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FriendFeed Blog: FriendFeed now available in فارسی - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...

May 29, 2009 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

کیان-kian, صینا, Ahmet Yükseltürk and 197 other people liked this

FriendFeed is now available in Persian! Thanks again to all of our Persian users — it has been extremely exciting for us to see FriendFeed so widely used around the world. You can set your language preference here: http://friendfeed.com/... - Bret Taylor from Bookmarklet

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Any way we could auto-translate (or even have a link with the option to?)? It'd be great to really be able to collaborate with the non-English speaking world... - Chris Reichow

Thank you all . - MohammadReza

wow, another language... I can't read it, but that is cool! :) - Susan Beebe

Now if we could only filter out languages other then our own and have the lang:en search filter. - DarknessFalls

You're welcome! We are excited to better support our Persian users. - Bret Taylor

This feels so good to be able to view the pages in a way are eyes used to see Persian writings. Thank you so much! We really appreciate your effort! Thanks again ! :) - انجل

Yay! - Mitchell Tsai

that just looks so beautiful :D - Iphigenie

محشره / غافلگیر شدم - Shandiz

wow! thanks! - Pasparto

Anybody know of good Farsi to English web translation tools? Google Translate doesn't seem to do it. - Ted Gilchrist

蝌蚪文~~~ - junrxu

Great! thanks thanks :) - Mehrdad

Thanks Dude - Jimbooo™و لب های یار

Agora precisamos da versão em Português. - Carlos Brefe

thanks ((((((((: - yasin ghasemi

Thanks ممنون ;) - Exir

merci bcp . - Afra

ممنون - mohammad mahdi kazzazi

Good job, Bret... Thanks a lot... - کرگدن

Thanks - Arash

;) It's FriendFeed.. Bravo - این فرندفید است... براوو - امیروفسکی

Ok. - wowfreeze.blogspot.com

Great Bret! I remember that in the past some persian people wrote here that whould be nice to have FF interface also in persian, probabilly because their language is very different and english isn't so diffused such in Europe. A welcome to persian friends! :) - Roberto from fftogo

Hebrew please. ^^ - David C. Cooper

تشکر جیگر - سیدیونس

kiss to you honey - جواد

bretçim herkes google plus'a gidiyor ama ben seni bırakmam ^^ - aynebilim

Aynebilim'e katılıyorum Bret. Bir sürü idiotla paylaşsam da burayı, vazgeçemiyorum işte. - Ben bu yüzden hiç kimseden gidemem gitmemmmm.. la la laaa - pippi haşmet

bretçim sana dm atamıyorum..bana abone olur musun ^^ - aynebilim

interesting! but when will FF users have something like googe's http://www.dataliberation.org/ so we can backup our feeds? - ovigia

تیلور دوستت داریم :خز - Diaze.Holmes

میلاد الاغ :)))))) - || بهاره ||

کوفت چرا میخندی؟ :)))))))))) - Diaze.Holmes

روانی :)))))) - || بهاره ||

bu vesileyle mübarek ramazana hoş geldin demek istiyorum..bretçim iftara ne yapayım canım^^ - aynebilim

:) - Sahin.Toprak

Have a good day to all of u...... - weerah

your looking good - Chavez Cecilia

ulan bide sitenin sahibisin arada güncelle bir şeyler yap at kafası. - Anıl Çağlar SAKA

lan gundi öyle maaş alıp göt büyüteceğine gel de şu insanların çığlığını duy! bankamatik lolipop.. - iwfx!

Kol Tregaskes to Kol's feed, Funny Pics and Videos

No Matter How Hard You Try, It Is Impossible To Fax A Cat #shareit

April 19, 2009 - Comment - Like - Share

Ahmet Yükseltürk, selimovski, Joan Miro and 739 other people liked this

LOL! - Kol Tregaskes

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That poor cat looks so confused. - Georgie Bestie

but it's so warm on top of the scanner! - DJF

Time for a cat scan! - Jemm

Iz I the right way up for printing? - Vicky

This is clearly not my cat. If this was my cat he's have one arm shoved down into the printer trying to tear up all the internal whirling bits with his bare claws. - Soup in a TARDIS

LOL, Soup! - Kol Tregaskes

that is one adorable kitten! - Anna Lynn M.

<3 - Furkan Tunalı

Too Funny! Reminds me of the San Mateo Cat Shelter where one of the cats loves to sleep on top of the laster printer where the paper comes out... - Greg Lato

Kitty!!!! - Janice

keep trying! - Morgan

FEED ME A CAT - tehKenny

Kol, it is NOT impossible. And that's all I'm saying. - Steven Perez

Push harder - Josh Haley

LOL@Jemm - AJ Batac :)

آخی - یک بابک

Hehe, Steven. I won't ask. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

Gosh, just noticed this post has nearly 150 likes! :-D - Kol Tregaskes

1 closer....hilarious! - Jeffrey Marsh

There we go 150 likes. :-D - Kol Tregaskes

I'm in ur faxx masheen -- sendin de faxxez.... - Stephanie Segel

thanks, i needed a laugh - chaz2b

FAXCAT IS NOT AMUSED - Karl Knechtel

iz dat some copycat? - bora "head" basman

LOL, now nearly 200 likes! :-) - Kol Tregaskes

Thats no fax machine, thats my new patented kitty juicer! - Threepwood

Just one more like... please. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

it's over two huuunddreeeed - bora "head" basman

MOAR! - Pat Hawks

I need 9 copies please ! - Faraz Mullick

A cute cat :) - Mohammad Abdurraafay

Haha, Faráz. - Kol Tregaskes

Next target, 250 likes. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

Friendfeed loev faxcat :o - Karl Knechtel

;-) - Kol Tregaskes

Pussy by fax. What will they think of next? - Mattb4rd

X)) - Neya

OMGosh, next up is the 300 likes mark. Anyone care to join in? ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

Honestly, i'm not generally a fan of the Cat memes... But that is classic. - Alistair (alpinefolk)

You know this is the 7th most liked entry on FriendFeed ever: http://beta.friendfeed.com/search... !!! - Kol Tregaskes

Kol, this thread is pure genius. - Scoble, Alex Scoble

But only almost 50 comments.. :) - Simon Wicks

Simon, there's not much to comment regarding the picture :) But meta-comments are more than appropriate! - Ivan Zuzak

Simon, yeah we need 1500+ comments now, who wants to start? ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

there we go then for the 1500+!! - Jaap Willem

1600+ to beat the FFundercats live chat thread. I think with this real time now on all threads we're going to see some truly epic comment numbers. - Simon Wicks

Ivan, no the picture speaks for itself. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

OK, now it's the 4th: http://beta.friendfeed.com/search... - it's gonna take a huge effort to break the record of 452+ likes here: http://beta.friendfeed.com/imified... - Kol Tregaskes

OK, now this is the 3rd most liked entry: http://beta.friendfeed.com/search... :-D Crazy! - Kol Tregaskes

Too bad I am fresh out of likes of I would do it again. - Jason (not an Argonaut)

I'm using this photo in the latest chapter of can haz murder - anna sauce

Hehe, Anna. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

One more for 350 likes, LOL. This is mental! :-) - Kol Tregaskes

Come on, 350 cats for a cat getting crushed? You guys are mean. :-P - Richard A.

I'd like again if I could :-) - Dobromir Hadzhiev

bump - Simon Wicks

Richard, LOL! - Kol Tregaskes

Awesomely funny! - Martha

Next target: 400 likes? ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

theres one more for you Kol - Toby Graham

Toby, you're very kind. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

Cute *_* - Sybelle

Hehe. - Kol Tregaskes

Just 6 more likes for the 400 then I'll leave you alone. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

can you spare a cat 6 likes? - Jason (not an Argonaut)

sweet - Eric Hofmann

Haha, Jason, wow 406 likes, madness! :-D - Kol Tregaskes

Madness? THIS. IS. FAX CAT. - Mike Nayyar

Well 452 likes is the record, hmm I think that is pushing it. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

Awesome. - Scoble, Alex Scoble

this is underfaksink at its worzt - pb:

Petr, I have no idea what you mean, but thank you. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

@Kol .. :] that, partially, might have been the purpose.... I don't know it exactly either. :] .. was I reflecting on a cat under the fax, and that it is hard to fax that way ... /?:] ... "underfaxing at its worst" .. - pb:

Ah, OK, Petr. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

there ya have me ! :] .... see, to be honest with you, i saw this pic couple days ago, but i let it go, without posting it ..... what does that make me? :] - pb:

:-) - Kol Tregaskes

OMGosh, just 23 more likes to beat this: http://beta.friendfeed.com/imified... ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

433 Like ! Wow ! - Like

Freemor, yes very cute! :-D - Kol Tregaskes

cute~ - Chan Pen

that's why is called a cat scan and not a cat fax. - Phil Maxwell

oh ... a scan. not fax?! .... it looked to me like she was faxink - pb:

Just 5 more likes needed. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

Fax, Petr. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

even a flat cat... faxes just can't handle the hair. You'd have to shave the cat first, else the hair will burn and stick to the drum... a mess! (I am extrapolating from transparencies, mind, i don't have access to a cat to test) - Iphigenie

Hehe, Joelle. This is now tied for the 'likes' top stop. One more then, hehe. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

Hehe, Greg. Blimey! Erm, is that not far from 500 likes now? ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

Bloody marvelous, Kol. Wish I could like it again... too cute (and help u to 500 likes). - Roberto Bonini

I couldn't believe it when I logged on from the morning over posting it and saw it was at something 200 likes! You all have a strange fetish with cats and fax machines, hehe. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

Am I the only one who saw this and their first thought was - My goodness did someone break that cats neck? It still freaks me out a little - SteVe C

Steve, it does look a little out of place, but cats are pretty bendy. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

They fax much better if you flatten them first. What? - The original Kevin

LOL, Kevin. - Kol Tregaskes

i can also imagine the cat going there cause it is snug and warm - Iphigenie

Ey, it would be a tad warm on there, especially after a long working day. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

Caption which needs to be said aloud: Uh Ohz, I'm totally FAXED! - The Real sofarsoShawn

Hehe, Shawn. 10 more for the big 5-0-0. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

Countdown! 8 more now! - Mike Nayyar

bump for more likes - Josh Haley

bump - Roberto Bonini

One more!! :-) - Kol Tregaskes

I took mine away, too much pressure. - SteVe C

Wow, there we go, 500 likes!! Thank you all!! :-D - Kol Tregaskes

I think Fax Kitty deserves a prize for that. - Georgie Bestie

меня, признаться, подзаебал этот кот - Парадокс Смейла

Kendra, absolutely. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

So we can put this post to rest now. :-) 505 likes final count, wow! :-D Good night all! - Kol Tregaskes

did 3 people really un-like this? now at 506. wtf (edit: uh, oh, yeah, me and 2 + 506 others makes 509. dammit, jim, i'm an artist, not a mathematician) - ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ

wish I could double like! - metalerik

Wish I could just like it at all. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

This is also still on the Best of page. That must be the longest running best of post? :-) - Kol Tregaskes

But it's a cat being crushed... - Richard A.

