory over Florida for another year. Who cares about all those other streaks that are ending? It's going to be 3 years in a row now without losing a bowl game, which is high by Michigan standards.
Is now a good time to mention the myth about how D2O can cause neurological disorders. Its very popular amongst the neutron scattering community because we swim in the stuff.
- Cameron Neylon
Sure! I haven't come across that myth yet. And not trying to be careless with my posts, I am just amused / intrigued by how much deuterium is in regular water.
- Steve Koch
I think I dreamt this week about a study that showed that deuterium was actually important in a few biological processes :)
- Egon Willighagen
Don't even get me started on the deuterium dreams I've been having lately :)
- Steve Koch
"Deuterium oxide (heavy water; D(2)O) has previously been reported to have a protective effect on biomolecules (proteins and nucleic acids), cells and simple multicellular organisms against thermal shock."
- Steve Koch
"However, ie needs co be rncncloncd that some general stabilization methods arc transterable, although exact formulations could vary. For example, simple nonrcducing sugars such as sucrose and trehalose arc commonly used scabilizcrs for a "vide range of vaccines."
- Steve Koch
(Whoops. looks like the OCR failed on this article)
- Steve Koch
"Briefly, D2O is relatively more dense and more viscous than H 20 and has higher melting and boiling points. Differences in other physical properties are not so marked. The deuterium bonds in D2O are stronger than the analogous hydrogen bonds in H 20"
- Steve Koch
"'The differential scanning calorimetry technique was applied to allow for a thermodynamic analysis of two types of globular proteins: hen's egg lysozyme with relatively strong internal cohesion (a 'hard' globular protein) and bovine serum albumin, which is known for its conformational adaptability (a 'soft' globular protein). Both proteins were more stable in D2O compared with H2O. The...
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- Steve Koch
This seems to be a really reliable and easy to read review so far. According to these authors, the 2009 terminology is: "solvent isotope effect" = effects of D2O molecule as a whole (basically this is what I was originally thinking of). The other effect, they are calling "Deuterium Isotope Effect (DIE)" "which results from the ability of D2O to replace H with D in biological molecules."
- Steve Koch
C-D bonds are apparently 10x stronger than C-H. When placed into H2O, C-D bonds in biomolecules will remain C-D "essentially indefinitely." Whereas, D bonds with other atoms (N, O, ...) will be rapidly exhanged when placed in H2O.
- Steve Koch
They say this, but I don't understand the reasoning: "By contrast, short-term effects seen on isolated cells or enzymes arc probably due to solvent isotope effects alone."
- Steve Koch
Steve, the link you put up takes me to a university-specific site -- do you have an original link? Or -- an explanation for why C-D bonds are so much stronger than C-H? Everything I know about chemistry tells me its the electron structure that determines bond strength -- not the nuclear composition -- and that, more than anything, is what I'm interested in finding out more on.
- Benjamin Tseng
Benjamin, does that link work? I was able to get a very low-quality copy via interlibrary loan. I can send you a copy via email if you need it.
- Steve Koch
And I was similarly surprised at how much chemistry is affected by D versus H. One example of how electron structure is affected by nuclear mass is in the optical spectroscopy of the Balmer series of Deuterium versus Hydrogen. Reduced mass of electron is different in H versus D and thus the spectra are different. Not a huge effect, but different nonetheless.
- Steve Koch
Steve, sorry for the delinquent response -- have been on a business trip. A friend lent me a copy -- haven't had a chance to read it yet, but am looking forward to it.
- Benjamin Tseng
No Problem, Benjamin. In the past few days, I've looked over a lot of papers regarding D2O and effects on proteins (specifically tubulin). So, I probably can point you to better reviews, or you can look at my delicious links here: http://delicious.com/skoch3...
- Steve Koch
comment={} Chemico-biological interactions, Vol. 117, No. 3. (12 February 1999), pp. 191-217. The topic of deuterium isotope effects is usually concerned with the effects on chemical reactions that are caused by the substitution of deuterium atoms for protium, or hydrogen, atoms in a molecule. These effects include changes in the rate of cleavage of covalent bonds to deuterium, or to an atom located adjacent to deuterium, in a reactant molecule. Deuterium isotope effects on other, noncovalent, interactions between molecules are known to occur, but they are generally considered to be insignificant, especially in biological experiments where deuterium substituted molecules are used as tracers. Noncovalent interactions between molecules include hydrogen bonding, and ionic and van der Waals interactions. This article reviews evidence for deuterium isotope effects on noncovalent interactions, with an emphasis on binding interactions between molecules of biological interest, but also...
