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Steve Koch

Steve Koch

Experimental Biophysicist at the University of New Mexico, USA
Fascinating talk by Drew Endy at Chem Bio Defense S&T Conference
After thinking about it all day, I still think this is the best presentation I have ever seen, by far. Highly recommend seeing him give this talk if you have the chance. - Steve Koch
Steven on way back home to abq!
PLoS Pathogens: A Peer-Reviewed Open-Access Journal - http://www.plospathogens.org/rate...
Rated 5 Stars for Style. I know little about yeast or pathogens, but still found this article fascinating. I learned a lot from the well-written abstract, author summary, and introduction. Also, the authors take care in the results section to explain things such as synthetic lethal mutations and theories for general kinds of gene interactions, which I found very accessible to a non-expert. Links to tools such as FuncAssociate also helpful. And of course, the overall story of finding a mammalian pathway affected by the pathogen effector protein, starting with yeast studies is exciting. Kudos to the authors for a great paper. - Steve Koch
THE BIOLOGY OF HEAVY WATER. - http://www.citeulike.org/user...
Science (New York, N.Y.), Vol. 79, No. 2042. (16 February 1934), pp. 151-153. Gilbert Lewis - Steve Koch
Interesting thoughts from Lewis in his 1934 Science paper on biological effects of heavy water (relevant to the FEBS paper I read a couple weeks ago http://friendfeed.com/steveko...): "It is not inconceivable that heavy hydrogen, which exists in small amounts in all natural water, may actually be essential to some plants or animals. A... more... - Steve Koch
He also gave a significant amount of D2O to a mouse to drink. He wrote that he regretted the experiment because he wasted so much D2O without setting up the experiment to achieve maximum information. But he did get a little data: "During the course of three hours the mouse received, in three doses, a total of 0.54 g of 87 per cent. and 0.26 g of 71 per cent. heavy water, containinig... more... - Steve Koch
Naturally occurring deuterium is essential for the normal growth rate of cells... [FEBS Lett. 1993] - PubMed result - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov.li...
The role of naturally occurring D in living organisms has been examined by using deuterium-depleted water (30-40 ppm D) instead of water containing the natural abundance of D (150 ppm). The deuterium-depleted water significantly decreased the growth rate of the L929 fibroblast cell line, and also inhibited the tumor growth in xenotransplanted mice. Eighty days after transplantation in 10 (59%) out of 17 tumorous mice the tumor, after having grown, regressed and then disappeared. We suggest that the naturally occurring D has a central role in signal transduction involved in cell cycle regulation. - Steve Koch
This is one of those papers you have to read (and while you're reading it, I'm patenting my deuterium-depletion filter for home use and sending the press release to the daily mail, national enquirer, and Oprah). - Mr. Gunn
I haven't read it yet. Are you hinting that it's good or bad? - Steve Koch
Haven't read it yet either - Mr. Gunn
Not having read it, it could be that whatever they're doing to deplete the deuterium is leaving some harmful stuff in the water, and that certainly sounds more likely, but one would think the editorial process would weed out such obvious mistakes, but mistakes do happen and I've seen some crazy stuff come out of eastern european labs and the related articles are also all kinda obscure, but prions and transposons were once thought to be crazy fringe ideas too... - Mr. Gunn
Well, you may be onto something. In methods, they say, "Deuterium-depleted water (30-40 ppm D) was obtained from tap water (150 ppm) by electrolysis," ... Seems a bit sketchy to use tap water, even in 1993. ... All that aside, I've been a quite surprised this weekend at how drastically D versus H can change the chemistry of things. I'd been inappropriately biased towards thinking the... more... - Steve Koch
Steve, could you give an example of a case where D versus H is known to change the chemistry? I, too, had (have) the bias you mention. - mkz
@mkz, there're some general examples at wikipedia "kinetic isotope effect" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... ... There are also reports that heavy water tastes differently than H2O (can't find link now), which would most likely be chemistry (right?). The strong toxicity of heavy water to eukaryotic cells also argues for chemical effects. I guess I don't know the best example. - Steve Koch