برای چی این همه لایک خورده؟؟؟؟؟ - نصرآبادی

Hehe, Richard. - Kol Tregaskes

copy cat - gibilix

518 like! most liked post? - Lu Tao

ay yerim yaa çok tatlı kedicikk :)) - Arzu

Lu, yeah but a long way now. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

*bump* - Andre

Blew past 500 likes - LIKE!!!!! - Roberto Bonini

OMGosh, nearly heading to 550!! - Kol Tregaskes

So we know how many people use this site. - Richard A.

So that's what Paws Printing means. - Jack&Cleo

Richard, we getting there. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

Jack, hehe. - Kol Tregaskes

this thread is making history. - vijay

Indeed .. this is a most epic thread - Mattb4rd

Hehe. 9 more for 550! - Kol Tregaskes

8... - The Real sofarsoShawn

7. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

Actually only 5...cuz "You, Earl E Morningwood, yasin ghasemi and... 542 liked this" - The Real sofarsoShawn

Who wants to bet how many likes this thead is going to get??? - Roberto Bonini

Gosh, no idea. - Kol Tregaskes

take some bets then come back in a year to check? - Iphigenie

:) - SokooteDel

Holy smokes .. this pussy cat is approaching 600 likes! - Mattb4rd

552 now, so there are some unlikes going on, hehe, oh well. Still an amazing amount of likes. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

560! - The Real sofarsoShawn

And back down to 559. Hehe. - Kol Tregaskes

And how could anyone not love kitties after seeing this photo? - Susan Beebe

I liked it without reading this discussion - evidentially we have a lot of people who like the idea of faxing a cat! - Rich

Rich, yes, worrying, hehe. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

564! - The Real sofarsoShawn

I think we'll have to recruit more ffeeps before this record will ever be broken - Jason (not an Argonaut)

maybe a good way to clone cats :) - Roberto

Hehe, Roberto. - Kol Tregaskes

This surely couldn't hit 600 likes, could it!? - Kol Tregaskes

It could! Keep bumping it up! - imabonehead

It will :) - Roberto Bonini

My next cat post: http://beta.friendfeed.com/the-fun... - Kol Tregaskes

Wow, not even 600 Likes? Feh. ;-) - j1m

No yet. Close though. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

Stuck on 581. - Kol Tregaskes

One of the best funny cat pictures I've seen! :-) - John Collis

Kristian, it appears to be. Hehe, John. - Kol Tregaskes

ای بابا این پیشول بی خیال نمی شود، بابا پاشو برو دنبال یه بازی دیگه ، از هفته پیش تا حالا تو فکس ولو شدی حوصله ات سر نرفته، پاشو اقلا بپر رو کیبوردی چیزی - Maryaminaa

11 more to 600. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

داداش كوتاه بيا، مي خواي ركورد بزني!؟ - Exir

هستم بره این کامنتتو ترجمه کنه اکسیر ! :))) داره از فضولی میمیره الان ! :D - Shayan

Hehe, 6 more likes. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

Need 1 more like, by my calculation, to get to 600 - Josh Haley

Another unlike then, back down to 598. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

it's 598+3, at the moment ;-) - Andre

There we go, 601!! Wow, can't believe it. :-D Thanks everyone!! - Kol Tregaskes

3 people un liked :( - Roberto Bonini

I think there have been made unlikes over the last week, oh well. - Kol Tregaskes

too many likes, the kitteh is burning up..stop the madness...;) - Jason (not an Argonaut)

Haha, Jason. - Kol Tregaskes

614!!!!! - The Real sofarsoShawn

Whoa! :-) - Kol Tregaskes

man! ..Kol is gaining ... and I saw that pic one day before Kol posted it :X ..and i let it go! :[)] - pb:

Petr, who's he? - Kol Tregaskes

omg, this post passed 600 likes! - imabonehead

@Kol ..well the man .. Mr Photographer .. ok .. let me go there .. - pb:

I see. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

631 likes, amazing stuff. :-D - Kol Tregaskes

Day 11 and this thing's still going! - Phil Maxwell

Why fax yourself when you can get famous via FriendFeed? :-) - Willem (@wim66) ☠

whereas a cat *scan* is totally feasible - Megan Craig

Kol, congratulations, you won the Friendfeed Award for the most likes entry! - Jérôme

Kol is this from your rival: Squashy Cat Photography? - The Real sofarsoShawn

Haha, Shawn. Have you really bumped this one again? ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

LOL I was actually looking at best of month and I thought I'm going to be clever :-) - The Real sofarsoShawn

this makes me laugh every darn time I see it - Stephanie•CogSciLibrarian

Who is this NShawnFW? ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

kitties do like to find new spots to nap :) - Maryam

LOL, now over 650 likes. - Kol Tregaskes

این هنوز در نیومده از لای این دستگاه؟ - Maryaminaa

Wow. this is good..... pleased, Kol? - Roberto Bonini

Pleased? About the number of likes? I'm happy regardless. :-D - Kol Tregaskes

So do we think it will go to 700 likes? ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

what do you mean by "it" ? say "he" or "she". :) - Maryaminaa

Haha, I was referring to the entry. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

lol - Maryaminaa

I see someone already posted 'Copy Cat' !! LOL Great picture - Kevin J Hatton

:-) - Kol Tregaskes

O HAI! I IZ WATIN FR COOPONZ, KTHXBYE. - WYRD 101

Neksnapper 3000 Kitten Eradicator - Kills Kittehs Dead - Mattb4rd

Hehe. - Kol Tregaskes

10 more likes for 700! :-) - Kol Tregaskes

7 more by my count! - Bec Rowe @d0tski

Oops, yes you're right, Bec. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

Isn't it illegal to fax a pussy? - aerobroken

It's really only social convention which regards it as inappropriate, same with Xeroxing it, like one does with their b__tocks. Wait are we still talking about cats cats here or... - The Real sofarsoShawn

OMGosh 700+ likes now!! LOL. Thank you all 702 of you. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

Wow, not so bad huh? \u) - Zu from AOD

Before faxing it, you have to flatten it out a bit. You're going at it all wrong! :-) - Rick Cogley

Must try this at home! - Anthony K. Valley ©

Bumping some old great posts. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

Now THAT is a classic! - Allan Besselink

you have to flatten it first!!! ;) - Neda S.

This is very good humor! - TrafficBug

Hey, we've hit the 700-like mark. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

just a couple thousand to go - Jason (not an Argonaut)

LOL - Smeerch

__awesome__ - scotu ._.,

and it got resurrected once again! - Iphigenie

I managed to do it once, but I don't think I'm going to do it again. The results were a little fuzzy. - Seth Greenblatt

Bump. - Kol Tregaskes

ahahahahaha salaaa baaaaaakkkkkk - missipipi

I'm so glad this thread has been revived. The cat in the fax machine never fails to delight. - Michelle Jones

aha! 700 kişi zorla kapağın altına tepilen kediyi beğenmiş - Siminya

I've heard of cheap paper but this is ridiculous!! - Neda S.

Copy the cat - Alyn William

And there I was thinking this was the most liked post on FriendFeed. Darn, just 3rd. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

Just 100 more likes to go. ;-) - Kol Tregaskes

Missed this the first time around. - John (bird whisperer)

:-) - Kol Tregaskes

Wow, over 700 likes. :-D - Kol Tregaskes

715 likes and counting. - Kol Tregaskes

Fax Yeah! - Playing Well with Others

:-) - Kol Tregaskes

who revived that one? - Iphigenie

Me, sorry. - Kol Tregaskes

Just 40 more likes. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

all right let's do it... - Iphigenie

Love this one! - Fossil Huntress

:-) - Kol Tregaskes

#aaaf - Ali Oz

Anika to Anika's feed, Foods

What's for dinner: Lamb Biryani - http://yasmeen-healthnut.blogspot.com/2008...

June 22, 2009 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

The Fat Oracle, vimoh, Fikisha and 25 other people liked this

"Hyderabadi Biryani is my ultimate recipe for a flavorful rice. The bite of protein,the aroma of spices,the tang from lime,sweetness of onions and touch of herbs make this biryani a top favorite of my family and guests in any daawat. Two kinds of Biryani are commonly made in hyderabad, "Kacchi" and "Pakki". "Kacchi" literally meaning raw is prepared by layering uncooked meat. The "Kacchi" Biryani ,usually prepared by expert "Bawarchis" ,requires a thick bottom vessel for meat to cook through without burning and rice has to be precisely half cooked while promptly making layers before rice cools. I prefer making the easier "Pakki" biryani in which cooked meat is layered with rice.The following recipe is of "Pakki" Biryani." - Anika from Bookmarklet

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It's been probably about 8 months since I've made a biryani and I awoke craving this. Hope I can find my saffron, it's been way too long since I've used it. - Anika

This looks so good, I'm hungry. Your knowledge of hyderabadi biryani's is great too. Lots of other varieties of biryani out there. Don't forget to have this biryani with Mirchi ka salan (chillis melange) or bagaire baingan (aubergine stew) and raita (mixed yogurt) of course - Aaman (Clone of FF)

Friend of mien was comparing biryani in India to pizza here. People get very passionate about it. "Hydrabad biryani sucks!" despite hearing about how great it was at work for about 1/2 hour the day before. - anna sauce

I have only had biryani a few times, but I really liked it. Haven't tried cooking it myself, though. - ha3rvey (Hugs 50% off!)

Aaman, that first part above is from the site, though I do know my biryanis since I started learning to cook them in '87. I always have mine with a raita and of course, the chilis because that's what I'm used to. I'm just more excited about being able to used vegetables and herbs from my garden for this. - Anika

I love Biryani! I don't think I'll try making it though. There are so many great Indian restaurants in my part of NJ. Thanks for sharing! :-) - sean808080

Off to make the biryani. Using chiken (boring!) because I forgot to buy lamb. - Anika

hell yes - Cee Bee

I'll be right over. :) - Ayşe E.

Anika, my first job out of school was in Hyderabad - lived there for about 1.5 years and had the most amazing food possible. If I am ever in your part of the US, I hope I can come make some Hyd biryani and Salan for you. - The Fat Oracle

When I was at the Indian market and asked for the saffron, the guy asked me what I was making. When I told him he said, "Whoa. You can do that?" Yep! Been making it since I was 12. I think he fell in love with me. ;P - Anika

Since 12?? *I* am in love with you. - The Fat Oracle

yum yum! - imabonehead

LOL Kamath, you're on! I am always ready for someone to cook tasty food for me. - Anika

YES! Nothing like a good biryani. It's one of my favorite ways to have rice. - Will Higgins™

Bumping this because I'm thinking about cooking something different. - ha3rvey (Hugs 50% off!)

