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Micah Wittman
What is your FF Comments/Likes Ratio? (Comments divided by Likes to 2nd decimal place - as of now) - http://flickr.com/photos...
What is your FF Comments/Likes Ratio? (Comments divided by Likes to 2nd decimal place - as of now)
1.05 (670/633) - Micah Wittman from Bookmarklet
Can you remind me again where to find those stats? - Brian Johns
Brian, go to "Me" link (http://friendfeed.com/brianjo...) which defaults to the Feed tab. Look at the sidebar on the right, below Discussion. - Micah Wittman
0.75 (926/1226) - still relatively new here - mikepk
I only see my stats for the last week (17/14 = 1.21) Please tell me your 670 number is for more than just a week! - Brian Johns
1.44 (566/391) for brianjohns (after week tally you should see a comma then 'all time' count - I can see it on your page) - Micah Wittman
OK, sorry. I'm a total dumbass. I stopped reading after the weekly totals... - Brian Johns
3.74, which seems way off of everybody else's. I wonder what that says. I comment a lot more than I like. - Cyrus Lendvay
FFers use FF with their own strategy or simply default tendencies. The ratio is an interesting snapshot of behaviour. Thanks for joining in everyone, hope more keep flowing in. - Micah Wittman from twhirl
0.79 - Brian Roy
0.67 - Nine
1.39. - Rochelle
1.61 - I only 'like' when I want to throw my support behind a topic but don't have anything constructive to add. - Bjorn Stromberg
1.12 - LogEx
1.41 - WorldofHiglet
5.08 (3181/626) ! - ◄ani625Ξ
0.66 - I tend to 'like' things without needing to comment further, I guess, and I notice I usually like the things upon which I comment. Well, frequently. - ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
.39 (2457/6242) I guess I don't comment much. I do 'like' a lot of things, it would seem. - Bren, Photophobe
0.62 then again i have over 11,000 comments - Cee Bee
1.23 (5287/4229) - I am put to shame by Cee Bee's participation, good grief! - Her Lindsay-ness
@Cee Bee I think you meant 0.62 - ◄ani625Ξ
1.27 (902/705) - Leandro Ardissone ⍨
yes, thanks for the correction. lindsay, you're making me feel bad. lol - Cee Bee
0.8576, I only like mostly when I'm going to comment - Mol, Time Warping
1.55 endlessly repeating. This Like/Comment included. - Dana D
before this comment: .69 I kid you not. - InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
So far: Average: 1.27 | Median: 0.81 ... (if you average 1 comment per like, you'd be 1.0 ... if you're 0.xx you might herd content more than discuss ... if you're whole numbers above 1 you may not 'like' much or discuss plenty or both) - Micah Wittman
CSV_A: 1.05,0.75,1.44,0.81,3.74,0.79,0.77,0.67,0.77,0.76,1.39,1.8,1.61,1.12,0.141,5.08,2.41,0.66,.39,0.62,.62,1.27,0.8576,1.551,0.69 - Micah Wittman
1.83 - Grant Bierman
I tend to like allot of photos which really don't need comments. - InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
InPerpetualMotion(Gina k), I really liked this 'Like' of yours (in a series of pics, so I flickr fav'd it): http://friendfeed.com/e... and commented. Thanks! - Micah Wittman
.37 1002/2708 - Michael Fidler
this is what scobes walls would like if he didnt have FF - sean percival
I haven't seen Marc Canter's fabled fence (just heard about it), but I imagine this but on wood pickets :) - Micah Wittman
This week: 2.48 (1162:467) but this is not the norm, my likes usually match or are higher than comments, overall: 0.95 (14228:14846). - Kol Tregaskes
Thanks Michael, Kol! I'll recalculate average/median when we build up some more data points here. - Micah Wittman
1.03 748/723 - Keith - @tsudo
.68 6986/10194 Someone wrote a great article on the comment-like ratio a few months ago. Search on FriendFeed is crashing on me... I'll try to get the link. - Mitchell Tsai
Thanks Mitchell (btw, search crashing on me too - lots) - Micah Wittman
1316 comments/20221 likes (0.06), according to Windows Calculator, although I probably screwed up. - Tyson Key
*bump* - Micah Wittman
Thanks, Mark! - Micah Wittman
Thanks Spidra! - Micah Wittman
0.95 (1520/1604) - it's 2+ months later, and my ratio flipped (more Likes by .05) - Micah Wittman
.7 (1204/1724) - before this comment at least. - Rachel Lea Fox
Thanks, Rachel! - Micah Wittman
3.46 (3665/1057) before this comment and like. - Kevin Fox
Thanks, Kevin. 3+ is quite the comment on your commenting activities :) - Micah Wittman
I've got stuff to say. - Kevin Fox
3.98 (900/226) - Richard Lawler
1.02 (3538/3484) for sofarsofarshaun - Micah Wittman
.34 (600/1747, not counting this comment) - Michael Hocter
Thank you, Siavash and Michael - Micah Wittman
.52 overall, but .68 this week. - Rebecca
Nice, thanks Rebecca. - Micah Wittman
0.56 - imabonehead
Rah and imabonehead - rock on! (Richard too!) - Micah Wittman
0.16 - Anne Bouey
1.39 - jcunwired
4.62 (287/62) -- Yikes! I'm chatty. - Ted Roden
Thank you kindly, Anne, jcunwired and Ted. - Micah Wittman
Thanks for joining in, Bryce. - Micah Wittman
.15 all time, .13 this week. - Alix Whitmire
Thank you, Alix and David! (and Alix, you're tied with Siavash for the Highest Like ratio. Wow). - Micah Wittman
2.94 - j1m
Thank you, j1m. Ok, I'm gonna roll this up into a csv and call it a night. - Micah Wittman
CSV_B: 0.95,0.7,3.46,3.98,1.02,0.15,0.34,0.52,1.31,0.56,0.16,1.39,4.62,2.63,0.15,0.52,2.94 - Micah Wittman
this week = 0.45%, alltime = 6.43% - chaz2b
CSV_B Mean: 1.49 (previous mean for CVS_A: 1.27) - Micah Wittman
Of course the numbers can easily lie, but I'm gonna say it anyway: "We're getting more conversational, people!" - Micah Wittman
0.49 (493/988) - Bluesun 2600
816 / 2502 = 0.326139089 overall | 50 / 233 = 0.214592275 this week I like much more than I comment. (maths via google) - Chris Loft
3026/5013 = 0.6036 - Roger Chen
0.107 probably the lowest here - Nicholas James
chaz2b, Bluesun 2600, Roger, Nicholas — thank you! - Micah Wittman
.76 - jamar78
5.25 but I don't know what this *means, yet. maybe I'm just stingy with my "likes" compared to others? - Marg Uerite
Thanks jamar78 and Marg! - Micah Wittman
A recent change in FF: now the comment count shows total number of comments (previously multiple comments in one thread only counted as one) http://friendfeed.com/e... so all the numbers above are from the old methodology.... - David HC Soul
My new ratio: 0.76 all time (old methodology .52).... this week 1.39 - David HC Soul
*bump* - Micah Wittman
1.26 (2965/2346) - Micah Wittman
1.37 - Glen Campbell
Thanks, Glen and pea! - Micah Wittman
Looks like my ratio as flipped again (comments back to dominating again). Seems to match my own awareness I've lately been commenting without Liking (commenting is my inherent recognition of value to me and the additional Like is when it merits an extra bump to help discovery by others). - Micah Wittman
.38 - Ryan Dadey
Ryan, I have to say, that's one high caliber ratio ;) - Micah Wittman
An update it's .44 which is an improvement from .36 - Michael Fidler
1.5 exactly - Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
2.94 1040/354 I have likes set to post to twitter automatically, so I'm careful with them. :) - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
0.85 - Steven Perez
0.73 up from 0.66 on Jan 08 - ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
0.37 for the week past, 0.45 on the whole. - Parth Awasthi
Michael, Anthony, Ahsan, guruvan Steven, sıɹɥɔ and Parth - thanks for dropping in your stats! - Micah Wittman
5.81 i'm not using it as does everyone else here. that is fer sure. - Marg Uerite
But remember, the comment counts also includes comments imported from other services. - Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Ahsan, huh, I'd never considered that. - Micah Wittman
17942/30571=.59 - Alex Scoble
Alex, thank you, sir. - Micah Wittman
ALmost 2:1 exactly. - Amani
Much obliged, Amani. - Micah Wittman
3062/5777 you do the maths. - Will Higgins™
.53 (3062/5777) for Will Higgins #math-on-demand-services - Micah Wittman
Thank you, amin/gnu - Micah Wittman
2671/12333=.21 - Darren Heydon
1.45 (4374/3026) - Micah Wittman
0.92 now. I think the movie reviews have been getting me closer to a 1 to 1 ratio. - Steven Perez
Steven, yep, you were a 0.85 in April. - Micah Wittman
2.10 now ... - Amani
0.97 now. - Eric Johnson
Amani, so your comments have climbed a bit. - Micah Wittman
Thanks, Eric. - Micah Wittman
yes, but i am not consciously "not liking" things - Amani from IM
Probably, just chattier then :) - Micah Wittman
I'm down from 7.16 to 6.94 :-) - Ken Sheppardson
the live NBA playoff threads have ALOT to do with it. - Amani from IM
Ken, the FCC may be interested to explore how your "I'm down" may be offensively self-deprecating ;) - Micah Wittman
.56 eeep, must try harder - Threepwood
4.52. I don't bother to like things I've commented on, since commenting already flags it as interesting. - Andy Bakun
0.46 (1698/3638) - Glenn Slaven
Threepwood, Andy, Glenn - thanks (Andy, that's my mo too; then I'll Like if it warrants a "double vote"). - Micah Wittman
1.31 (4,471/3,401) - Karoli
Thanks, Karoli. And the both of us have a _very_ similar ratio and absolute numbers. wow. - Micah Wittman
1.15 ! Noisy... need more liking, I guess. - Ryo / Fuck Facebook
Thanks, Ryo! - Micah Wittman
Darn - 0.52. I guess I need to say why I like something a little more often :-) Liking this thread because I was wondering the same thing recently. Has anybody worked out the average from the numbers here? </islazy> - Andy Bold
Andy, scroll upward and you'll see a couple calculations from before (January: Average: 1.27 | Median: 0.81) - Micah Wittman
In March the Mean was: 1.49 - Micah Wittman
1.021276595744680851063829787234042553191489361702127659... via Wolfram Alpha - tom murphy
Thanks, tom. And though a bit verbose, your friend Wolfram is resourceful :D - Micah Wittman
0.55 (254/444) - Willem (@wim66) ☠
Thank you, Willem. - Micah Wittman
In April you were 0.97, so you're liking more / commenting less. - Micah Wittman
1.88 (779/414) - Ton Zijp
Thanks, Ton. - Micah Wittman
0.43 (3597/8305). - Parth Awasthi
0.74 (1970/2667) - Scott of Two Countries
And thank you Parth, Scott. - Micah Wittman
Parth, compared to your April numbers, you've been consistent. - Micah Wittman
2.12 is my ratio. - Rick Cogley
Thanks, Rick! - Micah Wittman
Np Micah. What is that photo? - Rick Cogley
.54 (4148/7674) Updated! - Michael Fidler
Rick, you mean that face with glasses I photoshopped tint into with an apparently disembodied arm which is actually very much attached to my eldest son? It's mostly just me :) - Micah Wittman
Thanks, Michael. Yes, you have a rising tide of comment percentage (oh, wow, you were one of the originals from January - cool!) - Micah Wittman
1.82 from 798 comments / 438 likes - David Damore
Thanks, nivé and David! - Micah Wittman
2027/1594 = 1.27 - Brome
0.58 - Marc Dong
2.9 (3,242/1,116) mhhh.. time to straighten my use of FF a bit.. thanks for this entry - Thierry R. Andriamirado
Brome, Marc and Thierry - thank you! - Micah Wittman
Thierry - yeah, 2.9 is fairly high - got to pick the pace on like side :) [but hey, whatever works for you is fine] - Micah Wittman
Stats Update: Last time I commented here my comment to like ratio was 0.107 it's increased to 0.645 ;) - Nicholas James
Thank you Nicholas and MiniMage! - Micah Wittman
Yeah, that's a decent upward rise in comments, Nicholas. - Micah Wittman
.6 (6,000/10,000) 3rd update - Now it's time to flip this on its head. My goal is to have (16,000/16,000) next time I post here. Regardless of what happens, I'm just looking forward to the next 10,000 comments, likes, posts, and new relationships I make here. It's all good! - Michael Fidler
1.76 (7539/4290) My commenting habits haven't chanced much, but it felt like I clicked Like a lot less, and this ratio confirms that for me. - Micah Wittman
It's that time again. - Micah Wittman
Thanks, Laura! (you're a 50-caliber gal!) - Micah Wittman
0.64 - Imabug
Thank you, Imabug. - Micah Wittman
4.67 (I'm greedy :p) - directeur
0.99 - Steven Perez
About 1:2 comment to likes at this time - RAPatton from iPod
1.06 - Jim Hearts FF
.63 - metalerik
Thanks Imabug, directeur, Steven, RAPatton, Jim, Brent and metalerik! - Micah Wittman
.83 - Jimminy
0.78 - Pete Delucchi
.82 as of right now. edit: on January 8th it was 0.39 -- when I saw that, I decided to make more of an effort to comment. When I hit 10k "likes" I decided I wouldn't "like" anything else until I also had 10k comments. - Bren, Photophobe
And thank you Jimminy, Pete, Bren and Penguin! - Micah Wittman
2.47 as of right now. - Jonas, Leper of FF
Micah, are you doing something with these numbers? If so sounds interesting. - Jimminy
0.58 - James (!?)
Jimminy, I'm copyrighting every single number. It's kind of a honeypot ;) Actually, it was curiosity mostly, but I also hope to build a sampling (small and self-selecting as it may be) for anyone who might want to analyze it. - Micah Wittman
Jonas, James and Kurt - thanks you! - Micah Wittman
You're welcome. I hope the results do some good. :-) - James (!?)
