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Almost nobody understood my earlier webapp idea, so I'll try again. Imagine you were looking at a website such as FriendFeed and you wanted to create a near pixel-perfect copy but in a way that you could move things around, adjust shadows, etc. I want a tool that makes that easy.
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And without taking screenshots or copying the html, since the point is that it should have the power to quickly create something that looks just like our current ui. Also, it should be web based, because then fonts, etc will be right, and also I hate installing things. My previous attempt at explaining this: http://friendfeed.com/e... (Balsamiq is not what I want). It does not need to produce html though, so it can cheat anyway it likes.
- Paul Buchheit
So you wanna something like "html to png/psd"? Editable graphical interface with layers and stuff?
- Selim Yoruk
No, not at all. My point is that you could look at the the FriendFeed ui (with your eyes) and then create something that looked just like it.
- Paul Buchheit
Fireworks is pixel perfect, correct font sizes and previews image in browser. Yes/No?
- Toby Graham
Are you looking for something like what is mentioned in this article - http://www.labnol.org/interne...
- Atul Arora
Are you want something like web-based rich page editor which works with objects in manner the human see them and want change them?
- gmarketer
I guess it's difficult to explain something that doesn't exist :(
- Paul Buchheit
thats piracy!!!
- Arjun
Paul, I like the idea, it's got merit. There's plenty of tools that do half the job, that is, snip the page. The second part, i'm not overly familiar with the tools out there. The manipulation. I guess you could snip the page, and embed into your tool a js library, like scriptaculous, and attach special event significance to the controls/tags, for moving, dropping, dragging.
- Stu Andrews
I think I get what you mean now and I agree. That's not very helpful but hey. In the mean time you could edit the page live using firebug maybe?
- Toby Graham
It seems to me like you want the Visual Studio Win Forms designer for web apps hosted and served to designers as a web app. Drag and drop elements onto the page and adjust their properties in a property grid. Then send a link to others so you can share your concept.
- Eric Schoonover
For this, I use simple vector graphics editing app, like Xara or InkScape - I just make screenshots and use them as raw building blocks - usually I cut out from them small elements like controls/text-blocks/images/etc... In vector graphics enironment managing such kind of blocks is much more easier than in photoshop.
- Phil Smirnov
remembers that this idea has been described by David Siegel in 1997 in his book : Creating Killer Web Sites (http://tinyurl.com/5skw63)
- Oaksun
Paul, i think the edit-page command on ubiquity with the ability to: visually edit css and publish the changes is close to what you are describing.
- Ian
Eric pretty much nailed the description of the dream tool that I think Paul was asking for. In my dream the web app is truly collaborative and has an active GUI. So you can adjust those properties using a mouse or tablet and anyone else on your design team can watch as you do it so they can make suggestions and modifications as you work.
- David Muir
Let's say you want to make a mockup of FriendFeed called "FriendFood". You want it to generally have the same layout, only the top blue bar will actually have a background made of lasagna and a font that is made of French fries, and what shows on the page is everything people write about food on the regular FF, like "pasta OR bean OR potato OR steak". But you'd like someone to be able to do that from the web and without messing into much coding. Is that it?
- Rodrigo Jaroszewski
http://blogoscoped.com/video...
- Philipp Lenssen
I use OmniGraffle for this purpose.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Could you achieve it by using Firebug and tweaking the CSS?
- Shakeel Mahate
So something with the usability of say, omnigraffle, but that only used webkit for its rendering. With text controlled and positioned by actual css so that line spacing etc were correct, although again with a simpler UI than CSS has.
- Robin Barooah
Paul - I _just_ came across a site that did exactly that. Unfortunately, Safari's browser history is failing me and I can't find it anymore. Doh!
- Patrick Lightbody
Paul, not sure if you're still reading, but are you looking for interaction design changes as well, or just appearance?
- Mark Trapp
Did you try "PENCIL" an add-on for Firefox http://www.evolus.vn/Pencil/
- Francois Lamotte
I had never heard of Pencil, but it sure looks a lot like what I think Paul is describing.
- Jason Wehmhoener
I use ScrapBook Firefox extension to capture the page as is, and then edit that using Firebug.
- Jughead
Paul, I totally got you first time - anyone who thinks it's not a good idea has plainly misunderstood :-) It's the next step up from sketching out your UI on paper, n'est pas?
- Slappy Line
Thanks @Francois. Pencil looks quite promising...
- Ashwin Bharambe
Firefox Webchunks? Does only the snipping part though. Perhaps an add-on to webchunks that will let us use all those chunks together.
- Vamsee
it'd be kind of like pushing edit on a wiki, right. like, firefox would have an edit button then you could visually redo the page
- Coleman Foley
There's also Axure RP, something I found a while ago. http://www.google.com/search...