FFing Enigma

Here it is, my LOLcat with bacon in its mouth frolicking amongst rainbows whilst farting glitter (see here for inspiration http://friendfeed.com/isthiss...). #Echo

May 19, 2009 - Comment - Like - Share

Penguin, chaz2b, The Real sofarsoShawn and 41 other people liked this

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!! - FFing Enigma

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Tina, you win all internet points today. - Yolanda

This will be my new go-to post when ever I need to laugh maniacally =D - FFing Enigma

Tina, you are ALL kinds of awesomesauce! As is baconrainbowglitterfartingpoostick kitteh. :-D - Ladyepiphanybug

That was my nickname in high school Ladybug Heather - SteVe C

also, http://drop.io/yodrops... - Yolanda

I'm especially proud of the glitter farts. Very Lisa Frank... - FFing Enigma

LOL plus extra points for Yolanda - Dobromir Hadzhiev

ROFL even. Damn Tina, you *ARE* teh interwebzawesomness forever now. - ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ

Wow. Just...wow. - Neal "thePuck" Jansons

I think this could actually break the internet - ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ

LOL - John (bird whisperer)

Way to go, Tina. And +1 to Steve C for the comment! - asiriusgeek

HAHAHAHAHA - Bwana ☠

If I'm still somehow on Scoble's 'interesting' list, this should get me banned with a quickness... - FFing Enigma

oh man, I'm speechles, yet I'm saying something - Bwana ☠

*hands over teh internet to Tina* - Carmen wBabby

Is very good, my frendz liked it too :o) - David Gross

Thank you, David =) - FFing Enigma

That's going to pop up randomly in someone's Google Image search for "cat" someday, and leave them completely dumbfounded. Which makes it awesome. - Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)

And then, with luck, they will share it, and all this will begin again. - Neal "thePuck" Jansons from IM

Kamilah, just the thought of that made me almost snarf my icecream!!! - FFing Enigma

*bump* Gotta bring the cat back in honor of all the "OMGFFIZDED" posts =) - FFing Enigma

hahaha! awesome! :D - holly #ravingfangirl

lol - Josh Haley

would be funnier if it was a gif with moving glittere :) - David Gross

Mona Nomura

Any female who says she is ok with being a "friend with benefits" is lying to themselves. Stop it, you're worth more.

May 2, 2009 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

Raecheal, Dawn, Melanie Reed and 65 other people liked this

Bah! FWB is an awesome state of being. - Sparky, lurking

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Finally someone is talking the truth. Some straight talk is just what some people need IMHO. Thanks for putting your words down. - David Damore

When it comes down to it, everyone wants to be loved and feel secure. The sooner you figure that out, the sooner you'll be happier. ;) - Mona Nomura

Having had a few of these who were actively dating other people and easily moved on when they found someone they actually wanted to be with, I'm going to have to disagree. Yeah, there is some physical and general some emotional attraction, but it is still possible to separate sex from love. The problem comes when you remain good friends (with benefits) for too long, eventually the wires will get crossed, especially the more you go through together. - xero

There is nothing wrong with actively dating, but just the "friends with benefits" is a load of crap. EVERY female is worth more than a quickie at 3am with no cuddling and day time outings. - Mona Nomura

@Mona: Who says she has to get the quickie, the cuddling, and the daytime outings all from the same person? - Roger Benningfield

...but why can't one just enjoy being loved in the moment? - .LAG liked that

No one, Roger - but clearly that's what she is looking for. :) @.LAG In the moment is great... in the moment, but when the moment extends to longer moments, and longer moments, and even longer moments, it's human nature and a necessity that with love, comes trust, security, friendship, etc., etc. And if those needs aren't met or balanced, the drama ensues LOL - Mona Nomura

Mona, are you saying that a woman is not capable of having a purely sexual urge that needs to be met without a romantic emotional urge attached to it? - xero

true but it goes both ways. One person always wants more than the other in those situations and it's not always the lady. - Anna Lynn M.

Xero - yes. @Anna: But why wouldn't she want more? What was she (or he) doing with the other person in the first place? ;) - Mona Nomura

...Mona, it's that "drama" that keeps relationships interesting...and viable. - .LAG liked that

Oh boy. I have close to zero tolerance for drama, I'm all about stability. Been there, done that, no thanks! Perhaps that's where we differ. ;) - Mona Nomura

"more" is unattainable. - Anthony Citrano

I loathe drama. Completely. - Jonathan Hardesty

...some times, you just don't want more from that person. It's fun and that's all it is. It's not that you feel less worthy of a "real" relationship...some times that's all you want to deal with because there are other things in life going on. But you definitely have to be a very secure person to really honestly be ok with that kind of relationship..just my 2 cents. - Anna Lynn M.

I think you may be projecting then Mona, considering this huge sexual revolution that women have been on for years, and my past experience, past friends, and psychological studies -- I'm going to fully disagree. It has been suggested that there is a genetic component to the women who can not separate the two feelings, but the studies I've seen have all shown overwhelming evidence that... more... - xero

Ack, drama. I have a 20ft no drama radius. I suggest everyone acquire one. ;) - xero

Xero - That's what I've been saying, you just worded it differently LOL. And I agree with the drama. Been there, done that, no thanks. ;) - Mona Nomura

Mona, your comments sound more like a fuckbud than friends with benefits. Real FWB are friends more than anything else. - Sparky, lurking

So what happens when one wants more than the other? Or starts to get attached? It's human nature, the longer you spend time with the person, you want to have something tangible and solid. As a female, if we set the tone with "friends with benefits", that's how the man will only see you as: "friends with benefits" or you'd end up as last resort. :( - Mona Nomura

But it's not that it's not possible, it's just that people put themselves into those relationships without setting down ground rules, either personal ones or consensual ones. Then things change over time sometimes, maybe they get to know each other better, etc. Sometimes one of the people actually wants to be romantically involved with the other and they accept the other arrangement as a way to bide their time. Those situations will NEVER work out. - xero

Honesty is always the best policy. And most of the time, people are not honest with themselves and or each other -- that's when things (feelings) get imbalanced and one party ends up getting hurt, mainly the female, more often times than not. - Mona Nomura

Agreed, Mona. It's usually one person who gets more attached than the other, or there's some kind of failure to communicate that happens somewhere along the way. For all my talk, I'd probably get too attached the fastest. :P - Jonathan Hardesty

You're not the only one, Jonathan! ;) - Mona Nomura

Heh. For all my "walls," I am kind of easy like that. Hence the need to create walls. :P - Jonathan Hardesty

I want a friend with benefits. Waaaah! - vimoh

what? - Pokai

Nobody ever actually *wants* a friend with benefits, those occur when you're in a situation in which something is preventing you from having a continued relationship. Most people actually just want someone they can booty call as needed, a "fuck buddy" if you will. You have to remember that a FWB situation only generally occurs naturally if two existing friends decide that the other "will do" for getting out sexual frustration. - xero

Like I said, the idea of FWB appeals to me. Right now it's more of a sexual thing than a relationship thing. Now, whether or not that would work or turn into another long-term thing remains to be seen. But there's something to being with someone for however long... - Jonathan Hardesty

Are you sure that you're not looking for a casual relationship (dating with no expectations or long-term plans) instead of FWB? - xero

Could be. I dunno. - Jonathan Hardesty

God I'm so not keeping up with this convo. Mona - if one wants more than the other then you talk about it like adults. People do actuall want friends with benefits - often when I'm single I hook up with close friends who are also single. We don't want relationships from each other beyond our close friendship but hey - why not party with your pants off once in a while? It's all about communication and having fun with your friends. - Sparky, lurking

Sex can be a beautiful act of love between two people. It can also just be sex. Mind blowing, toe curling, swinging from the chandeliers sex. - Sparky, lurking

@Sparky, the original comment was concerning females. I believe I know most all men can separate the two - physical sex/emotional sex. I cannot separate the two. - Janet-The Bottley Crue

Why can't you be loved by one person, and FWB with a few others? - Chris Charabaruk

Way to stir up the mob Mona ;) - Tony C (Unrated)

I tried that randomly sleeping around thing. It didn't work out. It's possible I just so happened to only sleep with chicks that wanted to put a ring on it though...LOL - Rah-PM 2012

Personally, or empirically Chris? Personally, it's not whether I can or can't separate sex and love, it's that I don't want to separate sex and love (or perhaps better phrased as "lovingness"). If I'm scromping with someone I'm trusting them with my life and that's not something I take lightly. For me to have that kind of trust of a person, I had to know them well and by the time I know... more... - FFing Enigma

I was just trying to be humorous. That said, some people are better at separating sex and emotions than others... I've met guys where they go hand-in-hand, and I've met girls who could only love one guy, but have no problem sexing up anyone else. - Chris Charabaruk

Really, it's just that some folk don't particularly see these things as having to go together. TBH, I'm one of them. Just the way I am. - Chris Charabaruk

Mona, what you say is true...for Mona. But to impose your standards on others is presumptuous at best and intolerant at worst. Recast your remark substituting for "friends with benefits" the words "lesbian", "bottom", "sex worker", "polyamorous", "mother", "schoolteacher", "single", "childless", "executive", etc., and you'll see that you're denying your sisters the sovereignty to define... more... - Alan Chamberlain

Completely agree with you Mona. - dpurrington

+++Sparky, Chris, tiffany & Roger. - Anika

Mona is right. If you turn yourself into a piece of ass, you're going to wind up with the self-esteem of a piece of ass. In the end, you'll feel insecure, unloved and used. That's just the way life works. People who think they can separate their bodies from their spirits are just fooling themselves. - Dawn

Dawn - if you look at it like that then yes. Having sex doesn't mean you are a piece of ass though. Also: sometimes it's hot to feel used ;) - Sparky, lurking

That's sexist. Why wouldn't you think that a women wouldn't enjoy the same pleasures as a man? Plus, men can be just a "piece of ass" too. - BEX

What's wrong with being sexy? - dpurrington

Women are wired differently than men. Women are psychologically wired to nest with one protective mate. Men are much more capable of having frivolous multiple contacts; they don't have the same pulls on their heart, mind and spirit. Call that sexist if you want to, but I didn't create the biology. - Dawn

Men and woman are biologically different. The sooner we understand why we (males and females) do what we do, life for both parties involved is a lot easier. We (as society) are so hung up on equality, a lot of lines get blurred -- and the sooner we shift mindsets to celebrating (and appreciating!) differences instead of trying to prove we are "just as good or better", the sooner the... more... - Mona Nomura

Alan said exactly what I was thinking. Trying to dictate how or why someone should act sexually, esepecially because of their gender, just ends up frustrating everyone. I hope we're past that as a society. - Andy Bakun

I did it for a while. Sometimes I was happy, many times I was sad, in the end I was pissed off and never spoke to the guy again. I don't really recommend it, but I think it was about all I could do at the time. My options are pretty limited out here in the Midwest. I'm just very fortunate that I finally found my full-blown loving boyfriend after so many years. It took finding the right... more... - Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)

Kamilah - I am so happy for you :) As for people coming in using words like "dictating" should take a close look at what myself (Dawn, plus a few others) are saying. Otherwise, we are going to keep talking in circles. And sub (jo), I completely disagree with your statement "there is absolutely nothing wrong with women who associate their self esteem with the men or women they sleep... more... - Mona Nomura

Oh most definitely tiffany, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with being a sexual female. :) sub (jo): self defining self esteem I agree with, but lying to yourselves or delusions is the problem and more often times than not leads to hurt, trauma, and or drama. - Mona Nomura

"any female who says she is okay with FWB is lying to themsevles" sounds like dictating to me. - Andy Bakun

What am I dictating, Andy? I just made a statement. How you react to the statement is not up to me, it's up to you. :) - Mona Nomura

