Once again the result of going to Chris's site is to cause Firefox to download tflash.php, which upon being downloaded, causes Dreamweaver to launch without asking (that is weird) to edit the file tflash.php, which is a bunch of un-readable characters. It's not the "watching Chris on live video" experience most others apparently have.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
Only $300! Supplies are limited! Buy now!
- Louis Gray
B. I think A has too much of an "optical illusion" appearance and I'm not sure what I'm looking at. I agree with Akiva on the font, though. I don't like it.
- Rochelle
I agree about the font. And while I would rather look at A, I don't think you really see the anvil when it stands alone. Not sure about the circle in general, but love the strength of the anvil. Maybe just a dark blue anvil with several small lines emminating from the tip, like it was just struck, somewhat reminiscent of an "idea" light bulb.
- SAM
from iPhone
Or, maybe a black anvil with a yellow glowing tip. Depending on the various applications you need it for?
- SAM
from iPhone
A. It suggests change. And, yes, that typeface is getting very overused. (Note: a font, strictly speaking, would refer to the size, weight and style as well as the typeface. I don't think any of us thinks changing those attributes would render the typeface any less cliched at this point. I realize we buy typefaces as something called 'font software,' but when we're critiquing design I figure we might as well be clear on the terms.)
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
from iPhone
When I said "font" in my comment, I meant the typeface as well as the size, weight, style, etc.
- Rochelle
Another way I sometimes like to communicate change is with a gradient - maybe fom the blue to white. You could lose the circle and give the anvil shape a little bit more definition, shade it with a gradient and let it stand by itself - or keep the circle, keep the anvil solid and let it stamp (deboss) change into a gradient fill in the circle. The gradient could actually be a pattern of lines or dots of some sort, to satisfy the requirement that the mark work in one color.
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
from iPhone
A IMO is actually painful look at. On B, I don't care for the way the anvil drops off suddenly on the top left, and its left edge is too pointy
- Terris Linenbach
Neither. The "C" is too obvious and looks like the Cubs. The anvil in A looks better than B though. Typeface kinda busy but OK.
- Josh Haley
Of course, Rochelle . . . Most people usually just mean the typeface, and I'm singlehandedly trying to drag us all back to the nomenclature of the 80s. ;-) From my phone
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
from email
B. It's nice and simple, easily taken in at a glance. A makes me wonder what I'm looking at for a second. Also makes me think CC, when if anything it should be CF.
- Tanath
B is simple and easily understandable than A.
- Süha Yunus Erol
Wow... It's very interesting comments. I am flattered that you all took time to weigh in. I will rework and resubmit.
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
@Dawn, @guruvan, @Micah, @Rochelle, @Mary, @Suha - I have received several comments that "A" seems to be busy and have more action, which seems to influence the "like/dislike" response received. "B" is much more stable, more recognizable, and could be construed as "boring" to some. I have a few more ideas, but overall, I do want it to be instantly recognizable when someone sees it as...
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- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
@Josh - I knew it looked like some sports team logo but I couldn't figure out which one! <doh>. That was bugging me, so thanks for pointing out what was strolling along the back of my brain-housing.
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
@Akiva, @Mary, @Rochelle - Typeface was a trial, so thank you for the comments. I'm trying to find something simple but stylized. What typefaces might you recommend? I am looking for clean, crisp, but with a professionally, techie-edge.
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
@Mary - I like where you are headed with your ideas of gradients to illustrate change. This is hard concept to convey visually. My earlier experiments with gradients, bevels, embossing were miserably received. To this point, the other consideration is that I must be able to use as an avatar, as a banner on my website, and on letterhead in correspondence. To this end, the image needs to...
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- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
Thanks! Re typefaces - fontshop.com has an area called 'alternatives to Popular Typefaces,' which might turn up some fresh-looking sanserifs. Agenda and Meta are strong possibilities, IMHO - maybe also some of the more grotesque families, as well. I'm also stll a big fan of Neutraface from House industries. Of course, those are old-school type houses, meaning the fonts themselves aren't...
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- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
from iPhone
Re gradients - the need for a logo to work as an avatar or a favicon is definitely an issue. I often desgn the avatar and especially the favicon sepately for just that reason, because while you want your real logo to work in black and white down to about a half-inch, the adjustments you have to make for a 16 x 16 favicon can easily pull your whole logo out of balance at bigger sizes....
