FriendFeed update. Paul Buchheit wrote me and said he's been very sick the past few days. That might explain why he hasn't engaged the way we want. He also offered to do an interview with me to discuss the future of FriendFeed and what they are doing at Facebook soon. We're working that out, hopefully soon (but might not be until November sometime)
Bruce: FriendFeed=Facebook. So, I'm interested in what he's doing and I'm a big fan of Facebook's. Twitter needs some competition. The Fail Whale is getting to me.
- Robert Scoble
I know it's a stretch but can we gather specific questions for Paul to answer?
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
When other sites like twitter come out with new features, you want to be at the front of the excited crowd. FriendFeed will make you into that curmudgeon who's always saying, "So what? They did that two years ago at FriendFeed."
- Bruce Lewis
Cjay: I've been working on this interview since before Facebook bought FriendFeed. :-)
- Robert Scoble
manielse: well, the interview isn't on 100% yet and now that I've talked about it in public who knows what will happen? But if it does happen of course we'll get you involved.
- Robert Scoble
Cjay: I might be a rusty wheel, but remember two things: 1. I put many many thousands of hours into FriendFeed before the sale, bringing my audience over here at great risk to my personal brand. Lots of "experts" like Mike Arrington told me I was wrong to do that. 2. I'm still here.
- Robert Scoble
But yes I would agree that allowing and or resting your personal branding on a service thats based on a cloud application with it's roots depending on a social network model is very risky.
- Cjay
Cjay: actually it's not. It just looks risky.
- Robert Scoble
To those giving Scoble crap for being on FF, aren't you tired of that? You all have been doing that for at least a year. Enough. For us on FF, we'd love to see an interview, thanks.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
Chicken soup - but stay away from those soul books ;) Hope you're up to speed soon, Paul.
- Micah Wittman
Looking at the time-scale, doesn't that actually answer the question? You don;t wait THAT long to deliver good news or to debunk a false rumour that killings your platform (well, Zucks platform).
- Jim Connolly
Paul - sorry to hear that! (it's 2:30 am here, I can empathize with your sleep problem)
- Susan Beebe
from BuddyFeed
Eric, sorry if it sounded like I was giving him crap. That wasn't my intention. I think Scobleizer has a serious career decision to make: http://ourdoings.com/ourdoin...
- Bruce Lewis
The problem i see is that social network cloud applications seem to live in peoples heads rent free.
- Cjay
Everything You've Always Wanted to Know About Innovation* But Were Afraid To Ask | Innovation Insights & Ideas | Fast Company - http://www.fastcompany.com/blog...
Seesmic, Friendfeed and Twitter next to each other in a test version of Twhirl. Adding tons of Friendfeed experience improvements in there, Marco rocks.
Is twitter's api actually back up at 50 req/hr?
- Shawn Farner
The old Twhirl works for me in linux for me, it just won't remember my password.
- Daniel E. Renfer
from twhirl
Yes Marco does. Twhirl is becoming my info hub. And if Twitter dies, who cares I'm sure Pownce, Jaiku or whatever could be swapped in
- Tris Hussey
from twhirl
"And for the first time, AT&T has scored worse than all four major U.S. wireless operators in terms of overall customer satisfaction for smartphones. According to the survey, AT&T scored 69 out of 100 among users, and 73 among non-iPhone owners. Verizon Wireless was the most satisfying carrier with a score or 79 out of 100 among smartphone users. Even Sprint Nextel, which has struggled...
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- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Agreed. I think he just means making them internet enabled/aware and then exposing a communications API to communicate with them. The time for that is WAAAAAY past.
- Internet's Tad
Twitter doesn't have nearly the napespace required.
- Photar
from BuddyFeed
Seriously Jason? Nonsense? A public and open place where people interact with other people AND objects that interface with people, such as machines and equipment? With timestamps for checks and balances? You're off here.
- drew olanoff
That doesn't really sound like twitter drew. That sounds like maybe something Twitter could be an extension of/to, but I don't want my hardware comm dependent on a single, flaky service like Twitter.
- Internet's Tad
There was a small trace of this recently with a tool that allows one to "control" your own PC. The limitations are many, but it is worthwhile as a hint of what may come. I don't think that I would want it to be a Twitter text interface. Instead, I would think that a something more akin to FriendFeed's rooms with graphic objects might be better. That groups devices logically and...
