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Heather Piwowar
So frustrated that this article quotes gazoodles of men (12? 15?), but only mentions one woman. There are women leaders in altmetrics, darn it! http://newsbreaks.infotoday.com/NewsBre...
Particularly egregious when you have a subtitle "Early Reactions From the Experts" - Heather Piwowar
So, here are some women I think are just as qualified, in case you find yourselves looking for people to interview in the future: Andrea Michalek, Cassidy Sugimoto, Jennifer Lin, Jennifer Song, Jean Liu, Stacy Konkiel, Stefanie Haustein, Elizabeth Lorbeer, - Heather Piwowar
other authors in the PLOS collection on altmetrics, speakers at altmetrics12, etc - Heather Piwowar
chip in with others, I pulled the list together really quickly. gah. it isn't just this article. come on, people. I know there are way more men than women in this area. but let's not diss the women we have. - Heather Piwowar
Elizabeth Moss - Heather Piwowar
Judit bar-Ilan (sp?) - Christina Pikas from iPhone
Would you put Melissa Terras in this list? - Joe - Systems Analyst
And, who did you cite for this article is female? http://crln.acrl.org/content... I can't tell by the initials. - Joe - Systems Analyst
good question, Joe. Bar-Ilan J., Haustein S, Piwowar H, Costello K, www.plumanalytics.com (50%), probably others but I don't know without looking them up. - Heather Piwowar
ugh, that is infuriating. - RepoRat
Kelli Barr - Heather Piwowar
A recent study finds that people routinely underconsider female research experts: http://bit.ly/19I82kR Hopefully this list will help... keep adding! - Heather Piwowar
On commercial side Christine Stohn at Ex Libris, Kira Anthony at NPG. - Euan
The article _author_ is female -- that's how deep it goes :\ #ironyfail - Chris
Heather Piwowar
RT @eperlste: It would cost $47,000 for a Nature paper under open access model? Are you fucking kidding me? #openscience #DIYscience
Is that the figure that NPG, apparently with a straight face, trotted out at a parliamentary inquiry into scholarly publishing? Gotta hand it to 'em for chutzpah. - Bill Hooker
Maybe they are doin' it wrong. The thought doesn't occur to them. - Joe - Systems Analyst
Let me guess: You take the total revenue from all sources for Nature, divide by the number of papers published, and voila! (Seems to me that's how most old-line publishers perform this calculation: "We deserve EVERY CENT WE EARN, so author-side fees have to replace all of them.") That's just a guess, to be sure. - Walt Crawford
I heard a smaller but still-ridiculous number mentioned by another closed access publisher in a no-dissemination context. He was making a point. For me he made exactly the opposite point. Totally agree with you, @Walt. - Heather Piwowar
Speaking personally, not in any way on behalf of NPG: I have no idea where that number came from or what the calculation behind it was but I'd be surprised if it wasn't based on costs rather than revenue. Bear in mind that Nature journal has dozens of full time editorial & production staff, tens of developers / designers / IT staff for a highly visited website etc. etc., so it's not... more... - Euan
Whether or not top tier journals should decouple research publishing and magazine content and whether or not authors would rather see efficiencies / sacrifices in return for a cheaper author pays model are different questions. :) - Euan
Also, the accepted papers would be paying for the work on the 90+% (guessing) that get rejected. - Joe - Systems Analyst
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Script Adobe products - neat. - Euan
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Script Adobe products - neat. - Euan
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Do It (Tomorrow) - http://tomorrow.do/
Some lovely ideas here. I like the intro pageflip and the "I'm a new user" button. - Euan
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Detecting ungrammatical sentences. - Euan
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www.cngl.ie/drupal/sites/default/files/papers3/paper.pdf - http://www.cngl.ie/drupal...
Parsing tweets - Euan
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Very cool map generation algorithm. - Euan
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GPU Pro - Example Programs and Source Code - http://downloads.akpeters.com/gpupro...