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- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
from iPhone
Just signed up around a week ago with livefyre. Have been more in listening mode but so far am really enjoying being able to really follow the live discussions.
- Jennifer Aderhold
You mean @replies are highlighted in blue? *mind blown*
- Johnny Worthington
Shiny! Must be better. Do they have a recommended users list? Can we get on?
- Chris Baskind
I thought that was cliqset? Only like 5 days ago
- Matthew DeVries
In biology, we refer to that colorscheme as "aposomatic". It means it's poisonous and will kill you if you consume it. Unless of course it's practicing Muelerian mimicry, where it pretends to be a poisonous thing, when in fact it's tasty and nutritious, like the Viceroy butterfly to the vomit inducing Monarch.
- Matthew DeVries
And oh my Bob in heaven...they are totally committed to this "fire" theme. It's like a restaurant that goes all the way to the hilt, calling bathrooms "Buckaroos and Daisies" "Maties and Wenches" etc.
- Matthew DeVries
And now I have that stupid Billy Joel song in my head... DAMN YOU SCOBLE
- Johnny Worthington
Well on the plus side, Livefyre allows you to report a user for things like "hyperbole"
- Eric Logan
Wow. That's ugly. I can't get beyond the ugly.
- Yolanda
I definitely am stoked to see live conversations, organized, too -- but I lasted about 25 seconds on the site
- Christopher Galtenberg
Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh I get it now... It's threaded Twitter conversations... except without using Twitter kinda... aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah... I wonder if it has the same 'noise problem' as FriendFeed does...
- Johnny Worthington
Looks like the type of site where the comments are going to be those of the YouTube variety.
- Yolanda
No time/date stamps, which made me a little confused, until I realized the comments were apparently last --> first
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
UGLY! No time stamps, can only see one conversation at at time. It think I'll stay here thank-you-very-much!
- Jeff P. Henderson
There are currently no fyres about sex. This site is either fake or not of this Internet.
- Andy Bakun
Doesn't really compare to Friendfeed as one of the main features of FF is still that it is an aggregator of all things. But there are some nice ideas in there. Will definitely have a look at it again over the coming weeks, hoping they will clean up the interface a bit. To little screen estate for the actual conversation and too much clutter around it.
- Mike Hellers
FriendFeed Comment is the new Yelp Talk. This tweet is useless without screenshots.
- Tim Jones
Is this a joke? It should be called HeadAyche.
- phil baumann
It's ugly yes, but come on guys, say something new. The ability to break sub-conversations out is interesting. They should look at creating new rooms in IRC.
- Kartik Agaram
Also, it seems like the conversations are more like IMs between a small number of individuals, seems like a lot of noise and not much true value... Could just be the quality of individuals participating of course... Something to watch, much like Google Wave in 2010
- Chris Reichow
I remember when everyone thought FriendFeed was ugly.
- Robert Scoble
Like Friendfeed, Livefyre allows people to join in conversations, but I don't see how it's better organized. I like the idea of kicking somebody off the thread if he/she gets too unruly, but I'm afraid someone might abuse it in the future and the result would be a thread that only the originator of the thread would like. I would rather have haters on a thread to show a semblance of balance. Livefyre's a great tool and hope to see more improvements in the future.
- Robert Sanchez Jr
It's better organized because you can find conversations by tags. So I can see only tech conversations. Here on FriendFeed I see all sorts of conversations mixed together. Also, LiveFyre lets you have threaded conversations, which makes long conversations much more useful.
- Robert Scoble
Wait, you can still see after looking at that page?
- Jimminy Fuller
Robert, you can really improve your Friendfeed experience by using lists. There's also robust search -- and metadata! I read that somewhere, at least. ;-)
- Chris Baskind
I think Robert's point is that FF lists only tag *people*, not conversations.
- Michael R. Bernstein
hmmm...Michael and Robert has a point there. It takes quite a bit of an effort to search for subjects/topics in Friendfeed/Twitter/Facebook as these seem to be more user-centric sites whereas Livefyre is more of a topic-centric. In Livefyre you can follow a topic instead of a person.
- Robert Sanchez Jr
Interesting how many people are focused on the look rather than the substance. This site has a lot of potential.
- Josh Fialkoff
Josh - Pretty is pretty important. I have to stare at that UI for hours and hours. It's best that it not make me stabby and depressed. I don't care if the site cures cancer, nothing is worth staring into that mess for that long.