- Steve Koch
I only read a few parts of this review, but I think it has some valuable parts, especially since Wade is trying to focus on reviewing isotope affects that are unlikely due to direct involvement of a deuterium bond in a chemical reaction. For example, effects on biomolecular interactions due to the differences in the solvent. There is a very interesting section which reviews some prior...
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- Steve Koch
Cited by the 2008 Fernandez single-molecule D2O paper. Sheu SY, Schlag EW, Selzle HL, Yang DY. "... Furthermore, water produces a very large change in the entropy of activation due to the hydrogen bond breakage, which affects the rate by as much as 2 orders of magnitude. We also observe that there is an entire ensemble of H-bond structures, rather than a single transition state, all of which contribute to this H-bond. Here the model is tested by changing to D2O as the surrounding medium resulting in a substantial solvent isotope effect. This demonstrates the important influence of the environment on the individual hydrogen bond."
- Steve Koch
Phys Rev Lett. 2008 Aug 8;101(6):065502. Epub 2008 Aug 6. Soper AK, Benmore CJ. The structures of heavy and light water at ambient conditions are investigated with the combined techniques of x-ray diffraction, neutron diffraction, and computer simulation. It is found that heavy water is a more structured liquid than light water. We find the OH bond length in H2O is approximately 3% longer than the OD bond length in D2O. This is a much larger change than current predictions. Corresponding to this, the hydrogen bond in light water is approximately 4% shorter than in heavy water, while the intermolecular HH distance is approximately 2% longer. PMID: 18764471
- Steve Koch
This is another version of mfold specifically designed for hybridizing oligos. I like it.
- Steve Koch
Pub Med: A single-molecule perspective on the role of solvent hydrogen bonds in protein folding and chemical reactions. - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed...
Dang, Looks like we were beat to the punch for some of our ideas! But at least it's not kinesin motility and it also shows that we're thinking of good experiments, because this is one of the best single-molecule groups out there. I don't have access to the paper but have requested it on ILL. "We present an array of force spectroscopy experiments that aim to identify the role of solvent hydrogen bonds in protein folding and chemical reactions at the single-molecule level. In our experiments we control the strength of hydrogen bonds in the solvent environment by substituting water (H(2)O) with deuterium oxide (D(2)O). Using a combination of force protocols, we demonstrate that protein unfolding, protein collapse, protein folding and a chemical reaction are affected in different ways by substituting H(2)O with D(2)O. We find that D(2)O molecules form an integral part of the unfolding transition structure of the immunoglobulin module of human cardiac titin, I27. .."
- Steve Koch
Got the PDF. I may put some quotes from it here. "In solution, hydrogen bonds are not rigid, but rather fluxional on a time scale of 50 ps.[12]" [12] 5.1. Sheu, E. W. Schlag, H. L. Selzle, D.Y. Yang, J. Phys. Chem. A 2008, 772, 797-802. I'd like to look at that paper.
- Steve Koch
Panda D, Chakrabarti G, Hudson J, Pigg K, Miller HP, Wilson L, Himes RH. The authors study the D2O suppression of many aspects of microtubule instability. For example, 89% D2O reduces the steady-state GTPase activity by 90%
- Steve Koch
Liang J, Fernández JM. "Single-molecule force-clamp spectroscopy offers a novel platform for mechanically denaturing proteins by applying a constant force to a polyprotein. A powerful emerging application of the technique is that, by introducing a disulfide bond in each protein module, the chemical kinetics of disulfide bond cleavage under different stretching forces can be probed at the single-bond level. Even at forces much lower than that which can rupture the chemical bond, the breaking of the S-S bond at the presence of various chemical reducing agents is significantly accelerated. Our previous work demonstrated that the rate of thiol/disulfide exchange reaction is force-dependent and well-described by an Arrhenius term of the form r = A(exp((FDeltax(r) - E(a))/k(B)T)[nucleophile]). From Arrhenius fits to the force dependency of the reduction rate, we measured the bond elongation parameter, ... PMID: 19572737
- Steve Koch
Naturally occurring deuterium is essential for the normal growth rate of cells... [FEBS Lett. 1993] - PubMed result - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov.li...
