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John Dupuis
RT @BenedictEvans: Business books are basically romance novels for men. Silly fantasies, terrible writing, large type, cheap paper and one good idea per book.
From what little I've seen of romance novels, this comparison is terribly unfair. To romance novels, that is. - walt crawford
I concur with Walt. That comparison is insulting to romance novels. If anything, business books more often than not fall in the same pap category as most self-help books. - Angel R. Rivera
Most business books are really a one page article struggling to get out. - John Dupuis
As someone who finds value in business books (and just like romance books - some are great reads while others are just trash), consider Jim Collins' latest book "Great by Choice" - based on an analysis of the performance data of 20,000 companies between 1965 to 2002.- probably a bit more than you could share in a one page article. From this Collins offers managers and leaders five big... more... - steven bell
So let's look at Collins's choices and his controls. His choices for outperformers include Microsoft, and his controls include Apple. Okay then. - RepoRat
Well, just like romance books, there are good business books and bad business books. I'm sure the best romance novels are just as worth reading as the best business books. Christensen's Innovator's Dilemma is a good example of a good business book. - John Dupuis
Right, DJF. Which calls a lot of business-book methodology into question, I should think, for problems of survivorship bias (and other sample cherrypicking), incomplete data, and post-hoc-ergo-propter-hoc. (I agree with John that Christensen's work tends to be more rigorous, though I think some of his later books have gone off the rails.) - RepoRat
I will invoke Sturgeon's Law. 90% of every kind of book is crap. - John Dupuis
walt crawford
Hmm. Going through Penn. libraries, I hit Jersey Shore--and thought maybe I'd been mishearing Billy Joel's Allentown. I assumed he meant they went down to Atlantic City or elsewhere on the New Jersey shoreline for weekends, not to a nearby town. But, after a little checking: Nope, it was "the Jersey shore"...
...and Jersey Shore, apart from apparently not being resort material, is actually two miles more distant from Allentown than Atlantic City. Ah well. (Yes, I know, "Allentown" is really about Bethlehem, NJ, but never mind.) - walt crawford
Trust me, they'd be better off going to the Jersey shore than to Jersey Shore for a fun weekend. - LB needs a hero!
After looking up a little more about Jersey Shore, I most definitely believe you. I won't say there's no there there, but it doesn't seem overrun with hotels, restaurants and attractions. Well, there is a steel mill... - walt crawford
I go by JS every so often traveling west on Rt. 80 - across Pennsylvania. Not much in JS, but it is the start (or end) point of pine creek rail trail. It goes about 60 miles north through the pennsylvania forests on to the grand canyon of PA. I've ridden this trail (not all at once) and it is a fantastic outdoor experience. It is certainly one reason to visit JS. - steven bell
[My comment was swallowed by a momentary FF outage.] Around these parts, I don't know of any community that isn't within minutes of wonderful outdoor experiences, but I'm spoiled. Livermore itself keeps expanding its multiuse trail system. Good to hear JS also has great outdoor experiences; every town & city should. - walt crawford
Am feeling sad about CiL. Does anyone know if all speakers have been notified?
I was wondering the same thing... - walt crawford
in the same boat as you. - LibrarianOnTheLoose
Just change your name to Lee Rainie and show up. - lris
Iris is a genius. - kendrak
LOL Iris. - Catherine Pellegrino
Hell's nowhere near enough frozen over for me to change my name to Lee Rainie, thank you. - walt crawford
Aw. A lot of what Pew does is super-useful. It's just when they try to get cute about it that they get stupid instead (also see Scalzi on the failure mode of clever). - RepoRat
Cecily: What RR sez, but more specifically I dislike being called negative things by them and the overall attitude of MORE DIGITAL! MORE ONLINE! that pervades Rainie's reporting and their reports. I regard them as an advocacy outfit more than a research outfit. That may be unfair. - walt crawford
Er, what's there to sad about with CiL? Did a quick google & twitter search and didn't see anything... - John Dupuis
Just sad about me not notified about speaking at CiL. I dont think. And therefore maybe, me not going? - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
I asked two of our librarians who submitted a proposal to CiL. They were notified last week the proposal had been accepted. - steven bell
One thing that disturbs me about IL/CIL is how many times some speakers appear in a single conference. If you are are on the organizing committee, I don't think it's cool putting yourself for, like, five sessions. It's not as if there aren't other talented and able folk out there who would appreciate the opportunity - copystar from iPod
I can see why they do it, though; it's cheaper. Pay one airfare/hotel tab, get more hours' worth of content. - RepoRat
Sure, it's cheaper and Information Today is a for-profit business. For kicks, I looked em up in the D&B database we have. It's estimated that they do $10,600,000 in sales a year. Just sayn' - copystar
It's a private company so detailed financial information is limited. - copystar
Frankly, I thought IL/CIL would circle the drain years ago because they're so inbred and repetitive, but InfoToday does seem to be making 'em work. Not sure if it reflects poorly on InfoToday so much as on librarianship generally. - RepoRat
I've never been to an IL/CIL, and only submitted this time because I'm doing a book with ITI and they (the book side) thought I should. As a book publisher (and magazine publisher), ITI is professional and a real pleasure to work with. - walt crawford
Wait -- You have a book with ITI and your proposal wasn;t accepted? that's completely borked! Isn't it? - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Except there's always an author's panel.... - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
I was kind of done with CIL a few years ago.. i guess I might go again after a while but i found that it was really the same people saying the same things. - Christina Pikas
What Chris sez. The book side is pretty much separate from the magazine/newsletter/conference side. (And my last column on the magazine side is now finished.) I will diplomatically choose not to comment on repetitive speakers and the organizing committee/eternal speaker overlap. - walt crawford
Cool. I'll yield that as a truth :) - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
So does what makes it continue to work the content or the fact that many of the same folks attend and there's a social scene they like to be a part of - the networking piece of any conference. True - many of the same folks talking about the same stuff - but these conferences continue to serve as a venue for those who haven't presented much to get their foot in the door. - steven bell
I went to CiL once about 5 or 6 years ago. And definitely it would have been completely pointless for me to have gone for the year or two after that time due to the speaker/topic overlap. The speakers/topics now seem different enough that I might consider going again one of these days, even if I'm not quite as interested in chasing the shiny as I was a few years ago. - John Dupuis
And I seem to remember Christina being at the one I went to. And believe me, Christina, you will be missed at scio12! - John Dupuis
After the vendor demo of Summon yesterday, I think that Summon is above the competition in the discovery market. However, I now utterly resent the product because of the aggressive and argumentative sales rep.
