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John Dupuis
I just got an invitation to submit an article to Elsevier's Library Connect on a topic I'm fairly passionate about. Upside: reaching a broad audience on a topic that's important to me. Downside: Evil Empire and all that. Money wasn't mentioned in the email so I'll assume that there's none involved. Thoughts?
That's a tough one. Given the recent news about their support of SOPA (on top of all the other baggage they carry) I might decline if I were you. And to be honest, your blog reaches WAY more people than Library Connect. - Stephen Francoeur
It may not reach as wide an audience, but you can write a guest post for ACRLog on any passionate issue any time you like. Please. :) - barbara fister
i'm with stephen. and if you blog about the decision not to publish in elsevier, that'd be fantastic. - jambina
I endorse Stephen's point of view. Now is not the time to donate labor to Elsevier. - RepoRat
I wrote an article for EC in 2008. Main motivation - was based on article co-written with my supervisor and boss, so promoted their work, plus was a way of getting whuffie from more conservative members of profession (and staff) who did not believe in blogging. At that stage I was running a new tech program with a bit of resistance from a few staff members. I insisted that it be licensed under Creative Commons and they agreed. - Kathryn is a free elf
I'm leaning towards declining but I'm still debating with myself. - John Dupuis
I think LC is so much a vendor pub that it comes across as "promoting the brand" more than advancing the profession. But that's just my opinion. - Elizabeth Brown
Shit. I didn't realize Elsevier supported SOPA. I just accepted an offer to speak at midwinter at their symposium, on their dime :(. Which invitation arose from a piece I did in Library Connect for them, and I suspect not a soul read..... - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Thanks for posting this John - it is good food for thought. I'm wondering what's the difference between publishing in Library Connect and any other Elsevier title, such as Journal of Academic Librarianship. Which leads to a much larger and more difficult question: should librarians support of Open Access principles be more strident and become an "open access or nothing" activity? - copystar
On a related note, what do folks think of librarians who publicly disavow activities that support closed access publishing? See for example Maura Smale's open access pledge from last fall: http://msmale.commons.gc.cuny.edu/2011... - Stephen Francoeur
i'm all for it - http://jambina.com/blog... - jambina
Declined, but with the knowledge that it's easier to pass up these sorts of opportunities at my career stage. Also with the unfortunate acknowledgment that many out there will see an article in LC as automatically a more significant professional contribution than 10 years of blogging -- although frankly that's hard to believe, even in my darkest moments. As for Mita's question, I think the answer is yes and individual and institutional pledges are the way to go. - John Dupuis
And on a related note, in my own micro-field of science librarianship, I'm constantly surprised that people bother to submit articles to Science & Technology Libraries when ISTL exists. I mean, I know competition/options is a good thing, but really? Open vs. closed should be a no-brainer. - John Dupuis
As bad as SOPA is this sounds even worse - The Research Works Act. Learn more at http://bit.ly/Ae35AN - steven bell
"Additionally, it would preempt federal agencies’ planned funding, development and back-office administration of their own electronic repositories for such works, which would duplicate existing copyright-protected systems and unfairly compete with established university, society and commercial publishers." AAP just declared war on us, didn't it? - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Research Works Act thread here: http://friendfeed.com/lsw... - Catherine Pellegrino
weelibrarian
academic librarians - does your web team have student representation on it?
I know that the social-media team does (SLIS students, which may be slightly different from what you're envisioning). Not sure about the web team. - RepoRat
I said to hell with a web team. We no longer design by committee; we have project leads and we do a metric ton of usability testing (with students), instead. - Jenica
what are these "students" of which you speak? - DJF
only when I take a class - copystar
Mita wins. - DJF
if only i could jenica. right now, my inherited web team is 12 including me. i'm hoping that will change in the near future - weelibrarian
twelve? holy crap! - DJF
Nope. I just rolled off, but when I chaired we did regular usability with students. Our configuration is more of a working group than a committee, though. - kaijsa
what the whoa. yeah. change that if you can. our campus public affairs webmaster -- who does the campus site -- recently made it clear that she had struggled to work effectively with the libraries under our old web team model, because they couldn't effectively DO anything, particularly in regards to her suggestions. One person (campus PA) working with one or two people (our project leads) who then take the results back (to library staff and students) for feedback works so much more cleanly. - Jenica
Our current web committee is mostly upper mgmt. - Hedgehog
To the extent that we have a "web team," it's me. So: no, no student representation there. - Catherine Pellegrino
Officially? No. However, I/we do talk to students about their likes & dislikes and suggestions for improvements (and then follow up when changes are made) - Aaron the Librarian
No. - maʀtha
We have a small group that helps to lead web development but after we roll out a new site based on a drupal platform we'll probably do less web work as a group and focus more on small incremental change as needed. We don' t have students on this web group (doing web dev by committee is hard enough), but we do have a student advisory board, and we routinely keep them advised of our... more... - steven bell
Web team? What's that? .... - Deborah Fitchett
We actually currently have no-one responsible for web content, afaict, though I'm doing a project over summer to "weed" the site (delete unneeded pages and verbiage) and as part of the process will end up with some recommendations on who should maintain which parts how often. Design is a whole other can of worms tied in with the broader uni. We have done usability testing for various things in the past. - Deborah Fitchett
Portal redesign team of 12, but i would say the core team is maybe 6 people. Usability testing with students of course, plus I ask people i know also of course. - aaron
Rachel Walden
Anybody using a vending machine for USB flash drives in the library?
We have one on order and it arrives this week. We'll be vending all types of office supplies, including flash drives, but also personal items. I hear the most popular vending item at our tech center is no-doze. We are getting the machine through our bookstore. They will keep it stocked and earn the revenue from the sales. Another library that has had one for a while is at the University of Missouri. - steven bell
Great to know, thanks. - Rachel Walden
We have tried to get such a vending machine, but a big fuss for us is the bookstore on campus actually does not want "the competition." (At least, that has been the official line). Deity of choice knows we can likely use one. - Angel R. Rivera
We have vending machine for pens, notecards, etc. Managed by Friends. Rarely used. We used to have floppies in there, but I want to get USB's. We have to find kind with vending-friendly packaging, however. - Louise "Weezy" Alcorn
John Dupuis
RT @BenedictEvans: Business books are basically romance novels for men. Silly fantasies, terrible writing, large type, cheap paper and one good idea per book.
From what little I've seen of romance novels, this comparison is terribly unfair. To romance novels, that is. - Walt Crawford
I concur with Walt. That comparison is insulting to romance novels. If anything, business books more often than not fall in the same pap category as most self-help books. - Angel R. Rivera
Most business books are really a one page article struggling to get out. - John Dupuis
As someone who finds value in business books (and just like romance books - some are great reads while others are just trash), consider Jim Collins' latest book "Great by Choice" - based on an analysis of the performance data of 20,000 companies between 1965 to 2002.- probably a bit more than you could share in a one page article. From this Collins offers managers and leaders five big... more... - steven bell
Reading books on management is easier than actually managing. I think that's one reason they sell well; when I could improve my actual practice, or I could read this reasonably interesting and fun-to-read book and it still feels like "work," sometimes the book is gonna win. - Steele Lawman
So let's look at Collins's choices and his controls. His choices for outperformers include Microsoft, and his controls include Apple. Okay then. - RepoRat
Well, just like romance books, there are good business books and bad business books. I'm sure the best romance novels are just as worth reading as the best business books. Christensen's Innovator's Dilemma is a good example of a good business book. - John Dupuis
Right, DJF. Which calls a lot of business-book methodology into question, I should think, for problems of survivorship bias (and other sample cherrypicking), incomplete data, and post-hoc-ergo-propter-hoc. (I agree with John that Christensen's work tends to be more rigorous, though I think some of his later books have gone off the rails.) - RepoRat
I will invoke Sturgeon's Law. 90% of every kind of book is crap. - John Dupuis
Walt Crawford
Hmm. Going through Penn. libraries, I hit Jersey Shore--and thought maybe I'd been mishearing Billy Joel's Allentown. I assumed he meant they went down to Atlantic City or elsewhere on the New Jersey shoreline for weekends, not to a nearby town. But, after a little checking: Nope, it was "the Jersey shore"...
...and Jersey Shore, apart from apparently not being resort material, is actually two miles more distant from Allentown than Atlantic City. Ah well. (Yes, I know, "Allentown" is really about Bethlehem, NJ, but never mind.) - Walt Crawford
Trust me, they'd be better off going to the Jersey shore than to Jersey Shore for a fun weekend. - LB put a spell on you.
After looking up a little more about Jersey Shore, I most definitely believe you. I won't say there's no there there, but it doesn't seem overrun with hotels, restaurants and attractions. Well, there is a steel mill... - Walt Crawford
I go by JS every so often traveling west on Rt. 80 - across Pennsylvania. Not much in JS, but it is the start (or end) point of pine creek rail trail. It goes about 60 miles north through the pennsylvania forests on to the grand canyon of PA. I've ridden this trail (not all at once) and it is a fantastic outdoor experience. It is certainly one reason to visit JS. - steven bell
[My comment was swallowed by a momentary FF outage.] Around these parts, I don't know of any community that isn't within minutes of wonderful outdoor experiences, but I'm spoiled. Livermore itself keeps expanding its multiuse trail system. Good to hear JS also has great outdoor experiences; every town & city should. - Walt Crawford
Steele Lawman
If you were going to talk to faculty and members of the student honor council who are thinking about subscribing to a plagiarism detection service such as turnitin, what would you tell them or ask them?