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- JR Holmes
Jason: why not? It's a query language we're all being trained to use. Did you know you can already query the border crossing between Washington State and Canada and find out the wait time there? There's also a buoy in Half Moon Bay that's Tweeting. And lots of other objects already. Why NOT an IV machine?
- Robert Scoble
Tad: lots of devices are dependent on a single flaky OS like Windows. Doesn't seem to hurt their utility! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Mission critical apps dependent on the fail whale? No thank you. Twitter is more at home in the realm of ephemeral infotainment.
- LogEx
OS is a bit different than a communications service. But I'm guessing you wouldn't REALLY want to connect up medical machines with anything less than a rock solid communcations service... Twitter in its current incarnation certainly wouldn't qualify. I think we get your general gist, though, and I agree.
- Internet's Tad
I buy the scenario, just not the players. If it exists, it'll be on open standards.
- Christopher Galtenberg
And I don't see a better remote control than iPhone appearing anywhere on the horizon. Though the whole web will still be the primary workstation.
- Christopher Galtenberg
The concept of post-iPhone almost seems like the idea of post-PC. There is no post-. There's just a wider ecosystem. But I like the thought exercise.
- Christopher Galtenberg
Who will build the eyeglasses that get us post-monitor. Or the sensing devices or implants that get us post-input. Watch game companies.
- Christopher Galtenberg
Who builds the device, or maybe just an app, that turns complete strangers into best friends like they were meant to be. That turns isolated wizards into world-beating collaborators.
- Christopher Galtenberg
Who fine-tunes the noise of real-time into pure delicious signal. Who builds the thing that becomes the login for all other websites, like email addresses are now. Who figures out how to stop that "right wing" thing from happening to people. This is the stuff :)
- Christopher Galtenberg
Think about the interface between devices and the "attention economy". There will need to be a way to manage what and who people need to pay attention to in a variety of time scales, some by minute and others by day or even less.
- JR Holmes
From Robert's original idea about a tweet-enabled device, that is nothing that makes that necessary. Why not just have a hospital IRC channel and a way to monitor device status via that channel. Since it is internal, it can be secure and yet exposed via a VPN if a doctor wants to monitor remotely. This perfectly reflects Robert's original conception of devices using text commands (and...
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- JR Holmes
I really like Christopher's questions. I still think Twitter is a laughable piece of software that happens to have a lot of users, but that I don't want anywhere near any piece of machinery in a hospital.
- Jason Wehmhoener
This sort of real time messaging already exists with Tibco and IQ messaging and a host of other SOA systems. Although I admit it's not as easy to use as the examples being stated. It's also massively expensive and difficult to implement.
- Keith Bennett
from BuddyFeed
And Louis, I lamented (well, what's the flip-side positive version of that word?) the whole negative news thing earlier this evening http://friendfeed.com/micahwi...
- Micah Wittman
"I think traditional ad agencies have very little contribution to make," Bryan Simkins, a marketing specialist at FedEx, told TNS. "They are mostly driven by their compensation models which are made for closed media. Those models don't apply in open media."
- Jason Falls
Companies with revenues exceeding $1 billion—along with business-to-business organizations—are more likely to report benefits than are smaller companies or consumer companies. Among functions, respondents in information technology, business development, and sales and marketing are more likely to report seeing benefits at various levels than are those in finance or purchasing. IT executives, in general, are more focused on using Web tools to achieve internal improvements, while business development and sales functions often rely on the technologies to deliver better insights into markets or to interact with consumers.
- Hutch Carpenter
Slayerboy: good marketers won't get blocked. I really appreciated getting cuts in line at Six Flags because of their Twitter contest.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Good marketers aren't most marketers :)
- Brett Kelly
Only if Guy likes it will they come. Friendfeed.alltop.com and all that.
- Pete Delucchi
from iPhone
Robert: I don't mind good marketers, as long as they're genuine. Too many of them (particular the "social media marketing gurus") are just unforgivably obnoxious and fake in their attempts to pimp their own garbage services/blog. So, I really hope you're right :)
- Brett Kelly
Bad marketers on FriendFeed will survive in search results. Do a search for a couple of terms like 'canon 135mm' and you'll see plenty of entries that are just links to people selling the lens. You're not going to block them all. I don't see that as a big problem, but I suspect they'll be successful enough there to keep them coming.
- Edward Coffey
Start? I've been here for a loooong time. A few of my 'marketing' friends have been too.
