More time? ;-) currently away from proper connection but have some ideas mainly around making partial ons an easier choice
- Cameron Neylon
from Android
I think we want to keep any presentations brief and focus on discussion - but at minimum we should show different technical implementations of ONS - Wikispaces/GoogleSpreadsheets, OWW, LaBLog
- Jean-Claude Bradley
Agree with both of you. Should we use the ScienceOnline wiki to put up short agenda and see if anyone else contributes ideas?
- Steve Koch
Sure Steve add what you like - I think I put in something about the NaH oxidation as an intro for practical applications of ONS but we can flesh it out more. As I said I think your input on the IP implications is very valuable
- Jean-Claude Bradley
Cookies. You should bring cookies. (Translation for Cam: biscuits.) :-)
- Bill Hooker
After reading Jean-Claude Bradley's paper, SMIRP-A Systems Approach to Laboratory Automation, I got inspired to post it in my notebook since it definitely does not fit into the standard article format. So, I "offer access to data which may not be publishable because it does not fit into a sufficiently integrated format".
- Andy Maloney
Andy - of course you know I think it is a good idea for you to do that :) You just never know what new contacts you'll find by making your work discoverable on Google. That was a key reason for moving away from the password protected closed SMIRP system to public wikis. As an example of how small a world it is I was exposed to the Schlieren microscopy technique when I collaborated with...
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- Jean-Claude Bradley
I find your study of the effect of ultrasound on lipid membranes particularly interesting as well since I spent a good deal of time as a postdoc trying to manipulate giant vesicles with electric fields http://dx.doi.org/10...
- Jean-Claude Bradley
Took a look at your giant vesicles paper, Jean-Claude. Found it really interesting. I don't know much about lipids/liposomes, so I found it surprising how many authors I recognized cited in your introduction: Needham, Gaub, Sackmann, Astumian, ... So, a lot of overlap with single-molecule manipulation and force spectrosopy field (probably through biomembrane force probes, magnetic...
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- Steve Koch
small world Steve - some things are easier to do with vesicles than monolayers - another tool to keep in mind
- Jean-Claude Bradley
Langmuir, Vol. 13, No. 9. (1 April 1997), pp. 2457-2462. The concept of toposelectively modified vesicles (toposomes) is presented. The application of an electric field vector constitutes a method by which these objects can be created. The effect of millisecond electric field pulses on giant (10200 mum) vesicles composed of either one of two polymerizable lipids was studied in the unpolymerized and partially polymerized states. It was found that the behavior of the vesicles depended strongly on the fluidity of the membrane. For N,N-dimethyl-N,N-bis[2-(tetradeca-2,4-trans,trans-dienoyl)oxyethyl]ammonium bromide (C-14, Tm = 20.5 oC) in the unpolymerized state, large (several microns) hole formation was observed in the direction of one of the electrodes followed by resealing. In the partially polymerized state, a similar puncturing was observed, but instead of resealing, the hole remained stable for 90 s. For N,N-dimethyl-N,N-bis[2-(octadeca-2,4-trans,trans-dienoyl)oxyethyl]ammonium...
- Steve Koch
Jean-Claude linked to this article on 'Andy's ultrasound / liposome thread':http://friendfeed.com/andymal... . Interesting paper on being able to create relatively stable pores in giant vessicles at specific locations using electric field pulses. Read the introduction but only skimmed the rest.
- Steve Koch
FINALLY was able to log in to the wiki with openID...couldn't get it to work multiple days / tried with firefox. Then (and I know this is the unthinkable to many of you), I tried IE and it worked first try. Going back to firefox, was able to login with openID. Not sure what that was all about. Perhaps a broken cookie?
- Steve Koch
Yes, had problems with cookies on Firefox and having things take forever to time out. Flushing the cache usually works but then you lose all the memory of what you've done and where you've been...
- Cameron Neylon
Probably the best open notebook lab entry I've ever seen in Junior Lab. Kudos to Alexandra S. Andrego and Anastasia A. Ierides! - http://openwetware.org/wiki...
All of their notebook entries were outstanding. This was their final lab, and they still had the energy to keep up the excellent work. Definitely very strong talents for this sort of thing--willing to spend the energy on taking the photos and writing the detailed descriptions of methods.
