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So FriendFeed's growth is flat, why do you think that is and how do you think that could be improved?
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It's a shame that FF is not growing yet has all better features over the likes of Twitter and Facebook but what is causing the lack of growth and what could be done to increase growth in FriendFeed?
- Kol Tregaskes
FF is too much work. Consumes time, needs a lot of effort and most people are happy with one-to-one than one-to many interactions. Twitter wins.
- vijay
FriendFeed fits in a space in between Twitter and Facebook. There is very little reason to join FF if you are already using both Twitter and FB.
- Daniel Sims
Is it down to 'missing' features? Is the poor introduction for new users to blame?
- Kol Tregaskes
Also what Daniel said.
- vijay
Daniel, I did. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Vijay, yeah it can be pretty complicated for the new user, how would you make is simpler?
- Kol Tregaskes
if you make it any simpler it becomes twitter. Only way to go is to get users to replace their Blogs with FF. I think that's what they are working towards.
- vijay
I have replaced some of my blogs with friendfeed. I think it's excellent for blogging (microblogging).
- Svartling
from email
Vijay, you meant for writing your own blog articles? Yep, that would be great. All I'd really need it a few HTML options in the first comment to do this. Nothing too fancy. Then I could blog from FF, embed it on my site and everything is synced, comments and all. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Svartling, I've done the same thing also.
- Ashikur Rahman
I think what needs to be done is have a clear "walk-through" example of setting up one's full social media life on FriendFeed. It's a great box of toys for exploring and tinkering -- but trust me, new users will be quite daunted at first unless they have some hand-holding
- Ashikur Rahman
It only targets content producers
- Genaro Bardy
Ashikur, I see this all the time as I seek out new users to welcome them each day. A lot post their first entry as "what do I do now?". Once new users have completed the registration process they are put on friendfeed.com with no other explanation. A nice Flash anim is needed here to show the new user the basic features of the service.
- Kol Tregaskes
FF should go all the way and become a fully-featured Twitter client. People will join and stay for that, then eventually fall in love with FF. Right now, FF's integration with Twitter is just half-way done and causes more confusion.
- Daniel Sims
Make it a fully-featured Twitter client with better blogging functionality.
- Svartling
If I could import my non-FF Twitter friends, keep it refreshed if I unfollow them and swap them to FF users if they join, then I'd use FF as my Twitter client. But the likes of Seesmic Desktop provide all sorts of useful features like RT and tabs for replies for multiple Twitter accounts and DMs.
- Kol Tregaskes
FF requires more time to enjoy. Many of the features are probably difficult for new visitors to see or find. The interface may be overwhelming and it may be a bit too "Zen" in appearance for most people. People used to Twitter may find it harder to connect to others (they may find the lack of @ replies as a communication hurdle). The API isn't exploited as widely as Twitter's. Mobile...
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- phil baumann
FF hasn't gotten the buzz Twitter has. It's seems harder to find like minded people on FF. Maybe, I just don't know how to do it. I love the pictures and the ability to have real conversations. I hate 140 character rule of Twitter. Twitter more people are just talking. Not as many listeners. Lots of marketers and life coaches on Twitter. Don't like that. I like "rooms" on FF. I like...
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- Kimber Scott
Kimber, absolutely agree with you.
- Ashikur Rahman
What I dont like is to properly track watch my friends, I have to follow FF, twiter, and facebook.
- ZoneDancer
Kimber, interesting points there. Twitter is definitely a broadcast tool whereas FF is a discussion tool.
- Kol Tregaskes
I have noticed with friends that FF requires some usage on the part of the individual, so it's a hard sell and steep learning curve that way. Most of my friends I introduce here see a relatively blank page, with just my posts. They're timid to subscribe, and thus see a really whitewashed space.
- anna
Anna, agree about it being a hard-sell. I think the email features should be plugged more. I think there is a big market of users that I used to emails and know nothing about social media beyond Facebook. I'm trying to tempt a few friends onto FF via the email features, to them it's a matter of registration then emailing me to a different address. Eventually they may move onto the site and use all the regular features.
- Kol Tregaskes
I think FF is too much for people new to social media I don't know. I think the realtime thing kinda pushed a lot of people away as well. I'm finding myself finding more people I'd rather interact with on Twitter and Facebook than FF. Discussions are nice, but they are time consuming. For anyone with a job that doesn't allow them to be online, a family to take care, a house to take care...
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- Mike VanLare (slayerboy)
I'd also like to see it pushed as a collaborative tool. It works really well in this sense. Businesses could use FF.
- Kol Tregaskes
Another thing that bothers me on FF is a user issue, but I think with some encouragement from FF is could be improved: There are too many blank profiles. People should be encouraged to say 'something.' It takes a lot of work to see if you want to follow somebody, if they have a blank profile. Also, private feeds are so off putting. I know they should be an option, but it's very hard to...
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- Kimber Scott
from email
Personally I like the rate of growth, after all a good wine needs time to reach its full potential.
- Kevin Hatton
Heh, Kevin. I'm not after Twitter or FB like growth but any growth would be nice. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Some of it is habit. And herding behavior. If their friends use it, then they want to. Maybe FF should be all about quality rather than quantity. I stepped through many people to help them start up. Showed them how to use the bookmarklet. None of them wanted to use it. It's a new technology in its own right. Sometimes peeps are just set in their ways?
- Marg Uerite
Peeps have to have a certain level of computer literacy sophistication, just to appreciate it!
- Marg Uerite
Kimber, the user settings page is presented to new users when they register but the description is only optional. I'd like to see an explanation of how and the benefits to why to fill in this be displayed with the tutorial.
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol, exactly what I was thinking - a little education will solve so many issues.
- Kimber Scott
from BuddyFeed
:-)
- Kol Tregaskes
FriendFeed needs to think through its use cases, & survey users for their preferences between them. Examples are FF as feed reader (needs a "Subscribe to this blog" bookmarklet), or the FF as Twitter client++ mentioned above by several people, which I'm also big on. Then, once decided, make it clear for new users through usage videos, UI "obviousness" improvements, etc. how it works....
