I like having each service as an individual contact. Much easier. Can we see the same for Pownce?
- Chris Nixon
Well, IMified has taken bot to a next level.. I even created a customized option to check my google calendar appointments for today (a quick schedule for today) by interacting with bot! Not sure, if they have one for Pownce..
- Jigar Mehta
from bTT
One year later. Just bumping this because it's the one year anniversary of the only item on FriendFeed to get more than 400 likes. (452 at the moment)
- Ken Sheppardson
I think you're right on the money about Zuckerberg: just imagine if Apple started listening to the peanut gallery. I don't think having companies try to pitch us every time we make a move online is the answer, and I think companies already know it (which is why you weren't contacted, among other reasons): if anything would cause a mass migration it would be that. People cannot stand...
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- Mark Trapp
Glad to see someone gets it. It's not about early adopters now for Facebook.
- Mike Seidle
Yeah, Apple does some really anti-user things once in a while. Rocky just got his new MacBookPro and said "where's the firewire 400 port?" Anti user. But, in the long run, probably the right thing to do.
- Robert Scoble
Mark: friendfeed is showing how to do the "better search" part. Already I can tell friendfeed "show me all items that have the word 'stroller' in them that have two or more 'likes'". That's not yet possible on Facebook, but I bet it will be by the end of the year.
- Robert Scoble
Brilliant article; right to the point.
- Pavel Senko
Similar to this is the story about Google currently testing around 50 shades of blue. It might seem crazy, but when you have Google's traffic volume, a miniscule change could significantly improve the user experience, even if only subconscious. Nightmare for a designer perhaps. But in the larger scheme of things, a good move.
- Graham English
Zuckerberg is smart. An insightful business machine with clarity! Excellent listing of the 7 phases of FB. It's easy to see the growth thus far and where the potential is. Thanks Robert! And congrats to you and Maryam!
- Amy Flynn
If Facebook did listen then nothing would have ever changed.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
By the way, Facebook hasn't listened to me, either. If it did, I'd have more than 5,000 friends. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert: if they do that, then they have it made. FriendFeed is nice, but its missing the information about who I am as a person, instead favoring to define me by what I do or like online. After a year of using FriendFeed, I'm not sold on that being the best approach, especially when things like "like" require other people to feed the engine. I'm really into philosophy of language,...
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- Mark Trapp
I get why people don't like the new layout on facebook but I actually like it. It seems more interesting. It seems like a lot more people on my friend list are engaging with it and sending out more missives. There is more of a stream of stuff. And I like that.
- Aidan Mann
Mark: yup, and I've told the friendfeed team they should let me skin my profile and add more data to everyone. Facebook is way ahead there and I'm not sure friendfeed will catch up. Friendfeed, though, is far better for creating public conversations and I don't see Facebook going there and Twitter has no leadership willing to piss off its current users to go there.
- Robert Scoble
Aidan: have you ever wondered why Twitter is getting more hype than Facebook despite Facebook growing in #s of people far faster? I have. Easy: Facebook doesn't yet allow public entities. IE, celebrities, news organizations, etc. That's going to change pretty quickly. Then what will happen to Twitter's hype machine? It will shut down.
- Robert Scoble
It's true. The great Business prof and writer Clayton Christenson always says one of the worst things you can do is listen to your customers. They will drive you right out of business. If they listen to their customers' demands they will leave themselves vulnerable to what he calls "disruption from below" ie, in this case FriendFeed and Twitter.
- Stephen Pickering
Apple does anti-user stuff MOST of the time, not some of the time.
- Matthew DeVries
Steven, I don't think Christensen said that at all. You aren't vulnerable to disruption from below until you've actually risen, and you don't rise far if you are always chasing new sales and ignoring your current customers. The mistake is only listening to your best customers at the expense of marginal customers. That cedes fertile ground to upstarts. That doesn't mean that it is smart to alienate much of your existing customer base, as FB seems to have done, trying to crush an upstart.
- Erik S
No offense to anyone :-D but the comparisons to Apple? I mean, come ON. Apple is *visionary.* Jobs said "I see a smartphone that people enjoy using," and lo, it was done. Jobs said "I see a day when music will be DRM-free," and lo, it came to pass. That's *vision.* Facebook is *imitative.* They are borrowing from Twitter and Friendfeed. Imitation is in their DNA, going back to Facemash...
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- Karim
I don't agree with part of what you say in your post, Robert. I think Facebook does listen to what its users say even if that doesn't always translate into doing what those users want. The terms of use issue is a great example of this as is its promise to incorporate user feedback if enough people demand a particular change to its future terms of use. Where I agree with you is that Zuckerberg must press ahead with what he and his team feel is the best direction for Facebook despite minority protest.