- Steve Koch
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They do have a factor of 2 error somewhere, but I really don't care very much :)
- Steve Koch
That's one of the strengths of an Open notebook: such errors won't survive very long! :-)
- Bill Hooker
ditto Bill - since the results are linked to raw data errors are far less dangerous than traditional publication, where you pretty much have to trust that the authors did not make any mistakes
- Jean-Claude Bradley
Open Notebook Science in undergraduate education. A former student in our ONS class is linking to his notebook in his graduate school applications. - http://openwetware.org/wiki...
Another example of a good unintended consequence of using ONS in undergraduate lab courses. He is a star student and did outstanding work. Clearly has a successful research career ahead of him. It's only anecdotal evidence, but I have to think that the fact that he's linking to his ONS coursework means that he's likely to be more open with his future research (when he's able to).
- Steve Koch
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@Steve... indeed... but soon he'll realize that Open Collaboration in a world where everyone is closed is not so easy... we're chem/bio informaticians are in a luxury situation in that respect...
- Egon Willighagen
Just out of curiosity, Steve, what kind of guidance did the student receive in terms of the writing itself? I like his style -- energetic (stylistically, this means he writes in mostly active sentences, uses passive correctly yet more sparingly than is typical in published scientific prose), confident (a stylistic result of grammar and vocab choice: in this case, few hedge words used...
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- Mickey Schafer
Great! It is an easy way to stand out from the competition - especially if your work is high quality
- Jean-Claude Bradley
@Mickey I'm guessing you were looking at his "final" formal report on electron diffraction. I think the short answer is that my guidance had little impact on his good writing. You can see his rough draft (http://openwetware.org/wiki...) along with my comments at that time in the margins. I do try to push the students to write in an ill-defined...
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- Steve Koch
@Egon, I do spend a lot of time talking with the students about the reality of scientific practice as it stands today. In fact, I tell them, something like, "if you continue in research, you're more than likely going to have to practice closed science. And you may even have to write things down by hand in a paper notebook! Having been through this class is going to make you hate that...
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- Steve Koch
The quote I use with my senior undergrads doing thesis writing with me: ""For those who reach maturity with their natural curiosity intact and enhanced by education, the joy of discovery is a strong driver of success. The joy of research, however, can be fleeting or at best fickle." --W. Franklin Gilmore, President Sigma Xi
- Mickey Schafer
Steve, Egon -- I guess it's true that most science is still practiced in a closed fashion, but my feelings about whether students should be exposed to the idea has changed a lot during the last year. Now, I think it's sort of mandatory that at least one person explain the option (along with OA as a publishing strategy) b/c I think it is this generation that will have to make...
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- Mickey Schafer
Steve - I think your guidance is right on track. Those who are learning to work openly (to whatever degree) are at a significant advantage for finding positions with groups who value that approach - but they are also qualified for traditional "closed" positions with the added benefit of being able to show their potential future employer what they are capable of doing in their public...
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- Jean-Claude Bradley
@Michael: John Callow (an undergraduate math and physics major at UNM) developed a really interesting algorithm for analyzing his Millikan data that I hadn't seen before. I thought I'd point it out to you because (a) it's interesting and (b) I wondered if you'd seen this kind of analysis done in some other area of math or science. I'm linking to his final report...if you want to take a look, you can scroll down to the "algorithm for finding most likely value of e" section.
- Steve Koch
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Here's the algorithm in a nutshell: For a given hypothetical value of "e," he calculates how many charges each droplet has (a fractional number). He then calculates the total squared distance from the nearest integers to all of these values. The lower the total distance, the better the fit. This leads to a wildly fluctuating function (see above left), but it turns out that the global minimum produces the "correct" value of e!
- Steve Koch
Clever. I've never seen anything quite like it. I do know of cases where people use the fact that something's an integer in a clever way; e.g., if you can bound 1.2 < x < 2.7 and you know x is an integer, then x = 2. (Come to think of it, I have a paper where we did something like that. All cleverness due to a couple of my coauthors, though!) But this is very different!
- Michael Nielsen
Thanks for the feedback, Michael! I agree it's very clever. I'll let John know to look up your paper. I know he's in the midst of a topology take-home final, so I probably shouldn't bother him with too much right now :)
- Steve Koch
Oh, definitely no need for him to look up the paper, the trick I mentioned is used pretty often, and I'll bet it was first used hundreds of years ago. What he's done is much more interesting and orginal!
