Waiting for countless Moby Dick references. Go. - Shawn Farner
@rahsheen - agreed. switched it to "Twitter draws closer to harpooning the Fail Whale" - MG Siegler
i've definitely enjoyed the increased uptime. but they shouldn't even announce progress until we can reliably go back say ten pages into older tweets. I'm also frustrated by the never ending error messages from my twitter clients (twhirl on my pc and twitterific on my mac) saying i've exceeded 70 requests per hour. nevertheless, i am a bit excited that constant downtime may be a thing of the past. - mike
@mike - yeah i thought it was a bit early to trumpet a success at first too (mission: accomplished anyone?) but then again those are some pretty solid numbers and twitter did kick ass yesterday with its 30 minute maintenance in a two hour window. - MG Siegler
All they need to do is move their offices to Nantucket. - Jonathan Beckett
Great title! Twitter does need to stop blowing so badly. - wrecks
Does this improvement correlate to the addition of Pivotal Labs to the Twitter team? - AJ Kohn
Tell me that headline is suppose to be ironic:-) What happens when you fill the blowhole on a whale?...think about it - Duncan Riley
"There are no weekend box office charts for online videos. But if there were, near or at the very top of the list right now might well be a four-and-a-half-minute video called “Dancing,” which more than four million people have viewed on YouTube, and perhaps another million on other sites, in the just over two weeks since it appeared. It’s the online equivalent of a platinum hit, seeping from one computer to the next like a virus." - Robert Seidman via Bookmarklet
This actually made me tear up when I saw it. Some whimsy is just plain lovely. Maybe this species isn't doomed. - Ayşe E.
I love this video. What I can't believe, though, is that the NYT used "peripatetic" in a headline. - Chris Baskind
Chris, I didn't see the print version of the paper today so I'm not sure if that's the print headline or not. The headline on the web version of the article is actually:" A Private Dance? Four Million Web Fans Say No" but the page title/SEO headline is the one above. - Robert Seidman
I'm fascinated by the Giambi mustache. and it's funny to me how the Yankees have such a strict code for hair length, facial hair, etc. Why not loosen up and allow beards? - Mike Doeff
"Yankees owner George Steinbrenner never had a problem with moustaches, but he has always reviled beards and long hair. Several Yankees players, including Thurman Munson, Reggie Jackson, and Dave Winfield, have grown beards as contractual bargaining tools or simply, to rankle "The Boss." On Opening Day 1976, Steinbrenner even insisted that team publicist Marty Appel recall the Yankees yearbooks, as several players were depicted with long hair." http://www.baseballlibrary.com... - Mike Doeff
more likely testing launch of App store before the big day, they always do this before something big, but hey it's Tuesday on the East Coast, so you never know. - Wayne Sutton
weird though, they normally don't take it down this early for a tuesday new product launch... - MG Siegler
my money is on the app store. minor upgrades if any on the macbooks - Joseph Skerbec via twhirl
I'm hoping for the redesigned Macbooks (crosses fingers). - Howard Saavedra
awesome news, now how about posting TWiT a few minutes early tonight in celebration? - Jordan
We don't hold on to TWiT - Dane posts it the minute it's ready. (Which should be soon.) - Leo Laporte
Is it cool just to buy a 32MB iTouch, most of the coolness, none of the AT&T? - Steven Van Tilburg via twhirl
Leo, can we get an audio stream feed of the daily TwitLive for us bandwidth challenged. I'm using EV-DO and it still doesn't quite keep up with your high bps. What speed are you sending out? - Keith Rowland
I figured it'd be cool to buy a used, deactivated iPhone with most of the coolness and none of the AT&T, and it would still have the potential to be a phone again. - MiniMage
I wonder if Super Monkey Ball would fit on a 32 MB iPod Touch:) - Grant
I have to agree with Keith, Leo. Is there going to be an audio stream or podcast of some of the twitlive activities for the new iPhone debut? Being on dial-up it's hard for me to watch the video streaming. - Molly
Waiting to see magic unroll on the iPhone 3G marathon coverage.. Leo, who is joining you on the 24 live? - Du Senyao Peter
Leo should do it telethon style... Have really cheesey variety acts, I'm thinking a singing dog and a bird that runs a obsticle course. Then every hour you could cut to a scene of Dane and Colleen at a bank of telephones and a counter of some sort. "Hi and welcome back to the iPhone-a-thon, lets go to Dane in the tally room... how we going Dane?" - John Worthington
check out js-kit for integration - Loic - talk to Khris at js-kit and get Seesmic integrated for comment re-integration - Ivan Pope via twhirl