- Jauder Ho
Dosen't ASP.Net do that already???
- Roberto Bonini
One quick tip in Photoshop is to turn off anti-aliasing and use your various web fonts (Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, etc.) and use your preferred font size in pixels/points... This will provide you with screen accurate font appearances and sizes. The biggest problem with a "pixel-perfect" browser rendering is that it will never be consistent from browser to browser. They all render ever...
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- Nathan Chase
The Picture That Best Represents Me And Rachael [Me: I'm being all stoic and grrr... Rach: You look like a fuckwit Johnny] - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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Hi Honey :)
- Rachael Worthington
Hello Mrs Worthington... :)
- Johnny Worthington
You're supposed to run towards each other when in a big field ! You're doing it wrong ™
- Mo Kargas
Me: I'm being all stoic and grrr... Rach: You look like a fuckwit John :P
- Johnny Worthington
Cool piccie!
- Stu Andrews
there is a space between you.... :?
- Baard @ Pixum
A grassy void of sorts
- Mo Kargas
i'll always love you from afar baby :P
- Rachael Worthington
This is in New Zealand in a massive glacier valley on the South Island... At least I was representing the epicness of the situation babe :)
- Johnny Worthington
It really is epic. Plus your stance is just awesome John. Warrior stuff. Reminds me of photos of me on the rugby field :)
- Stu Andrews
To be truly epic, shoulda climbed those hills warrior man! :D
- Mo Kargas
Or done a Julie Andrewsesque musical number... wait, what? (Burries secret Sound Of Music love deep down inside)
- Johnny Worthington
Do re mi fa sol la tiiiiiiiiiiiiii...
- Josh Haley
Josh, I'm more a Climb Every Mountain kinda guy...
- Johnny Worthington
I sing AY-DUHL-VEIIIIIIIISE like a drunk korean to my kids when they they don't go to bed when i tell them. Works every time.
- Josh Haley
I may have busted out some drunken Edelweiss in some form or another, actually I'm sure of it as it's probably my favorite. I'll ask Rachael in the morning if she can remember when.
- Johnny Worthington
One day I'll have to bust that out on video. Perhaps a duet? I don't drink but I can be a pretty funny drunk.
- Josh Haley
the hills are alive......with the sound of music
- Baard @ Pixum
Oh, I remember... Back in 2004 Rachael and I did a 28 day bus tour around Europe with Contiki. We had recently passed Salzburg and it was 'Sound Of Music Day'. After a night at the Hofbrauhaus in Munich, and much beer consumption as per this pic http://www.flickr.com/photos..., I believe I 'treated' my fellow travelers with a few songs, one of which I'm sure was Edelweiss :)
- Johnny Worthington
In that last pic there, you could have easily said, a la Mick Dundee, "That's not a mug, THIS is a mug!"
- Josh Haley
More like "Thab nah mug, tis ey ... *thud*" :) Hazy that night is...
- Johnny Worthington
OK, maybe Mick Dundee on one of his hazier nights. ha ha ha
- Josh Haley
*BUMP*... Cause my wife rocks and I'm not sure if I told her I loved her this morning...
- Johnny Worthington
heh
- Kamilah Gill
Thesis 1.5 Has Arrived! So What’s New? - http://diythemes.com/thesis...
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Simple amazing. Love this theme.
- Stu Andrews
What do you think? Release a story on the web in chapters over a period of time, or all at once as a (PDF?) book?
I like the chapter at a time. I've been following this book for a long time, and I like the anticipation. Plus, I get to read it when and how I want. http://www.merriton.us/
- Thom Allen
Good to know. And cheers for the link!
- Stu Andrews
About the Ego - http://corvus.zakelro.com/2009...
Fantastic post Corvus buddy!
- Stu Andrews
Super excited. Got another short story submission accepted.
Congratulations!
- Sean Carmody
Thanks Sean! Pretty stoked.
- Stu Andrews
.. In my mind.
glad it's only in your mind!
- Sean Carmody
heh heh, yeah .. probably better than way.
- Stu Andrews
Space Office Fight! — Stu Andrews - http://stuandrews.com/space-o...
Awww, thanks for the share Corvus!
- Stu Andrews
Facebook Reverts Terms of Service After Complaints - http://www.insidefacebook.com/2009...
Interesting. Not sure that this means much, weren't the terms beforehand pretty stringent anyway? Plus, the "listening to your customers" bit seems strange.
- Stu Andrews
Dragon Age, Battlefield 1943: NYCC (Much) Cop? - http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009...
Interesting on Dragon Age. I'm getting more excited about it. Good to hear the base foundation is not screwed. Here's hoping ..
- Stu Andrews
New, faster Copilot - http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items...
Sounds pretty awesome.