Contains page turn example for iOS - Euan
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RT @grace_baynes: Great post on business models in pub (and what 'business model' does and doesn't mean) http://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2011... h/t @BoraZ
"FFS" - seriously?! Publishers do more than journals, you know, did you read the whole post? ;) I'm a proponent of OA for original research but I don't think that Dan Brown should be paying for me to read the Da Vinci Code (well, actually...). User pays *is* both venerable and excellent though of course not the best fit for every situation which is exactly why Esposito's post is useful. - Euan
Should be paid danger money to read the Da Vinci Code. Real risk of serious loss of intelligence there.... - Cameron Neylon
@graham oh. :) Sorry Graham, was a bit twitchy this morning! - Euan
Martin Fenner
RT @grace_baynes: We have an [iPad] app for that! Introducing nature.com Reader. iTunes (http://search.itunes.apple.com/WebObje...) and press release (http://www.nature.com/press_r...)
First version, it's early days - let us know if you have any feedback. - Euan
Euan, am I correct that the Nature.com reader uses ePub? And that there is currently no other way to access these ePub files? - Martin Fenner
My blog post about the iPad app: http://blogs.plos.org/mfenner... - Martin Fenner
Belatedly - yes, it uses ePub files (though strictly speaking they're not standard as they sometimes contain javascript, html5 etc.). We don't offer ePub on the website yet because of issues with the way COUNTER stats are calculated (it has taken far longer than I thought to sort that out) - Euan
Euan, thanks for the update, and thanks for your post on the topic http://174.143.232.228/?p=397 - Martin Fenner
Euan
First Bloglines, now Del.icio.us shutting down. :( Unprofitable == unloved nowadays, I guess.
Bloglines is to continue running now, though - Christina Pikas
Well..."Bloglines" may continue running, but as far as I'm concerned the new version has little to do with Bloglines as it was. - Walt Crawford
Yeah, it's white-label Netvibes. If I wanted to use Netvibes I would've gone there in the first place... - Euan
So that's what Netvibes is like? Somehow, I'm finding that Google Reader doesn't irritate me all that much...at least by comparison. - Walt Crawford
Yep, much as I hate GR I'll be sticking with it. I tried Netvibes when Bloglines first announced their imminent demise, and couldn't stand it. - Bill Hooker
Euan
Any science-y Kindle users out there willing to give me some feedback on some prototype content?
Sure, I have a kindle (small, wifi only), can I help ? - Pedro Beltrao
I have a kindle newest-G will gladly provide feedback - Hari
Great! Could you let me know your email address? I'm at e.adie@nature.com - Euan
oh me too I have a DX - marcin
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Zardoz - wow.
Yup, the movie. Am on a John Boorman kick atm. - Euan
Martin Fenner
Paper published: Reference Management meets Web 2.0 - http://blogs.plos.org/mfenner...
Congratulations! - Björn Brembs
Congrats! - Heather Piwowar
Thank you. And please thank FriendFeed and Claudia Koltzenburg. - Martin Fenner from iPhone
Nice work! - Euan
Andrew Lang
"NPG is considering launching a new system for describing and archiving datasets."
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Where is this from? - Cameron Neylon
@Cameron. It is from a survey they sent out. - Andrew Lang
in that EOS article I blogged, they mentioned a journal that just describes datasets like that... Earth System Science Data. Interesting - Christina Pikas
related: http://www.biomedcentral.com/1756-05... "By publishing Data Notes (often called “data papers” by other publishers), authors in BMC Research Notes can publish peer-reviewed articles that briefly describe a biomedical data set or database, withthe data being readily accessible and attributed to a source." (ObDisclosure: I'm a BMCRN assoc editor, it's a volunteer position) - Bill Hooker
Christina, Earth System Science Data is the journal for the Pangaea project we talked about earlier today. I could provide contact information... - Martin Fenner
+1 Neil Why create yet another journal for this? Why not use the existing repositories? - Mr. Gunn
@Neil, MrG: a cynic would say that Prestige Journals want the Prestige model to carry over to everything, so here they are re-inventing a wheel so that they can slap their brand on it... - Bill Hooker
+1 Neil - Heather Piwowar
I disagree, as I think that where to deposit primary research datasets is an unsolved problem. Supplementary information is obviously not a good solution. And there just aren't repositories (institutional or domain-specific) for all datasets, let alone standard formats. - Martin Fenner
2 things: (a) how searchable are existing 'general' data repositories (eg datadryad, CRData), what kind of metadata is included in these datasets and how will this compare to the NPG system? (b) what is the best system for long-term stability: a funding-based model or a branding-driven business model? - Thomas Lemberger
Bear in mind that this is a user survey, not a press release. ;) Also, letting people *upload* documents in any format doesn't mean that a system couldn't process them into a format more suited to discovery. - Euan
Ah, yes, branding. I forget how much those within an institution care about it (relative to how little those outside care.) - Mr. Gunn
Bora Zivkovic
What a load of crap: http://www.scientificblogging.com/science... how many things can one get wrong about Open Access, Impact Factors, peer-review and PLoS in a single blog post!