A grad student in our lab, Andy Maloney, did a kinesin motility assay in heavy water on Friday and saw an amazing array of cool effects (http://openwetware.org/wiki...) ... At this point, is tough to figure out the science, but it's nevertheless very exciting. One thing we want to try is to compare D2O to... more... - Steve Koch
Wow, I didn't know heavy water was toxic. I figured the vibrational spectra would change when you change the isotope, and guessed minor changes in molecular structure could similarly occur, but it seems the effects are much more pronounced than that. - mkz
Those experiments look interesting! (Not that I know much about the field.) D2O versus H2(O18) sounds like an interesting experiment, too, hopefully we'll be able to follow the results here. - mkz
I know, amazing, huh? (heavy water toxicity) The funny thing is I was thinking D2O would be a simpler way of probing water activity, compared with osmotic stress. Ha! - Steve Koch
As for the experiments, Andy is an Open Notebook Science (ONS) practitioner, so all his results (as of now) will be available. It's actually been a conundrum for me this weekend as to whether or not to advertise his results. A good case study in ONS--on the one hand, I'm super-excited. On the other hand, we don't know what's going on, and I feel like he may prefer some time to figure some things out. Who knows? Glad you liked his experiments! - Steve Koch
@mkz, I put some thoughts on Andy's notebook's "talk" page here: http://openwetware.org/wiki... I was amazed to find out they actually use D2O to stabilize proteins in vaccines. - Steve Koch
It is indeed a good case study in ONS, I'm happy to hear the results will be available, but I'd understand if you guys changed your minds. I'm not sure how open I could bring myself to be when I make a discovery, waiting to be explained/utilized. Good luck with the project. - mkz
Just looked at your comments, reading that page was fun (and heavy water ice sinks in water?--nice). - mkz
Going to bed now, thanks for your comments. - mkz
Good night, and thanks for your thoughts! - Steve Koch
Steve the videos on Andy's page you link to look awesome but I'm not sure I understand exactly what was done - is there a section with the experimental details or is that what you guys are debating whether or not to release? - Jean-Claude Bradley
@Jean-Claude: What specifics would you like to know? I'm still in the process of making my experimental procedure available on OWW of which I will link to in my notebook. So, I apologize if things are still in disarray when it comes to the specifics of how I do things. - Andy Maloney
There's no debate on releasing anything--all info is desired to be public. In fact, there's no debate at all except in my own mind--as to whether to specifically invite people to look at the results (which I did above) via a blog post or other. @Andy, I think what Jean-Claude is saying is that it's very much not evident what your experimental methods are, mostly because of the... more... - Steve Koch
Andy - I was looking for which materials and in what amounts were added at what times to understand the videos and the effect of the deuterium. I'm intrigued by the effect of isotopes in chemical processes and I think your experiments could yield valuable insight. We've also very briefly looked at the effect of deuteration on smell http://usefulchem.wikispaces.com/Exp218 because of the putative detection of molecular vibration in receptors - Jean-Claude Bradley
It's worth noting that most commercial D2O is pretty filthy from a colloid chemistry perspective. Strictly speaking ultrafiltration or reverse osmosis is required to get to the kind of water quality one routinely expects these days for the normal stuff. But it's way too expensive to blow 10 L of D2O on getting a water purifier fully exchanged... - Cameron Neylon
Jean-Claude: Yep, this is going to take a while to clean up and do what you ask. I'm really motivated right now to start an experiment so, I will have to come back to this later tonight. I'll let you know when I have a draft for a materials and procedure page. - Andy Maloney
from a completely different perspective, then it wouldn't be a good idea to use a D20 moisture mist? The latest thing in cosmetics: http://snipurl.com/t0vih - Mickey Schafer