WOMEN HAVE BRAINS, people! We're not just slaves to our hormones and organs in EITHER direction. There's nature, and there's also nurture. This makes for infinite diversity. Saying that all women are the same is just plain irrational. We can come up with our own thoughts that have more influence over our actions and desires than any wiring and that oxytocin stuff. Also, many women AREN'T worth more, because they didn't use their brains to be worth more. - MiniMage, enterRUPPted

Biological determinism is overrated. Human beings have subverted biological drives for hundreds of thousands of years. Civilization is built on the systematic subversion of these drives. And in any case, there are plenty of examples throughout the animal kingdom where the gender roles don't always go that way. - Victor Ganata

Of course women have brains. But it's also important to understand females tend to react emotionally. Once a female embraces that fact and males understand females are wired differently, things become a lot easier. (For ALL relationships i.e. friendships, colleagues, love, etc.) - Mona Nomura

Who are you to judge what other women think, seriously? What's right for YOU isn't right for all women. Get that straight, and you'll begin to understand. - Jillian York

I think it's important to understand that individual people are wired differently. We're not just all archetypes of our particular gender. A man who believes every man thinks the same is going to be at a disadvantage. I would imagine it's the same for a woman who assumes such things about other women. - Victor Ganata

See? Case in point. Who are YOU Jillian, and why are you so upset with me? - Mona Nomura

Men react emotionally, too. If you haven't seen a guy do a shoutingcussypissy dance in the infield because he let a grounder get past him, or because someone shot him dead in Half-Life, you might have missed something--or you might not. - MiniMage, enterRUPPted

Mage - of course. I am speaking generally. I know MANY males who are more emotional than females. I am speaking in generalities here. - Mona Nomura

I just found this via someone else's link - you're assuming that women who have the capacity to handle that arrangement are "lying" themselves? I find that utterly judgemental and ridiculous. - Jillian York

"Human beings have subverted biological drives for hundreds of thousands of years." Oh really? Homo sapiens sapiens have only been on earth for 2 of those "hundreds of thousands of years." And "civilization" has only been around a tiny fraction of that. Yes, humans have the power to "subvert biological drives" but doing so always comes at a cost. - Dawn

LOL! Not even worth it! [edit: oh, I suppose that means 2 (100k), not 2 (1000). Phwew! - MiniMage, enterRUPPted

And Mona, my upset isn't directed solely at you but at the generations of women who've had this idea pushed down their throats by other women. You're perpetuating gender stereotypes. - Jillian York

Jillian - that was a rhetorical question. It doesn't matter who you are, everyone is welcome in my feed. I am going to say the same thing I said to Andy. I just made a statement, how you react to the statement is up to you. :) As for your latter comment, I am copying what I wrote above: "We (as society) are so hung up on equality, a lot of lines get blurred -- and the sooner we shift... more... - Mona Nomura

Who cares? People do what they do. We're animals, right? - Tyler Hurst

Jillian, once you get to my age, you'll understand that "women who have the capacity to handle that arrangement" are their own harshest judges as they look back and think "What the hell was I doing?!" I've talked to countless women who see later in life the damage they inflicted on themselves. - Dawn

Mona, if you believe in those differences, then you should also believe in the differences between groups of women. I accept and believe that for you - and many, many other women - a "friends with benefits" situation makes you feel less worthy. For other women - myself included at certain times in life - it makes me feel empowered and complete. You and I fundamentally agree that men and women are different, but I also agree that not all women are created equal. - Jillian York

Oh Dawn, come off it. I'm in the best relationship of my life, and committed - but I would never for a second regret the encounters I've had. Monogamy is not right for everyone; just because you've come to see that later in life doesn't mean that I will feel the same way. I'm sorry for your regrets - I have none. - Jillian York

I'm willing to admit that the percentage off women who can handle FWB may well be lower than the percentage of men who can. However, I just can't let anyone say a woman can't do it. People used to claim that women couldn't be mass-murderers and that men couldn't be nurturing. Nature has examples of males who are wired for one mate for life, and probably has an example of profligate females. We are too complex to pigeonhole. - MiniMage, enterRUPPted

I agree, MiniMage - I don't doubt that the experiences of those women are true. But I also know countless women my mother's age who remain uncommitted, or who found marriage to be their worst mistake (just like I did). These same people who are coming to accept the differences between men and women should accept the differences between WOMEN. - Jillian York

I don't have any regrets. And being "friends with benefits" is not the same thing as having had one sexual partner your whole life. - Dawn

My stance on monogamy has been changing lately. At this point in my life, I'm not entirely sure I want to "love" just one person, or even have something long term and exclusive. Just thought I would throw that out there. I think that there are women out there who could do FWB, but I haven't met them. - Jonathan Hardesty

I will say though, I haven't met a lot of people, so take that how you will. :P - Jonathan Hardesty

Dawn, not sure I understood that last part or how it pertains to me. - Jillian York

You're confusing what monogamy is. It means having one sexual partner for a period of time. People can be FWB and be monogamous. And when you say, "Monogamy is not right for everybody," and also say you're in a "committed" relationship, your statements are in conflict. - Dawn

"These same people who are coming to accept the differences between men and women should accept the differences between WOMEN." Jillian nails it! Women aren't the same. Look, the "women are made differently" argument is old & tired. It's been used to force women into marriages they didn't want, deny women the right to vote, get an education or own property, and keep girls out of football, baseball and other opportunities. Seriously, I'd like to see that dropped. Women can bear young. Men can't. I get it. - MiniMage, enterRUPPted

Mage, Women ARE made differently and we are in 2009. I respect the fight and the paths past women (and males) fought to get us to where we are. That said, I still deal with racism and sexism almost everyday -- actually, depending on how I look at it, life could've been horrible for me. I am Asian. I am female. But even if I am called China-girl in 2009, even if I am female, even if I am... more... - Mona Nomura

The problem I have is the implicit devaluation of other people's experiences. How can you assume how much someone values a certain situation without knowing them very well? - Victor Ganata

Mona, you have said that you don't believe in luck. You believe each person determines his or her own fate. However, you don't believe a woman can decide that she doesn't want more than to have a friend with benefits? How do you reconcile this? - MiniMage, enterRUPPted

Dawn, I know what friends with benefits means. I've done it, and it worked for me at that point of time in my life. Being committed NOW doesn't conflict with the belief that monogamy isn't always right. We change and develop our entire life, and my philosophy is to go with what feels right at the time and live without regrets. I'm committed now because, for the first time ever in my life, it feels like the right choice. I've also been married, and that felt like the wrong choice. - Jillian York

Victor - Can you put it more simply? I don't understand what you are trying to ask me. @Mage: It's because a lot of females try to live up to the anti-societal stereotypes. Like I keep saying, we are in 2009. Not 1950. - Mona Nomura

Mona, when you render a judgment like that, you're de-valuing people's experiences. My question is, how do you know what a particular experience is worth to another person, without actually knowing the person? - Victor Ganata

Mona, again, that's your opinion, and like Victor said, you're de-valuing people's experiences. Yes, there are women who do certain things to stick it to the man; there are also many women who do what feels right to them. By placing your assumptions on all of us, you're no better than the rest. - Jillian York

Ok. If you say so. We are just talking in circles. But I still stand by my statement and excusing certain behaviors by assigning whatever reasoning only gives justification for people to not re-examine themselves and why they do the certain things they do. :) - Mona Nomura

Hopefully, people can at least understand that Jillian's "do whatever feels good at the time" sexual philosophy creates instability that is very harmful to children, which explains why there have been societal pressures against it. - Dawn

Circles is right. I will have to give up. As for me, I will try to allow each his or her own personhood and right to determine for himself or herself what makes him/her happy, no matter what year it is, no matter what chromosomes he/she was born with. Why? Because no one can truly understand every human mind, and how each one is shaped by his/her experiences. - MiniMage, enterRUPPted

I'd also be careful about being too categoric about what is "very harmful to children", because a lot less is harmful to children than one thinks (it might not be "very good" but its not harmful) except direct and indirect abuse. And a happy, balanced etc. parent is far better than anything else - Iphigenie

Mona writes: "We (as society) are so hung up on equality". Ah, would that that were true, alas. The fight for marriage equality continues, for example, and a great many in our society are vehemently opposed to it. Until we (as society) are able to tolerate diversity, not simply of gender or race, but of experience, philosophy, sexual response, and beliefs, we should continue to be "hung... more... - Alan Chamberlain

As long as we recognize that it's a judgment call and not an empiric truth, I guess we'll have to leave it at that. - Victor Ganata

i am sure it was prompted by a real life situation, probably watching a friend in a hurtful situation - and in that context it probably makes a lot of sense. If it affects your perceived value of yourself, then goodness! never do it, whatever it is - Iphigenie

Oh of course, I stand by all my girlfriends who get into the FWB (for whatever reason they choose to) and am there when they need a shoulder, Mage. :) @Alan - You're not understanding me, and that is ok. It's not about "tolerating" or "equality". It's about understanding and celebrating the differences. Word connotations automatically lead to offense and defense, which is why there are so many issues that aren't resolute. @Victor - it is the truth. - Mona Nomura

What is the litmus test for something being a judgment call vs an empirical truth? because that test itself is a judgment call - I know this empirically. - Micah

Give me some evidence! n = 1 is a sucky sample size, n =2 only marginally less sucky ;) - Victor Ganata

doesnt it all boil down to expectations? If the girl or guy says they are OK but actually hope for more, then it will be painful sooner or later, and it will affect self esteem, Mona is right about that. If they have no expectations or wish to be more, and just enjoy intimacy now and then, but clearly think of each other as just friends with no expectations, then it can work. The ones I know who do are transient (a couple times then no more) or occcasional (every few months, not more often). - Iphigenie

I can agree with that. Anyone who thinks FWB is a stable situation that can last indefinitely is going to be disappointed eventually. - Victor Ganata

Well Dawn, maybe that's true and maybe it isn't - but I don't WANT children, so that's quite irrelevant. Also, I am with Victor in that FWB is not a lasting situation - but it is one that some women can enjoy emotionally unscathed and perhaps even better for having. - Jillian York

I'm out too, but thank you Mona, for inspiring a blog post! - Jillian York

I have a hard time believing that even men want FWB perpetually (well, except for maybe on FFer), but who actually says that's all they'll ever want? Some men or women could be fine with it for a year or two, or a decade or two. We all have the ability to change our minds, and it doesn't make our previous experiences any less invalid. Yeah, that doggoned little toast-thingy that keeps popping up the conversations dragged me back. I'm really incapable of letting it go. - MiniMage, enterRUPPted

Hopefully, this thread would be helpful to people reading and understanding all takes to making a choice that is right for them. :) I'm all about self growth, re-examination, and learning from other people! - Mona Nomura

i seriously doubt there's ever been a guy version of this conversation -- "Any male who says he is bothered by being a 'friend with benefits' is lying to himself" -- possibly because most guys would agree. :-D while there are always individual differences, *generally* speaking, men and women are wired differently on this point. this difference was summed up by Woody Allen in "Love & Death." SONJA: Sex without love is an empty experience. BORIS: But as empty experiences go, it's one of the best. - Karim

thus this conversation has always gone. which leads me to believe that biological determinism, in this case, is *underrated* not *overrated* :-D - Karim