- Michael Nielsen
FF doesn't meet all your requirements but it does seem to work well compared to the specialized services - at least in some fields
- Jean-Claude Bradley
Well I guess that's not surprising given my biases - at some level I'm more interested in what people think I've missed than my own predjudices though. FWIW I think a clever combination of DropBox, FriendFeed and some of the elements from StackOverflow, with perhaps a bit of the coordination ability of posterous would go very close to the mark. Still need better network and filter management tools though - somehow they need more configurability but less configuration...
- Cameron Neylon
OpenWetWare is looking to make a major overhaul in the next couple months, and has a bit over 1 year of funding left. I feel like this is an opportunity to at least try to do some of the things that most people think are necessary for SS4S. Not perfect, but better so that we'd have a better idea of what is really needed. I think the time frame (now; already funded) makes "not perfect" a...
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- Steve Koch
I really like what you said in point 10. It's something that I've seen far too many scientists being cavalier about. Federation, open protocols and specifications, along with open source, are very important to science.
- Christopher Granade
Might be worth seeing how far sourceforge meets your criteria. Certainly it's totally based around objects, i.e. software projects, and there are lots of high quality open source science projects whose code is hosted there. Although it has community/social networking tools I've personally never really used these and most visits I've had to sf have either been fleeting (to download...
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- Dan Hagon
Steve, absolutely we need to keep evolving with the resources available. OWW is a great place to do that.
- Cameron Neylon
Dan, there was a conversation around using Github in a similar way some months ago and I think these things have a lot of potential as a back end. I think federation is important enough that you'd want to use a DVCS rather than SVN as a back end though.
- Cameron Neylon
Sourceforge has several DVCS options in addition to svn these days. Although github is great I would be wary of anything that requires scientists to learn the intricacies of git. hg and bzr are much more friendly to non-developer types that don't need the full flexibility of git. I've had some success using them to collaboratively author LaTeX documents.
- Matt Leifer
Matt, ok, I'm behind the times (nothing new there!). The intracies are less of an issue as this would only be a back end. No SS4S that any significant proportion of scientists use is going to look _anything_ like a code repository. To start with your average scientist is never going to touch a command line. If you're dealing in Latex you're already talking about a minority I'm afraid....
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- Cameron Neylon
There are several wikis that use DVCS as a backend. This could be a starting point for developing the type of thing you are interested in.
- Matt Leifer
LaTeX isn't the minority in whole areas of math, CS, physics....I guess that brings up the same old complaint: "science" is defined as all biomed, all the time. I'll try to come up with some more substantive comments though
- Christina Pikas
Christina, didn't mean to say it should be excluded just that a non-command line system is non-negotiable so most online VCS aren't going to be good enough as a front end. Support for Word, Excel, video, images, XML and Latex are all non-negotiable characteristics of any such system.
- Cameron Neylon
Matt, not sure that a wiki is the right starting point - the document model doesn't seem right to me, although I'm way behind on the most recent developments in Wikis so I may be out of date on that as well. What is in my head is a DVCS back end with APIs providing access from e.g document authoring systems, databases, publishers, whatever. A feed system that looks a bit like friendfeed...
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- Cameron Neylon
I wasn't suggesting actually using one of the wikis, just that they have already done a reasonable job of abstracting the version control functionality (in fact, some of them support more than on DVCS in this way) so there may be some things in the codebase that are useful. It is also an example of taking a command-line DVCS and giving it a more user friendly interface. In addition, if...
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- Matt Leifer
Ah good to know - which do you think are the best examples of these wikis? I should take a look. In any case at this stage I'm just throwing ideas out. Have no resource to actually a build anything at moment.
- Cameron Neylon
Is there actually a need for social software for scientists? Or should scientists use and customize the existing social networking tools (FriendFeed, Facebook, LinkedIn, etc.)?
- Martin Fenner
I'm beginning to think the main issue will be that business models for consumers services are incompatible with what researchers need. So yes, customise might be better than build but if we have to go down that route we may as well have a good idea of whats required. One person's customisation is another person's build.