@Jean-Claude, cool smell experiment! (Is row 2A mislabeled, or am I misreading?) I've been wanting to try some kind of isotopic smell thing ever since reading the Turin book. - Steve Koch
@Cameron thanks for that tip. We're keeping it in mind now that the results could be attributable to contaminants. Question: It's definitely too expensive for us to think of doing that. But wouldn't Sigma be able to afford doing so? - Steve Koch
@Mickey: good find! - Steve Koch
Steve - thanks yest that was a mislabeling and it is fixed now - although note that (as indicated in the conclusion) the results in the table are not meaningful. Designing a statistically valid test like this is harder than it might seem and would require many more samples. The best I would hope from this experiment is to motivate a few more researchers to take a few minutes and sniff -... more... - Jean-Claude Bradley
Thanks Andy - I'm not asking to write a full report. It is probably enough to just post the experimental notes. In our lab that would correspond to the "log" section, whereas the full well formatted report is the "procedure" section to be written later. (e.g. http://onschallenge.wikispaces.com/Exp130 ). If that isn't how you keep track of experiments could you let me know what... more... - Jean-Claude Bradley
Hey Jean-Claude, Interesting smell reference in a review I'm reading: "2.5.1. Olfaction in fish. Hara [40] investigated the ability of the whitefish, Coregonus clupeaformis, to distinguish between the odor of glycine (Gly) and fully deuterated glycine (Gly-ds). Over the concentration range of 10^-8 to 10^-4 M, these fish avoided solutions of Gly-ds and preferred solutions of Gly." From:... more... - Steve Koch
Interesting thoughts from Lewis in his 1934 Science paper on biological effects of heavy water (relevant to the FEBS paper originally linked in this thread): "It is not inconceivable that heavy hydrogen, which exists in small amounts in all natural water, may actually be essential to some plants or animals. A supply of water almost completely freed from the heavy isotope is now being prepared for the purpose of conducting such studies." - Steve Koch
Off to Dallas. Thanks, KT for taking care of everyone!
Quantitative modeling and optimization of magnetic tweezers. - http://www.citeulike.org/user...
Biophysical journal, Vol. 96, No. 12. (17 June 2009), pp. 5040-5049. Magnetic tweezers are a powerful tool to manipulate single DNA or RNA molecules and to study nucleic acid-protein interactions in real time. Here, we have modeled the magnetic fields of permanent magnets in magnetic tweezers and computed the forces exerted on superparamagnetic beads from first principles. For simple, symmetric geometries the magnetic fields can be calculated semianalytically using the Biot-Savart law. For complicated geometries and in the presence of an iron yoke, we employ a finite-element three-dimensional PDE solver to numerically solve the magnetostatic problem. The theoretical predictions are in quantitative agreement with direct Hall-probe measurements of the magnetic field and with measurements of the force exerted on DNA-tethered beads. Using these predictive theories, we systematically explore the effects of magnet alignment, magnet spacing, magnet size, and of adding an iron yoke to the... - Steve Koch
THE SEPARATION AND PROPERTIES OF THE ISOTOPES OF HYDROGEN - http://www.citeulike.org/user...
Science, Vol. 78, No. 2034. (22 December 1933), pp. 566-571. Doesn't appear to have an abstract, but here is the second paragraph: "Since the heavier isotope of hydrogen was discovered about two years ago, some seventy-five papers and notes have been published dealing with its properties. It would be difficult to give an adequate review of the subject in the time available for this talk, and therefore I shall confine myself to a few topics which have interested us at Columbia, giving them in detail and referring only briefly to other interesting and valuable work. I shall discuss methods of separation and the properties of the hydrogens. The method of discovery is history now and need not be reviewed." HC Urey - Steve Koch
Good quote from the letter by Urey: "It is interesting to consider one obvious but easily overlooked difficulty in working with this water. It must be very hygroscopic. Hygroscopic water! This is really something new!" - Steve Koch
[EFFECT OF HEAVY WATER (D20) ON THE RESISTANCE OF PLANT AND ANIMAL CELLS, CELLULAR MODELS AND PROTEINS TO SOME DENATURATING ACTIONS.] - http://www.citeulike.org/user...