Karim, I doubt there's ever been a guy version of "women don't have souls," or "women are too delicate for discussions about politics," or "women do not have the mental capacities for education," or "women shouldn't own property," or "women should stay in the home and serve their men." Thus, your argument is meaningless to me. - MiniMage, enterRUPPted

Mini, not sure i understand your point. is it that "women don't have souls" and "it's ok to be promiscuous" are both *cultural* differences and not biologically-driven? maybe just my ignorance, but i'm just not aware of any cultures in which promiscuity was acceptable for women but shameful for men. even if there was one, it seems like the number of male-promiscuous cultures outnumber the ones that aren't to the point it suggests biology is the culprit. - Karim

tiffany, i guess i'd agree. my point is that you rarely see guys emotionally conflicted about FWB or promiscuity *as soon as* or *as often as* you see women conflicted about it -- not that men are *never* conflicted about it, nor that women *never* are in the mood for what Erica Jong called a "zipless fuck" in the 1970s :-D - Karim

I agree - orionstarr

Mona, I read your statement, disagreed with it, and then read the comments. Wow, FFers, pretty good job on a sensitive topic. But I don't get it when you deny being judgmental. "I stand by all my girlfriends who get into the FWB (for whatever reason they choose to) and am there when they need a shoulder." Except how could it be safe for one of your friends to come to you? After you've... more... - Daniel Dulitz

It's easier to give people what they want from me, when I understand where they are coming from. Because I know (or made up my mind to) what I know, my friends do not need me to disrupt their peace of minds and or screw with their reasonings behind their actions. I also have nothing to prove to myself or to them so I do not even attempt changing their minds, hence it helps me become a better friend to them. :) And Karim - I always appreciate your thoughtful, witty, and very wise comments. :) - Mona Nomura

Karim, what I'm saying is that people have used "women are different" for thousands of years to deny women this or that. It's just more of the same to claim that no woman can be happy with FWB, just because she's got an innie. - MiniMage, enterRUPPted

tiffany, I think you've pointed at the reason for the disagreement here: Surely there is some level of mutual affection and respect between romantic love on one extreme, and, on the other extreme, using someone else as a Kleenex to masturbate into. - Mitch Wagner

+1 MiniMage, Tiffany, and Mitch. - Anthony Citrano

wow 124 comments later and still no agreement :O now thats a shocker - Tony C (Unrated)

LOL Who said men that are promiscuous aren't viewed that way, too. Personally I never go after "players" because more often times then not, they are making up for something they are lacking and I am way out of their leagues. ;) And you guys talk as though we are in 1950 and not 2008. I respect, remember, and grateful of the history, but am not stuck in those times. - Mona Nomura

Mona *blush* thanks... :-D Mini, well, i'm not trying to deny women anything, i'm not even making a value judgement about whether men or women are "right" -- just saying that when you have this huge discrepancy in sexual attitudes that seems to transcend time and culture, the cause *might* be biological not cultural. just because people have used differences (real & imagined) to repress women doesn't mean the (real) differences don't exist or that pointing them out is tantamount to repression. :-D - Karim

Repression might not even be the point, or it might be repression, "Sorry, honey, you can't feel the way you believe you feel, because you're a woman. Whatever you believe about yourself is wrong." Yeah, that might actually be repression. I believe that FWB cannot work for most of us (talking both genders) most of the time, but I would not be so presumptious as to assume it is impossible for any subset of the population for at least a little while. Why the heck do I keep coming back to this? - MiniMage, enterRUPPted

I guess the assumption I have a problem with is the notion that biologically-driven is necessarily better. If we stuck to biological drives and didn't act on our higher functions, we wouldn't have civilization. - Victor Ganata

Because you feel so strongly and passionately about it, and I respect that Mage :) @Victor - yes, but take a look at civilization and the various tiers (for the lack of better term) of society and its people. What makes one "better" or "worse"? What makes one believe they are "better" or "worse". Ugh - this is a direction I do not want to go LOL - Mona Nomura

Victor, my assumption is *not* that biologically-driven differences are "better" than culturally-driven ones. in fact the culturally-driven ones are better because they are software, not hardware: a culture can revise or drop a belief that doesn't work. whereas if your hormones tend to make you believe something, that's *hardwired* into the culture. sure, a few enlightened souls might see past their programming :-D but that doesn't always get passed on to the next generation. - Karim

i guess i'm thinking of all the stuff i've read about how complex behaviors later in life -- like whether you're aggressive, or passive, whether you like to build forts or play with dolls, etc. -- is very often influenced by minuscule hormonal changes in the womb. while i'm willing to consider an argument that attitudes about promiscuity and FWB are culturally-generated, it seems more... more... - Karim

Mini, *my* point certainly isn't to repress anyone. don't want to be an apologist for Mona since she is more than capable of speaking for herself :-D - Karim

More than that, it's an oversimplification of biology to believe that just because you have two X chromosomes, you're going to behave a certain way. I could agree with "some", maybe even "most", but certainly not "all". Not everyone has the same hormones coursing through their blood at the same concentrations, and not all of them will respond to the hormones in the same way anyway. Any statement you make about an entire gender is not going to be true for 100% of the cases. - Victor Ganata

Victor, i agree with that. i've tried to qualify things by using phrases like "very often" so it's clear i'm not talking about something being true for 100% of anything. once you've spent some time looking up aneuploidy ("yikes! you can have *five* X chromosomes???") it's clear there is wonderful variation in sexual biology. - Karim

i guess i'm thinking that if women's feelings about FWB and promiscuity are *cultural*, then the men are not getting the same cultural programming. either our culture should instruct men to be just as monogamous and prudent sexually as women, or instruct women to be just as sexually profligate as men. granted there'd be a few people who won't get with the program, but you could probably eliminate most of the cultural difference and most of the age-old argument. - Karim

Karim, yeah, other than the fact that many (but not all) genotypic women can give birth while all genotypic men can't, there really isn't any other behavior that can be exclusively attributed to either gender. - Victor Ganata

if it's *not* cultural -- if being more prudent than promiscuous just comes along for the ride as part of the biological machinery of being a woman -- then there's no end to the difference, really... Sonja & Boris have the same conversation forever ;-) - Karim

Victor, yeah there's no behavior that can be *exclusively* attributed (as in 100%) to either gender, though you really don't need to get to 100% to say that IN GENERAL, girls like doing certain things that boys don't and vice versa. that is common sense. the question for me is whether you looking at cultural differences (that can be changed), or biological differences (that are hard-wired). - Karim

Karim, true, but then we get to the question of whether such a difference is biologically-driven or whether it's a social construct. This question will probably never be answered, but I'm just always wary of blanket statements that preclude the possibility of individual variation. - Victor Ganata

And THAT, Karim, is all I'm saying. One simply cannot truthfully say that 100% of women can't do FWB happily. I'm not saying it can't be true of 51-99%. And personally, I think that if there is a disparity between the percentages of men who can and women who can, it's a societal construct. Thousands of years of women being told that they can not behave the way men do has continued to be extremely effective, I believe. - MiniMage, enterRUPPted

The point is: make blanket statements and let people answer if they are or are not the exception. If you keep adding "but"s and "and"s, it gives people excuses to pinpoint blame elsewhere, instead of looking at themselves first. If you know you are the exception, why do you need to prove it? - Mona Nomura

Victor, i think you can address the question. it's hard but not impossible to find evidence of biological programming. you could possibly survey people with a sex-linked monosomy or triosomy, or people who had hormonal exposure in utero for their attitudes on FWB and promiscuity. or survey general population attitudes by level of hormone. much more easily, social scientists should be able to find evidence of cultural effects on attitudes toward promiscuity, if they exist. - Karim

Mage - I'm still really curious as to why you keep talking about repression and societal constructs of males and females. Karim already said he is not and I have stated numerous times I have not. I wish people would examine themselves, their situations, themselves, as well as biological factors to determine what is right for THEM. - Mona Nomura

the sad thing is that after years of research, the results would be published in the newspaper as "Women have greater negative attitude to promiscuity than men," and everyone would go "DUH! Why is Science always telling us things we already know?" lol - Karim

Hahahhahahhahahahaha!! +++++++++++++++ Karim! - Mona Nomura

I know at least 3 guys who were FWB with women, and wanted to actually have a real relationship with them, and the girl reminded them that, no, they agreed to just being FWB. Hanging out was fun, sex is great...but didn't want to move into "official' relationship territory. Are the guys also worth more than that? - Andru Edwards

Dru - that is a question they need to answer themselves. ;) - Mona Nomura

Mona, I missed the part where you said it was possible that some females exist who could possibly do the FWB thing quite happily for a while. I seem to have a really serious reading retention problem today. - MiniMage, enterRUPPted

It's somewhere in this thread or one of the other ones... this was a hot topic last night LOL - Mona Nomura

How come the guys have to answer it for themselves, but the women are all, by default, worth more than that?? :P - Andru Edwards

Dru LOL Because females are better than males, of course! KIDDING, FOLKS! - Mona Nomura

Andru, it's a good question! The cliche in pop culture is that it's almost always the woman who sobs to her friends about feeling like a piece of meat, who is left behind when she wants to cuddle, who insists on getting married, etc. and the guy who has the post-coital need to abruptly leave, etc. etc. it's almost certain that those cliched roles are reversed some of the time, and that it's sometimes a *guy* who might need to realize that he's "worth more than that." but i don't know how often. - Karim

Of course it goes both ways. But more often times than not, it is harder for females to... hold on, I already covered this. Need to go look for my comment so I can just copy and paste. - Mona Nomura

the one example of a male in pop culture along similar lines is "Alfie," where the protagonist is a promiscuous male. he slowly comes to realize he should have picked one and settled down. - Karim

No. It's about different methods we communicate. Most of the time, females cling because they really like the guy, thought there was something more (for one reason or another), and is hurt and or angry. And guys, more often times than not, give lame excuses like: "You deserve someone better." Stop that. That just gives false hope. If you tell her straight up: "I am sorry I hurt you, but... more... - Mona Nomura

Sorry but this sounds a lot like Hollywood crap and/or high school garbage. You see all the time in movies and TV shows, but it is really running that rampant? Those three guys I mentioned, that happened we were in our very late teens/early 20s, very immature age. Does this really happen a lot past, say, 21?! - Andru Edwards

YES. - Mona Nomura from IM

Mini, sorry, just seeing your last comment. I am certainly willing to consider any evidence that the difference between male and female promiscuity is cultural if you care to offer any :-) - Karim

fanofnomuristic - pb:

Karim, when I was in college, certain athletes would get together every semester and post a "freak list." It was a horrible thing for a female to be listed there. If a young woman'd had her way with a bunch of them, she made the list. Guys did not make the list. For the most part, this public shaming was not done to, uh, GENEROUS guys. You can't blame this on physiology. The message was... more... - MiniMage, enterRUPPted

Mage - I don't think that is culture, but more defense physiology or basically defense mechanisms when people feel threatened. - Mona Nomura from IM

In addition to Mona's other incredible qualities, apparently she is also telepathic :p - Neal "thePuck" Jansons

Mini, that's interesting! though i'm not quite letting go of the biological theory yet. i'm guessing you had an idea that promiscuity was bad *prior* to being shown the "freak list" and i'm wondering how/when it develops. does mom give you the "boys only want one thing" talk? do you get the idea from your friends? are you just born knowing it's wrong? stupid men want to know. :-D - Karim