- Paul Jacobson
"Then what will happen to Twitter's hype machine? It will shut down" That is pretty bold :-)
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Great food for thought. But I strongly disagree. The previous changes to FB added to the site's functions, but in many ways the latest round of changes have changed the fundamentals of the way FB works. It smells to me of a company desperate to find a real revenue stream ... the ad network just doesn't work effectively, the applications and API are all but dead, and now the useful tools like events and groups have been pushed into the background in favour of a suite of copycat Twitter-alike functions.
- Toby Hede
I strongly disagree with you on this topic Robert. I have been a part of social networks in Turkey for a very long time now and I have seen why and how the trend shifted from one network to an other. The reason people settled on Facebook was because it was mainstream and appealed to the casual user. You and I can filter a massive feed from networks to see only what we need to see but the casual user can`t. Many will switch to an alternative if Facebook insists on its new model.
- Tuna
I actually think the outrage over this new design is less than the last time... and I hear everyone always threatening to leave if they don't switch back... please, it may happen one day but the very nature of facebook keeps them safe from people just leaving... people will whine, they'll threaten to leave, and then they'll get over it...
- Shawn Duffy
from twhirl
how to eat a big cake?!!a part at once. this is what FB are making they are trying to make the user adapt to change in a progressive way, many change are to come personally I enjoyed robert post, it is very instructive, and I agree at a point you may not listen to your costumer, but there is no reason to say it to them. leader some time have to keep some observation for themselves, and to not comment on any thing.
- abdellah
Google figured this out a long time ago. What users actually DO online far outweighs what they say they do. Hence, initiatives like Google Labs
- Jim
@Jim: I wish I could bottle that motto and make sure everyone understood it. Too many take qualitative research and let it guide decisions and then become confused when the product isn't effective.
- AJ Kohn
Because in the end it is about making Mark Zuckerburg (even more) rich off of our information. Recording each and every like, click, and post to better help target our eyes towards a bunch of useless garbage and trying to own our images, thoughts, and ideas along the way. I suppose knowing that might help avoid being played.
- Tim
I will wait. I like that you predict such nice things, but I am not sure that a bad user interface is what will bring in the business. On the other hand, I am still waiting for the revolution predicted in Naked Conversation and the Long Tail to happen, so a bit more wishful thinking won't hurt. I agree that FB has to move forward and they should go the way they want to go, otherwise it will end up in a mess.
- Roland Hesz
Reread the post, and yes, I am positive that the current user interface mess up has not much to do with the bring in the business. Making it harder for people to find anything will make it harder to move forward I think. But it Zuckenberg's toy, he should do it the way he wants. Probably has a long range plan.
- Roland Hesz
Robert, hadn't actually stopped to think why twitter was getting so much hype. I have a touring bicycle. It's inspirational to get tweets from Lance Armstrong. How this will translate to Facebook in the future will be interesting to say the least. My daughter works as a graphic designer, is more a myspacer than a facebooker, she tweets but mainly as a device to communicate with me. Her comment to me recently was that she has noticed business everywhere including twitter handles. Congrats by the way! ;]
- Aidan Mann
just think people don't like changes, so that's why they keep arguing bout the new design. Even if the changes are for good, people dont like it so they complain... not leaving, but complaining all time.
- Dani Martínez
Henry Ford said "if I'd given customers what they want, I would have invented a faster horse."
- Tom Landini
I'm not getting the "objects in the social graph" part of the later phases in Robert's post. Can someone provide an example? How about where to find out more?
- Tom Landini
people didnt like the fb change, yes, including me. After reading above blog i came to know the intent & agreed also. So, people could be making opinion just based on UI changes, without knowing the reason, like me? Was it possible for fb to handle it better?
- Roshan Ramachandran
from twhirl
Tom, I took that to mean things like, "You are now following @MarsPhoenix," "The U.S. Government is now following you," "You have a new friend request from the 2nd Floor Break Room Coffee Pot."
- Karim
Will Facebook listen to the public and change it's frontend, probably not until user numbers vastly drop. Do I like the new look? No. Will I stop using Facebook? No. Why? Well I know how facebook works enough that I can get the information that I used to get from the frontend other ways. It's just harder to get. It's for this very reason I believe the users will carry on using Facebook. They don't like it, but they can get by. Hence facebook will think the majority like it & it's the minority moaning
- Paul Bainbridge
@Karim: Thanks. So that means the US Gov't and the Coffee Pot can see all my posts etc. on Facebook, I guess. But if it also means I can see all of the stuff on their networks, that opens things up pretty wide. And I guess I can see who's been drinking coffee on the 2nd floor when I'm away.