- AJ Kohn
Marketers phase has already started in Turkey. Friendfeed is generally used by them, or I think like that...
- Sabri Küstür
we need like a freindfeed costranostra to keep the peace, and make things just poof into the ethersphere
- Robert Higgins
so wish i was a freindfeed coder and i could merge with the stream and provide some community services... :AKA Hiro Protaganist
- Robert Higgins
"Now on to Google Wave! - sean andersen" Exactly. Unless the FF core team is over there on the sandbox right now, doing all they can to start the scrambling scrum RIGHT NOW, the big GWave will assimilate all. At least until the assimilation wave after that. FF has maybe a one year window -- if that -- to make it's move, whatever that might be, starting right now.
- michael silverton
Citronella - I like that the spammers are vaporized almost instantly here. Decent built in tools for group reporting.
- BairdWilliamson
If I got here before Guy and I'm geekless does that give me any special designation?
- Kimber Scott
michael silverton: Wave sandbox already looks like Gmail. I bet when they release it, it will be Gmail 2.0. I hope Bret & co. are studying it close...
- sean andersen
Kimber: you are geeky because you were here before...whether you like that designation or not :)
- WorldofHiglet
Louis has more than *one* soul? Or is this a left-foot, right-foot thing. Colour me confus`ed :D
- Micah Wittman
LOL! Well, I guess I could be called an amateur geek...
- Kimber Scott
from email
@silverton, agreed that FriendFeed has a limited time window to figure out what it wants to be when it's all grown up.. in other news, can't believe it took Guy this long to show up here to play. Nothing wrong with a little marketing, especially if it's of the "Moving the Freeline" variety.. +1 Gilbert, LOL.
- Alex Schleber
If I were Guy, or the head of any company, be it a camera shop or whatever, whenever I had a little free time, I'd tweet out, "Hey, I'm going to be on FriendFeed for an hour or so, answering any questions about Alltop, telling you about its features, advantages, and benefits, come join in!" or something like that. That's a vertical that feeds off Twitter and really enriches both platforms, utilizing them both for their strengths.
- Stephen Pickering
With Leo, Steve Rubel, and Guy K now all here .. this landscape is about to change ... agreed.
- Charlie Anzman
I'm reading Crossing the Chasm, only 18 years after it was published. Can I blend in as a "marketer" now?
- DGentry
Well hopefully communities will coexist in open social media, we aren't defined by what or where we login to right? It's just information we share, the platform is merely a pipeline. The communities need to exist beyond the platforms
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
So, do you think the population will tend to shift to more casual people than the creme de la creme people. I feel so, since there are only the innovative, open-minded people on FriendFeed right now; and I think the change is pretty near.
- Yiğit Arda Türkoğlu
Marketing guys have always been here. The difference... tactics and respect. That being said change is always happening and even still I'm not sure Friendfeed will hit the critical mass Twitter has with marketers. The friendfeed brand will likely be defined differently than Twitter and attract different people. Time will tell.
- Jim Goldstein
from iPhone
why? can't marketing guys and geeks get along?
- kakuei
No. We cannot get along. This war has been waged for too long, and too much blood has been spilled. Most of us no longer even remember why we are fighting, but it doesn't matter. Victory is all that matters.
- DGentry
The marketers are already here, but most of them are totally clueless about how friendfeed works. They somehow think they can dump their stuff here and it will get "found" and when that doesn't work, they just go back to twitter. The ones that do understand how it works either feel it is too much damn work to fake being real to be worth it, or they are the real deal and it works quite well for them.
- April Russo (app103)
April: I think there's some cost-benefit analysis going on there. There's a smaller crowd at FF and it takes a lot more work. Plus, most people here are marketing jaded.
- Trent Hamm
Guy is a marketer, sure, but also a geek. Geeks phase ends when the Celebs show up.
- Garin Kilpatrick
well if they start selling, just dont click "like" or "comment" and they will drop off the page in minutes
- Mark
I think some marketers are already here..but anyway, you think Guy being here will change things much?
- Rob Sellen :o)
Robert, you might have to make a stand for geeks everywhere. Prepare yourself.
- Joe
Robert, "Wanna learn how to get 1,000's of Friendfeed friends in no time. Click here http://somespammylink.com to learn my patent pending, amazing, fantastic, game-changing, and revolutionary way to gain residual income through the magic of your Friendfeed friends." Don't click yet, I was just brushing up!