- Matthew DeVries
This is a mess of a UI - If I'm looking for a real FF Clone, I'll go with Cliqset. It's about 2000 times prettier, same function, and none of those uncomfortably lame fire puns.
- Matthew DeVries
A comment to the effect that it was odd not to see a fire about sex impelled me to try to start one: "What do you think about sex? Join my conversation happening now on #LiveFyrehttp://su.pr/1LBCYf "
- SuezanneC Baskerville
Tags? People have to actually *create* those, and conversations are too throw-away to really have that done well, and avoid spamming (witness hash tags). That said, I have a saved search here on FF that shows me entries that have "protip" in the content, and it updates live. FF not having threaded comments is actually an advantage, it keeps things on topic and encourages creating new root entries as things diverge, or creating a room to centralize stuff on a single topic.
- Andy Bakun
I'll wait for the new UI in 2 weeks, I don't see anything appealing at all.
- Kol Tregaskes
Were a VC bankrolling these guys, there'd be WTF-AYFI meeting called yesterday to discuss this UI. Phrases like "not going to take this seriously" and "my money elsewhere" would be tossed about.
- Matthew DeVries
Ugly. Also unusable. Why is the actual talk box so narrow? Nothing like endless amounts of scrolling... I call fail.
- Otto
We should call this a ScobleRoll. He shamelessly pimps some site and we all flock to it to see what's going on only to find out it's utter rubbish. Next he'll be like, 'Hey, want to have a personalized site where you can share information with your friends while learning valuable web development skills? http://angelfire.com/ is the way to go. Getting a demo now.'
- Akiva Moskovitz
DO ANYBODY NO WHY SCOBLE IS USING A DEAD SERVICE TO PIMP ANOTHER SERVICE?
- Gunny doesn't side-hug™
gonna have to vote for FriendFeed - nothing that compelling on LiveFyre yet.
- Bill Sanders
I didn't like how the conversation was updated from the top rather than from the bottom like FF. Trying to catch up on a conversation was a nightmare with the text moving off from where I was reading it the whole time.
- 1x29
I can only imagine they are a little gutted to have courted Scoble's help / influence in getting their product more known when the initial feedback is surely what they knew already themselves [i.e. it looks awful! :)]
- 1x29
Fire puns are worse than the hideousness. "Is it in brush fyre or wild fyre?" The illusive sex threads are probably called "fyre crotches". It's also kind of insensitive since California burns to the ground every spring. Who wants to participate in a "forest fyre" about the forest fire where your friend grandmother just died. There's no RL analog to a Ff thread or Twitter tag that could offend.
- Matthew DeVries
Why wouldn't the illusive sex threads be called "bush fyres?"
- Jimminy Fuller
You can't swing a dead-cat without finding someone's profile declaring themselves a "Branding expert". You'd think someone would have told them how horrible and tedious punning up your brand is.
- Matthew DeVries
The trailer for the 'Black Sheep' - the movie that just ended on Space: killer sheep terrorize New Zealand farm country http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Perhaps instead of putting the names of people arrested for drunk driving on Twitter, the Texas County courts should just talk about them on cell phones.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
Perhaps instead of putting the names of people arrested for drunk driving on Twitter, the Texas County courts should just talk about them using GSM on cell phones.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
Nobody will take a wave invite from me, and no one will comment on sex in my attempt to start a fire at LiveFyre. Maybe I need to do something else with my time.
that's cuz nobody wants to sign up for livefyre
- Chris Heath
oh, and what about sex? your livefyre post wasn't really a conversation starter
- Chris Heath
it was an open ended question, the sort that would allow anyone to say anything at all. I guess I could have quoted Kaiser Kuo's comment about blowjobs and hair salons in China and gotten some responses. a comment over there, instead of here, would have been more interesting to me. here are some sample responses to the question "What do you think about sex?": "I think I'd like some", "It's nice but the price is too high", "I think we need to keep it off TV", "My favorite position is <position>".
- SuezanneC Baskerville
The text on the circles is totally illegible to me. Why put text on a gradient background? The text is big enough, but on a gradient, and floating around to boot?
