Is it really that important to you weighed in the balance for what you're sold for? Or to anyone for that matter?
- sofarsoShawn
Well, I do have quite a few business contacts through Facebook. But the truth is, Facebook is only going to get worse. And that openness isn't what I joined Facebook for. First there were Apps, then Beacon. Now this.
- Jason Huebel
I hate FB. I hardly ever use it, but it *is* a great index or "phonebook" because let's face it: EVERYONE uses it. I wouldn't go so far as to delete it, but you're your own man Choose wisely.
- Derrick
Well, I /do/ have you as a friend on Facebook. So that's obviously a plus. ;-)
- Jason Huebel
So, Pros and Cons of deleting my account:
- Jason Huebel
I am pretty sure they are going to cave on this; I would wait.
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
Pros: I never have to ignore another Facebook App again. I don't have to worry about the apps my friends subscribe to stealing my personal data. I have one less social network to maintain.
- Jason Huebel
I've wanted to many times, but they have you by the genitals...
- Christopher A Carr
Cons: The Facebook integration with my Android contact list won't work anymore. My mom will have less than 10 friends on Facebook. I'll probably lose contact with quite a few people who only use Facebook or MySpace. I'll be on one less social network where people can find me.
- Jason Huebel
But you have other ways of keeping in touch? It might be the one less you need?
- sofarsoShawn
*sigh* I think I may be too weak to pull the trigger. Besides, I remember the pain I felt after I deleted my FriendFeed account earlier this year. I don't want to relive that.
- Jason Huebel
And you can always put as much or as little information as you want on there that you feel comfortable with
- sofarsoShawn
"BWAHAHA! That's what I thought, chump," murmurs evil FB exec reading this thread...
- Christopher A Carr
Pros: No app invites. Cons: *crickets*
- Mo Kargas
inactivity: the delete button for the ambivalent user
- Mike Chelen
If you're not on FB, you might as well not exist. Go ahead.
- LANjackal
Sometimes, being non-existent can be nice. I'm not a "social media expert" or anything, so professionally it doesn't do anything for me.
- Jason Huebel
from IM
Nothing. People are freaking out over some pretty petty crap. You can lock your profile down just as much as before, except for fan pages and customizing who can see your friends list. I don't get what the big deal is about.
- LANjackal
@LANjackal, the point is that there are some things you can't keep private anymore whether you want to or not. When I joined Facebook ages ago, the most someone could see of your profile was your name, your avatar and maybe the city you currently live in.
- Jason Huebel
lanjackal: facebook seems to mishandle the user satisfaction and support leading to negative reactions for most any change
- Mike Chelen
from IM
Facebook is like a teratoma on the testes of the internet. I'm not so worried about the privacy issues, but I'm concerned for the internet if it continues to metastasize at its current rate.
- Christopher A Carr
Isn't there an option to make most items visible "only to me"?
- SuezanneC Baskerville
^ Yes there is. Apparently this fact escapes everyone
- LANjackal
from IM
suezanne: believe so, however it still involves a lot of clicking through advanced options
- Mike Chelen
from IM
*sigh* I don't want to hide my information from /everyone/. Apparently THAT point escapes you. I just don't want it to be public.
- Jason Huebel
from IM
you can do that too! That's what the "custom" privacy settings are for. Holy hell people
- LANjackal
from IM
Nope. There are things that can't be hidden anymore. That's the point. Nevermind all the Apps trampling over all your personal data.
- Jason Huebel
from IM
There's nothing advanced about the options, just select customize from the initial drop down list, then select "only to me" or whichever other option you want. It is a terribly inefficient way to do things, obviously. A page that displayed all the things you can set privacy levels for all at once, with the options repeated for each item, so that you could go "Click Click Click" from one to the other, and see them all at once on one page at one time, would be much nicer.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
What are the things that can't be hidden, other than the friends list and fan pages?
- SuezanneC Baskerville
OK, but that doesn't change the fact that the capability is still there
- LANjackal
from IM
Ummm ur friends list CAN be hidden
- LANjackal
from IM
Basically any apps you add have access to your info, BUT you can prevent apps that your friends use from getting any of your info
- LANjackal
from IM
Ok, you are the one who said it couldn't be. I didn't see a way when I checked just now but I'm maybe going faster than I can really go.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
suezanne: that is for status updates, while pictures, profile info, groups, and others are available only through an options screen
- Mike Chelen
from IM
I didn't say that. I said you couldn't customize who could see it. It's either everyone can see it or no one can
- LANjackal
from IM
So where can you hide your friends list? (Not that I want to.)
- SuezanneC Baskerville
I'm still looking for it and have yet to see anywhere that you can hide your Friends list.