- Tom Landini
sadly, the US Government almost never posts pictures from that wild party where it got drunk and destablized a foreign government. also, the Coffee Pot just tends to whine a lot about how you haven't refilled it lately (despite location awareness showing you were in the same room twice today), and it complains when you don't fill it up with the "right" brand of expensive coffee and then gets all petulant and moody because it thought you and it were friends.
- Karim
Pity people without Facebook; they never know what the gov't is doing and have to suffer the coffee pot's silence. Hey, wait and minute ....
- Tom Landini
....They get news from other places? Facebook seems useless from my point of view.
- ralphsaunders
@Karim - The Poor Coffee pot, will it ever learn? ;)
- Tyson Key
@Karim - i'm fairly certain the gov't can see what you're doing whether on FB or not. wave to the g-men!
- .LAG liked that
ErikS Facebook hasn't risen already? Are you kidding me? If nothing else he simply couldn't stand still while everyone was spending their time on Twitter or his business would die. He had to shake things up, even if it were just for the sake of shaking things up. I like it. Competition is fun and healthy and gives us more valuable products and services.
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen,are you kidding me? You said that "Clayton Christenson always says one of the worst things you can do is listen to your customers. They will drive you right out of business." That's a mischaracterization, I explained why. Taking it on your own terms, you're suggesting Facebook got as far as it did without listening to customers? I don't buy it, given that there are multiple examples to the contrary. True, sometimes businesses have to risk alienating customers. We'll see how it turns out this time.
- Erik S
It always amuses me when there are these grand pronouncements. I'm shit, I was a terror on Twitter, with nearly 17,000 tweets and tirades that went sometimes up to 70 in a row. Now, I'm lucky if I tweet ever couple days or so. Why? Cuz the service sucked donkey balls and I went someplace else. I suppose I should throw a party press conference and have ponies present. I mean really, I can't be alone in this thinking, here. /shurg
- Eric Rice
from Bookmarklet
Makes me think of your one week of posting only to Jaiku instead of twitter and how that pissed everyone off. Last night I was thinking how Jaiku still have the best layout for meeting new people and flow of content.
- Christian Burns
Well Twitter can do no wrong, like an abusive spouse who keeps slapping you and you keep coming back because they apologize. A lot. I'm fully aware of what an extreme and sensationalist comparison that is, but I can't think of anything else where I've seen this rampant BUT WE LOVE TWITTER behavior except in that awful scenario.
- Eric Rice
Wow - is this still floating around? :-) I'm one of few that can say they didn't touch Twitter for 3 whole months. I actually enjoyed it, while I found it amusing that others were offended that I would make such a move. Twitter has developed this cult following that IMO, too many people are too reliant on. Everyone should always maintain the mentality of best tool for the job. I'm back on Twitter now due partly to my business, and partly to the network, but if it ever makes sense, I would leave again.
- Jesse Stay
You sure about that? ;) Both my homes are on water.
- Eric Rice
Hope they have more than 5 locations tomorrow.
- Jason Wehmhoener
I don't think that's important. They'll have opened it to all the people who haven't seen it and roll things out subsequently. Remember, let's not be needygreedy geeks that want it all, perfect, and on Day One.
- Eric Rice
k, well, i'm kinda done playing pool for now. and what happened to the RC boats? I was looking forward to that.
- Jason Wehmhoener
Great post. I use FriendFeed as a Yahoo! Pipes replacement. Set up a FF account, bring in all your favorite RSS feeds, publish your FF to Twitter, and get updates in Twitter when there are updates to your favorite blogs. Great for industry specific Twitter groups. Wish you could do this in Rooms rather than having to set up a new FF account. Both the FF and Twitter accounts can be private, too.
- Dominic Jones
from twhirl
IRWebReport, the only thing Pipes still does better is the handling of dupes.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
@ aka Tina, I wouldn't know. I tried using Pipes a long time ago and gave up after 10 minutes. This is one case where FriendFeed *is* simple. :-)
- Dominic Jones
I like FriendFeed better for having a converstation then I do twitter. With Twiiter you have too many people tweeting and you can't keep up with a converstation.
- Patrick
from twhirl
In reading anti-Muslim comments out there, I can only offer one dark prediction: User-generated police states.... the more I read of people the more I believe that fascism and tyrannies are the desired outcomes against those who are considered enemies. Man, do these religions need better PR.