All I'm asking is why is the normative situation considered superior to the non-normative situation? Why does being outside of the norm require assigning blame or rueful self-examination? It just seems like we're trying to take what is clearly a culturally constructed moral situation, and using vague claims of science to try to pretend that it's completely universal. - Victor Ganata

"clearly a culturally constructed moral situation" <--??? LOL Uh, no. - Mona Nomura

How is it not a culturally constructed moral situation, Mona? All I have seen is you saying that everyone really believes what you believe and that they are lying to themselves if they claim otherwise. Isn't such an accusation inherently disrespectful of another person's thoughts and feelings? How is this different than the Christians who all say that atheists REALLY know there is a god and that christianity is true but claim to be atheists so they can sin freely? - Neal "thePuck" Jansons from IM

I am just asking questions that are way below the surface. Why are you so upset Neal? - Mona Nomura

And couldn't the same kinds of accusations be made of homosexuals? Or of just about anything? Can't I just turn it around and say "Any woman who doesn't believe that they can have a sexual relationship with someone without a romantic one is just lying to themselves"? This is called the "Problem of Incorrigibility"...it is impossible to correct another's internal state. - Neal "thePuck" Jansons from IM

Because you are simply reproducing the same moralizing technique used by every other kind of bigot, but since it is about something you feel strongly about you assert it with no care. I was polyamorous, quite functionally, for 10 years, and my wife and I would not be together if not for having open relationships with other partners when we met. You are taking YOUR way and saying it is... more... - Neal "thePuck" Jansons from IM

Absolutes just don't work for me in most cases. For some women, FWB is a door mat type of scenario - for others, it might actually be their cup of tea. The spectrum of sexual preference is nearly infinite. - AJ Kohn

I'm sorry, Mona, that was rude of me. I need to take a break, I don't want to alienate anyone, especially you. - Neal "thePuck" Jansons from IM

No, it's ok Neal. I see where you are coming from and I am sorry I offended you. I said this up top, but I am going to paste it again: "The point is: make blanket statements and let people answer if they are or are not the exception. If you keep adding "but"s and "and"s, it gives people excuses to pinpoint blame elsewhere, instead of looking at themselves first. If you know you are the exception, why do you need to prove it? - You (edit | delete)" - Mona Nomura

And to add: "We (as society) are so hung up on equality, a lot of lines get blurred -- and the sooner we shift mindsets to celebrating (and appreciating!) differences instead of trying to prove we are "just as good or better", the sooner the lines will become invisible. This applies to other issues, too. i.e. race, culture, class, etc." - Mona Nomura

How about this? When I was 8, I was convinced by older kids that it was acceptable to indulge in some "show & tell" with another. The boy wasn't punished by his parents, but I was severely punished & made to feel like a rotten child ( mother was CRYING). Think this had to leave a lasting impression? Why didn't my chromosomes teach me that this wasn't right in the first place? I believe it's because it's a society thing based on early man's decision to make sure he had control of whose heirs his mate bore. - MiniMage, enterRUPPted

Mage - I am sorry nobody was there to protect and watch out for you. :( - Mona Nomura

Mini-mage...the reverse happened to me when I was 9-10. A game of "show me yours" with a bother-sister set of my friends from two streets over led to the little girl being treated like trash while her brother and I were dismissed with "boys will be boys" (ironically, when I was later experimenting with boys, I taught that same neighbor boy a thing or two about being boys ;)). I always... more... - Neal "thePuck" Jansons from IM

Thanks, Mona, but I've experienced worse and lived through it. :) The important thing is to note that I wasn't the first, nor will I be the last. We must not dismiss the ramifications of parents' having locked up their girls for thousands of years while letting the boys run wild. There might be a nature component to it, but I am betting on nurture. - MiniMage, enterRUPPted

Oh, and yes, Karim, I absolutely did get the "Don't let some little boy get you off into a corner," talk from my mother and the "Boys will bring you down," talk from my father. - MiniMage, enterRUPPted

I agree with nurture. I finally came to terms with the fact my parents were not around and I learned a lot of stuff the hard way -- experience, and watching those around me. That is why when someone said up there (I think it was Daniel?) that since I Tweeted the above statement, I must be a terrible, judgmental friend. But because of what I have been through, I am exactly the opposite;... more... - Mona Nomura

Mini, Neal -- thanks, those anecdotes are definitely ammo for the cultural difference camp. i'll have to think about this a bit more. roughly 5 years old to puberty is the "latency period" in psychoanalytic theory; i didn't think parents would instill any instruction on promiscuity during this *asexual* period. i certainly never got any, but i'm a boy so what do i know. lol thanks for the (scary, traumatic) peek into the mind of an 8 year old girl. :-D - Karim

@Mona .. what have you been through? - pb:

LOL I have seen anything and everything from top to bottom. And Mage, Neal, I too, thank you both for sharing your experiences. :) - Mona Nomura

NP, Mona, I think social media is actually therapy in a way, at least for me. My wife thinks that I feel more free to be me on the net, even though I am transparent about my identity. She (she's getting her Psy.D., so her opinion is informed) thinks my comfort here vs. my discomfort IRL is about the mode of interaction and my PTSD (I, too, had a seriously screwed childhood). - Neal "thePuck" Jansons from IM

And thanks Mage and everyone else who shares with me in that same spirit of transparency. - Neal "thePuck" Jansons from IM

I have no idea what to say now, so forgive me for not saying much other than I am delighted to have so many fluff-less discussions on FriendFeed. I try to operate on the principle that every experience must shape me, and that I must determine how. - MiniMage, enterRUPPted

That's why I love FriendFeed (in particular) so much. We are able to openly exchange our experiences and thoughts and though we may disagree, at least we still respect each other. That's the kind of friendships I have in real life too, so I am usually weary (or terrified) of other social platforms LOL - Mona Nomura

Indeed. FF is different. Anyone who still think the internet isn't "real" or that "internet relationships are not real" (apologies to MC Lars, Bay Area REPRESENT) need to come to FF and see the depth of some of the interactions. - Neal "thePuck" Jansons from IM

@Mona :] ... but have you seen the yellow elephant?? .....// and, from what you seen, what did you like the best? - pb:

I'm interested in the exchange between Neal ("same language as every other kind of bigot") and Mona ("just asking questions that are way below the surface"). Mona, I felt angry because the typical mode of sexual moralism is to tell people that they're lying to themselves. When I was a child, trusted people told me that I was lying to myself about a lot of things and I believed them,... more... - Daniel Dulitz

+1 Daniel - Chris Charabaruk

+1000 Mona. - Valley

Without determining whether it is cultural or ingrained, and qualifying that this is far from universal, a man avoids commitment because he thinks he might be able to do better, while a woman seeks commitment because she thinks he may be right. :-) This has been an interesting discussion, and I'm not persuaded that we've really solved anything. Those who think women who are ok with FWB... more... - Alan Chamberlain

all i found was a pull quote from Kinsey, "There seems to be no question but that the human male would be promiscuous in his choice of sexual partners throughout the whole of his life if there were no social restrictions... The human female is much less interested in a variety of partners." The fact that he qualifies *human* (and not American, Western, European, Modern, etc.) male and... more... - Karim

Karim, please name one human society that doesn't treat females differently. In some African societies, they mutilate girls to keep them chaste and restricted to one man (they make sure that sex isn't pleasant for them). In China, single mothers are treated like outcasts. I just read that in India, girls have to be home by dark. Do boys get burqas? I just read that in India, girls have... more... - MiniMage, enterRUPPted

just saying all human societies treat women "differently" from men isn't saying much. it just implies that men and women *are* different, which they are. :-) what you seem to be implying is that women are always treated *worse* than men in all societies. is that what you mean? i am not a social scientist, but i didn't think that was strictly true, given the existence of... more... - Karim

and just to speculate wildly, i'd say some cultures demonize "temptresses" because men are such easy marks. lol it is widely believed that it takes more effort for men to be celibate than women, and women are the ones holding back, sexually. (whether this is true is another question.) sometimes the same phenomenon occurs in those quitting any addiction. they demonize the thing they're addicted to (cigarette, drink, woman) rather than themselves for being so weak. [reaches for cigarette & glass of gin] - Karim

I'm not saying women are always treated worse. Remember, I hate when people say what's true of some/most is true of all. In fact, I remember reading that there were some aboriginal cultures where sexual experimentation was encouraged and expected of both girls and boys before marriage. Anyway, I wonder what Sarah Hrdy would say today: http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette... - MiniMage, enterRUPPted

it's the biological aspect of the divide in (traditional, common) male/female sexual attitudes that makes it so particularly depressing to me. - edythe

Love is like a game...no way love is like a heaven, so hot - Yüksel AYDIN

Wow - how did you find this post?! LOL - Mona Nomura from IM

know if that anit true what is the world coming too. In females self value is so important because most girls have none and that is plan stupided and it makes me so mad so i love this post thank u - Raecheal

Joel Postman

For a limited time only, my free e-book is being offered for $39.95.

November 19, 2009 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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Joel Postman

Earn less than $1 for a 300-word article. I'm sorry, but that's pathetic. http://jobs.articleslash.net/jobs_50...

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Embarrassing picture meme.

June 13, 2009 - Comment - Like - Share

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Honestly. What am I going to do with *two* knives? O_o - Derrick

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The same thing only...in smaller pieces? - Hookuh Tinypants

The more to butter with, my dear. - Josh Haley

Argg! - Eric

Why have we not partied together?! I'm distressed! - Hookuh Tinypants

I know this might be stating the obvious, but I am duh-RUNK in this photo. The time is drawing nigh, Amanda. ;) - Derrick

Nigh is not getting here fast enough! *cries* - Hookuh Tinypants

Omg Derrick I LOVE THIS HAHA!! - Mona Nomura

stabbity - Pete D

lookin' good! - Thomas Hawk

Danger at the Gay Gangsta Birthday Bash! - Moody (Sweet FA 4 Life)

Don't you need two knives for the drumming? :-) - Ladyepiphanybug

Bump for good times. - Mark Krynsky

Joel Postman

Found an article ripped off http://paidpublishing.com/my-almo... and a bogus @SocialCorp presentation on SlideShare http://www.slideshare.net/tincuy... No respect for copyright.

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Flickchart to Flickchart's feed, Nathan Chase, Jeremy Thompson, Sue Radd, Parth Awasthi, David Cook, Glenn Slaven, Michael W. May, Louis Gray

Since so many of you had taken it upon yourselves to share those really tough matchups, we created a way for you to share them directly to FriendFeed from within Flickchart! Thanks to all of you for inspiring this new feature!

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Here are some of the inspirational posts: http://friendfeed.com/logical... - http://friendfeed.com/joffi... - http://friendfeed.com/jhuebel... - http://friendfeed.com/sueradd... - http://friendfeed.com/akiva... - http://friendfeed.com/haggis... - http://friendfeed.com/parthaw... - http://friendfeed.com/skizzli... - http://friendfeed.com/dalziel... - Flickchart

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If you can add in the ability to include initial comment, like the bookmark does, that would rock. But I love the choice to share, and it looks great in the feed :) - Michael W. May

@Michael - good idea - we'll see about working that into a future build. Thanks! - Nathan Chase

Great feature and I'll second MWM's comment. - Parth Awasthi

Michael: +1, Nathan: This is simply great! - Mahendra (SkepticGeek)

Johnny

How's it going, Boss?........ *kicks in door*... *pimp-slaps Tad to the ground*... It's like a shammy, it's like a towel, it's like a sponge.