- Cameron Neylon
I'd be curious what you think of HubZero, Cameron.
- D0r0th34
Depends a bit on server setup. For Mercurial I like Hatta, but it requires persistent python processes, i.e. no good for most shared hosts that only allow CGI. There is a list of RCS backed wikis here: http://hatta.sheep.art.pl/Similar projects
- Matt Leifer
Cameron, I love and absolutely agree with the necessity of "scientific objects". If you lack those, then (as Martin points out) just use the general purpose sites. In that principle, I think there are some viable networks -- DVCS systems around scientific code, Mendeley around scientific publications, (eventually our BioGPS around genes). But I think we should be developing specific networks appealing to specific groups of researchers, rather than trying to serve the needs of all scientists...
- Andrew Su
Andrew agreed, but if these are federated then they can all still talk to each other. I'm thinking more framework than site or single service. Ideally all of these things can be plugged in or wired up together...my concern with general purpose sites is primarily that they don't provide the level of trust and stability that we would expect for "research enterprise"
- Cameron Neylon
Just one comment. There are protocols out there that allow different social networks to talk to each other. There are protocols out there that allow web resources to talk to each other. It's not really that hard if everyone supports some basic standards. RESTful API's, OAuth, OpeniD/Facebook Connect/Friend Connect, etc. IMO what's more important is that any sites we design have the...
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- Deepak Singh
@D only really had a chance to have a quick look. First impressions are that it is very slick but looks as though everything has to be on the inside - I don't see much mention of pulling stuff in and out. The multimedia talks are nice but why not pull them in from e.g. slideshare to pick an example.
- Cameron Neylon
completely agreed, federation through standards...
- Andrew Su
Twitter is far from perfect, but look at the infrastructure that has evolved around it e.g. 3rd party apps, services). You don't get that kind of traction around a social networking site just for scientists. Imagine what email or the WWW would look like if there were separate versions just for scientists.
- Martin Fenner
from iPhone
Absolutely but that actually means we can build something better, and as long as it hooks into Twitter (RSS/OAuth...Deepak's list basically) we get all the benefits and all of the functionality we want - as well as a way of drawing people in. Assuming this framework is any good of course. Imagine PubMed if it had been built for the consumer web (actually maybe not such a good example...
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- Cameron Neylon
Sort of responding to Deepak a few comments earlier. Something like a social network is useful for at least one reason: recruiting scientists who aren't ready for open science, or cannot communicate openly for one reason or another. So, a reasonably secure way of making data private and shared with a limited network is a good thing, I think. I think ultimately that will lead to much more open science (my own lab started out with a private wiki before doing ONS)...
- Steve Koch
Steve, but does it have to be a social network per se, or a site for say sequencing geeks (I am looking at you SeqAnswers) with the appropriate features built in. Social networks don't have to be all in the open. Facebook is a social network. 90% of my communication on there is private and you should see how much of my Twitter usage is DM's
- Deepak Singh
Deepak, I think I was just using terminology incorrectly. I was assuming Facebook = social networking.
- Steve Koch
This is a notebook entry of mine that is trying to use an "atomistic" approach that links recipes I use to run the experiment. http://www.openwetware.org/wiki...
I understand that the context will be lost without more introduction but I'm still constructing the how and why I do experiments for each notebook entry. Hopefully this will generate a template for my notebook entries that will allow anyone to be able to reproduce what I do if they want.
- Andy Maloney
(My comment on your notebook page): Oh man, I'm dying to know the answer!!! Larry and I discussed possibilities of making his tracking software output a velocity, so that you could manually find out these kinds of answers in a matter of minutes. Not sure how long it will take him to do that. The long-term answer of how to fully automate everything is still a puzzle. Also, in terms of...
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- Steve Koch
Steve's point about instances is a good one here. Let's say the anomaly turns out to (perhaps) be connected to a specific bottle of D2O which is (say) contaminated with magnesium or something. I think the key point about "atomistic" approaches is that whatever the implementation, as far as possible the user shouldn't have to worry about creating the atoms - it should be done for them....
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- Cameron Neylon
That certainly makes it a lot clearer Andy. So what you are saying is that your protocols are so standard that you never vary anything? In our work that just doesn't happen - but it would be nice if it did :) Maybe I missed it but what is the type of microscope you are using and what is the magnification?