.31. I have almost 4 times as many likes as comments. - edythe
.86 - Eric Logan
Thank you edythe and Eric! - Micah Wittman
195/245 makes 0.8 rounded not including this one which would be 196/245 making 0.8 unrounded, - tom murphy
Thanks, Tom. - Micah Wittman
1.98 (588/297) - Bryan Zirkel
1.67 (19,550/11,684) - Mitchell Tsai
Bryan, Mitchell and Jeff P. - thanks, guys! - Micah Wittman
1.18 - it's always been close to 1, since day one, for some reason. - Laura Norvig
Wow, Penguin is a prolific liker! - Laura Norvig
2.67 (875/328) - Nathalie, Dreamer of FF
Thank you, Nathalie! - Micah Wittman
1.29 - Mark Jepsen
Thanks, Spidra and Mark! - Micah Wittman
0.49 - Jammy Lee
Jammy and Mathew, thank you very much. - Micah Wittman
I don't know I just like that picture - Brian Hendrickson
.40 - Ben Hanten
Mine was exactly 2:1 about a week ago. Did a screenshot when I had 2,000 comments and 1,000 likes. - Joe.... from iPod
SuezanneC, Brian, B E N and Joe - thank you all very much! - Micah Wittman
Joe, it's like see the odometer click through a nice round number - it's just inexplicably engaging. :) - Micah Wittman
1.40, nearly the square root of two. - Vezquex: God of FF
0.58 - Andy Bold
Thanks, Raphael and Andy! - Micah Wittman
1.15 (6777/5873) - JA Castillo
12.23 (844 / 69 ) I guess I take my likes seriously ;) - Chris Myles
1.63 - Serkan Mutlu
Wow I didn't realize I was so out of whack!! 12.23 that's got to be a record (and I don't even import my feeds with the summary as a comment)!! - Chris Myles
.87 - Nine
Thanks JA, Chris (wow, 12+ is unusual :), Serkan and Nine! - Micah Wittman
0.89 (17818/19913) (Somebody better make a cool ass graph of all this data!) - Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Micah.. I told you I take my likes seriously; ). You *might* want to ask (in a separate post) what percentage of likes were used to "bookmark" a post or save it for later VS actually "liking it". I NEVER used like for that.. but I did use a private group that if filled with my own topics (and comments).. - Chris Myles
1.78 (8529/4782) - Micah Wittman
Likes are down relative to comments, which matches my much lower frequency of liking. I'm a more selective liker than ever. - Micah Wittman
0.9009 (6055/6721) - Jason Huebel
OK, so statistically, what ratio results in better interaction on FF? - Jason Huebel
I don't think I could argue that any particular kind of ratio is "best", because if Lurkers like to Lurk and cultivate (via Likes) and the Chatty-ites love to chat, to pump out much many more comments than Likes, each can be happy and make for a great social experience. - Micah Wittman
So I'm fairly balanced, it appears. I would imagine it's because I try to comment on every post I like. That's not always true, obviously. But mostly it is. - Jason Huebel
Just clicking "Like" seems too easy. I feel like I should say something, too. - Jason Huebel
383/372 - ashish
'Just clicking "Like" seems too easy' — Jason, that's because you're from the Chatty-ite tribe :) - Micah Wittman
Thanks, ashish. - Micah Wittman
wow, what a difference time makes, when i 1st posted on this thread, 6.43%, now = 1.25%, for a 5.18% difference, :o (and this is the earliest post to date i've recovered of my activity on ff) - chaz2b
chaz, I think there's been a big fluctuation for most people (maybe not that much). This is the oldest post on which you commented that you've recovered? - Micah Wittman
When I first saw this: 1.91 Sept 28: 1.94 - MiniMage, sheeple of FF
536 comments in the last month has me at .8736...still creeping toward 1.00 - Bren, Photophobe
Thanks, MiniMage (2x participant!), Bren (3x!) and Shannon (your inaugural visit!) - Micah Wittman
Thank you, SustainedEuphoria. - Micah Wittman
I 'liked" this to change my ratio! (1.22 1040/850) - Mark Jepsen
Thanks, Mark. - Micah Wittman
1.45 - Brett Kelly
Thanks, Brett :) - Micah Wittman
5.67 all time. Second highest ratio on here. Woot! I love to talk. - Kevin L
0.125, I need to talk more ;) - mridul
Thank you both, Kevin and mridul (the two of you balance it each well :) - Micah Wittman
1.80 (10,189 / 5,666) [compared to Likes, my Comments still continue to rise] - Micah Wittman
1.02 (10323/10161) - Bren, Photophobe
.5666 currently (30,084/53,093) - Alex Scoble
Thanks, Bren. - Micah Wittman
Thank you, Alex :) - Micah Wittman
that was my third post... It's interesting to see how the number has changed. of course, I manipulated the number to a degree, because I stopped "liking" things for a while... - Bren, Photophobe
Bren, the other thing that can seriously throw off someone's stats is a feed that upon each item it imports adds a comment automatically. - Micah Wittman
true. that can seriously inflate comment stats, of course. Then you have someone like RAPatton, who posts a gazillion comments, in part because of his playlist posts where he will list each song in a separate comment. I found, after this post in fact, that I tended to "like" things much more frequently than comment on them, that I was lurking instead of participating. I have changed the way I use ff rather considerably, and I think for the better. - Bren, Photophobe
Thanks, Sarah, Tutivillus. - Micah Wittman
1.19 - Joe Bonner
Micah this is like 11 months ago, I see you have almost doubled your rate. lets make a graph for everybody now, :) - Mahmood Padura
Quick, someone write a greasemonkey script to inline some google charts! (tap-tap-tap...wut? don't look at me ;) - Micah Wittman
Thanks, Joe. And you thank you, Mahmood :) - Micah Wittman
1.66 - Glen Campbell
Thanks, Glen! Your comments in the ratio have gone up too. - Micah Wittman
1.70 (it was 1.41 on Jan 8) - WorldofHiglet
WorldofHiglet, thank you :) The comments are strong in this one. - Micah Wittman
0.64 (2,589/4,051) - Chieze Okoye
0.58 - Thomas Page
Chieze and Thomas - thank you! - Micah Wittman
*bumpage* - Micah Wittman
So, Micah, we never did find out what you were doing with this info.... - WorldofHiglet
2.21 (2,812/1,275) - Rene Wirtz
0.27 (5637/20234) - I only see a couple people lower than me. - John (a.k.a. dendroica)
4.06 (747/184) - Jan Ole Peek
WoH, World Domination. - Micah Wittman
Rene, John and Jan - thank you, all three! :) - Micah Wittman
2.74 (4,446 / 12,204) - J. Abdul-Qahhar
0.97 (6,694/6,929) - Jimminy
Thank you J., Jimminy and آقای تلخک :) - Micah Wittman
2.23 - Paola Bonomo
0.71 (8,200/11,551) updated - Michael Fidler
0.67 - Artemko
J. Abdul-Qahhar LOL 4,446 / 12,204 = 0.36 - Artemko
0.03 (284 / 10378)! - Daniel Rowley
Thanks Paola, Michael, Artemko, J. and Daniel! - Micah Wittman
1.09 (9990/9105) From and including: Saturday, April 26, 2008 To and including: Thursday, November 12, 2009 It is 566 days from the start date to the end date, end date included Or 1 year, 6 months, 18 days including the end date to reach 10,000 comments. - Christopher Harley
*thanks Christopher thoroughly* - Micah Wittman
directeur
Guys, here's a serious question: Do you use linux and open source? Don't you? Why? Why not? (Especially for desktops and workstations)
Serious answers please! I mean comments like "freetards!" or "We HAVE to pay for software" aren't serious — Also, gentle discussions between commenters are very welcome! Please be nice, cool and helpful - I'd really appreciate it :) - directeur
I tried it. It had a horrible learning curve and very little community support for those trying to run Linux on Mac hardware. - Spidra Webster
Spidra, I run Linux on macs :) Can I help? Also, I actually think that you probably tried some years ago, didn't you? - directeur
I do is certain situations. For example, I have a service offering that integrates the Asterisk PBX. I am mostly MS on the desktop. - Eric @ CS Techcast from iPhone
I did for a short time. I had no compelling reason to stay with it. - Internet's Tad
Thanks, Erid, I'm editing my post for "Desktop" and "Workstations" - directeur
Yes - I use Linux and Open source for all my backend servers at the school I work at. Its all LAMP and its all AWS. This includes blogs, moodle, streaming media (a and v), and other support systems I need to run my section of the school. I can't imagine using anything else right now. - Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
I do from shitty FAT flash drives that die after awhile. It was also on the home computer until my dad demanded his Micro$oft back. If I'm allowed to keep this laptop I'm using now, I'm going to do a format C:/ first thing and get some Debian on - Maxamad
I thought linux was open source (bows out cuz i'm clueless.) - MicahBear78
Tad, did you miss something? for eg? - directeur
Yeah, I was trying back in 2000 or so. Before OS X. I think people who like tinkering are fine with Linux. I just want my computer to WORK. I used to be a Mac power user back in OS 9 days and troubleshot stuff and did tech support. I'm tired of it. I just want to get shit done. - Spidra Webster
@Micah - SCO - they have ideas on that. :-) - Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
Micah, duh! I meant other open source softawre beside Linux, Like BSD and other apps (not kernel) - directeur
Linux because that's what I'm used to. - Bruce Lewis
I use gnu/linux/open-source-software for my work and personal needs. Linux is awesome. Especially it's fast and stable for my development needs. (PHP, Python/Django.) - Emre Yılmaz
Linux is great and all but it is still too complex for the average user, - Hunter
It just didn't do anything for me. I'm more comfortable in Windows and OSX. I make a living writing software on the .NET framework. I toyed with Ruby on Rails for a while, and learned a lot, but I also learned that I could only make about half of what I'm making as a c# developer... I just have no need for Linux. - Internet's Tad
I don't use Linux on the desktop because I don't consider gimp to be a sufficient replacement for Photoshop. That's the deal breaker. There are also other similar reasons that are less important. - Jason Wehmhoener
On the server I am quite fond of BSD, debian, and Solaris. - Jason Wehmhoener
I haven't found anything lacking in my OSX experience that I thought linux would have. I had considered a mythTV box for a while but boxee and plex have negated that need too. - dthree
Yes, everywhere...except my macbook pro at home - Bill Scherer
Yep, always, I use Linux on two flavours, Suse and Ubuntu. Unices in general are for people who value more broad networks and sharing to personal station and copyrights. - Thierry Lhôte
Not on the desktop. I like playing games. - Rodfather
i use for some reason like most security softwares (offensive security) work perfect on linux. and the desktops of linux? extremely cool =] on the other hand, i love graphical design stuffs and it's kinda meditation for me but most softwares i need does not work on linux yet. at least, not properly. also my graphic tablet does not work on linux. i can use it as a mouse but as a drawing tool i need pen pressure sensitivity and it does not work on linux. too bad =\ - emre dede ve haremi
I downloaded Ubuntu and installed it as dual boot with Vista, on a new Dell PC (with 2 hard drives). no issues. - Mike Nencetti
Of course. It's the only environment I've seen that I can optimize to my workflow, rather than vice-versa. It's simpler, better-engineered, and far more customizable. Sadly, the graphics stack is sub-par as are most of the games, so for play I still have to use Windows. - i80and
Mac is cool, Windows 7 is cool, but not fresh because overloaded with things and blahblah design we do not need for communication. Linux is still staying "fresh" even after hours of use. So LInux is best for intellectual work I presume. - Thierry Lhôte
I use Linux Mint almost exclusively at home (I only boot Windows to sync my iPhone, my kids' iPod Touches and my Zune - the iPod Nano and the Creative Zen get synced from Linux). I boot XP in VirtualBox occasionally to check things in IE6 or to use MS Office. I use quite a bit of other open-source software (free and paid). I am a big advocate of open-source and Linux. As long as I can... more... - Curtiss Grymala
I love me some Linux and Open Source. Why? Transparency, mainly. Plus the software is usually super streamlined and as a consequence is not very resource intense. And I really love running at like 5% processor power. - Miss Elle
Doh! My own answer! :) I use Linux (Debian Lenny) - I'm a kind of minimalist, I don't like to have to use gazzilions of apps (though linux haz dem too) But what I like more is that I am _aware_ of what's in my machine. I can do mostly anything that people do on other OSes (Now by anything I mean: do not compare apps, compare how we work and results of apps uses) And often I'm more... more... - directeur
Results aren't the only thing that matters. Efficiency is important as well when you are being paid by the hour. So is the ability to share files with colleagues. You can't completely dismiss the importance of apps. - Jason Wehmhoener
Jason, that's it actually (Posted my edit before) Sharing is easy for me. Why would it be hard? - directeur
I like the Apps and U/X on OS X desktop much better, but you know that already. - Cristo
directeur, I have some pretty complex PSDs. Can you edit them and send them back to me without messing them up? - Jason Wehmhoener
Yes, I know Cristo :) yet you still have the power of the CLI too on OSX - directeur
Yup, I use both, and ssh into a Linux server too. It's all good. I can imagine wanting to run Linux locally if you wanted to perfectly emulate your server on your desktop, but BSD on OS X is good enough for anything I need to do in that respect. - Cristo
Jason - you're absolutely right about the fact that Photoshop is much more powerful than any alternatives. However, you've also contradicted yourself by using PSD files as an example. Can you share those complex PSD files with your clients? Most likely not. You said being able to share was most important for you, but then you cited a proprietary format that is not available to the majority of computer users (no matter their operating systems). - Curtiss Grymala
Curtiss, if Jason and I wanted to work on the same PSD file, that would be sharing too, no? Giving files to clients is what Exporting and Save As is for. - Cristo
Cristo - If directeur and I wanted to share the same XCF file, that would be sharing, too, no? - Curtiss Grymala
I'd also like to answer for my Mom -- She loves Linux now that I've installed it on her desktop. I know her reason would be, "Because it just works." as the Puppy Linux LiveCD worked right off the boot-up and came with all the apps she ever wanted (well ... minus Skype ... but Gizmo was a good replacement). Also, she doesn't have to worry about malware, which consumed too many of her brain cycles. - Miss Elle
Cristo, I think he means openness. Why would you expect everyone to own a copy of photoshop or whatever? Moreover, I think the Gimp can import PSD files too - directeur
I did say "colleagues" and not "clients". I frequently share source format files with colleagues. (Colleagues who would laugh if I suggested they open an XCF using Gimp in order to do hourly paid design work) - Jason Wehmhoener
Curtiss, not many design shops not using Photoshop or Fireworks. directeur, I'm pretty sure Jason and I are on the same page with this. - Cristo
i just love linux and open source. - Mengu
Jason what's laughable about it? I run a business and we all use Inkscape and the Gimp :/ - directeur
The Boyfriend does not line OpenSource. He's a total MacFanboi. His reason against the FLOSS were that he wanted the perceived status that comes with owning Apple products. Well marketed, Apple. Well marketed, indeed. Especially since OS X looks an awful lot like Ubuntu. (I assume it is different under the hood.) - Miss Elle
Lots of gimp forum posts about errors with PSD files. directeur, you aren't working with my teammates. - Jason Wehmhoener
@directeur - GIMP can import PSD though some of the blends don't import quite right. - Miss Elle
Heh, thanks for the input Miss Elle! Linux doesn't have that kind of marketing, alas (or not?) - directeur
The fact of the matter remains, though, that a lot of the "shareability" depends entirely on what you do for a living. I can share PHP files with anyone, no matter what system they're using or which editor they're working with because it's an open standard. However, you can only share PSD files with other colleagues that use Photoshop. For that matter, if you have CS4 and you use all of... more... - Curtiss Grymala