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- Alex Schleber
the main reason why friendfeed doesnt catch fire is its lack of complete profiles...i cant search for people from munich,...or from my schools, etc, etc,... FAIL
- Chris Hofmann
I kinda wish I had a local search of somekind. One way that twitter first grabs users is by finding others around you that use it as well as easy tweetups.
- tomit
from iPhone
Good point, Chris!
- Ashikur Rahman
from iPod
... and, why do I have to go all the way up to the start of a conversation to comment? Especially when it's a long one?
- Ashikur Rahman
from iPod
Chris makes a very good point and so does Ashikur. No complete profiles. On FB you can pretty much trust that the person is a real person by looking at the profile, you get a sense of community, you can find people you know, or used to know, etc., etc. Ashikur's point should be very easy to fix.
- Kimber Scott
from email
Mass media is driving twitter adoption nothing else.
- Geoff Schultz
Odd, isn't it. Traditional media pushing the latest "new media" trend.
- Jason Nunnelley
Having just switched over to using Friendfeed for all my social networking, I can say that making this a full-featured Twitter client would bring more people in. Once here they'd realize that's not what it's really about. But the halfway method that exists now is a major deterrent.
- John Ladd
Kol, IMHO: 1) The barrier to entry increases with the character limit and inversely to the photo count. 2) Let's face it, the biggest differentiation from twitter is not comments (twitter has @ replies) or the better search (although, that's big) or attachments (twitter has 3rd parties for that) -- the differentiation is groups, yet the process of finding a group is still pretty awful (by searching - the results are cluttered at best) or non-obvious (by clicking on someone's subscribers and scrolling down).
- tollie williams
The easiest thing about FF is the aggregation. The harder elements at first are saved searches and building up new friends on FF. overcome these two harder elements and it should move better.
- George Hall (Australia)
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Google Has Done Bad Moves in the Past. Chrome OS is One of Them. - Thoughts on social media, the web and technology - jungleG - http://jungleg.com/2009...
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Chrome is already gaining acceptance as a browser. If you want to upgrade it to something, I’d say keep it as a client running on top of something else. But introducing another OS when Android is still struggling sounds like a bad idea
- Jorge Escobar
from Bookmarklet
I'm not sure how Android is "struggling" with Motorola making "several" devices that run on it, as well as other major phone manufacturers delivering Android devices this year. Seems to me, it's off to a good start, especially since everyone I know that has a G1 absolutely loves their phone.
- Michael Koby
@Michael it is struggling in the sense that a lot of carriers have been reluctant or have had difficulty implementing it. T-Mobile's G3 may not see the light of day for 2009. And, by the way, I'm a G1 user and absolutely love it. My point with the post is the dual marketing of OS might hurt Google against the other big two guys, MS and Apple.
- Jorge Escobar
Jorge, Android was never designed to run on everything, only on largely-pocketable devices (to avoid tying it to cell phones). As such, it carries functionality that may be of little use in larger, desktop-centered installations. Hence the Chrome OS (which, btw., we haven't seen none of it yet, so go easy on the criticism-in-advance pedal), which p.r.e.s.u.m.a.b.l.y is better integrated...
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- ianf ⌘
Valid points, ianf, but let me counterpoint quickly. Windows and Windows Mobile. See a common word there? Why not make Android (the version we have now for cellphones) Android Mobile and Android for larger apps? Isn't an OS an OS no matter what hardware it runs? (I believe Sun was the initial proponent of this back in the 90's). Don't tell me Google can't make Android the OS for...
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- Jorge Escobar
It seems likely that the two groups within Google couldn't come to a common vision and decided to fight it out. Otherwise it's quite irrational.
- Todd Hoff
@Todd. E.X.A.C.T.L.Y.
- Jorge Escobar
Jorge, Windows doesn't run clean or on ANYTHING, and Windows Mobile is just a brain dead attempt to port it down to far more mission-critical hardware than desktop ever was, ergo the comparison is moot. I don't know Android too well, so I'll stick to primarily philosophical and mercantile arguments... it may well be that Google decided it NEEDS to keep competition alive within the...
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- ianf ⌘
Another possible angle is that it's not a netbook OS only. They plan on embracing and extending other form factors and for that Linux is a better base. If you only want to produce a small form instant on browser base it's hard to see why android wouldn't work just fine.
- Todd Hoff
@ianf, I believe calling Windows Mobile "brain dead" is a bit of a stretch, specially knowing Redmond. I had a T-Mobile Dash (HTC Excalibur) and had nothing against the OS, more against the hardware. Plus Windows Mobile is coming with a new version that's supposed to be better/faster. Windows 7 is getting rave reviews, so watch out if we don't be surprised with a great WinMo.
- Jorge Escobar
@ianf, now the internal competition thing, I agree could be the case. But as a marketing move, again, this is dumb.
- Jorge Escobar
As a marketing move it only creates confusion in the marketplace and splits the brand. What works where? How do I develop for each? Where do I buy apps? Do my apps work cross Google? They will be on different bases with completely different release cycles and priorities for very similar needs. As a developer and a user I'm already confused. If I were MS and Apple I would exploit this confusion.
- Todd Hoff
when I hear Android as "thing for netbooks", it makes me smiling... Chrome OS is wise step in sense it will make blow in on netbooks kicking MS & all other closed-sourced crowd. Android is too much lean and mean for that kind of fight.
- A.T.
I think there is another, better example for comparison with the alleged Android/ Chrome OS function duality: it's the OSX Cocoa Touch for iPhone and iTouch devices. Right now they run the very same version of the OS, though the Touch, while sporting double onboard memory over the biggest iPhone 3GS model, lacks certain key hardware functions - no camera, no GPS module (ergo location...
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- ianf ⌘
Google has too many products, some are good, but I don't see myself switching OS anytime soon.
- natalia ventre
@ianf, found the stats for Mobile OS penetration: "According to research firm IDC, Windows Mobile holds about 15 percent of the mobile OS market, while RIM leads with 48 percent and Apple's iPhone is in second place with 19 percent. Android only has 7.5 percent of the market."
- Jorge Escobar
Variable features is common and expected. My code can ship with feature support or not or it can turn on/off at runtime. But it's the same code. Here it will be two different code bases. Completely different situation.