- Jean-Claude Bradley
To follow up on Cameron's point we did try to modularize at one point but from a practical standpoint we were never able to do so without removing too much information necessary to understand exactly what happened in each experiment http://usefulchem.blogspot.com/2008...
- Jean-Claude Bradley
Andy I don't know how deep you want to get into the concept of an experiment as an instance of a protocol but you might find some useful info and refs here (from the dark ages of closed notebook science) http://www.jalajournal.com/article...
- Jean-Claude Bradley
Yep, and the message to me is that with an atomistic approach it either all has to happen automatically while you're writing a higher level description or you have to accept that you end up doing both (the high level and the low level description). The atomistic/modular approach fails faster in JC's lab I believe because experiments are more clearly defined than in our work. Because our...
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- Cameron Neylon
JCB: I've tried very hard to make the setup for experiments mind numbingly simple and repetitive. So yes, my standards are all the same. I find this makes my life easier because I don't have to think about the setup, I just do it. This leaves me time to think creatively about what I am doing and what I want to look at in an experiment. It also works when something goes wrong. I can easily back track to find mistakes if I make everything the same.
- Andy Maloney
JCB: I have not made a page for the microscope setup yet. I actually completely forgot to do that so thank you for reminding me. Just for right now, I'm using an Olympus IX71 microscope with a 60x objective and a rhodamine filter cube that has filters from Chroma.
- Andy Maloney
CN: I'm not 100% sure but I think I have done this "low level" description with a very crude "high level" description in my most recent notebook. Or, at least I'm starting to implement it. There is still a lot of low level stuff that I need to make, such as the suggestion from Jean-Claude about making a page describing my microscope setup, so it's still a work in progress. It would be...
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- Andy Maloney
There's an interesting point around these cases where you "always do the same thing" its a classic case of tacit knowledge. Even if you were forced to write it down you'd probably miss the one thing that three weeks/months down the line you wish you knew. I suspect its a good case for just videoing proceedings, or having a tape of the user just narrating what is happening along with a timestamp
- Cameron Neylon
Hi, Andy. So first, let me clarify that I could in no way intelligently comment on the science itself. I'm looking at the page simply as a reader, and with the intent being to use such pages as examples to undergrads of what is meant by "open science". What I am curious about from a reader's point of view is whether the notebook has the "significance" or "research question" stuff...
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- Mickey Schafer
BTW, one of the things I really like about the OWW, and other wiki-like objects, is that I can use Diigo to take notes. Diigo cannot see inside .pdfs and some kinds of html, so it's neat to be able to use it here.
- Mickey Schafer
Andy, I suspect that's exactly what you're doing - and don't take any of this as a criticism or even an expectation that you shoudl dall all of this stuff. No-one does this perfectly and its interesting just to have a good example to talk about that is different to what's gone before. The problem as I see it is that this record is serving all sorts of different purposes to different...
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- Cameron Neylon
To get funded, aren't there narrative portions of grant applications? Those would funnel nicely into a lab's OWW page, with the projects doing the work branching off without the need for further explanation. Or, since OWW hosts blogs, that would be another option, though one that might require more upkeep than is ideal.
- Mickey Schafer
Also, Andy, just in case, I want to chime in with Cameron that I meant no criticism at all. Rather, I was visualizing a future class, where I bring this up, and one of my generally brilliant neurosci students asks "And what is the project all about?" especially b/c I've been harping at them to be able to explain their own work. And I, of course, would have no intelligent -- or even unintelligent -- answer to give!
- Mickey Schafer
Mickey: Writing down the broad context of this experiment is a big thing that I need to do. It would be nice to have a purpose spelled out for each new experiment, and relate that purpose to an old experiment. That way, there is a sort of logical evolution behind what is being done, not to mention the broad picture as well. Ultimately, I'm hoping that what I write in OWW will be the...
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- Andy Maloney
Mickey & Cameron: No worries about criticism since it is all constructive. Actually, I encourage it because it has made me think more deeply into what I want my notebook to look like and how other people can read/will it.
- Andy Maloney
Open objects take on a life of their own -- or something like that. I need to figure out a way to say it, but I think it's rooted in Cameron's observation that readers will bring so many different needs. The creator is not responsible for answering all those needs, but it is helpful, IMO, to have a stage like what you're going through where we all get to see what happens when open...