I'm not sure what you mean by "user generated police state". Surely the two things are opposites? Do you mean the people of one country, say the US, wanting a police state in another, say Pakistan?
- jjprojects
jj: the belief that 'oh we don't like/want facism' and yet, we might actually want it... maybe it's not user-generated per se, but if it comes from the bottom up, that's *different*... it's like privacy stuff. The more we post post post share share share, yeah, privacy is GONE and we made it happen. That's where I was going with that.
- Eric Rice
Eric - expound on this ... jjproject is right.. this is a little confusing. Where would the police state exist? I am assuming where ever there are conflicting views?
- Susan Beebe
No genie, but that's a good point, esp in light of the 'please stop twittering'... you can't and won't stop that without censoring the internet, at a country or corporate level. But anyway, the internet firewall is another thread.
- Eric Rice
Ah I see what you mean, I think. It's about sharing popular opinion, and negative stuff feeding on itself, leading to a bad place.
- jjprojects
Ah yes, the internet firewall. We are fighting the govt doing exactly that in Australia at the moment, and it's a labor govt too (equivalent to US democrats). They want to filter the web here #nocleanfeed
- jjprojects
jj - this government is almost as conservative as the last, i think the last election was a lot of "new media hype" and the better of two evils...
- Terry O'Fee
Ooooh that! not cool... do NOT want!
- Susan Beebe
Reading "1984," I always assumed, that for the vast majority of people in Oceania, "Big Brother is watching YOU" was a *comforting* slogan. Big Brother watched over you, protected you, stood up for you when you were attacked. Everyone loved Big Brother. If you didn't, it just meant you were mentally ill and/or in need of "re-education."
- Karim
People end up with the Government they deserve
- Robert Hafer
And despite having slept on it and theoretically having cooled down, I'm more mad today than yesterday.
- Dave Slusher
This is also why, despite people looking at me strangely, I often choose the paid-for option or the self-hosted option over the free service-based one when it comes to online services. I'd rather pay my way than have the rug pulled out from underneath.
- J Wynia
It definitely is the hidden cost of free. I still don't understand what cost is so burdensome that you can't leave the server turned on, stop development on the product and have a minimal part time admin doing DB backups periodically. For that matter, sell off Sandy to someone else.
- Dave Slusher
I haven't checked into the details of this sale yet, but did they also buy Stikkit.com, which was the API under much of Sandy?
- J Wynia
"Values of n will be shutting down existing products. However, the technology behind the scenes will live on and potentially re-emerge as part of Twitter's systems, services, user experience, or open source libraries." http://blog.twitter.com/2008...
- Paul Reynolds
Basically, they bought the guy out just to get him on board. Personally, I'd prefer to monetize my own products and keep working for myself rather than jump on a drowning whale. Or at least take employment with Twitter and keep Values of N as his own. They must've offered a helluva signing bonus. Which explains that grin in the link.
- Paul Reynolds
Matthew, when FriendFeed adds the push to identica and reply to identi.ca with a checkbox feature parity with their Twitter integration, I'll use it.
- Dave Slusher
Yeah, I signed up but I'm not hooking it up to Twitter.
- Paul Reynolds
Dave, I'm with you. Friendfeed, can we see the identi.ca option added? That would be a major plus.
- Aron Michalski
They should also just go ahead and show all 49 services when someone goes to add services to their profile. Most identi.ca people don't realize they can even add their identi.ca feeds to their profile anyway, because it doesn't show up in that initial list of services. Why not show them all up front?
- Richard Querin
ditto the call to add identica posting and twitter parity. I would actually qualify the call by asking for laconica parity similar to twitter services. Leo LaPorte should weigh in...since he runs a laconica server.
- Karoli
I'm trying to originate all my weather postings on Identica with the Twitter bridge. Have struggled to make that leap in my personal network, though. I find I still have to use Twitter for responses because if I start replying on Identica and those bridge over, people with different usernames cause a nice little snafu. :-\
- Jared Smith
It should be pointed out that even if Twitter changed their mind and decided to keep I Want Sandy and Stickitt alive, it is too late. Their contempt for the value created in Web 2.0 is apparent and correcting this bad decision doesn't make things better. Stop them before they shut down more!
- Dave Slusher
Just added a new update to the post with this bit: "The term I should have injected into this debate earlier is "stewardship." I Want Sandy asked to handle information that was important to us, and asked for our trust. By getting acquired and shutting down the service, they have betrayed themselves as poor stewards of that trust."