You know what's interesting? OS X includes a LOT of open source code. - Jason Wehmhoener
If you think Linux looks like OS X, or that design shops use GIMP, then you aren't doing any pro design work. - Cristo
Jason, so does Linux too ;-) - directeur
Cristo you're definitely wrong! That's a genral statement by someone who apparently doesn't use this app a lot - directeur
This is really kind of a silly discussion. - Cristo
The GIMP is terrible at importing PSD files (especially with layers). However, PhotoShop isn't even capable (at least, out-of-the-box) of importing an XCF file. For that matter, it can't even import a PSP file, but Paint Shop Pro can fairly reliably import PSD files (it will rasterize vector elements, though - not implying that PSP is open-source, though). - Curtiss Grymala
I really like the BSD license, because it allows open source code to live in harmony with commercial efforts. And ya, the conversation is kinda silly. - Jason Wehmhoener
Well, let's be productive :) :re the conversation - directeur
No...You can't run Office on *NIX and for me that's a non-starter. - Alex Scoble
directeur, point us at a sample design of an entity that does most of their work in GIMP. - Cristo
Alex, we're not talking about apps, but about what you want to do and how to do it - directeur
I agree, directeur. Here's something productive for you - What does Adobe inDesign offer that's not available in Scribus? Very little. In fact, AFAIK, the only thing it doesn't offer that you can find in InDesign is a PMS matching system. - Curtiss Grymala
I also think the BSD/Apache licenses are vastly superior to GPL and it's copyleft offshoots. - Cristo
@Cristo - Though a LinuxLover at heart, I'll be the first to suggest that designers should use Apple. Apple seems to really nail the creative niche with its power to support graphic design, music, and movie softwares. I think there is enough room in the software world for a right fit for every need kind of thing and I'm not sure that Apple is always the right fit. Nor is Windows. Nor is Linux. - Miss Elle
Cristo, I bet any opensource community does... anyway. I'd like to focus of what people need to do and how they achieve it, comparing apps is well, just silly - directeur
Open source community projects generally suck at U/X design, particularly in the visual area. Sorry to be harsh, but it's the truth. - Cristo
You put MacPorts on OSX and you can build and run most open source apps. You can run X11 on OSX as well though its not exactly blazing fast. I have Mac, Linux and Windows boxes, Mac is best of most worlds so its my desktop now, Windows is for games, still have a Linux box I use remotely. I grew up on Unix and fled to Linux very early. Just got tired of Gnome/KDE nonsense, drivers not working right, especially audio. Open source just struggles doing desktop, GUI, Audio and consistent apps. - Ed Millard
There are actually a lot of design firms that use open-source tools to do their work. The overwhelming majority of artwork for major open-source projects (linux builds, etc.) is done with open-source tools. They don't all suck, Cristo. If they did, Windows and Mac wouldn't steal UI elements from Linux (yes, it works the other way, too, I know). - Curtiss Grymala
Miss Ellie, I agree. Linux is particularly good as a server OS or as a desktop that is doing server development. - Cristo
Why? because they don't look eye-candied à la Apple? Cristo? - directeur
directeur, because they look amateurish. - Cristo
I always thought X had something to do with UX issues in unix-land. programming for X seems complex compared to UI programming on windows and OS X. - Jason Wehmhoener
Although there are toolkits that would seem to help... - Jason Wehmhoener
Cristo, heh :) We will never agree, I think. - directeur
I use linux for my main computer. I also use Android for my mobile. I try and use open sourced projects whenever possible too. - Kevin Mohr
UX stands for user experience. UI stands for user interface. UX has nothing to do with the X window environment. - Curtiss Grymala
Seriously, guys, let's be productive tell me about usability. Not how cool apps look, My desktop (I don't have an actual desktop) is a black screen, no panels, no buttons, no menus, not even a wallpaper, nothing! and I do everything I need to do - directeur
Android is Apache 2, the superior license. - Cristo
I always thought the Windows 95-esque GUI for Linux was because most of the apps are written by coders who, as code monkies, aren't very visually oriented individuals - Miss Elle
Miss Elle, I agree, and I wondered "why aren't some visually oriented individuals improving the situation?" and I think it's because it takes too much damn code to make a Linux UI. - Jason Wehmhoener
Curtiss, I'm not sure Jason was implying there was a connection, other than the X windowing server may be used to implement the Linux user experience. - Cristo
Miss Elle - what desktop environment and window manager are you using with linux? Not everything resembles Windows 95. In fact, KDE has a very slick look, especially when combined with the right window manager. - Curtiss Grymala
directeur, i do a lot of things that cannot be done via CLI. Sorry, it's just a fact. - Jason Wehmhoener
Linux UI? Please stop these idées-reçues! The Linux desktop has changed since the 90's a LOT! @Jason, I'm using X with ratpoison, not only the CLI :) - directeur
I'm never going to use an acronym for "user experience" again. gah. - Jason Wehmhoener
directeur, you're correct. I'm not going to switch from using OS X, which I love to use., to using Linux which I find amateurish from a U/X point of view. I'm not suggesting anyone stop using Linux as their desktop either. - Cristo
Cristo, that's your right and you have answered your and this thread's question :) — "amateurish" is not an answer. It's a statement. Don't expect me to agree, think whatever you want :) - directeur
Nothing I say is ever meant to be anything other than my opinion, unless I claim it as fact. :) - Cristo
I use windows and some open source software. Why because I'm familiar with windows tools,and used visual studio for years- I got sick of makefiles for complex library builds, dependencies, etc - Mark Essel from iPhone
Sorry for the misunderstanding, Jason. I thought you were implying that the "X" in UX was the problem, and relating that to the X graphic environment. My fault. Also, as I mentioned, I agree with you guys about PhotoShop (and I feel the same way about MS Office), but I was just trying to point out that you can't dismiss things out-of-hand just because you don't use them. - Curtiss Grymala
I am using Gnome one one machine and KDE on the other. And while I've found ways to apply beautiful themes, that still doesn't save AbiWord or Blender or Gxine or Mplayer or a host of other apps interfaces which are stuck somewhere between Win95 and Win3.1. kPDF, on the other hand, does a good job, I think. - Miss Elle
Curtiss, I actually think it's really cool that some folks use open source exclusively for design. I'm actually a little jealous, but my priorities are such that I can't get hung up on it. I use the tools I need to use to work with the people I want to work with. - Jason Wehmhoener
Not sure I would say its amatuerish, inconsistent is probably a better word. There just aren't good standards and its to easy for open source coders to wander all over the map designing inconsistent UI, inconsistent hotkeys, drag and drop integration not working right etc. Apple has Interface Builder which is a dream to develop UI in, its why their apps tend to be consistent and good. If you stay within in Gnome or KDE apps the inconsistency isnt so bad but its just not as good as OSX. - Ed Millard
For a really long time (pre vista) I had a dual boot of xp and freeBSD. I used windows for school projects where i was just too busy and lazy to work with programs that said they were Office/win compatible, but came out garbled on my un-computer friendly professor's pc. But I also remember every time I had a final paper due, win would crap out and I'd have to go into the linux partition... more... - InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
That I understand, Miss Elle. As Ed just mentioned, it's more about inconsistency, actually. Depending on the apps you use, you can find the same phenomenon among closed-source, paid applications in Windows. - Curtiss Grymala
Someone should make an open source Interface Builder like app. - Jason Wehmhoener
Something like Glade? Jason? - directeur
I don't know enough about Glade to compare it to IB. Has anyone else used both? - Jason Wehmhoener
Jason - I completely understand. I am fortunate enough to have CS4 for work, but if it wasn't provided, I'd have no choice but to use free, open-source apps, as there's no way I could afford to buy CS4 out of my own pocket. That's why I try to keep up to date with those apps (in case I ever end up at a different job without CS4 at my disposal). Granted, I'm not a designer, but I do have to work with designers regularly. - Curtiss Grymala
I think Qt/KDE has an interface designer but I haven't used it enough to say how good it is. Apple did just about everything right in Interface Builder. As long as Linux has so many different desktops, window managers, audio API's, GUI toolkits its just not going to be very friendly to app developers or your average end user. The whole KDE versus GNOME thing really messes it up as a desktop OS and makes it too fragmented. - Ed Millard
@Curtiss -- I've noticed that, too. Again I think it is a case of "good coder, bad at GUI", but that OpenSource seems to encourage everyone to code it if they can think it. Whereas for the closed source operating systems there is typically a team working on the software and one member of the team is usually a GUI designer. When it is a volunteer team, as I've seen often with FLOSS, there is not that guarantee of a GUI designer having an input. - Miss Elle
That's absolutely true, Miss Elle. As independent coders/developers, it can be extremely difficult to find designers that are willing to work for free. If we can't monetize our product (which is entirely possible with open-source, it's just extremely rare), we can't pay a designer. That's why we generally end up designing things ourselves (note - I am not a desktop application developer, I am a Web app developer, but the principle still applies). - Curtiss Grymala
over 100 comments in an hour? - Mike Nencetti
We better stop, otherwise people might think Friendfeed's not dead. :) - Curtiss Grymala
:P Like your input, guys! :) Even people who don't agree with me #lookingAtCristo - directeur
I had a flirting with Unix/Linux when I was in high-school. Then I got my first programming job and it was on Windows... And from that point on it was Windows. It's just what most corporate businesses environments use for the kind of applications that I write. So it makes sense for me to use Windows and not Linux. And I'm more comfortable doing so. I see no reason to switch. - Her Lindsay-ness
(Should be inserted into the discussion, above.) In all fairness to Scribus, when I was Yearbook Adviser (I'm a teacher), we did our entire yearbook in Scribus and it looked just as good as the Adobe InDesign books. I turned out a whole staff of 30 kiddos trained in Scribus who are still using Scribus to this day. (I left that school for another that already had a Yearbook Adviser.) - Miss Elle
Lindsay, why "switch"? Why not use and exepriement, maybe you'll be able to do different tasks better on an OS or another — I mean, give things a try. Or aren't you interested at all? :) - directeur
Yes. I use Crunchbang on the Old Beast (desktop). I have used Linux Mint and Ubuntu previously. Linux seems to work better on the older machine than XP does. - Steven Perez
I don't use Linux, but I do use a lot of open source software (esp., Firefox, GIMP, OpenOffice). - John (a.k.a. dendroica)
I do enjoy some of the shared freedom of open source, and web programming. I'm not trapped by 14 years of libraries and portability issues with scala, php or other platform independent tools. I've heard scala/java is actually competitive with c++ for some numerical applications but I have yet to witness this first hand (it's always been slower in my experience) - Mark Essel from iPhone
I use Ubuntu on most machines - my PC and HTPC at home, and my laptop at work. At home I mostly use Firefox, Pidgin and GIMP with UFRaw (which I find perfectly adequate for my personal photography). At work I do software design and development, with Evolution for accessing email from Exchange, and Java and Eclipse as the dev environment. Most of the team has switched over to Ubuntu in recent months because it's faster and more stable than Windows for the work we're doing. - Edward Coffey
Thanks to this thread, I'm going to check out Scribus. - Jason Wehmhoener
@directeur -- Not that you asked, but one of the things I'm doing to help the FLOSS movement is writing non-technical guides or tutorials for how to do basic functions on the software I use. I find that there is a general lack of 8th-grade-level documentation for programs which is why most people aren't adventurous. And it is a small way of giving back since I am not an artist nor a... more... - Miss Elle
Glad it helped, Jason! Folks, I really appreciated that this thread didn't turn into a flame war. Thanks a lot! :) - directeur
I started using Linux around '98. It was fun. I tried a lot of different distros. However, I ended up working in a Microsoft world and began to focus on just using MS. While futzing around and rebuilding my OS was entertaining, I stopped doing that when I also got into gaming. Didn't have the space or money to run dual boot or multi-machines and by the time I did well... my only foray... more... - Arlan Koizumi
Yay! As someone who started out using Pagemaker 4 (and then onto 6.5, then to InDesign), I can say that Scribus is extremely impressive. Also, I felt I should clarify my statement about MS Office earlier. MS Word is really the only Office component I think is much better than open-source alternatives. The rest of Office is either matched or exceeded by open-source software. - Curtiss Grymala
Miss Elle, I HIGHLY respect people like you! Code is a good thing, "educating" people is better IMHO. Thanks for all your work! - directeur
That's awesome and enviable, Miss Elle. I've been tempted to do the same, but never really had enough ambition to follow through. - Curtiss Grymala
StarOffice was awesome. I loved it. I tried getting into GIMP but man, it took a while (and still does >_>). - Arlan Koizumi
I like Eclipse too. That is a great open source app. Doubt many Windows developers use and it unfortunately doesn't do Objective C yet so its not good for Cocoa development on iPhone and Mac yet. If you do Java or C/C++ its awesome across Linux, Mac and Window. - Ed Millard
Eclipse is great. - Jason Wehmhoener
@Arlan -- StarOffice was awesome. I actually really like OO.o 3.x series. I feel like it is getting back to what I wanted from an office suite. Have you checked it out lately? - Miss Elle
Open Office is great, it just fails too often if you have to exchange writable docs with people using Word, or at least is has every time I've used it, the formatting always gets mess up, though maybe I'm a bad doc writter. If you just need to produce PDF's it is great. - Ed Millard
Miss Elle, I might have but it would've been in the Neo Office conversion for Mac. There were a few things that bugged me. I haven't installed much on my Eee PC since getting Ubuntu on there as I mainly used it for social network monitoring, but I'll be sure to give it a looksie. - Arlan Koizumi
For docs, call me an idiot, an old guy or anything, but I think that LaTeX is a very good choice. It's the perfect app which clearly separates content from the form/style. OpenOffice and MS Office do that too, but I really do think that documents rendered with LaTeX are superior in quality. Let alone the ease of exchange, we're talking about simple text files which can be edited anywhere with anything - directeur
I had problems in Neo Office with docs with complex layouts (like my resume) but regular letters translated perfectly between NO and Word. Oh yeah, heard good stuff about LaTex but never tried it. - Arlan Koizumi