may I suggest that it might be useful to report this back to Serials Solutions, and/or say it on your blog as well? - RepoRat
Yeah, we'll see if I come up with anything to write semi-formally, but those thoughts have crossed my mind. - lris
I agree. I'm sure Jane Burke would want to hear from you. Mention it on your blog? Perhaps after speaking to Jane - the post might share what the response was from the top, and a post might reflect badly on SerSol - when if might just be this one rep who has an issue. - steven bell
Well, pragmatically, some vendors will play gotcha with librarians, complaining up the librarian's chain of command and whatnot. Dirty pool? Sure. But it's a consideration. - RepoRat
Fair question Steve. I'd like to give the rep the benefit of the doubt - maybe having a bad day - perhaps in need of more training - maybe just off their game this time. If the rep isn't named in the post - and I doubt you'd do that - then others who read may it may be put off by all of this vendor's reps. Think of it this way. One reference librarian is having a bad day - in a bad mood... more... - steven bell
It's funny because the more I think about this the more I realize that I'm not particularly interested in reporting vendor reps that rub me wrong (I'd have to quit my day job to keep up with that hobby). I'll spout off here briefly in frustration, sure, but I don't really consider it my duty to fix the situation. - lris
I *am* interested in learning whether the points he was making reflect SS philosophy, though, because when I write on my blog I usually abstract the situation to make broader points than "this guy was weird." That's far less interesting to me than whether the philosophies he was pushing are indicative of the company's goals. If they are, that's something that I think people will be... more... - lris
I don't know if people have seen my colleague Bill Denton's post on what the damn things cost: Yeah, we're investigating too. - John Dupuis
I had an interesting talk with an ACS rep. Basically, their answer to my being upset about a 22% increase in costs is the same as Nature's was with U of CA - you had too good a consortial deal and we're making prices more normal now. And we take into account your size and use etc. - it's "value pricing" - and it's still a 22% increase. When a secret deal is too good it's a gateway drug. I remember the moment I got hooked on ACS - it was one hell of a good deal. - barbara fister
yep yep yep yep yep. Ken Frazier warned us about that, but did we listen? noooooooooooo... (and ironically, Ken's own library system didn't listen either) - RepoRat
I don't have any hard numbers, but last year Summon sales offered our UL a deeply discounted deal (which would have helped make Summon a "consortial product" presumably) Also this offer had a ridiculously short deadline. It happened around this time last year... oh, and look... I have been invited to a meeting called "New Committee (URM/Discovery Layer Assessment) for next week. Funny that. - copystar
Mita, that sounds strangely familiar. Or perhaps not so strangely. - John Dupuis
the challenge with being part of such a geographically diffuse group is that it challenges our ability to talk about things like this as candidly as we might like, sub rosa. - DJF
αnnα vαȵ scoyoç
hey, LSWers -- who among you has probably been in librarianship the longest?????
*points mutely at Walt* - RepoRat
let's see if walt thinks so! :) - αnnα vαȵ scoyoç
If you define "in librarianship" loosely enough (the whole degree thing)...full time (or at least 3/4 time) since 1968, part-time (student) since 1963. - walt crawford
I graduated library school in 1977 and started my first full time library position in 1978. So Walt has me beat on this one. - steven bell
Yes, Steven, but you've actually been in libraries as a librarian. I was only in libraries from 1963-1979, and never acting as a librarian or even librarian-equivalent. And you're still there, while I'm fading away... - walt crawford
thanks!!! i always wondered....i was telling someone earlier today about the LSW FF, especially about the variety of libraries, areas of expertise, etc.... i know library students and new librarians participate, but i wasn't sure about just how long some of the LSW peeps had been doing the library thing [with or sans degree]. a wealth of information -- all of you!!!! - αnnα vαȵ scoyoç
I am in the middle of the pack, Grad student in 1993, full time in 1995-present. - Joe
Degreed up in 1989 when I was 2 years old. Working in libraries since 1987. - Kathryn is a free elf
Started as an infant, huh. - Joe
Ditto Joe above, for me... Does 1991-1993 a Page/Library Assistant I/Library Assistant III in the NYPL Special Collections count for or against me? ;) - Aaron the Librarian
First (part time, summer) library job in 1993; first full-time job in 2000; degreed in 2004. So pretty close to Steve's median, actually. - Catherine Pellegrino
80-82 as a shelver. 85-86 as a circ clerk. Steadily since 95 in Reference. Does my service as the Best Library Helper at Hudson Grade School from 1968-1974 count? - Rochelle *boom* Hartman
In the median - degreed Dec. 2000, first position Jan. 2001. - Galadriel C.
degreed Dec. 2000, first position July 2001 (but doing a bunch of 10-hour librarian-type jobs in between) - bentley
Student worker 1998-2000, para 2002-2006, MLIS'ed since 2006. - Rachel Walden
student worker 1992-1995, corporate pigdog 1996-2002, student worker 2002-2004, MSIS'd since 2004 - ellbeecee
December of 1998 is when I started my first library job. - WebGoddess
I think my first library staff job was in 1993. Maybe 94. Degreed in 2008. - Jason P
Degree and first professional job in 1993, but had worked steadily in libraries since high school. Having both parents work in libraries has its perks! - Jen
first library job in 1996 and MLIS degree in 1998. - Elizabeth Brown
Oh, I forgot I worked the circ desk at college from 1985-89.... - Joe
2005-. Dunno why y'all let me teach library school, n00b that I am. - RepoRat
2005--trying to catch up to all the more recent than me who are kicking butt and taking names... - Hedgehog
when initially asked, i was thinking involved with/experience working in libraries -- in the working sense [not as patrons]; i didn't even think about pre-degree vs. post-degree [GASP!] i think i'm a bit of an anomaly -- i didn't work in a library until i started library school. - αnnα vαȵ scoyoç
been working in a library since 1990. :) - holly #ravingfangirl
started MLIS degree in 2004, earned degree in 2006, started working in libraries in 2006 :) - John: Thread Killer
Part-time 2005, full-time 2006, degree 2007. I shelved books in elementary school for a year or two circa 1987. - laura x
i shelved books in my mom's library in middle school, and had library as my homeroom in middle school too.... does that count? - ~Courtney F
Started in libraries August 2002. Got MSc in 2004. - Pete's Got To Go
Internship: 1993. Degree: 1995. Full-time: 1996-present. *shakes cane* - LB needs a hero!
Started MLS 2002, degree 2004, working full time ever since - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Have you ever presented a poster at ALA? What did you present about? Did you feel it was worthwhile?
Yes. "Nailing Jello to the Wall" (Assessment Rubrics for Library Services -specifically not instruction). Yes, but... not enough people have the time to hit all the posters. - Aaron the Librarian from Android
Yes. A couple of years ago on some blendedlibrarian research. You won't get as much traffic as you do at ACRL - where there is a "no conflict" time for posters. At ACRL the posters always get big traffic. But in a way that's not terrible at ALA as you get to spend more time conversing with those who stop by. I enjoy doing a poster session from time to time. A tip - look into using... more... - steven bell
thanks for that tip, Steven -- that is ace! - RepoRat
Anyone search using DIALOG? It's one our next unit of study in my science and tech reference class.
Someone showed me Dialog about ten years ago and I have never used it since. - Jason P
My professor is apparently a big fan. - Derrick
if you get dialog classic, then other databases will make more sense and be easier. they have that fancy smancy interface now that looks just like everything else... but ahhh classic. I use it at work if I need some strange db we don't have a license to. - Christina Pikas
I think a lot of professors still teach DIALOG bc its the granddaddy of all databases (at least I think of it that way) and like Christina says with dialog classic makes searching other databases make sense, especially lexisnexis. that being said I haven't looked at it since lib school - Sir Shuping is just sir
Up until a year ago, we were still paying some small amount of money to have access to DIALOG. I asked why. We're now no longer paying that small amount of money. - Catherine Pellegrino
Never seen it, but I've heard about it in stories and textbooks. - ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
haven't really used it in practice either, but I learned it in lib school also. definitely agree that it helps you make sense of database searching in general though. - holly #ravingfangirl
So it's like how learning Latin will help your Spanish and French, even though you'll never need to speak Latin? - Jason P
i've used it. secretly i love it. but i'd never wish it on any user. - jambina
I used to teach it. Carol Tenopir once said studying Dialog is like going to auto shop and pulling apart the engine of a sportscar piece by piece to see how everything works -- only for database searching instead of cars. We use it for a few things, but not a lot at my library. We may do away with it in the next few years. - LibrarianOnTheLoose
I learned how to use it in library school and actually found it pretty enjoyable. I understand why it's not regularly used but I liked wrangling wit it. #gluttonforpunishment - Hedgehog
We had one class session (maybe two?) on it in library school (in 2002ish), and I can't say I learned much from that experience that was useful in a lasting way. It did impress upon me the importance of planning out a search ahead of time instead of just flinging keywords at the database willy-nilly, but now that databases don't charge by the search any more (....right?) that's not as... more... - Catherine Pellegrino
I love it for the reasons Christina and Elaine mention. Makes you think about searching in a new way. - kendrak from FFHound(roid)!