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- Mickey Schafer
Mickey the grant is a good start when one exists and it bears some resemblance to reality. But these are the case much less often than you might think
- Cameron Neylon
from Android
Andy thanks for the info on the microscope - how does that translate into a scale bar in the image? You'll probably need that when it comes time to publish. It wasn't clear to me what you were saying about how you handle changes in the protocols - if you find an error or make a small improvement will you just create a new protocol page on the wiki and link to that? You can't edit your current protocol page because it would misrepresent what you did in older experiments that link to it.
- Jean-Claude Bradley
Jean-Claude, it's an imperfect system now, because it takes a lot of clicks to create instances of things (as discussed above). However, in terms of preserving information, the "history" feature of wikis is nice. Andy and I discussed whether we can create a system that makes it very easy to link to the "permalink" for a protocol. That way, if the page evolves, the lab notebook will...
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- Steve Koch
Steve - I guess you would have to make it clear to a naive user that they must check the wiki history when they click the link for the protocol. But doing it that way how could you add more detail to an old protocol - whenever I read a lab notebook I'm thinking - is there enough information to publish without needing to contact the student? - so more details get added to our experiment pages over time. The other issue is wiki pages in the history don't get archived on Google.
- Jean-Claude Bradley
Steve - what you are talking about reminds me of the "snapshot" approach we are trying to use. Where an archive contains a copy of every document as it existed on that day. Andy Lang has already written some code for this - if you want it could be modified slightly to work on any similar systems: http://onsarchive.wikispaces.com/
- Jean-Claude Bradley
I don't know if it actually has higher concentration of deuterium (or 18-O) (or 3-H for that matter) than does regular Vodka. But it does sound delicious.
- Steve Koch
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yeah ... I never thought about fake structures. I wonder how exactly was fake about them.
- Pedro Beltrao
Built a plausible homology model and shake a bit I would guess...you know of course what will happen now when we discover someone has faked genomics/proteomics data? Omics-gate! The two most overused cliches in media and science finally united together!
- Cameron Neylon
thanks Steve .. at quick glance the common name seams to be last author in many of the papers ... that is even weirder.
- Pedro Beltrao
A posting Kevin Karplus to the pdb-l (possibly) expanding the list to 1bgx 1ay1 1hef 1heg 1sbg 1hps 1hos. Also, it seems that RosettaHoles which assesses core packing did not like 1bgx (it's in the RosettaHoles paper, linked from Kevin's posting. https://lists.sdsc.edu/piperma...
- Iddo Friedberg
From the RosettaHole paper (published online 2-DEC-2008): "Eight of the outliers, (checking for anomalous core packing, IF) (PDB codes 2A01, 1BEF, 1RID, 1Y8E, 1BGX, 1G44, 2QID, 1G40) are from the Murthy group.[9]"
- Iddo Friedberg
What is strangest to me about this story is how did a supervisor get all the other authors to go with the fake results ?
- Pedro Beltrao
This is my review of a recent PLoS ONE article I read. I think people on FriendFeed will be most interested by how well the PLoS commenting system worked for me. I love it! Also, this is my first stab at a "Research Blogging" post, and if you're interested in microtubules, the results of the paper are pretty interesting.
- Steve Koch
from Bookmarklet
All STM publishers everywhere please take note, this is the way it's supposed to work in the 21st C: any journal that does not have this functionality is a glamor magazine, not an instrument of scientific communication. Reading Steve's post gives me a happy that I don't think I can describe in words.
- Bill Hooker
Abstract: The EMBO journal (5 November 2009) The motor protein kinesin has two heads and walks along microtubules processively using energy derived from ATP. However, how kinesin heads are coordinated to generate processive movement remains elusive. Here we created a hybrid nanomachine (DNA-kinesin) using DNA as the skeletal structure and kinesin as the functional module. Single molecule imaging of DNA-kinesin hybrid allowed us to evaluate the effects of both connect position of the heads (N, C-terminal or Mid position) and sub-nanometer changes in the distance between the two heads on motility. Our results show that although the native structure of kinesin is not essential for processive movement, it is the most efficient. Furthermore, forward bias by the power stroke of the neck linker, a 13-amino-acid chain positioned at the C-terminus of the head, and internal strain applied to the rear of the head through the neck linker are crucial for the processive movement. Results also show that the...