The role of naturally occurring D in living organisms has been examined by using deuterium-depleted water (30-40 ppm D) instead of water containing the natural abundance of D (150 ppm). The deuterium-depleted water significantly decreased the growth rate of the L929 fibroblast cell line, and also inhibited the tumor growth in xenotransplanted mice. Eighty days after transplantation in 10 (59%) out of 17 tumorous mice the tumor, after having grown, regressed and then disappeared. We suggest that the naturally occurring D has a central role in signal transduction involved in cell cycle regulation.
- Steve Koch
This is one of those papers you have to read (and while you're reading it, I'm patenting my deuterium-depletion filter for home use and sending the press release to the daily mail, national enquirer, and Oprah).
- Mr. Gunn
I haven't read it yet. Are you hinting that it's good or bad?
- Steve Koch
Not having read it, it could be that whatever they're doing to deplete the deuterium is leaving some harmful stuff in the water, and that certainly sounds more likely, but one would think the editorial process would weed out such obvious mistakes, but mistakes do happen and I've seen some crazy stuff come out of eastern european labs and the related articles are also all kinda obscure, but prions and transposons were once thought to be crazy fringe ideas too...
- Mr. Gunn
Well, you may be onto something. In methods, they say, "Deuterium-depleted water (30-40 ppm D) was obtained from tap water (150 ppm) by electrolysis," ... Seems a bit sketchy to use tap water, even in 1993. ... All that aside, I've been a quite surprised this weekend at how drastically D versus H can change the chemistry of things. I'd been inappropriately biased towards thinking the...
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- Steve Koch
Steve, could you give an example of a case where D versus H is known to change the chemistry? I, too, had (have) the bias you mention.
- mkz
@mkz, there're some general examples at wikipedia "kinetic isotope effect" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... ... There are also reports that heavy water tastes differently than H2O (can't find link now), which would most likely be chemistry (right?). The strong toxicity of heavy water to eukaryotic cells also argues for chemical effects. I guess I don't know the best example.
- Steve Koch
A grad student in our lab, Andy Maloney, did a kinesin motility assay in heavy water on Friday and saw an amazing array of cool effects (http://openwetware.org/wiki...) ... At this point, is tough to figure out the science, but it's nevertheless very exciting. One thing we want to try is to compare D2O to...
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- Steve Koch
Wow, I didn't know heavy water was toxic. I figured the vibrational spectra would change when you change the isotope, and guessed minor changes in molecular structure could similarly occur, but it seems the effects are much more pronounced than that.
- mkz
Those experiments look interesting! (Not that I know much about the field.) D2O versus H2(O18) sounds like an interesting experiment, too, hopefully we'll be able to follow the results here.
- mkz
I know, amazing, huh? (heavy water toxicity) The funny thing is I was thinking D2O would be a simpler way of probing water activity, compared with osmotic stress. Ha!
- Steve Koch
As for the experiments, Andy is an Open Notebook Science (ONS) practitioner, so all his results (as of now) will be available. It's actually been a conundrum for me this weekend as to whether or not to advertise his results. A good case study in ONS--on the one hand, I'm super-excited. On the other hand, we don't know what's going on, and I feel like he may prefer some time to figure some things out. Who knows? Glad you liked his experiments!
- Steve Koch
@mkz, I put some thoughts on Andy's notebook's "talk" page here: http://openwetware.org/wiki... I was amazed to find out they actually use D2O to stabilize proteins in vaccines.
- Steve Koch
It is indeed a good case study in ONS, I'm happy to hear the results will be available, but I'd understand if you guys changed your minds. I'm not sure how open I could bring myself to be when I make a discovery, waiting to be explained/utilized. Good luck with the project.
- mkz
Just looked at your comments, reading that page was fun (and heavy water ice sinks in water?--nice).
- mkz
Good night, and thanks for your thoughts!
- Steve Koch
Steve the videos on Andy's page you link to look awesome but I'm not sure I understand exactly what was done - is there a section with the experimental details or is that what you guys are debating whether or not to release?
- Jean-Claude Bradley
@Jean-Claude: What specifics would you like to know? I'm still in the process of making my experimental procedure available on OWW of which I will link to in my notebook. So, I apologize if things are still in disarray when it comes to the specifics of how I do things.
- Andy Maloney
There's no debate on releasing anything--all info is desired to be public. In fact, there's no debate at all except in my own mind--as to whether to specifically invite people to look at the results (which I did above) via a blog post or other. @Andy, I think what Jean-Claude is saying is that it's very much not evident what your experimental methods are, mostly because of the...