Used it all the time in 1994. - Gershbec
It does some SERIOUSLY BADASS things that other databases really kind of can't. ("Which restaurants in my area do more than $X in business in a year?" types of questions.) I miss it some days! But yeah, it's a beast. I'll tell you what my DIALOG teacher told me: no matter what the question is with respect to DIALOG, the answer is "it's in the bluesheets!" - RepoRat
I LOVED learning DIALOG. Then again, I also loved learning Latin. And yes, what they've all said about how much it teaches you about databases and search queries, and how much control it gives you. I loved it because I always knew EXACTLY what I was actually searching, which I pretty much never know in most modern standard databases. - laura x
Thanks for the perspective, y'all. I'm looking forward to playing around with it this week. And I'm thankful that they gave us the hookup so we or the university doesn't have to pay. - Derrick
Had a whole class on it in lib school. Loved it. Haven't used it since about 2002. And kinda agree on the Latin analogy, as well as sort of internalizing Boolean operators, field searching, and complex expressions. - Laura Norvig from iPhone
just reading the word makes me drool...I loved using it in GSLIS...bluesheets! Now you've got me wondering what it would take to audit that class again, just so I could play... :) the word proximity search was so much fun... - Eric Sizemore
that is, 90% of the time, way more powerful than you need, but absolutely essential for that other 10%, and an expert can make it sing. - DJF
I think one of my colleagues finally disposed of a couple of decades worth of DIALOG documentation when we moved offices, but I wouldn't be surprised if he secretly squirreled them away in his office. - kaijsa
You'll probably never have to use it again, but it's a good exercise in thinking through what you actually need to look for. - Rachel Walden
fun times! - maʀtha
Laura x, I loved learning DIALOG too - and I've had to use it since. Former workplace had a login, and there were some very specialized business sources available. I had to use it twice in 3 years there to help students. It kind of made me feel like an old-school librarian and I wanted to have my hair up in a bun. - ellbeecee
Have used it, taught it and would often rather use it than the stuff we get from the popular aggregators. If you have a chance - check out the FINDER Files (e.g., company name finder, product finder) - and the RANK command and the REPORT command (for numeric files). Ask your instructor to demo these. Also, citation searching in the ISI files on dialog is superior to web of science. If you can figure out dialog, you can search anything they can throw at you. - steven bell
I use STN about once a year for access to a specific database that is rarely used anymore. STN is pretty Dialogish. (Check that, I actually use instead.) - Joe
Hey Derrick - are they still teaching LIS students any native mode Lexis/Nexis? That's another good one to learn if they still have it. Anyone fans of HLEAD or ATLEAST out there? - steven bell
holly #ravingfangirl
wait. there are people that take klout seriously?!?!?
What is klout? Is that like I Am Kloot? - Zamms
a bunch of people in my twitter stream are freaking out about some change they made to the algorithm. *headdesk* - holly #ravingfangirl
I'm still confused about why I should even care what Klout says. It's bad enough they spell the word with a K. Now I have to actually care about them too? - Hookuh Tinypants
nooooooooo, don't fall for it, Tinypants! fight the Klout! - holly #ravingfangirl
The only thing I know about Klout is that my number was/is high enough that it got me an early invite to Spotify. Other than that, I don't even know (or care) what it is. - Rochelle
Klout was a fun thing to game, but I don't see the actual influence. Instead, it's like one of those quarter fortune machines that says I'm awesome but not how I'm awesome. - Andy
heh. I like that analogy, Andy. - holly #ravingfangirl
Must admit, on reading tweets from [some library person I somewhat respect] about monitoring his Klout score, I was surprised: "You mean non-SEOs actually *monitor* their Klout scores?" - walt crawford
FWIW, the media and communications people here take Klout pretty seriously. It's clearly BS but the correlation between it and non-BS is close enough to make it interesting to marketing types. - John Dupuis
I ceasted taking it seriously when I looked up Steve Abram and it said he is influential about "lighthouses" - LibrarianOnTheLoose
Also, what Rochelle said. Spotify invite to be sure - LibrarianOnTheLoose
It's even worse, when you realize some HR people take Klout, and similar services, seriously. - OCoG of FF, Jimminy
I don't get Klout. I suppose as a marketer I should find it helpful...but I haven't been able to find any use from it. - Tamara, #TeamMarina
If you are an xtranormal fan you'll probably like this: - steven bell
HAHAHAHA! love. it. - holly #ravingfangirl
Oddly, Klout just sent me email about something-or-other and said I should check in. So I did...and, before getting to anything more useful than "Add your Facebook account!" Klout's server timed out, yielding a 505. I'm impressed... - walt crawford
Do you host web -inars, -casts, conferences, or other virtual discussion thingies? What do you use? Does your library/campus have a platform? Are there good free ones out there? If you have a paid one, would you let an outsider use it for free? (one of the groups I chair has decided to try to hold a virtual discussion, but have no idea how to host
We have webex, started messing around with it a bit. Not so much discussion, as more lecture style. I did 3 so far, including one for Endnote that was attended by 100+. Might try a more discussion type session for smaller groups. Not sure if there are many free ones particularly if you want to allow >15 people. - aaron
We use webex (not free), but I have heard good things about DimDim. You could also get a free 30 day trial of GoToMeeting. - Laura Norvig from iPhone
Another up and coming free service seems to be I haven't tried it though. Generally the issue with free stuff is the pesky ads. - Laura Norvig from iPhone
The Illuminate/Blackboard thing went great today. And, I was just an attendee for a smallish one with Adobe Connect. Worked just fine - Joe
The one that I used for free from went ok, but we had some audio issues over IP. That may not have been a problem with anymeeting, though. - Joe
I promote WebEx because of its cross-platform capabilities. - Julian
I have not tried it yet but it looks like the Google + Hangout has some potential for a virtual meeting where everyone can use a webcam. I have watched youtube video of meetings in this space and it does work. Locally we have Adobe Connect or Bb Collaborate, but we wouldn't allow an non-affiliated party to use them. - steven bell
I've used Yugma for our state library learning sessions, both as a presenter and attendee. But now that I think about it, it might have been a paid account rather than the free version, because we had a lot of participation. I've used Illuminiate/Blackboard with great success and I also like Adobe Connect, both through campus licenses. We give a big e-learning conference every fall, and offer both presentation and attendance to non-university people through Illuminate. - kaijsa
Brian Mathews
Library Engagement Framework -
Library Engagement Framework
I would think that loyalty would be at the top of the user relationship or engagement pyramid - or might replace pride or appreciation. If you are loyal to a product or service, they are part of your feeling loyal. One other thought. Getting to the top of any of these hierarchies - especially Maslow - takes years or a lifetime. We only have a few years with students - so we need to find... more... - steven bell
Galadriel C.
So, are any LSWers testing the waters of patron driven acquisition of e-books? If so, are you wadding or swimming? What parameters did you use for your profile(s). Our pilot profile was post 2008 publication, no obvious textbooks, and from 15 "primary" academic publishers. But, we're getting ready to analyze usage and change things a bit.
This is how I justify my laziness in selection duties, Galadriel. "Oh, if I don't order stuff, the patrons will ask for it." ;-p Probably not the answer you were looking for. - Rochelle *boom* Hartman
Ha! I think it would be kind of fun and interesting to take down the fence for a little while just to see what would happen, but there are some who are already concerned that PDA reduces the need for librarians to apply their expertise and compromise the integrity of the collections. But what if librarians flipped the process and used the PDA usage data to guide their work instead of creating the gates through which the users must go? Not sure! - Galadriel C.
