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Flickr Will No Longer Nuke Your Metadata When They Comply With DMCA Takedown Notices - http://thomashawk.com/2009...
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Result!!!!
- Travis Koger
about time. I wonder if Google/Blogspot's public discussion of DMCA Takedown Notices influenced the legal team at Yahoo any.
- Seth Anderson
It is good how Blogger/Google sends DMCA takedown requests to chilling effects. Flickr should do the same thing. It's a far more transparent way to handle things. A lot of the drama around the Joker/Obama takedown request was simply that flickr was so tight lipped about who filed it and refused to budge or provide any information. I'm not sure why they are so interested in "protecting" people who would abuse the DMCA.
- Thomas Hawk
Discussion of DMCA take-downs should be public, ie The right to face your accuser type of concept.
- Travis Koger
Good point Travis, and for Google/Blogger they are. But then again I doubt that Google enforces DMCA takedowns for "Joe Blow" from "Anywhere, USA". If flickr decided to make their DMCA takedown requests public, like Blogger, they might look foolish for some of them or be criticized when they follow blatantly fake notices. Still, mom always said transparency is the best policy, it would be nice to get Flickr to agree to send notices there.
- Thomas Hawk
Agree, transparency is the best practice... always... it can only ever make you better, ie fixing problems that are highlighted or providing as much information to those that want/need it. Making any decision open allows everyone to see that you are are least trying to be honest with the public (your customers) and not hiding behind those decisions.
- Travis Koger
Thomas - Has Zooomr had to deal with DMCA takedown notices? How has it handled them?
- TranceMist
TranceMist, very little. The last DMCA takedown notice I remember getting was the Michael Crook one which we ignored.
- Thomas Hawk
@TranceMist - I had to send DMCA takedown notices to have my own photos deleted from Zooomr's cache last year...so yes, they have. ;-)
- cmiper
And why didn't a newspaper company acquire Everyblock.com? All I'm going to say is... good question http://newsosaur.blogspot.com/2009... (via @BenLaMothe)
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I'd put all my money on the following answer: Because Adrian said no. I'm sure they tried.
- Ryan Sholin
Sounds plausible to me. However the implied point stands... WHY did Adrian say no? Because newspaper companies are newspaper companies and he's already worked for them, so he knows...
- Jay Rosen
I wonder if some employed in the newspaper biz will try to argue that it would not have made any sense for a newspaper company to try to acquire Everyblock. Watch for that and let me know, will ya?
- Jay Rosen
Newspaper companies ought to be interested, sure, but they may well try to implement this kind of models without paying millions. They didn't need to buy Everyblock to use the (open-sourced) code if it's any good, am I right?
- La Ligne
That is true. http://www.johntemple.net/2009... Most observers have assumed that the purchase was of the team and lead developer.
- Jay Rosen
The FriendFeed Syndrome, I guess ;-)
- La Ligne
@howardweaver to @dangillmor What's the best available evidence that Everyblock can make enough money to matter? :-)
- Jay Rosen
It's a stupid question in the view @derekwillis ... @macloo @jayrosen_nyu not a smart question if you knew Adrian and thought about it from EB's perspective, imho. It's a multi-city app. http://twitter.com/derekwi... Do we have any multi-city newspaper companies? I thought we did. In fact we do, right? *checks quickly...* I just checked: we do!
- Jay Rosen
John Temple, former editor and publisher of the Rocky Mountain News. http://www.johntemple.net/2009... Alan Mutter raises a good question on his Reflections of a Newsosaur blog. "How could MSNBC have scooped the newspaper industry by buying Everyblock.com?" The answer is simple, I think. The newspaper industry is running scared. Many companies are...
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- Jay Rosen
Flickr “Not Currently Working” on Account Restore Feature After Users Suffer Losses of Thousands of Photos - http://thomashawk.com/2009...