- SuezanneC Baskerville
One could be looking at a map, see a forest service road and decided to take it, couldn't one? Would that be the map's fault? Should they perhaps have been paying more attention to the fact they were traveling on spurs of a forest service road with a bunch of snow on them? Did they have snow tires and or chains on their tires?
- SuezanneC Baskerville
"Fermi is Nvidia's next big thing. Nvidia bills Fermi as an entirely new ground-up design that will finally realize the potential of GPU computing – using the graphics card for more than just pushing pixels and driving them to your display."
- LANjackal
from Bookmarklet
It's not a memory hog in windows. I'm reminded how glad I am to have made the switch every time I use my wife or daughter's computer and I sit there waiting for firefox to load.
- Jim in Real Time
No, the numbers say most people prefer Fx above everything else, actually. Chrome is like Linux: it has a tiny minority of very fanatical supporters who make their number seem a lot larger than the mosquitoes they actually are. Also, Chrome's higher system overhead has been repeatedly shown in independent testing. It IS fast, but there's a tradeoff in RAM and CPU resources.
- LANjackal
I like Firefox. I don't like Chrome, plus Chrome is quite slow on my system. I like the Chrome interface least of all the browsers I've tried, below Firefox, Flock, Opera, Maxthon, Internet Explorer, and other browsers whose names I've forgotten.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
I usually prefer Chrome. I started Firefox today just to check for updates and I was reminded how slow it is compared to Chrome when it comes to starting up. Flash rendering is also quicker in Chrome.
- George Moga
Chrome uses memory efficiently. Firefox uses more and more until you close it.
- Raphael, Raphael
Chrome is both a memory hog and really, really slow. At least it is slow when I use the beta 4 version with a lot of plugins(beta is forced). In fact it became so slowthat it is almost unusable on my netbook. The same netbook has comparable plugins (but even more and better working ones) in firefox and that installation just flies! Yes, Chrome is fast on Java, but that is it! Try to load anything with a long page, like a newspaper or my favorite Swedish price comparison site, and it really takes forever.
- Magnus
And on my quadcore desktop with windows 7, it is the same story. Here the waiting time isn't as annoying in Chrome, but it is noticeably slower in everyday usage. I don't know about the stable versions without the plugins, but that isn't interesting at all, since plugins is what makes the browsers, at least for me! And yes, it really is a memory hog. Used about 600 megs on my 1 gig...
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- Magnus
Weird. Chrome works more efficiently and faster than FFx on all my computers. Raphael++ on the mem leaks in FFx
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Safari on a daily basis for me - Only use the others for special features when needed. Wit a Flash blocker I've never had an overload with Safari (Mac) no matter the number of windows/tabs.
- PXLated
Tried Chrome didnt like it. I love Firefox for the extensions.
- Shawn aka ringking
Chrome is AWESOME with extensions! I love it... seriously amazing
- Susan Beebe
I am still using Safari over Chrome. Chrome is a memory hog and slows my computer.
- Louis Gray
My friends want me to use Firefox but it is kinda hard to breakaway from Chrome.
- Stephen
I never feel like using any other browser besides safari when I am using Mac.
- ashish
Chrome now has 98% of my online time, on it since it came out, Win 7 runs it smoothly, both stable and dev versions. Some extensions are partly a hype, but this fast simple browser or coming OS are way beyond that. I did have memory issues on XP but that old machine had 1GB Ram :-)
- Majento
I would really appreciate if someone could provide details on how Chrome is a memory hog or otherwise mis-manages resoures.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
i still dig FF. i'm soaking in it now.
- Joe Silence
General Use: (OS X): 70% Safari, 25% Firefox and 5% Chrome. During Web Development: 94% Firefox, 5% Safari and 1% Chrome.
- Micah Wittman
Micah, have you checked the web dev tools in Chrome? They can be pretty helpful. LANjackal, you may compare Chrome usage to mosquitoes, but a lot of people do like it. Chrome has also raised the bar in browser speed, and the resulting faster competition is good for users regardless of which browser they like.
- Matt Cutts
from iPhone
I prefer Chrome. Try this simple test. Highlight on your desktop both Chrome and Firefox icons, hit Enter and see which opens first. That's faster.
- Will Higgins™
Matt, thanks - I am aware of the Chrome tools. Do you know if, with Developer Tools, there's a way to highlight a select a DOM and go right into edit mode? With Firebug I can alter/add markup then toggle out of edit mode and it goes live - it's so handy.