Also: are there any other players in this field besides turnitin? - Steele Lawman
The Chronk has some pretty thoughtful pieces on plagiarism detection. I'd have a look over there -- including some of their blogs, ProfHacker especially. - RepoRat
The other major player that I'm aware of is SafeAssign, which is a module built into Blackboard. - Catherine Pellegrino
bleh. You might get questions about intellectual property issues. - maʀtha
I guess what I'd want to ask the faculty and students is, "what are you hoping to accomplish by subscribing to this service?" and then examine critically whether the tool in question would, in fact, accomplish what they hope that it would. - Catherine Pellegrino
And yeah, you're gonna have to address the IP issue. Virginia Commonwealth has a pretty good rundown: http://www.vcu.edu/uc... - Catherine Pellegrino
Interestingly, as a student who has my profs using SafeAssign, I was told 42% of my paper was a match to some papers, somewhere. Turns out when I looked at the results, it was my bibliography, portions of which had appeared in various other papers. Not terribly useful, imo, so point that out, since I dont think that's what faculty are looking to slog through.... - ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
Colleen's right: both Turnitin and SafeAssign flag legitimately cited content, so reading the program's report requires a certain amount of critical thinking from the get-go. Just because it flags something, doesn't necessarily mean it's plagiarism. You do have to THINK about the implications of the report. - Catherine Pellegrino
Thanks for the responses so far. Colleen, unless SafeAssign is significantly worse than turnitin, that sounds like a prof not knowing how to use the tool. My wife, Shanon, uses turnitin in her teaching at the community college, and it always shows some degree of a match due to quotes, bibliography, etc. In fact, it's a red flag if it shows zero duplication. [Also what Catherine said while I was typing. :) ] - Steele Lawman
The flip side of the "flagging legitimate content" problem is that if a student looks at the turnitin report for her own paper, if she doesn't fully understand what the report means and how the tool works, she may freak out and think that she's committing vast acts of plagiarism when in fact she's not. - Catherine Pellegrino
I will also ask the student honor council if they think this undermines the honor code. Sure, it makes it easier for them when they are called in to investigate an alleged violation, but what's the point of an honor code if they are under electronic surveillance? - Steele Lawman
@Steve - I've not seen TurnItIn at work; SafeAssign just hgihlights duplicated content and names the other source it was seen in, it doesnt actually distinguish between references/in-text cites and not-references. If profs are actually going to go into each one and look at where the dupes are coming from, that's one thing (Catherine's critical thinking mention), but the reason many/my... more... - ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
The other big development in the plagiarism software field is that TurnItIn has a new product to which anyone can subscribe or use called WriteCheck that some faculty are crying foul about because they say students can run their papers through it, see where it turns up plagiarism - and then change the words enough to pass the TurnItIn process. Others say it can help students realize... more... - steven bell
I know of a faculty member who writes in every course syllabus she claims the right to replace any paper that she thinks has been plagiarized with an impromptu oral exam. I like this solution a lot better than Turnitin - copystar
I'd second the "what problem are you hoping to solve?" Rather than looking for generic plagiarism, it seems more effective to me to encourage faculty to assign things that can't be easily plagiarized, which is what my friends amongst our faculty do: versioned papers, so that the student has to have drafts and discuss them with the prof before turning in the final version. assignments... more... - Jenica
Right, I feel like in this case it's motivated by the fact that they think they caught someone. And if they can catch someone without the software, then what's the point. - Steele Lawman
I have had faculty ask to use something like turnitin (which we do not have) because they want "real proof" when they are certain someone is guilty. But I'm not sure that software can prove more than smart faculty can. - Jenica
I love the "what are you hoping to accomplish" question. I'd also find out how much it costs and ask "if the university let you spend $X on something for the campus, what would you want to do with that money? Is this it?" And I'd tell them to read the WPA Best Practices statement - http://wpacouncil.org/node/9 - barbara fister
Suddenly realize that I need to add a slide or two on turnitin to my teaching-tech day. Thanks, all. - RepoRat
RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Am feeling sad about CiL. Does anyone know if all speakers have been notified?
I was wondering the same thing... - Walt Crawford
in the same boat as you. - LibrarianOnTheLoose
Just change your name to Lee Rainie and show up. - lris
Iris is a genius. - kendrak
LOL Iris. - Catherine Pellegrino
Hell's nowhere near enough frozen over for me to change my name to Lee Rainie, thank you. - Walt Crawford
Aw. A lot of what Pew does is super-useful. It's just when they try to get cute about it that they get stupid instead (also see Scalzi on the failure mode of clever). - RepoRat
Cecily: What RR sez, but more specifically I dislike being called negative things by them and the overall attitude of MORE DIGITAL! MORE ONLINE! that pervades Rainie's reporting and their reports. I regard them as an advocacy outfit more than a research outfit. That may be unfair. - Walt Crawford
Er, what's there to sad about with CiL? Did a quick google & twitter search and didn't see anything... - John Dupuis
Just sad about me not notified about speaking at CiL. I dont think. And therefore maybe, me not going? - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
I asked two of our librarians who submitted a proposal to CiL. They were notified last week the proposal had been accepted. - steven bell
One thing that disturbs me about IL/CIL is how many times some speakers appear in a single conference. If you are are on the organizing committee, I don't think it's cool putting yourself for, like, five sessions. It's not as if there aren't other talented and able folk out there who would appreciate the opportunity - copystar from iPod
I can see why they do it, though; it's cheaper. Pay one airfare/hotel tab, get more hours' worth of content. - RepoRat
Sure, it's cheaper and Information Today is a for-profit business. For kicks, I looked em up in the D&B database we have. It's estimated that they do $10,600,000 in sales a year. Just sayn' - copystar
It's a private company so detailed financial information is limited. - copystar
Frankly, I thought IL/CIL would circle the drain years ago because they're so inbred and repetitive, but InfoToday does seem to be making 'em work. Not sure if it reflects poorly on InfoToday so much as on librarianship generally. - RepoRat
I've never been to an IL/CIL, and only submitted this time because I'm doing a book with ITI and they (the book side) thought I should. As a book publisher (and magazine publisher), ITI is professional and a real pleasure to work with. - Walt Crawford
Wait -- You have a book with ITI and your proposal wasn;t accepted? that's completely borked! Isn't it? - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Except there's always an author's panel.... - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
I was kind of done with CIL a few years ago.. i guess I might go again after a while but i found that it was really the same people saying the same things. - Christina Pikas
What Chris sez. The book side is pretty much separate from the magazine/newsletter/conference side. (And my last column on the magazine side is now finished.) I will diplomatically choose not to comment on repetitive speakers and the organizing committee/eternal speaker overlap. - Walt Crawford
Cool. I'll yield that as a truth :) - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
So does what makes it continue to work the content or the fact that many of the same folks attend and there's a social scene they like to be a part of - the networking piece of any conference. True - many of the same folks talking about the same stuff - but these conferences continue to serve as a venue for those who haven't presented much to get their foot in the door. - steven bell
I went to CiL once about 5 or 6 years ago. And definitely it would have been completely pointless for me to have gone for the year or two after that time due to the speaker/topic overlap. The speakers/topics now seem different enough that I might consider going again one of these days, even if I'm not quite as interested in chasing the shiny as I was a few years ago. - John Dupuis
And I seem to remember Christina being at the one I went to. And believe me, Christina, you will be missed at scio12! - John Dupuis
lris
After the vendor demo of Summon yesterday, I think that Summon is above the competition in the discovery market. However, I now utterly resent the product because of the aggressive and argumentative sales rep.
may I suggest that it might be useful to report this back to Serials Solutions, and/or say it on your blog as well? - RepoRat
Yeah, we'll see if I come up with anything to write semi-formally, but those thoughts have crossed my mind. - lris
I agree. I'm sure Jane Burke would want to hear from you. Mention it on your blog? Perhaps after speaking to Jane - the post might share what the response was from the top, and a post might reflect badly on SerSol - when if might just be this one rep who has an issue. - steven bell
Steven, sincere question: why should a librarian care if their post "reflects badly" on a vendor? Edit: I mean, I understand that talking to someone up the chain would allow a blogger to present a more complete view of the situation. But as long as a person posts the truth, why worry about something reflecting badly on a vendor. - Steele Lawman
Well, pragmatically, some vendors will play gotcha with librarians, complaining up the librarian's chain of command and whatnot. Dirty pool? Sure. But it's a consideration. - RepoRat
Fair question Steve. I'd like to give the rep the benefit of the doubt - maybe having a bad day - perhaps in need of more training - maybe just off their game this time. If the rep isn't named in the post - and I doubt you'd do that - then others who read may it may be put off by all of this vendor's reps. Think of it this way. One reference librarian is having a bad day - in a bad mood... more... - steven bell
Fair enough. I'd thought about that counter-example, too, Steven. I guess I'd think that while I'd certainly prefer that the student contact the library, I would also admit that the student need not worry about their factual complaint reflecting badly on the library. - Steele Lawman
It's funny because the more I think about this the more I realize that I'm not particularly interested in reporting vendor reps that rub me wrong (I'd have to quit my day job to keep up with that hobby). I'll spout off here briefly in frustration, sure, but I don't really consider it my duty to fix the situation. - lris
I *am* interested in learning whether the points he was making reflect SS philosophy, though, because when I write on my blog I usually abstract the situation to make broader points than "this guy was weird." That's far less interesting to me than whether the philosophies he was pushing are indicative of the company's goals. If they are, that's something that I think people will be... more... - lris
I don't know if people have seen my colleague Bill Denton's post on what the damn things cost: http://www.miskatonic.org/2011... Yeah, we're investigating too. - John Dupuis
I had an interesting talk with an ACS rep. Basically, their answer to my being upset about a 22% increase in costs is the same as Nature's was with U of CA - you had too good a consortial deal and we're making prices more normal now. And we take into account your size and use etc. - it's "value pricing" - and it's still a 22% increase. When a secret deal is too good it's a gateway drug. I remember the moment I got hooked on ACS - it was one hell of a good deal. - barbara fister
yep yep yep yep yep. Ken Frazier warned us about that, but did we listen? noooooooooooo... (and ironically, Ken's own library system didn't listen either) - RepoRat
I don't have any hard numbers, but last year Summon sales offered our UL a deeply discounted deal (which would have helped make Summon a "consortial product" presumably) Also this offer had a ridiculously short deadline. It happened around this time last year... oh, and look... I have been invited to a meeting called "New Committee (URM/Discovery Layer Assessment) for next week. Funny that. - copystar
Mita, that sounds strangely familiar. Or perhaps not so strangely. - John Dupuis
the challenge with being part of such a geographically diffuse group is that it challenges our ability to talk about things like this as candidly as we might like, sub rosa. - DJF
αnnα vαȵ scoyoç
hey, LSWers -- who among you has probably been in librarianship the longest?????