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Over two years ago Flickr Founder and former Chief Stewart Butterfield publicly posted that it was a "mistake" for Flickr not to have a mechanism to restore photos that had been deleted on Flickr. He made the comment in response to a photograph of mine that Flickr had censored that he said was not a mistake, adding though that not having a restore photo capability more broadly was in fact a "mistake" at Flickr. Last week there were several stories having to do with account deletions at Flickr. In one case a hacker had gotten a hold of a Flickr users credentials and deleted over 3,000 photos in a user’s photostream. Another case involved a professional photographer who had his entire stream nuked after being informed by Flickr that the reason for this was that he was posting other people’s photos (something the photographer, who had all of his images watermarked with his own copyright info, denies). Yet another case involved a Flickr user who apparently had some of his Flickr photos...
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- Thomas Hawk
crazy, really. Every technological process needs an "undo" button to account for human error, Flickr staff included.
- Seth Anderson
I think the fact that they are not working on something that users think is so vital proves that Flickr is low rent. They will have an extremely low budget and any work that does not move towards better search (and therefore more income for Yahoo) goes completely out the window. It has been a long time since the purpose of Flickr was a photo sharing community. The purpose is now to take advantage of the user base's hard work. The only reason the community still exists at all is to keep users there
- Chris Nixon
This does seem like a massive oversight on Yahoo/Flickr's part. I think Chris is likely correct that there isn't a lot of money going toward projects at Flickr. It (the site) works, and the community is self-sustaining; why mess with it? But the reality is: they really should have "undo". If they don't, another upstart will surely come along and gobble up there market share.
- Denis Sweeney
And wouldn't you know it. Rather than actually answer the question as to why Flickr won't commit to an account recovery policy, Flickr staff simply provides yet another non-answer then locks the thread in order to silence criticism. Zack Sheppard (Flickr Staff) says: "Since the OPs issue has been resolved I'm going to close this down. We have left it open because there was obviously...
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- Thomas Hawk
How likely is the refusal to allow recovery of photos a legal decision. Once Flickr starts recovering lost photos, then they will be on the hook for all images for all accounts. This will transition them to a "back-up" service, not a sharing service. Seems to me they want to operate under a "no guarantees" policy. This allows them to keep their hands clean of liability. I smell lawyers.
- Robert Kenney
Things like this are why I'm not moving "to the Cloud"
- Robert Hafer
from iPhone
EFF Defends Wikipedian's Right to the Public Domain | Electronic Frontier Foundation - http://www.eff.org/deeplin...
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"As has been widely reported, the National Portrait Gallery of London (NPG) recently sent a legal threat to an American Wikipedian, Derrick Coetzee, over his posting approximately 3,000 photos of public domain paintings to Wikipedia. Because of the importance of this issue for the public domain and the Internet generally, EFF has taken Mr. Coetzee as a client. Here's the issue at the heart of this dispute: does something have to be in the public domain in every country on the planet before it can be posted to the Internet anywhere? According to NPG, Mr. Coetzee copied digital photos from NPG's website and uploaded them to Wikipedia (where they are still available). Everyone agrees that the photographs are of public domain paintings in NPG's collection (e.g., this portrait of William Blake painted in 1807). It's also clear under U.S. law that simple reproductions of public domain paintings are themselves not copyrightable, since they lack any "originality" beyond the "sweat of the...
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- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
good for the EFF. Images of public domain paintings belong to the public domain.
- Thomas Hawk
Не все понял,но заинтриговало!
- Владимир
Re: Challenges to Obama's Citizenship Grow -- Taegan Goddard's Political Wire - http://politicalwire.com/archive...
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"this is fucking bullshit."
- Mike Hussein Cohen
idiots with nothing better to do
- Seth Anderson
So I'm heading to Chicago for Memorial Day weekend to photograph the City pretty much non-stop. I've never shot Chicago before. Mostly I'll be shooting vintage neon signs there. Anything else I should definitely shoot? Anyone know of any publicly accessible buildings I can shoot from the top of at dawn/dusk for cityscapes?