Disqus automatically integrating FF comments would be great. - Kevin Bondelli
I don’t believe it is ethical to claim comments back from people who write them on FriendFeed. This means imposing power on your readers. If people want to comment on your blog, they can do it but that is not their preference. And you are not asking people if they want their comments to be seen on your blog. - Kerem Ozkan
I don't care where it takes place. I', just happy to have a good conversation. - shelisrael1
i'd love disqus to do this, as that would be one less plug in (ff comments) installed on my blog - Jason Kaneshiro
Though, if it weren't for friendfeed, many folks like me probably wouldn't see it to start with. - adam christensen
but to comment on FF is so much more easier and faster...it's Twhirl fault !! - Jean-François Amadei via twhirl
Yeah, the same for me. I've installed the WP plugin, but it keeps telling me there aren't comments on FriendFeed. - Gianluca Neri via twhirl
Guess it might be too late to capitalize on my Disqus-friendfeed comment combiner, huh? - klecu
Agreed...it did take too long. I've dampered Twitter and FriendFeed news in general (by requiring more buzz before posting) to prevent Techmeme from getting too silly and esoteric, but looks like that was the wrong thing today. - Gabe Rivera
Gabe - that's interesting to hear. Good question = what commenting/liking constitutes buzz for Techmeme? - Hutch Carpenter
thanks Gabe, glad you're on it, as always. - Loic Le Meur
I think it's incremental. The more follows a person has determines the noisiness. For high followers the noise on Twitter is incrementally worse than 4 FF. - Andrew Dobrow
Robert, there I will disagree with u.Noise generation has more opurtunity here, since 1.) U have no 140 char restriction, 2.) U can comment like mad. Though the second is a good feature to have in social app. But it also opens the avenue for major abuse - Arjun
It's not incremental. There are FAR more noisy posts on Twitter than on FriendFeed. You need to watch behavior over a lot wider range of people. Twitter noise, however, goes away within seconds and does not pop back up. - Robert Scoble
agree with you Andrew. Ultimately FF is better at managing the noise - Duncan Riley
Arjun, the huge noise reduction in FF comes down to two things. The hide feature, and most importantly, threaded conversation. Twitter is a purely linear system. Everything is thrown at you with no real sense of filtering. I'm much more likely to comment on a 2 days old FF post, rather than reply to a 2 day old Tweet. The lifespan of a Tweet is just so short. - Andrew Dobrow
Arjun: you haven't found the Hide feature yet. Also, you haven't studied the problem. Go and look at 1,000 Tweets over here. http://friendfeed.com/public?s... -- see, over here we can look at everything both with Tweets and without. Also, because you can hide things the noise goes away. You need to learn how to use Hide, that's a major way to get rid of noise. - Robert Scoble
Andrew: right, but lots of people are used to the "river" style of knowing that new things are at top and old things are at bottom. FriendFeed screws with that system, by bringing old things back up. FF really works when you look at it every few minutes. - Robert Scoble
Twitter is noisier than FriendFeed but Twitter is easier to manage. - Rom Feria
Robert, I think it's incremental in the fact that the more follows you lend out includes a higher likely hood of following a noisy user, as well as building up the timeline. As the number gains, so does the noise. But the ratio which proves the noise difference between FF and Twitter becomes so much more apparent after you reach a certain follow threshhold. That's what I meant by incremental. - Andrew Dobrow
Andrew: I think most people don't even know what noise is. Over on Twitter the messages go away so quickly that no one can really get too bad by a lame Tweet. While here the noise lingers. Look at all the "FriendFeed" talk over here. To me that's starting to be major noise, but to someone else, that's probably a fun conversation. Which is why I start using "Hide." - Robert Scoble
wow, interesting discussion. twitter is WAY more noisy. FF is a conversation and the content is more compelling making the noise less likely - Ryan
Rom: I find that statement interesting. Can you dig into why you think Twitter is easier to manage? - Robert Scoble
Robert, hide is a great fallback when the threaded conversation isn't something you want to see in the first place. Because what might be a strong signal for some is simply noise to others. But ultimately, the conversations which last on FF are much more reliable with the signal:noise ratio. - Andrew Dobrow
Which is why Friendfeed adding the "Show best of:" feature was so genius. Great for those who want to see the highlights but don't feel like sifting through the noise to scope out something new. - Andrew Dobrow