*points mutely at Walt* - RepoRat
let's see if walt thinks so! :) - αnnα vαȵ scoyoç
If you define "in librarianship" loosely enough (the whole degree thing)...full time (or at least 3/4 time) since 1968, part-time (student) since 1963. - Walt Crawford
I graduated library school in 1977 and started my first full time library position in 1978. So Walt has me beat on this one. - steven bell
Yes, Steven, but you've actually been in libraries as a librarian. I was only in libraries from 1963-1979, and never acting as a librarian or even librarian-equivalent. And you're still there, while I'm fading away... - Walt Crawford
thanks!!! i always wondered....i was telling someone earlier today about the LSW FF, especially about the variety of libraries, areas of expertise, etc.... i know library students and new librarians participate, but i wasn't sure about just how long some of the LSW peeps had been doing the library thing [with or sans degree]. a wealth of information -- all of you!!!! - αnnα vαȵ scoyoç
I bet the median is somewhere around 2002. (Totally making that up, but it is a serious guess.) - Steele Lawman
I am in the middle of the pack, Grad student in 1993, full time in 1995-present. - Joe
Degreed up in 1989 when I was 2 years old. Working in libraries since 1987. - Kathryn is a free elf
Started as an infant, huh. - Joe
Ditto Joe above, for me... Does 1991-1993 a Page/Library Assistant I/Library Assistant III in the NYPL Special Collections count for or against me? ;) - Aaron the Librarian
First (part time, summer) library job in 1993; first full-time job in 2000; degreed in 2004. So pretty close to Steve's median, actually. - Catherine Pellegrino
80-82 as a shelver. 85-86 as a circ clerk. Steadily since 95 in Reference. Does my service as the Best Library Helper at Hudson Grade School from 1968-1974 count? http://www.flickr.com/photos... - Rochelle *boom* Hartman
In the median - degreed Dec. 2000, first position Jan. 2001. - Galadriel C.
degreed Dec. 2000, first position July 2001 (but doing a bunch of 10-hour librarian-type jobs in between) - bentley
Student worker 1998-2000, para 2002-2006, MLIS'ed since 2006. - Rachel Walden
student worker 1992-1995, corporate pigdog 1996-2002, student worker 2002-2004, MSIS'd since 2004 - ellbeecee
December of 1998 is when I started my first library job. - WebGoddess
I started my staff position in 1995 (I think). Got the degree in 2000. - Steele Lawman
I think my first library staff job was in 1993. Maybe 94. Degreed in 2008. - Jason P
Degree and first professional job in 1993, but had worked steadily in libraries since high school. Having both parents work in libraries has its perks! - Jen
first library job in 1996 and MLIS degree in 1998. - Elizabeth Brown
Oh, I forgot I worked the circ desk at college from 1985-89.... - Joe
2005-. Dunno why y'all let me teach library school, n00b that I am. - RepoRat
2005--trying to catch up to all the more recent than me who are kicking butt and taking names... - Hedgehog
when initially asked, i was thinking involved with/experience working in libraries -- in the working sense [not as patrons]; i didn't even think about pre-degree vs. post-degree [GASP!] i think i'm a bit of an anomaly -- i didn't work in a library until i started library school. - αnnα vαȵ scoyoç
been working in a library since 1990. :) - holly #ravingfangirl
started MLIS degree in 2004, earned degree in 2006, started working in libraries in 2006 :) - John: Thread Killer
Part-time 2005, full-time 2006, degree 2007. I shelved books in elementary school for a year or two circa 1987. - laura x
i shelved books in my mom's library in middle school, and had library as my homeroom in middle school too.... does that count? - ~Courtney F
Started in libraries August 2002. Got MSc in 2004. - Pete : Team Marina
Internship: 1993. Degree: 1995. Full-time: 1996-present. *shakes cane* - LB put a spell on you.
Started MLS 2002, degree 2004, working full time ever since - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Hedgehog
Have you ever presented a poster at ALA? What did you present about? Did you feel it was worthwhile?
Yes. "Nailing Jello to the Wall" (Assessment Rubrics for Library Services -specifically not instruction). Yes, but... not enough people have the time to hit all the posters. - Aaron the Librarian from Android
Yes. A couple of years ago on some blendedlibrarian research. You won't get as much traffic as you do at ACRL - where there is a "no conflict" time for posters. At ACRL the posters always get big traffic. But in a way that's not terrible at ALA as you get to spend more time conversing with those who stop by. I enjoy doing a poster session from time to time. A tip - look into using... more... - steven bell
thanks for that tip, Steven -- that is ace! - RepoRat
Derrick
Anyone search using DIALOG? It's one our next unit of study in my science and tech reference class.
Someone showed me Dialog about ten years ago and I have never used it since. - Jason P
My professor is apparently a big fan. - Derrick
if you get dialog classic, then other databases will make more sense and be easier. they have that fancy smancy interface now that looks just like everything else... but ahhh classic. I use it at work if I need some strange db we don't have a license to. - Christina Pikas
I think a lot of professors still teach DIALOG bc its the granddaddy of all databases (at least I think of it that way) and like Christina says with dialog classic makes searching other databases make sense, especially lexisnexis. that being said I haven't looked at it since lib school - Sir Shuping is just sir
Up until a year ago, we were still paying some small amount of money to have access to DIALOG. I asked why. We're now no longer paying that small amount of money. - Catherine Pellegrino
Never seen it, but I've heard about it in stories and textbooks. - ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
haven't really used it in practice either, but I learned it in lib school also. definitely agree that it helps you make sense of database searching in general though. - holly #ravingfangirl
So it's like how learning Latin will help your Spanish and French, even though you'll never need to speak Latin? - Jason P
i've used it. secretly i love it. but i'd never wish it on any user. - jambina
I used to teach it. Carol Tenopir once said studying Dialog is like going to auto shop and pulling apart the engine of a sportscar piece by piece to see how everything works -- only for database searching instead of cars. We use it for a few things, but not a lot at my library. We may do away with it in the next few years. - LibrarianOnTheLoose
I learned how to use it in library school and actually found it pretty enjoyable. I understand why it's not regularly used but I liked wrangling wit it. #gluttonforpunishment - Hedgehog
We had one class session (maybe two?) on it in library school (in 2002ish), and I can't say I learned much from that experience that was useful in a lasting way. It did impress upon me the importance of planning out a search ahead of time instead of just flinging keywords at the database willy-nilly, but now that databases don't charge by the search any more (....right?) that's not as... more... - Catherine Pellegrino
I love it for the reasons Christina and Elaine mention. Makes you think about searching in a new way. - kendrak from FFHound(roid)!
If you think of searches as costing a lot of money per search, DIALOG makes sense. - Steele Lawman
Used it all the time in 1994. - Gershbec
It does some SERIOUSLY BADASS things that other databases really kind of can't. ("Which restaurants in my area do more than $X in business in a year?" types of questions.) I miss it some days! But yeah, it's a beast. I'll tell you what my DIALOG teacher told me: no matter what the question is with respect to DIALOG, the answer is "it's in the bluesheets!" - RepoRat
I LOVED learning DIALOG. Then again, I also loved learning Latin. And yes, what they've all said about how much it teaches you about databases and search queries, and how much control it gives you. I loved it because I always knew EXACTLY what I was actually searching, which I pretty much never know in most modern standard databases. - laura x
Thanks for the perspective, y'all. I'm looking forward to playing around with it this week. And I'm thankful that they gave us the hookup so we or the university doesn't have to pay. - Derrick
Had a whole class on it in lib school. Loved it. Haven't used it since about 2002. And kinda agree on the Latin analogy, as well as sort of internalizing Boolean operators, field searching, and complex expressions. - Laura Norvig from iPhone
just reading the word makes me drool...I loved using it in GSLIS...bluesheets! Now you've got me wondering what it would take to audit that class again, just so I could play... :) the word proximity search was so much fun... - Eric Sizemore
How's this analogy: DIALOG is to database searching as vi/emacs are to text processing. - Steele Lawman
that is, 90% of the time, way more powerful than you need, but absolutely essential for that other 10%, and an expert can make it sing. - DJF
I think one of my colleagues finally disposed of a couple of decades worth of DIALOG documentation when we moved offices, but I wouldn't be surprised if he secretly squirreled them away in his office. - kaijsa
You'll probably never have to use it again, but it's a good exercise in thinking through what you actually need to look for. - Rachel Walden
fun times! - maʀtha
Laura x, I loved learning DIALOG too - and I've had to use it since. Former workplace had a login, and there were some very specialized business sources available. I had to use it twice in 3 years there to help students. It kind of made me feel like an old-school librarian and I wanted to have my hair up in a bun. - ellbeecee
Have used it, taught it and would often rather use it than the stuff we get from the popular aggregators. If you have a chance - check out the FINDER Files (e.g., company name finder, product finder) - and the RANK command and the REPORT command (for numeric files). Ask your instructor to demo these. Also, citation searching in the ISI files on dialog is superior to web of science. If you can figure out dialog, you can search anything they can throw at you. - steven bell
I use STN about once a year for access to a specific database that is rarely used anymore. STN is pretty Dialogish. http://www.cas.org/product... (Check that, I actually use http://stneasy.cas.org/easy5... instead.) - Joe
Hey Derrick - are they still teaching LIS students any native mode Lexis/Nexis? That's another good one to learn if they still have it. Anyone fans of HLEAD or ATLEAST out there? - steven bell
Steele Lawman
Friday evening probably isn't the time to post this, but would you think it normal in an academic library to have no library employees on the hiring committee for the new library director? Ours is retiring at the end of the academic year, and while we are being asked for input, there is a policy against having staff on the committee for their boss.