- Jason Huebel
from IM
Click on the little pencil icon beside your friends list on your profile, there'll be a checkbox. these are the things you research before you freak out ... jeez
- LANjackal
from IM
Really, do you and everyone else on the internet need to have a heart attack everytime a web service makes a change to their operations. OMG!!! This is the worst thing ever!!! <insert company here> is EVIL!!!
- LANjackal
from IM
This happens every time a sufficiently large service makes a change. People grab the torches and pitchforks before they even try to look around and see for themselves exactly what is going on.
- LANjackal
from IM
To make it clear, I'm not freaked out at all. When the change happened I found out about the "Customize" option, went through, and set a bunch of stuff to "Only To Me", which made me have less info visible than before the change.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
Never said it's the worst thing ever. But it is a change that I perceive as a negative one based on how I've used Facebook in the past.
- Jason Huebel
"in the past" <- The tech world is always looking *forward* buddy. If FB charted its course looking behind them we'd still only have a single profile picture and a wall.
- LANjackal
from IM
I think the problem is really that people lead multiple lives, present distinct personas to different groups of people, in different settings, and they are finding that hard to do, using a service is based on a "one person, one account" system. People want one set of info for the conservative, oldfashioned part of their family, one for the cool, hip part of their family, one for friends, one for work, maybe one for church, etc.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
*sigh* My interests and a company's interests are two different things.
- Jason Huebel
from IM
And the service actually STILL allows you to do all of the above ...
- LANjackal
from IM
Still haven't found this "pencil" you were talking about, though. I've gone to my Friends list, I've gone to my Settings… no pencil. If it's not obvious to me, then it's really not obvious to an average user.
- Jason Huebel
from IM
Lanjackal, you need to make a video tutorial.
- sofarsoShawn
Go to your actual profile. Look at the box that displays your friends. Click the editing "pencil" icon at the top right corner of the box. In the little window that pops out, uncheck the "Show Friends List to Everyone" option
- LANjackal
from IM
There's also a place to set "Search Visibilty" off, which is probably something privacy oriented people would want to do, although that which is cached somewhere would stay there.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
Jason, delete the account. I never joined in the first place (first becaus of the stupid 'College Only' rule, and later because of 'You Are My Friend' and sheep-tossing, vampire biting, and other idiocy.
- Michael R. Bernstein
I"m privacy oriented, but I'd also like people who met me to be able to find me (because I do that myself), so I allow myself to show up in searches. My profile pics are public too, because I never put anything that's NSFW there.
- LANjackal
from IM
I've pretty much blocked every application on Facebook at this point, so apps aren't so much a problem now. Now that I've got most everything hidden from being public (thanks, LAN), I may be more comfortable with Facebook for now. One very important set of privacy settings I changed were the settings controlling what your /friend's/ apps can access in your profile.
- Jason Huebel
That said, I'm still not comfortable with the direction Facebook is heading privacy-wise...
- Jason Huebel
I don't really like the fact that my friends list is either all public or all private. The Fan Pages thing is kind of awkward too, and I can see how that could be a problem for people who are fans of "controversial" issues/groups
- LANjackal
from IM
Yeah there's a pretty ominous sounding Application setting called "Facebook Prototypes" http://www.facebook.com/editapp... except they're not activated yet & they have never been explained, and avoid doing so, or even mentioned yet as to what these could be
- sofarsoShawn
That said, I don't consider those fatal shortcomings. But that's just me
- LANjackal
from IM
Ummm exactly what is "ominous" about that except your imagination of it? "Prototype" is not a malevolent term
- LANjackal
from IM
lanjackal: confusion itself is an issue, which persists while interface updates have actually improved the capabilities
- Mike Chelen
That they refuse to explain what it is
- sofarsoShawn
Maybe because it's a prototype?
- LANjackal
from IM
Shaking My Head at what sofar' said.
- LANjackal
from IM
Also, I see "Prototypes" as the equivalent of Google Labs, except for Facebook.
- Jason Huebel
allowing app access is within user discretion, if they can understand the risks
- Mike Chelen
Well, there are two sets of app privileges, actually. There are the apps you subscribe to. You explicitly give those apps access to certain parts of your profile when you subscribe. But there's also a set of permissions buried a couple of levels down in your privacy settings that determine what parts of your profile your friend's app (that you aren't subscribed to) can see.
- Jason Huebel
OMG Lanjackal you are an ASS, it's clearly yet another example of their misleading conduct how they refuse to explain what it is or even mention it, and have any regard for transparency or sensitivity to people's private information, seriously, take some time to think about it and therein it's clearly ominous.
- sofarsoShawn
Exactly. Look, earlier this week I read a quote by Cardinal Richelieu (sp) of France back in the 1600s: "If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him." My point is, if you're determined to find some fatal OMG EVIL failing of any service (not just Facebook), it's possible to construe even regular operations as having untoward intent. That does not, however, render your conclusions correct
- LANjackal
from IM
Nice insult buddy. I consider myself level headed and not generally prone to freaking out over nothing, so coming from you I'll take that as a compliment. Thanks :)
- LANjackal
My point exactly, yes, your crude lack of understanding is a compliment, you're very welcome.