Who is this Hank guy? He trademarked the phrase "Science 2.0"? http://www.scientificblogging.com/profile... - Joe - Systems Analyst
i'm pretty sure this whole thing - the guy too - was cooked up in one of those "science generators" that you find on the web. you know the ones i'm talking about; you press a button and it spits out a bunch of random buzzwords without real meaning. - Marie
"Open access publishing of science results, freely available to all, would clearly kill peer-reviewed journals. " Oh right, sounds a lot like journalists vs blogger. What does access have to do with peer review? - Kubke
Regarding the trademark: http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin... registered to ION Publications LLC, the same outfit that publishes scientificblogging.com. From the about page (http://www.scientificblogging.com/about_s...): ""Scientific Blogging"®, "Science 2.0"® and "The world's best scientists, the Internet's smartest readers"® are registered trademarks of ION Publications LLC." BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAAHAA!!! - Bill Hooker
Oh lord, the hits just keep coming: http://www.scientificblogging.com/science...... "These are 7 Science 2.0 'pioneers' but none of them seem to know what Science 2.0 is. [...] My next article will be laying it out once and for all..." If the site worked properly I could go straight to that "next article" but I'm having trouble finding it... - Bill Hooker
OK, he seems to have forgotten that promise -- the next post is this http://www.scientificblogging.com/science... and there doesn't seem to be a "This Is What Science 2.0 Is" article anywhere. - Bill Hooker
@Bora +1 - Peter Binfield
Don't know but the website say that PLoS Biology is affiliate of scientificblogging, just scroll down and see at bottom http://www.scientificblogging.com/profile... - Abhishek Tiwari
What does "Affiliate" mean? In this context, or in any blog context? "I support"? - Bora Zivkovic
What ??? They copyrighted / registered "Science 2.0" as a trademark ??? - Khader Shameer
I know. It's silly. It was used before and after, by people who never heard of scienitificblogging, who developed it, defined it, and ran with it. I have no idea what fool issued that kind of copyright for a word that is in general use. - Bora Zivkovic
He seems to think that he only needs to put out cease and decist letters for commercial interests. If he only fights for his trademark in /some/ cases, then he can lose his supposed trademark. - Joe - Systems Analyst from iPod
I will trademark some words, too, then. How about "mother". I bet nobody thought to copyright it, so I will be the first. - Bora Zivkovic
How about mother 2.0. - Joe - Systems Analyst from iPod
ROFL! - Bora Zivkovic
Careful Bora, ROFL may also be trademarked - Kubke from iPhone
ROFL 2.0, then ;-) - Bora Zivkovic
It would be fun to trademark "Trademark 2.0" ;-) - Lars Juhl Jensen
IANAL but not so weird - Web 2.0 is trademarked by O'Reilly, for example. The trademark is over the whole phrase in certain contexts. Ditto this one. Still seems stupid that USPTO granted it without doing a simple check for common usage first though... - Euan
@Euan, "stupid" is the USPTO's operating mission as far as I can tell. They consistenly allow both trademarks and patents that are blatantly unsustainable and will drop at the first challenge by way of prior art/common usage. - Bill Hooker
Web 2.0 is trademarked by CMP Media, not O'Reilly. But because it was not protected it is, as Tim Berners-Lee called it, a "piece of jargon" used and misused. Hopefully Science 2.0 won't go the same route. Scienceblogs, PLoS and FriendFeed are also registered trademarks. - Science 2.0
I simply do not get the point of the blog article. Besides, I am not sure if Nature or Elsevier would agree with any of the statements without the 'bigger picture' and context they are after. I joined their session @ESOF http://picasaweb.google.com/joergku... (pretty proud of the photos and being their live) and if not done already,... more... - joergkurtwegner
Cameron Neylon
It’s not information overload, nor is it filter failure: It’s a discovery deficit - http://cameronneylon.net/blog...