no that makes absolutely no f'ing sense at all. they should have at least one if not multiple people from the library on the committee - Sir Shuping is just sir
Wish I knew. MPOW is facing the same situation. (The birdies tell me that someone from SLIS faculty will be on the committee, at least.) - RepoRat
It depends on the academic status of librarians to some extent. If the ul is a "dean like" position, then yes, there should be librarians/staff involved - DJF from Android
Not normal. - copystar
No. - maʀtha
When I was at Georgetown Law, I believe that none of the library staff of about 70 people (large for an academic law library) were on the search/hiring committee when we had to replace the late, great Bob Oakley. We did get to officially contribute to the process, though. In one of our quarterly all-staff meetings, we put together a list of qualities library staff were looking for in the next director. (When I left Georgetown, the search had been going on for about a year; it went on for another year.) ... - Julian
... Georgetown Law is certainly a career destination in the academic law library world -- as is the school for faculty. At the same time, Harvard was looking for a new director for its law library. In the public library world, that would be like Boston Public Library and Enoch Pratt Free Library both looking for directors at the same time. At a place like Harvard, the library director represents the faculty more than s/he represents the library. The director is often an ex officio member of the faculty. ... - Julian
... In public libraries, I believe that it's usually the muni/county that directly hires the library director. If not directly, then said government has a huge say in the decision. Participation from a board of trustees, should one exist, might happen. Library staff below director, AFAIK, have no say in the matter -- especially if the library is an official department/division of a... more... - Julian
... Short answer -- I don't think it's unusual at all for the search committee for the director of a library to consist solely of those representing the organization under which the library lives. - Julian
I think it is highly unusual to have potential direct reports on a hiring committee. At places like MFPOW, where there is just the Director and Everybody Else, that meant no library staff. - Mark Kille
Thanks, all. It pissed me off earlier. Now I'm just resigned to the fact that if you ain't faculty, you ain't shit. - Steele Lawman
I think not having the library staff (regardless of faculty status) on the committee is total bullshit. One thing I think we do well here is to have both library faculty and staff on our faculty hiring committees. The dean predates me, but I hear tell it worked the same way when she was hired. - kaijsa
I want to chime in and say that contrary to what Mark says, we always have direct reports on the hiring committees for dept. head positions. We hired a new head for my department a few months after I started, and we got significant input into the decision. - kaijsa
We don't have a director, but faculty serve on the search for provost; the prez makes the choice, but search includes faculty who report to provost. Personally? It is bullshit. Will the committee even know what matters and what answers are crazy talk versus smart? - barbara fister from iPhone
I'm not sure there are any easy answers here. I was terrified of the idea of an all-faculty search committee at MPOW, because MPOW's libraries are mostly stuck in the 1980s and faculty are used to that and unlikely to think beyond it. OTOH, many *librarians* here are used to (and in favor of) a 1980s lib system as well, so who's to say including them would lead to a more progressive hire? - RepoRat
here, we are faculty but it is unlikely we will have librarians on the committee for the new Dean next year. She works for University Administration, reporting through the office of the Provost. I've been told the Library's Executive Committee will likely be 'consulted' but no one knows what that means. (Of course, I will never hold us up as exemplars to actually follow. We are completely fracked up, in every way) - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
I was on a decanal search committee here two years ago and it was basically all faculty. It was the Provost and about 10 faculty from the unit, one staff, two faculty from outside the unit, one regular prof and me. We'll be having a UL search here in a year or two and I imagine it'll work about the same way. Searches for non-faculty admin staff are completely different and can be run more or less at the discretion of the hiring unit. - John Dupuis
BTW, if anyone gets the opportunity to wrangle their way on a non-library decanal search, seize it. It was...revealing. - John Dupuis
I'm on the committee to hire the Associate Dean (Library Director) of the Library here at MPOW. [in my more cynical moments, I wonder if I am on the committee so I will be unable to apply] - Aaron the Librarian
Thanks, all. Turns out that this policy is straight from the new college president and has been labeled as "non-negotiable" by those in the know. On the more positive side, the Dean and the faculty head of the committee are making sincere efforts to ensure we are involved. So. We'll see. - Steele Lawman
(awd, they may actually have been feeling you out. If you were interested in applying, you would have removed yourself from the committee, no?) - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
all searches at MPOW have direct reports and faculty if it's an administrative search committee. It seems odd that no library staff are involved. I've heard of this practice at community college libraries where there are fewer professional library staff. - Elizabeth Brown
Steve, I do hope you end up with a great new director at the end of this. - kaijsa
Chiming in with the not-normal (and we put staff on committees for both other staff and for dept heads, as well). Best of luck with your search, and I hope you get someone great! - ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
Thanks for the good wishes. Oh, and if you want to direct a liberal arts college library in Colorado Springs, watch this space... - Steele Lawman
Re: direct reports, the only way I would personally be comfortable ethically with being on a hiring committee for my direct supervisor would be if I were a non-voting member. Just...no. I respect the people here, so I'm open to believing there are reasonable ethical justifications for it, but the conflict of interest just seems to huge to me. - Mark Kille
The committee that hired me was several faculty, a dean, an administrative staff member from upper mgmt, three librarians, and my secretary. Library staff nearly equalled campus staff. If direct reports don't have a voice in the prowess, the blind are hiring blindly. - Jenica
I will stick with my personal feeling that "a voice" is different from "a vote," and budge a little to say that I see multiple direct report representation as an improvement on a single direct report. - Mark Kille
Mark, would you please spell out the ethical problem you see? I'm not entirely sure I understand that point of view (though I know you aren't the only one that has it). Is the problem that there could be a quid pro quo where the applicant and the committee member strike a deal? - Steele Lawman
I will also say that anything that points out that I am, in the mind of the administration, a "direct report" just pisses me off. I think that's one of the things that holds us back as a profession. I doubt many professors, lawyers, doctors, etc. consider themselves a goddam "direct report." - Steele Lawman
Maybe nothing new here but the concern may be that librarians on the committee to hire their direct supervisor may be subjective and lean toward the person who is most like themselves (something we tend to do) and a person he/she will like -as opposed to the most qualified individual. I don't necessarily agree with this, and would trust most professionals to be objective - but it can... more... - steven bell
Yes, we will have input at several points in the search, including right now as they write the job description, and certainly during the in-person interviews. - Steele Lawman
Steve, I will not defend the system of "direct reports," but it's the reality for most academic libraries. The ethical problems are: potential quid pro quo; damaged working relationship if the preferred candidate doesn't get the job; perception of unfair influence for one or more people vs. others not on the committee; access to confidential materials about candidate; "like seeks like"... more... - Mark Kille
Thanks, Mark. - Steele Lawman
holly #ravingfangirl
wait. there are people that take klout seriously?!?!?
What is klout? Is that like I Am Kloot? - Zamms
a bunch of people in my twitter stream are freaking out about some change they made to the algorithm. *headdesk* - holly #ravingfangirl
I'm still confused about why I should even care what Klout says. It's bad enough they spell the word with a K. Now I have to actually care about them too? - Hookuh Tinypants
nooooooooo, don't fall for it, Tinypants! fight the Klout! - holly #ravingfangirl
The only thing I know about Klout is that my number was/is high enough that it got me an early invite to Spotify. Other than that, I don't even know (or care) what it is. - Rochelle
Klout was a fun thing to game, but I don't see the actual influence. Instead, it's like one of those quarter fortune machines that says I'm awesome but not how I'm awesome. - Andy
heh. I like that analogy, Andy. - holly #ravingfangirl
Must admit, on reading tweets from [some library person I somewhat respect] about monitoring his Klout score, I was surprised: "You mean non-SEOs actually *monitor* their Klout scores?" - Walt Crawford
FWIW, the media and communications people here take Klout pretty seriously. It's clearly BS but the correlation between it and non-BS is close enough to make it interesting to marketing types. - John Dupuis
I ceasted taking it seriously when I looked up Steve Abram and it said he is influential about "lighthouses" - LibrarianOnTheLoose
Also, what Rochelle said. Spotify invite to be sure - LibrarianOnTheLoose
It's even worse, when you realize some HR people take Klout, and similar services, seriously. - NOT THE CRICKET
I don't get Klout. I suppose as a marketer I should find it helpful...but I haven't been able to find any use from it. - Tamara, #TeamMarina
WHAT? STEPHEN ABRAM ISN'T AN EXPERT ON LIGHTHOUSES? - Joe
If you are an xtranormal fan you'll probably like this:http://www.youtube.com/watch... - steven bell
HAHAHAHA! love. it. - holly #ravingfangirl
Oddly, Klout just sent me email about something-or-other and said I should check in. So I did...and, before getting to anything more useful than "Add your Facebook account!" Klout's server timed out, yielding a 505. I'm impressed... - Walt Crawford
RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Do you host web -inars, -casts, conferences, or other virtual discussion thingies? What do you use? Does your library/campus have a platform? Are there good free ones out there? If you have a paid one, would you let an outsider use it for free? (one of the groups I chair has decided to try to hold a virtual discussion, but have no idea how to host
We have webex, started messing around with it a bit. Not so much discussion, as more lecture style. I did 3 so far, including one for Endnote that was attended by 100+. Might try a more discussion type session for smaller groups. Not sure if there are many free ones particularly if you want to allow >15 people. - aaron
We use webex (not free), but I have heard good things about DimDim. You could also get a free 30 day trial of GoToMeeting. - Laura Norvig from iPhone
Another up and coming free service seems to be anymeeting.com. I haven't tried it though. Generally the issue with free stuff is the pesky ads. - Laura Norvig from iPhone
The Illuminate/Blackboard thing went great today. And, I was just an attendee for a smallish one with Adobe Connect. Worked just fine - Joe
The one that I used for free from anymeeting.com went ok, but we had some audio issues over IP. That may not have been a problem with anymeeting, though. - Joe
I promote WebEx because of its cross-platform capabilities. - Julian
I have not tried it yet but it looks like the Google + Hangout has some potential for a virtual meeting where everyone can use a webcam. I have watched youtube video of meetings in this space and it does work. Locally we have Adobe Connect or Bb Collaborate, but we wouldn't allow an non-affiliated party to use them. - steven bell
I've used Yugma for our state library learning sessions, both as a presenter and attendee. But now that I think about it, it might have been a paid account rather than the free version, because we had a lot of participation. I've used Illuminiate/Blackboard with great success and I also like Adobe Connect, both through campus licenses. We give a big e-learning conference every fall, and offer both presentation and attendance to non-university people through Illuminate. - kaijsa
Brian Mathews
Library Engagement Framework - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Library Engagement Framework
Play
I would think that loyalty would be at the top of the user relationship or engagement pyramid - or might replace pride or appreciation. If you are loyal to a product or service, they are part of your feeling loyal. One other thought. Getting to the top of any of these hierarchies - especially Maslow - takes years or a lifetime. We only have a few years with students - so we need to find... more... - steven bell
Galadriel C.