Until OOO properly supports comments and tracked changes, I will still not be able to use it regularly (we use tracked changes for everything at work, and they are an extremely useful feature). I would love to, but I just can't without support for tracked changes. - Curtiss Grymala
Holden, I guess your professor expects a printed doc, right? Also, if you can make your professor smarter, do it! You know in almost any good university some profs often require thesis rendered with LaTeX :) - directeur
As my last word on this subject for the night, you guys should check out http://zwopper.deviantart.com/gallery... While they are all wallpapers, Zwopper does all of his artwork exclusively in the GIMP, and actually does a pretty nice job with quite a few of them. - Curtiss Grymala
@directeur -- My problem with LaTeX was that I never could get it to render into PDF and could never find useful documentation written for my understanding level. - Miss Elle
Absolutelly, Curtis! They're gorgeous! - directeur
Miss Elle, that should be easy actually, do you have pdflatex? - directeur
I don't have nearly as much patience for dicking around with my computer as I used to. Windows works, and when it doesn't, I know how to make it work. i've taken time to learn some linux things, but I just don't have time/patience - Richard Lawler
I've been using Linux as my primary desktop and development environment for a decade now. I could never use Mac OS X or Windows as my primary environment any more. They just don't feel right to me. Linux installs are easier than Windows installs for me and trouble shooting is easier. Some things don't work for me now that I wish did (like using my bluetooth headphones), but everything... more... - Travis B. Hartwell
I use Linux on my home workstation. At work, I use it also as my main workstation, OSX on my laptop, and centos/redhat for the production servers. I'm a big supporter of open source. - imabonehead
Mac OS X didn't really exist a decade ago (unless you used a NeXT machine). It's more honest to just say you're not interested in exploring it or that refined U/X is not the most important issue for you. - Cristo
U/X is not good for me on OS X. There's something -- hard to pinpoint -- I don't know, "fussy" about the UI. I don't like it. I don't care how "refined" it is, or how much usability testing it's a product of. - Christopher A Carr
No argument that it's not for everyone. But using it doesn't mean you don't appreciate Unix or open source either. - Cristo
Ed: I've spent many hours on OS X. I'm used to it. To be "used to" OS X isn't necessarily to love the OS X UI, as Cristo might assume to be the case... - Christopher A Carr
What am I assuming? I don't follow this. - Cristo
I do Ubuntu. Plus I run a whole lot of open source software on Windows. I even like how the Wine compatibility layer allows me to run my Windows programs under Linux (there's a script called winetricks that imports your existing Windows programs' settings into the Wine registry, allowing you to run them without having to reinstall). I was going to triple boot my Dell with FreeDOS, but it (the Dell) is powerful enough that I can just run it emulated under either Windows or Linux. - Dennis Jernberg
Cristo: I get the impression that you suppose that OS X's UI is so wonderful, that if one doesn't care for it, they must simply not be familiar with it. ...just a guess on my part. - Christopher A Carr
This is a linux house for everything but the direct-tv dvr (which may also be linux for all I know), and we are using Ubuntu as the distro of choice. Well, more like that's what I installed, so that's what everyone is using. - Grant Bierman
Christohper, no, I don't assume that. You might have mistaken my response to another commenter as meaning that though. I've seen UI disagreements since the early 80s, so I have no illusions about people having different tastes and biases. In fact, arguments for or against things like the menu bar at the top of the Mac desktop vs menus on windows as many other UIs have grown very... more... - Cristo
no adobe cs for linux - minus-one
Yes, I use FLOSS. No, Linux is not my primary OS - LANjackal
I use GNU/Linux because my work is done on a computer and I need a reliable operating system for that. Another reason is that my OS (I'm using ubuntu) is out-of-the-box, everything works (internet, printer, etc). Third reason, I can adapt my OS to my needs. Fourth reason, I like to keep my options open and GNU/Linux allows me to have all my contents in open formats, this way I feel more secure about accessing those contents in the future. - paula simoes ☃
Everything I've heard tells me that macs are great,I'd love one. But I simply can't afford one that's recent enough to have the capabilities I want. So I dual boot Windows and Mint. Similarly I'm sure Photoshop CS4 is better than GIMP, but for a home user it's ridiculously expensive. The latest versions of Elements and PSP also cost more than I'm able to spend (it's that or prints). It's all as simple as that. As WINE improves the advantages of paying for Windows are decreasing as well. - grraargh
@grraargh I had a mac, some years ago, I had so many problems (mostly hardware) I decided to never have a mac again - paula simoes ☃
well, i've been running free software only, specially gnu/linux for about 11 years,since i get in touch with it when i was working on Lisbon Expo98 world fair; they were using it as mail and web server and it really worked so well that i thought that i had to try (they were using red hat 5.0/5.2) since i like to be different ;) i choose to install SuSE; but what i really liked was it's philosophy, since than i'm a huge fan of Free Livre Software. My favorite Distro, Debian :) - ovigia
Sometimes..! I like Microsoft Applications usually. - ★ Soner Gönül
I do. GNU/Linux is simply the most powerful OS out there, and that's the main reason. Besides, I prefer free software because it's the best software model there is :-) - Marcos Marado
I have been using it for the better part of 9 years. When I first started using it I loved that you really had to get your hands dirty to make every thing to work just right. At the time I thought of it (FreeBSD 4.6) as the most stable programing platform and things like writing my own CVS file and compiling a Kernel for sound were a lot of fun. Later as I started playing with Linux... more... - J. Abdul-Qahhar
Linux is my primary OS. It's the PC that runs my Livingroom entertainment center and my family has adapted to it very well. My wife uses it to surf and handle business and my kids uses it to play games and watch movies...I use it to blog :) - Anthony Farrior
Use Ubuntu and test out its alphas/betas almost every day. - Manuel Mas
My HP laptop has some horrible WiFi problems that lead the machine to lock up. I successfully fixed it on Vista and I haven't been able to make it work on Linux yet. I run a Linux VM for development so I'm happy enough. - Daniel J. Pritchett
Yes both at work and at home - Ubuntu for desktop and laptop. We use as much open source software as we can - Firefox, Opera, DeskNow, OpenOffice.org, Gimp, Joomla and MaiaCMS (our programmer wrote & release to os community), Our close to 300 public computers are also running a version of Linux (http://groovix.com/) - why? Because we believe in giving our customers the best but also... more... - Mlibrarianus
@Mlibrarianus little correction: Opera is not open source, as well as DeskNow. - Artemko
started learning linux years ago after finding webhosts were cheaper than winnt, and got some personal servers running with debian since it seemed compatible with most any old hardware. now using ubuntu for desktop since it includes recent software versions, and installation and upgrading are a breeze. for anyone that thinks linux desktop looks bad, check out screen shots of the latest visual options http://personal.utulsa.edu/~stuart... - Mike Chelen
I use linux at home and work. Ubuntu on my desktop and laptop. - Necati Demir
I use Ubuntu on the desktop. Have been for several years now. The latest releases have smoothed out most of the user experience glitches, and hardware support mostly just works (it is now frequently the case that Linux supports hardware out-of-the-box where Windows requires a dodgy driver). I find OpenOffice sufficient for most of my needs re: an office suite, but frankly I don't use it... more... - Michael R. Bernstein
Again thank you all for your comments, folks! Really nice to see people with different OSes discuss this subject in such a civilised way! (Which -won't we all agree?- is a rare thing) :) - directeur
I don't use linux because of software compatibility issues (most of my mission-critical apps would have to be reinstalled and there's no compelling reason to do so). I use tons of open source stuff in Windows XP, though. Probably 70% of the software I use is open source, just not the OS. - Steve Lynch from twhirl
Don't remember if I commented or not (and I'm too lazy to dig through 150 comments), but I use Linux mainly on servers. I do have a desktop environment on most of them that I'll use on occasion (I'm partial to KDE). But for the most part, I don't use Linux on the desktop. I run Mac OSX primarily, with a bevy of Open Source apps: Adium, Firefox, Cyberduck, Colloquy and OpenOffice are just a few I use regularly. - Jason Huebel
I always do a Ctrl-F search for "- You" to see if I'm in on a thread ;) - Daniel J. Pritchett
Jason, you'll know if you commented or not if it shows up in your My discussions, or if you liked it, whether it shows up in your comments. - Cristo
I'm browsing the Best of Day list. I didn't "Like", but sometimes I forget to. - Jason Huebel
I run an Ubuntu VM on my macbook pro, but OSX is the primary desktop. On the server, it's Linux all the way. Love open source, but like OSX more. - Deepak Singh
@directeur - just saw your response to my comment and to answer your question: I have so many side projects and things going on with Windows development I don't have the time or energy to devote to the learning curve of another OS. Basically I can't even stand OSX and get majorly frustrated whenever I have to do anything on Tad's or Avynn's Macs, so I figure Linux is out of the... more... - Her Lindsay-ness
This question is very much like asking why you live in a brick apartment building in the city rather than in a log cabin in the woods. My first computer ran Windows 98 and I got used to things being a certain way. My second computer ran WinME and had a very short life, so i took my WinME and installed it on the older computer (it's still running it, and quite stable, although painfully... more... - April Russo (app103)
B-Boy & Daniel: check out the cleaner friendfeed script http://userstyles.org/styles... (via http://friendfeed.com/friendf...) which highlights your own comments making them easier to notice quickly - Mike Chelen
April: thankfully though there is a standard method to install most any software in linux within a few minutes, for free, then have it automatically updated if you like it, or uninstall and move on to the next. there is a lot of good software available, gedit is one example (check out all the useful options if you haven't already), though finding which is best suited to you can take time - Mike Chelen
None of the special purpose signmaking programs like Flexisign run under Linux, thus my workplace uses Windows. I tried Linux on my desktop, it offered me no advantage, and couldn't run the Hipihi, Novoking, or uWorld, or hardly any of the interesting software I read about. Inkscape, probably Linux's best vector illustration program, can't even use an eps file. - SuezanneC Baskerville
Andy Bakun
Why is twitter a better platform? Most of your followers only have one tweet, which means they're _listeners_. Finally, you can get a word in edgewise, and your ideas will be heard.
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No other platform has as many documented listeners on it. Other sites claim it, but you can get up to 6 emails per day, or more, showing you that someone else with just one tweet has started following, bringing another obvious hardcore listener into your flock. - Andy Bakun
And now all those listeners will be able to listen easier with bing and google integration. - Andy Bakun
Really? They're all listeners? Then what is there to hear that is said? </deep_yoda_moment> - Maxamad
people mostly seem to listen to themselves on Twitter. - Joe Silence is not dead
It's not better...it's just more popular than friendfeed...Then again Facebook is more popular than Twitter. - Alex Scoble
Because everyone loves a monologue... - Fossil Huntress
you know, I haven't paid much attention to twitter lately, because, as I was discussing with a friend earlier; I once wished I could read minds, then twitter came along and told me what people were really thinking... Now I'm just glad I can't read people's minds because listening to people talk about themselves is annoying at best.... - InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
I wonder how many one-tweet bots are subscribed to other one-tweet bots. - Andy Bakun
Katie: Witch Of The West
Monty Python celebrates 40 years of silliness - CNN.com - http://www.cnn.com/2009...
Monty Python celebrates 40 years of silliness - CNN.com
"It's been a Monty Python world lately -- and we're not even talking about the absurdity and silliness of current events, such as balloon boys and confessional celebrities. No, it's a Python world on TV, with the lads being showcased in an multipart IFC documentary -- which started this week -- and re-airing of their classic TV episodes and movies." - Katie: Witch Of The West from Bookmarklet
Not dead yet. - Brian Sullivan
Wow! Monty python is making a zombie movie? Oh that's how they really look now... Well, never mind. - InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
Laura B smileogenic
I haz a ________.
whisky - Glen Campbell
problemz with my zpell check. - Steve is older than ever
pocket full 'a rubberz and my homeboyz do too - Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
rumbly in my tumbly - Ha3rvey (more more more)
egg salad sandwich. - Rochelle
pocket full 'a stones. - B. Hatin
been dere! - directeur
money to give away! (you do right?) - Sir Shuping
LOL. Let me showz u it. - Ernie Oporto from Nambu
Bunz.... ooh no I don't. - Amit Morson
COFFEE! NOW! - Jim Hearts FF
CHEEZEBURGER! - Alex Scoble
haz. now iz stuk in loop. - Josh Haley
Uncooperative Oracle instanz - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Hole in my pocket. - Amit Morson
gunz, youz haz dee brewz. nowz youz gotz two choicez of whatz youz can dooz. itz notz a tough decision az you can see, i canz blow you awayz or youz can ridez wif me. - Morgan Haley
memez - Will Higgins™
dayum, Morgan, way to LOL-up the Beasties. +++ - Josh Haley
MT bag of popcornz :( - Vicky
cold - Kenton
GREAT LIFE!! - Lisa L. Seifert
i haz beezteez - Morgan Haley
an awesome vacation! - David Cook
lot of emails to answer tonight - Abigail
LOLcat. - Steven Perez
speech inpediment. - MicahBear78
big educational debt - InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
green...ahem, APPLE green Dell Inspiron Mini 9. It arrived today. - MiniMage, sheeple of FF
big ol' butt? - .LAG liked that
jobz. - imabonehead
pair of balls in a world full of castrated MoFos. <Pissed off> - Parth Awasthi
*bumping* - Laura B smileogenic
LONG WEEKEND! - AJ Batac
haz. still stuck in loopz. - Josh Haley
head of frizzy hair, because I haven't tried to do much with it since hitting the beach Saturday afternoon. - MiniMage, sheeple of FF
wet feet from walking in the rain :) - martha
CAPS LOCK BUTTON! - CAJ, somewhere else
reached the bottom of the page and here youz a iz a soze a now I muz a refresh - L Stephen Cleary
DAY! OFF! - Jim Hearts FF
coffee jonz that has me shakin' like a meth addict. - MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS
Amani
So I am trying to figure out the best way for me to stream TV/Movies from my laptop to my TV wirelessly. How can I do this? I have a MacBook Pro, XBox 360 (wired to the router so far), PS3 (wired/wireless), Samsung TV (will get model # when I get home), as well as a Sharp Aquos TV in vicinity as well and a Wii. What can I do?? Help me. The most...