We are swimming in it. My colleagues is a big time national speaker on the topic. Using EBL. First three uses of a book are loans, and the fourth use is a purchase of the book. (I think, it could be 4, 5) This is about a year old. He might have published some newer stuff in the mean time, - Joe
we're swimming too, using ebrary as our floaties. we just finished a pilot with 7 key academic departments and are about to open the floodgates to all depts next week. our profile mimics our print approval plan with ybp, so there's very little mgmt work that needs to be done related to identifying which titles are appropriate; if it falls into our approval profile, it's good for our... more... - Marie
Thanks! The pilot here began last July and is with EBL and ebrary. Joe thanks so much for the link, and Marie, yes if you wouldn't mind forwarding your boss' presentation I would really appreciate it! galadriel.chilton at uconn dot edu. - Galadriel C.
Um, I seem to be the grump in the corner on this whole concept. It seems so bizarre to prop up a system that doesn't work very well by spending quite a lot to give patrons temporary access to book. I feel as if our budgets are being used to sustain limited-access publishing and create an illusion of abundance, just as we have done with serials. - barbara fister
I'm in Barbara's grumpy corner, and I think it may have a lot to do with the relative size of our institutions and budgets. Our monographs budget has been slashed so drastically that we probably couldn't even afford the ongoing maintenance fees to sustain a PDA platform, much less purchase any titles that got used. And we're not already in the ebook market (seriously: we own two. TWO.)... more... - Catherine Pellegrino
Just read Barbara's article a few hours ago as I was poised on the diving board, ready to jump in. Gave me a lot to think about; will be interested to read the results of your pilot studies. - Jen
barbara, can you be more specific about what you think doesn't work very well with the system? depending on which provider one chooses the access is permanent (a purchase), not temporary. does that change your opinion? - Marie
I have a problem with the idea that we will offer as much as possible to our users and pay $10-$15 each time they spend more than five minutes with a book, then if we decide to have unlimited access pay $75 - so that students can harvest bits of scholarship for school assignments they don't really care about. We're basically becoming a shopping site for publishers who can set prices the... more... - barbara fister
Oh, those numbers came from a slide at the ebook summit on U of Colo. Denver's use of EBL. I think ownership is ... well, better, but still, I'd rather put money into publishing stuff and making it free. All this makes me think deep thoughts about "what is a library, really?" A website where you can harvest whatever you want without seeing the bill is not my idea of a library. But it seems to be where we're headed. - barbara fister
(psst, Steve: you're sounding a lot like THE BOULDER there. That's not to say I disagree with you/him.) I think I've put my finger on why else I think PDA is a bad fit for very small undergraduate libraries like mine: with a collection this small, we have to be very very selective about what we add, and think very carefully about how useful a particular title will be for how many... more... - Catherine Pellegrino
We're doing PDA through I think just EBL but I don't know details. We started off with it mediated, which caused tremendous amounts of confusion, so now it's non-mediated. I believe a little weird stuff (ie stuff that doesn't look study/research-related) gets purchased as a result but not much. - Deborah Fitchett
we're doing it with EBL (that sounds kinky). There is a threshold amount that triggers the purchase request and it has to be approved by a librarian. Below the threshold cost it's open slather. But we only display on our catalogue the subject ranges that we teach so some things are masked. Of the items we've approved for purchase I think there has only been the odd one or two that have been wierd. - Penny
Penny, we only display some too, but once people are in the EBL site they can do searches of their full catalogue (or at least we assume this is how a few things have been ordered that we hadn't displayed). - Deborah Fitchett
We took our profiles for new-book notices (formerly slips) and had our vendor (YPB) run them against their title lists from the last few years (a year at a time). Most we were happy with. a few we tweaked. and that's the collection of possible PDAq titles we provide. - Aaron the Librarian
Also, we are doing the 4 non-ephemeral uses for $1 & the 5th is an automatic purchase dealy - Aaron the Librarian
attended a small ebook conf in my region and spoke to 2 librarians whose institution were doing EBL PDA (mid size institutions) . One thing I noticed both said, their initial estimates on usage were way off (too low), the paper I read by Iowa university? on the subject also found their budgets bursting. - aaron from BuddyFeed
a bit curious. for PDA doubters is the main reason simply price? if prices go down sufficiently say maybe matching or even a discount on what we would have paid anyway for perpetual access would it be ok? - aaron from BuddyFeed
We are currently in our first year of experimenting with PDA. We were able to implement this without too much difficulty working with Coutts, our primary book supply service. We do offer many thousands more books through our catalog system that are automatically purchased if they are viewed (someone connects to the full text content) at least three times. So far just a few hundred books... more... - steven bell
Somewhat off-topic, but every single time I see "PDA," I still translate it in my head as Public Displays of Attention. Clearly, middle school and high school have scarred me for life. /hijack - Katy S
Me too, Katy. It makes me happy when people use DDA (demand-driven) over PDA because I don't have to translate in my head. :) - ellbeecee
PDA = personal digital assistant - Joe
I really appreciate Barbara's column and the voices from the grumpy corner. The pilot PDA project began here prior to my arrival and one thing I noticed right away is that the allocations are *not* being spent down as quickly as everyone on the pilot project team expected. Part of this was that the MARC records for the PDA e-books were not loaded into WorldCat Local - the search tool w/... more... - Galadriel C.
We're swimming, currently about to switch to having what used to be slips put into catalog through YBP/EBL. The stats are super interesting. - Jaclyn aka spamgirl
Jason P
Recommended readings on best practices for creating library instructional videos? (articles or book chapters, OA preferred but not required.) Thanks!
I have seen articles on this (do you have access to a lib lit database?), but for examples and ideas try the ACRL PRIMO collection of instructional materials - there for the sharing - why create something new if someone else already is sharing it - steven bell
Good idea, Steven. This is for an online class I'm teaching. I'll link to the PRIMO collection for sure. I do have access to a couple of LIS databases, and I have a couple of things I think will work as readings. I just wanted to get any awesome personal recommendations that LSW might have as well. - Jason P
Is the question "Best practices for videos" or "Best practices for library videos"? If the former, I'd look way and outside of libraryland to find good tutorials for video creation. - Jason Griffey
Hm, the context is library videos, but that's a good point. - Jason P
ANTS has a best practices in screencasting wiki: (the whole project is open-source). - kaijsa
Not really best practices, but a nice writeup: - JffKrlsn
You guys are great. Thank you all. - Jason P
Tried to help a student with MRI+, some business/marketing database. Totally flummoxed. Couldn't even really get to where I could see where one would input anything, nor deduce how to navigate around the interface. Feel like a goober.
And youre a librarian. Imagine how the poor kids feel. You helped the kid realize it's not *him*, it's the stoopit database, and that's a help too - ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
the what database?? I've never even heard of that one. And there's always going to be something that you don't know, but you help as best as you can, ask questions, and learn for the next time. Its what makes you a good librarian - Sir Shuping is just sir
I put it all in the reference form so hopefully someone here has prior experience and can help me with it for the future. - Derrick
I've used MRI a couple of times and it baffles me. I have to get LBC to help me with it every time. - Jason P
I was embarrassed that I didn't even know how to like...get around it. It was all "Sell! Sell! Sell!" - Derrick
I have a libguide for it. I LOVE MRI+. #nerdybizlib :) - ellbeecee (really, am happy to help with it ) and I see Aaron beat me on the link - ellbeecee
haha, awesome. Thanks! - Derrick
I think I still have a help sheet I created for it - it takes a bit of practice to get the hang of it. If you want me to send it to you let me know - bells @ - steven bell
I'm liking the help sheets and guide (as I have trouble with MRI too), not that Derrick felt like a goober! Just thought I'd clarify :) - Jen
good, Jen - if anyone notices things that aren't clear, let me know - I'm happy to make edits (and I like my "reading reports" tab far better than the info that comes up when you find the one that other libraries have used (I swear it's like there's just one :p ) - ellbeecee
MRI+ is hard to use, so don't feel bad! I'm glad somebody has a guide for it, because I only have to use it every once in a while, and it always takes a bit of stumbling at first. - kaijsa
Ooh, thanks for the guide! - Jaclyn aka spamgirl
I need some insight as a new librarian. I know I'm supposed to be working toward getting published, but I don't know where to start. How did you all get started? Was it something that evolved organically or did you decide to write something specifically to pursue publication? I need some inspiration and direction, so whatever insight is great.