Well I agree with both Robert and Andrew on ur comment on "hide" func.It definitely reduces the noise. But Andrew, since in FF is non-linear and u CAN track and comment on 2 days old post,think FF lends to "creation" of noise there.But I agree on 1 thing.Its ultimately the id of people u follow:more noisy they r,more noise in ur stream.Also i agree with threshold thing.After a time diff between twitter and FF become marked,if u cross a certain threshold of followers - Arjun
Arjun, a post on FF which lasts 2 days is most likely not noise. If enough people are talking, it ceases to become noise and becomes, what I think is the most important part of the experience, a social pool of sorts. A post lasting two days on FF is much more likely to be less noisy than one person rambling about something for two days on Twitter. - Andrew Dobrow
And lets be clear, i'm talking about a post that last 2 days consistently on the front page, not a post that falls away after its posting, gets a comment the next day, and then falls out of existence again. - Andrew Dobrow
As my number of contacts grows, Twitter is turning into a river of disjointed comments and noise. They really need to add threading to the model. That alone would be a huge step forward. - David Sim
David, and that's EXACTLY what I meant when I said it's incremental. - Andrew Dobrow
David, Thats a feature which I HAVE BEEN shouting is badly needed in Twitter.Along with Federation support similar to identi.ca. But first let Twitter shed the failwhale and get to be stable. And scalable.And that seems possible with Big guns of RoR - Pivotlabs being involved.All in all I still beleive, twitter is a Great platform and a very god messaging service.In fact FF and Twitter can survive side by side and have both service's noise levels reduced in their own respective ways - Arjun
Andrew, as we just spoke, I hate the spammer who also contribute majorly to confusing noise. like @twish...i dont follow it...nor want...but i see tweets in my time line from it since , Andrew whome I follow, wished something...There shud be crack commondo teams against these spammmers - Arjun
I think we all need the old idea of Groups. SNs has (mostly) avoided that, but with the growth of contacts the noise is heavy, if you're looking for something specific. I agree that it's useful for discovering un-thinked things, but it's the opposite for communicating. I'd like to be able to collect group of friends, like having old fashioned rooms... why not? - Alberto D'Ottavi
I agree there's no way to filter twitter! At the time I use noiseriver so I can scan the page after the things that are recommended for me ;) - JegerPhil - Phil via NoiseRiver
Alberto, we already have that, FF rooms, Twitter channels, which can be made private...they are "groups" in new age avatar - Arjun
Twitter has never been noisy for me, but that's because I don't friend many people who I don't know (either met face-to-face, or have conversed with online enough to "know" them). FriendFeed is noisier, even if you follow the same rules - until you find how to stop "friend of a friend" posts appearing. However, neither service is noisy UNLESS you're completely unselective about who you friend - and that's a social, not technical issue. - Ian Betteridge
Ian: give me a break. Just ONE TWEET of yours is this: "Waiting for a bus, which is stupid on a Sunday." How is THAT not noisy? I don't see much crap like that originating on FriendFeed. Almost 8 out of 10 tweets are stupid stuff like that that don't contain any real information that anyone other than the author would care for. - Robert Scoble
Robert: That's because I use Twitter as a channel for my real-world friends, to post real-world information. Note the brightkite link on that post? That tells them where, exactly, I was. If they were in the area, they could contact me. The fact that you CHOOSE to subscribe to that local information is your problem, not mine. FF is different - it's much more about sharing non-local, non-friend information like links, comments, posts. - Ian Betteridge
And, of course, that's why FF and Twitter are NOT in competition - they're built to do different jobs, hence my general irritation with people constantly comparing the two. - Ian Betteridge
Which is why I'd like FF to have its own status notifications. Because that's what the bus tweet you're talking about is. If FF had its own notifications, we could uniformly filter them as we wish. As it is now, status notifications come into the FF system from all over the place, so they're not practical to filter. - Chris Baskind
Chris: yeah, but the good thing about FF is that you can filter out Twitters where people use them as I do. That "Hide" command really is super-powerful :) - Ian Betteridge