- Stu Andrews
Awesome Idea #345 For A Software Project - http://stuandrews.com/2009...
Lame I know, but thought this deserved a share.
- Stu Andrews
Oldaer (http://oldaer.com/), a simple desktop application that allows you to store your information. I use it to store things like my (lots) Wordpress Accounts, API Keys, Game passwords, Email Accounts, Other Social Media Accounts. You can generate a random value, which is very handy ...
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FYI, This is my own App. First step. Next, Take over the world.
- Stu Andrews
awesome Stu, but you may want to share more info about how it works and what it does here..will get more people jumping in to try
- Zee.
Also, you may want to change your facebook password now..
- Aaron Baer
Ha ha. Yeah, I've got a "demo" dataset for taking screenies etc :)
- Stu Andrews
Zee, thanks for the info. Will update.
- Stu Andrews
Pegg and Frost Confirmed for Tintin - http://www.aintitcool.com/node...
Wow! I had no idea there even was a Tintin movie in the making. Awesomeness!
- Stu Andrews
Morning Twitter Folk! We just had a blast of rain .. awesome! Got a little wet walking the last 100 meters to work :)
Morning/evening :) Next time: try the bridge ;)
- Jemm
Ha ha. That would have been too much excitement for one morning :)
- Stu Andrews
Do you have a dream job, something you're aspiring to? I've got plenty. How awesome would it have been to have made World of Goo?
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Book reader. Not editor, not reviewer, not librarian. Just: book reader. Would be the perfect job =D
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Fashion Photographer or world class ad designer.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Tina you stole my dream. I'm working on the second one though.
- Amber, Random Time Lord
Stay at home dad
- Johnny Worthington
Nice!
- Stu Andrews
Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
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Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles is an American science fiction television series produced by Warner Bros. Television and C2 Pictures, spinning off from the Terminator series of films. It revolves around the lives of the fictional characters Sarah and John Connor, following the events of Terminator 2: Judgment Day. The series premiered on Sunday, January 13, 2008 on the U.S. television network Fox.
- .LAG liked that
from Bookmarklet
felt sick the other day so spent the evening watching tv, saw a random episode of this and was surprised to find it wasn't bad. Not sure how long the series can go on though, seems like the terminator franchise has been bled dry.
- John Duff
Been watching it - I like it, but don't love it. I think Summer and Brian Austin Greene are the best things about it.
- felix
One my favorites right now.... A much better Terminator 3 than Terminator 3 was....
- Chris Reed
I try to watch it but end up falling asleep EVERY time--I have no idea what is going on now...
- Kelly W.
The final episode of Season 1, with the Johnny Cash song "The Man Comes Around", had some of the best pieces of story-telling I'd ever seen. Specifically, the segment where the song is playing, and the FBI are heading up to and into the room where the machine is. Then the aftermath. Fantastic stuff.
- Stu Andrews
LOVE IT!
- orionstarr
So, like, is Cameron going to kill John? I was confused - it seemed like all of a sudden she was OK again after telling the therapist she was going to stick John Connor's head on a stake.
- Sarah Perez
@Stu: Even better was the moment John sees his father for the first time, though his father is a six-year-old.
- Chris Reed
I didn't like this week's episode to much.
- orionstarr
Arrested Development - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
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Fantastic show. Another in a prestigious list of stories screwed around by Networks. Ha ha. The memories. Buster's fake fake hand. "Marry Me". "Who?"
- Stu Andrews
Miss it still
- Sarah Perez
30 Rock - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
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My favorite comedy show - can't wait for the season premiere on Oct. 30th!
- Steve Isaacs
from Bookmarklet
The season premiere is on Hulu right now!
- Michelle Martinez
Who knew Alec Baldwin could pull himself together so?
- Derrick
Steve, thanks for all the rooms you have started lately!
- Michael Fidler
from twhirl
"The one time I take your side Lemon and you sandbag me. I'm sorry Jenna, I smelled crazy and assumed it was you." Oh this show. It's such a breath of crazy air.
- Stu Andrews
Too bad Fey can't do Palin on this show!
- Sarah Perez
Firefly - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
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Firefly was an Emmy-winning 2002 science-fiction/western TV show created by Joss Whedon (creator of Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel) that only lasted 14 episodes, followed by a major motion picture, Serenity.
- Nathan Chase
And only ten of them aired. I still haven't forgiven Fox for this.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
I have been watching the series over the past few weeks and today finally watched Serenity. I've got a strong sense of sadness knowing that there isn't any more to watch. It's really just that good.
- Nathan Chase
Best. Sci. Fi. Show. Ever. Jandy, you can get all 14 on DVD.