Tsitologiia, Vol. 6, No. 6. (c 1964), pp. 667-679. Abstract: In the literature there are data on the increase in the temperature of transition of native proteins to denaturated state when H2O is changed for D2O in the medium. It was of interest to learn whether D2O can produce a stabilizing effect on living cells. Results obtained from experiments on living cells, glycerized models and actomyosin allowed the following conclusion: Change of H2O for D2O in the medium increases heat resistance of Campanula persicifolia leaf epidermis cells, of ciliated cells of the frog palate mucosa and of glycerized models of ciliated cells as well as resistance of ATP-ase activity of actomyosin of frog's skeletal muscles. These results confirm data obtained by Deshcherevski and Kornienko (1964) concerning deuterization of frog muscles. Change of H2O for D2O increases high hydrostatic pressure resistance of Campanula persicifolia leaf epidermis cells, of the frog ciliated cells, and resistance of... - Steve Koch
[EFFECT OF D20 ON VITAL STAINING AND THERMOSTABILITY OF FROG SKELETAL MUSCLES.] - http://www.citeulike.org/user...
Biofizika, Vol. 9 (1964), pp. 315-320. Abstract: Dissected sartorius muscles from Rana temporaria were kept in Ringer's solution (without Na2CO3) for about 1 hour and then stained for 40 minutes at 18-19C in 0.02% neutral red diluted with Ringer's solution containing 50-90% D2O or with conventional Ringer's solution. Stain was extracted with acidified alcohol and the color measured in a photoelectric colorimeter. Muscles adsorbed less of the vital stain in D2O than in H2O, which indicates that D2O produces no paranecrotic changes in muscle tissue but increases stability of the intracellular structure. As measured by the minimum temperature at which the muscle began to contract, thermal stability of the contracting structure averaged 5.6[degree]C higher in 95% D2O than in H2O and was independent of the time for which the muscle had been kept in D2O. When placed in D2O at 38[degree]C, which is below the average thermal stability in D2O (41 [degree]C), muscles contracted only 1/15 as... - Steve Koch
On the Very Rapid Enhancement by D2O of the Temperature-Tolerance of Adult Drosophila - http://www.citeulike.org/user...
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America, Vol. 71, No. 2. (February 1974), pp. 540-543. Deuterium oxide, DO, increases the temperature-tolerance of when it is administered to adult flies as a sucrose solution. The effect is very rapidly exerted; it is detected within 10 min after the flies have a brief (10 min) opportunity to drink. This increased resistance to heat-death surely implies an increased resistance of macromolecules to thermal denaturation. DO is known to exert such an effect on protein solutions. The speed with which the increased stability develops clearly implicates a solvent action of DO, and is most easily understood if the effect is traceable to enhancement of the hydrophobic interactions which contribute to conformational stability. The increased strength of deuterated hydrogen bonds cannot be excluded however. The possible bearing of these results on the hypothesis that DO always increases the period of circadian oscillations... - Steve Koch
Pittendrigh & Cosbey in 1974 show that drinking 25% D2O for only 10 minutes confers heat tolerance onto fruit flies within 10 minutes. That is, they acquire heat tolerance very quickly. They attribute this to a solvent effect on protein stability, either through increase of the hydrophobic effect, increased strength of protein hydrogen bonds, or some other solvent effect. - Steve Koch
A Differential Effect of Heavy Water on Temperature-Dependent and Temperature-Compensated Aspects of the Circadian System of Drosophila pseudoobscura — PNAS - http://www.pnas.org/content...