- Todd Hoff
Jorge, »I believe calling Windows Mobile "brain dead" is a bit of a stretch« - it may well be. I only played with it for half an hour on some HTC smartphone, and I don't use any other device apart from unphony Palm Lifedrive, but the very concept of creating an OS for mobile devices while leveraging the GUI of the desktop made me puke. Also, I found it incredibly inconsistent in the...
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- ianf ⌘
Jorge, are those statistics for market share by unit delivery or dollar volume? If WinMo in 10+ years time and with several tens, if not hundreds OEMs within its dev corral couldn't capture more than 15% [of the overall figure], and measly Apple could surpass it in just two years, what does it tell you? BTW. I do not believe Apple will ever be the dominant [f]actor in that field simply...
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- ianf ⌘
You don't catch the point. Android is a brand and it's for Smartphones. iPhone is Osx basically but they say "iPhone OS". It's the same. Then welcome Chrome OS, that had different features, different target and different architectures to run on. Chrome OS is not a competitor or a brother of Android, probably is birth from a rib of Android, one day they'll tell us. The point for me is...
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- Lucio Riccardi
I'm sorry, but when you consider the big two, no mobile OS works cross platform with its non-mobile counterpart. That confusion does not exist. No offense, but I think that Todd and Jorge are manufacturing a problem out of thin air. Windows and Windows Mobile have the same word in the name, but so what? There is literally nothing that works across the two operating systems, so devs have...
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- Chieze Okoye
Consider MS had massive investment in a desktop OS that was completely dominant. It's understandable there's a difference between the two platforms. Now, phone capabilities and notebook and even desktop capabilities are quickly converging. On phones we have GPUs, multi-cores, many devices, lots of RAM, lots of disk. Not that much different than a desktop. What's the rationale for a...
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- Todd Hoff
Chrome OS is the right move at the right time. Android isn't struggeling. How can you say that if there are over 10 devices announced and already 3 on the market in that short time? Chrome OS is for desktop computer. Android is for mobile devices. There might be an overlap at netbooks, but other than that it's okay.
- Ryo
@Ryo, I believe iPhone OS has been much more effective than Android. Android is the also-ran kid, as Chrome is on the browser world. Don't get me wrong, I love Android, I have a G1. My main browser is Chrome. I just think, as I said in my article, at this point of time Google needs to be more focused to have a chance to succeed, and not have a myriad of products that non-techie consumers can't even begin to understand.
- Jorge Escobar
For me Google is very focused with this: they want to deliver their services as first class applications to the user. This does require a redesign of the OS. This would be crazy if they started to build this stuff from scratch, but they rely mostly on existing open source projects. And while Chrome OS and Android look very different, I'm sure they still have a very large common code base.
- Oliver Bouchard
@Oliver there's something called Linux that is already nimble, and look where it's gotten to. Google should pick their battles better.
- Jorge Escobar
I don't believe they want to battle Linux, they just want to optimize it for their purpose: running Google applications the same way as local application.
- Oliver Bouchard
from IM
In the end the Chrome OS will just be a gateway to Google's online services. Moving to the cloud has some great applications but I think most prefer to have control over their data. Now if it is a full OS, we'll need developers to write programs for it. In short I see it being introduced in response to MS Gazelle.
- Keith Beucler
Hmm, taking a POSIX OS and customizing the hell out of it till you get what you want. Hmmm, now where have I heard of a company doing that before? Hmmmm. @Jorge, as far as Android being less effective, there is a big difference between "less prevalent than the market leader" and "struggling." For a new entrant into the mobile OS game from a company that is not also making the hardware,...
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- Chieze Okoye
Regarding your point on focusing, I definitely agree with you that focus is a good thing and key for Google to succeed, but there is plenty of room in a company as large as Google to "focus" on more than one thing at a time. And indeed, I think that a company that overfocuses in one thing to the detriment of exploring other possible revenue streams and product lines runs the risk of, in the end, painting itself into a corner.
- Chieze Okoye
Read this brilliant piece by Anil Dash http://dashes.com/anil...
- Jorge Escobar
Jorge, sorry but the crapPhone OS can't even compete with the free Android. Android is so much better in any way. I see this totally different from you. We live on different worlds I think. And I don't know what Androis has to do with Chrome OS. Android is doing very well. I don't know if Chrome OS will be as successful as Android, but why not making an OS as an alternative for...
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- Ryo
In keeping with my monthly reporting of compete.com tracking of FF vs. Twitter, for the month of June (after a flat May) Twitter grew at an astronomical monthly rate of 16.57%. FF by comparison mostly held flat in fact declining .26% after crossing the one million unique visitor count last month for the first time.
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I suspect that a lot of the continuing media coverage of Twitter probably accounts for it's continued rise. I'm not sure why FF seems to remain flat though.
- Thomas Hawk
Maybe for a migration of early users from facebook to twitter, while the number of active users on FF isn't increased much. I mean that the usage of twitter isn't regular but it have a peek when important events happens (e.g. Iran elections or MJ death)
- Roberto (postoditacco)
from fftogo
I remember seeing a graph like that about the time Pownce shut down..or similar.
- Mike Lewis
Plus I'm sick of hearing twitter every time I turn on the TV. Wish Rick Sanchez and Don Lemon could see me shaking my fists at them :)
- Shivanand Velmurugan
Because FriendFeed continues to be perceived as too hard to use, too much information, too difficult to make it display what you want it to display, too desktop centric, et al. And they are right.
- Robert Scoble
I think FF might be a complex enough web service that it needs to step forward and make its own desktop and mobile clients, in its own vision. Quality clients straight from the horse's mouth would bring the experience out of the browser the way it's meant to be.
- David Chartier
from iPhone
I disagree. Their mobile site is top notch, and as for desktop app, just use a chrome instance on windows or a fluid.app on mac, works beautifully, shortcuts and all.
- Evan Travers
from Android
Scoble: I think Twitter makes it much more difficult to make it display what you want it to display. Without some type of Folder structure, Twitter falls apart keeping order once you follow a certain number of people. FF brings order to the madness.