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- Steve Koch
Andy - I was looking for which materials and in what amounts were added at what times to understand the videos and the effect of the deuterium. I'm intrigued by the effect of isotopes in chemical processes and I think your experiments could yield valuable insight. We've also very briefly looked at the effect of deuteration on smell http://usefulchem.wikispaces.com/Exp218 because of the putative detection of molecular vibration in receptors
- Jean-Claude Bradley
It's worth noting that most commercial D2O is pretty filthy from a colloid chemistry perspective. Strictly speaking ultrafiltration or reverse osmosis is required to get to the kind of water quality one routinely expects these days for the normal stuff. But it's way too expensive to blow 10 L of D2O on getting a water purifier fully exchanged...
- Cameron Neylon
Jean-Claude: Yep, this is going to take a while to clean up and do what you ask. I'm really motivated right now to start an experiment so, I will have to come back to this later tonight. I'll let you know when I have a draft for a materials and procedure page.
- Andy Maloney
from a completely different perspective, then it wouldn't be a good idea to use a D20 moisture mist? The latest thing in cosmetics: http://snipurl.com/t0vih
- Mickey Schafer
@Jean-Claude, cool smell experiment! (Is row 2A mislabeled, or am I misreading?) I've been wanting to try some kind of isotopic smell thing ever since reading the Turin book.
- Steve Koch
@Cameron thanks for that tip. We're keeping it in mind now that the results could be attributable to contaminants. Question: It's definitely too expensive for us to think of doing that. But wouldn't Sigma be able to afford doing so?
- Steve Koch
Steve - thanks yest that was a mislabeling and it is fixed now - although note that (as indicated in the conclusion) the results in the table are not meaningful. Designing a statistically valid test like this is harder than it might seem and would require many more samples. The best I would hope from this experiment is to motivate a few more researchers to take a few minutes and sniff -...
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- Jean-Claude Bradley
Thanks Andy - I'm not asking to write a full report. It is probably enough to just post the experimental notes. In our lab that would correspond to the "log" section, whereas the full well formatted report is the "procedure" section to be written later. (e.g. http://onschallenge.wikispaces.com/Exp130 ). If that isn't how you keep track of experiments could you let me know what...
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- Jean-Claude Bradley
Hey Jean-Claude, Interesting smell reference in a review I'm reading: "2.5.1. Olfaction in fish. Hara [40] investigated the ability of the whitefish, Coregonus clupeaformis, to distinguish between the odor of glycine (Gly) and fully deuterated glycine (Gly-ds). Over the concentration range of 10^-8 to 10^-4 M, these fish avoided solutions of Gly-ds and preferred solutions of Gly." From:...
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- Steve Koch
Tubulin is an unstable protein when stored in solution and loses its ability to form microtubules rapidly. We have found that D2O stabilizes the protein against inactivation at both 4 and 37 degrees C....We suggest that the combination of D2O and DMSO, both stimulators of tubulin assembly, leads to the rapid production of nuclei that lead to the formation of ribbon structures rather than microtubules.
- Steve Koch
This is a really great paper, lots of evidence from various methods showing that tubulin is more stable in D2O. Plus that D2O dramatically changes the polymerization properties. Also there was this surprising sentence: "tudies of the effects of D2O on microtubules in vivo have been reported since 1935 (27)." I was pretty surprised to find out that people were studying D2O effects on the mitotic apparatus in 1935. On the other hand, maybe this isn't surprising...
- Steve Koch
This is one of those things where nobody would give you funding to investigate without lots of preliminary results
- Jean-Claude Bradley
Are you saying for the people who originally studied it? Or for our group? Or just lamenting the way science is funded?
- Steve Koch
comment={} Biochemistry, Vol. 38, No. 10. (9 March 1999), pp. 3067-3072. Tubulin is an unstable protein when stored in solution and loses its ability to form microtubules rapidly. We have found that D2O stabilizes the protein against inactivation at both 4 and 37 degrees C. In H2O-based buffer, tubulin was completely inactivated after 40 h at 4 degrees C, but in buffer prepared in D2O, no activity was lost after 54 h. Tubulin was completely inactivated at 37 degrees C in 8 h in H2O buffer, but only 20% of the activity was lost in D2O buffer. Tubulin also lost its colchicine binding activity at a slower rate in D2O. The deuterated solvent retarded an aggregation process that occurs during incubation at both temperatures. Inactivation in H2O buffer was partially reversed by transferring the protein to D2O buffer; however, aggregation was not reversed. The level of binding of BisANS, a probe of exposed hydrophobic sites in proteins, increases during the inactivation of tubulin. In D2O,...