The idea that "it's not information overload, it's filter failure" combined with the traditional process of filtering scholarly communication by peer review prior to publication seems to be leading towards the idea that we need to build better filters by beefing up the curation of research output before it is published. Here I argue that this is backwards and that the 'filter failure' soundbite is maybe unfortunate in the context of scholarly communications. The web won't reduce the cost of curation, but it has reduced the cost of publication. This means that instead of building filters to prevent stuff getting on the web it is more productive to focus on enhancing discovery. A focus on enabling discovery can both deliver for researchers and provide business models that are more aligned with the way the web works. - Cameron Neylon
Hmm, never occurred to me that people would take 'filter failure' to mean pre-publication, but the last spate of articles/posts indeed seems to indicate that. My impression is that we need some sort of powerful demonstration (YouTube video?) of how this discovery process can work. Just recently, a certain person in publishing referred to my description of it as 'magic'. Clark's third law aside, if people don't understand the technical possibilities, how can we ever be convincing? - Björn Brembs
Seems to me more like an abundance of alliteration :-) - Michael Nielsen
The single easiest way for publishers to make scientific information more discoverable would be to actually integrate the material properly with the web. The more hyperlinked papers are to each other, to the blogosphere, to news sites, and so on, the better search engines will be able to help us find what's out there and worth reading. At the moment, almost no publisher does this. Even... more... - Michael Nielsen
(cont) Until journals do this, I'll have a hard time believing that they have any real interest in making it easier for scientists to locate high-quality information. The notion of sorting by journal brand sort of made sense one hundred years ago; today, it's ludicrous. - Michael Nielsen
Björn - as I was writing this I was reminded of the "extraordinary power of data" meme which hadn't been where I started. I think the argument that "more data makes better decisions" and therefore more publication will make better tools for finding stuff in all that published stuff could be quite powerful. Screencast of doing a google search should make the point? - Cameron Neylon
Michael, yes agreed. Their whole business model is predicated on blocking access at the moment. I think the whole making the paper "of the web" is the key to effective communication in both directions - which speaks to the discussion on the OKF open science list as well. The end game really is that the publishers need to sort this out or Google will do it for them. And I think things will work out better for the research niche if there are players that do serve our particular needs. - Cameron Neylon
The whole being summed up in Weinberger's dictum "Filter on the way out, not on the way in", i.e. post-publication. - AJCann
...and alliteration may be the only way I'll be able to compete with Shirky's snappy soundbites so I'll take anything I can get :-) - Cameron Neylon
I was thinking more like a 'today vs. tomorrow' kind of thing. But maybe that's a bad idea? I thought of showing how we are forced to struggle with the literature today (eToCs, press releases, WoK, GS, PubMed, etc. all isolated and with overlapping functionality and coverage, etc.) and then what it could look like tomorrow with the technology we already have. - Björn Brembs
Talking about discovery: I just read title and abstract of this paper: http://www.plosone.org/article... I'm not going to read it, so I'm not going to comment on it, rate it or bookmark it. But I think a lot of people might also want to read title and abstract. Why isn't there a flag for: 'this might be interesting?' And I mean that in general, not just for P1. - Björn Brembs
Like Bjoern, I'm gobsmacked that anyone thinks "filter failure" refers to pre-publication filtering. I suspect disingenuity and deliberate spreading of (F)UD on the part of publishers there. I also very much like the idea of demonstrating discovery. I have been told that I cannot possibly be reading the right papers if all I am relying on is my search strategies and not using journal impact factors to pick which papers to read! - Bill Hooker
Maybe I don't get it right, but to me 'discovery deficit' hides two quite different situations: when I know I need something and when I don't know there's something I need. The first is rather simple (technology is here) issue. The second situation is often called 'ignorance', but I wouldn't mind to have it solved as well. - Pawel Szczesny
@Michael - I'm not sure that's true. Google and other major search engines have arrangements with most publishers to index the full text of paywalled sites and it's a poor journal platform that doesn't link out references or, nowadays, to related news stories, articles or videos etc. I'm pretty sure that PLoS doesn't gain any extra Google juice from being OA... though of course a larger audience will have the chance to actually read the content. - Euan