- Helen Sventitsky
It was unique, funny, and fresh. It never had a chance dammit
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
Oh, I have the DVDs. I haven't watched the last one even yet though. That way it's not over /delusional. I'm just mad at Fox for mismanaging the timeslot/air order/promotion of it and then canceling it right when the River arc really got going.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
I've been hearing from various people that Battlestar Galactica is nearly as good... is it true? I have yet to see an episode of it.
- Nathan Chase
BSG is not even close
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
Yeah, Fox treated it quite badly. I just don't think they knew what to do with it.
- Helen Sventitsky
ah, bummer, Capn' One-Eye. I had hopes... Firefly is truly amazing. It'd be hard to beat, or come close to.
- Nathan Chase
Well, BSG is pretty damn good, too. It's different from Firefly. Not as funny, but in terms of long-term arc, one of the best shows out there. I'd definitely give it a chance, Nathan, but watch it in order.
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Jandy, whats the right order? isn't there a mini-series, and then the show? or something? i gotta look it up
- Nathan Chase
If you get the Season One DVDs, you'll be fine. There's a miniseries first, but it's Disc 1 of the Season One DVD set. There's also another miniseries called "Razor" that goes between S3 and S4. It's on its own DVD, so when you get there, you'll have to buy/Netflix it separately. (Actually, the S4 DVDs aren't out yet, so it may be included in that set; I don't know how they'll package it.)
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Agreed. Best. Who can go past Captain Mal firing up Wash while they're being tortured. Or River shooting without looking. Or .. SO MANY MEMORIES :)
- Stu Andrews
my favorite episode was "Out of Gas" - so emotionally charged, and a great way to show the crew's origin stories
- Nathan Chase
The One Thing Every Software Engineer Should Know - http://www.codinghorror.com/blog...
Important understanding. Very cool post!
- Stu Andrews
[FIREFOX] 10 Extensions That Make FireFox A Killer App - http://performancing.com/10-exte...
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I still haven't upgraded... is it ready yet?
- Fa La La La Lindsay
I don't think so LOL. I'd wait it out for 3.0.3 (has the new JS engine) to stabilize.
- Mona Nomura
3.0 is fine :P All my extensions work
- Brian
Installed GButts to FF toolbar which provide a handy access to all the Google services. Very handy.
- Jonathan Kong
Thanks Mona!
- Stu Andrews
:)
- Mona Nomura
i waited to update too
- Caroline
Why is "Paste and Go" extension not ported to FF3 yet? And why doesn't FF provide it as built-in functionality like Opera and Chrome??
- Tabrez Iqbal
I love FF 3.
- Russellreno
Thanks! The Snagit extension was one I didn't know about, but a great addition since I use that program all the time.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Is GButts better than the Google toolbar for access to google services?
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
I don't see anything in GButts that the toolbar can't do with a few additional buttons. The advantage of GButts is that you have buttons for all Google services conveniently in one place and don't need to go hunting for more buttons when you want to add additional services to a toolbar.
- Ray Metzen
My main browser in XP, No probs here. Test drivin' 3.1 Beta 2 Pre-release. Cool stuff comin' !
- Charlie Anzman
I'd wait. My three is a crashy lil' bugger. WTF(n)
- Marko Bon
Reader Poll: Is OpenID Too Confusing? - http://lifehacker.com/5064261...
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No, not for users. It might be confusing for people that want to implement it if they don't understand the protocols but it isn't really confusing, just new. OpenID is less complicated than an email address and will eventually replace email addresses as everyone's internet identity, albeit, vastly superior to an email address.
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are u serious? and what evidence do you have that it *ISN'T* confusing for users? i wrote this post a year and a half ago, but afaik it's still right on target: http://500hats.typepad.com/500blog...
- dave mcclure
Haven't gone near it yet, mostly because I built a system to store all my Account details :) Available at the click of a button.
- Stu Andrews
@davemcclure yes, i'm serious. Although "the rest of humanity" may not have the problem _now_, the fact that we are experiencing it is an indication that they will. Besides, you're missing the point of OpenID if you think it's primarily single sign-on. Yea, that's how it started and is a very useful feature but it's far more. It's now nothing short of virtual identity and it is perfect for it. Email, what most people use as their virtual identity, is disastrously incapable of shouldering that task.
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Besides, people are already becoming used to OpenID without realizing it. How often do people give you their MySpace or Facebook or even friendfeed account as their identity? If these sites would become OpenID providers, OpenID would essentially be automatic for everyone, immediately. Why do I need an account on every service when all they care about is that I use the site. If sites could eliminate the need to pre-create user accounts, it would facilitate immediate use instead of a registration barrier.
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Open ID just needs some good marketing, like any other good idea. There were times when you could say using email and browsing the web was "too confusing" for the masses--and yet 20 years later my grandmother is doing both.
- Kelly W.