So, are any LSWers testing the waters of patron driven acquisition of e-books? If so, are you wadding or swimming? What parameters did you use for your profile(s). Our pilot profile was post 2008 publication, no obvious textbooks, and from 15 "primary" academic publishers. But, we're getting ready to analyze usage and change things a bit.
This is how I justify my laziness in selection duties, Galadriel. "Oh, if I don't order stuff, the patrons will ask for it." ;-p Probably not the answer you were looking for. - Rochelle *boom* Hartman
Ha! I think it would be kind of fun and interesting to take down the fence for a little while just to see what would happen, but there are some who are already concerned that PDA reduces the need for librarians to apply their expertise and compromise the integrity of the collections. But what if librarians flipped the process and used the PDA usage data to guide their work instead of creating the gates through which the users must go? Not sure! - Galadriel C.
We are swimming in it. My colleagues is a big time national speaker on the topic. Using EBL. First three uses of a book are loans, and the fourth use is a purchase of the book. (I think, it could be 4, 5) This is about a year old. He might have published some newer stuff in the mean time, http://www.tandfonline.com/doi... - Joe
we're swimming too, using ebrary as our floaties. we just finished a pilot with 7 key academic departments and are about to open the floodgates to all depts next week. our profile mimics our print approval plan with ybp, so there's very little mgmt work that needs to be done related to identifying which titles are appropriate; if it falls into our approval profile, it's good for our... more... - Marie
Thanks! The pilot here began last July and is with EBL and ebrary. Joe thanks so much for the link, and Marie, yes if you wouldn't mind forwarding your boss' presentation I would really appreciate it! galadriel.chilton at uconn dot edu. - Galadriel C.
Um, I seem to be the grump in the corner on this whole concept. It seems so bizarre to prop up a system that doesn't work very well by spending quite a lot to give patrons temporary access to book. I feel as if our budgets are being used to sustain limited-access publishing and create an illusion of abundance, just as we have done with serials. - barbara fister
I'm in Barbara's grumpy corner, and I think it may have a lot to do with the relative size of our institutions and budgets. Our monographs budget has been slashed so drastically that we probably couldn't even afford the ongoing maintenance fees to sustain a PDA platform, much less purchase any titles that got used. And we're not already in the ebook market (seriously: we own two. TWO.)... more... - Catherine Pellegrino
Just read Barbara's article a few hours ago as I was poised on the diving board, ready to jump in. Gave me a lot to think about; will be interested to read the results of your pilot studies. - Jen
barbara, can you be more specific about what you think doesn't work very well with the system? depending on which provider one chooses the access is permanent (a purchase), not temporary. does that change your opinion? - Marie
I have a problem with the idea that we will offer as much as possible to our users and pay $10-$15 each time they spend more than five minutes with a book, then if we decide to have unlimited access pay $75 - so that students can harvest bits of scholarship for school assignments they don't really care about. We're basically becoming a shopping site for publishers who can set prices the... more... - barbara fister
Oh, those numbers came from a slide at the ebook summit on U of Colo. Denver's use of EBL. I think ownership is ... well, better, but still, I'd rather put money into publishing stuff and making it free. All this makes me think deep thoughts about "what is a library, really?" A website where you can harvest whatever you want without seeing the bill is not my idea of a library. But it seems to be where we're headed. - barbara fister
I don't know if I'm in Barbara's corner, but I think I gesture at it pathetically every time we discuss ebooks at our library and I say things like "ARG. No like. Big dumb deal like journals, not want." - Steele Lawman
(psst, Steve: you're sounding a lot like THE BOULDER there. That's not to say I disagree with you/him.) I think I've put my finger on why else I think PDA is a bad fit for very small undergraduate libraries like mine: with a collection this small, we have to be very very selective about what we add, and think very carefully about how useful a particular title will be for how many... more... - Catherine Pellegrino
We're doing PDA through I think just EBL but I don't know details. We started off with it mediated, which caused tremendous amounts of confusion, so now it's non-mediated. I believe a little weird stuff (ie stuff that doesn't look study/research-related) gets purchased as a result but not much. - Deborah Fitchett
we're doing it with EBL (that sounds kinky). There is a threshold amount that triggers the purchase request and it has to be approved by a librarian. Below the threshold cost it's open slather. But we only display on our catalogue the subject ranges that we teach so some things are masked. Of the items we've approved for purchase I think there has only been the odd one or two that have been wierd. - Penny
Penny, we only display some too, but once people are in the EBL site they can do searches of their full catalogue (or at least we assume this is how a few things have been ordered that we hadn't displayed). - Deborah Fitchett
We took our profiles for new-book notices (formerly slips) and had our vendor (YPB) run them against their title lists from the last few years (a year at a time). Most we were happy with. a few we tweaked. and that's the collection of possible PDAq titles we provide. - Aaron the Librarian
Also, we are doing the 4 non-ephemeral uses for $1 & the 5th is an automatic purchase dealy - Aaron the Librarian
attended a small ebook conf in my region and spoke to 2 librarians whose institution were doing EBL PDA (mid size institutions) . One thing I noticed both said, their initial estimates on usage were way off (too low), the paper I read by Iowa university? on the subject also found their budgets bursting. - aaron from BuddyFeed
a bit curious. for PDA doubters is the main reason simply price? if prices go down sufficiently say maybe matching or even a discount on what we would have paid anyway for perpetual access would it be ok? - aaron from BuddyFeed
We are currently in our first year of experimenting with PDA. We were able to implement this without too much difficulty working with Coutts, our primary book supply service. We do offer many thousands more books through our catalog system that are automatically purchased if they are viewed (someone connects to the full text content) at least three times. So far just a few hundred books... more... - steven bell
Somewhat off-topic, but every single time I see "PDA," I still translate it in my head as Public Displays of Attention. Clearly, middle school and high school have scarred me for life. /hijack - Katy S
Me too, Katy. It makes me happy when people use DDA (demand-driven) over PDA because I don't have to translate in my head. :) - ellbeecee
PDA = personal digital assistant - Joe
I really appreciate Barbara's column and the voices from the grumpy corner. The pilot PDA project began here prior to my arrival and one thing I noticed right away is that the allocations are *not* being spent down as quickly as everyone on the pilot project team expected. Part of this was that the MARC records for the PDA e-books were not loaded into WorldCat Local - the search tool w/... more... - Galadriel C.
We're swimming, currently about to switch to having what used to be slips put into catalog through YBP/EBL. The stats are super interesting. - Jaclyn aka spamgirl
Jason P
Recommended readings on best practices for creating library instructional videos? (articles or book chapters, OA preferred but not required.) Thanks!
I have seen articles on this (do you have access to a lib lit database?), but for examples and ideas try the ACRL PRIMO collection of instructional materials - there for the sharing - why create something new if someone else already is sharing it http://bit.ly/mZZnom - steven bell
Good idea, Steven. This is for an online class I'm teaching. I'll link to the PRIMO collection for sure. I do have access to a couple of LIS databases, and I have a couple of things I think will work as readings. I just wanted to get any awesome personal recommendations that LSW might have as well. - Jason P
Is the question "Best practices for videos" or "Best practices for library videos"? If the former, I'd look way and outside of libraryland to find good tutorials for video creation. - Jason Griffey
Hm, the context is library videos, but that's a good point. - Jason P
ANTS has a best practices in screencasting wiki: http://ants.wetpaint.com/page... (the whole project is open-source). - kaijsa
Not really best practices, but a nice writeup: http://www.istl.org/10-wint... - JffKrlsn
You guys are great. Thank you all. - Jason P
Derrick
Tried to help a student with MRI+, some business/marketing database. Totally flummoxed. Couldn't even really get to where I could see where one would input anything, nor deduce how to navigate around the interface. Feel like a goober.
And youre a librarian. Imagine how the poor kids feel. You helped the kid realize it's not *him*, it's the stoopit database, and that's a help too - ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
the what database?? I've never even heard of that one. And there's always going to be something that you don't know, but you help as best as you can, ask questions, and learn for the next time. Its what makes you a good librarian - Sir Shuping is just sir
I put it all in the reference form so hopefully someone here has prior experience and can help me with it for the future. - Derrick
I've used MRI a couple of times and it baffles me. I have to get LBC to help me with it every time. - Jason P
I was embarrassed that I didn't even know how to like...get around it. It was all "Sell! Sell! Sell!" - Derrick
I have a libguide for it. I LOVE MRI+. #nerdybizlib :) - ellbeecee
http://research.library.gsu.edu/mediama... (really, am happy to help with it ) and I see Aaron beat me on the link - ellbeecee
haha, awesome. Thanks! - Derrick
I think I still have a help sheet I created for it - it takes a bit of practice to get the hang of it. If you want me to send it to you let me know - bells @ temple.edu - steven bell
I'm liking the help sheets and guide (as I have trouble with MRI too), not that Derrick felt like a goober! Just thought I'd clarify :) - Jen
good, Jen - if anyone notices things that aren't clear, let me know - I'm happy to make edits (and I like my "reading reports" tab far better than the info that comes up when you find the one that other libraries have used (I swear it's like there's just one :p ) - ellbeecee
MRI+ is hard to use, so don't feel bad! I'm glad somebody has a guide for it, because I only have to use it every once in a while, and it always takes a bit of stumbling at first. - kaijsa
Ooh, thanks for the guide! - Jaclyn aka spamgirl
Caitlin
I need some insight as a new librarian. I know I'm supposed to be working toward getting published, but I don't know where to start. How did you all get started? Was it something that evolved organically or did you decide to write something specifically to pursue publication? I need some inspiration and direction, so whatever insight is great.
