“I think it's really awesome how a new comment on shared FriendFeed item pushes it back up to the top. It's a great way to keep the coversation going.”
You know, honestly... we have all the room at the top for different tabs. I would be nice to have the option to "pin" a conversation we specifically want to follow. - Vince DeGeorge
Steven, there is a permalink to each entry under "More," but I like the idea of pinning things in general. I'll often check out a particular friend's feed and would like that permanently pinned, as well as pinning individual conversations. There's probably a greasemonkey script that already does this, but I don't know about it. - Vince DeGeorge
Likes 3:1 Comments; need to comment more ;-) - Susan Beebe
Lets sick Louis Gray on the Likes:Comments Noise Ratio. Call it the FriendFeed SmileSpam Factor - Elliott Ng
1446 comments, 816 likes. And this will consistently change and not be relevant. I don't necessarily want to "reward" those clicking Like just so more people see their name and follow them around... - Louis Gray
I'm ashamed to show my stats again. I'm like a kid in a candy store here! - Anthony Farrior
More comments, but not a lot of either. - Michael Hocter
97 comments, 8 likes - I don't see a lot of point in putting up a smiley if I don't have anything relevant to say about it - Todd McKinney
@louisgray: "there you go again" Go ahead and use "smilespam"...it's on the house! - Elliott Ng
@Todd, like all things, a service is what you make of it, but I've used "likes" as a way to cue the person providing the content that I liked what it was, and that I'm interested in more content like it. A lot of times I'll like something someone provided but not have something constructive to contribute to the discussion. The like provides a quick piece of feedback. Also, it's great for "starring" FF entries. - Mark Trapp
@Mark you've got a good point. The quick feedback is a helpful thing, and a service truly is different for everyone depending on how it's used. Personally, I find a whole lot more value in a conversational aspect of FF. - Todd McKinney
49 comment, 109 likes - I'm not a blogger, but a shy developer. So commenting takes a lot out of me. I'm happy to put a smiley though :) - Mo Jawhari
More comments, which surprised me until I realized I comment on my own stuff to annotate it. - Ontario Emperor
721 comments, 1093 likes. I want to remove some of my early likes, but currently FriendFeed has a bug where everything past #359 (page 11) can only be accessed through searches. I use likes (1) for discussions I like & want to keep permanently (2) items I like which I haven't had enough time to del.icio.us with a summary - or del.icio.us is down :-( (3) discussions which may/may not end up interesting. (2-3) are "likes" which might disappear. - Mitchell Tsai
@Mitchell would it not work to go to your "me" page and then click on the Like link. I tried this and it will list all the items you have liked. - Steven Hodson
Totally hoping you make a series out of this like you mentioned on Twitter - Corvida
I fully intend to, once my move is complete (hopefully that will be tomorrow :) ) - MG Siegler
it would be interesting to have "comparative" posts where sites like Ars are held to the fire when tehy obviously "copy" other peoples work without proper attribution. - Steven Hodson
mg, there's an obvious pun on the ars technica name that i'm glad you're restraining yourself from using because it's so obvious - Eric Eldon
Thanks for this Steven, I'd heard the horrors stories and it was putting me off using it - may have to investigate it now. - Colin Walker
Good post, Steven. I'm still in a wait-and-see mode on Disqus. Yes, at this point it does seem stupid to me, but I can change my mind. That's why my post said "debating". :-) - David Risley
@David - I realize what you were trying to do but I think if you can get over the idea that comments are something that only do you any good if they are on your blog then you might find Disqus a good service. I know that was something that I had to come to grips with and still do sometimes. - Steven Hodson
@Colin you're welcome and I hope you do decide to give it a try - Steven Hodson
Steven, while this is not a psychiatrist's couch, how can we help you? - Louis Gray