It doesn't really need marketing, at least not for OpenID or not to end-users. Maybe for education on how the internets (should) work. OpenID just needs big sites like google, myspace and facebook to become providers (market to them? what is the incentive for them?) End-users don't need to even know the term OpenID. We (techies) just need a way to explain to/teach end-users how to "log into" another site/service by being redirected to their "identity management provider".
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YES!! it IS confusing... seriously
- Susan Beebe
I think we've done too good a job of convincing folks they need a different password on each site. Anytime I describe openID folks respond with "but then if someone gets my password, they have access to everything".
- Bastard Operator From FF
@nibbler See https://www.myopenid.com/about_c... . @susanbeebe What about it confuses you? But i'll reiterate my point, end-users need not know anything about OpenID. All we need is the same thing we've always needed: education on how to use the internets safely and securely.
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Yes
- Patricia
yes. However, using a service like Yahoo for openid makes it easier, the problem though is that it has been so confusing for so long, it's a hard slog to convince people otherwise now.
- Duncan Riley
I'm liking liquidid it's pretty slick and some of the features are nice
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
Can someone confused by OpenID please explain to me what you're confused about? You obviously understand web addressing (URL). You're here so you have a friendfeed URL for your account. Now imagine using that as your account name for all the services you use elsewhere around the internets. How is that confusing?
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@nibbler Also about the different passwords for all sites, if you have just one password for your identity, it can be very, very strong (e.g. 12+ characters or even a full sentence). The fact that you won't have to type if frequently _and_ that it's the only one you'll need to remember means you won't have to write it down somewhere to remember it _and_ not entering it all the time makes it that much harder for anyone to ever see you typing it.
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@nicerobot I know that... I'm saying we've scared folks into thinking it's a bad idea.... and when the answer on why it's more secure involves math people's faces glaze over
- Bastard Operator From FF
OpenID is a hot mess. There are no clear, simple instructions laid out anywhere. Even within tech, people are confused since the beginning of the Internet, it has always been: Username (not URL) + password.
- Mona Nomura
Those interested in this topic might be interested in my coverage of today's OpenID/OAuth UX Summit: http://therealmccrea.com/2008...
- John McCrea
Open id is confusing x 1 million
- Victor
OpenId is used on Stackoverflow.com. Jeff Atwood has a few nice comments on why he chose this for the site on his Herding Code interview. Scott Hanselman has it on his site for comments. I think that openID intergration will slowly start spreading as people get to grips with it. It will be the hotmail/msn account of the internets.
- Roberto Bonini
What's hotmail? And um... stackoverflow.com is a site for who, exactly? ;)
- Mona Nomura
Windows live hotmail
- Victor
@monasfeed Not a mess. It's an elegant solution with capabilities far beyond its too-often simplified association with single sign-on. @nibbler why would anyone bring up math to explain online identity? You say, treat your online identity password as you would your bank account password. It's that important.
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Hot mess = user side, not technical side. Can you explain OpenID /OAuth simply as: "Create username. Choose password between 6-18 characters." Nicerobot?
- Mona Nomura
@nicerobot the math comes in when explaining why 1 longer, and more complex password are better then many short ones.... It might be I'm too smart for my own good but I can't seem to explain why without disucssing entropy
- Bastard Operator From FF
This one password just has to be strong all on its own. It's unrelated to the strength or number of all the other passwords. Additional security features come from how that one password is managed, that passwords aren't stored all over the world (nor should passwords be stored anywhere) and that it doesn't require entering passwords to access sites. Simply typing your password is a security concern as is storing the passwords in a browser, even if protected with another password.
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Nicerobot: Put yourself in a non-tech person's shoes. Do you think the other party will read all that? If you can sum up that paragraph in a short phrase, simply, "username + password 6-18 characters", you may have a strong case. :)
- Mona Nomura
Mona, like i mentioned above, end-users don't need to be very involved if sites like google, yahoo or even friendfeed became secure identity providers. If friendfeed was a provider, you'd already have your identity, friendfeed.com/monasfeed. Use it everywhere that wants information about you (you'd obviously have control over what they can obtain). It's like this, do have a physical id for every real life account you have or do you have one id which is accepted everywhere? One, a driver license or passport.
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But how would you explain that to someone non-tech? There are people who still don't know how to use e-mail!!
- Mona Nomura
The idea of using a url as a username is very confusing. I agree that it is a good goal, but odd implementation.
- Andrew
Mona, I would explain it like the driver license. The license is your id, the photo is like a password. @aburd how is google.com/@aburd (or anything, google.com/my-id=aburd, or just get you own domain if you're so inclined, my id is nicerobot.org) harder to understand than aburd@google.com?