- Sean Powell
I'm so honored to have read this message from scoble. I'm grateful for our "geeks only" days that we've all shared! LOL
- Jason Pollock
No Kidding! Welcome Guy Kawasaki, who ever your are.
- Houseofmax
thats unfortunate, but who is GuyK?
- echostreamer
When the marketer wagon shows up I'll be going private.
- Geoff Schultz
Yeah, Jim Goldstein sez it: those of us from the dark side that stumbled into these sweet precincts have kept a low profile... sorta like taking your hat off when you go to church ; >
- Thom Kennon
he's actually been here awhile, just not posting, mr scoble
- chaz2b
Some ppl cannot be stopped. Like me! Not geeky enough, a girl, too wall st. Watch out, cause tenacity wins every time.
- Liza
well then lets learn from Twitter and not follow every stupid command that celebrities give us to rocket them to the top of friend feed. BOYCOTT ALL CELEBRITIES ON FRIEND FEED to save this from becoming the punchline that twitter. save the whales, then save friend feed plez :)
- echostreamer
Jason Pollock liked this, that is HILARIOUS! He posts the most redundant links on Twitter...a notorious spammer. At least Guy admits what he does, still somewhat annoying. Not sure why Leo Laporte was mentioned, I don't see him fitting that GK mold at all.
- Benjamin Taylor
In retrospect ... it seems to have been a hit and run for now ?? Hoping not. Would be great to see him actively engaging here. A LOT to offer. Marketing crowd? ... No worries - There's always 'block, tackle and hide .....' here
- Charlie Anzman
Robert, I think this is such crazy talk, you're a marketer too ;)
- Jeremiah Owyang
Umm, I'm pretty sure that Guy is also a geek. Regardless of what his cool cred is...then again his cool cred is totally geek cool cred.
- Alex Scoble
Guy Kawasaki does have magic initials, I will give him that.
- Garin Kilpatrick
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from email
yahoo: With apps from Flickr, PayPal, Picnik, Xoopit, & ZumoDrive in Yahoo! Mail, mail just got a lot smarter (psst..Evite coming soon too!) - http://twitter.com/yahoo...
Agreed, can't stand yahoo mail. It physically hurts my brain to try to use it.
- Otto
I have a paid Yahoo mail account (only $30 annually) that has no ads and I find the UI awesome compared to other web mail services.
- Mark Krynsky
Mark - I subbed to Yahoo! mail for a year, then moved everything to http://fastmail.fm where IMO I got more for my money and humans to talk to in the support department.
- Nick B.
Until my yahoo mail account isn't persistently infested with spam, the other stuff won't be all that useful. I tried to like them, but I couldn't stand all the work it took to read my mail.
- Jennifer Dittrich
Yea - I am not sure that Buffy really stands the test of time ;D all tho - Vampires are trending again!
- Robyn Hawk
I did something similar with Arrested Development a couple of years ago. I *really* like that show now, and I felt bad for having dismissed it when it first came out. This may or may not be a similar experience... This is actually Season 2.
- Kamilah Gill
I'm about in the same boat. Never caught the Buffy virus.
- Carlton Hackett
There are many, many other shows that I've never seen that everybody talks about. My TV is on maybe twice a month. Other than for DVD player and PS2 use (which are also pretty rare). No exaggeration. My TV just sits there and collects dust. I'm on the internet for my after work fun.
- Kamilah Gill
Even season one of buffy was fun to watch. I agree that it doesn't hit it's stride until S2, but there is still joss whedon fun to be had. :)
- Jon, the Beartato of FF
from Android
So far I'm not too impressed... I thought the writing was supposed to be so great. It seems kind of stilted. I'm letting it play in the background. I'll look up which episodes are the highlights of Season 2 before I take it back to the library.
- Kamilah Gill
I agree with others that 1st season won't hook you. Subsequent seasons likely will, tho.
- Spidra Webster
Hm, Cibo Matto all of a sudden. It gets +2 for that....
- Kamilah Gill
I'd completely forgotten that Buffy was really good about spotlighting some decent bands in that one club they hung at. Also, Buffy didn't get good for me until the puppet episode of S1, but S2 as a whole was great.
- Rob H.
I didn't cave and start watching Buffy until late in the game. I was already hooked and thus watching earlier seasons was more interesting to me.
- Spidra Webster
I didn't like Buffy at first. It wasn't until I started watching Angel that I went back and got into Buffy. Then I liked both shows.
- Tanath