Ian: I could keep going. Look at http://twitter.com/ianbetterid... as an outsider. There's a TON of noise there. Now, compare to the average FriendFeed post. I get a lot less noise on FF. A lot more stuff that's actionable. That I care about. Etc. And not just me, either. Also, FriendFeed just hasn't settled into small groups yet. It will thanks to the rooms and other features, plus the number of people here is growing fast and they will want to talk about weirder and weirder things. - Robert Scoble
Robert: What *you* think of as "noise" is, to people I know, not noise. The fact is that you see (and use) Twitter as a broadcast, micro-publishing medium. That's fine. However, that doesn't mean everyone uses it that way. What's noise to you is interesting information to others. Stop making assumptions that the way you use a service is the only way that people can, or should use it - and stop thinking that what's noise to you is noise to everyone else. - Ian Betteridge
Ian: no, I see Twitter as a way to keep in touch with the people I care about. Keep in mind I LOVE NOISE! It's why I love Twitter and keep showing up there and keep watching it. But those who say that Twitter is not full of noise are totally wrong. And, interesting information? Not likely. You are puffing up your Tweets too much. The fun thing about Tweets is that they rarely have any interesting information. - Robert Scoble
But Robert, you're missing the point of what I'm saying: What *you* interpret as "noise" isn't "noise' to someone who has a different kind of relationship. I'm not puffing them up at all - I'm saying that they're really not written for you. If you read them, you might find them noisy, but that's because they're simply not intended for you. - Ian Betteridge
Remember our conversation about Upcoming? This is another example of that. You use it to find interesting things all over the world. I use it to find *local* events which my friends are going to, and that I can go to as well. In other words, you use it as a window onto virtual events - I use it solely as a window for real-space events. The way you use it would be unbearably noisy for me - and the way I use it would be dull (and hence noisy) to you. Noise is relative - not an absolute. - Ian Betteridge
Most of us probably have twitter fed into friendfeed (or will have soon), so the noise should be inherently similar / larger in friendfeed. We might have different thresholds? - Cynic Root
I'm not sure I agree completely. Here's why: Friendfeed aggregates Twitter *and* your other social media profiles, whether they be Digg, Reddit, StumbleUpon, Mixx, your Tumblr blog, your personal blog, your Disqus activity, your Amazon wishlist -- you get my point. Twitter, on the other hand, is ... well, only Twitter (and services that you wish to add on top of Twitter -- in my case, Brightkite). I purposely follow a lot less people on Twitter than FF for that reason. Even so, FF has too many profiles. - Tamar Weinberg
...and I say that even though you *can* hide the intrusive social media profiles. - Tamar Weinberg
the one thing Twitter has it is that it was first before FF in that space. And that brings name recognition to the "masses" and a large inertia that you have to overcome before you can become a true replacement, no matter what technical advantages you bring to the table. I have 5 times more followers in Twitter than FF, and sadly a mass migration doesn't seem to be happening for these folks. - Daniel Robitaille
Your post to a given site takes on more life when it hits the pages of friendfeed. It's almost like you weigh where you want to "release" a post first knowing that it will get "picked up" by friendfeed. - todddoubleu
I do not think Twitter will survive as CMS systems that run into message bus systems are the hardest to scale on ruby on rails nd they do not have the money to fight two fronts ruby on rails scalability and new features to stave off competition. - Fred Grott
good link, allen. some additional default choices would be fantastic. read: better discovery mechanisms. having only members of the echo chamber as default choices makes for a duller feed. no offense to present company. ;) - Wolfsbayne
I think all this FF > Twitter discourse is seriously, seriously underestimating the power of Twitter's unparalleled portability. It's 100% usable through SMS and has an iPod-esque ecosystem of third party tools and add-ons that hook into it. These things brought Twitter to its throne, and now you guys aren't even factoring them into the equation because of a little downtime. - David Chartier
i'll post some thoughts on my blog, but one thing that is still annoying is represented in this post... where your friendfeed shows all aggregated iterations of this post here on ff and it just feels silly as i can choose which iteration to leave a comment on. that's an issue. maybe you should turn comments off on the other instances. except that you cannot because its not a feature. also, check out http://friendfeed.com/frendfee... to see some aggregation bugs. - sull