- manielse
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- Rochelle
1UP Rochelle
- Akiva Moskovitz
ff needs to read my post about how they will make money - that chart would change if they would listen :)
- Allen Stern
thanks for keeping score
- chaz2b
Robert if people can figure out how to navigate the iTunes store or buy something on amazon, then they shouldn't have any trouble figuring out Friendfeed. It's not that complex.
- Jeff P. Henderson
from iPhone
Who is searching for "hip hop distribution" so much and what does that even refer to???
- Mitch
interesting point Robert. I wonder how they could improve it. I know that one thing that I would like would to be able to import all of my Flickr contacts into FF. I think there are a huge number of potential Flickr users who would use FriendFeed if it had that capability. Not sure why they don't implement that. It would be very cool to match up my Flickr contacts with their FF accounts and auto set up imaginary friends for contacts not on FF yet.
- Thomas Hawk
FriendFeed still needs SMS - for instance, in South Dakota I couldn't access or post to FriendFeed, but I could Twitter because I still had SMS. Twitter is simply open to many, many more audiences because of that.
- Jesse Stay
I believe that mostly only after Twitter users have sufficiently "banged their heads against" its unwieldiness with larger "following" counts (and no, Tweetdeck isn't a sufficient solution), do they wake up to the idea that a service like FriendFeed is even necessary (someone that doesn't think Web2.0 info filtering as a huge issue simply doesn't need FF). As such, FF is likely always...
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- Alex Schleber
Jesse - Use an SMS to Email client, FFS.
- Mitch
i'm with alex on the paid features, but not $100/year. maybe $50 or $5/month. and totally agree that FF will remain a great tool for power users as long as it stays in its current form.
- Scott Magdalein
A quick look at Quantcast (the far better measurement tool BTW) and you'll see that Twitter's success is tied to a band of addicts and regulars. 1% of the people make up 35% of the visits. FF hasn't obtained this type of hard core following yet. But Twitter is not converting new people as fast as they were - more than 50% of users have never sent a Tweet. How much is now automated Tweet...
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- AJ Kohn
Scoble has provided the best analysis of why Twitter is taking off and Friendfeed is stalled: noise. It's as simple as that. The FF interface is much too cluttered. Try offering the option to hide all comments and large images by default, and see what happens. Multi-column list view. More powerful automated personal prioritization of news. Radically reduce the noise and clutter, while...
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- Sean McBride
one million unique visitor isnt all that much
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Sean: My argument to this is that FF signal/noise ratio is much better to control in FF over Twitter. First, the engaging posts (like this one) float to the Top. But secondly, I can move people that create more noise than signal to a High Volume Folder. This gets rid of a lot. On the screen real estate, I kind of agree but love being able write longer items (like this). Agree that Filter types needs improving.
- manielse
Technical people, savvy people, early adopters - you know, cool people like us - know about FriendFeed, but if I talk to my family about the web then they'll have heard about Twitter and Facebook and MySpace but there's a complete blank look if I say the magic word FriendFeed. The failure is one of marketing and usefulness; there's nothing complicated or restrictive for mainstream users about using FriendFeed but what will my parents get out of it and how can it be promoted to them for example?
- Mark
Mark brings up a great point, it's the flock effect for most. They go where there friends are or where they think their audience is and that's mass marketed sites. I personally like Friendfeed this audience size (though I understand they would prefer to grow).
- manielse
Interesting... and a shame, as I feel that FF is a better "social networking" service. =/
- Sean MacDhai
FF, a long way to go, but Twitter can't sustain this growth for long time
- Michael_techie
Hello Thomas, Thanks for sharing, have you make any revenue through twitter? How you done this?
- Rohit
Revenue through Twitter? not that I'm aware of Rohit. I've sold a lot of photos on the internet and get money from ads when people read my blog, but I wouldn't say I've made any direct revenue through twitter directly.
- Thomas Hawk
manielse says: "Twitter falls apart keeping order once you follow a certain number of people. FF brings order to the madness." Absolutely not true until you go to the trouble of setting up lists, groups, and searches. All of which you can do on Twitter with clients like TweetDeck. Or, just do as I do: don't follow thousands of people.
- Ian Betteridge
Ian, my point is that I don't need a 3rd party tool to do it in FF. Yes it's a little work but worth the effort IMO.
- manielse
friendfeed is too complicated for the average user, is a pain on mobile(reason I use it less than twitter), and doesn't have Ashton Kutcher or anyone comparable. It's a better product that will never really go "Mainstream Pop".
- Cody Heitschmidt
Friendfeed is where all the really *smart" people are. Yes, I mean YOU. :-)
- Karma Martell
I agree Karma! :)
- Thomas Hawk
Ditto Karma and Thomas! And there's so much more here on FF. You can do so much more with creativity.
- Myrna
"FriendFeed? My friends are all on Facebook. What's a feed?"
- Chris Baskind
My friends are joining Facebook. Twitter not so much (although corporations seem to be catching on). FriendFeed - nada.
- Mitchell Tsai
What does FriendFeed need? IMO Paths, signposts, places-to-go. In my past life doing HCI (Human-computer interface), ~50% of people don't get "directory" structures much less anything so info-rich as FF. See my posts on Myers-Briggs, where most people here are a minority of the general public. People here can read 100+ blogs & new sources. Most people are overwhelmed. If you simplify...
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- Mitchell Tsai
and how many twitter accounts are actually in use, posting and interacting? there are a lot of dead twitter accounts. the main problem with friendfeed is it gives to much power to your friends to change the priority of your posts. there should be a linear mode
- NoahDavidSimon
Chris's post brings an interesting piece to the "too complicated" debate: Facebook is actually more like Friendfeed than Twitter. Facebook is very complicated in many aspects yet it's mainstream. Point being, FF is not really too complicated, it's just not a household name (and I like it that way).
- manielse
How much of Twitter's growth last month was spurred by Michael Jackson's death? I'm guessing it drew a number of new users to the service.
- Mark Wilson
What would I like - "Find me 10 people talking about cancer related topics." "Give me 20 hot technology discussions." "What's happening with 3G networks and the future of WiFi?" "Whose birthdays have been happening?" "Waterfall pictures" "Swimming discussions" etc...
- Mitchell Tsai
Manielse: Facebook is a great way to share pictures... FF is more text-based.
- Mitchell Tsai
Mitchell, I think you are on-target. One approach might be topical subdomains.