What are you interested? What lights your board that you love to do, and talk to people about? Once you know that, you can start on a research agenda for it, read the literature, and see what sorts of questions or solutions havent been written about yet. That's one way to get started. - ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
I'm a fan of "have an idea you think you can write about, then shop it around". Mostly because writing to a deadline on a topic I don't love makes me want to cry. - Jenica
If you're not feeling comfortable with a whole article but are going to a conference, look for opportunities to write up the presentations you attend. Serials Review regularly puts out calls for conference reporters on SERIALST--I'm guessing other topic-specific journals do the same. Book reviews are another way to get started. Check the journals for calls for reviewers or their guidelines for reviewers. - Kirsten
Loving the ideas. I've always wanted to be a book reviewer :) I do have some thoughts on topics for articles, but I have to look around at what's been written and what publications are out there. Thanks for those other avenues too Kirsten - that's something I can maybe start to pursue now. - Caitlin
A couple of my articles came out of conference presentations. If you like to present, that might be another way to get going. - RepoRat
Start a good Blog.. write often and then convert your blog entries into a kindle version.. and charge $1.99 per subscription.. extract your posts into chapters and then create a book.. lobby a publication house or just eBook it ! - Peter Dawson
My first article--one of very few "scholarly" ones--came about because I'd done a project with interesting implications that hadn't been written about. My first book came about because there was a gaping void that nobody else would fill. As for Peter Dawson's advice above: I suppose anything's possible, but making big bucks by selling subscriptions to a librarianship blog is...well, good luck with that. - Walt Crawford
I agree with the suggestion to start with presentations - although you have to have a good idea for that as well to get accepted. But by the time you put it all together you'll have the makings of an article. Another suggestion - be a co-author first. When you are new at this it may help to team up with a more experienced author who knows how to get this done. It helps if you can... more... - steven bell
Thank you all. I'm going to have to start scouting around for someone to co-author with. The librarians here really haven't done publishing, and they've talked about co-authoring something about recovering from disaster or working in separate locations for TS/Public, but it has come to naught. I need to get with someone who has done this before :) - Caitlin
Library Journal just put out a call for reviewers as well. What's your email? I 'll see if i can find it. Also, subscribe to the blog http://librarywriting.blogspot.com/ It's a great source of calls for chapters/publications/presentations - Hedgehog
Go Caitlin Go! - Derrick
I will say that neither my presentations nor my articles typically come out of my "oh! I have an idea!" space. (Curiously, a lot of my teaching does.) Usually they come out of my "cripes, this REALLY HONKS ME OFF and I must talk/write about it or I'll freakin' explode" space. YMMV! - RepoRat
ANYONE can get in touch with me - cmoen [at] suno.edu. :) Really appreciate the help and I'm going to go check out that blog right now. - Caitlin
Depending on the magazine/journal you can submit chapter/article ideas and if they like and approve you run with it. - ♫Robot Chicken, Trainer♫
Caitlin --your email gave me a permanent fail....alternate? - Hedgehog
LOL... sorry, combined my personal and work ones. cmoen@suno.edu - Caitlin
I started with newsletter articles, then bulletin reports, some poster presentations, then 15-20 minute presentations on panels, and then some more officialish journal articles. - Joe from iPod
There is really *very very little* published about recovering from disaster, I think mostly because people are too busy actually recovering (being there, doing that) to waste time writing about it, so if you and/or colleagues can get sufficient energy to write about it it'd be brilliant. - Deborah Fitchett
Catherine Pellegrino
a prof just told me that one of her students says she has a $20 app on her iPhone that gives her access to more fulltext journals than she can get through our library. Sounds sketchy to me. Has anybody heard of this? I don't have the name of the app, but the professor is going to ask the student.
*suddenly has a plan for drastically reducing the library's collections budget* - lris
Why, that won't be sketchy at all! There are always magical solutions to problems! My unicorn says so! - Jenica
the only thing that I can think of is that someone's created an ap that's using stolen authentication protocols or passwords for various univ. libraries. - Sir Shuping is just sir
Questia? They've been targeting college students for years. http://www.questia.com/questia... - steven bell
The free Gale app is pretty cool - maʀtha
Questia looks like it might be what she's talking about: $9.95 for access to "more than 77,000 books and over 4 million journal, magazine, and newspaper articles." Needless to say, they don't provide a title list, especially for the journal content. - Catherine Pellegrino
Why does Jenica's unicorn talk? Mine doesn't. Directors always get the good stuff. - Blake
Have you ever seen what happens when you leave your unicorn alone in your office for a few hours? It ain't pretty, is all I'm sayin'. - Catherine Pellegrino
Maybe it's Aaron Swartz's new project... - John Dupuis
Could you please get the name of this app? *tempted* - Aaron the Librarian
john ++ - jambina
Librarian humor makes me so happy. :D - Marie
I figured it was some FriendFeed application with LSW pre-subscribed. - Steele Lawman
the nature app gives you nature content for like <10/month... does deep dyve have an app? - Christina Pikas
ALL of the nature journals, or just the main nature? - Joe
not sure - Christina Pikas
Three years ago a business/IT student told me how he and a couple of friends were sharing a subscription to Questia bcs they cd always add in refs that were authoritative that the prof wd not have seen before. this was a straight A student who was on our library emerging tech committee as a student rep and very dedicated to helping library reach students better... - Kathryn is a free elf
Mr. The Jason Fleming
do you have an official dress code policy for student workers? If so would you mind sharing?
"Dress professionally." Codicil: No skin showing between waistband and shirt hem. (that's the basics from our Circ Supervisor) - Aaron the Librarian
In my summer internship, we were asked not to wear anything that could be worn to the beach and to avoid anything low cut. (Apparently someone had to be sent home last year for problematic cleavage.) - Heather
We invested in some bright red vests that have "library staff" printed on the back. We do require our stack students to wear them so they can be easily identified by those who are looking for some assistance. I'd like to see more of our student workers wearing them - those at service desks. Otherwise we'd be similar to what they do at Aaron's library. - steven bell
We have tshirts from a promotional event a couple weeks ago. Could use those. I wonder how common the practice is to make students wear a "uniform" - Mr. The Jason Fleming
what Aaron said and also to wear closed toed shoes, just too much of a chance of them rolling a cart or dropping a book on their foot. - Sir Shuping is just sir
the phrase "problematic cleavage" amuses me, I will suggest this to the Circ Super as a phrase she can drop to gracefully/humorously convey the idea. - Aaron the Librarian
we are working on something today to send out and have signed by Friday. I'll pass it along when it is ready - Mr. The Jason Fleming
Our circ coordinator just gives some informal guidelines and I don't think we've had any problems. York is actually an interesting place in that we have quite a substantial student population that usually looks like they just stepped out of a nightclub (male and female) as well as quite a substantial population of very religious Muslims. Just yesterday a new female student employee declined to shake my hand. - John Dupuis
Here they are: 1. All shirts must have sleeves. 2. No bare midriffs. Skin and/or undergarments should not be visible between your pants and shirt. 3. No sheer, see-through, or skin-tight materials are to be worn. 4. Shirts with obscenities or suggestive text are not allowed. When you are at work you represent not only the library, but also the college. We want to present a professional,... more... - Mr. The Jason Fleming
Deborah Fitchett
Anyone want to do my homework for me? Looking for articles on the value of decluttering library websites (esp. academic library websites). I find bunches mentioning it in passing or taking it for granted; would love something more detailed explaining/illustrating the why of it. (Non-library focused papers won't sufficiently help my cause alas.)
I heard Aaron Schmidt, who is part of a library web design consulting group, talk at a conference and he made a great case for designing for a mobile interface first - because the design constraints force you to concentrate on the stuff that you should be concentrating on. http://www.walkingpaper.org/3998 - copystar
I don't know anything similar offhand from the library literature but Elsevier published a useful pamphlet that does contain a relevant section "Organize your site based on users’ tasks and their frequency" : http://www.elsevier.com/framewo... - copystar
I don't know if this would have the detail you seek - in terms of how you do it - but it does try to get at the "why" of why we need to declutter and take a different direction altogether http://bit.ly/dzK5p But it is specific to academic libraries. - steven bell
Thanks, Steven - that looks very much like what I need. Mita, I love the One Pager interface - only we've got this university template we have to work within... The Elsevier pamphlet could be useful too, thanks! - Deborah Fitchett
steven bell
Here's why I don't think the Textbook Rebellion approach http://bit.ly/gj9BXb would work for scholarly journals. The users don't pay for it out of the pocket. It's all free from their perspective. It's a lot different when your credit card bill shows up with $1.000 in textbook purchases. Now you want to get involved.