1973 study of D2O on circadian rhythms. A good quote from introduction: "Many subsequent studies, the most important of which are those of Suter and Rawson (2) and Enright (3), indicate this effect of D20 is widespread: it lengthens r in unicellulars (1), green plants (4), isopods (3), insects (Caldarola, in preparation), birds (5, 6), mice, and hamsters (2, 5, 7, 8). The effect is clearly widespread and since no exceptions have been found in 12 cases, it is likely to be truly general. As several authors have noted, it therefore merits closer study as a potential clue to the physical nature of the cellular oscillation responsible for circadian rhythmicity." - Steve Koch
@Bora, here's one for you! - Steve Koch
This paper has a fantastic introduction that succinctly reviews all the ways in which deuterium can affect enzymatic properties. I haven't looked at any of the papers it cites, but the way in which they outline it is very much in line with what I've been thinking now. - Steve Koch
Oh yes, this one is a classic in the field. - Bora Zivkovic
Gotta like every drosi paper on FF :-) - Björn Brembs
Thanks for letting me know it's a classic, Bora! I'm not surprised, but on the other hand, it's only been cited 7 times this century...and 40 times over all...what's with that? - Steve Koch
Old paper in a small field. Very little was done since then on chemical influences - early on, people figured out that most chemicals and drugs did not affect the clock - except for heavy water and lithium. Thus they focused on other things - light, temperature, social entrainment, and later, of course, to figuring out the genetics and molecular biology. Only now some people are getting back to pharmaceuticals..... - Bora Zivkovic
Thanks, Bora! - Steve Koch
Refractive index of Heavy water, D2O [LIQUIDS] - RefractiveIndex.INFO - http://RefractiveIndex.INFORef...
The Refractive Index of H2H2O; The Refractive Index and Density of Solutions of H2H2O in H1H1O (Daniel Luten Physical Review 1934) - http://prola.aps.org/abstrac...
This looks like the best early reference for index of refraction data on mixtures of D2O / H2O. By Luten, who worked some with Lewis on heavy water at Berkeley. - Steve Koch
The Refractive Index of H2H2O; The Refractive Index and Density of Solutions of H2H2O in H1H1O - http://www.citeulike.org/user...
THE REFRACTIVE INDEX OF H2O18, AND THE COMPLETE ISOTOPIC ANALYSIS OF WATER - http://www.citeulike.org/user...
Homologous recombination in human cells using artificial restriction DNA cutter... [Chem Commun (Camb). 2009] - PubMed result - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov.li...
Show ability to cut a specific, single region of human genome. Probably an incredibly useful technology, related to what Cameron was telling us about last week. Linked to me by F1000 and reviewed there by Scott K Silverman - Steve Koch
@P212121 Yeah, they could probably teach our football team a lot.
Refractive Index of Gaseous Heavy Water (1934)--Nature, Clive Cuthbertson - http://www.nature.com/nature...
This is a half page letter to Nature in 1934, reporting measurements of the index of refraction of gaseous D2O as essentially the same as for gaseous H2O (light water). He says, "I hope to complete measurements of the refraction and dispersion and to publish the results before November." I am not sure if I'm interpreting the results correctly (or if they were later confirmed), but it seems to say that the refractive index of gaseous H2O and D2O are indistinguishable, wherease liquid D2O has a lower index than H2O (even lower than expected based on increased D2O molecular volume). Would this be explained by the stronger hydrogen bonding in D2O, and less polarizability because of that? This is a very incomplete thought. - Steve Koch
Actually, I found the later paper, and I think it has a different conclusion (http://www.jstor.org/stable...) . It's somewhat fascinating that Cuthbertson in 1936 does not cite his 1934 letter to Nature, which had an opposite conclusion (as far as I can tell). So that shit was going on, even way back then. Huh. - Steve Koch
Feynman has a cute derivation of the index of refraction of gases in vol. 1 of Lectures. It is a classical (non-quantum) derivation, but it still gives useful intuition about the way (n-1) scales with mass, charge and density, and the dependence on mass is like 1/m, consistent with what you say about D2O vs. H2O. Unfortunately his model of the gas consists of atoms with harmonically... more... - mkz
The refractive index of gaseous heavy water (Cuthbertson & Cuthbertson 1936) - http://rspa.royalsocietypublis...
Seems to confirm other measurements of liquid heavy water (Lewis and others). However, contradicts Cuthbertson 1934 letter to Nature, which is amazingly not cited here, or anywhere else. Seems a bit fishy. - Steve Koch
Do you think Nature would correct the online version if I wrote them a quick note saying the 1934 Nature letter by Cuthbertson was contradicted by the 1936 Royal Society letter by Cuthbertson and Cuthbertson? I doubt it. But it would have saved me a bit of thinking if they had already done that. - Steve Koch
Bibliography Of Research On Heavy Hydrogen Compounds (Internet Archive: Free Download) - http://www.archive.org/details...