What are you interested? What lights your board that you love to do, and talk to people about? Once you know that, you can start on a research agenda for it, read the literature, and see what sorts of questions or solutions havent been written about yet. That's one way to get started. - ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
I'm a fan of "have an idea you think you can write about, then shop it around". Mostly because writing to a deadline on a topic I don't love makes me want to cry. - Jenica
If you're not feeling comfortable with a whole article but are going to a conference, look for opportunities to write up the presentations you attend. Serials Review regularly puts out calls for conference reporters on SERIALST--I'm guessing other topic-specific journals do the same. Book reviews are another way to get started. Check the journals for calls for reviewers or their guidelines for reviewers. - Kirsten
Loving the ideas. I've always wanted to be a book reviewer :) I do have some thoughts on topics for articles, but I have to look around at what's been written and what publications are out there. Thanks for those other avenues too Kirsten - that's something I can maybe start to pursue now. - Caitlin
A couple of my articles came out of conference presentations. If you like to present, that might be another way to get going. - RepoRat
Start a good Blog.. write often and then convert your blog entries into a kindle version.. and charge $1.99 per subscription.. extract your posts into chapters and then create a book.. lobby a publication house or just eBook it ! - Peter Dawson
My first article--one of very few "scholarly" ones--came about because I'd done a project with interesting implications that hadn't been written about. My first book came about because there was a gaping void that nobody else would fill. As for Peter Dawson's advice above: I suppose anything's possible, but making big bucks by selling subscriptions to a librarianship blog is...well, good luck with that. - walt crawford
I agree with the suggestion to start with presentations - although you have to have a good idea for that as well to get accepted. But by the time you put it all together you'll have the makings of an article. Another suggestion - be a co-author first. When you are new at this it may help to team up with a more experienced author who knows how to get this done. It helps if you can... more... - steven bell
Thank you all. I'm going to have to start scouting around for someone to co-author with. The librarians here really haven't done publishing, and they've talked about co-authoring something about recovering from disaster or working in separate locations for TS/Public, but it has come to naught. I need to get with someone who has done this before :) - Caitlin
Library Journal just put out a call for reviewers as well. What's your email? I 'll see if i can find it. Also, subscribe to the blog It's a great source of calls for chapters/publications/presentations - Hedgehog
Go Caitlin Go! - Derrick
I will say that neither my presentations nor my articles typically come out of my "oh! I have an idea!" space. (Curiously, a lot of my teaching does.) Usually they come out of my "cripes, this REALLY HONKS ME OFF and I must talk/write about it or I'll freakin' explode" space. YMMV! - RepoRat
ANYONE can get in touch with me - cmoen [at] :) Really appreciate the help and I'm going to go check out that blog right now. - Caitlin
Depending on the magazine/journal you can submit chapter/article ideas and if they like and approve you run with it. - ♫Maurice the Dolphin♫
Caitlin --your email gave me a permanent fail....alternate? - Hedgehog
LOL... sorry, combined my personal and work ones. - Caitlin
I started with newsletter articles, then bulletin reports, some poster presentations, then 15-20 minute presentations on panels, and then some more officialish journal articles. - Joe from iPod
There is really *very very little* published about recovering from disaster, I think mostly because people are too busy actually recovering (being there, doing that) to waste time writing about it, so if you and/or colleagues can get sufficient energy to write about it it'd be brilliant. - Deborah Fitchett
Catherine Pellegrino
a prof just told me that one of her students says she has a $20 app on her iPhone that gives her access to more fulltext journals than she can get through our library. Sounds sketchy to me. Has anybody heard of this? I don't have the name of the app, but the professor is going to ask the student.
*suddenly has a plan for drastically reducing the library's collections budget* - lris
Why, that won't be sketchy at all! There are always magical solutions to problems! My unicorn says so! - Jenica
the only thing that I can think of is that someone's created an ap that's using stolen authentication protocols or passwords for various univ. libraries. - Sir Shuping is just sir
Questia? They've been targeting college students for years. - steven bell
The free Gale app is pretty cool - maʀtha
Questia looks like it might be what she's talking about: $9.95 for access to "more than 77,000 books and over 4 million journal, magazine, and newspaper articles." Needless to say, they don't provide a title list, especially for the journal content. - Catherine Pellegrino
Why does Jenica's unicorn talk? Mine doesn't. Directors always get the good stuff. - Blake
Have you ever seen what happens when you leave your unicorn alone in your office for a few hours? It ain't pretty, is all I'm sayin'. - Catherine Pellegrino
Maybe it's Aaron Swartz's new project... - John Dupuis
Could you please get the name of this app? *tempted* - Aaron the Librarian
john ++ - jambina
Librarian humor makes me so happy. :D - Marie
the nature app gives you nature content for like <10/month... does deep dyve have an app? - Christina Pikas
ALL of the nature journals, or just the main nature? - Joe
not sure - Christina Pikas
Three years ago a business/IT student told me how he and a couple of friends were sharing a subscription to Questia bcs they cd always add in refs that were authoritative that the prof wd not have seen before. this was a straight A student who was on our library emerging tech committee as a student rep and very dedicated to helping library reach students better... - Kathryn is a free elf
Mr. The Jason Fleming
do you have an official dress code policy for student workers? If so would you mind sharing?
"Dress professionally." Codicil: No skin showing between waistband and shirt hem. (that's the basics from our Circ Supervisor) - Aaron the Librarian
In my summer internship, we were asked not to wear anything that could be worn to the beach and to avoid anything low cut. (Apparently someone had to be sent home last year for problematic cleavage.) - Heather
We invested in some bright red vests that have "library staff" printed on the back. We do require our stack students to wear them so they can be easily identified by those who are looking for some assistance. I'd like to see more of our student workers wearing them - those at service desks. Otherwise we'd be similar to what they do at Aaron's library. - steven bell
We have tshirts from a promotional event a couple weeks ago. Could use those. I wonder how common the practice is to make students wear a "uniform" - Mr. The Jason Fleming
what Aaron said and also to wear closed toed shoes, just too much of a chance of them rolling a cart or dropping a book on their foot. - Sir Shuping is just sir
the phrase "problematic cleavage" amuses me, I will suggest this to the Circ Super as a phrase she can drop to gracefully/humorously convey the idea. - Aaron the Librarian
we are working on something today to send out and have signed by Friday. I'll pass it along when it is ready - Mr. The Jason Fleming
Our circ coordinator just gives some informal guidelines and I don't think we've had any problems. York is actually an interesting place in that we have quite a substantial student population that usually looks like they just stepped out of a nightclub (male and female) as well as quite a substantial population of very religious Muslims. Just yesterday a new female student employee declined to shake my hand. - John Dupuis
Here they are: 1. All shirts must have sleeves. 2. No bare midriffs. Skin and/or undergarments should not be visible between your pants and shirt. 3. No sheer, see-through, or skin-tight materials are to be worn. 4. Shirts with obscenities or suggestive text are not allowed. When you are at work you represent not only the library, but also the college. We want to present a professional,... more... - Mr. The Jason Fleming
Deborah Fitchett
Anyone want to do my homework for me? Looking for articles on the value of decluttering library websites (esp. academic library websites). I find bunches mentioning it in passing or taking it for granted; would love something more detailed explaining/illustrating the why of it. (Non-library focused papers won't sufficiently help my cause alas.)