It might work if it came along with a refund of student fees/boost in salary. :-) - Deborah Fitchett
Might work if the serials $ was also assigned around departments and they thought of it as *their* money and not the library's. - ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
the problem with assigning money to the departments, is that then the faculty expect to be able to make collection decisions, and the librarians' professional standing in that area goes down the toilet, as does the ability of the librarians to make trade-offs between departments. - DJF
To be honest, I don't think the Textbook Rebellion will get very far. Textbooks, btw, are literally free to most professors and the price tag is not visible. I just talked to a faculty member who insisted on knowing the price tag before she would consent to review texts. Good for her! (Of course, nobody in editorial knows what the price will be - that's another department - but it's a... more... - barbara fister
If it was targeted to faculty I'd agree, but i believe the rebellion is aimed at the students and seeking to get them riled up and activated to advocate for no or low-cost textbooks - and demand it on their campuses. I agree that for faculty textbooks are more like scholarly journals - since they aren't the party responsible for the payment - cost is not a factor for them.. - steven bell
I'm not optimistic about Textbook Rebellion. Perhaps it and other efforts will raise some awareness and make more professors more concerned about textbook costs (profs here seem to be concerned already). Perhaps there will be a significant change within a limited number of disciplines--I wonder how much a calculus textbook, for example, needs to be changed and updated each year. But... more... - Steele Lawman
A publisher who made a point of affordability and quality - and they aren't mutually exclusive - could clean up. Many faculty care about this issue, but get very little pricing information but lots of strokes from reps. Also, members of congress get heaps of mail about the high cost of college and of books - that's why they passed a law mandating that colleges post required texts and ISBNs at time of registration. Doesn't fix much, but they are aware that citizens are steamed. - barbara fister
Hmm. Now I'm wondering about price-fixing in textbook publishing. - Steele Lawman
I think the goal has to be - and we need to be a part of that effort - to get faculty weened from the traditional textbook process where you just fill out a form and press a button - and presto - students to to the bookstore to do the buying - to a new system using alternate non-textbook approaches. Rentals and e-textbooks help a bit with pricing but are not long term solutions.... more... - steven bell
Pete : Team Marina
I leave Philosophy of Librarianship to others with greater minds to work out :) But basically customer service and informed guess work in the face of the future might feature;) Developments in the Legal Field? I think I have an angle on that. Other Big Thoughts? Hmm...
Customer service? Sounds somewhat bland or generic. Where are you going with the customer service angle? Pete, can you go a little deeper with your philosophy there? Deliver a memorable library experience. Create passionate library users. Establish relationships that build loyalty in the community. Just some thoughts. - steven bell
Steven- sorry, this post is much more tongue in cheek than that :) </dry english wit> I find a lot of library thinking a bit... slogany for my liking. Why memorable? Why passionate? Why does customer service sound any more bland and generic than 'memorable (us) experience' :) I guess ' There is no slogan, only do or do not' gets closer. - Pete : Team Marina
For me- do people get what they want / need? Do they want to come back? Do we respond well to when things don't go so well? This is 'customer service' in a library context. Quantum mechanics it isn't :) - Pete : Team Marina
On a purely personal note, the student satisfaction numbers for the areas I work with are all good and getting better :) And law are paying for me to go to Chicago. So I figure I am building some loyalty and satisfaction there :) - Pete : Team Marina
My bad - thought you might be looking for some thoughts from others. I don't know if I'd call it "slogany" but it can be helpful to express ideas in ways that others remember them or that create some sort of emotional response. Packaging ideas creatively can help achieve that. If you've never read the book Made to Stick you may want to consider it. I suppose do or not do could sum it... more... - steven bell
Steve- points taken. Here, do= do what needs to be done. - Pete : Team Marina
I think if a person wants to publish or lecture on library service, then Steven is right--you need to find a way to package your ideas in a phrase or a slogan. It's the marketing side of being a public library figure. But if what Pete is saying is that he's not that interested in Big Thoughts and instead is looking for what is the core of library service, I think one could do much worse than suggesting that "customer service" and "informed guess work in the face of the future" form a sturdy base. - Steele Lawman
Steve- yes. You don't want me as the public face of 'librarianship' ;) - Pete : Team Marina
Suddenly law becomes more like librarianship? - Aaron the Librarian
Odd, isn't it :) Here we have the LETR, essentially looking at the issues Sarah identified. And our degree at SHU has got a lot more 'clinical' i.e. 'practical' - Pete : Team Marina
All unhappy professions are unhappy in the same way? - Steele Lawman
:) All intermediaries are unhappy in the same way ;) - Pete : Team Marina
Inspired by but not at all relevant to this thread or anyone's points here: http://pegasuslibrarian.com/2011... - lris
See- greater minds ;) - Pete : Team Marina
Caitlin
what is this sense of entitlement? When I was a student I had to buy all my textbooks. So you can only check it out for an hour... or a week... why is this not an awesome service the library is providing so you don't have to purchase every textbook for your classes? Why is this something that is annoying and not good enough for you? *rant over*
Because they want to be lazy and let their reading work languish on their desk for weeks before cramming it before an exam. :P - Hookuh Tinypants
I find it most galling when it's a student wearing expensive clothes, with expensive headphones draped around his/her neck, etc., who I just heard talking about all of the bars s/he went to the weekend before. I understand that textbooks are expensive and for some a financial burden, but I've also seen many who simply choose to spend their money on other things. I have little sympathy for the latter group. - Katy S
Man, when I couldn't afford textbooks all for myself, I'd find friends or classmates to split the cost with. It lessened the cost burden and gave me an instant study group! Students are lucky that schools and profs are making the effort to have copies available for reviewing in the library. Granted it means you can't work at your own leisure, but at least it's *something*. And it helps to instill better study habits in students having to plan time to go to the library to check the book out for a few hours. - Hookuh Tinypants
Close to verbatim answer given when asked that question: "I've always gotten whatever I asked for, by my parents or "the system" or just by whining enough, so why shouldn't I expect more at no cost to me?" - Aaron the Librarian
Aaron, there's a kind of reasonable logic to that answer, as distasteful as it is. - Rachel Walden
Agreed. I still don't have a good response beyond playing to the students' sense of égalité. - Aaron the Librarian
Privilege is certainly an issue here. However it's also worth mentioning that students are given books in K-12 for their studies. In upper grades these books are checked out to them individually rather than in a class set. Usually this involves going to the library and getting your materials for the year on the first day of each class. It might be confusing to students who have been... more... - Soup in a TARDIS
The question I have is: If tuition was raised enough to cover the average (or the 75th percentile) per-student cost of the books and then books were supplied at no charge, would the students still choose to attend the "more expensive, but free books" school? And the corollary: would the school still provide the books for free 10 years later? - Aaron the Librarian
Soup - books weren't given to us when/where I went to high school (and all of k-12, really). At the schools around here, you either buy them or rent them. And, they were picked up in the individual classrooms, along with a lecture about taking care of them in the case of rented books. - Katy S
And if there is a book that does circulate, heaven forbid another student have beaten them to it... - Hedgehog
@Katy, Really? How interesting. I never experienced this in K-12 (I suspect if they tried to fly such a program 95% of the student body would be unable to afford them or would simply refuse to). What happened to kids without the funds? - Soup in a TARDIS
Kids/families who can't afford them get reduced rates or free books to use/rent. From what I understand, it works a lot like the reduced-/free- lunch program. - Katy S
@Katy, well that's good to hear. - Soup in a TARDIS
It is, but the costs are still high. My sister just paid a pretty large chunk of change for book rental fees for her kids. It adds up. - Katy S
It's just so frustrating. I always put in extra time in my schooling to look for cheap copies of books online and track them down myself. If I didn't have the book, it was my own fault. I think it's pretty awesome that this library has some books and I'm sick of hearing, "there's a LOT this library doesn't have." Really? I would guess so, since everything was lost in Katrina and you pay less than $2000/semester for tuition. Who would you like to pay for these books?? - Caitlin
I can't believe the K12 books though - Katy, where does that happen? - Caitlin
Indiana. I don't know about other states. - Katy S
we never had to buy any books for k-12, i was shocked that there are so many fees in my current county for AP classes and the like. It really keeps the poor kids from moving up. they qualify for a free lunch that is normally a buck or two - how could they afford books for ap classes? - Christina Pikas
Seconding what Katy said--my mom paid rental fees for our books at another Indiana school. - Hedgehog
Public education is less public all the time. Sad face. - barbara fister
True that. and I agree that it is sad - we never had to pay to rent textbooks where I grew up (Minnesota) and I know it would be a hardship for many families. The whole atmosphere of education is changing, or so it seems. - Caitlin
That would be awful to pay for your K-12 textbooks, especially when you have no choice but to take those classes and use those books, unlike university where you can opt to not take certain classes or select a class based on the required materials. I don't know if all of California is the same anymore, but I know my old school district still gives out textbooks for free. Each... more... - Hookuh Tinypants
All of CA gives out the textbooks at no charge still, Tiny. This might not apply to non-public schools - Soup in a TARDIS
Oh nice. Yeah, wasn't sure with the current economic yuckies if we had any districts that had to start charging. Good to know we can still support a few of the basics of a public education, I guess. - Hookuh Tinypants
Yup. Unfortunately a current trend has been to move away from individual literary texts and switch to readers that include chapters or portions of books and plays. It's more cost effective but for districts that don't supplement it is now entirely possible for a California student to never read a complete work of fiction after about grade 5 or 6. - Soup in a TARDIS
I remember my parents having to pay for my book rental all through the time I went from K to 10 in Indianapolis Public Schools. For 11 & 12 I think the books were paid for along with room and board at Indiana Academy. After that, I expected to have to resume paying for books in college, and I did. - Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
Apparently Indiana is one of three US states where parents pay rental fees for K-12 textbooks. In the remaining 47 states they are provided free of charge. - Soup in a TARDIS
Way to Go Indiana! Er... Wait... no, we're losing and backward. Again. - Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
It seems like the issue is expectations as much as entitlement. Why weren't these students prepared for having to buy books in college? - Steele Lawman
It's not just the students. Faculty worry a lot about assigning "expensive" text books (in my humanities areas these are usually 50-60 dollars... they should see the sciences!). We go round and round with professors trying to find ethical/legal ways to have their students do all this coursework without paying more than is absolutely necessary for textbooks. - lris
Our school is having a textbook swap, which is great, but it doesn't happen until Sept 7th. Um... classes started August 22... - Caitlin
Is that after drop/add? - Steele Lawman
I went to a conference for writing instructors who are in many cases contingent and poor. The receptions by the big textbook publishers were unbelievable. One was at the Braves stadium (batting cages open to play in) with heaps of food and an open bar with any kind of seriously hard liquor you wanted refilled as often as you wanted. No wonder the students get to pay $50 plus for a paperback writing handbook. - barbara fister
I assume you were at 4Cs - that sounds about right. - Katy S
UW-La Crosse has textbook rental too - it's an awesome service. Wish they had it when I went to college (stone age!) - Jen
Aw, Barbara, if I'd known you were at 4C's I would have had my wife, Shanon, look out for you. - Steele Lawman
i was whining about the cost of textbooks (each less than $100) when i talked to a colleague at the office ... her son is starting at loyola marymount and one of his textbooks is $240*!!!!* wow - henry
Our library is currently supporting 11 faculty from multiple disciplines in an "alternative textbook" project in which the faculty are "ditching the textbook" and replacing it with OER, library content, their own original content, etc. They are rolling out their alternative textbooks this semester. The estimated savings to the students in all the courses will be in the many thousands of... more... - steven bell
Steven, PLEASE PLEASE publish as much as you can about that! OA needs all the success stories it can muster. I, too, run my classes off OA content (usually not OER specifically, but reports, whitepapers, blogs, pre/postprints, etc) as much as possible -- if anything, my students pay more for software than info resources. ;) - RepoRat
Most of my professors at OSU tried to get away from the textbooks as much as possible, providing us electronic bundles of papers, articles, excerpts, etc. I had one professor whose entire "textbook" packet one term was a list of academic articles and papers that we had to go find ourselves in the library. He felt this was an excellent way to cut down on paper-wasting and it familiarized... more... - Hookuh Tinypants
Steven, I'm really looking forward to hearing more about that and how the students react, workload on the instructors, etc.! - Rachel Walden
That sounds awesome Steven - I also like the idea of having a list of articles as the required reading, which brings users into the library and gets them used to accessing "real-life" resources. How often in your professional life do you turn to a textbook for an answer? Yet how often do you read articles to get answers or stay current? Love this idea. - Caitlin
A colleague at U Mass Amherst learned of the project after we had selected our winning faculty proposals, and their provost liked the idea and decided to fund it. I am sure there are others giving this sort of thing a try - and I would hope there'd be an opportunity to share the results with others. I was originally inspired to put energy into the textbook problem after hearing a panel... more... - steven bell
Kathy
Listening to not one, but two colleagues over-answer a student's question. Cringing behind my monitors.