- Steve Koch
"...In addition, D2O strongly suppressed the GTP hydrolysis rate of microtubules, but it had no effect on the initial rate of GTP hydrolysis of the FtsZ assembly. D2O (80%) also increased the helical content of FtsZ by 25% compared to the helical content of FtsZ in aqueous buffer. D2O was shown to reduce the binding of 4,4'-dianilino-1,1'-binaphthyl-5,5'-disulfonic acid (bis-ANS) to tubulin. In contrast, we found that D2O strongly enhanced the binding of bis-ANS to FtsZ. The results indicated that D2O promotes assembly and bundling of FtsZ protofilaments by increasing hydrophobic interactions between the protofilaments. The results also suggest that the phosphate release rather than the on-site GTP hydrolysis is the rate-limiting step of the GTP turnover reaction."
- Steve Koch
"The present study was aimed to elucidate the mechanism of stabilization of tubulin by deuterium oxide (D(2)O). Rate of decrease of tryptophan fluorescence during aging of tubulin at 4 degrees C and 37 degrees C was significantly lower in D(2)O than in H(2)O. Circular dichroism spectra of tubulin after incubation at 4 degrees C, suggested that complete stabilization of the secondary structure in D(2)O during the first 24 hours of incubation. The number of available cysteine measured by DTNB reaction was decreased to a lesser extent in D(2)O than in H(2)O. During the increase in temperature of tubulin, the rate of decrease of fluorescence at 335 nm and change of CD value at 222 nm was lesser in D(2)O. Differential Scanning calorimetric experiments showed that the T(m) values for tubulin unfolding in D(2)O were 58.6 degrees C and 62.17 degrees C, and in H(2)O those values were 55.4 degrees C and 59.35 degrees C."
- Steve Koch
"The topic of deuterium isotope effects is usually concerned with the effects on chemical reactions that are caused by the substitution of deuterium atoms for protium, or hydrogen, atoms in a molecule. These effects include changes in the rate of cleavage of covalent bonds to deuterium, or to an atom located adjacent to deuterium, in a reactant molecule. Deuterium isotope effects on other, noncovalent, interactions between molecules are known to occur, but they are generally considered to be insignificant, especially in biological experiments where deuterium substituted molecules are used as tracers. Noncovalent interactions between molecules include hydrogen bonding, and ionic and van der Waals interactions. This article reviews evidence for deuterium isotope effects on noncovalent interactions, with an emphasis on binding interactions between molecules of biological interest, but also including examples of nonbiological molecules in order to demonstrate the generality of these eff...
- Steve Koch
"The introduction of deuterium in place of protium in the hydrogenic sites of water, and its consequent exchange into some positions of enzymes and substrates, produces solvent isotope effects on the kinetic and equilibrium constants associated with the enzymic reaction. These effects, usually expressed as ratios of the appropriate constants in the two isotopic solvents HOH and DOD, are useful in the study of reaction mechanism...The purposes ofthe present article are: (a) to give the physicochemical background for the use of solvent isotope effects in biochemical studies, with fairly complete derivations of the requisite algebraic expressions, an account of underlying assumptions, and a review of pertinent experimental and theoretical information; (b) to outline workable procedures for carrying out experiments in this area; and (c) to present the apparatus for interpretation of the results."
- Steve Koch
Wow. There's a ton of information here. I have this PDF now from ILL. I am surprised, though, that keyword search for "viscosity" "diffusion" "diffusivity" doesn't get any hits. It's all about D2O exchanging with protium on molecules and changes to transitions states.
- Steve Koch
Cover of Paul Simon's train in the distance
- Steve Koch
"Everybody loves the sound of a grant in the distance...everybody thinks it's true."
- Steve Koch
youtube timer anxiety: I get really anxious at the end of youtube and other videos which show the time remaining. "There's no way this video will finish with only 5 seconds remaining!" But it somehow always does, exactly on time. Producers could save me a lot of stress if they'd pad their videos with 10 seconds of closing credits.
The exchange of deuterium for hydrogen in water often produces solvent kinetic isotope effects (KSIEs) on the rate constants associated with enzyme reactions, including those catalyzed by RNA.
- Steve Koch
codepad, linked by Richard Yeh on facebook. Tool for sharing and running code in a variety of languages. - http://codepad.org/tR3BjjqZ