not much for you to be able to do unless you are my hosting company - they must be all visiting their mother's .. not that the problem is their fault - I think I stumbled into a nasty WP bug but want to talk with hosting company before saying anymore .. plus it looks like we aren't doing a podcast this week either which would have been my high point of the day .. could have been really cranky given the circumstances :) - Steven Hodson
a good company who I like being with - like I said I don't believe this is a problem that originated with them but I need them to try and get things back to normal cause until they do my site is down .. email is fine .. ftp is fine .. only http is barfed - Steven Hodson
How do we get people to stay? How do we keep people blogging? That's the problem I want to solve. - Ginger Makela
So far my clique has remained intact. There are only a handful of bloggers I've connected with, mostly because my blog doesn't really fall into any specific niche. It's just what I feel like writing about that day, or mostly what I feel like sharing with whoever passes by. - Michael Beck
The burnout in tech blogging is high. No days off. High pressure. - Cyndy
BTW, Hutch, 12 referrals from Alltop, total so far. But TVbytheNumbers is way, way below the fold in the TV category, though I think it's probably appropriately placed given most people want info about shows. - Robert Seidman
@Robert - thanks for that nugget. I'm curious as to how Guy's creation is doing. Particularly as AllTop could serve as a vehicle for mainstream RSS usage. - Hutch Carpenter
I have received 2 click-throughs from socialmedia.alltop.com since being added. - Louis Gray
I'm guessing they don't know where to place 'cranky' as I haven't been lucky enough to be added even though Guy asked for the URL - Steven Hodson
I've been following this site for a little since first coming across it via FriendFeed at some point. This should be on Louis next call out list (hint Louis :) ) - Steven Hodson
"As a Disqus user and fan I agree with your points and I have seen an increase in comments being left as well. As a side note there is a lot of moaning about comment fragmentation but I have found that since FriendFeed added support for Disqus comments have increased as well. If the Disqus and FriendFeed teams do manage to get the write in FriendFeed to post in a Disqus comment stream this will again increase comments." - Steven Hodson
"The problem with Robert is that he doesn't answer email anymore - or at
least not from folks like me. I have had an email into him about something
else for almost a week with no answer so what would be the point." - Steven Hodson
I have 800 emails ahead of you. I bias my life to public interactions. ask here on FriendFeed. - Robert Scoble
besides the fact that I would prefer not to there isn't much point to the email now as the time for the reply (if any :) ) being useful has passed by - Steven Hodson
When you get that many emails, it is impossible to keep up. - David Risley
Commented directly to the blog, No doubt this dialog will continue - Charlie Anzman
Why would Steven post the email on Friendfeed? Obviously it was private and for your eyes only Scoble, if he took the time to email you. - Corvida
Well here's a thought - what if someone like Scoble was able to inject incoming emails into the FF flow (and then reply inline just like a regular comment, etc.) How cool is that. - Aviv
@aviv: haha - see the thread where those of us are bemoaning the fact that we have to mute some of scoble's FF input, even as we find it useful, it drowns out a lot of our other sources! :) - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
"Wait a second here. No where did I call Robert Scoble's relevance into question. What I did say was the the Scoble Effect - that being his ability to send traffic to a destination - in not what it once was.
There could be a lot of reasons for that of which relevance is only one. It could be that because he is doing more video than text posts, it could be that people just aren't clicking on links in his post.
As for picking a fight where one wasn't necessary there was no intention to pick a fight with anyone. I phrased my statement "as from my personal experience". I'm not looking for anyone to agree or disagree - that is the choice of the person reading.