I heard Aaron Schmidt, who is part of a library web design consulting group, talk at a conference and he made a great case for designing for a mobile interface first - because the design constraints force you to concentrate on the stuff that you should be concentrating on. - copystar
I don't know anything similar offhand from the library literature but Elsevier published a useful pamphlet that does contain a relevant section "Organize your site based on users’ tasks and their frequency" : - copystar
I don't know if this would have the detail you seek - in terms of how you do it - but it does try to get at the "why" of why we need to declutter and take a different direction altogether But it is specific to academic libraries. - steven bell
Thanks, Steven - that looks very much like what I need. Mita, I love the One Pager interface - only we've got this university template we have to work within... The Elsevier pamphlet could be useful too, thanks! - Deborah Fitchett
steven bell
Here's why I don't think the Textbook Rebellion approach would work for scholarly journals. The users don't pay for it out of the pocket. It's all free from their perspective. It's a lot different when your credit card bill shows up with $1.000 in textbook purchases. Now you want to get involved.
It might work if it came along with a refund of student fees/boost in salary. :-) - Deborah Fitchett
Might work if the serials $ was also assigned around departments and they thought of it as *their* money and not the library's. - ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
the problem with assigning money to the departments, is that then the faculty expect to be able to make collection decisions, and the librarians' professional standing in that area goes down the toilet, as does the ability of the librarians to make trade-offs between departments. - DJF
To be honest, I don't think the Textbook Rebellion will get very far. Textbooks, btw, are literally free to most professors and the price tag is not visible. I just talked to a faculty member who insisted on knowing the price tag before she would consent to review texts. Good for her! (Of course, nobody in editorial knows what the price will be - that's another department - but it's a... more... - barbara fister
If it was targeted to faculty I'd agree, but i believe the rebellion is aimed at the students and seeking to get them riled up and activated to advocate for no or low-cost textbooks - and demand it on their campuses. I agree that for faculty textbooks are more like scholarly journals - since they aren't the party responsible for the payment - cost is not a factor for them.. - steven bell
A publisher who made a point of affordability and quality - and they aren't mutually exclusive - could clean up. Many faculty care about this issue, but get very little pricing information but lots of strokes from reps. Also, members of congress get heaps of mail about the high cost of college and of books - that's why they passed a law mandating that colleges post required texts and ISBNs at time of registration. Doesn't fix much, but they are aware that citizens are steamed. - barbara fister
I think the goal has to be - and we need to be a part of that effort - to get faculty weened from the traditional textbook process where you just fill out a form and press a button - and presto - students to to the bookstore to do the buying - to a new system using alternate non-textbook approaches. Rentals and e-textbooks help a bit with pricing but are not long term solutions.... more... - steven bell
Pete's Got To Go
I leave Philosophy of Librarianship to others with greater minds to work out :) But basically customer service and informed guess work in the face of the future might feature;) Developments in the Legal Field? I think I have an angle on that. Other Big Thoughts? Hmm...
Customer service? Sounds somewhat bland or generic. Where are you going with the customer service angle? Pete, can you go a little deeper with your philosophy there? Deliver a memorable library experience. Create passionate library users. Establish relationships that build loyalty in the community. Just some thoughts. - steven bell
Steven- sorry, this post is much more tongue in cheek than that :) </dry english wit> I find a lot of library thinking a bit... slogany for my liking. Why memorable? Why passionate? Why does customer service sound any more bland and generic than 'memorable (us) experience' :) I guess ' There is no slogan, only do or do not' gets closer. - Pete's Got To Go
For me- do people get what they want / need? Do they want to come back? Do we respond well to when things don't go so well? This is 'customer service' in a library context. Quantum mechanics it isn't :) - Pete's Got To Go
On a purely personal note, the student satisfaction numbers for the areas I work with are all good and getting better :) And law are paying for me to go to Chicago. So I figure I am building some loyalty and satisfaction there :) - Pete's Got To Go
My bad - thought you might be looking for some thoughts from others. I don't know if I'd call it "slogany" but it can be helpful to express ideas in ways that others remember them or that create some sort of emotional response. Packaging ideas creatively can help achieve that. If you've never read the book Made to Stick you may want to consider it. I suppose do or not do could sum it... more... - steven bell
Steve- points taken. Here, do= do what needs to be done. - Pete's Got To Go
Steve- yes. You don't want me as the public face of 'librarianship' ;) - Pete's Got To Go
Suddenly law becomes more like librarianship? - Aaron the Librarian
Odd, isn't it :) Here we have the LETR, essentially looking at the issues Sarah identified. And our degree at SHU has got a lot more 'clinical' i.e. 'practical' - Pete's Got To Go
:) All intermediaries are unhappy in the same way ;) - Pete's Got To Go
Inspired by but not at all relevant to this thread or anyone's points here: - lris
See- greater minds ;) - Pete's Got To Go
what is this sense of entitlement? When I was a student I had to buy all my textbooks. So you can only check it out for an hour... or a week... why is this not an awesome service the library is providing so you don't have to purchase every textbook for your classes? Why is this something that is annoying and not good enough for you? *rant over*
Because they want to be lazy and let their reading work languish on their desk for weeks before cramming it before an exam. :P - Hookuh Tinypants
I find it most galling when it's a student wearing expensive clothes, with expensive headphones draped around his/her neck, etc., who I just heard talking about all of the bars s/he went to the weekend before. I understand that textbooks are expensive and for some a financial burden, but I've also seen many who simply choose to spend their money on other things. I have little sympathy for the latter group. - Katy S
Man, when I couldn't afford textbooks all for myself, I'd find friends or classmates to split the cost with. It lessened the cost burden and gave me an instant study group! Students are lucky that schools and profs are making the effort to have copies available for reviewing in the library. Granted it means you can't work at your own leisure, but at least it's *something*. And it helps to instill better study habits in students having to plan time to go to the library to check the book out for a few hours. - Hookuh Tinypants
Close to verbatim answer given when asked that question: "I've always gotten whatever I asked for, by my parents or "the system" or just by whining enough, so why shouldn't I expect more at no cost to me?" - Aaron the Librarian
Aaron, there's a kind of reasonable logic to that answer, as distasteful as it is. - Rachel Walden
Agreed. I still don't have a good response beyond playing to the students' sense of égalité. - Aaron the Librarian
Privilege is certainly an issue here. However it's also worth mentioning that students are given books in K-12 for their studies. In upper grades these books are checked out to them individually rather than in a class set. Usually this involves going to the library and getting your materials for the year on the first day of each class. It might be confusing to students who have been... more... - Soup in a TARDIS
The question I have is: If tuition was raised enough to cover the average (or the 75th percentile) per-student cost of the books and then books were supplied at no charge, would the students still choose to attend the "more expensive, but free books" school? And the corollary: would the school still provide the books for free 10 years later? - Aaron the Librarian