.... in fact STM publishers probably do *more* than most to make their content discoverable on the web - you get far richer metadata on many journal webpages than on, say, the NY Times. I think it's more of a tools problem: search engines are only just starting to pay attention to stuff like RDFa and microformats. Definitely getting better though.... - Euan
@Pawel - agree those are two separate problems but if we had a real market people would be working on solving both of them with an eye to making money. @Bill Yep, I hear that one all the time. "If you're not focussing on journals with high IF you're not getting the good stuff" - Cameron Neylon
@Euan don't disagree with anything you say but I'm still going to call bullshit. If STM publishers were serious about building discovery in they would be putting at least rich snippets into every figure, demanding that the underlying data for every graph be made available _and_ exposed and that's just for starters. No-one is doing that, not NPG (with a small number of honorourable... more... - Cameron Neylon
Euan: speaking in broad brushstrokes, the journals are essentially a walled garden. Very few encourage hyperlinks out, from the main text of articles. I've lost count of the number of times I've had the text of URLs deleted from my references (never mind the actual link). And I don't even bother trying to include hyperlinks in the main text, I know they'll be deleted. And since the... more... - Michael Nielsen
Sorry, that last comment reads harsher than I meant it. My point is there is a big gap between the current best standards, which don't amount to much more than providing hyperlinks for references, and really optimising the ability of people to come to specific points in a paper for specific things. OA is an assumption here really because otherwise people can't develop businesses to... more... - Cameron Neylon
@Graham: so are we going to do it? If so, how? Could we come up with a script, have some people here leave a few comments and then think of a way to realize it? - Björn Brembs
I think there's a disincentive in our current system that prevents development of discovery tools: where the article is published would become even less relevant than it is now if it fits your discovery criteria. OTOH, journal name could be one discovery criterion, so I may be wrong. - Björn Brembs
Cameron, it's not that publishers aren't moving to provide the kind of amplification of data that you are telling Euan you want; it is that it takes longer to build into pre-existing platforms than I think is immediately obvious. (At least that's what technology providers are telling me.) But I think you'll begin to see some significant changes from content providers over the next 12 months. - Jill O'Neill
this discussion dovetails nicely with another recent discussion on ff a few days ago on embedding bibliographic data into references. Jill is right that the publishers aren't the leaders in this - the indexing and abstracting tools traditionally performed this function and they're separate from the publishers (or were, before many of the mergers that have taken place). So we're seeing... more... - Elizabeth Brown
Björn, on "today vs tomorrow': http://www.uic.edu/htbin... . - Daniel Mietchen
@Daniel - That is the best contribution to this discussion so far. As we know has a research process at least four stages (probably more) http://dx.doi.org/10... . So, though we can discuss single stages do we have to acknowledge that the "research cycle" requires all stages to work properly, or we will face bottlenecks we "could" call a deficit. Still, it is not... more... - joergkurtwegner
The current bottleneck is funding decisions - for everything else, open platforms exist, and I think it does not really matter into how many steps we decompose it (that table has 6, Cameron's cycle 8). - Daniel Mietchen
Maybe there should be then more "open funding" discussions, especially with focus on how to be fair in rewarding "open contributions" (and at which of the 4,6,8,whatever stages the reward will occur, uh, that is a tricky one)? Just a thought http://picasaweb.google.com/joergku... and "free riders" and "conditional collaborators" are a... more... - joergkurtwegner
@cameron yes, point taken about the lack of any publisher trailblazing - but being properly integrated with the web in 2010 *doesn't* involve semantic enrichment, open data or changing the way scientists worldwide think about papers (unless you use a very different www to me). You're talking raising the bar for anybody who deals with scholarly works (be it arXiv, Precedings, NPG,... more... - Euan
Also, to complete a cliche ;) - not sure OA needs to be in the mix. You can have a scholarly search and discovery type business now (see DeepDyve, novoseek and most obviously Google / Google Scholar) you just need to sign more pain in the ass license agreements. Better for projects to do this kind of thing to not bite off more than they can chew... - Euan
What I read Michael Neilsen to be saying isn't anything so much to do with semantics, RDFa, or any of those wonderful things under development, but rather integrating with the web 1.0. Links in a published research paper almost always go to somewhere else within that paper or on the publisher's site, and rarely to another paper or another website. Even citation links go to the... more... - Mr. Gunn