- Chris Baskind
Mitchell, you're just subscribed to the wrong people.
- Myrna
Facebook is hardly just about Pictures (yet I admit done much much better than FF) and is very text based.
- manielse
Manielse, ditto
- Myrna
Pictures? I'm on fb and have 1000 friends or more, not as many as Sarah Palin. I love posting pics on FF, better than fb
- Myrna
It's just that regular people like fb. My whole family is on fb and that's a lot of people. They wouldn't be interested in FF.
- Myrna
Facebook also has critical mass. To make another comparison, Tribe.net offered a wonderful service (with some early investor money), but only achieved critical mass in the San Francisco Bay Area - mostly with the alternative "Burning Man" crowd. Tribe.net is kick-butt for SF events, but sucks in LA. MySpace started with the music scene, but managed to grow. Where will FriendFeed go? Can it move past techies, bloggers, and a few photographers?
- Mitchell Tsai
Not unless it develops hooks, as you suggest. Particularly since its community really seems resistant to growth.
- Chris Baskind
Which is a shame: FF is really slick.
- Chris Baskind
Facebook has not reached critical mass with my college classmates (1982-1989, age 40-50). Only 3-8% are on Facebook, and I still haven't seen a mad rush (including my Tech CEO/CTO friends). Most are deathly afraid of the career consequences. Whereas, 30-40% (maybe more by now) are on LinkedIn. My dance communities (a few thousand people) made the cross-over to Facebook in the past year - perhaps 95% are on Facebook (compared to about 5-10% last year).
- Mitchell Tsai
Honestly, most people come to Friendfeed and see constant discussions about Friendfeed. That's just what they see. It's A list narcissism on speed with a mob mentality. And don't take this up with me, look at the graph again. Take it up with the people that come here, see what they do and leave. Maybe it's good that it is that flat to the established community here, but I'm sure the founders cannot be pleased.
- Mike Lewis
I always love the "Most are deathly afraid of the career consequences" quotes. It's so true that people are afraid of these tools. If you think about it HRs would love to see your FriendFeed, less work for them to find all of your online postings. I can understand the fear is being transparent and open but private people in my opinion raises more concerns...makes me question why they are so private?
- manielse
manielse: Because one stupid picture can cost you your job as a high-school teacher. Traditional institutions are so conservative. Some high schools prohibit their teachers from using Facebook (for fear of lawsuits from parents), even though some college professors are now using Facebook in their classes. I have some high school principal friends, and the fear of lawsuits from students...
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- Mitchell Tsai
Some interesting points raised here: http://ff.im/53C52 about FF's lack of growth.
- Kol Tregaskes
Mitchell: I hear you. It's just so sad that these things (Lawsuits & fear of loosing job) happen though. Fear is such a powerful force.
- manielse
And I just shifted completely over to ff this week.
- Rohit
"NRU" hot new iPhone app for finding things in big cities.. Details: - http://ourdoings.com/roberts...
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This is Marko Balabanovic, head of innovation at http://lastminute.com which makes a very cool iPhone app called "Near You" which shows you bars and other items of interest by just pointing your iPhone around. Requires iPhone 3GS because it uses the compass inside.
- Robert Scoble
Location based services will have success, especially on the iPhone.
- Torsten Eckert
It is called "NRU" and it isn't out yet.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
It is the coolest use of compass in new iPhone I have seen so far.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Methinks I'll definitely need to upgrade now.
- Anthony Baker
kind of like a better version of 'aroundme'?
- Chris Heath
Is there some where we can read more about this new app NRU? May be a demo video?
- Vinko
There is a video showing it here - http://lastminutelabs.wordpress.com/2009...
- Russ
Is the same app that's on the Android HTC Magic. it's seems to do exactly the same thing, show you what's in the direction you're pointing the phone
- Rachel Clarke
Rachel: yup, it's the same app as on Android. Very cool, I filmed a video of it on my iPhone but can't get it to upload to YouTube. Sigh.
- Robert Scoble
I'll be keeping an eye on the response from AroundMe.
- Nick Wade
It would be cool if the iPhone recorded compass direction when you took a photo.
- Bruce Lewis
I wish Orlando was considered a "Big City", but it almost never is. I miss out on a lot of city oriented tech out here. Awesome concept, and I think that the augmented reality apps will be a growing phenomenon in the next few years.
- Ryan Massie
I was told AroundMe will have this functionality soon
- Eric Andersen
Hey, Google Maps with user generated photos, built into universal search. One word, awesome!
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Official Google Blog Post here: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009...
- Josh Chandler
I just can't find anything I don't like about Google's universal search, it just doesn't have one fault in my opinion!
- Josh Chandler
How does one submit "user contributed photos"?
- jcunwired
You have to use the website http://www.panoramio.com/
- Josh Chandler
According to the Google LatLongBlog ( http://tr.im/rO8u)
- Josh Chandler
Apparently, more phones are getting improved Google "Universal Search" functionality (http://googlemobile.blogspot.com/2009...) , which is awesome. I love Google.com on my iPhone Safari Web Browser
- Josh Chandler
Google Earth uses Panoramio in the same way
- /Users/genieyclo
wow, what an ideal oppurtunity to get your work noticed! Surely, a bigger audience then that of Flickr.com, correct me if I am wrong?
- Josh Chandler
Probably, especially if your picture is one of the 6 to get on the search page.
- Ryan C
yeah, exactly!
- Josh Chandler
Thanks Josh!
- jcunwired
:), you are more then welcome!
- Josh Chandler
excellent point, genieyclo, I especially like the "photo bubble" representation.
- Richard Walker *exculted*
New iPhone spotted in the wild
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Looks impressive. Was it Steve's idea?
- Nir Ben Yona
Maybe, yes Steve's idea.
- Jacob Yap
iPhone Tips: How To Force Quit An Application in OS 3.0 - http://justanotheriphoneblog.com/wordpre...
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Seesmic's Browser Client Is Like Gmail For Twitter - Washington Post - http://news.google.com/news...