- Steve Koch
This is a fascinating paper by Miyazono, Hayashi, Karagiannis, Harada, and Tadakuma. There is a lot of information in the paper, and it is a system that is completely new to me, so it's going to take me a lot more reading time to fully understand their constructs and the results. So, at this point, I can only give a cursory summary. The paper is investigating the same issues as 'Yildiz...
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- Steve Koch
The EMBO journal (5 November 2009) The motor protein kinesin has two heads and walks along microtubules processively using energy derived from ATP. However, how kinesin heads are coordinated to generate processive movement remains elusive. Here we created a hybrid nanomachine (DNA-kinesin) using DNA as the skeletal structure and kinesin as the functional module. Single molecule imaging of DNA-kinesin hybrid allowed us to evaluate the effects of both connect position of the heads (N, C-terminal or Mid position) and sub-nanometer changes in the distance between the two heads on motility. Our results show that although the native structure of kinesin is not essential for processive movement, it is the most efficient. Furthermore, forward bias by the power stroke of the neck linker, a 13-amino-acid chain positioned at the C-terminus of the head, and internal strain applied to the rear of the head through the neck linker are crucial for the processive movement. Results also show that the...
- Steve Koch
This is a fascinating paper by Miyazono, Hayashi, Karagiannis, Harada, and Tadakuma. There is a lot of information in the paper, and it is a system that is completely new to me, so it's going to take me a lot more reading time to fully understand their constructs and the results. So, at this point, I can only give a cursory summary. The paper is investigating the same issues as 'Yildiz...
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- Steve Koch
Fwd: Strain through the neck linker ensures processive runs: a DNA-kinesin hybrid nanomachine study... [EMBO J. 2009] - PubMed result - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed... (via...
Partial abstract: The motor protein kinesin has two heads and walks along microtubules processively using energy derived from ATP. However, how kinesin heads are coordinated to generate processive movement remains elusive. Here we created a hybrid nanomachine (DNA-kinesin) using DNA as the skeletal structure and kinesin as the functional module. Single molecule imaging of DNA-kinesin hybrid allowed us to evaluate the effects of both connect position of the heads (N, C-terminal or Mid position) and sub-nanometer changes in the distance between the two heads on motility. Our results show that although the native structure of kinesin is not essential for processive movement, it is the most efficient. Furthermore, forward bias by the power stroke of the neck linker, a 13-amino-acid chain positioned at the C-terminus of the head, and internal strain applied to the rear of the head through the neck linker are crucial for the processive movement. Results also show that the internal strain coordinates both ...
- Steve Koch
Abstract: Kinesin advances 8 nm along a microtubule per ATP hydrolyzed, but the mechanism responsible for coordinating the enzymatic cycles of kinesin's two identical motor domains remains unresolved. Here, we have tested whether such coordination is mediated by intramolecular tension generated by the "neck linkers," mechanical elements that span between the motor domains. When tension is reduced by extending the neck linkers with artificial peptides, the coupling between ATP hydrolysis and forward stepping is impaired and motor's velocity decreases as a consequence. However, speed recovers to nearly normal levels when external tension is applied by an optical trap. Remarkably, external load also induces bidirectional stepping of an immotile kinesin that lacks its mechanical element (neck linker) and fuel (ATP). Our results indicate that the kinesin motor domain senses and responds to strain in a manner that facilitates its plus-end-directed stepping and communication between its two motor domains.
- Steve Koch
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This is an article by Yildiz, Tomishige, Gennerich, and Vale where they carry out two important studies of dimeric human kinesin-1. First, they systematically change the length between the two kinesin heads by adding in proline residues between the neck linker and the coiled-coil. They show a number of interesting results from these constructs. First, the processivity (in terms of...
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Strain through the neck linker ensures processive runs: a DNA-kinesin hybrid nanomachine study... [EMBO J. 2009] - PubMed result - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed...