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Anything along Miracle Mile. Chicago has wonderful architecture and you will see it around there. Also the El
- Francine Hardaway
from IM
We're also doing a photowalk there Sat. night if anyone's around. http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event...
- Thomas Hawk
thanks Francine, I'm looking forward to Miracle Mile, that's on schedule for our Sat. night photowalk which I'm super excited for. Is the El the subway there?
- Thomas Hawk
It only goes underground in a few places, mostly it's elevated.
- Amyloo
Everyone shoots the Bean, and it can be quite cool playing off the colors of dawn or of the city lights.
- RAPatton
yeah, definitely going to shoot the bean and play with the reflections on that sculpture.
- Thomas Hawk
Just finished my trip there in late April. You will love it. Bring wide angle lenses. Take the architectural tour along the River and into Lake Michigan, Wrigley Building, Navy Pier, contrast the old and new architecture, night pictures from the top floor looking south east and west. Billy Goat's Tavern - the original of the curse on the Cubs. Night life around Rush Street and Carmine's Restaurant. Here are a few highlights http://bit.ly/fizvH
- Alan Morris
Miracle Mile? What is that? Do you mean "Magnificent Mile"?
- Hiro Asari
There's probably a wealth of great opportunities for moody B&W photos of blues musicians.
- jcunwired
Top of the John Hancock Bldg is a restaurant and bar, the views are stunning. The tint on the windows requires a slow shutter speed but I was able to get acceptable results by just pushing the w/a lens flush against the glass for stability. It will be busy during dusk however so you'll be limited in your compositions since most of the windows will have people dining in front of them.
- Rick Bucich
Wrigleyville is a must, take a cab from downtown. That old stadium is one great photo op.
- Rick Bucich
The lobby of the Palmer House Hotel is stunning, a bit like the Palace in SF. Down that way is a black deco building with gold accents. Don't remember the name but if you could get a good angle on it it might be nice; the building is hard to miss. Also an open top tourist boat ride provides a surprisingly good perspective on a lot of architecture that can't be seen otherwise.
- Rick Bucich
Tell Oprah hi
- sofarsoShawn
To be honest, Thomas, you'd do better avoiding the touristy areas like Mag Mile if you want vintage neon especially. I'd suggest going to Wicker Park (take the Blue Line, get off at Division, walk up Milwaukee Ave towards Damen and make a loop back down Division). Lots of quirky businesses out there. Also the Pilsen area (Orange line takes you close, or the Pink Line), extending south...
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- Seth Anderson
…I usually geo-tag my photos, here are a few Chicago neon you could look for http://www.flickr.com/search...
- Seth Anderson
One final thought: if you take photographs of the Boeing building or the Daily News Building (directly south, very cool Art-Deco building), even from the sidewalk, you will probably be harassed by ignorant security guards.
- Seth Anderson
i dont know if anyones said this already but... this weekend they opened the art museums modern wing its free i think i might check that out.
- Wesley Robin Guerrero
I'd suggest a river walk. There is a walk along Wacker Dr that is good for some downtown shots.
- ChiliMac
Chicago's Fest season starts this weekend. The Galiec Park Irish Fest my give you some great shot ops. http://www.chicagogaelicpark.org/Irish_F...
- ChiliMac
See if you can get into Gino's to get shots of some of the walls.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
You mentioned the "El". I've taken some of my favorite shots there (http://www.flickr.com/photos...). I think I'm going to shot every stop I hit on the "El" as a summer project. Oh, this is very touristy but I think you'd get some cool shots fromt he Ferris Wheel at Navy Pier.
- ChiliMac
Sorry for the post spam. One more thought. Be sure to bring your $2. You'll have lots of opportunities to ad to your projects while you're here. I'm looking forward to Saturday.