I agree Mr Gunn that the publishers keep the publication links sequestered. I would explain this by history - traditionally other outlets (like WoS, etc.) added this info. Even today I don't think they feel it's worth their time to do it, even if there's promises to do so. The discipline-based abstract sources added interlinked citations earlier - I recall even these vendors took several years to add them after being on the web. - Elizabeth Brown
And now in chorus: "We don’t need [pre-]publication filters, we need enhanced discovery engines." - Daniel Mietchen
@Mr. Gunn: see slides 10/11 on http://www.slideshare.net/brembs... :-) - Björn Brembs
@Euan, @Jill - yes agree things are changing and the next twelve months are going to be very interesting. But just to be a little more precise in response to Euan, I didn't mean necessarily that we needed semantic integration (although I believe that will be the ultimate route) but exposure of elements that support the state of the art in internet search - I used "rich snippets"... more... - Cameron Neylon
On the open data front I would disagree. Signing contracts isn't just a PITA it simply doesn't scale to web scale effectively unless they are open and presumptive contracts (actually contracts just scare me in a federate world - I'm not allowed to sign contracts relating to work stuff because I'm not competent - and every time contracts people get involved the amount of time to get things sorted is enormous. I can't see that working at scale). But then I would say that ;-) - Cameron Neylon
@Cameron: Very much agreed! This PITA is a serious threat to civilization... I wonder how much money is currently lost on the legal department because is needless licensing, acquisition and defending of patents, ... instead of actual service providing ... - Egon Willighagen
Disclosure: a link to this FF thread has been included in my blog post: "Finding influential OATP news items" (July 25, 2010), http://tillje.wordpress.com/2010... - Jim Till
I'd like to see more of such backtracking to ff threads (ideally in some automated manner), but why label it "disclosure"? - Daniel Mietchen
Because there are no automated trackbacks, I chose to add one manually. Perhaps I should have used "Trackback" instead of "Disclosure"? (Use of "Disclosure" was probably influenced by past experience with "Internet research ethics" - do all those who have contributed comments to this thread regard FF as a "public forum"? If so, no need to use the word "Disclosure"). - Jim Till
Trackback might have made some more sense to me - I did wonder. My personal view is that this is public but we've had discussions in the past about linking in and it does upset some people who feel this is "semi-private". I don't think it's an issue for this thread certainly. In any case, thanks for the link and the thoughtful blog post! - Cameron Neylon
Euan
Very much recommended. - Egon Willighagen
@egon yup - found it via your post! - Euan
Euan
ShareKit : Drop-in Share Features for all iOS Apps - http://getsharekit.com/
Nice! - Euan
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ShareKit : Drop-in Share Features for all iOS Apps - http://getsharekit.com/
Nice! - Euan
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Well-formed data » Visualizing survey results - http://well-formed-data.net/archive...
Like this idea a lot. Moritz Stefaner is a genius. - Euan
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This is pretty cool. - Euan
Joe - Systems Analyst
How do you feel about Nature Publishing Group? See http://scienceblogs.com/ethicsa... and others she points to...
NPG is distressed, distressed, they tell us. oy. - Christina Pikas
I know that Elsevier's profit margin is on the order of 30-40%. Anyone know what Nature's margin is estimated to be? - Joe - Systems Analyst
I should note that I got the link from Bora, http://ff.im/lKU52 - Joe - Systems Analyst
I wonder if it's an attempt to propose something so outrageous that the succeeding proposals for price increases (while still far exceeding inflation) seem less absurd and get accepted. - Brian Westra
Brian, I assumed from the start that what you suggest is exactly what NPG is doing. What's new this time is that UC might be mounting a real counter-attack instead of colluding behind the scenes so that when it comes time for handshakes in front of the cameras as the final deal is signed, they can claim to have "stood up for their faculty" and so on. - Bill Hooker
Ah, you misunderstand me -- and perhaps I misunderstand what goes on. The collaborators I have in mind are Uni admin, a step up the power ladder from librarians. It's been my impression that librarians are given limited negotiating powers, and when things get hairy the Admin step in and do things like collude behind the scenes. It's certainly the likes of Provosts and Chancellors who... more... - Bill Hooker
NPG site license pricing is fairly transparent, actually: http://www.nature.com/librari... - Euan
(... I should say as a disclaimer that I work for NPG but in no way represent or speak for them) - Euan