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There *are* services which enable users to tie their email with OpenID. But how will they find those services? And is there a site anywhere on the Internet which clearly and simply explains OpenID? I don't think so.
- Mona Nomura
nicerobot - because one is an established norm and the other isn't.
- Andrew
@aburd URLs are very well established and are far more versatile than email addresses as well as not being tied to a specific means of contact information so they are more secure as a means of identity.
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In a word: Yes. I see it all over & just ignore it since I ... don't understand WTF & I'm a web developer heh - perhaps I should read the documentation to figure it out, but i'm too lazy
- Enrique Gutierrez
from twhirl
Getting your head round setting it up is hard, but once it's done it's quite easy to use. The VerifID idea is quite cool, although I still don't fully understand personas; maybe because I don't see a need for them personally. Whenever I see an OpenID login I usually use that as the method of logging in simply cos I think, wrongly or rightly, that is more secure.
- Shafiq Jetha
from twhirl
And who is going to help the general public with set-up? India?
- Mona Nomura
Mona, EAUT is a temporary solution and unfortunately does confuse the issue. People first need to think about their online identity. Once they do, they'll be in a position to want to manage it with centralized access and will begin to understand OpenID. Until then, all that'll happen is the push-back everyone is giving OpenID for being "confusing". Friendfeed is already a step toward online identity by aggregating users' services. Many people are confused by friendfeed at first.
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I'm not talking about the concept, I'm talking about the set-up. Usage. The actual implementation by end users. Seriously. Who is going to help set them up? India? Philippines?
- Mona Nomura
@shafiq i don't use personas either but it's useful for being able to reveal different aspects of yourself to different sites/services. @Mona, how does anyone do something new? Watch: http://is.gd/1Yk9
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Mona, set-up what? It's essentially just setting up an account with a site like any other. See MyOpenID.com
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Nicerobot: I still don't think you're understanding. MyOpenID.com = CONFUSING. Even for people in tech. Who is going to help people with questions, problems with log ins. For some who already understands, it's simple. Sites will only hinder themselves if they switch to OpenID / OAuth log-in only.
- Mona Nomura
trust is confusing, remember to read the EULA - your details are more valuable to you than to almost any service - incl Open ID (which as correctly pointed out separates ID from access via the ID - think of it as your credentials/passport - Mona's question is appropriate, caveat "who" to trust not "what" protocols - pay attention to who you trust with said credentials/passport)
- Scott Moskowitz
I reckon I could build a better one quicker than figure out how to use the dam thing. If only I thought it solved a real problem...
- Sean Kelly
Everything new can be confusing but as it becomes more common, it becomes easier for others to use and understand because the early adopters can explain it to others. This conversation is sounding like people that were afraid of using computers back in the 80s. :) How did they eventually learn to use computers? How do people learn to drive a car? Confusing things to the uninitiated but they learn and it can eventually become second nature.
- ·[▪_▪]·
Also, OpenID use is not mutually exclusive to providing direct accounts. Many sites support both and it is very unobtrusive (or can be). But the key isn't sites that support OpenID log-ins. We need big sites with millions of exiting users to become a provider, like Myspace and Facebook, then it's automatic for end-users. They don't even need to know the term "OpenID". They just know they can access other sites by authenticating with Myspace or Facebook.
- ·[▪_▪]·
Yes, tried to implement it, but explanations either didn't exist or didn't make sense.
- Mike Reynolds
openid is the best solution at the moment. People will learn it. Or, has anybody a better solution? The engine of a car is "confusing" to me. I don't understand how the fuel is used to make the car move. But I use a car and I don't feel confused.
- funkyboy
It's generally too confusing for users. "I want to create an account here, but they tell me to go somewhere else and make an account. So after I do that, I've completely forgotten what I was doing at the original site. Wait, there was an original site?" OpenID consumers and providers need to streamline and automate this process. Consumers also need to aid users in remembering their IDs as well.
- xero
My Personal Favorite Twitter Client - http://funkatron.com/spaz
Walt Ruppar, Mathew A. Koeneker, Amani and 14 other people liked this
Gotta like it for the name alone =)
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Linux! w00t!
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
I used to use Spaz before I found Twhirl
- Corvida
the only thing that bugs me is i can't keep it above all windows...
- Zee.
Using it now and loving it :D
- Soup
I liked it, but Twhirl is less intrusive, and better.
- Leandro Ardissone ⍨
if they make tabs for own tweets, replies & DMs, i'd use it in a heart-beat
- embee
Twhirl still for me.
- Stu Andrews
twitrefresh.com with google chrome tab
- Tyler Gillies
Tyler: Hmmm. That sounds pretty good. Chrome => App. Might give it a go.
- Stu Andrews
how is it opensource if I need AIR...