- Dave Slusher
This is definitely interesting, but unless they start using the up/down votes for general rankings and not just your own the term 'wiki' is a bit of a misnomer. Yeah, so I can read peoples' comments about the search results...but how often are you going to click the little bubble to see what others have written instead of just clicking on the link to see what the page is?
- Louis Simoneau
pretty big deal, also GREAT way for them to build sites quality scores for standard search
- sean percival
I can't help but think this data could or will be used to augment the algorithm and placement. maybe they'll just sell ads contextual to your notes though!
- Marshall Kirkpatrick
from IM
This is an important and probably influential move by Google, though in person I look for a bigger step by Google. ;-) Anyway, great post for an important new action. Yihong
- Yihong Ding
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
I wish rankings could be affected by your GMail Contacts / GReader Friends. Would be FF-like.
- Dave Gilbert
Google SearchWiki will probably be fed back into the algorithm. Human feedback mechanism makes the algo smarter. No Digg needed.
- AJ Kohn
I have it too. Thought it was some unknown Firefox add-on at first.
- Gus
I haven't tried this yet...and I'm not sure I want to. It seems like this is only useful to those who repeatedly run the same search (unless I misunderstand).
- Scott of Two Countries
Was playing with this today, wasn't able to find how to view other comments though which was disappointing. Still I really like it and hopefully Google will build on this!
- Joe Dawson
from FriendFeed MT Plugin
@Joe: View other comments by scrolling to the bottom and clicking "show all notes". @Scott: I agree, I don't see myself searching for the same thing over and over.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
It's about 20% of the size it was in '94 I've noticed.
- Dr. Apps
from twhirl
InfoWorld (admittedly not as big as PC Magazine) made the switch to online-only a year or two ago, and now provides its content via RSS feeds which link to ad-laced online articles. Not sure how they're doing financially. Of course, such changes are almost expected in the tech world; it's more newsworthy when someone like the Christian Science Monitor does it.
- Ontario Emperor
FYI all, post is now updated with official confirmation and detailed info from PC Magazine's editor-in-chief.
- JR R.
Print computer mags just haven't been the same since Computer Shopper downsized way-back-when.
- Roger Benningfield
"Before the election, Mr. Feingold argued that whoever won should make a priority of rolling back Bush administration policies that eroded constitutional rights and disrupted the careful system of checks and balances. Now that Mr. Obama — a onetime constitutional law professor who made this issue a cause early in the campaign — has won the election, there is both reason for optimism and increased pressure on the president-elect to keep his promises."
- Dave Winer
from Bookmarklet
"It is time to change and our problems can facilitate our solutions. We can no longer afford to continue down Detroit's old road. The people have spoken. They do not want gas guzzlers (although they still like big cars and trucks). It is possible to build large long-range vehicles that are very efficient. People will buy those vehicles because they represent real change and a solution that we can live with."
- Jason Wehmhoener
from Bookmarklet
"GenderAnalyzer is 70% certain that my content on FriendFeed is written by a male, 75% certain that this blog is written/neglected by a male, and is neutral (with a slight preference for female) when it comes to my non-tech blog at Live Spaces. Beeyootiful!"
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
It is 59% sure that I am a woman...interesting since my site is for the Ordinary Average GUY podcast.... :-)
- Bob Bichler
silly gender bot / analyzes and gets it / all bass-ackwards. heh.
- Ladybug Heather
Looks like the bot needs a little tweaking (or a sex education class). I'm not hating, though, I applaud their efforts. I bet they'll get it right one day.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
I think live-blogging the election results is a bad idea. The idea of elections as a source of real-time horserace data that must be processed instantly is what got us these fucked up voting machines and the 2000 election. Let's embrace the idea of counting votes as boring, slow and stolid.
I'm thinking dinner and a movie might be a good idea tomorrow evening.
- Paul Reynolds
Everyone should get a belly full of wine or beer or pizza, go to bed early and check it Wednesday morning. You can't affect anything, so what does it do for you stressing about the returns as they come in? Democracy should be a plodding machine in this respect. Count them slow and right.
- Dave Slusher
I won't be live blogging or twittering, but I do want to watch it happen. hot wings, egg rolls and pizza bites for me. It's America's Next Top President ;)
- David Jacobs
I'm a truly tepid Obama supporter. I think he was no higher than 4th best Dem candidate on the issues. However, this video really does bring a tear to my eye at the end. I'd say this might be the most effective propaganda I've ever seen.
- Dave Slusher