- ChiliMac
Ok, my last post....for today. 2 more events to consider for shooting. The Randolph Street Market Fest (http://tinyurl.com/q72okh) is in the old meat packing district. I don't think you do many action shots but another event that might provide some good material is Bike the Drive (http://tinyurl.com/cqrtng). They shut down Lake Shore Drive from 5:30 am to 10:30 am.
- ChiliMac
I'll see you there! My past visit to Chicago was so enjoyable that flying down for this was a no-brainer. In my walk around Chicago I kept going back to the bean just to capture it at different times of the day. Chicago also probably has the most impressive set of skyscrapers in the US.
- Owen Byrne
I can't wait to see my city through your eyes!!!
- David Cook
from fftogo
Wrigleyville is an ok place to shoot as long as Cubs season is over. I'm going to request that day off and join the photowalk
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of course I am jealous... can't wait to see what you get...
- Paula W
Plug2 grew up in Chicago, ive asked her to email you with some suggestions. Jealous of your trip, man -- Chicago is a really great city!
- Plug1
Too bad the "Magikist Lips" are gone.
- Fred Yankowski
thanks all for so many great suggestions. I'm super excited about the trip! Some great suggestions in here. Appreciate it. Looking forward to seeing folks on the photowalk on Sat. http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event...
- Thomas Hawk
Not really a photo opportunity (other than maybe standing in line which could be an adventure in itself), but I highly recommend that you attempt to see Too Much Light Makes The Baby Go Blind while you are there: http://www.neofuturists.org/
- Rachel Lea Fox
I second Rachel's advice. It's a lot of fun, and different every time.
- Kevin Fox
Thomas, you'll see the El train just West of the Bean meet up Saturday night. For the most part, it's a loop around downtown.
- Michael
I skimmed the thread and didn't see mention of Millennium Park... There's no vintage neon nearby (that I know of), but the Cloud Gate is a fascinating thing to photograph, IMO. I'd be very interested to see the Thomas Hawk treatment of the Cloud Gate! :) The LED fountains are also fun to photograph, or at least the kids playing around in the water make fun subjects. Pity that we're...
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- Cheryl Jones
There's a great lil sports bar that has the absolute best burgers in town at Madison and Clinton called Dylan's. It's just one mile west of Millenium Park, about 10 blocks.
- Michael
Ok... Turns out I can't go Saturday but have fun in sprit!
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++ Blue Division stop. Less photo ops north of North at Damen. Try Lincoln Sq or Logan Sq for older neon and authentic Chicago charm. Wrigley may be annoying if there's a game, but pretty in the morning and bfast at Common Ground is good.
- Sarah Miller
The L is underground by Mich. Ave. If you end at the river, walk into the loop to Clark & Lake. If you end North of where you start, walk west. The brown line is 100% elevated.
- Sarah Miller
I'll be there! Billy Goat Tavern has a cool neon sign.
- Mark Williamson
from BuddyFeed
The John Hancock now has an open-air portion in the viewing platform. It does have metal bars nut that might be better than tinted glass
- Robert Felty
skimmed the thread and didn't see mention of Buckingham Fountain. It and the people at night are lit.
- moon_shadow70
look forward to seeing the pics. you always have great ones
- (jeff)isageek
Really excited to be heading to Chicago tomorrow. Mark, that Billy Goat Tavern is on my list. Thanks all for such great suggestions. Keep them coming if you know of other cool stuff. I think I'm going to go up into both the Hancock and the Sears Tower observation decks. They seem to be the two main ones. Millenium Park, the river, Navy Pier. I'm making a map and am hoping to hit as many things as I possibly can in four days.
- Thomas Hawk
Hey TH, I should be there for the photowalk as well. Great that you are coming to my home turf! One spot that is a must at night is out by the Adler Planetarium. Great spot for skyline shots. Rush Street is a must for some neon. Seth Anderson had some really great ideas beyond downtown you should check out via the El. Downtown the Chicago Board of Trade is a classic. Of course Marina...
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- Jim Porett
cool. Yeah, I've got Marina City on my list as well. Will add the Adler Planetarium at night as well. Thanks!