- Anthony Farrior
Following more than being Followed for the first time in ages. Thanks to the Aussie Top 50 list, lots of cool people to listen to.
Andrew Trinh liked this
I'll never be followed more than following. Plain ol' boring me. :P
- Andrew Trinh
Heh heh, it's not like I'm talking about a HUGE number of people :) Small fry is me.
- Stu Andrews
Cheadle replaces Howard in "Iron Man" sequel - Yahoo! News - http://news.yahoo.com/s...
"In the Marvel Studios summer smash, Howard played Jim Rhodes, Tony Stark/Iron Man's future armor-clad hero War Machine. One scene featured Howard looking at a silver suit of armor and saying "Next time," a line that caused great delight for fans. But there will be no next time for Howard. Marvel had no comment, but sources close to the deal said negotiations with Howard fell through over financial differences, among other reasons."
- MikeAmundsen
from Bookmarklet
Noooooo. That can't happen! He was just awesome as Rhodes.
- Stu Andrews
sounds like Howard overplayed his hand a bit. i like Cheadle, but i'm not on-board with this yet.
- MikeAmundsen
It's a new day, it's a new dawn and I'm feeling good...so, I'd better get this show on the road!
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Good morning!
- Mo Kargas
Morning Mo! How are you? :)
- Emma
Great ! My day is just ending, thankfully :)
- Mo Kargas
YEAH!
- Mona Nomura
Hey Mona! Long time no speak...how's things with you? :)
- Emma
The show is already on the road, quick! It's driving away .. Oh wait. That's just the _other_ show.
- Stu Andrews
Emma, thank you for asking! Things are absolutely fabulous. ;) You?
- Mona Nomura
Not bad....busy, but happy! ;)
- Emma
one for the money ...
- RAPatton
:)
- Emma
Yawn! I am so NOT a morning person. I am up though, and at my desk, and drinking fresh brewed coffee.
- Ian May
Coffee, tunes, and FFeed. A typical morning. Actually, that is typical wakefulness for me, isn't it? mornin ;)
- Michael W. May
Morning you! Mocha time? ;)
- Emma
Just strong coffee for the moment. Mocha after the brain engages the next gear. I could always make you a mug now, though ;)
- Michael W. May
from twhirl
That sounds like an offer I just couldn't refuse! ;)
- Emma
Guten Morgan!
- Mathew A. Koeneker
If I have children I'm not going to let them watch TV or play games excessively, if any at all. All it seems to do is turn them into idiots.
Anna Choi, Beau Liening, Juan Pablo González and 5 other people liked this
If I have kids they're in for some bad luck. While they'll have plenty of electronics to play with, the network admin side of me will have them locked down to the point of zero ability to change anything and they'll be going through a proxy with only a few sites open for them. Until they can prove they're mature enough to cope with more sites.
- alphaxion
I feel the same way, they're going to need to prove themselves but what if they do and get access to more thing, then it all goes downhill from there?
- Andrew Trinh
My son told me it was a good thing I didn't try that with him. He would have just gone over a friends' house.
- Robert Scoble
I'm suggesting more of a younger age where children can't really get to go anywhere without their parents.
- Andrew Trinh
Totally disagree. They need to see things they really don't want to see. Traumatic? Yes. Scared for the rest of their existance? Probably. But it's only then you realise no one else is to be trusted and you must become your own content filter. (This is only applicable to 10+ years)
- Toby Graham
I think it's about being compulsive- so for a monitored time, no probs
- anna sauce
robert: Oh I know of plenty ways around it, I've used them all myself :) What I would hope is that I don't have to lock things down for long. As they would get a good grounding on how to look after PC's from me and I'd hope that I could get an open relationship. Tho, it's all a moot point cause I've never wanted kids and neither does my gf.
- alphaxion
Tv, maybe. Games for sure don't turn anyone into an idiot.
- Federico [Kurai]
Roberts story (the full version) about his son is bang on.
- Toby Graham
Andrew: my son got together with a group of his friends over a friend's house when he was seven. They visited whitehouse.com, which back then was a porn site. And, one of the kids knew how to delete the cookies and delete the history. So, you think you have a chance? Rrrrriiiiiiggggghhhhttttttt. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I credit all my "genius" to Duck Hunt
- Enrique Gutierrez
from twhirl
But unless it's up to the parents those children aren't able to get to their mate's place. I'm thinking that can be their little bit of fun when they do but once they're home it's back to no TV and games, excessively.
- Andrew Trinh
Kids turn into idiots if they are let to. TV and games don't contribute to idiocy. If that had been true, all gamers would be retards. Problems arise when *all they ever do is watch TV and play games. For good measure, let them read books and have hobbies and join clubs etc.
- Vijayendra (V-Mo) Mohanty
That is why I would like to forbid my children from watching TV or playing games excessively, I would like them to explore the world first-hand.