:( - Katy S
(liking for your self-restraint in not going out and interrupting) - Kirsten
Oh, the over-answering! I'm cringing in sympathy over here. - Catherine Pellegrino
I was this close >< just now. But I think I stopped in time. - Steele Lawman
Last week I came across a good piece by an administrator on "How you know you're a helicopter parent". Could you come up with a list for "How You Know You're an Over-Answering Librarian"...You know you're an over-answering librarian if...a student is begging you for permission to get to class" - steven bell
... the student's eyes glazed over 20 minutes ago and they repeat "uh huh" at 45-second intervals. - Kirsten
...they are texting. - Steele Lawman
From this one interaction, helicoptering is any time they are walking backwards out your office door, if you hear the phrase "but I don't have one of those..." repeated, or if you use any of the words/phrases more than three times: can't, don't, someday, when I was in _____, or this is my office. - Kathy
The second time they say "Yeah, that's OK..." - Steele Lawman
Rachel Walden
Creative brains of the LSW! If you could repurpose/redesign an area of your library space for any purpose and any way you wanted, what would you do? Trying to get my thinking-about-creative-uses-for-our-space juices flowing.
Would have much more comfortable seating, couches, lamps, stuff like that. Of course, some peeps might use the couches for sleeping, but it creates more of an at home feel. - Joe
We really could use a better eating space--the students come here after their buildings have closed to study and eat all over the library because the corralled food space is SO unattractive. Also, we need a coffee maker and a microwave. - Hedgehog
Plugs everywhere. Spaces for people to create and learn. and DON"t MOVE THE FURNITURE WHEN PEOPLE MOVE IT. - ♫Robot Chicken, Trainer♫
Small group meeting/study rooms outfitted with content creation hardware/software (cameras, microphones, software to make use of those things, etc.). - WebGoddess
More seating and comfortable seating. We need more of it. I want more of a family room sort of feel to it. - Andy
I love Webgoddess's idea, but practically speaking, I'd just put in more study rooms, as ours are insanely in demand. - laura x
Great stuff so far, thanks. One thing I wonder about is if there were some more modular/adaptable spaces (rolling white boards, etc.), if it would get used or just ignored in favor of more "defined" space. - Rachel Walden
Add a million outlets. Make everything modular and movable. Change the architecture so it is easier to create louder and quieter spaces (this also has to do with the locations of the computer workstations and our incredibly open, loud lobby and atrium). More comfy chairs, definitely. More individual carrels and fewer large tables. A million study rooms. One thing we have now is tons of natural light and big windows in all of the patron areas. - maʀtha
Rachel, Steelcase has some great studies on when their modular stuff gets moved and when it doesn't. They've done anthropological work to see how and why students move the stuff around. I'd check out their site - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Folks have had great ideas here! I also love those diner booths for group work in a semi-enclosed environment, and in a dream situation, a shared monitor that multiple laptops can plug in to at places set up for group work - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Rudy, thank you! Had not heard about that! - Rachel Walden
we have these awesome pods that studetns can book with a monitor that can be live from any laptop in the room, plus a whiteboard with markers. they are pretty soundproof too. https://secure.flickr.com/photos... and we have fun modular furniture you can arrange however ya like, and banquettes with shared monitor and whiteboards - https://secure.flickr.com/photos... - jambina
Ooh, those are neat - Rachel Walden
We just finished putting together a flex-study space (that's what I came up with - better name ideas?) that basically took an underused space and put in a "create a study room on the fly" space using collapsible walls. http://bit.ly/q0eMyr While we certainly can use more study space that's hardly a creative/dream repurposing of space. If I could do one thing it would be a redesigned... more... - steven bell
steven, that's one thing I'm really thinking about, too - whether there are ways to design space so that partnerships/interactions/collaborations between library staff and users are fostered. collaboration between users themselves are great, but what with ERIAL and all... - Rachel Walden
I have a fairly small library for our student body of 7000 students, about 30,000 sq feet with most of it for collections. But our main floor is an amazing open area with fantastic natural light pretty well all year round. I'd like to repurpose the collections space to more people space. A mistake we made with the reno 7 years ago was not differentiating our quiet & collaborative spaces... more... - John Dupuis
What I'd like to see is a somewhat dispersed librarian office situation, where the offices are located near some set of call numbers appropriate to their liaison areas. And where seating in call number areas is appropriate to the topic on the shelves -- Art would have big tables and great light, and maybe some easels; Foreign languages would have conversation zones as well as areas set up for headset work, etc. - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Rudi, we're medical, but I can see how that concept could apply here. I would also like to have some art around and tools for creativity and content production. Hmmm. - Rachel Walden
I would have a line of computers separate from our computer lab, available for use even when BI sessions are happening. Maybe when the new library opens :( - Caitlin
I'd get rid of half our nonfiction collection, and add more public computers, create more public meeting rooms/community rooms, add a kitchen for cooking classes, a fully equipped computer lab for training/creation, a maker lab, and a vertical farm. But if we can't do all that, more community/meeting rooms for programming and whatnot. - John: Thread Killer
Cool ideas. I want a faculty lounge with a conversation area and a quiet work area and a space for small group meetings. I also want somehow to have the librarians' offices all open onto a common space that is also open to students. I've seen lounge areas in some academic departments where majors can mingle with their professors. I want that. Oh, and an awesome coffee maker. - barbara fister
Brian Mathews
kendrak
Anybody know of a scan/print station that would be good for a small library? Something for the public?
This is one of the less expensive turnkey systems that should perform well in a public library - it's found in many libraries - the instructions are simple to follow and you can save or email the scan http://bit.ly/n37xJA - steven bell
Ha! That's what we just bought. Problem is, we can't afford the print station the main library wants us to use but I don't think we can afford not to. - kendrak
This thing is a good scanner, http://library.du.edu/goodans... BookScan Station, http://bookscanstation.com/ - Joe
We just acquired a Savin C9120 printer - it came in yesterday so I've had next to no experience with it. It was a replacement for our old copier. It does color and black and white copies, it scans, you can network it (haven't done that yet). - Gershbec
RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Academic library people: Interested in Leadership? Help me establish an ACRL Leadership Discussion Group! http://deepening.wordpress.com/2011...
Page not found? Sounds interesting, but I don't have $$ right now for ACRL. - Hedgehog
sorry Abs! In my multitasking, I forgot to publish the page :) It's published now. - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Ah...see the updated do you want leadership or management discussion group? - Hedgehog
leadership leadership leadership leadership! - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
did I accidentally say management somewhere? I hope not! It;s to be very specifically a Leadership thing. - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
text of the petition says "leadership and management" - holly #ravingfangirl
In the other FF thread, you did say Management…but in either case, you're probably going to run afoul of the ALA bylaw I quoted. - Jason Griffey
I've never heard of that bylaw being enforced at the discussion group level, although I suppose there's a first time for everything. (My only memory of enforcement was an attempt to set up a full-scale section. There are already committees and IGs/DGs that could theoretically run afoul of that bylaw.) - Walt Crawford
Honestly Walt, I have been hoping in a year or two this would have enough interest to move to a Section within ACRL. But if the bylaws forbid it, we can work without it (by the way, 20 signatures in under an hour. Given the potential conflict here, I'd like a landslide of signatures to help show desire/need for the group) - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Yeah, I'm not aware of a Discussion group ever being shut down by this. Just pointing it out to warn you just in case it DOES come up. - Jason Griffey
Jason, I appreciate it. - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
At the point that you talk Section, a lot depends on the leadership at LLAMA--noting that the second L stands for Leadership--and the way the group's charge is written. Since I won't be involved (being a member of neither), I'll let it go at that... - Walt Crawford
Not to dampen your enthusiasm, but we already have LLAMA - an entire division devoted to leadership and management. Would a discussion group in ACRL overlap with their programs and groups. Unless you can make the case that leadership is different enough in higher ed (e.g., leading on campus) - steven bell
Steven, that is the bulk of the case in the petition-- leadership as a primary emphasis is only part of it, but leadership within an academic context, faculty issues, professional organizations, leading from the middle, are all uniquely flavored by academic contexts. Also, I was originally going to propose an Interest group, and the prep for that revealed that there are leadership committees inside 3 ACRL sections already (which I think strengthens the case for an ACRL-wide group...) - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
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