I have a Linksys router. - Amani
Connect 360 works, but the Xbox is kind of loud - Robert Hafer
OK. Anything else. I am wondering about some of those cool devices/systems they were talking about on the podcast. - Amani
I have this & it works damn good.... http://www.themediamall.com/playon - Jason Williams
playon is windows only though. there's really no easy & free dlna software for mac? there's gotta be something. - Richard Lawler
Totally missed the MacBook Pro part, hmm.... (well either way, Amani add me on 360, lol - JDubeous) - Jason Williams
ok, I'll add you. thanks. - Amani from IM
XMBC might be the way to go since you have a mac and a 360. - chrisofspades
the only issue is my 360 is not connected to my newer Samsung TV. :( it is connected to the Sharp Aquos TV. - Amani from IM
apple tv, then? - chrisofspades
I heard on the podcast that apple TV isn't a good solution. - Amani from IM
hmm...perhaps a network hard drive that streams? such as this: http://www.wdc.com/en.... FYI I zero experience with these things but I've been looking for a solution myself and also have a macbook pro. - chrisofspades
that is ok chris. we can learn together. Alex - any ideas?? Where is carlos or Josh?? - Amani from IM
first I need a new TV hehe. but I have a few more requirements out of a settop box than you do. also I don't a gaming console. - chrisofspades
Hi Amani..here are two very simple choices for the PS3 + Mac..one is free...the other costs money. Free: PMS...give is a shot : http://code.google.com/p... the other is to use the NAS that i am using...WD ShareSpace..i have the 4TB model: http://www.wdc.com/en... - Carlos Ayala
If you are just streaming movies off your MBP and they are h.264, the AppleTV is fine and relatively cheap. Plus, it basically sets itself up. The podcast was wrong. - Kevin Pedraja
Carlos - wow, that is a nice looking machine. It doubles as a hard drive as well? Does it matter if I don't have a PC and just laptops? Also, what if I wanted to stream something to my TV upstairs (A Sharp Aquos TV) what else would I need? I am wondering if I have Direct TV DVR in my living room, can I stream something to my TV upstairs? - Amani from IM
careful with those external hard drives / "Home Network Storage " devices, even from WD...if they dont say DLNA certified..dont bother. - Carlos Ayala
this one says DLNA 1.5 certified. - Amani from IM
so DLNA works better with PS3's than UPnP? I'm finding a lot of software options Amani: http://www.joystiq.com/2007..., but these are based on UpnP - chrisofspades
yes,,its a much more than a hard drive. its smart. its a true network storage device....it will automatically backup files...it comes RAID 5 out of the box for true redundancy...which means if a drive fails....put in another and it will rebuild itself.you mark a folder or folders on your computer and it will automatically back it up 24 hours a day. all your devices on your network can talk to it. - Carlos Ayala
What is UpnP? (I am learning on the fly here). Carlos - Could my 360 and PS3 read things off the same device? - Amani
@chrisofspades i plugged my WD into the network...ran the cd for the backup program....mark one folder for backups...turned on my PS3...and there it was. 5 minutes total. only because i decided to run the cd. - Carlos Ayala
i can speak about the 360. i dont have one. - Carlos Ayala
Upnp is Universal Plug and Play. Its designed to do what DLNA does. PlayON, for instance, is a upnp server. ive had issues with upnp. never with dlna. - Carlos Ayala
sounds like WD has a couple of options: Sharespace that Carlos linked to and My Book World edition that I linked. only difference seems to be capacity. - chrisofspades
@chrisofspades see my note above about DLNA and "Home Network Storage " devices - Carlos Ayala
$800 for that device Carlos posted. Hmmm ... Seems like a nice one. I would love if this one could stream stuff to all my TV's in my home. Is that possible? - Amani from IM
Amani....give PMS a shot...its tricky to setup..but once its going its good. i stream stuff wirelessly from my macbook and mbp to it when i dont feel like turning on my windows workstation and running playon or tversity. - Carlos Ayala
shop around for it Amani. i paid 450 for it. - Carlos Ayala
some more software solutions here, using DLNA and PS3: http://rolfje.wordpress.com/2009... - chrisofspades
@chrisofspades "TwonkyMedia" is just that twonky. i did not like it at all. the other two are $20 and $40 respectively. PMS works and its free. your mileage may vary - Carlos Ayala
as far as streaming to all your TVs Amani, if you have a game console attached to each one, then conceivably it would work since they all seem to support DLNA/UPnP. except maybe the wii. - chrisofspades
@Carlos haha. I'm just using google here. no personal experience with any of this. - chrisofspades
$450 ... hmm... that is pretty good. Carlos - can it help me with all my TV's? - Amani from IM
only if you have a ps3 connected to it as far as i know Amani - Carlos Ayala
@chrisofspades i know i am just putting it out there. not dissing you or anything. its all good man. - Carlos Ayala
i need to go take care of a few things..i will try to make it to tonights show..we can chat then if not DM me whenever you want or just post here and i will follow up. Good luck fellas. - Carlos Ayala
who said anything about dissing? *looks around* I just mentioned that cuz your view is more valid since you have experience w/ it - chrisofspades
thanks carlos. i will do more research and get back to you. Anyone else other there with ideas/tips.? this is great so far - Amani from IM
Amani, video of the WD My Book World Edition working on the 360: http://www.wdc.com/global.... I *think* that you would get the same thing out of the ShareSpace. - chrisofspades
and Carlos says it works flawlessly on the PS3. sounds good to me. - chrisofspades
so in addition to this, it sounds like I need to have a device hooked up to each TV to stream to it, right? Can a device be something else besides a gaming device? - Amani from IM
yes, you would need some type of device, and I assume any device that supports DNLA or UPnP would work. not sure what other devices do, though. - chrisofspades
gotta run but I'll be back in here later. - chrisofspades
I have Connect360 installed but haven't tested it out with the 360 yet, But both EyeConnect (have had it installed a long time) and PS3 Media Server (just installed and tested it) run fine on the Mac and access is clean from the PS3. You'll get better quality going direct from your laptop to TV (and less software and protocol hassles). With the little testing I've done, PS3 Media Server (free) is more configurable and less finicky than EyeConnect ($). - LogEx
In general, the PS3 will be more friendly to the Mac due to the emphasis on MPEG4 / h.264 support on both platforms. But you do need to consider where your content is coming from, i.e., what format(s) are your movies in? Mac Handbrake is great for converting movies into h.264, with settings for AppleTV, PS3, etc. One drawback to a network disk is that you'll presumably process movies on... more... - LogEx
I don't know about TV. But to stream movies to the TV, I stream movies/music to my PS3 through Vuze. Works like a dream. Sorry if somebody already suggested this. - Kamath (नमः)
My older macbook came with an adapter that I use for my projector and my TV. Did they stop including this? It works for streaming and anything on my mac. I just went through this for a friend I sold my monitor and tv to, I'll see if I can dig up the links. - InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
Here is a link to the TV I have. http://www.samsung.com/us... Samsung LN 52B750. Says the tv is DNLA certified if that helps. Any other ideas? - Amani
that's exactly my tv. cool - Josh Haley
An AppleTV will work with all kinds of content if you add Boxee - Robert Hafer
So Robert if I get an Apple TV say for my TV in the bedroom(upstairs), could I stream stuff that is on my Network (Direct TV DVR, or my MacBook Pro, PS3 or Xbox 360) that is all downstairs? And Josh - sweet TV, no? Do you stream any stuff to it? - Amani
Yes, the Boxee hack (a very easy hackhttp://forum.boxee.tv/forumdi... ) lets you identify where your media is and the play it. A fast wireless connection is required for smooth playback of HD content. - Robert Hafer
Yeah the tv is amazing. I have been playing with DLNA options recently and the first thing I noticed is that the tv doesn't like to playback files hosted by anything but it's own Samsung dlna host software (on the disc I'd downloadable for free). Once I had that installed the treaming was not bad at all. BUT the whole playback interface and system that is built into the tv is pretty mediocre compared to the likes of xbmc. BUT it is a quick way to get things up and running, for sure. - Josh Haley
unless Apple tv has changed to be able to display full 1080p, I don't think our podcast was wrong about it. - Josh Haley
I am also wondering if I get the NAS Carlos described above and then use my old Acer laptop for upstairs with my bedroom TV, could that take care of streaming to that TV. That would avoid me having to purchase apple TV. Then I could use the PS3 to stream to the main Samsung TV and the X360 to stream to the Sharp TV in the adjacent room. Hmmm ... and now for the TV in the kitchen....... more... - Amani
Any dedicated computer directly attached to a TV will give you the best results / most options. Many free open source options are available. - Robert Hafer
Chris (or anyone else), any other ideas? I have a Laptop I am getting reformatted to use with my upstairs TV. I am going to get the WD Sharespace for my entire network. Then I have PS3 for one TV, Xbox 360 for another TV and laptop for the 3rd tv. Makes sense right? - Amani
sounds like that would do the trick, Amani - chrisofspades from email
Part 1 is complete. I have the laptop that has been successfully reformatted. Now I have to get the NAS (for cheap) and then tie everything together. Also need to figure out how to get my HD Direct TV DVR on this network. - Amani
PS3 will give you the best HD picture of the equipment you mentioned above. I use it with a Buffalo NAS to stream to Samsung TV. It works great. Buffalo NAS also has direct BT download capability and I can stream movies from my NAS to my iPhone. - Todd Bouey
Todd- How much space does your NAS have? I am trying to find a good deal on a 4TB one but have had bad luck so far ... - Amani
I got the 4TB Linkstation Quad and although I bought it on sale at Fry's, out the door it cost about the same as it would have online. Ease of return however was a good thing since the 1st model I brought home was faulty. It works fine as a server and has an interface for both PC and Mac, some of the "features" don't work as well as one might like, but then I guess these are not core server functions so I'm not overly disappointed in this respect. Customer service is pretty spotty though. - Todd Bouey
Looks like I am going to have to break down and pay $700 for mine. Can't find it online anywhere for cheaper. Maybe I can find a 10% off best buy coupon. - Amani
It has arrived. I will be installing it shortly. Wish me luck. - Amani
Alp
Alp
Which OS (operating system) are you using? (for research purpose)
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Windows 7 ! I love it :) - Farshad
win. xp - Müjdat Korkmaz
Ubuntu Jackalope - (I'm an ex-Gentooer, too) - Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Leopard! - Piero Tagliapietra
Now xp but usually ubuntu. - bilge kagan
7 on win, leopard on mac. - vijay
xp-vista - Tamkarışık
Osx - Stefigno
Ubuntu 9.04 - Matteo
şu anda xp ama proje dönemleri dışında ubuntu ve pardus da kullanıyorum.. - ♪♫ halil ♪♫
Tiger - Andrew Roche
Ubuntu 9.04, the "system" that starts with "W" makes me sick. - Oskar NRK
windows XP - 士慷
Right now - iPhone 2.somethinorother. I have OS X 10.5, Windows XP, Windows 7, and Ubuntu 9.04 all at my disposal in the other room. - Aaron Hood from BuddyFeed
Windows XP, but only because that is what came on this thing and I'm escared to completely format the drive. - Joe Pierce
OsX 10.5.6 - ialla
Win7 and Pardus Linux - Arda Çetin
Windows Vista. - Alp
Ubuntu 9.04 - Alejandro
Windows 7 RC, of course - Jemm
Windows Vista at home XP at work - Shey, Jamaican of FF
XP Pro - Alfredo
XP at work, Vista at Home - RAPatton
Vista, OSX and Win7 - Carlos Ayala
xp and slitaz linux - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
XP at work and at home. - Alex Scoble
xp, OEL at work. Leopard for personal stuff - Kiran Patchigolla
OS X. - Parth Awasthi
Work: Ubuntu, OSX. Home: Debian, Vista, OSX - Steve Lacey
XP, Suse and Fedora - dstamand
OS X, Mac OS 8, Mac OS 7, WinXP, various Linux - LogEx
osX, Debian on the server. - InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
XP on netbook. Ubuntu 9.04, Android, and Windows 7 RC1 in VirtualBox on netbook. Windows 7 on desktop. Vista on work laptop. OSX on Macbook. - Rodfather
XP - Dee S.
XP:) - nursel
OSX. - Joey Gibson
OS X, XP - Mike Nayyar
WinXP, sometimes Win7 and Debian in VMs - bnoise
Vista on one of my laptops, XP on another. 3 other computer at home uses Vista and one more uses XP. We have 8 computers :) - Svartling
At-this-very-moment: Vista. Today? OSX 10.5, OSX 10.4, Ubuntu 8.something, Windows 7, Windows XP. - Jennifer Dittrich
Windows 7 but I wish adobe apps could run on ubuntu - Justin Beausoleil
Windows 7 - Matti Leppänen
XP, Win 7 Beta at home and Win 2003 Server at work. - CAJ, somewhere else
I run XP, OSX, Vista, and Win7 - andy brudtkuhl
XP and Vista. - Mark H
XP @ home and @ work - Kim
Right now, Mac OS. A fairly even mix of Windows, Linux, and IOS through the work day today though. - Andy Bold
linux fedora 10 - eric
win 7 - aykut
ingilizce sormuşsun ,türkçe cevap vermişim :)) yorumları okuyunca farkettim ingilizce sorduğunu ,bir de diyorum ki içimden niye herkes ingilizce cevap vermiş :) - ♪♫ halil ♪♫
Windows 7 - Michael Fidler
Windows XP - Nimaa
Linux, Windows 7, and Windows Vista. - Antony Jepson
ubuntu netbook remix, ubuntu desktop and server, XP in virtualbox (none for research) - Kevin Cearns
Ubuntu Desktop. - Michael R. Bernstein
Mac OSX and Windows Vista - Farzad
XP ve pardus... - Uğur Deligözoğlu
XP - zeynep
Windows XP - ercan
Kubuntu - Ehsanislav
Xubuntu - Sarah Peterman
Mac OS X - Bill Scherer
Mac OS X 10.4 and Ubuntu remix on the Aspire One - Paolo Frattini ⏏ docpap
Windows XP/Vista, Ubuntu Linux, and OpenSolaris. - Rudy Amid
Mac OS X - Violet Mae Lim
Leopard, Ubuntu amd64, debian amd64, win7 amd64... - mjc
Win 7 RC - BASEnet
Mac, and also running Win 7 in a vm ... - Patrick Jordan
Vista here and Win 7 beta on the laptop - Roberto Bonini
Ubuntu, Mac OSX 10.5, XP & Vista - Alastair Montgomery
DOS 2.9 - Moved to Facebook from fftogo
Mac OS X, Windows 7 RC - Christoph Studer
backtrack, pclinuxos, fedora - bob
Windows CE (6.1), Win XP, Ubuntu Linux. - Ferhad Fidan from fftogo
Windows 7 and i like it... - Semih Masat ™
up - Nimaa
Kubuntu/XP (desktop), Ubuntu (laptop), OSX (laptop) - Mark Philpot
UBUNTU - ™یک بابک
OSX - Jason
OSX - AJ Kohn
OS X - Simon Wicks
linux - Ubuntu 8.10 - Simone Biagiotti
Windows XP - Jack DeWitt Smith
winbloze pissed-ah (home premium) - Jim Hearts FF
Widows 7 :) - Serkan Cura (XiLoNeN)
xp at work, vista and 7 at home, apple notebook. Windows CE on my phone, and I have an Ipod. Right now I am on XP, later on tonight I'll be on 7 and Apple. - Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
Dual-booted ubuntu and Win XP on the desktop. On the laptop is Ubuntu. I'm running Jaunty right now on both. - Amy H.