- Micah Wittman
I still use firefox and like it much better than Chrome. One reason is all of the plug-ins available.
- Jeff P. Henderson
I still use Firefox most of the time, mainly for its plugins and add-ons
- M F
Ever so rarely use Firefox nowadays. Everything I used in FrF is now available in Chrome and even with more extensions installed than FrF Chrome is still faster. I'm sticking wit Chrome. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I still prefer Firefox. But after the introduction of extensions, I do try to use Chrome more and I've to say it's much faster in loading pages. The memory hog isn't that much of a concern, at least it's not causing any problems for me. I still miss the Firefox extensions a lot when using Chrome, so I guess I've to wait for more Chrome extensions to develop before considering a switch to Chrome.
- Jackie
If you use javascript heavy apps, Chrome wins hands down. The js handling in FF is slow sluggish, with typically a lot of spinning wheel waits. Rarely do I see that in chrome. I see it less in safari that in FF, but still more than in chrome.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I use Chrome to see one of my Gmail accounts. Apart from it telling me it had an error doing something (and then doing it OK anyway) it has not caused me any grief. It is no great shakes in the looks department though. I use Safari for everything except the toolbar things that I can only see with Firefox (Compete, Majestico..). In my wasted life/extensive testing ;-) Safari is the quickest, the nicest-looking, the most user-friendly, and (joint first with Chrome) the one I trust most with my information.
- david
I use Firefox for workflow, when I open and close tabs quickly (preventing memory hogging and buildup). I use Chrome for 'always-on' tabs, which also are usually Google apps (GReader, Wave, Docs) -- also FriendFeed, Facebook, Twitter/Brizzly. System seems more stable, in the past month, with that arrangement. I've stopped using FF extensions, because they were doing most of the hogging -- so Chrome is equally good a browser now.
- Christopher Galtenberg
happy with ff, reason#1: extensions, reason#2: got used to it => have to try chrome and safari. I like david's concept of having more than one browser and adapting it to specific needs.
- Manuel
i use safari and firefox...each has it's place...
- sally stokhamer
Chrome works swimmingly on Linux. If I leave FF open over night, it eventually tries to take all of my RAM. Chrome always stays in its little box.
- James Williams
Chrome slows down a lot, and it has suddenly decided it wants to remember my bank account information even though i told it not to. it would be nice if I could go in and do things like delete certain saved form information, or set cache size. It's only an alternate browser, not a primary.
- Richard Lawler
There is NO equivalent of Multifox on Chrome. That extension allows me to be logged in to the same site on several accounts simultaneously. No need for any other browser, thanks
- LANjackal
from IM
I love Chrome - but recently have found problems with WP blogs and some of the sites I shop at!!! Could be a money saver ;-p
- Robyn Hawk
Still using safari. Chrome will improve...
- funkyboy
from iPhone
I haven't even installed FF on my freshly reformatted machine -- Chrome has been all I needed and I don't see going back. In fact, I just redid some of our workflow pages at work that I designed so they would specifically work better with Chrome. (They were previously built for... shudder... IE6.)
- Vince DeGeorge
<annoying "correction" of Mark H's comment which makes sense only because I didn't get the joke, forcing him to either explain the joke (humor fail, vexing) or remain inappropriately corrected (also vexing)>
- SuezanneC Baskerville
<comment demonstrating that I obviously haven't read the article referred to in the original post>
- ha3rvey (business time)
Embarassing or not, it puts the Police force's actions in the public eye, and when people are being arrested for simple things like speeding the public now knows they need to vote the guy that hired the Chief of Police out of office (or he needs to change his ways). I'm all for it. I think more government organizations should be exposing their records via Twitter this way.
- Jesse Stay
Bad idea. People love fame, even the not good kind. Many would not consider it embarrassing, but the opposite.
- Otto
from iPhone
It's got to be annoying for people with the same name as the one's publicized by Texas County.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
Here's a idea for a novel: Person's family gets killed by drunk driver. Person is driven to seek revenge. Person decides to kill everyone reported as a drunk driver in Twitter by Texas County, TX.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
I would feel guilty messing up such neatly arranged food. Maybe if I could coordinate with some other folks so food could be removed in a symmetrical, harmonious, synchronized manner.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
wow che meraviglia ... Auguri!