The motor protein kinesin has two heads and walks along microtubules processively using energy derived from ATP. However, how kinesin heads are coordinated to generate processive movement remains elusive. Here we created a hybrid nanomachine (DNA-kinesin) using DNA as the skeletal structure and kinesin as the functional module. Single molecule imaging of DNA-kinesin hybrid allowed us to evaluate the effects of both connect position of the heads (N, C-terminal or Mid position) and sub-nanometer changes in the distance between the two heads on motility. Our results show that although the native structure of kinesin is not essential for processive movement, it is the most efficient. Furthermore, forward bias by the power stroke of the neck linker, a 13-amino-acid chain positioned at the C-terminus of the head, and internal strain applied to the rear of the head through the neck linker are crucial for the processive movement. Results also show that the internal strain coordinates both ...
- Steve Koch
comment = {Found via another user's citeulike posting (http://www.citeulike.org/user...). Have only read the abstract. Interesting to note that heavy water stiffens proteins relative to normal water.} Biophys. J., Vol. 82, No. 6. (1 June 2002), pp. 3246-3253. The effects of heavy water (D2O) on internal dynamics of proteins were assessed by both the intrinsic phosphorescence lifetime of deeply buried Trp residues, which reports on the local structure about the triplet probe, and the bimolecular acrylamide phosphorescence quenching rate constant that is a measure of the average acrylamide diffusion coefficient through the macromolecule. The results obtained with several protein systems (ribonuclease T1, superoxide dismutase, [beta]-lactoglobulin, liver alcohol dehydrogenase, alkaline phosphatase, and apo- and Cd-azurin) demonstrate that in most cases D2O does significantly increase the rigidity the native structure. With the exception of alkaline phosphatase, the kinetics of the...
- Steve Koch
Went back and reskimmed this paper. From their conclusions: "In summary, the present study demonstrates that D2O significantly increases the rigidity of most protein structures, the effect being generally amplified by temperature as well as by the destabilization of the folded state."
- Steve Koch
An anonymous source has informed me that the ASCB has banned “replication of data” by visitors, but has presented Twitter as the poster child of conference data... - http://synthesis.williamgunn.org/2009...
What was the point of life again? [descending into pessimism...and trip to the pub]
- 'Mummi' Thorisson
Bill, another source reports that attendance seems way off this year from what it has been in the past.
- Mr. Gunn
As I see it, the problem is one of copyright. All the biologists I know (and to a degree, myself included) are alright with presenting pre-publication data at a conference as long as it isn't digitally recorded or disseminated. If there were a way to enforce "first presentation rights", less people would worry about getting scooped and be more willing to share unpublished data.
- Walter Jessen
It'd be nice if the talk were publicly available, either during or very soon after the talk. Then, this public record, combined with the tweets, blogs, etc. would provide pretty good evidence of who did the work and presented it first. At least for me it would. Even as it stands now, though, if scooping is a worry, it seems to me that allowing the audience to tweet & blog will make it...
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- Steve Koch
Walter, you might be right, but surely it has been disseminated in the form of conference abstract prior to someone tweeting about it. If they have copyright concerns, they're simply not understanding things.
- Mr. Gunn
I disagree - abstracts are much different than data. I like Steve's idea .. let's get the status quo to swing in the opposite direction and make everything publicly available following conferences and meetings.
- Walter Jessen
what is so harmful about having your research referenced by another? if it is cited, it can bring attention and acclaim to the original. if it is not properly cited, then that is itself the problem
- Mike Chelen
I signed up a while ago and invested in Jean-Claude's paper. I just revisited and couldn't figure out how to even find more papers to invest in :) I guess it remained "very beta."
- Steve Koch
I think the compatibility of IP and ONS is a very interesting topic - Steve Koch has an agreement with his research office that might make it partially compatible
- Jean-Claude Bradley
Jean-Claude, thanks for the pointer. I need to look into that. Also, Paulo Nuin commented on the blog that I could (and I will) mention data attribution.
- Pawel Szczesny
That's a great list. And data attribution and citation, maybe data management in general would be good additions. Paulo on the ball as always...
- Cameron Neylon
Agree with Jean-Claude that IP / ONS is interesting. Happy to provide any info on our very narrow and limited experience with the issue here at U. New Mexico.
- Steve Koch
Steve - hopefully we'll discuss that a bit at the ONS session in NC
- Jean-Claude Bradley