The post wasn't about the discussion on FF per se but more as a traffic sign incase folks were wondering where a possible bitchmeme had gone to. I've saved my points about that discussion for another post. At that point maybe you can suggest some-one is looking for a fight but not here." - Steven Hodson
So Steven, you don't see "Well I hate to be the one to break it to you Robert but you magic is fading away to being a thing of the past. From personal experience neither your blog nor your link blog has the same power to send visitors anywhere that it once had." as calling his relevance into question? Really? OK, but then I'd say why is writing about an increasingly irrelevant blogger...relevant!? : ) - Robert Seidman
took me a second to realize you were commenting on FF rather than the blog. First off the post was a commentary on a possible bitchmeme in progress and some pointers to let folks get up to speed on it. So I wasn't writing about a blogger whose relevance is in question that just came out as part of the over all post. Should it have .. maybe not but that or he wasn't the reason for the post. I was trying to have a little bit of fun with a now staple of Friday afternoons and weekend boredom. - Steven Hodson
And it's a fact of life, too, even Robert can admit/see that, I think. He's distributed his influence away from his blog and into places like Twitter and FriendFeed. - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
I'm floored how this conversation has evolved (or devolved, depending on how you look at it). - David Risley
Is my blog less relevant? Absolutely. I haven't blogged much lately. But, yes, Mark is correct. I find it funny that some of the biggest bloggers are discussing whether or not I'm relevant anymore. Doesn't matter, to tell you the truth. Seagate made it clear today they are sponsoring my video show, not my blog or Twitter feed. - Robert Scoble
@David: It always comes back around to Scoble, in the end. :-p - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
is this anything like the lockin flash frontend radio player from CBS/AOL that was going to fundementally change the way we listen to the radio? - Steven Hodson
"I have no doubt that Robert is and will be more relevant than myself but
that doesn't change the fact that from where I am sitting and YMMV on this
the Scoble Effect is not what it once was." - Steven Hodson
Where is this grumpiness coming from? The references to snobbery and other words you use here are disappointing. And how does one know if they are on the good side and bad side by your definition? - Louis Gray
what grumpiness .. granted some statements are on the pointed side but I think if you look past them there are some valid points being made - especially if you tie in previous posts along with FF comment streams. - Steven Hodson
Some of the B-List blogs like Louis (if he can really be called B-List anymore) and Tony Hung (I miss him!) are among my favorite blogs. Others ooze with envy towards A-listers seemingly every other post. It will get them some attention for a while, then people mostly ignore them. - Robert Seidman
For what it's worth... I link _a lot_ to other people, both up and down the food chain. Looking at yesterday's discussion, had I been Scoble, the first link would go to David, and the second to FriendFeed. But that's just me. There's no "right way" or "wrong way". - Louis Gray
Gray: Grumpiness? It isn't grumpiness. I was using Scoble's statement to bring up an issue I thought was a worthy topic to conversation. - David Risley
Seidman: Envy has nothing to do with it. AT ALL. Bloggers create conversation. That's all I'm doing. Scoble was just a spark for a post idea. That's all. - David Risley
I mean in regards to phrases like "douchebags", "inbreeding", etc. I think the point could have been made with softer terms. - Louis Gray
Indeed douchebags and inbreeding come up in most conversations where bitter envy doesn't exist. Just because you aren't self-aware of it doesn't mean others can't see it! - Robert Seidman
@Robert - is asking some valid questions or pointing out inconsistancies now considered to be envy if the target of those questions happens to be an A-Lister who thinks that his pull is the same as it was even 6 months ago? - Steven Hodson
Steven, there are many ways to bring up topics of discussion and criticize ideas and people's ideas without seeming bitter. Some people master that, some do not, others do it under the notion that smack-talk generates more traffic. - Robert Seidman