- Thomas Hawk
While you are there, go to Hot Dougs. Opps, it's most likely closed this weekend. hotdougs.com. Tell him Andy Bakun sent you. He'll claim he doesn't know me.
- Andy Bakun
A challenge. I'll be at the bean before 7 am Saturday: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Owen Byrne
My office has a 7th floor roof deck in the West Loop (warehouse district) with fantastic views of the skyline to the east...If you look at a map, it's near Lake & Halsted. I'll be at the photowalk tonight and I'll try to mention it if you're interested.
- Tom
George Bush, Skull & Bones and the New World Order - http://www.ctrl.org/essay1...
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Should Yahoo/Flickr Be Advertising Paid Pro Memberships as “Ad-Free Browsing and Sharing” When They In Fact Plan on Advertsing at Them? - http://thomashawk.com/2009...
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But if McDonald’s and Visa are not enough for you, maybe you ought to check out the Nikon Digital Learning Center. Or how about the Kiss and Be Kissed Group (sponsored by Nivea)? Or you can tell Kodak what your story is here. Or you can hang out in the uber cool “Life’s for Sharing” group sponsored by Deutsche Telekom (warning it’s in German). Or check this out. Ford Motor Company is now inviting a few very lucky select flickr members to be a guest editor on their “This is Now” blog through their “This is Now” group on Flickr (your bailout dollars hard at work I guess). All of these groups, by the way, are now prominently displayed on the main groups page for all free *and* paid Pro account Flickr members. Now. I’m as much for Yahoo/Flickr making money as the next Taurus driving Nikon shooting hamburger hawking clown. But the point is, why are they pumping all these adverts out at paid members when they promise you an ad free experience on Flickr if you pay and upgrade to Pro. Whatever happened to, in the
- Thomas Hawk
Agreed. It's sloppy. Hiding them is a least an option. Some paid members may well like to participate or at least know about some of these "paid groups/advertorial/contests". I hid mine and I'm fine with that. Good on Yahoo for trying to monetize the site. If they are successful with it, then Flickr may stick around instead of being marginalized or forgotten by the non-using management team of Yahoo.
- Robert Kenney
If Flickr is getting paid for this stuff, then they should offer a rebate or a extra value service for the paying members. Personally I'd like some cash back.
- Grant Bierman
I'm totally *not* against flickr getting paid. They are a company and deserve to make a profit. I just think it's misleading to tell people that by upgrading to Pro that they can have an ad-free experience and then not delivering. If they need to charge more for Pro accounts so be it. But to mislead people is wrong in my opinion.
- Thomas Hawk
Advertise to the free accounts all you want. And even advertise to the paid Pro accounts if you remove the "ad-free" claim in your advertising. Although personally I've always liked (and have paid) for the privilege of an ad free flickr experience. I worry that this is just the start of a new trend on Flickr and hope it can be nipped in the bud so to speak, and by bud, I don't mean Budweiser.
- Thomas Hawk
Umm NO!! That is bad, really bad
- Susan Beebe
Wait, the promise is "ad-free browsing and sharing." Thomas, aren't these sponsored sections separate from the browsing and sharing features? To me, Flickr is just saying that pros won't see any banner ads when they browse or share. But I don't use Flickr much so maybe I'm totally wrong.
- Stephen Mack
Stephen: that's pretty much my take. To me, a sponsored group isn't an ad if the content is user-generated and "organic". I admit that's a pretty tricky line, though.
- Roger Benningfield
from BuddyFeed
Is what they are doing an "advertisement" or "product placement"?
- TranceMist
Are they really planning to advertise on my pro account??? I thought they were making enough money advertising on all the photo pages that come up in yahoo search...
- Paula W
Stephen, the sponsored sections aren't really separate. Ads for these groups appear on 100% of Pro members pages when they go to the main "groups" page on Flickr. You can choose to hide them there but of course many paid accounts will not and will be repeatedly advertised to until they choose to click on hide there. Even then though these paid sections will still appear in search results (and not distinguished as sponsored groups, like say a Google ad would be segregated from regular content).