- Andrew Trinh
You can't 'encourage' exploration and 'forbid' at the same time. :) TV and gaming are part of the world. Best try and help them arrange their time between all sorts of useful activities.
- Vijayendra (V-Mo) Mohanty
Wait til you have kids - as they get older you can't make black and white statements i'm afraid :) It's not about TV or games (some of the best gamers ONLY played games when young) - sure excess of anything, including stuff that is smart for them - is bad. It's down to parenting and peers.
- Steven Livingstone-Pérez
from twhirl
Interesting opinion from everyone. :) Of course I have no experience myself, and won't for a very long time, but I do know I'd like them to be involved in a lot of activities like I was. The only problem was that I was involved much later than I would have liked, I'd want to let them explore the world at an early age.
- Andrew Trinh
something that I find quite interesting is that we're part of the first couple of generations to actually have a childhood. For much of western history, childhood was often cut short as they were dumped into jobs the moment they could be.
- alphaxion
Anyway, soon even young kids will have Internet-enabled cell phones and then all bets are off. My son has his own iPhone and I don't try to put any parental controls on that.
- Robert Scoble
Actually they can also learn a lot from TV and games, its amatter of balance. Watch some of the programs with them and talk about them
- Trevor Cook
Andrew, if you have kids it's your responsibility to ensure they don't turn into idiots. Regulation and moderation is key.
- Mo Kargas
I'm into following the kid's interests. Unless it involves taking a crap in the middle of Target.
- Rodfather
I should add a little punt here for Glubble (do a search) - i like it. I can see where Robert is coming fromwith not limiting access - unfortunately, like phishing, its not the kids pulling data, its stuff being pushed to them that concerns me (and this is a growing area).
- Steven Livingstone-Pérez
from twhirl
I was raised with TV restrictions and NO video games. So when I moved out on my own, I thought I'd go TV / video game crazy, but it's the opposite... it bored me haha!
- Mona Nomura
Ahhhh. People. So idealistic.... then they become parents. :-)
- Warren
Teaching my kids discernment as well as obedience equips them far better than just putting blinkers on.
- Stu Andrews
I sometimes feel fortunate I grew up at a time where there wasn't wall-to-wall 24/7 TV; nor VCRs or Video games, and where my parents felt it was safe enough for me to play outside. TV plays practically no part in my life these days, but that's simply due to a lack of interest in most of the content. I think kids needs to learn moderation, and have a variety of choices.
- Ian May
I actually think we are in VERY early stage understanding of how to relate technology to children. Most sites are awful and much of our current work is around protecting them rather than exposing them to new ideas (granted there are a few ideas emerging).
- Steven Livingstone-Pérez
from twhirl
Really? Cause I played games A LOT growing up and still do. And I would say that it helped me be a better person.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
I've always been one to question what I read and view. I think that's important to teach kids that - and not blindly accept what is thrust at you, particularly these days when everyone is assaulted with media from an ever increasing multitude of sources.
- Ian May
I used to say things like, "*My* children are never going to...." People who already had children laughed at me. Now I have children, and I laugh at people who say, "*My* children are never going to...." You might think that because he's three years old, and completely dependent on you for food, clothing, shelter...for *everything*, that you therefore exercise absolute conrol over what he thinks, sees and does. You'd be wrong. And your control only gets weaker as he gets older.
- Pat Rice
This may never happen or should never happen, I have a kid 4 years old, as much as I try to control her, she does the same with me. Freedom to choose what she likes and dislikes makes her think in ways that I couldn't imagine myself. So, I would like to be just a guide and not a map to a pre-determined destination.
- Jayavasanthan J
Your comment shows that you obviously do not have children.
- Jeff Tunnell
Well, I grew up in front of the TV - it was my third parent! And I don't think I've turned out too bad. Sit them in front of the Discovery or History Channel? Haha then they have no choice but to LEARN, poor things. Just hope your kids will read a lot one day. The written word does wonders.
- Anna Choi
And remember how you felt being restricted as a kid? Not that fun hey? I think, in moderation, some TV and games can't hurt. Unless you want to train your kid into being the next Einstein...
- Anna Choi
Dr Horrible is mine! Australian iTunes finally got their act together.
Johnny Worthington, Andrew Trinh and Mo Kargas liked this
Woot !!
- Mo Kargas
Indeed, Woot !!
- Johnny Worthington
I concur with said Whoot-ing!
- Stu Andrews
Evening Twitter Folk! Sitting on the couch again with the aircon .. awww yeah.
Andrew Trinh liked this
It's been four seasons over here, I can't work out whether to put on a jacket or a singlet.
- Andrew Trinh
In one day. Wait. *hums a tune*
- Stu Andrews
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