Jason, that's a brilliant "There Will Be Blood" reference. And so true. I'm afraid that Twitter is just a couple of weeks from being bludgeoned with a bowling pin by FF. - Frank Roche
I think the removal of a character limit would hurt twitter more than help it. Twitter was never meant as a conversation platform. I think keeping it small and simple makes it much easier for people to use. One of it's biggest strengths is that it's a short form messaging service, and to take that away would make it something that isn't twitter. - Austin Brown
Jason, I fully agree with what you say here. - Steve Rubel
I love the fact that there is no premium linked with the number of connections you have. In twitter the greater the number of connections, the higher you appear in the "following" list of your follower. That has become a reason of spam, lowering the quality of the twitter network. Plus, FF works. - Marcello Del Bono
I can see how Twitter is useful for people who post via SMS, but while Im at the computer FF is far more useful and also more fun to use - Jeff Hoard via twhirl
I could offer my agreement here on your entry's content, but I'd rather tell you how much I dug the entry's title. - Donna Mugavero
I'll put it this way, i never used twitter because I'm not part of the technorati community, but I do use Friendfeed because it allows me to bring together all my online content and then share it with the people I want. That alone is enough for FF to beat out Twitter for me. - Alfredo Padilla
I think one of the things we have missed carries forward or plays forward a Robert Scoble post, see : http://scobleizer.com/2008/07/... ..let me put it in non tech terms as it pertains to start-ups. FOUNDERS MUST PARTICIPATE IN THE COMMUNITIES THAT FROM AROUND THEIR PRODUCTS! When I state founders I mean also the ones building the product. - Fred Grott
What it comes down to me is *noise*. FriendFeed is just noisy, what with content from all my social media friends all being dumped into one stream with no organization whatsoever. I look at my FF friends page and I can't make any rhyme or reason to what I'm seeing, even with little favicons to identify which service I'm reading from. Twitter, is clean and organized. - Stephen Lopez
School of ALL CAPS is a little loud... ;-) - Mitchell Tsai
I think Center Networks (Allen) has an interesting analysis. I'll be curious to see if the high profile FF users are as interested in commenting on other people's feeds as having their own words commented upon. Twitter just seems like a more democratic forum to me. Personally, I don't care if it is down a couple hours a week. FF only supplements it, it is not an adequate replacement. And I like to write more than 140 characters! Still Twitter is my first choice. - Liz
PS... Because I use the Flock browser, I get all my social media updates right from the Media Bar and People Sidebar, without ever having to open Twitter, YouTube, Flickr, Facebook, Pownce, Digg, etc... Everything I want is right there at the click of an icon. Flock > FF. - Stephen Lopez
I wouldn't underestimate twitter's connection through sms. It makes it the first legit mobile social network, and that is significant for mass adoption and use. Most people don't have internet on their phone to use a web app (iPhone Facebook, Tumblr, etc.) or internet (twitpic, friendfeed, etc.) to send email to update or submit to services. But they are very likely to have sms service, and are used to using it. - Tony
my milkshake brings all the boys to the yard - Tyler
I agree to what you say but besides Twitter reliability, its major flaw is really the reply (or conversation) system which is close to be useless. I guess FriendFeed gained a lot of people (at least myself) because of its efficient conversation system. - fbrunel
Jason, I agree with you a lot of the time but not in this case. I think it would be suicide for Twitter to get into a features arms race with FriendFeed. They would lose that battle. Twitter needs to focus on keeping it simple, getting stable, and becoming a short messaging infrastructure - not a destination. - Mike Doeff
Mike, I think you're right on. Twitter would do better to solidify its differentiation. - Clay Newton
Agreed. I have flip flopped a couple of times on which service I prefer, but FriendFeed is clearly in the lead. If they launch a great iPhone app next Friday it could be thing that pushes them over the hump. - Scott Watermasysk
FF's iPhone web app is fun and all, but a native app could offer a lot more functionality without having to wait for page loads and other clunkiness. I'm hoping for a native app too. - David Chartier