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Who says we don't already? - Hookuh Tinypants

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*Lindsay comes out of nowhere.* *Johnny is suddenly disarmed and smashed into the floor.* *Tad gets up, brushes off and grabs shotgun again.* - iTad

Dammit Haggis, that's exactly what I was thinking! - caj needs a haircut

Since you wanna play that game :P ... *Haley comes busting through the window, SWAT style*... *Throws ninja stars to disarm Tad and Lindsay, pinning them against the wall*... *get to my feet, Josh throws me a pool cue*... *points at each other, all cool like*... Let's do this thing... *cues theme from Kill Bill*... Yaaaaaarrrrrghhhhhhh - Johnny

*Josh goes to his corner to edit the podcast* - Josh Haley

*Johnny feels now strangely outnumbered thanks to Josh* - Johnny

*Tilde, the golden retriever, comes to the rescue and licks the two intruders to death* - iTad

*Johnny throws a blaze of disabling LOLcats* - Johnny

*From around the corner, it's KAELIN, KILLER COCKATOO* - iTad

*Josh downloads the iPhone app 'Remote Detonator' and installs it, waiting for the signal* - Josh Haley

*Josh flirts with COCKATOO. It was his last mistake* - Josh Haley

*drops pants* - Johnny

You gettin' this, camera guy? We can't do this all day! - Akiva

*Josh musters up the will to crawl across the bloodied floor where his iPhone was strewn.* - Josh Haley

*runs for the door before Josh detonates... finds it hard with his pants around his ankles* - Johnny

*everyone stops to laugh at how Johnny looks like a Japanese lady in a tight kimono trying to run out of a house on fire* - Josh Haley

*activates Remote Unactivator* on his iPod Touch - iTad

*MacGruber motions to Josh to throw him some bubble gum and duct tape* - Josh Haley

*Has made it halfway to the door... also is now skilled at performing the Tea Ceremony Sadō, apparently* - Johnny

*MacGruber grabs a flaming LOLcat, douses it, then duct tapes the iPhone to its back. Presently he lobs the cat directly at Kaelin while chewing his newly aquired bubble gum.* - Josh Haley

*Johnny has finally fallen and he can't get up* - Johnny

*Johnny and Josh jump dramtically out the door, somehow in slow motion* - Josh Haley

*Kaelin shrugs off exploding LOCat and emits a mind-shattering scream, reducing Worthington's pants to ash* - iTad

*After giggling at the thought of Tad removing his pants, Johnny jumps Totally Rad Show style out with Josh*......... So that's 8 shamwows for 19.95. it comes with a ten year warrenty, here's how to ordeeeeeeeeeer... - Johnny

*Josh and John land in the booby-trapped prickly pear cactus. Move back 3 spaces* - iTad

*A huge plastic cage falls on our doomed heroes. A voice booms from the sky: "MOUSE TRAP!"* - Josh Haley

*A quick Wikipedia search reveals that the cage often got stuck on the barbed pole partway down, and by chance, it does so*... *Johnny and Josh run across the street, car jack the car from Monopoly and drive that bitch to Mexico*..... call 18009517100 thats 18009517100 call now!!! - Johnny

*TAKE CREDITS* - Josh Haley

The producers wish to advise that no animals or old Japanese ladies were harmed in the filming... - Johnny

For you new Friend Feeders, Feed Johnny Worthington very carefully and slowly. Also count your fingers when you are done. - Brent - Yes I am

oohh, this is a hugely entertaining thing to greet me on FF this morning. :) Thank you - Bette Cooper

Bec Rowe @d0tski

The first of many...

July 5, 2009 from email - Comment - Like - Share

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Here I am, bald!!! - Bec Rowe @d0tski from email

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Gorgeous! - Beau Liening

Beautiful! - Shannon - GlassMistress

Bec, you look awesome! - Janet-The Bottley Crue

Lovely, Bec. We salute you. :) - Derrick

:)))) - Michelle M

/bows down... - TINY REPTILIAN PYROMANIAC

Hot. - Derek Coward

AWESOME - you rock! - BEX

I've got that haircut... very functional. Looks good on you! - Vince DeGeorge

Nothing compares...nothing compares....too you.... - Rah-PM 2012

Oh Rah, I was waiting for that :) I <3 Sinead. - Bec Rowe @d0tski

Bec, you're beautiful and it's wonderful that you did that to support your Mom. *wipes tears from eyes* - Mol, FF Music Lover

You look amazing! Way to go. :) - LB shining

Back in my day, kids might say that this is "punk rawk". Indeed it is. - Mike Nayyar

Wow! It's so great that you're doing this for your mom! And you look great! - ha3rvey (Hugs 50% off!)

Very cool that you're doing this. And you look wonderful bald! - Tamara

You go girl! And go mom! - Josh Haley from iPhone

Dang, you carry bald well! Looks great! - Sue Radd

You make me think of that hot chick from the first Star Trek movie. And I mean that as a compliment. :) - caj needs a haircut

Bec you are radiant. - Mona Nomura

*smile* - Michael W. May

Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)

I've got Moxie! And Harold had Boylan's

July 5, 2009 - Comment - Like - Share

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These are the pops that we bought today at Locally Grown Gardens market. Moxie is a really old brand (since 1884) and the flavor is hard to describe... you'll have to try it. - Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)

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I thought Moxie was a regional soda? Michigan? - Sue Radd

Moxie is awesome! - Michael McKean

They had the cool stuff in this market. So small and unassuming alongside the Monon. The internet helped me realize I was missing out on something. They play reggae in there. Such a nice little corner. I felt the same way when I found out about it, Dave. I was like, so *that's* what that little place is? - Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)

Harold's got the link here: http://friendfeed.com/avandos... - Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)

Sue, I think they may have imported the Moxie to Indiana from Michigan. We get Vernor's ginger soda here, too, and I've heard that that one is also from Michigan. Though the Moxie bottle says it was bottled in Atlanta by Monarch. - Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)

Moxie is very popular in New England. I used to have a friend that would bring it back from trips to New Hampshire. - Michael McKean

I take that back, then. Maybe it's not from Michigan. - Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)

Myrna to Myrna's feed, Foods

Broiled Salmon with Honey-Mustard-Almond Topping & salad of mixed lettuces and crumbled bleu cheese and raisins. - http://www.barefootkitchenwitch.com/the_bar...

July 5, 2009 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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Now this would be food of the gods :), love Salmon :) - lyallbaynz

Myrna to Myrna's feed, Foods

lobster claw, lobster cake, lobster salad and arugula - http://www.barefootkitchenwitch.com/the_bar...

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Lobster claw, lobster cake, and lobster salad? Sounds like something out of Monty Python. Lovely lobster, wonderful lobster... - John E. Bredehoft

Joe The Sausage to Joe's feed, Bitchfest

sometimes my own sudden reactions to certain people and situations i encounter give me a really nasty wake-up. "WTF? why did that make me feel this way? at my core, do i not actually believe what i tell myself i believe? what the Hell is wrong with me?!" very disorienting and disconcerting.

July 5, 2009 - Comment - Like - Share

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Bohemian Rhapsody - Queen (Hard Rock) - http://www.rhapsody.com/goto...

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Bohemian Rhapsody - Queen (Hard Rock) - Shevonne

Bohemian Rhapsody - Queen (Hard Rock the House) - RAPatton

Bohemian Rhapsody - Queen (Hard Not To Like) - Sue Radd

Joel Postman

http://twitpic.com/9am8z - Vintage Sears adding machine with woodgrain trim = raw computing power

July 4, 2009 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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i have one of those sitting in a closet. still works and is VERY LOUD. - Joe The Sausage

Where's the button that says, "Adjust for Inflation"? - Sue Radd

Jordan Hofker

Puppy on my lap? Check. Ice cream in a bowl served by my wife? Check. Good movie on TV? Check. Friendfeed loaded on my laptop? Check. I'm living the dream, folks. Living. the. dream. ;-)

July 4, 2009 - Comment - Like - Share

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lol, you didn't head out to Holmes Lake or anything to watch pretty explosives? - Jordan Hofker

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Larry the Cable Guy > Cool explosives at the lake? That's a bunch of crap! I'll be selling my car at some point probably in the next year if that helps. :-) - Jordan Hofker

This car would not be that one I was trying to sell before. :-) I drive an '87 Buick. I'll let you know when I'm selling it I guess? - Jordan Hofker

Hi, I was getting drunk with two other married couples instead of commenting. Sorry. - Stolee

Yeah, that doesn't sound half bad. Did you play with explosives, too? - Jordan Hofker

*bakes some cookies to go with Jordan's ice cream* - Sparky, lurking

No explosives, but lots of beer and wine. And catch-phrase. - Stolee

Digital and keeps score. A very useful feature when alcohol is involved. - Stolee

Katy S to Katy's feed, Bitchfest

I was trying to be nice by asking people what beverages they'd like to have at the July 4th event. I have no problem picking up different varieties of soda or beer. However, dear little brother, asking me to squeeze lemons so that you can have homemade lemonade is pushing it.

June 30, 2009 - Comment - Like - Share

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ROFL - Scoble, Alex Scoble

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That reminds me, I need to call my sister . . . . . - Chris Rogers

I'm already in charge of this much food prep - http://harmoniasnecklace.blogspot.com/2009... - so you can imagine how I feel about this additional request. His contribution - nada. I should probably note that my sister is also in charge of NOTHING for this little event, so it isn't necessarily a gendered thing. I'm good with food so I end up taking care of most of it. On the plus side, this means I have significant control over the menu. - Katy S

I like to say he has YCOM Syndrome - Youngest Child Only Male. He's normally ok, but when it comes to things like this he doesn't help out much. He is good about helping with things that require muscle, though. - Katy S

HA, Katy! - Ayşe E.

I bought the lemons. I will be squeezing two cups of juice out of them for 1 gallon of lemonade. I will then offer the lemonade to the niece and nephews who will be arriving several hours before my dear little brother. I hope they drink it all. - Katy S

Time to start squeezing the lemons of the damned. - Katy S

@Katy: in my wife's family they call this Little Emperor Syndrome. my brother-in-law hates this. :) - Joe The Sausage

It's more like I end up screaming. I just finished (10 lemons). I was thinking that he is the damned and that they are his lemons. Oh well, now comes the easy part - mixing it all up. - Katy S

BYOL - Bring Your Own Lemons :-) - Todd Hoff

Bob Morris (polizeros)

Word: Can the media SHUT UP ABOUT MICHAEL JACKSON and start covering North Korea’s July 4th plans to laun.. http://polizeros.com/2009...

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You could have the insight of Thomas Jefferson himself. Misspell the President's name and I will avoid your post like it's herpes.

June 30, 2009 - Comment - Like - Share

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What have you got against herpes? - Sparky, lurking

Joey Gibson

Suicidal Tendencies – Institutionalized - http://www.last.fm/music...