@Robert - maybe David's choice of wording might have been on the blunt side at places in his post(s) but that doesn't change the fact that there are some valid points raised. Has it come to a point that we all have to pussy foot around with our choices of words when we want to express an opinion? Gawd knows I'm might not be the most gentle when making points am I now to guard my wording because someone might consider what I might be talking about as traffic generating smackdown? If this is the case then half of the A-List is just as guilty of this at some point or another as anyone else. - Steven Hodson
No pussyfooting is required, but again just because someone isn't aware they come off envious doesn't mean readers don't perceive it to be so. - Robert Seidman
I assume this is BitchMeme bait? Let's see if Techmeme performs as expected. - ron k jeffries
@ ron k I'm staying well clear of this one - Jason Kaneshiro
Gray: Click the link in the post on new media douchebags. I thought it was funny. Very tounge-in-cheek. If Seidman and Gray don't get that, then they just have a chip on their shoulder. You can't be a blogger and be sensitive. - David Risley
You will also note on my blog (at the top) that I call MYSELF a new media douchebag. So, Gray, step back and look around, man. Respectfully. :) - David Risley
Bitchmeme well played! Who knew I could start one by not linking? Heh! - Robert Scoble
Funny you mispelled Gillmor's name. Who is snobby now? - Robert Scoble
You absolutely CAN be a blogger and be sensitive as MANY have proved, David. I don't really care what you think about me any more than I imagine you care what I think about you, and in that regard I think we're both equally desensitized. My opinion is, all your tongue-in-cheek humor aside is that it's over the top and that you are envious. I completely get that you don't have to give a rat's behind what I think. Respectfully : ) - Robert Seidman
People think too much about the value of links and not enough about the value of their content. I guess you have to ask yourself why you're blogging. Is it because you have something to say, or because you want to play a game of tag and add up a rank score? - William Beem
Scoble: So I did. Funny how many spellings you find online for that guy's name. :) - David Risley
Seidman: If you want to be my shrink, then get in line, dude. - David Risley
@Willam Beem thanks! finally we get back to the crux of things. - Alex von Halem
@Willam Beem thanks! finally we get back to the crux of things. - Alex von Halem
Risely: I don't want to be your anything and William Beem is spot on. - Robert Seidman
Beem: If you read my post, what I'm trying to say is that the link has nothing to do with rank. It has to do with going to the source of a conversation. A cut through the noise. Perhaps this is a little bit of personal journalistic integrity, but if you're going to comment on a person, you link to them. It is what I've always done and that is the issue I tried to bring up. All these calls about my envy and wanting rank...seriously, is this what the blogosphere has evolved into? - David Risley
I gotta unplug for family time with the wife and 4-month old. Actually....pssst...I'm going to go dress up like Scoble. Don't tell anybody. - David Risley
David: I read your post, but I don't understand why you felt it was necessary to link to your blog instead of the conversation? To my perspective, it seemed as though you were more interested in attention (and potential traffic) than how someone continued the conversation. Perhaps you or others have a different perspective. Whether you're envious of anyone else didn't come through to me. However, I did think that you wanted rank. Why else complain that a so-called A-lister didn't link to you? - William Beem
I read your previous post, and there was nothing original about it. The most important thing was the conversation generated here in FriendFeed because of it, that's why I think Robert linking here and not directly to your blog was ok. Besides, there was a link to your blog at the top of the page anyway. - Alejandro S.
Is all a chain process, people see something with many comments here(like this post) and they check out whats all the buzz about. Ultimately your still benefiting from it. - Gadiel Rivera
Jeez. Perhaps I need to draw you guys a diagram. It isn't about my benefit from Scoble. There are bigger fish to fry than worrying about a link from Scoble. I didn't write the post with Scoble in mind (not the first one). You guys are so worried about petty blogger politics that you're missing the larger point. - David Risley
I'm definitely not linking to David Risley ever again. Hah! Slow news day, if my linking behavior gets so many people up in arms. - Robert Scoble
Oh the del.icio.us irony - 'David Risley (friend of Robert Scoble)' - Andy C
Scoble: I find it ironic that you've been called irrelevant and diluted while we're all sitting here talking about you. I am floored with the many different directions FriendFeed takes a blog post - ways I never intended when I wrote the post. - David Risley