- allegra
from iPhone
Guys, I'm having a big clear out on Twitter but want to make sure I'm following all my Friendfeed friends - could you please link to your twitter account in the comments below?
http://twitter.com/rahsheen - pretty positive there was a tool capable of doing this, but not sure if it still exists and can't remember what it was called...I think someone here developed it.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
What you can do is run this and then click all the Twitter links in the results. It's everyone you are following. It gives a big page of links to all their blogs and services: http://hiphs.com/ff/ffriends
- April Russo (app103)
April, I actually ran it, but it's still hanging, not as quickly as before but it only pulled 2800 of the users from Zee's public subscriptions. I really need to put more work into all of my Friendfeed backup tools. Note: I'm a retard, I'll dm you a list of your users FFriends and their subsequent Twitter accounts.
- Jimminy Fuller
English orthography is a bitch, and I'm not the greatest speller in the world, but ugh...its seems that word is spelled wrong more often than not.
- Christopher A Carr
No red as in republican, red state, GOP red iculous.
- Shane Abernathy
from email
I guess people who spell it wrong are analyzing the "re..." as re- , a prefix. I wonder if they also tend to pronounce the word [ri 'dI ..] rather than [rI 'dI...]
- Christopher A Carr
if you are commenting on a post from a liberal person and in your reply you make the assertion that their opinions are red iculous. Or if in your reply you want to make it known what side of the fence your on.
- Shane Abernathy
from email
I'd like to just get rid of vowels in English orthography and use vowel marks instead. Then the hair on the back of my scalp won't stand up when I see things like that. Oh, and also: "definately." GAAAHHH!
- Eph Zero
Right, because some things are finate, and some things are infinate, and some things are definate.
- Christopher A Carr
There must be papers on English morphological awareness and orthographical competence among native speakers. Or do you suppose people who spell it "definately" would also produce "finate?" Perhaps the root sort of hides in the affixation. Had I actually paid attention to the "applied" part of the "applied linguistics" education, I would probably know this stuff.
- Christopher A Carr
oh, i thought the red line was there to emphasize it. thanks for the tip. ... :) ... I wondered why the computer was always wanting to emphasize so many words. It seemed a bit rediculous to me.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
No, I think you're right, Christopher. It's those darned unstressed syllables messing everything up. But words feel different in my head based on the spelling, even if they are homophones. It makes me feel all creepy-crawly to think of the way those words must feel inside other people's heads.
- Eph Zero
I know what you mean. Different spellings have some sort of differing quality to me...hard to explain; they sort of "smell" different.
- Christopher A Carr
So tomorrow, Christmas Day, is a spare the air day in the Bay Area. That's right. The government is preventing you from burning wood in a fireplace on Christmas! -- http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin...
Preventing you or suggesting that you don't? I assume those aren't enforceable, right?
- Louis Gray
Nope. It's a finable offense. About $400 I think, with additional fines if you continue violating.
- Cristo
Louis, I believe they can fine us for burning on a spare the air day.
- Jeff P. Henderson
However, you are still allowed to drive your Hummer all around the Bay Area just for fun. Burning firewood is a crime.
- Cristo
Interesting though, as I have not listened to the radio news or read the paper today, I had no idea tomorrow was a spare the air day.
- Jeff P. Henderson
I suppose it's not in the Christmas spirit, but I would seriously like to punch one of the people responsible for this in the face right now. No, I don't have a woodburning fireplace, but this pisses me off.
- Cristo
I suggest an idea, tell the dumb asses in the city offices that it's spare the air day, and that they aren't allowed to breath. From the looks of things, http://www.sfweekly.com/2009-12..., + this sounds like they deserve it.
- Jimminy Fuller
Maybe it's not enforceable on holidays and weekends.
- Louis Gray
Louis, it wouldn't be on all the news stations if it wasn't legitimate. Soon they'll tell us when it's okay to have sex or drink beer. It's all for the greater good. Too bad the founding fathers didn't think to put woodburning into the constitution. Yup, it's okay to own a handgun, but not to burn a fire.
- Cristo
Remember to stand up when the fireplace police enter the room. One must show respect for the office, mustn't one?
- SuezanneC Baskerville
Can't wait until they outlaw woodburning porn on youtube. I mean, it would influence people to actually burn wood, right?
- Cristo
I think the wood you see in porn is a different kind of wood.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
Nope. I mean the yule log channel will be banned.
- Cristo