- Thomas Hawk
So if someone was say searching for Visa on Flickr, they would come across this group (on the first page search result by the way) even if they'd previously clicked on "hide" on the actual banner ad. Flickr is slowly integrating paid groups into your paid Pro viewing experience. The intrusions may seem small and no big deal at this point, but it crosses a line in my opinion and think it should at a minimum be disclosed. I also think paid groups ought to carry that disclaimer in search results.
- Thomas Hawk
There is no way to opt out of seeing paid groups in your search results. The spirit of what Flickr is selling with their Pro accounts is an ad free experience and what they are doing is selling access to these paid members to corporate interests in a round about way. I worry that it's just the tip of the iceberg. Again I have no problem with flickr adverts. Facebook advertises at me and I could care less. It's more about the paid account their promise and disclosure.
- Thomas Hawk
Can't we finish off being pissed at the people we were pissed off at last week before we go looking for more people to be pissed off at? I'm reaching my pissed off quota and it's only the first quarter
- Matthew DeVries
There's a (Hide) link right next to the sponsored groups if you don't want to see them there.
- Glen Campbell, B.A.
Glen, even if you click "hide" they still show up in search results on Flickr (many people won't click hide of course and they still get at least that first shot at you on one of the most prominent pages on flickr). John, I absolutely agree that they have a right to try and sell you stuff. That's the bargain you make with them. I just think that if they want to do that to paid accounts then they shouldn't advertise them as ad-free browsing.
- Thomas Hawk
how did I not here of these guys until now? http://www.youtube.com/watch... anyone who samples Congotronics is a big win
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Want to Know What Flickr Thinks Should be Censored, Public Art, Museum Paintings and Screenshots of the Flickr Blog When They’re Critical of Flickr - http://thomashawk.com/2009...
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The first of the images of mine censored by Flickr is of a sculpture that sits in the middle of Rodeo Drive in Beverly Hills. It’s public art approved by the City of Beverly Hills and seen by thousands of children every year. Unfortunately Flickr deems the image too risque for the public view and has instead chosen to censor it. The second image of mine censored is of a painting by artist Mel Ramos that hangs in the Oakland Museum of California. Again, a public museum visited by children every single week of the year. The third image of mine censored by Flickr is of a screenshot of the Flickr Blog announcing the Yahoo acquisition of Flickr from back in 2004 stating, “…but we’re going to stay true to our vision and to the people who made us what we are — that’s you, the Flickr pioneers…” The post was critical of Flickr who many feel have not stayed “true” to their original vision. The fourth image of mine censored is a screenshot of an interview that I did with the website Black Star Rising. The fifth ima
- Thomas Hawk
Good point here. Flickr censorship are very random.
- Håkan Dahlström
It's really too bad that Flickr takes this kind of approach on censorship. I really don't think they should be censoring anything (short of child porn), but if they are going to censor their members' photos, they should at the very least have a very specific set of guidelines that they follow. And these guidelines should be posted prominently on the site, so their members know exactly what's going on, and to what standard they are being held to.
- Brandon Wood
Furthermore, users in Germany, Singapore, Hong Kong, China and South Korea are permanently barred from seeing restricted images, even if they have a Pro account. Supposedly because Yahoo fears lawsuits from overzealous porn prosecutors.
- Nils Sandin
@Nils And Germany as well? Must be the prohibition on the Nutty Pinwheels.
- Christopher Harley
it does suck that adults in Germany, et al, can't see boobs on Flickr even when signed in as an adult even though they can see them on commercials in Germany. I think the thing that bothers me the most about all of this is that it happens quietly and behind your back. I feel that if Flickr is going to censor you that they should at least have the courtesy to notifying you that they are doing it to you and why.