Twitter has become a victim of the success it created for itself. As Twitter gained popularity it naturally creates a market for competition. Its poor performance allowed FF to grow. Many of Twitters power users have begun to migrate communication, and followers to FF wanted to see what it is all about. Twitter has lost its first movers advantage. I would not have been able to even make this post on Twitter. FF invites conversation and dialogue. Sorry Bezos, you may have made the wrong investment. - Fred Neil
I would love it if FF came out with a native iPhone app that took advantage of push notifications by alerting me based on certain criteria. - Granteezy
Agree. Twitter just isn't built for the type of robust sharing and conversations that make FF really interesting. Twitter is like shouting into a canyon, FF is like being at a noisy bar. Sorry, but too many Tweets are just status updates: You're going to Subway for lunch, whoopee! FF gets a lot better when you hide non-commented on Tweets. As for FF enhancements, I'd like a merge function so the same content from various people/feeds are collapsed into one master. That way I can see all comment streams. - AJ Kohn
Keep in mind that twitter was not initially made for replies, the whole @ sign reply came from users wanting a way to reply and Twitter then started to support the method - Ray Slakinski via twhirl
Looks like Twitter has lost the first mover advantage, and now FF has the first mover advantage with its features. Though since Twitter was the first mover in the beginning it still has a bunch of people who are on it and not on other sites and also has a familiar interface and more third party applications that are compatible with it than Twitter does. Favorite thing so far about FF is the new Seesmic feature to reply to a seesmic post from within FF, really killer. - Andrew Fielding
I'm still one of the few that want's Jaiku to get back in the game! Google is dropping the ball there!!! - tomit
"At this point in my life I don’t need to make money with my photography" , I wish I was loaded with $$$ so I can pursue my hobby fulltime :)- - Peter Dawson
Haha, Peter, I'm far from "loaded," but photography certainly couldn't pay for the mortgage and four kids that I'm supporting right now. If I could quit my day job and focus on photography full time I'd do it in a heartbeat. It's going to be many years before that happens though. - Thomas Hawk
that self portrait pic is one of my favorites - every time I see it I am impressed by the depth and complexity represented by such a simple picture - been meaning to tell you that for a while. - Marco
Bill Wadman is an amazing portrait photographer. One of the best. That photo he took of me is my favorite of all of the photos I've ever seen of myself. I love how he juxtaposed my camera and the security camera. His 365 project is definitely worth checking out. http://www.365portraits.com/in... - Thomas Hawk
good gosh he is talented - those pics are amazing - Marco
guys do sudoku at the firehall ,,leo - fotographic
Someone tweeted me the site http://fitbrains.com - seems similar to Lumosity but it's free. And, of course, I've done Brain Age on the DS. Similar games. - Leo Laporte
Leo, I think if you love what you are doing and are excited every day about life and can't wait to get up and doing, then your brain will still rock on WAY into your 100s. You got the juice Leo! You'll last all the way. The bliss of being engaged in something exciting, inspiring, helpful, etc --- that's the best for me to keep my mind clear. That and a book to index on molecular neuropharmacology! - Jeff Evans
Has anyone used both Lumosity and Fit Brains that can recommend one? $7/month isn't bad, and is half the price of WoW. :-P - Matt Horton
I do this kind of thing all of the time. I recently decided to go back and revisit algebra and calculus just for the mental exercise. - Akiva Moskovitz
Thanks Leo for the links to Lumosity and FitBrains - cool - Susan Beebe
Susan Beebe just tweeted FitBrains. I'm about to sign up for it now. Looks fun :) - Corvida
It's gotten so bad that I have to regulate myself. I use a plug-in for FireFox called Leechblock that you can use to limit your time during the work day.: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-... - Dan Kaplan
huh? F5 just blips my Mac's little sound level at me. - Thomas Hawk
@Thomas F5 = Command + R on a PC. Refresh. - Parth Awasthi
Yes, FF is the new internet addiction. F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5... - Tad Donaghe
The only way to solve this problem is for you people to post quicker ;) - Earl E Morningwood
@Jason you essentially just told Amy Winehouse she should check herself into rehab - how likely do you think we are to match your show of discipline? lol ; ) - Marco
At some point we just need FF to auto-refresh every second and include a pause button so we can stop the action to read stuff that catches our eyes. That would be pretty freaky, huh? - Tad Donaghe