Ubuntu, Jaunty Jackalope. - Steven Perez from fftogo
Mac OS X - Batu
Windows XP and Ubuntu - Tanju Yildiz
XP/Win7 dual-boot and (obsolete XP)-Ubuntu dual boot on my laptop - Willem (@wim66) ☠
Windows 7, Vista, and OS X :) - Spencer
Ubuntu, CentOS, Windows XP, Mac OSX - Jay Cuthrell
WinXP SP3 & Ubuntu 9.04 - Ricardo Vidal
One Ubuntu 9.04 32-bit, one Vista Enterprise SP1 64-bit - Andy Kruger
Running Mac OS X 10.5.6 on a 2004 PowerBook 12" G4 - Have 10.5.6 on a Mac Mini, and MacBook as well - Pilgrim Five
OS X 10.5.6 on my Mac Pro. OS X 10.6 on my MacBook. VMware ESX 3.5 with multiple VMs running Windows Server 2008 R2 RC, Windows 7 RC, FreeBSD 6.2 & 7.0 and FreeNAS 0.69. FreeBSD 7.2 on my colocation server. - Peter Kruit
Arch Linux at this precise moment. - Michael McKean
Windows 7 RC - Haggis (Sean Loyless)
OS X 10.5.6 and Windows 7 - Tendonitis' Bitch
Windows XP (tweaked), due to some restrictions. Otherwise definitely Windows 7!! - Praveen Vasudev
WinXP - Angga Satria
Mac OS X 10.4 - Brian Hendrickson
Ubuntu - Bruce Lewis
Windows 7 - Alan Le
Mac OS X.something. 5? The latest one anyway. - Deborah Fitchett
Not sure how this could be remotely useful. Windows 7 with a Windows 2003 server VPC open - Paul Whitaker
Windows Vista. - Daniel Rowley
Windows Vista Ultimate 64 bit. - Faraz Mullick
Windows 7, Vista OEM, Kubuntu, and some other Linux Distros!! ;P - Paul from twhirl
osx - Leo
ubuntu 9.04 and Vista - Bluesun 2600
XP SP2 (But I've got the windows7 iso downloaded, just need some time to install it - Glenn Slaven
XP primarily, but also a Mac Mini for studio work and dual-boot LInux on the XP machine - Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
OSX - Naor Mark
Windows XP - Anton
Now @work-Vista. At home-Vista, XP, Ubuntu, OS X. - Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
both laptop and desktop: windows XP - ohke
Work = XP, home = Vista64 running VMWare server, running CentOS, and another system running Windows 7 - kevin
home: XP work: XP and OSX - browneyes
iPhone 2.2.1 - Phil Maxwell
Windows 7, but I boot Ubuntu off my jump drive. - Mike Vierow
iPhone 2.2.1 - David Owens
Main box is OSX, laptop is Ubuntu Linux. - Neal Jansons
Primary OS: OSX 10.4.11. Secondary OS: WinXP SP3 (in a Parallels 4 VM) - Thunderwing from Nambu
Mac OS X 10.5.6 & XP - Jeffrey Marsh
Windows Vista and Windows Mobile 6.1 - David Cook
Let's see..computer #1; Windows Vista , Computer #2; Custom Windows Vista , Computer #3; Windows XP, Computer #4; Mac...something or other. I never use the Mac. - Candace
Tiger. I think XP at work ... not sure. - Laura Norvig
مک ۱۰.۵.۶ - مهدی یحیی
Wow, a lot of XP people! My advice: upgrade to 7 ASAP - Kirill Petrovsky
Ubuntu GNU/Linux 9.04, Windows Vista 32Bit, Windows XP, Android. - Ryo / Fuck Facebook
Windows 7 RC - Tony, Paradox of FF
win7 - getalifejerk
Windows XP - Andrew Kharook
all 14-15 ubuntu except for 1 lone vista - John Serra
TO many win xp users :) Though does virtualized o's count? :) Primarily Jaunty 9.04 but also have a previous windows server 2003 setup. @donor why upgrade to windows 7 at all look at the open source possibilities :) - Raymond Marr aka Knatchwa
Suse Linux - Pierre Lindenbaum
Ubuntu 9.04, work and home. - Neil Saunders
Linux (netbook, desktop and laptop computers) - Miroku
win xp mce sp3. my other pc with linux on it is on leave atm - Amber, Random Time Lord
Ubuntu 9.04 - both on desktop and on netbook. - Hanna Wiszniewska
Leopard, Windows 7, and Ubuntu 9.04 - Brandon Titus
OS X - Steve Sill
osX & windows7 - Necdet (nec) Terkes
@Alp: Windows Xp but planed to move to ubunto - Mostafa Lameei
OS X. Windows Vista, 7 and Fedora on it with VMware Fusion - hiro
OS X - Mona Nomura
Windows XP - Justin Korn
WinXP at work, OS X at home - Philip Lei
OS X and XP through VM - Dobromir Hadzhiev
xp,ubuntu - junrxu
xp and ubuntu - Cristian
Ubuntu Linux of course : > - Adval
Windows Vista - Kristian Salonen
EEEPC 900 Pardus, Toshiba A210-19D Win 7(vista upgrade), Desktop PC Win XP - Hamza Şamlıoğlu
Windows Vista, but with many RDP sessions to Windows 2008 servers where I do most of my work. - Pete Gilbert
OSX 10.5.6, Win7 and iPhone OS(X) 3.0. - Thomas Bøhm
OSX 10.5.6 on 5 machines and I think we still have an Amiga 500 in the loft. Oh and an Acorn Electron. But we don't use those last two. Much. There are also a couple of XP machines gathering dust in the garage. - Gilbert Harding
Windows 7 as of today. :-) - Kol Tregaskes
In this order: Osx86, Ubuntu, Win7, Vista - Neill Adamson
Mac OS X, Ubuntu 9.04, Kubuntu & Windows XP. Windows 7 is waiting to setup. :) - doruk tokçabalaban from Posty
Mac OS X (Leopard) - Paul Jacobson
Windows 7 - Kris
Xp Tablet Pc Edition with my Tablet Pc & Vista with my Office PC - Can Eğridere "Jegraphy"
Win XP and have just installed Ubuntu 9.04 in dual boot through wubi, but am not using it much. - TobiasVerhoog.com
Ubuntu linux with Gnome. - Marco Bonomo <radel>
Vista, Ubuntu, FreeBSD - J. Abdul-Qahhar
XP at work, Ubuntu 9.04 at home - Warren Butler
W7 RC, XP SP3, many flavors of linux. screw the mac os. I'm moving away from MacOS for coding/development. HATE DRM'd HW too. I will NOT be buying another product from Apple for a LONG LONG time I think. - Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Ubuntu 9.04 at work, Arch Linux at home, Windows XP on both laptops. Planning on upgrading to Win7 on the 'tops. - Daniel Bruce
windows vista - Seltoon
windows XP & ubuntu linux - yagami
Ubuntu and very rarely Vista - Jim Braux-Zin
Os X 10.5.6 - Ingriddina⁂
vista - but how is this for research purposes? what are the research questions? What are the null hypotheses? - LPH™ and his dog P™
I have one PC with Win XP and Linux for home. One Macbook with Leopard for work... - Erica - Mystiria
Apple MacOS X 10.5 & MS WinXP Pro SP2 - Mackley ॐ
Primarily OS X (10.5) and Win XP SP3, but also have ubuntu & Win 7 installed via Parallels - Robert DeBord
at work and on my netbook linux. on my desktop i have vista business 64 (needed for some school tasks) - Andrei Savu
OS X Leopard and Win 7 - Al Degutis
cat /etc/issue Ubuntu 9.04 - Ahmed Mubbashir Khan
Mac OS 10.5. XP at work. - Rowan Evenstar
windows xp - Nilesh
ubuntu 9.04 - Engin Yazılan
Windows 7 RC, virtualised ubuntu 9.04 - Andy
OS X 10.5.6 - Mitchell Tsai
Windows 7 - F. Batuhan Icoz
win xp 64, ubuntu 9.04 - Chris Hofmann
OSX 10.5.6, Vista, XP, & RedHat 4 WS - clarke thomas
XP at work, and Ubuntu on my own machine - embee
OS X Leopard, Arch Linux, Ubuntu (range from gutsy to jaunty), XP, Vista, Windows 7 - yes I have way too many computers :) - timepilot
linux, its a swiss knife for programming issues - Hüseyin Oğuz ALBAYRAK
At home, Vista laptop + Gentoo server - James Myatt
XP, but I miss Win98SE. Loved it. Would like to explore Linux. btw, I have an old Mac that works if anyone's a collector. Pay UPS (or whatever you choose) shipping and it's yours. DM me or email me @ infolode.com@gmail.com Keyboard, mouse, unit all there and working last time I booted it up. - Molly
OS X, Ubuntu - Jan Erik Moström
Windows Vista, Ubuntu, and OS X - nfan12
Mac OS X 10.5.6 & Windows XP - Tommaso
XP at work. Mac OS X at home. - Rutger Blom
XP - stark
OS X, but have XP loaded for Quicken - Kelly W.
OS X on my Laptop, dual booting XP, Ubuntu Linux on my server, Android on my phone. :D - Evan Travers
was quad booting osX 10.5.3, win vista, slackware linux, and backtrak3. and I just wiped and installed windows 7. and in a few months I will reinstall Slackware. - Charles Rice
Jaunty Jackalope Ubuntu 9.04 with customized staff desktop menu (on work's laptop) - home still running Ubuntu but not Jaunty think it's still on 8 something - Mlibrarianus
ubuntu(laptop) + opensuse(for office) + leopard(mini) + xp(ie) - dogan kaya berktas
Windows XP, Ubuntu 9, MacOS 10.5 - Anand Sharma
Home - Win Vista/Ubuntu (laptop) Win XP/Win 7 (desktop) Work - Win XP, Server 2003, - Charles Dick
Windows Vista 32 and 64-bit SP2 (I have TechNet), Windows XP Pro 32-bit, Ubuntu 9.0.4 64-bit, OS X 10.5.6. Oh and Windows Home Server PP2. Need to check out Fedora 11 Preview. :) Forgot to add Windows 7 64-bit (on a laptop). - Dr. Apps from twhirl
Ubuntu. I can't stand windows. - Josef Davies-Coates
Ubuntu too (Jaunty) - howard shippin
windows, pardus - Gizem B
Windows 7 RC Turkish - Adnan Taşkıran
OS X 10.5.6 - david medina
W2K - Windows 2000 pro. It does all I need. Next will be some *nix + virtual machines. - Markus Merz
Windows XP (upgraded from Windows Vista) - Brian Massey
OS X Leopard with virtualized XP, plus a Vista box. - Eric P
XP home and work - Could someone (Alp?) please turn this into a graph/chart of some form - would be really interesting to see this given the data in thus far. - Graham Steel
windows vista - Tahmina Ghani
OS X no windows in site - Bill Pennington from twhirl
ubuntu 9.04 and vista dual boot - Gaurav Bansode
OS X Leopard. It's the only way to fly. ;) - Meryn Stol
Windows. I want to use Linux but not without a dedicated hard drive for it. I am not ever installing a boot loader on my primary hard disk's MBR again. - Zed Darkman
XP and OSX Leopard, both home and work - Sean O'Brien
Kubuntu 9.04 - Grant Bierman
XP, Vista and OSX - Nicholas James
OSX (mainly), Linux (various distros) - John Collis
vista home basic, vista home premium, gentoo linux, ubuntu, OSX - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Win7 and XP. Still some of my OLD stuff won't run on 7. - David Slater
Mac OS - Kevin Pedraja
We collected really good data. I hope we can collect more and then I will share results with you. - Alp
I hope you share the results.. that's a very ambiguous survey. :P - Michael McKean
apple osx - cysko
Leopard - Vincent van Wylick
Will you also publish the results on your blog or so? - Vincent van Wylick
Right now, Android (linux-based). Once I get home, Ubuntu (9.04). At work, OSX 10.5 & Ubuntu. - Andrew Perry
windows 7 - Ahmet Ercan
Easy Peasy 1.1, a customized Ubuntu with the netbook-remix interface - Andrew Currie
Work - XP, Home - OSX Leopard or XP (on my wife's netbook) - mark
right now vista or 7 ... but mostly osx - Julian Lukács
Now, Ubuntu 9.04 - Krishnamoorthy
7RC...rather impressed - Kevin Pruett
Thanks :) - Alp
desktop: ubuntu & server:centOS - Murat Küçükosman
XP home edition & ubuntu 8.04 - Reza
XP and ubuntu - ümid urmuli
Xp and Windows 7 - Roberto Bonini
xp and symbian os - Orçun İlbeyli aka Nucro
DEBIAN! - k00pa
Vista and WMobile 6.0 - Kaan Şengül
mac - sean808080
Home PC #1- Win 7, Home PC #2 - Ubuntu, home server - Debian, corporate notebook - WinXP. - Один дяденька
Pardus 2009 - F. Batuhan Icoz
Interesting that this comes up to the top again. Now I'm using OS X 10.5.7, funtoo (instead of gentoo), Ubuntu, Win7(rc), and the Vista that will not die. and about to try OSx86. :) - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
xp and win7 - Muhammet K. (oceangray)
Mainly Fedora. Sometimes Ubuntu. - Hassan Ibraheem
OS X Leopard - Nick Humphries
windows xp, i'm ...use to it... - Dragos Danescu
fistaa - Kenan Rauf Kurt
ubuntu n' also Xp - Emre 'lowrider' Savaş
fedora 11 and windows xp modified - Ahmet Soyata
You should have made a poll. :P - Logan Lindquist from twhirl
OSX on daily basis with some ubuntu on occaison - Logan Lindquist from twhirl
z/OS @work, Windows XP @home - Semra Arslan
windows 7 - Ata İsmet Özçelik
Windows 7, too. - Alp
leopard @ home, Xp @ work - Andrea from twhirl
Mac OS X - Ronald Hahm
windows 7RC most of the time,xp when my kid play games :D - misca mihaela
Linux Mint Gloria most of the time at home. Windows Vista Business 64-bit at work. - Curtiss Grymala
MacOSX 10.5.7 - Kirk Fontaine
Mac OS X 10.5.7 - Adnan Uludağ
Mac OS X 10.5.8 - Parvez Halim
Ubuntu Linux on my personal laptop, work desktop, home server, and my VPS. I'm running Debian Linux on the many thousand servers I help manage at work. - Travis B. Hartwell
Windows 7 - Eric @ CS Techcast
Slackware -current on my main machine, and Slackware 12.2 on my printserver. - i80and
Still on XP Pro SP3, I love it's - Cobatra ♘
OS X Leopard on MacBook Pro and Ubuntu 9.04 on HP Mini netbook - Travis Smith
Anika
Say It in Hindi (Dover Say It Series) - http://www.amazon.com/dp...
Say It in Hindi (Dover Say It Series)
I'm not very good at learning languages, but I would like to learn Spanish, Arabic and maybe Mandarin. - Jason
I'm not very good at it either, but I am amazed by what I've picked up in just an afternoon. I can now read a lot Hindi. Something I never thought would happen to me. Still learning the double letters and dipthongs, but it's pretty straightfoward. Gonna practice more this weekend. I should feel comfortable enough for vocabulary words next week. - Anika
i'm decent at romanic languages, and evidently I am decent at speaking Bengali (what I know) because I can copy accents pretty well, but the Sanskrit based script languages throw me for a loop. And yes I do know its perfectly phonetic, I just can't determine where one letter/concept begins/ends. - InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
Whoo-hoo! Just got an email from my local library that this is in and waiting for me to pick up! Man, I wish they opened before 10am. - Anika
I want to learn the ancient languages - Sanskrit and Pali if I can some day. I can read both but can't understand much. - Kamath (नमः)
I had a religion's professor who knew Sanskrit. He was a go-to guy for translations and interpretations. That had always impressed me. Oh and he was hot. <shallow> Here's his wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - Anika
lol I'm sure u found him hotter because he was a language geek. On my mother's side, most of the family is fluent in Sanskrit. An uncle would try to teach me when we visited but I never really paid attention at the time plus he would get me to wake up at 5 to do yoga and learn Sanskrit. I wish I had paid attention now though. - Kamath (नमः)
LOL No, he was truly a hot man. And a surfer. *swoon* Anyway, I can see how being woken at 5am would make your resistant to learning. BTW, I just picked up this book from the library and it's TINY. It's like a little pocketbook. - Anika
Hmm...that is tiny but it's a start! Maybe most of the lessons are delivered via the CD? - Kamath (नमः)
My fluent Hindi speaker is leaving work today :( I've been thinking all during the time that I should learn. - anna sauce
Anika this is v. cool btw. After Arabic I'll hit up the Hindi. - anna sauce
Most ambitious young padawan! Now for extra credit (and if you want the ultimate linguistic challenge) try ancient Sumerian or Akkadian. Cuneiform FTW!! - Adrian
Kamilah Gill
This is how old I am, guys. These were top-notch video game graphics in the year I was born. :| - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
This is how old I am, guys. These were top-notch video game graphics in  the year I was born. :|
This is how old I am, guys. These were top-notch video game graphics in  the year I was born. :|
That little square under the key thing there is your dood. Think about it. - Kamilah Gill from Bookmarklet
The green squiggle is a dragon. rawr. - Kamilah Gill
Kamillah - I remember playing those games. Youre NOT OLD. :P - Internet's Tad
Sorry. I guess old is remembering when you played Tennis for Two on the oscilloscope back in nineteen hundred and fifty eight. THAT'S old. My parents were young children. Tonight, Kamilah de-evolves video games before your very eyes! - Kamilah Gill
OMG I so remember this! Finding those keys! LOL - Adam Turetzky
I think I might have played that. I don't quite remember. I do remember playing Pong (I'm older than you). - Katy S
This makes me think of Temple of Apshai. (Introduced to me by Homestar Runner). I think I did play something on an Apple IIe that used Greek symbols or something for the characters. I do remember my uncle's IntelliVision that we weren't allowed to touch, that had graphics akin to these and controllers that looked like remote controls. - Kamilah Gill
I used to play Temple of Apshai a lot on a Commodore 64. - Akiva Moskovitz
oh whatever, I'm still older than you. - InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
Matthew DeVries
Why is the answer divorce? Why isn't the answer "Cancel the TV show, Move to rural Canada away from the damn cameras and paparazzi, and try to work on our marriage"? - http://www.cnn.com/2009...
Why is the answer divorce?  Why isn't the answer "Cancel the TV show, Move to rural Canada away from the damn cameras and paparazzi, and try to work on our marriage"?
Divorce just comes way to easily to us :( Why even say the vows? They don't mean a damn thing. - Matthew DeVries from Bookmarklet
Agree. You are less likely to put in any work when you know there is an out waiting at the nearest law office. - Alex Scrivener
gotta keep the gravy train rolling. The marriage? Fuck-it, their only time to make money like this is now, and that's what they want. - Matthew DeVries
Matthew, Spot. On. - Micah Wittman
And Alex, exactly. - Micah Wittman
A marriage is a partnership --takes more than one party, and frankly, that woman is HORRIBLE. - Mona Nomura
sad but true - Johnny
Thankfully they're able to put their own fleeting emotional horseshit above the emotional stability of their children. Otherwise they'd have to actually act like adults. Screw these people for what they're doing to their children. - Brett Kelly
BUT DON'T LET THOSE GAYS GET MARRIED. - Derrick
I'm sorry but yes, sometimes the best answer IS divorce.....life is too short to be stuck with someone you married for the wrong reasons. - suzanne
So if life were longer, being stuck would be better? :P - Micah Wittman
Hair Hair Hair - Holly is Happy
Don't get me started.. What kind of emotional retard lets themselves carry sextuplets to fruition? Come on, don't feed me that "god's little miracles" crap then use science to fiddle with the whole process. Some people should never be allowed to procreate, and that includes a moratorium on scientific fertility too. - InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
One outlier family having a litter is not going to affect the population problem at all, and really isn't the topic here. And Suzanne is right, sometimes divorce is the best answer, BUT whether that is the right answer or not cannot be tested with cameras everywhere and papps chasing you every where. By choosing to salvage the show, they are taking a crap on their wedding vows, which makes them hardly a vow at all. - Matthew DeVries
Mahdi Ebrahimi
Homemade Girl Scout Cookies: Samoas Bars - http://bakingbites.com/2009...