Soup - books weren't given to us when/where I went to high school (and all of k-12, really). At the schools around here, you either buy them or rent them. And, they were picked up in the individual classrooms, along with a lecture about taking care of them in the case of rented books. - Katy S
And if there is a book that does circulate, heaven forbid another student have beaten them to it... - Hedgehog
@Katy, Really? How interesting. I never experienced this in K-12 (I suspect if they tried to fly such a program 95% of the student body would be unable to afford them or would simply refuse to). What happened to kids without the funds? - Soup in a TARDIS
Kids/families who can't afford them get reduced rates or free books to use/rent. From what I understand, it works a lot like the reduced-/free- lunch program. - Katy S
@Katy, well that's good to hear. - Soup in a TARDIS
It is, but the costs are still high. My sister just paid a pretty large chunk of change for book rental fees for her kids. It adds up. - Katy S
It's just so frustrating. I always put in extra time in my schooling to look for cheap copies of books online and track them down myself. If I didn't have the book, it was my own fault. I think it's pretty awesome that this library has some books and I'm sick of hearing, "there's a LOT this library doesn't have." Really? I would guess so, since everything was lost in Katrina and you pay less than $2000/semester for tuition. Who would you like to pay for these books?? - Caitlin
I can't believe the K12 books though - Katy, where does that happen? - Caitlin
Indiana. I don't know about other states. - Katy S
we never had to buy any books for k-12, i was shocked that there are so many fees in my current county for AP classes and the like. It really keeps the poor kids from moving up. they qualify for a free lunch that is normally a buck or two - how could they afford books for ap classes? - Christina Pikas
Seconding what Katy said--my mom paid rental fees for our books at another Indiana school. - Hedgehog
Public education is less public all the time. Sad face. - barbara fister
True that. and I agree that it is sad - we never had to pay to rent textbooks where I grew up (Minnesota) and I know it would be a hardship for many families. The whole atmosphere of education is changing, or so it seems. - Caitlin
That would be awful to pay for your K-12 textbooks, especially when you have no choice but to take those classes and use those books, unlike university where you can opt to not take certain classes or select a class based on the required materials. I don't know if all of California is the same anymore, but I know my old school district still gives out textbooks for free. Each... more... - Hookuh Tinypants
All of CA gives out the textbooks at no charge still, Tiny. This might not apply to non-public schools - Soup in a TARDIS
Oh nice. Yeah, wasn't sure with the current economic yuckies if we had any districts that had to start charging. Good to know we can still support a few of the basics of a public education, I guess. - Hookuh Tinypants
Yup. Unfortunately a current trend has been to move away from individual literary texts and switch to readers that include chapters or portions of books and plays. It's more cost effective but for districts that don't supplement it is now entirely possible for a California student to never read a complete work of fiction after about grade 5 or 6. - Soup in a TARDIS
I remember my parents having to pay for my book rental all through the time I went from K to 10 in Indianapolis Public Schools. For 11 & 12 I think the books were paid for along with room and board at Indiana Academy. After that, I expected to have to resume paying for books in college, and I did. - Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
Apparently Indiana is one of three US states where parents pay rental fees for K-12 textbooks. In the remaining 47 states they are provided free of charge. - Soup in a TARDIS
Way to Go Indiana! Er... Wait... no, we're losing and backward. Again. - Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
It's not just the students. Faculty worry a lot about assigning "expensive" text books (in my humanities areas these are usually 50-60 dollars... they should see the sciences!). We go round and round with professors trying to find ethical/legal ways to have their students do all this coursework without paying more than is absolutely necessary for textbooks. - lris
Our school is having a textbook swap, which is great, but it doesn't happen until Sept 7th. Um... classes started August 22... - Caitlin
I went to a conference for writing instructors who are in many cases contingent and poor. The receptions by the big textbook publishers were unbelievable. One was at the Braves stadium (batting cages open to play in) with heaps of food and an open bar with any kind of seriously hard liquor you wanted refilled as often as you wanted. No wonder the students get to pay $50 plus for a paperback writing handbook. - barbara fister
I assume you were at 4Cs - that sounds about right. - Katy S
UW-La Crosse has textbook rental too - it's an awesome service. Wish they had it when I went to college (stone age!) - Jen
i was whining about the cost of textbooks (each less than $100) when i talked to a colleague at the office ... her son is starting at loyola marymount and one of his textbooks is $240*!!!!* wow - henry
Our library is currently supporting 11 faculty from multiple disciplines in an "alternative textbook" project in which the faculty are "ditching the textbook" and replacing it with OER, library content, their own original content, etc. They are rolling out their alternative textbooks this semester. The estimated savings to the students in all the courses will be in the many thousands of... more... - steven bell
Steven, PLEASE PLEASE publish as much as you can about that! OA needs all the success stories it can muster. I, too, run my classes off OA content (usually not OER specifically, but reports, whitepapers, blogs, pre/postprints, etc) as much as possible -- if anything, my students pay more for software than info resources. ;) - RepoRat
Most of my professors at OSU tried to get away from the textbooks as much as possible, providing us electronic bundles of papers, articles, excerpts, etc. I had one professor whose entire "textbook" packet one term was a list of academic articles and papers that we had to go find ourselves in the library. He felt this was an excellent way to cut down on paper-wasting and it familiarized... more... - Hookuh Tinypants
Steven, I'm really looking forward to hearing more about that and how the students react, workload on the instructors, etc.! - Rachel Walden
That sounds awesome Steven - I also like the idea of having a list of articles as the required reading, which brings users into the library and gets them used to accessing "real-life" resources. How often in your professional life do you turn to a textbook for an answer? Yet how often do you read articles to get answers or stay current? Love this idea. - Caitlin
A colleague at U Mass Amherst learned of the project after we had selected our winning faculty proposals, and their provost liked the idea and decided to fund it. I am sure there are others giving this sort of thing a try - and I would hope there'd be an opportunity to share the results with others. I was originally inspired to put energy into the textbook problem after hearing a panel... more... - steven bell
Listening to not one, but two colleagues over-answer a student's question. Cringing behind my monitors.
:( - Katy S
(liking for your self-restraint in not going out and interrupting) - Kirsten
Oh, the over-answering! I'm cringing in sympathy over here. - Catherine Pellegrino
Last week I came across a good piece by an administrator on "How you know you're a helicopter parent". Could you come up with a list for "How You Know You're an Over-Answering Librarian"...You know you're an over-answering librarian if...a student is begging you for permission to get to class" - steven bell
... the student's eyes glazed over 20 minutes ago and they repeat "uh huh" at 45-second intervals. - Kirsten
From this one interaction, helicoptering is any time they are walking backwards out your office door, if you hear the phrase "but I don't have one of those..." repeated, or if you use any of the words/phrases more than three times: can't, don't, someday, when I was in _____, or this is my office. - Kathy
Rachel Walden
Creative brains of the LSW! If you could repurpose/redesign an area of your library space for any purpose and any way you wanted, what would you do? Trying to get my thinking-about-creative-uses-for-our-space juices flowing.