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Seesmic's Browser Client Is Like Gmail For Twitter Washington Post Seesmic, the Twitter and Facebook desktop client developed by Loic Le Meur, is launching its much talked about browser-based Twitter client today at ... and more »
i mean if Twitter, Friendfeed and Facebook are becoming our active social desktops to the web, why arent advertisers here already??
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They're available, they're just not quite convinced.Some ppl are still afraid of changing envrnmnts
- CarolAnnB
Are you talking on FF, or all three? I see advertisers on Twitter on FB, and I am slowly starting to see some on FF. They're coming
- Shevonne
I've seen a few brands on here, but they're not doing much. No straight up advertising yet.
- Brandon Mendelson
yeah, but the immediacy of the craze of using Twitter should be getting them more engaged in attempting tests!
- Josh Chandler
I agree w/you-the twitter rage should entice them; prblm is that many twittizens resist that notion.
- CarolAnnB
:D, I like that one. Twittizens!
- Josh Chandler
;) LOL...I think that's been arnd 4 a while, as is "tweeple."Could say "twits" but that would b so PI LOL
- CarolAnnB
it is still pretty awesome :)
- Josh Chandler
[SteroidFeed]: Here is my new way of watching feeds on FriendFeed. I call it SteroidFeed but it is also a "Multi-Talk" style interface ... the file sits locally and allows me to view multiple topics. I've attached a copy of the simple html. Feel free to modify the html but please leave attribution and share your changes. Leave a URL if on Internet.
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Of course, the version I uploaded does not include my own entries but instead has the iPhone entry as an example. My local copy uses "from:lph" so I can see my entries and add comments quickly. (e.g., this comment is added through steroidfeed.html and not through the site.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
If Adrian Veidt had FriendFeed instead of just satellite TV, this is totally how he would have read it.
- Andrew C
There is a danger, Chrome has trouble with this many connections to FF.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
I borrowed it here, LPH. http://friendfeed.com/louisgr...
- Louis Gray
I've changed this file a bit so that a fourth column is available, and this holds a rowspan of my own entries. This makes tracking easier.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
I should state that the fourth column is an embed so that I can add comments, photos, files, etc. - That code is similar to the one on my personal blog: http://www.layneheiny.com
- LPH™ and his dog P™
SteroidFeed 1.01 is now available: http://friendfeed.com/lph...
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Really cool!
- matiasjajaja
hey i like this!
- Susan Beebe
Have fun Susan
- LPH™ and his dog P™
from iPhone
Interesting use of Iframes for this, gonna play with this, really cool LPH and his Dog. Thanks!
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
Thanks! I'm trying it out now.
- Mark Jepsen
Let me know Susan, Mark, and Dan.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Ah! I like. Thanks.
- Christopher Carr
You are most welcome Christopher Carr
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Trying this on a 1024 x 768 resolution, 12-inch notebook - and it is fine with all four columns.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
I dunno about Adrian Veidt; I'm thinking "Elvis's 21st Century TV Room." Now let's get mad about something and shoot out 1/12th of the screen!!
- Rich
OK - so are you asking - can I span this across multiple monitors? -- because Elvis used to watch multiple t.v.s at the same time.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
(Veidt's TV setup: http://skew.dailyskew.com/uploade... )
- Andrew C
that's great!
- P(aper)Doll
Keep it comin' :)
- Charlie Anzman
I have made a meme of friendfeed embeds here: http://ff.clipotech.com/
- Svartling
Svartling - yes - your setup is nice. I've gone back and forth between 3 and 4 columns. My desktop setup can handle 4 but the notebook (1024x768) can only handle 3. Therefore, http://www.steroidfeed.com is only sitting at 3 right now. I'm also missing the instructions on how to make changes for anyone not familiar with FF.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Yes I was thinking of make 3 columns but I decided to make it 4 because my web stats shows that most visitors have a resolution at 1024x768 or higher. Maybe I will change to 3 columns. Hmm..
- Svartling
Really appreciated man, one of the best things for my following attitude
- Amiroo
If you're responding to someone's Twitter feed, do you limit your comment to fit or do you just fully comment and expect them to link to the part that Twitter cuts off?
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Depends on what the subject it and who I'm talking to. My friends who have neglected FF accounts, I don't limit. People I don't know, I do.
- Anika Malone
I limit to fit
- jbrotherlove
Limit the comment to fit as basically I want to make it easy for them instead of adding redirection
- Joe Dawson
from iPhone
The coolest thing I have seen so far in London? Music service Spotify. But you can't use it in USA yet. It is getting 50,000 new users a day
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Glad you are enjoying my home town!!
- Jim Connolly
I love using Spotify, it really is simple and has nearly every track on there that I'd want! Not sure how much bandwidth it uses, as that might be a problem on Mobile Broadband. Are writing up/putting individual videos up from your time in London?
- Steve Farnworth
The norwegian Music service - @wimp from @aspiromusic is far better! http://wimp.aspiro.com/site...
- robert sørensen
Steve: yes, I put a bunch up at http://www.kyte.tv/scobleizer (including one with Spotify) and a few more at http://scobleizer.blip.tv
- Robert Scoble
robert: why? Can I use Wimp in USA?
- Robert Scoble
Mobile version coming soon. Adverts still not annoying enough to pay for it....yet.
- Andrew Cresswell
we are loving Spotify in London, it's so popular it's setting off it's own memes http://jonathanfromspotifyruin...
- Ian Crocombe
hmm
- Rajeev Prabhakaran Nair
Spotify is awesome but I've had quite a few buffering issues when I've used it. It's probably down to my Internet connection but they really should try to work around that somehow. I mainly use it to previews albums in full before downloading them, so it's bearable.
- Tony Ruscoe
The speed and quality of Spotify are amazing. I've been a subscriber for a while now - best 9€/month I've ever spent :)
- Jan Ignatius
Robert: thanks for the link, will give that a watch! Shame I missed you guys, couldn't get to the Tweetup!
- Steve Farnworth
Is the lack of US presence a US copyright issue? Or careful rollout?
- Andrew Cresswell
Spotify also lets you send your listening history to http://last.fm, so you can keep your music profile updated. its a great service; search is really fast, streaming starts almost instantaneously, xml based playlists you can share, adverts are not that often and iphone app on the way. they dont seem to be catering for developers much at the moment with just the libspotify API for linux clients. If they nail that then i foresee see good things happening...