it has been eating into my reading and sleeping time - RAPatton
What? Reading Friendfeed isn't constructive or creative? - Tom Landini
Sometimes I interrupt what I'm doing (re-reading the manual for Twilight Struggle) just to check for new FriendFeed action. Totally addicted. - Akiva Moskovitz
I do that too. But now we're going to see the Incredible Hulk. - Robert Scoble
F5=Crack. Crack is Whack. Flickr = Crack. FF is the new Flickr. - Russellreno
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O... It helps if you don't notice the walls of the maze aren't very high and there are these people looking down on you. - Karim
RusselReno, I had to double-check to make sure that you weren't Steve Gillmor - Todd McKinney
time consumption is simply the manual behavior. Get an auto refresher and save a micro second. ;) then again, if you want to remain aware, you have to read everything! - thecolor
use twhirl and updates come automatically to your desktop... no need of refresh, layout is awesome (discussions, etc) - Gustavo Munoz via twhirl
If we could get paid for using FriendFeed, wouldn't we all have our own private islands? - possible248
More like one palm tree, a couple of rocks, and a sewage outflow. - Akiva Moskovitz
pretty impressive, I can't relate to those numbers; i have 49 on Friendfeed and 175 on Twitter - Lou Paglia
in any case thanks for following me! directeur on Twitter I follow 8439 people and about 500 on Friendfeed I think. Friendfeed shows you a lot of content from people you don't follow (if they comment or friends of people you follow) so it's not the same on FF. You can read lots of people you do not have to follow on FF which I like, some people find it's noise. - Loic Le Meur
Loic, I actually share your opinion on the subject :) I was just (how do we say "taquiner" in english btw?) :) - directeur via NoiseRiver
1880 follow me on twitter and so far 362 on Friendfeed, (but I've only just started really using it properly). Because of this, they are quite different experiences for me at the moment. I'm really liking that you can see different types of content in ff, and that you can see all the comments of a conversation together. I do wish there were more women commenting though, as I mentioned in a Share yesterday. - jjprojects
For me, 1,128 on twitter and 121 on friendfeed - Christian Burns
Having a lot of followers here quickly might have something to do with the fact that followers can quite easily be moved over from twitter to here, do you think? I've found that. Twhirl is another incentive to use ff as well as twitter, Loic :) - jjprojects
I think the real question is whether we are creating an echo chamber. I think not. I find this all very meaningful. - Kris Kelley
2,629 follow here, and 1,288 on Twitter. I don't think Loic follows me on either. :-) - Louis Gray
No offense, but isn't all this numbers-posting stuff (that seems to be the latest A-lister trend) kinda B.S.? How much do you actually read? How much do you contribute? And more importantly, how much is it changing your life for the better? How much are you changing others' lives? Otherwise, heck, it's Friendster all over again. "I have 50 friends!" "Well, I have 500!!!" :P - Adam Lasnik
Adam: you can click over to the right to see how many people and conversations I interact with. This is a LOT different than Friendster. - Robert Scoble
good point Adam, it is not how many that matters, it is who follows you. In this case I was just trying to check the proportions. - Loic Le Meur
Loic: who follows you really doesn't matter. Who YOU follow defines you. Inputs vs. outputs. If you just care who is consuming your outputs you'll soon be a pretty shallow fellow. Me? I want to follow smart people and have conversations with them. Better inputs makes me smarter. - Robert Scoble
except robert thinks anyone not voting for obama isn't smart. - Wolfsbayne
Loic, yep, now I see you were focusing on the ratio. Sorry for being a bit over-snarky perhaps; I've just seen so many threads lately on "Look how many followers I have on [x] service!" And Robert, I see your point, but -- as I've challenged you in the past -- I still haven't been convinced of the "worth" issue. You are splendiforously active online. You follow a zillion people. Zillions follow you. Has it made lives appreciably better, or is it just so much gee whiz, look at the latest? - Adam Lasnik
Adam: does reading the New York Times or watching CNN made lives appreciably better? How could I even try to make such an audacious claim? That said, this morning I had breakfast with a bunch of Twitterers/FriendFeeders and we had a great time. That made MY life better. - Robert Scoble