Would have much more comfortable seating, couches, lamps, stuff like that. Of course, some peeps might use the couches for sleeping, but it creates more of an at home feel. - Joe
We really could use a better eating space--the students come here after their buildings have closed to study and eat all over the library because the corralled food space is SO unattractive. Also, we need a coffee maker and a microwave. - Hedgehog
Plugs everywhere. Spaces for people to create and learn. and DON"t MOVE THE FURNITURE WHEN PEOPLE MOVE IT. - ♫Maurice the Dolphin♫
Small group meeting/study rooms outfitted with content creation hardware/software (cameras, microphones, software to make use of those things, etc.). - WebGoddess
More seating and comfortable seating. We need more of it. I want more of a family room sort of feel to it. - Andy
I love Webgoddess's idea, but practically speaking, I'd just put in more study rooms, as ours are insanely in demand. - laura x
Great stuff so far, thanks. One thing I wonder about is if there were some more modular/adaptable spaces (rolling white boards, etc.), if it would get used or just ignored in favor of more "defined" space. - Rachel Walden
Add a million outlets. Make everything modular and movable. Change the architecture so it is easier to create louder and quieter spaces (this also has to do with the locations of the computer workstations and our incredibly open, loud lobby and atrium). More comfy chairs, definitely. More individual carrels and fewer large tables. A million study rooms. One thing we have now is tons of natural light and big windows in all of the patron areas. - maʀtha
Rachel, Steelcase has some great studies on when their modular stuff gets moved and when it doesn't. They've done anthropological work to see how and why students move the stuff around. I'd check out their site - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Folks have had great ideas here! I also love those diner booths for group work in a semi-enclosed environment, and in a dream situation, a shared monitor that multiple laptops can plug in to at places set up for group work - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Rudy, thank you! Had not heard about that! - Rachel Walden
we have these awesome pods that studetns can book with a monitor that can be live from any laptop in the room, plus a whiteboard with markers. they are pretty soundproof too. and we have fun modular furniture you can arrange however ya like, and banquettes with shared monitor and whiteboards - - jambina
Ooh, those are neat - Rachel Walden
We just finished putting together a flex-study space (that's what I came up with - better name ideas?) that basically took an underused space and put in a "create a study room on the fly" space using collapsible walls. While we certainly can use more study space that's hardly a creative/dream repurposing of space. If I could do one thing it would be a redesigned... more... - steven bell
steven, that's one thing I'm really thinking about, too - whether there are ways to design space so that partnerships/interactions/collaborations between library staff and users are fostered. collaboration between users themselves are great, but what with ERIAL and all... - Rachel Walden
I have a fairly small library for our student body of 7000 students, about 30,000 sq feet with most of it for collections. But our main floor is an amazing open area with fantastic natural light pretty well all year round. I'd like to repurpose the collections space to more people space. A mistake we made with the reno 7 years ago was not differentiating our quiet & collaborative spaces... more... - John Dupuis
What I'd like to see is a somewhat dispersed librarian office situation, where the offices are located near some set of call numbers appropriate to their liaison areas. And where seating in call number areas is appropriate to the topic on the shelves -- Art would have big tables and great light, and maybe some easels; Foreign languages would have conversation zones as well as areas set up for headset work, etc. - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Rudi, we're medical, but I can see how that concept could apply here. I would also like to have some art around and tools for creativity and content production. Hmmm. - Rachel Walden
I would have a line of computers separate from our computer lab, available for use even when BI sessions are happening. Maybe when the new library opens :( - Caitlin
I'd get rid of half our nonfiction collection, and add more public computers, create more public meeting rooms/community rooms, add a kitchen for cooking classes, a fully equipped computer lab for training/creation, a maker lab, and a vertical farm. But if we can't do all that, more community/meeting rooms for programming and whatnot. - John: Thread Killer
Cool ideas. I want a faculty lounge with a conversation area and a quiet work area and a space for small group meetings. I also want somehow to have the librarians' offices all open onto a common space that is also open to students. I've seen lounge areas in some academic departments where majors can mingle with their professors. I want that. Oh, and an awesome coffee maker. - barbara fister
Brian Mathews
Anybody know of a scan/print station that would be good for a small library? Something for the public?
This is one of the less expensive turnkey systems that should perform well in a public library - it's found in many libraries - the instructions are simple to follow and you can save or email the scan - steven bell
Ha! That's what we just bought. Problem is, we can't afford the print station the main library wants us to use but I don't think we can afford not to. - kendrak
This thing is a good scanner, BookScan Station, - Joe
We just acquired a Savin C9120 printer - it came in yesterday so I've had next to no experience with it. It was a replacement for our old copier. It does color and black and white copies, it scans, you can network it (haven't done that yet). - Gershbec
Academic library people: Interested in Leadership? Help me establish an ACRL Leadership Discussion Group!
Page not found? Sounds interesting, but I don't have $$ right now for ACRL. - Hedgehog
sorry Abs! In my multitasking, I forgot to publish the page :) It's published now. - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Ah...see the updated do you want leadership or management discussion group? - Hedgehog
leadership leadership leadership leadership! - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
did I accidentally say management somewhere? I hope not! It;s to be very specifically a Leadership thing. - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
text of the petition says "leadership and management" - holly #ravingfangirl
In the other FF thread, you did say Management…but in either case, you're probably going to run afoul of the ALA bylaw I quoted. - Jason Griffey
I've never heard of that bylaw being enforced at the discussion group level, although I suppose there's a first time for everything. (My only memory of enforcement was an attempt to set up a full-scale section. There are already committees and IGs/DGs that could theoretically run afoul of that bylaw.) - walt crawford
Honestly Walt, I have been hoping in a year or two this would have enough interest to move to a Section within ACRL. But if the bylaws forbid it, we can work without it (by the way, 20 signatures in under an hour. Given the potential conflict here, I'd like a landslide of signatures to help show desire/need for the group) - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Yeah, I'm not aware of a Discussion group ever being shut down by this. Just pointing it out to warn you just in case it DOES come up. - Jason Griffey
Jason, I appreciate it. - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
At the point that you talk Section, a lot depends on the leadership at LLAMA--noting that the second L stands for Leadership--and the way the group's charge is written. Since I won't be involved (being a member of neither), I'll let it go at that... - walt crawford
Not to dampen your enthusiasm, but we already have LLAMA - an entire division devoted to leadership and management. Would a discussion group in ACRL overlap with their programs and groups. Unless you can make the case that leadership is different enough in higher ed (e.g., leading on campus) - steven bell
Steven, that is the bulk of the case in the petition-- leadership as a primary emphasis is only part of it, but leadership within an academic context, faculty issues, professional organizations, leading from the middle, are all uniquely flavored by academic contexts. Also, I was originally going to propose an Interest group, and the prep for that revealed that there are leadership committees inside 3 ACRL sections already (which I think strengthens the case for an ACRL-wide group...) - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Mark Kille
Shorter ACS: "If we call it a scholarship contest, maybe you'll do our market research for us for free!" --
*snort* forwarded this to my science librarian. It's kind of ridiculous but he could probably use the extra professional development $$ - Hedgehog
Of course we don't have to tell the TRUTH. We just have to write a good paper. - DJF
"We're cutting all our ACS subscriptions because they're too damn expensive" Now can I get my conference scholarship? - steven bell
Brian Mathews
Discussion in admin meeting today: are we a branded house or a house of brands? (thanks DH) And which do we want to be moving forward?
It's possible that individual units could have their own brand - special collections and media services have unique missions and different user groups. But for it all to work I think you'd want to have a common library brand into which those sub-brands would feed. A good starting point might be an experiential brand - what's the common experience all the units want to deliver. I imagine this could have come up as part of the discussion. - steven bell
John Jackson
Librarians: Have you written a "personal philosophy of librarianship?" Any resources you recommend for doing this? (putting together biblio)
I don't think it is a common thing for academic librarians to write - though I like the idea - what is the WHY behind your practice. It is much more common for non-librarian faculty to write them. Here's a good "how-to" essay from the Chronicle It could help you get started. - steven bell
lauren pressley
My son saw our push mower today and said "oh look, it's my size" - Mr. The Jason Fleming from Android
Guess what. When they're old enough to actually mow the lawn - you won't be able to find them when it needs to be mowed. - steven bell
Is there a non-craptastic site where a student can get, for ex, a 10 second clip of the "Jaws" theme for use in a class presentation, without breaking copyright law?
How would playing a 10-second clip from the theme violate fair use? Educational application. Minor portion of entire work. Does not impact market of copyright owner. True it is a creative, not factual work. But that appears to be three of four. If you accept it's fair use, then finding the theme and recording 10 seconds worth should be the easy part. - steven bell
If I'm understanding correctly, I think the issue is less with determining fair use than with finding a site that will let you create or download that clip, right? Unfortunately, I myself am not aware of a slick site that does that. - lris
Since it sounds like your need is within copyright law, I can only suggest using a firefox add-on--one that downloads media from YouTube. If you can only find one that downloads video, there are free websites online that will convert formats or if you're using a Mac, the app Evom does a great job. YouTube definitely has a copy of the theme song. Unfortunately I don't know of any 'educational' sites that offer popular songs. - MontglaneChess
Thanks for the comments. I contacted the student about this and she didn't get back to me. I'll def look into this more. - YvonneM
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