A 1949 list of over 2000 references to "heavy hydrogen" (deuterium mostly, I think) research. I think resulting from end of Manhattan project. The PDF is searchable, and a quick search for "refractive" was productive for me, so I think it's probably useful. - Steve Koch
NIST (1984): "Thermophysical properties of fluid D2O" - http://www.nist.gov/srd...
I've just started reading this, but does look like a gold mine. Feel silly for not looking at NIST sooner. Here's a cool thing I just learned. There's such a thing as "Standard Mean Ocean Water" (SMOW). It's defined as: 0.999 842 mole fraction 1H; 0.000 158 2H; 0 3H; 0.997 640 16O; 0.000 371 17O; 0.001 989 18O ... SO: "pure heavy water" at least as NIST is concerned has more than 0.2% heterogeneity in oxygen isotopes! - Steve Koch
Actually, the introduction is great source of some background. However, rest of paper is heavily focused on very precise equations for various physics parameters of D2O. I don't see dielectric constant or index of refraction, though. - Steve Koch
Gilbert N. Lewis 1933 paper on "The biochemistry of water containing hydrogen isotope." (i.e., deuterium in D2O) - http://pubs.acs.org/doi...
Lewis writes, "Sir: Even before I had succeeded in concentrating the isotope of hydrogen, I predicted that H2H2O [D2O] would not support life and would be lethal to higher organisms. As soon as heavy water became available experiments to test this idea were begun, but it was necessary to choose an experiment which would require the minimum of biological technique and also very small quantities of water. The minute seeds of tobacco..." - Steve Koch
Every Lewis paper I have read in the past couple months is fantastic. This is a short but sweet paper that really has me excited about my kids' upcoming science fairs in a few years. - Steve Koch
Cute paper, kind of amusing this was realized so early, and it is still a surprise now to many people (including myself). I wonder how he made that prediction. - mkz
@mkz, I agree! I too was surprised. And it's even more amazing how he casually says "lethal to higher organisms." And it turns out that indeed it's more lethal to eukaryotic than prokaryotic cells. And I think actually more lethal to multicellular than unicellular. Where did he get that insight? Amazing. - Steve Koch
Physical Review (1932): "A Hydrogen Isotope of Mass 2" - http://prola.aps.org/abstrac...
Urey, Brickwedde, and Murphy. According to Lewis & Macdonald in 1933, this paper marked the discovery of deuterium. - Steve Koch
I'm actually sort of looking forward to the fact that I can enjoy Michigan's bowl victory over Florida for another year. Who cares about all those other streaks that are ending? It's going to be 3 years in a row now without losing a bowl game, which is high by Michigan standards.
"Living with my personal genome" by Jim Watson. Future Medicine - Personalized Medicine - 6(6):607 - Full Text - http://www.futuremedicine.com/doi...
From Johnathan Eisen's twitter: http://twitter.com/phyloge... - Steve Koch from Bookmarklet
Thanks, corrected - Steve Koch
YouTube - Obsessives: Soda Pop - CHOW.com - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Fun to watch someone so passionate and happy about his life work. From Daniel Lemire on friendfeed: http://friendfeed.com/lemire... - Steve Koch
FYI, I just drank 10 billion trillion atoms of deuterium.
Is now a good time to mention the myth about how D2O can cause neurological disorders. Its very popular amongst the neutron scattering community because we swim in the stuff. - Cameron Neylon
Sure! I haven't come across that myth yet. And not trying to be careless with my posts, I am just amused / intrigued by how much deuterium is in regular water. - Steve Koch
I think I dreamt this week about a study that showed that deuterium was actually important in a few biological processes :) - Egon Willighagen
Don't even get me started on the deuterium dreams I've been having lately :) - Steve Koch
2009 November Heavy Water Update - http://www.slideshare.net/skoch3...
2009 November Heavy Water Update
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