- hearn
Andrew: careful rollout. Doing live streaming costs a lot of money and they need to have advertising salespeople and way to monetize.
- Robert Scoble
I dont think so, you still have to be invited to use it and Aspiro/Wimp is not overflowing us with inivtes either. Wimps GUI and specially the option to buy song/albums without creditcard (charging your mobile instead) is good. Spotify is better when it comes to sound quality, but Wimp has promised to fix this soon.
- robert sørensen
Americans got Hulu, (some) Europeans get Spotify. Of course there's always proxies. Spotify now has higher quality option for subscribers \0/
- Petteri
Spotify is truly a phenomenon over here, Robert.
- Iain Baker
Spotify has been so successful over here (esp. UK) that it is no longer novel, and considered normal internet use by many! I love it.
- By_tor
Yeah I've been using Spotify for a while now, its great! Still has a few gaps in its music service and recently seems to have removed one album I liked, but in general has most bands/genres covered and apparently constantly adds new stuff.
- Roy Herrod
I love Spotify, it makes me seriously wonder why I have so many gigs of music in my iTunes library. I can't wait till the Android version comes out; for me at least it's then game over for my ipod.
- Christian Cable
Spotify saved my life, i have been going 3 years without listening to anything new, simply because i don't have time to look for new music. Now i use spotify every day (and pay 10€/month for no ads). Using the playlists its so simple to discover new artists. And a shameless plug... me and a friend made a little site for sharing spotify playlists: http://listopify.com :)
- Lasse Johnsen
Rumors say they are hoping to open in the US and release several mobile apps towards the end of the year.
- Lasse Johnsen
I loooove Spotify :) There's another service too, called Voddler (it hasn't opened to the public yet). Which is also a swedish service, like Spotify but for movies and tv.
- Patrik Johansson
Spotify hasn't made it yet? Wow - at least you still have Pandora - we got that then it was cruelly taken from our grasp
- NMInet
Sportify is cool, but have been addicted to Last.fm for a long time. I know they are not exactly the same, but similar enough for me not to change. On top of that you have to listen to commercials if you want the free version, which I am not a big fan of
- Asgeir
spotify is great. blip.fm is superb, with very nice social network features.
- Liviu Barbat
Here in Canada (and most places outside the US) we are blocked from Hulu, Pandora and many others. Is it wrong to feel a little glee about a service that's not available in the US?
- Kevin Fair
Spotify has major drawbacks in that the content is limited when compared to others (check out http://www.we7.com) and you have to download a client to use it. There are much better options. The interface is also unimaginative - a darker less functional version of iTunes.
- Angus Neil
from iPhone
Love Spotify. It's simplicity is a strong point IMO. Angus is it true we7 plays an advert before every song?
- Roland Harvey
from iPhone
Roland, I agree its relatively simple to use but it doesn't give you the visual experience or easy to use but advanced features (such as queueing up a playlist, creating a personal playlist, one click purchase, sharing/embedding etc) that We7 does. Also, having a number of computers (home mac, work pc, netbook ubuntu), flexibility for me is key - when I can stream any music I want in...
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- Angus Neil
it'd be 50k plus one a day if they'd make it available to us yanks.
- motownmutt
Can't get spotify in Italy- even with an invite - but what about http://grooveshark.com ? their catalogue is unbelievable !!
- Nicholas Paul Gordon
from iPhone
I started using Spotify a few weeks ago and I'm getting hooked -- furthermore, with Firefox and Adblock I can see no ads at all! (What is "Ads by Google"?) :P
- Mats Halldin
Take Advantage of Twitter Search Operators - WebWorkerDaily - http://news.google.com/news...
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Take Advantage of Twitter Search Operators WebWorkerDaily While I've noted the advanced Twitter search operators in the past, but wanted to spend some quality time looking at them in more detail. ...
Enterprise 2.0 – A Reflection - http://www.cloudave.com/link...
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Spending a week in Boston at the Enterprise 2.0 conference recently was great. Despite the plethora of channels open to us today (at the moment I have email, Twitter, IM and voice open in front of me) there is no replacement for face to face contact. This is never more so than for someone like myself who lives far from the tech centers of the world – meeting and reconnecting with people is crucial. It was also refreshing to attend a business focused event after a few much more consumer-centric events that I’ve attended of late – the participants tend to have a much more pragmatic perspective on things – ROI is eminently important. Reflecting back on the four days, I have to concur with a number of my fellow attendees who bemoaned the dearth of user case-studies at the event. Conference organizers always need to balance the relative needs of their attendees and their sponsors and align those with the financial imperatives – the general consensus was that the organisers of the...
Tumblr Launches “Submissions” for Community-Driven Blogs - http://www.searchenginejournal.com/tumblr-...
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Dell Supposedly Building Android MID - Web 2.0 Journal - http://news.google.com/news...
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Web 2.0 Journal Dell Supposedly Building Android MID Web 2.0 Journal By Maureen O'Gara Gossip around the industry's virtual water cooler says Dell may bring out a pocket-sized Android-based touch-screen MID this half if it ...
7 Ways FriendFeed Could Better Engage the Flickr Community - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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I like that you post your whole article to Flickr too. Cool idea.
- Kol Tregaskes
Micah Wittman to Micah's feed, FriendFeed Hacks, FriendFeed Feedback, chrisofspades, Mitch, metalerik, Eric Logan, K.D., Willem, Rich, Svartling
friendfeedCommentAnchor - New User script & Bookmarklet to add a permalink to each comment - http://wittman.org/project...
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friendfeedCommentAnchor [v0.1.0] - http://wittman.org/project... - A user script, a bookmarklet and an alternative configuration userscript (has autoCommentAnchor turned ON). To add a permalink to each comment. The hyperlinked text default is "#" (you can change it in the Configuration section to "permalink", "linky", etc in the user script). Works in single post and stream modes. Tested on Firefox and Safari.
- Micah Wittman
Special Note ~ Post image: NOT A HASH TAG :)
- Micah Wittman
I started the group ffhacks to house a concise listing of user scripts: http://friendfeed.com/ffhacks . If you have a script that works on the current version of FriendFeed, and you're its author, write a comment on http://friendfeed.com/ffhacks... with the link and I'll share the original friendfeed post to the group.