Homemade Girl Scout Cookies: Samoas Bars
Homemade Girl Scout Cookies: Samoas Bars
This is basically a shortcut recipe that still delivers all the great samoas flavor without some of the more tedious parts of cooking making. These bars have a buttery shortbread base that is topped with the caramel-coconut samoas topping and chocolate. It is made in three stages. First, the shortbread is baked and cooled. Then, the coconut topping is applied. Put the coconut on while it is hot, so it will be fairly easy to push it around. It’s a thick mixture, but a spatula is all you need to press it into an even layer. The bars should be cut after the topping has been applied, and even though the shortbread has a melt-in-your mouth quality to it, the topping holds the bars together well. I recommend using a large knife or a pizza cutter to slice up the bars easily and neatly; small knives don’t work quite as well. - Mahdi Ebrahimi from Bookmarklet
You are my hero today, Mahdi - InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
Thank you, Gina. I am glad to be your hero :) - Mahdi Ebrahimi
Let's put those little bitches out of business. - James Ferguson
@James - hey, they only sell those cookies for like 2 mo. out of the year. I'm happy to buy from them then, but where am I going to get my cookie fix for the other 10 months? Right here, I tell you. Those look awesome. - Jennifer Dittrich
These looks good, but here is another one in case you prefer the peanut butter cookies. I've made these before and they are to die for. http://allrecipes.com/Recipe... - Davis Freeberg
به نظر خوشمزه میاد:) - وارش
Cee Bee
hey, someone buy me this wallet. in black, preferably. thanks! http://hypebeast.com/2009...
I kinda liked the green one, but then that's my personality. - InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
Can't I just call you "Mackdaddy"? - Anika
"mackdaddy, mackdaddy, mackdaddy. ughhhuhhh" - Cee Bee
Mona Nomura
Constitutional Law: Principles And Policies (Introduction to Law Series) - http://www.amazon.com/dp...
Constitutional Law: Principles And Policies (Introduction to Law Series)
Anyone have a copy they don't need lying around? :) - Mona Nomura
wtf ? - viki saigal
Mona, I am all for learning new things, but constitutional law seems like a stretch. Or are you actually a closet law geek? - Rob Diana
LOL I'm turning into an American history geek and fascinated by the Constitution, especially with the various ways it is interpreted. This book is is apparently the best hornbook around. :) - Mona Nomura from IM
I studied a ton of this in my Undergrad (Us Politics course) and in particular the constitution - sofarsoShawn
Con law is fascinating -- if I win the lotto, I'd go to law school. - Mona Nomura
How big would the lotto have to be? - Cristo
Enough to get me through law school + living expenses. Scotch included. :) - Mona Nomura from fftogo
So you'll need $100-$200k for Harvard, depending on the quality of the scotch, plus a really good GPA. :) - Cristo
Ok I'm coming out of the closet, I love two subjects; Anthropology and Law. You Go Mona. - InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
Oh and PS, in washington state, you don't have to go to law school to sit for the bar exam, or practice law, though you DO have to have 3 years working in the legal field. - InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
Mona, now I am confused. You are a geek who likes shoes, music AND scotch? It sounds like you are my twin :) - Rob Diana
girl into law? hmmmmm - A.T.
You don't need a law degree to serve on the SCOTUS. But you may need some familiarity with above. - Richard ¿digame? Walker
LOL Richard. EL OH EL. - Mona Nomura
Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
Burning question of the day: French Fries, Onion Rings, or Tater Tots?
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Onion rings...especially if I'm going to Sonic...Fries if I'm going to In N Out though. - Alex Scoble
I dunno, dude... Sonic has some pretty jam up Tots. - Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
Onion Rings, ftw - Jim Easley
french fries, 'cause this is FF! - Jim Hearts FF
Frickin' fries dude! - Eric @ CS Techcast
Jim of the Fresh Hair Cut... you are Fired! That is most certainly the cheese we were missing ;-) LOL - Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
Tater tots with nacho cheese. - Anika
You forgot waffle fries! This is hilarious because we actually had a very heated office debate on Friday about which was better waffle fries or tater tots. Waffle fries won out. - James Poling
Fries, with Onion Rings a close second. - Michael Fidler
Tater Tots - Brent - Long Live Rock
Fries - Elena
FRIES - Alp
Tots - Alan Simpson
Fries, w/ onion rings a happy periodic indulgence. - Ayşe E.
I just saved the French Fries picture as my wallpaper... - Jackie
All three like a sampler plate! mmmm - *Tiffany Diamond*
If they're sucky fries like the ones at Wendy's, I'll have tots. - MiniMage, sheeple of FF
Yes. - l0ckergn0me
I would have to say oldskool fries (done properly), which are called "Pommes Frites" here (and in France I presume). Especially since I haven´t seen "Tater Tots" before, but they look somewhat like our round "Pommes Noisettes" or maybe like a miniature "Rösti". Anyone know ? - Thomas Bøhm
Tots > Onion rings > Waffle fries > Regular fries. The thin/short tots are especially good. - Alix Whitmire
Fries > Waffle fries > potato wedges > tots. You can keep the onion rings. ick. - ♥patricia♥
Yes please. :) But usually Fries > Tots > Onion Rings. - Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Onion Rings! - Sharon McPherson
I'll have fries with that, please! - Jeff P. Henderson
steak fries. - B. Hatin
French Fries - ever so slightly > Onion Rings - Dobromir Hadzhiev
Texas toothpicks may trump them all, but it's hard for me to get them (and no, I will NOT try to make them, myself!). Potato wedges are also nice. - MiniMage, sheeple of FF
Depends on which fries and which onion rings. But hardly ever tatertots. - InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
Tots please... - Nikhil Dandekar
French Fries Pomme Frites - infodiva
onion rings & Alex is right, esp if they are from Sonic. - R. Ferguson
The best onion rings over the best fries. - mikepk
Waffle fries > fries > tater tots > wedges... no onion rings. - The Bohemian Penguin
Waffle Fries - Johnny
Tots - Anna Lynn M.
Tater Tots then Fries. Rings are disposed. - Louis Gray
When at home.. tater tots. French Fries any other time. Not a big Onion Ring fan. - Sean
Not sure…I think I'll have to try all three to verify… - Glen Campbell
French (err, Freedom) Fries :) - Roberto Bonini
All the pictures just get me in a heap bit of trouble - must go with the fries. - Janet
Tots for breakfast and fries for lunch or dinner. - David Cook
Chili cheese tater tots </monkeywrench> - Ha3rvey (more more more) from fftogo
Onion rings FTW! - Michael Forian
Tater tots would never win with me. Tough call between fries & onion rings, depends where they're from. Tony Roma's brick onion rings FTW above all other fries, but typical fries vs typical rings I'd go with the fries. - Robert DeBord
I like all of them. Bring them on. :-) - Raoul Pop
fries. definitely fries. - Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
Fries, if I can make them myself. - Ian May
tater tots - Moved to Facebook
In order of preference: fries, tots, onion rings. But bring all 3, thanks - Andy Bakun
All of the above. - Rishabh Mishra (p248)
McD's fries, or Arby's curly fries. Onion rings are good, too, but most fast food places have crappy ones (Sonic's are pretty good). I hardly ever have tater tots even though I like stuff like hash browns. - Cheryl Jones
Fries > Tots > nothing > Onion rings [OK, that doesn't parse right. I mean that I'd rather have nothing than have onion rings, but one could read that in part as "nothing is better than onion rings". What a crazy language.] - Fred Yankowski
Fries. Tots are really good too, when they aren't grease-soaked. Onions should get naked. - Wade Dorrell
Sweet Potato Fries. If that breaks the rules, onion rings. - Jeanine W.
Bleh, I hate this post. I'm broke ... and I want some onion rings! Lovely, batter that melts in your mouth, nice and hot onion rings. :-P - Matthew Horton
Jeanine W, I was about to say that sweet potato fries are the bomb!!! especially with a little butter. - Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
Matt, right there with you. It keeps popping up and making me NEED to go get some chili cheese fries. But I'm being strong! - Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
I've gotten no end to the grief from various girlfriends about my love of tater tots. Apparently, I am not alone! - Seth Blank
Onion Rings... - J. Abdul-Qahhar
I think Ms. Tinypants posted a recipe a while back with cheese and bacon wrapped tater tots. They were yum. - Alix Whitmire
Fries. Anywhere, but especially McD's. - Helen Sventitsky
Hold up now. CHEESE AND BACON WRAPPED TATER TOTS? I must find this. *goes searching* - Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Haha, found it. I had already liked it. I = bad memory tonight. http://friendfeed.com/tinypan... - Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
None of these. Chips rule. - Mo Kargas
LOL, Jandy!!! That sounds so decadent. - Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
French Fries - Nicholas James
fries - Herb Hernandez
Onion rings! Is this even a question? - Mark Horne
Onion Rings of the Sonic variety - tony
French Fries. Sick of onion rings and tater tots. Oh, and I really hate In-n-Out fries. - Wirehead
Toujours les pommes frites. - Kate Foy
The first thing I'm doing if I go to the US sometime? Eat something fried and cheesy:) - Thomas Bøhm from BuddyFeed
Easy, french fries. - Diego Barros 
Completely depends on where I'm eating. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
French fries. Haven't had the other ones (Australia doesn't believe in 'Tater Tots') - Larry Hudson
Oh, and might I add you left off floppy chips as an option which is a travesty. Floppy chips are teh nom! - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
damn important question. - Thomas Hawk
french fries please! - Simon Wicks
Onion rings. - James Myatt
French fries anywhere but Sonic then is is TOTS honey! No onion rings...EVER! - VP Medical
TOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - JA Castillo
Had onion rings last night, I think partially because of this post. :) - mikepk
French Fries - Shevonne
Do onion rings count as one of your five a day? ;-) - Gee Ranasinha
Gee, if you put Ketchup then YES! - Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
i have slowly moved from fries at most places and gone rings or tots. - (jeff)isageek
To clarify on everyone's request to add chips, we must keep our British friends in mind here... I think everyone is referencing "potato chips" not what we Americans call "french fries"... - Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
Or Pomme Frittes :D - Moved to Facebook from IM
Fries - Chris Luckhardt
French Fries for me please. :-) - Kol Tregaskes
Tater Tots, mashed up in a bowl with lots of ketchup! - Mike Reynolds
YES. - Steven Perez
Mike, that sounds like mashed potato crunch! Interesting casserole idea ;-) I dunno about the Ketchup though... - Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
Steven Perez
QUESTION: You have a year, unlimited funds, and the choice of one skill to learn in that time. What is it?
Shamelessly borrowed from John Rogers: http://kfmonkey.blogspot.com/2009... - Steven Perez
Play the piano. - Alix Whitmire
Write. - ♥patricia♥
I'd hammer out my pilot's license. - Christopher Harley
Play the piano x 2. Which is what I'm trying to do right now, as a matter of fact. - Helen Sventitsky
UNIX system administration - MiniMage, sheeple of FF
Design and build my dream house. - Jeff P. Henderson
A language - probably French. In France. - Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Art forgery. - Mark H
Unquestionably music. - Todd Hoff
Ooh, love this question. I'd want to learn book conservation/restoration. That just seems so damn awesome. Wish I'd known that existed when I was little. - Ayşe E.
Learn Japanese - in Japan. Full immersion course. Set us up in a small Japanese town with no English speaking people and provide us with the Pimsleur course and a good course for reading Japanese characters. In a year, we'd all be close to conversationally fluent. - Internet's Tad
Ballistics. - The Bohemian Penguin
Mythbusting! - invariant - farewell FF
I'd go intensive into novel writing, with hired editors, writing coaches, and a research staff at my disposal. I'd need quite a bit of classes to do it, though, Anthropology, psychology, astronomy, Mythology, and of course writing. - InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
Welding - Sue Radd
Today? Glass lampworking. Tomorrow? Who knows - lol - Shannon
learn a couple of languages...nice question. - Anna Lynn M.
wood working. i've always thought it would be cool to be able to make stuff with wood - Imabug
The fine art of traveling the world and writing about it well. - Steven Perez
How to be a successful artist. - Phil G
Learn to rule the world. - imabonehead
At this point, I probably want to hone my photography skills and become a fulltime professional photographer, for a magazine like Wallpaper. (Then again, I also want to finally get a book published, so I may try that instead ...) - Rene Wirtz
DANCE! - Yuvi
Oh, piano for certain and if that does not work, how to knit socks. - Janet
Japanese. - Brome
Hmmm, maybe cooking school, or a language, or photography. Digital technology has changed the work flow SO much. - Derrick
Six months of a crash course in Effective Bribery for the Amateur Emperor. And then I'd put those unlimited funds to some really good use... - Andy Bold
Xeriscape gardening and farming. I figure that'll be useful in the coming years, and I like gardening anyway. - Amy℠
Definitely music theory. I can pretty much bang away at any instrument and make it sound kinda good, but I would be a beast if I actually learned scales, modes, etc. - Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
I'm with Chris Harley - pilot's license for sure. Then I'd fly around and see places and people I haven't before. - Jordan Hofker
(Just enjoying everyone's answers. Carry on.) - Ayşe E.
learn arabic - tiffany
linguistics - J. Abdul-Qahhar
This one's harder than I thought. I'll get back to ya after some thought. - MicahBear78
Intensive study of folklore. Most definitely. - Katy S
I'd like to become a social media expert. - Glen Campbell
+++ Geln! - Internet's Tad
I want to learn Objective C. - Neal Jansons
Architecture. No question about it. What I should have done the first time around. But nooo, "You should go with business and economics".. My ass. EDIT: Ah..only one year.. a crash course in sailboat design (if not proper naval architecture) then. - Thomas Bøhm from BuddyFeed
I like to learn how to live off the original funding giving me the means to learn any and everything I wanted at my leisure. - Amber, Random Time Lord
skill? I'll have to go with piano as well. - Alejandro
It's a tie between learning to be a top chef, and spending a year doing strength and stamina training so I can finally hike the full length of the Pacific Crest Trail. :) - tinypants - Hagitha of FF
I think B-boying. DJing would last me longer -- I'm 32 and my knees know it -- but my heart is with breaking first. - Andrew C
Chinese - Davis Freeberg
Paradox-correcting time travel, that way I could go back to the beginning of the year and learn something new. EDIT: Seriously, linguistics. - Jimminy
Anesthesiology. Or, failing that, spiritual direction. - Ladybug Heather
I would learn how to play the piano :) or I would also like to learn how to use a potters wheel. - martha
as many already said, play the piano. since i play it already a little bit, play it the *perfect* way. Glenn Gould or smt like that. - diego morelli
learn to use the unused 80% of my brain - Thierry R. Andriamirado
Alp
Alp
howdy?