Only for lenient values of "fairly", I'm afraid. Pricing depends on how many staff, students etc a particular institution has, and how many of those are in STM. Hands up who knows those details about their POW? Also, the calculator only works for academic institutions. From the calculator results page: "Discounts may be available in certain circumstances, including multiple title... more... - Bill Hooker
we just are at the top tier for size for everything - but yeah, no one pays the sticker price for most things. Also administration does not get involved in licensing electronic resources. Legal does, but that typically can only stop a deal, not change the pricing. - Christina Pikas
Even if the whole thing blows over (and I don't think it will), this will make the process of how we (libraries) purchase and license material more transparent. It's been too secret for too long, and anyone who's not a librarian even knows how this stuff gets on campus and how much work it takes to make it happen. Once the rest of the university realizes how cheaply they are paying us for this work this I guarantee they won't want to close down the library and do it another way. - Elizabeth Brown
I still think that we can't compete on our acquisitions skills alone - you could probably outsource purchasing (and of course over pay for everything, not get the right things, etc) for cheaper. I like D's preferred outcome. More transparency is almost always good. - Christina Pikas
Any predictions on how this will turn out? NPG backs down or business as usual? It obviously provides useful ammunition for the open access movement, but how can it best be used? - Walton Jones
One additional data point: for a California public institution, "no one else was supposed to know about" is a nonstarter legally, and NPG should have known that. Google certainly knew that its "confidential" contracts with UC and Michigan *had* to be non-confidential, as a matter of state law. - Walt Crawford
I think CDL will fight this. Other budget initiatives and the furloughs there have created a very politicized climate, and there's already been lawsuits over the furlough plan. I don't think they started this without expecting (and planning) for a fight. I also think any bad PR for CDL that might have arisen from the rising collections costs coupled with cuts in curricula and faculty lines also played a role. - Elizabeth Brown
Wouldn't that be nice? And CDL just might be the agency to kick this off, since it's "campus neutral"--serving all UC campuses. - Walt Crawford
+++ D0r0th34 for the point about librarians finally finding a way to point faculty anger at the proper target, and there's a LOT of anger in the UC system right now... - Bill Hooker
is any university structured in such a way that academics feel more of the pain of journal pricing? I suppose that would improve things, although resistance would be fierce - Alex Holcombe
I think they are feeling the pain to some degree, as more and more titles get cut from the library's subscriptions. - Brian Westra
It really comes down to tenure. If your reviewers infer or demand that you publish in certain journals rather than open access titles, that's where you're going to submit. Until you have tenure. - Brian Westra
Deepak Singh
Weka 3 - Data Mining with Open Source Machine Learning Software in Java - http://www.cs.waikato.ac.nz/ml...
Weka is a collection of machine learning algorithms for data mining tasks. The algorithms can either be applied directly to a dataset or called from your own Java code. Weka contains tools for data pre-processing, classification, regression, clustering, association rules, and visualization. It is also well-suited for developing new machine learning schemes. - Deepak Singh
I've tried this (or possibly a previous version of it) out. Very nice, except you keep needing to specify more memory to the JVM. - Ruchira S. Datta
This seems a common issue for many Java applications that crunch data ... very common to see the suggestion to use the java -Xmx flag in README files. - Andrew Perry
BTW, Knime or RapidMiner are large packages for data mining that incorporate all Weka libraries and are more user friendly. - Pawel Szczesny
I love Weka (and +1 Ruchira). - Euan
Weka is perhaps the largest and most notable library of machine learning algorithms, developed since mid-90s. I recommend it to everyone. There's indeed a problem with memory sometimes. I've tried to build a software platform, Debellor, which solves this problem by pipeline processing of data. Debellor incorporates some algs from Weka. It's a work in progress but those interested can find it at http://www.debellor.org - Marcin Wojnarski
Weka rocks. Extremely useful tool for learning and for doing. Wondering whats new in 3? - Benjamin Good
Roderic Page
Intriguing that NPG response to CDL boycott http://www.nature.com/press_r... says CDL would pay $0.56 per download -time for iTunes for papers methinks
Deep Dyve are trying this model. - Euan
If they'd do it without the terrible restrictive DRM, they might get somewhere, too. - Mr. Gunn
Euan
Makes CSS buttons. - Euan
Euan
"visual" testing environment - Euan
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