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anna sauce

Random fact: my Sports Basement visit on Sunday resulted in no standing tire pump. Why? They sold 30 of them in 1 day. I attribute this to record heat in SF and a warning that the next week would be "safe the air" days, meaning, everyone bikes to work. Still, seems odd.

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Love Sports Basement. - Sue Radd

Yeah Sue, I have a t-shirt and it gets a lot of thumbs up from people when I wear it! Funny. - anna sauce

Bitchfest: AJ Kohn

Announcing that you're leaving a social network is essentially like telling the staff at Pizza Hut that you're not coming back and instead are going to Papa John's.

June 26, 2009 - Comment - Like - Share

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"Your pepperoni here sucks and makes me burp, so I'm not coming back. Don't try to stop me! Really! This is your last chance! I'll be across the street at the Papa John's. *closes door and re-opens* This is for good you know. I'm not coming back because this place sucks! Okay? Got that. Nothing you can say will stop me! *walks out and taps on glass window - faintly you can hear* I'm getting in my car now - really, this is it. Even if you run out now I'm not coming back." - AJ Kohn

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Just. Go. - Derrick

@Derrick: Exactly! - AJ Kohn

Haha - Rodfather

This strongly reminds me of Winer crying the last few years now off and on and off and on again re: Twitter. "Acknowledge me or I'm leaving... Really, I'll do it! I swear! OK, one more chance! Don't make me do this! You'll regret losing me! I've done so much for you even though you never asked! You'll regret this! I'm going! Soon! Here I go! Eventually!"... I don't think any (typical) social network exists for fellating its users or otherwise stroking their massive(ly distorted) egos. As stated, Just. Go. - abacab

you obviously haven't been party to a message board where this person was a mod or admin. :P - Joe The Sausage

Right on AJ. Or kind of like telling that Pizza Hut store owner that you're going to the Pizza Hut 3 miles away. - Mike Reynolds

Oh god, the message board I admin for has like five of these people. And it's like they take turns during the year being the Drama Queen of the Week, posting threads threatening to leave and telling us how much the board sucks and how we all suck. BUT THEY'RE STILL THERE. *headdesk* - Hookuh Tinypants

Amanda - your solution is only a banhammer away. - Sparky, lurking

I think it's more like announcing it to the patrons of the Pizza Hut. - ·[▪_▪]·

@Sparky, yeah, but banning people like that is just way too excessive an action. We reserve banning for really awful offenses. Banning for being a whiny brat just makes us look petty, not them. Besides, they're pretty damn entertaining, if I do say so myself. :D (we've gotten to a point where we just mock the shit out of them anytime one of those "Goodbye!" threads appear) - Hookuh Tinypants

I don't like either Pizza Hut or Papa Johns. - Ian May

I really do like both Pizza Hut and Papa Johns. - Jannifer @wordsforliving

I went to a local Pizziera last evening, which makes home-made pizza from local produce. It's really good, and makes me like the greasy gunk chain pizza joints even less - Ian May

Ian - I do the same thing. That is, I go to the local restaurant with good pizza. I don't know if they're using local produce, meats, etc., but their pizza is much better than the chain stores. - Katy S

The one I had last evening was Pork Lion with Arula. It was really yummy. Here's a pic: http://www.flickr.com/photos... - Ian May

Joel Postman

If 500 new followers a day is too few for you, you're probably gaming the system and the limit is aimed at YOU

June 29, 2009 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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Joe "Brrzzzzzzt" Pierce

The secret to being smarter than you are, or at least appearing smarter than you are is surrounding yourself with people smarter than you estimate yourself to be. This is why I love FF. It lets me do that!

June 29, 2009 - Comment - Like - Share

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Well you've failed with me because, "I'm smarter than my brain." Actual quote from what I was thankful for in 4th grade. - Jimminy, CoG of FF

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Brains are overrated! - Joe "Brrzzzzzzt" Pierce

But I'm not a stripper, Joe. I need brains for stuff sort of like a zombie. - Jimminy, CoG of FF

Pfft, just move to LA and start optioning remakes. I hear that nobody has tried to remake Pulp Fiction yet! - Joe "Brrzzzzzzt" Pierce

Give 'em time, Joe. They're working on remaking '70s movies at the moment. They'll get to Pulp Fiction soon enough. - Jandy

70s? They Live is from 1988! - Joe "Brrzzzzzzt" Pierce

I was so flabbergasted I forgot to say what movie was from 88 at first. - Joe "Brrzzzzzzt" Pierce

So they may get to Pulp Fiction even sooner than I thought! :D - Jandy

2014 - "There Will Be Pulp" - Jimminy, CoG of FF

It'll be the movie that revives both Emma Watson and Zac Efron's careers. Just you wait until you see Zac trippin' on the herion, and Emma overdosing. Boreanaz may take on Butch. - Joe "Brrzzzzzzt" Pierce

Silly James. Your sum IS greater than your parts, even the brain part. :) - MiniMage, enterRUPPted

MiniMage: The saddest part of that is that my brain came up with it and my body wrote it down. - Jimminy, CoG of FF

Joe, are you suggesting that the male lead of "High School Musical" take that the same role in the film, that the male lead of "Grease" took. That would be to obvious and, thus, would never work. - Jimminy, CoG of FF

except for the part where Grease is watchable. - Joe "Brrzzzzzzt" Pierce

But ok fine, we'll replace Zac Effron with the devil himself Shia LaBeouf - Joe "Brrzzzzzzt" Pierce

Justin Long as Vincent. - Jimminy, CoG of FF

James, it seems like an exemplary display of teamwork to me! I think I'm drunk on ice cream. - MiniMage, enterRUPPted

How about Terrence Howard as Jules? I'm trying to think of someone with a lot of acting talent and is a relatively decently known name. - Joe "Brrzzzzzzt" Pierce

I'll agree with you on Terrence Howard, be great to fill the role. - Jimminy, CoG of FF

I'm not so sure I really do like David Boreanaz as Butch, any suggestions? - Joe "Brrzzzzzzt" Pierce

Shia LaBeouf as recommended by Sean for the role of Butch. - Jimminy, CoG of FF

The only way to be smarter than you are is not be yourself. In a past life, as I recall, mushrooms helped. :) - JCunwired

JC, I dont' think I was on anything at the time I was 8. - Jimminy, CoG of FF

If I'm involved int he movie, and Shia is involved in the movie Shia has to be someone who is going to get killed dead. Shia could be Zed maybe. - Joe "Brrzzzzzzt" Pierce

In a past life I was royalty. - Joe "Brrzzzzzzt" Pierce

Or we could just have a Geriatric Pulp and use the same cast. - Jimminy, CoG of FF

o.O Our catch will be we reunite the "surviving" members to sit around an tell the stories to each other! I totally didn't misspell "surviving" the firs time. - Joe "Brrzzzzzzt" Pierce

LOL that would be great. Oh I just realized 2014 will be the 20th Anniversary - Jimminy, CoG of FF

Maybe it will just have a re-release to Theaters, which would be awesome. - Jimminy, CoG of FF

That will be the lead in for our new uber awesome nothing could go wrong version. - Joe "Brrzzzzzzt" Pierce

Joe, the movie would be horrible if nothing went wrong, you lose every plot from the movie if something doesn't get effed along the way. It would be pretty interesting Pulp Fact, nothing actually goes wrong. - Jimminy, CoG of FF

And somewhere along the lines between me and yourself, we managed to derail this topic. - Jimminy, CoG of FF

We are in charge of this thing, if we don't call it awesome no one will go see it. Uwe Boll sells tickets because he lies to the audience about his greatness. - Joe "Brrzzzzzzt" Pierce

Here is what I have so far. Justin Long as Vincent Vega, Terrence Howard as Jules Winnfield, Alan Tudyk as Ringo, Eliza Dushku as Yolanda, James Kyson Lee as Lance, Rober Downy Jr. as Butch, Samuel L Jackson as Marsellus Wallace, Wyatt Cenac as Marvin, Maribel Verdú as Fabienne, Maggie Gyllenhaal as Jody, Emma Watson as Mia Wallace - Joe "Brrzzzzzzt" Pierce

tossed in a coupla curve balls. - Joe "Brrzzzzzzt" Pierce

Ooh, I'll see any movie with Alan Tudyk, Eliza Dushku, Robert Downey Jr., OR Maggie Gyllenhaal. All of them together? Instant classic. - Jandy

OMG, Joe that is the perfect cast. - Jimminy, CoG of FF

We need to get Tarantino's ass on the phone stat! Also I didn't mention it before but the moment you said Samuel L. Jackson as Marsellus Wallace I could think of no one else. It just makes perfect sense. - Joe "Brrzzzzzzt" Pierce

Jandy, my next step is to develop a spinoff/prequel of Ringo (Tudyk) and Yolanda (Dushku)'s exploits pre-Jules incident? You in? - Joe "Brrzzzzzzt" Pierce

Indeed, he'd probably get pissed, because he's all about classics. We need to write a similar script and use this cast. - Jimminy, CoG of FF

I guess our main option is to call Tarantino and wait for him to say, "What?" - Jimminy, CoG of FF

Check out the brain on Joe! - TINY REPTILIAN PYROMANIAC

Its all how we spin it. We won't call it a remake, or a re imagining. We'll call it an old school, grindhouse style movie ripoff. He'll go for that. - Joe "Brrzzzzzzt" Pierce

He may be all about classics, but he's also all about homaging/referencing/pastiching/ripping off the classics. So all you need to do is...damn it, what Joe just said. He types more faster. - Jandy

Now I really want to see this film. - Jimminy, CoG of FF

One way or the other it would be Legendary! ..Oh snap I just realized we need a name for Buddy holly, the waiter. NPH!! - Joe "Brrzzzzzzt" Pierce

*remake bump* I really want to see this film. - Jimminy, CoG of FF

Chris Charabaruk

Why does the media pass off skanky as sexy? :(

June 29, 2009 - Comment - Like - Share

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because we have to make lady gaga rich somehow - mjc

Derrick

Fishbone, Living Colour, Tracy Chapman, MeShell Ndegeocello, TV on the Radio, Terrence Trent D'Arby, Tricky, etc. Where's their BET?

June 28, 2009 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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Nielsen Media Research presents BET not to your taste? *smirk* - Michael W. May

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Thank you, Derrick. - Fikisha from BuddyFeed

In heaven - TINY REPTILIAN PYROMANIAC

it's a little late for most of the artists you listed, D. but yeah, I've had this discussion for over a decade. - jbrotherlove

j, I know. There's a bunch of music out there floating out in the ether that I'm not even privy to because I don't even know how to find them. - Derrick

Bad Brains - Jason

1UP jmorton! <3 - Derrick

MeShell is that business. DC represent!!! Man ... so many songs ... - Amani

Thee Emergency http://www.theeemergency.com/ - Michael W. May

OMG I loved Fishbone, Living colour, and Bad Brains. Too much emphasis on hip hop and rap, not enough emphasis on MUSIC IMHO. - Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ

BET? You mean Barely Entertaining Television? Wrong demographic. - ha3rvey (Hugs 50% off!)

Nick Starr

Thank you everyone for your kind words in the past 24 hours. Again I apologize for upsetting everyone.

June 28, 2009 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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