Howdy - Rodfather
goes well. yourself? - Parth Awasthi
here it is morning and I'm still sleepy. Zzz. - Alp
G'day - Darren Heydon
ty. - Alp
howdy - τorƍue
Yo dudue. Sounds like my son. - strill up at morning. - Brent - Long Live Rock
Yo! Sup? - Jeff P. Henderson
Good morning - RAPatton
How do you do, as well... (That's what "howdy" actually means) - Christian (Simply X)
are there other abbrs for howdy? - Alp
How? Dy? HDY? hi What do you want - it's five freaking letters. - Brent - Long Live Rock
or D? ;p - Alp
Nice to meet you? :) - Yasin Dillinger ☼
Bren, Photophobe
Egg carton table | Recyclart - http://www.recyclart.org/2009...
Egg carton table | Recyclart
"egg-carton-atema-architecture Atema Architecture’s “Auto-Cannabilistic Table” is made out of egg cartons, flour paste, soil, and seeds. When water is added, the seeds germinate and the table literally eats itself." - Bren, Photophobe from Bookmarklet
That is really awesome. I want to make one ;-) - InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
Trish R
Even if you are against food stamps and other forms of govt assistance for low income families, please do not humiliate or lecture someone in the grocery store trying to pay for their groceries. And please do not pass judgment on what they're buying. Is it really so bad for a poor kid to have some fruit roll-ups and M&Ms?
Arggh! Some people..... - WorldofHiglet
Jeebus H. on a crispy cracker. - Ayşe E.
Yep, just witnessed it in the grocery store earlier today. - Trish R
If I saw someone say that to another person don't think I wouldn't jump in and say something in defense. - Lindsey is Fierce!
OMG, Lindsey, I'm not confrontational at all and I don't think I could stop myself either. - Ayşe E.
Oh believe me, Lindsey, I did. - Trish R
Trish R. is my shero. - Ayşe E.
WTF?!?! That's full-on ass-holery. Yeah, it sucks to have to pay for your stuff w/ food stamps (my mom was doing that at various time during my upbringing), but it's how someone survives sometimes. People who pull such crap should have their asses handed to them. - JA Castillo
I'm with Ayse - right on, Trish. - Maria Niles
YAY for Trish!!! - Lindsey is Fierce!
Oh this is a HUGE soap box issue for me. They're lucky I didn't follow them out to the parking lot and organize a protest in front of their house. - Trish R
YGBFKM!! - Helen Sventitsky
When I see the total crap that some people buy and feed their kids with (and I don't mean the odd junky treat, but all the time) I really wish I could help them to see the light and raise them on good wholesome food. However, whether they're using their own money or food stamps, it's their business, and I'd never make comments to them. - Ian May
Go Trish! - martha
I'm not looking for kudos for anything I did, I just want to remind everyone that people on food stamps are not free target practice for your opinions when you see them in the grocery store. - Trish R
You are so on target with that post. Good for you, Trish. It is one of the reasons that I decided to not interact with one of the college kids that live upstairs. He was just to darn hateful in talking about folks that utilize food stamps. - Mathew A. Koeneker
Also, you don't get to decide who gets food stamps and who doesn't. If you suspect someone of fraud, report them. Otherwise, STFU. - Trish R
*That* bs pisses me off. I'm glad you said something, Trish. - Anna Haro
Ian, there are many people who buy crappy foods while on food stamps not because they don't know what is healthy or how to buy healthy food, but because healthy food is, by and large, a lot more expensive than crappy, packaged food. - Rochelle
Food stamps aren't tickets for a scolding. Go Trish! - John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Darn if that isn't another thing Rochelle. Cheap bread is not good for me but good bread is expensive. I am not sure where baking my own bread falls but I might needs to start doing that as my Mom did when were children. - Mathew A. Koeneker
It is not my place to scold, and I def understand having been raised in a low income household. However, if the parents and kids are obese, and I see the majority of the cart is junk food, I might look askance (as opposed to saying something) because I feel for the kids (and ps, I'd look askance at this regardless of how they were paying). Saying something isn't going to change... more... - InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
Gina, would you also "look askance" at an obese family paying cash for their groceries or is it just limited to families on food stamps not eating properly? I see where you said that now. I just don't see why it's necessary to pass judgment on someone trying to feed their family. - Trish R
Gina - did your friend not buy prepared foods? ie. bread, pasta sauce, etc. - Mathew A. Koeneker
I am just asking as I am trying to be as healthy nutritionally as I can. And it just seems as if turkey vs ground beef is more expensive. Soy milk vs regular milk more expensive. Organic anything is more expensive. - Mathew A. Koeneker
@Rochelle, I wouldn't necessarily agree that healthy food is more expensive. We've taken stock of what we eat, and moved away from crap and junk, and found we spend no more walking around the perimeter of the supermarket than we did when we bought the crap in the center aisles. Some things are a little more expensive, but we've also reduced portion sizes too (most of us eat too much anyway!).We've had to watch our budget all round with my wife being out of work since last September. - Ian May
I do the same thing, Ian. Stay out of the center aisles of the store. - Mathew A. Koeneker
I think people also forget that a lot of kids are left at home to fend for themselves while the parents are working. If they have a basket full of TV dinners and hot pockets, Mom might be buying this because she's working 2-3 jobs and isn't home to prepare healthy meals or cook ahead for when she's gone. - Trish R
There but for the grace of God, goes Capn' One-Eye. - Capn' One Eye - adrift
My friend DID work 3 jobs, and go to school nights. And I'm sure she bought some prepared foods, she was just very careful with what was in them. One of her jobs was at the childcare co-op, she helped start, so she had almost free childcare. As for someone trying to feed their family, how good is it to feed a child in such a way as they are left with a lifetime full of health problems? Yes, I'm judgmental, but only because I came out on the other end. - InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
Indeed I have been on food stamps myself - it is hard. - martha
Gina, I'm sure there are lots of community programs that could use your help as a volunteer. Why don't you check into that and see if you can do some volunteer work with families on helping ensure their children are eating nutritionally? - Trish R
I would be glad to. In fact, I'm glad this conversation came up. The problem is; I live in portland, where the community supports such initiatives. Where are those initiatives in neighborhoods that are under-served, where the culture isn't as focused? I used to live in Oklahoma city, where I can guarantee you such an initiative is desperately needed. - InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
I've seen my fair share of food stamp abuse over the years, but I would never apply the few people I've seen abusing the system to all food stamp/gov't assistance users in general. It takes a lot of guts to admit you need help, and even more guts to walk into a grocery store and pay for a cartful of food with food stamps knowing that those around you are likely to eyeball every single... more... - tinypants - Hagitha of FF
Trish, you're definitely right about kids who fend for themselves. My mom works at an elementary school and we were just talking about that last week. She was talking to a little boy last week (3rd grade, I think) who packs his own lunch. For that day, he has packed himself a bottle of water, a package of graham crackers, and a Pop-Tart. - Rochelle
Maybe they should change the way income assistance is handed out, instead of having food stamps why not issue families some kind of gift card/prepaid VISA thing that nobody could tell was from income assistance but has some kind of coding that means it's only accepted at food stores. - Bryce, Low in Sodium
Bryce, they do that in Texas. It works like a debit card and they scan it in the machine to pay for groceries and it deducts from their balance on the card. However, you can only use it for groceries, and the cashier will tell you what you have to pay for in cash, like paper towels. That's how other people know. - Trish R
Recently I was part of a community outreach fair (where no one showed up, but that's not really related) and one of the owners of an IGA was also there. She said when they first opened the bakery she had dreams of whole grain breads selling well. She said now they sell the usual crap because no one would buy it. She was excited that WIC has gotten much more strict with what they provide (brown rice, whole grain cereals, dried beans) - Heather Solos
Though I hear you Amanda, I have my own opinion of which the short of is lack of education. I could go on about this and how i feel every aspect of the problem is touched by it, from healthy and quick food prep, to the fact that the lack of education has often put these mothers in the place they are in in the first place. I understand that sometimes it just seems too hard, but when you... more... - InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
The point is it is also easy to just walk the line of "compassion" but compassion with out action is useless. - InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
Gina, I'm still not sure I'm getting your point. Do you think people on food stamps deserve your scorn if they don't buy food that's approved by you to feed their children? - Trish R
the problem is that these kinds of petty minded scolds run the government. WHy not do what every other Western nation does, give them money not condescending coupons. Abolish Food Stamps! - John Hardy
I've never gotten looking at anyone else's food purchases, no matter how they're paying for it. What's the point? It's none of my business, and even if it were, how do I know that's what they're eating? They could be buying food for their spouse, roommate(s), visiting family, charity, etc. - Alix Whitmire
As a child that was raised on food stamps and welfare until age 14, I strongly agree that people should not be taken to task for using food stamps. Most families on food stamps do not have the education of what foods are healthy. Even though my mom knew what was healthy, she many times did not have a choice in what we could afford. If it came down to buying organic milk and not being... more... - Shawn Whitmire
I don't judge the parents for buying fruit roll-ups with food stamps. I judge the parents for buying cigarettes and alcohol with the cash they would have otherwise spent on fruit roll-ups. If there's no money for fruit roll-ups, there certainly shouldn't be money for smokes and beer. - Jim Phillips
If we were a cashless society many of these abuses would end. 'Course, how would anyone pay for hookers & blow? - MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
With a hookers and blow gift card. - Trish R
And with that our discussion has gone from making me sad to making me smile. At least, people are talking about it. I appreciate everyone who has participated in this thread. :-) - Mathew A. Koeneker
Participating in something like the Hunger Challenge (which I did with the SF Food Bank) http://hungerchallenge.blogspot.com/ or the Food Stamp Challenge http://foodstampchallenge.typepad.com/ can go a long way in raising your personal awareness & empathy and guide you towards compassionate + educated action. Unless you've been there, no matter how much you think you know about shopping, cooking & eating healthy, on a severely restricted budget it is so much harder than you imagine. - Maria Niles
Also, remember that you don't know what anyone's living situation is, what cooking or refrigeration facilities they have access to or what their food security is (e.g., housemates that might take leftovers, etc...). Scratch cooking from fresh ingredients simply is not an option for everyone. - Maria Niles
Thank you, Maria, for your comments. One other way to contribute and everybody here can do this: The Hunger Site has a button for donating free food. You can sign up for an email reminder, and I swear I've clicked it every day since I signed up for it. It's the easiest thing in the world, and it's surprisingly effective—in that I never let a day go by. It's no effort whatsoever. I hope everyone signs up for it: http://www.thehungersite.com/clickTo... - Ayşe E.
I have mixed emotions about food stamps. When I was a kid about 10 years old at the grocery store with my mom, the people in line front of us had two baskets full of groceries (we had a basket that was about 3/4 full on my mom's single-salary). The two basket people were paying for everything with food stamps and the cashier told them that the bag of dog food they had wouldn't qualify... more... - Her Lindsay-ness
the last time I was embarrassed in a supermarket checkout line was when a much overweight girl who was buying a tube of Clearasil and a large Hershey chocolate bar was told "nice combo" by the cashier. - randulo
@Lindsay: So I guess that one incident means it's all bad? Like the numerous times I've seen people being outright rude to people with food stamps? Like the times I've heard people with money who've apparently never dealt with real hardship make snide comments about people on welfare being parasites? This should be what informs my view of people who don't need food stamps or welfare?... more... - James (!?)
The Hunger Site also has a nice Facebook app (http://apps.facebook.com/hungers...) for those of us using FB that aren't organized enough to keep track of clicks. Lindsay - when we had to go on food stamps for one summer when I was a teen (long story), we were still constantly hungry. $60 a month for two people 15 years ago. A disabled friend currently gets $160 for his two person... more... - Alix Whitmire
I've heard this dog food story many times, but mainly with hamburger meat. Food stamps only buy food. I know that people think anything else shouldn't be, but think about how many things food stamps don't buy: Toothpaste, toilet paper, paper towels, soap, shampoo. In my opinion, those things are necessities. So whether it's right or wrong or you agree or not, I do understand people's... more... - Trish R
@James - I have been poor before too, living from paycheck to paycheck and barely making ends meet. When I found out I was pregnant I wasn't sure if I was going to be able to afford a baby on my 3x minimum wage salary, and applied for WICA... I was turned down because I made too much money. While in the waiting room I was sitting next to a woman and her daughter who were both decked out... more... - Her Lindsay-ness
Lindsay, I wasn't saying you didn't witness the dog food story firsthand, I was saying that I've heard other people tell that same story -- it seems to have happened to a lot of people and these types of experiences cause them to have a negative opinion of people on govt assistance. - Trish R
If it's that common you have to wonder... if you can't afford to feed yourself or your family why do you have pets? You're doing yourself and your pets a big disservice. - Her Lindsay-ness
But that's my point. Is it really our place to sit in judgment of every decision someone makes and how they live just because they're getting government assistance for their groceries? I'm not saying that buying hamburger meat and steaks for their dogs with food stamps are great ideas, but if it meant the difference between keeping the electricity on another month, dumping the animal in the street or feeding their pet, is it really that horrible? - Trish R
Why do we pretend middle and high income folks don't get government assistance. They do. It's just not called welfare or food stamps, rather Tax Breaks and Tax Credits. - Jason
Pets to many of us are literally like members of the family. Plus there's an emotional connection and comfort in having them in our lives, especially during hard times. I can completely understand the attempt to try to buy dog food with food stamps. And many times people got their pets BEFORE falling on hard times, so it's not really a matter of why someone would have pets if they can't afford to feed their families. - Jannifer @wordsforliving
I adopted Jackson from Stray Rescue before falling on hard times. - Mathew A. Koeneker
On this one, I agree with jannifer. There was this woman at the max train stop the other night who had had her cat-food stolen and she was really upset. To my mind, she wouldn't have been as upset as she was if the money she spent on it wasn't so dear. I wished she had come over to my side of the stop before leaving and I would have offered to buy her some more. That's the kind of thing that really gets me. - InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
In my local grocery, their is a large sign explaining that prepared cakes can be bought with food stamps but decorated cakes cannot. Items on the shelves are labeled WIC Approved. The most I hear about food stamps at the checkout is arguing what allowed. Like any Government program, WIC is needlessly complicated for those who need it yet easly scammed by those who don't. - Robert Hafer
I'm with Jannifer, too. Having kids when you are having a really hard time is typically bad for the kids. Should you give them up? And as for noticing people with gold chains etc. etc. etc., I still see this as a subtle form of expressing prejudice against the system via exploiting the times you've seen what you take to be abuse of it. Let's just do away with welfare and assistance of... more... - James (!?)
And back to the point I was making above, ANYONE deserves my scorn for feeding their kids PRIMARILY junk food. I am not talking pre-prepared meals, but Snickers, potato chips, et all. Some is acceptable (i.e. moderation) but if the majority of their basket is fluff food, there is an issue. My mother was like that; she'd splurge at the beginning of the month when she had stamps (because... more... - InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
And; who is to judge what is healthy? I see someone with organic milk in their cart and think they're wasting money on a fad, while you might think it's a healthy choice. Even if it's a cart full of candy bars, are you sure they're going to resell them at a profit? (illeagal yes, unhealthy no) I don't want anyone being the nutrition police, most of all not the Government. - Robert Hafer
Just to be the devils advocate, what about the combined costs of healthcare that bad nutrition is causing? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki.... From another wiki on nutrition "Poor diet can have an injurious impact on health, causing deficiency diseases such as scurvy, beriberi, and kwashiorkor; health-threatening conditions like obesity and metabolic syndrome,... more... - InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
I personally use the 10 year rule about what is h