- sofarsoShawn
@LAN, there is a point though where a person may have to make a decision on if the policies of the company run counter to what privacy you're willing to give up, though. I draw the line when I'm no longer able to control what information is released to the public (or to apps I'm not subscribed to). At the moment, that line hasn't been crossed (again, thanks for pointing out the Friend list thing). But that's not to say that it won't at some point.
- Jason Huebel
Excuse me dude my privacy is being violated and I"m having a heart attack. EMS on the way
- LANjackal
from IM
Not "violated". I chose to sign up for the service. But if my privacy is broken through a policy change on that service, then I have to make a decision if I can live with that.
- Jason Huebel
At the moment, I can. Later? Maybe not.
- Jason Huebel
I still maintain that Facebook is heading in the wrong direction when it comes to user privacy control. It took me 45 minutes to hunt down all the privacy settings I needed to lock my account down. The settings are there, though. They're just not easy to find and aren't all in one place.
- Jason Huebel
LANjackal, I'm totally with you on this.
- Eph Zero
Jason: there used to be even more app permission options, which might allow greater flexibility, yet also increase confusion. needs to be simplified further still
- Mike Chelen
@ephzero: appreciate the support
- LANjackal
from IM
You freaked me out for a minute, I thought I had to go and RE-DO my privacy for the 6th time in the past two years. I keep on going in and putting more and more restrictions. I don't put much on FB for the plain reason that I don't want much known. By my FB friends and Family. If they want to know more then they can contact me in person or over the phone.
- CW™
I'm glad FB has opened up some, actually. It's a tasteless cluster-fuck though, and unpleasant. I don't want it to continue to eat into the internet in the same way I wouldn't want all of the United States to become Houston.
- Christopher A Carr
^ I want the whole of the US to become like Sugar Land where I'm from (SW suburb of Houston). That would be A-mazing :)
- LANjackal
from IM
Hot, humid, and stiflingly conservative?
- Glen Mistletoe
It's hell on earth for some people, but so is Boston for me. Anyway that's OT, carry on
- LANjackal
from IM
/threadjack - LAN, you just cracked open for me from where Sugar Land the band must have gotten it's name. Whoa!
- Micah Wittman
Christopher: agreed, facebook connect and app apis are big advances, unfortunately it is still too complicated compared with platforms like twitter public or private
- Mike Chelen
O crap, non US users in the thread. My apologies. ATL = Atlanta, Georgia
- LANjackal
from IM
Anyway, so this FB privacy thing ... what about it?
- LANjackal
from IM
lanjackal: it showed a popup on login, and we know how everyone feels about popups :)
- Mike Chelen
from IM
I ignored it the first time it came up, but the next time I logged in it dutifully surfaced again. What other option would you suggest, though ... because generally speaking people ignore notifications.
- LANjackal
from IM
twitter puts them inline, above the fold, that is still not perfect however. ideal might be in stream, including on friends' likes and comments
- Mike Chelen
from IM
Generally, I appreciate those new Facebook privacy settings. Did I miss something?
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
from email
One controls what information one's friends and the public sees by way of what content one adds to FB. While the privacy settings UI is poorly designed, the ability to control and protect most things is there. I'm w/ LANjackal on this one. Much ado about *almost* nothing.
- Kurt Starnes
Actually, they added _exactly_ what I wanted: privacy on a per-item basis. There are some things one's poor old auntie doesn't need to know about.
- Eph Zero
Okay.. a good blog post about pros and cons of the new Facebook privacy settings 'd be great. Anyone?
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
from email
There are about a million of those already
- LANjackal
from IM
So the best #quote of the day is "If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him." - Cardinal Richelieu , via @LANjackal
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
from email
Suezanne, agreed! That's why full control of what family members or business contacts can find on one's FB profile 'd be great.
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
from email
It's true that you're not 100% in control, but you can still make friend lists and apply different privacy rules to each, FWIW
- LANjackal
from IM
i still don't get what the big deal is about the privacy changes. there's a lot of mis-information going around about google indexing, but that's about all I've seen.
- Bill Kinney
To a large degree, it's manageable. There are some issues, but imo, Facebook has handled it well - in that your info isn't all over the web - yet of course, *they* themselves know a lot about you still.
- Itachi
@Thierry - FB Lists do a pretty good job of segregating profile info to different groups.
- Kurt Starnes
I'm not too bothered by the new privacy settings. If I didn't want anyone to know or see stuff about me, then why would I put it on teh internets? That would be like sexting a pic of my boobs to some guy and then being shocked when he forwards it to everyone he knows. I still dislike the last news feed design "update," though. Still confusing, still arbitrary, still a stupid UI... that's why I've been trying to move over here more...
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