- Thomas Hawk
Censorship and communication re: censorship is the consistently bad part of Flickr, ever since their beginnings, actually. Early on (pre-Yahoo purchase), Flickr marked my entire stream as "restricted", but I never did find out why, or why it was changed (other than me complaining)
- Seth Anderson
You're right Seth. Flickr has consistently had a censorship problem. I'd just like to see them make some systematic changes to improve this. Starting with notifying people when they censor them. I don't think that this is too much to ask. Especially as a paying customer of the site I think I should be allowed to be told by them if/when I'm being censored and why.
- Thomas Hawk
ok, flickr has uncensored 4 of my 5 images now. Still working on getting the fifth one uncensored. I'm also hoping that they'll agree to notify users in the future when they mark their work "restricted."
- Thomas Hawk
Good work, Thomas. That's great news.
- Alberto Lopez
Welcome to Social Media Fascism! FAIL
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Let's all just abandon flickr and zooom over to Zooomr. Much better atmosphere there.
- Bill Scherer
I don't mind a "possibly objectionable content" flag (though I'd like it to be broken down into categories) for the benefit of people who aren't necessarily prudes themselves but have bosses who are. But the way the Flickr/Yahoo bends over backwards for the "It's for the children" crowd really gets under my skin. And I completely agree that they shouldn't flag a photo without notifying the user.
- Eric P
Eric, exactly, notification is probably the single biggest issue here. If Flickr is going to censor you I think that they have an obligation to let you know when it happens and why. Doing it behind your back is BS. My own images were censored for months and I didn't even know about it until I figured out the fairly obscure way of using the organizer to find these censored images.
- Thomas Hawk
Flickr just closed the thread where this was being discussed in the Flickr Help Forum allowing no more commentary on the topic. Not surprising of course: http://flickr.com/help... They never did agree to notify users when they are being censored going forward.
- Thomas Hawk
Want to Know Why People Don't Respect Police? Read the Comments in This Cop Forum on the Oscar Grant Shooting - http://thomashawk.com/2009...
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Today was my first visit to this police forum. It is very telling about the attitudes that so many police have simply by reading comments in this forum, what they choose for their taglines, etc. Sounds like some police departments might want to offer sensitivity training on how their officers ought to present themselves and behave online. Sad that justifying this shooting is given way more emphasis than any sort of compassion for the victim.
- Thomas Hawk
This is very disheartening and sad. It's as if they've already set up the rules by which officers can play and anyone who doesn't is apt to be brutalized or worse. There is NO compassion for the victim; a man who was shot in his back. I'm speechless. Seriously, as a man of color, in a major city like Los Angeles, this kind of stuff really scares me.
- Derrick
Modesto police once againt killed a disabled man. they're already refusing to discuss what happened and trying to hope it'll go away. he was shot 3 times. http://tinyurl.com/8mtqa9
- Jason Shultz
from twhirl
I certainly understand that some police shootings are justified, but the callousnes that police officers show in a forum like this is disheartening. While a few cops offered more balanced comments, the overall tone offers very little compassion for the victim involved in this case. That's disappointing to me.
- Thomas Hawk
@TH, I'm a bit disappointed that you didn't offer a clearer look at the forum's comments. I realize that your post was about how bothered you are about those few you saw as callous, but you skew the discussion, when you only report part of your observation. Yes, you added that observation of balance in the comment above, but it's a bit late, and not on the original post.
- Trevor Carpenter
Trevor, despite a few posts which I felt were more balanced, I felt the overall tone of both this thread, as well as the one that was subsequently deleted on my own run in with the Long Beach Harbor Patrol, were largely of the attitude that the cops can do no wrong, the media sucks, and how dare you question authority. I did link to both threads though (one of which is now deleted) that people can read in their entirety to make up their own minds.
- Thomas Hawk
perhaps a couple of the especially loathsome comments though influenced how I perceived the threads.
- Thomas Hawk
these comments here by the way are a part of the comment section of the original post as I have all of the comments here flow over to my blog.
- Thomas Hawk
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