- Micah Wittman
Does it only work to other users with the script enabled?
- Andrew Trinh
The anchor is the comment <div> container id which has been there all along; there simply has not been a user interface to conveniently access it. So yes, a URL with the anchor will work for anyone regardless of script usage (tested in Firefox & Safari).
- Micah Wittman
Thank you, Svartling :)
- Micah Wittman
This is awesome Micah, well done! :D It's really non-intrusive too.
- Mitch
splendid work Micah!
- vijay
Thanks, guys.
- Micah Wittman
fantastic. precisely what I had in mind. only tested the bookmarklet so far...I'll have to check out the userscript later.
- chrisofspades
chrisofspades - right on :)
- Micah Wittman
i like bookmarklets.
- Franc ☺
everybody subscribe to Micah's ffscripts group! http://friendfeed.com/ffhacks
- Franc ☺
Hi, Franc :)
- Micah Wittman
Hey Micah. how's it going? ;)
- Franc ☺
ianf, yep. I try anyway. I remember one or two conversations you had anchors - I've wanted access them for a while too. Cheers!
- Micah Wittman
#hashanchors should have been there by default, so that you could spend your time on more creative things rather than fixing FF. In fact, absence of this key element of hypertext, granular addressability, tells me that FFeeders really do not care for comments - they're ffodder to the OPs, which are the only ones that rank anything in the hierarchy of submissions around here. I don't...
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- ianf ⌘
Great feature Micah Wittman thanks. another bookmarklets suggestion plz browse this: http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Nimaa
Installed the script and like it.
- Miss Elle
Thanks, Miss Elle. Take a look or even subscribe to http://friendfeed.com/ffhacks to check out more scripts.
- Micah Wittman
Augmented ID: Augmented Reality Facial Recognition for Mobile - http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
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As mobile phones continue to develop, the improvements to geolocation features, video capabilities, and processor speed combined with APIs from various web services are helping to make augmented reality the next big thing in mobile applications. On open platforms like Android, we've already seen amazing developments, including things like Layar, an augmented reality app that describes the world around you, and TwittARound, an app which shows you nearby tweets. But one of the items on our Augmented Reality wishlist - AU facial recognition - isn't something we've seen come about just yet. It almost seems too futuristic to be real. And yet...here it is. Swedish software and design company The Astonishing Tribe is developing an AU concept called Augmented ID that "sees" people and tells you who they are. Sponsor How Augmented ID Works AugmentedID uses facial recognition and tracking technology from a company called Polar Rose, a photo tagging startup. A few months ago, Polar Rose made the...
Röyksopp – Happy Up Here - http://www.last.fm/music...
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This makes an excellent ringtone!
- Timothy Griffin
I went with "The Girl and the Robot" for now for both ringtone and alarm (it will definitely wake me up), but I might switch things around a bit in the future.
- John E. Bredehoft
Everybody is talking about possible twitter business models. How about friendfeed? Where is the money?
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Money? :-) http://www.micropersuasion.com/2008...
- papachatzis
papachatzis: Is the imaginary friend option, that Steve Rubel refers to, still available?
- Nikos Anagnostou
Imaginary friends are accessible from the bottom of "Friends" link (http://friendfeed.com/setting...)
- Alexandros Georgiadis
Alexandros: Cool! the new interface is still confusing me. Many thanks!
- Nikos Anagnostou
I know what you mean, Niko. I wish the UI were more consistent, centralized and straight forward.
- Alexandros Georgiadis
I Like the UI, I have used to it. It was a bit confusing in the beginning.
- endiaferon
Sourcebooks tries DRMfree books via Smashwords - http://www.teleread.org/2009...
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How to search your Twitter DMs with Google Reader - http://www.christopherspenn.com/2009...
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LANjackal to LANjackal's feed, FriendFeed Talk, Twitter, TheNextWeb Forum, Coming Up NOW, RWW: The Future of Tech, building43, All Things Google
What Is Real Time Search? Definitions & Players - http://searchengineland.com/what-is...
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"There seems to be no end to companies saying they offer real time search these days. And no end to people quoting how Google itself says it wants to improve in the area. But what does real time search really mean? This article offers some definitions and focuses on players in the space."
- LANjackal
from Bookmarklet
@LANjackal I think we discussed this a little while back. Only certain companies have access to the Twitter "firehose". So that's what made me wonder how all these other services were releasing "real-time" search engines.
- Kevin Mohr
Well, we will both learn something tomorrow at Techcrunch's Crunchup then. Lol.
- Kevin Mohr
I suppose we will :)
- LANjackal
This is a very comprehensive on "Real Time Search". Filed.
- Deano @ Byron New Media
http://twitpic.com/9vc9v - IT'S HERE!!! We have delivery people, the saga has ended! #kittasmbp
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Google Chrome OS - coming soon to a netbook near you - http://www.gizmag.com/google-...
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After a gestation period of nine months, Google Chrome is about to have a baby. The father (Google) has announced that it is gearing up to launch a new open source, lightweight operating system. Aimed initially at the netbook sector, Google is working with the likes of Acer, Hewlett-Packard and Lenovo to bring the system to market in the second half of 2010... Tags: Google, Internet, Linux, Netbook, Open Source, Operating system, Security, System Related Articles: Google takes on Microsoft and Mozilla with new Chrome browser - launching today! Google gives sneak peek at Android 2.0 Google Earth goes to Mars Google street view: 360 degree views from any point on the map. Google Earth presents artworks from the Museo del Prado in ultra-high resolution Google Local Search now available in BMW navigation systems
FriendFeed Still Reigns As Conversation King - http://www.bwana.org/2009...
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On Twitter you can drop off of searches and you're royally screwed. On FF you don't have to worry about all the Twitter glitches. The Twitter search glitch has really been the source of MUCH heartbreak, for me and for many others. I loved those Twitter hashtag chats so much. Without them, my life will never be whole again. Too bad Twitter's a free service.
- J. D. Ebberly
hear hear Friendfeed is the best online right now
- Thomas Power
A good desktop client maybe all it needs to be really used by more people.
- David Bausola
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