Personally, I think watching CNN makes folks' lives worse, and I'm less and less keen on the NYT, so not sure those are great examples :P. But yeah, I think pretty much every action one undertakes should make lives better. Simple things: flossing teeth. Reading Digg for hours on end? Probably not so much. Subjective? Absolutely. But speaking as someone who has wasted (yes, wasted) way too much time online at times, I am happy to (somewhat hypocritically) call others out on what I perceive as... - Adam Lasnik
a strongly overinflated sense of the importance of online activity. With that said, using online interactions to make one's real life richer... that's something I agree is awesome :). - Adam Lasnik
Adam: on my best of days yes, I try to make your lives better through my media. But only history can judge whether I actually rose to that level. - Robert Scoble
Fair enough, Robert. And while I fundamentally disagree with a lot of your philosophies and often don't share your (sincere) excitement for many online things, I do think your heart's in the right place :) - Adam Lasnik
I'm not sure if I absolutely understand the direct FF:Twitter correlation. For discussion, tweets are fleeting, FF is permanent. - David Adewumi
My Twitter is more quantative,FriendFeed more qualitative:) - Igor Poltavskiy
David: everything on the Internet is permanent thanks to Google. I get what you are trying to say, though. I call this the "half life of a conversation." On Twitter it's a few minutes. On FriendFeed? More than an hour. - Robert Scoble
imho, tweets about # of followers is major turn-off. i can't count that high. not in English. Not in French ;-) - Andy Sternberg
I wonder what the guys@twitter got to say about all this 'end of twitter' talk going on out there.....anything i missin here ? - Jassim
Sincere question: Howdo followers create value for you (from $ to brand, etc.)? Any "before" and "after" analysis? It is great for us all to be talking a lot - I am just starting to pull back and see what the real value is and would love your thoughts! - Tony via twhirl
one thing to consider when comparing FF and Twitter follower numbers is that you don't have to follow someone to see their stuff in FF. For example, I see this thread not because I follow Loic, but I follow Louis Gray and he follows Loic. Unlike Twitter, this makes it much easier for new comers to be part of the conversation in FF. - berkay
@RobertScoble Twitter's traffic more FriendFeed's one though - Igor Poltavskiy
Robert, I know you want to follow tons of people, I followed your advise on Twitter following 8500 people and to be honest that turned my feed in something unreadable, but I agree on the concept. I would like to listen to all of the people who follow me, but not always. Stephanie, absolutely right. - Loic Le Meur
Honestly, what does Twitter offer me that Friendfeed doesn't already take care of? The benefit of twitter was the ability to have mass conversations and those are near impossible. FF is so much easier to track. - tsudohnimh
I'll tell you a BIG difference: friendfeed seems to take itself very seriously. This can help facilitate a certain type of conversation, which has its place. I feel like twitter gives me space to say whatever I want, without it falling flat. - rambn
i don't see why it's one or the other. they both work in different ways and have a different reach. twitter can perhaps work to enhance friendfeed. it doesn't work so much the other way around, as friendfeed just offers more flexibility not to mention the ability to write more than a limited amount of words like i'm doing now. - Cee Bee
Cee Bee, I'm guessing if you play a lot of zero-sum games, you tend to see the world as one "x vs. y" after another... - Karim
I agree that the Twitter dudes are too lax at sensing user dissatisfaction. The relaxed California attitude, (Twittering about soy lattes after being down all week), is foolish. And the arrogance of listening to their $15,000,000 VC friends telling them 'don't worry about current defections, there will be a crowd there when you get there', is equally foolish. It was the excellent attitude of the original shop 2 years ago, that got them here. - Ed Shaz/NextInstinct
Man let this whole FriendFeed vs. Twitter thing go! They don't even compete in the same space. FriendFeed has a completely different objective. FriendFeed benefits from Twitters or other services. I can't believe you are even comparing the 2. I'm getting tired of all these Twitter vs. FriendFeed comparisons. The more people who join Twitter, FriendFeed doesn't care, in fact it benefits. FriendFeed is like those multi-service instant messaging clients. - Michael Narciso
rambn: Twitter gives you the space to say whatever you want without anyone listening. :-) It's no place to have a conversation. Half life of conversations on Twitter are about four minutes. On FriendFeed? A conversation can go on for hours. - Robert Scoble
BUT!!! One of the real ills of society, indeed the latest generations, is the lack of staying power and loyalty. A shallow, superficial, impatient human