I may need to check Evernote out again. It's been a couple of years since I've played with it and I'm tired of hearing how fantastic it is! - Carla Thompson
Evernote looks awesome, just need to get in the habit of using it. - Shey
@Erhan .. no not really - the developers have made it pretty easy to use. I think the problem may be on an individual basis as some folks may actually just forget it is there. It doesn't really register as an alternative way of keeping notes maybe - Steven Hodson
@Steven I will try for you again : ) See u! - Erhan Erdogan
Do current Evernote users get invites to hand out? If so, could you spare one? Tired of gNotebook compromises. - Jeremy James
Annoying thing about Evernote: once you download it, you have to wait for an account invitation from the service. It says "may take a couple of days." I downloaded yesterday morning and am still waiting... - Carla Thompson
Kelly has a couple of invites. I'm sitting on one! Yet another project for this weekend. I will tell him to toss one your way to see if it gets to you first. - Shellee OBrien
I have twenty invites. Drop me an e-mail ([my first name] at the domain [my last name] dot net, and I'll send out invites either late tonight or early tomorrow in the order received (and I'll edit this comment when they're all spoken for). - Adam Lasnik
Just got it from him, Shellee. Thanks! And are you as befuddled by eRepublik as I am? - Carla Thompson
yes. looked. clicked this or that and thought I don't have time for this. - Shellee OBrien
They're teamin' up?! Headline: "Gray to go to Fast Company" - Charlie Anzman
@Charlie - as much as that might be in jest I doubt given the babies on the way that Louis is looking to move from a secure job to an insecure one :) - Steven Hodson
@Steven Can't I spread a false rumor for a change? Everyone else does it - Charlie Anzman
Ummm. That mean's that Friendfeed is effectively on hold until they get done :-) - Brian D. Eisenberg
Louis will figure out how to get someone to sponsor his blog for 6 figures. Then Louis Gray conferences, etc. Not a rumor, just a prediction that he'll do just fine. - Robert Seidman
@Charlie :) I'm just being my cranky self -- don't mind me ... @Robert - now that I wouldn't be surprised at all if it happened at some point - Steven Hodson
@Seidman I want a seat on that panel (conference) and I'll sell the rest of my web stuff and start enjoying this stuff more! I'm freikin' tired :) - Charlie Anzman
oh oh. The LouisRobertGrayScobleFeed is on break for food! Hope you guys have a great dinner! Send us pictures. :-) - Mitchell Tsai
No pictures from dinner, but there was a video on Qik earlier, if you can find it. And unfortunately for some, fortunately for others, I have no business transactions to announce. Thanks for dinner, Robert. Good to meet you again. - Louis Gray
@Beau - if you were upgrading to 2.5 you aren't alone with that problem. Besides myself I have heard this from a number of folks who use the plugin all the time. - Steven Hodson
No, it's not just you. :) The admin change introduced several new probs. - engtech
I think a lot of the Admin is nothing but a step backwards in useability - Steven Hodson
it's grown on me, now I am used to it. But I definitely do not like the rich text editor and have turned it off. - Jason Kaneshiro
Whenever I try to do anything in the admin Firefox starts taking up like > 100% cpu and tons of RAM. It's completely unusable for me. I need to migrate to something else. Does anyone have any suggestions? - Michael Matuzak
I use Habari - it's under development but works fine. The Admin interface is beautifully simple and uncluttered. - Andy C
I can't believe IE6 is still on this PC at work, and we're an IT company! - Colin Walker
@Colin same at my company, our customer service don't have admin so they are still using IE6. I have had IE7 on my system for a while and IE8 on my VM which I don't use much at the moment! - Joe
absolutely -- I've started by allowing my blog to crash IE6 -- http://www.sheysmith.com ....actually I just haven't gotten around to figuring out what's causing the problem :P - Shey
"To be fair I am a big fan of FriendFeed *but* I come at using it from the
perspective that it is a tool and as such I need to be selective on who I
add and how I fine tune the service so I can work with the noise rather than
it overwhelm me. I also like the fact that topics that have had new comments
added to get moved to the top but I do believe that there should be a date
limit on that happening as getting month old posts resurfacing because
someone just discovered them isn't beneficial IMO." - Steven Hodson
