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These are all done in Pencil.
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ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,, HealingBrush, veo and 257 other people liked this
Impressive
- M F
Great work!
- Nia
I reshare this to Ideas & Inspiration room :) These are so realistic!
- Kristian Salonen
I'm sorry but this is unbelievable:) I'll give credit to the artist upon more convincing proof! The photogenic look of the tiger and lion really helps the artist's case though:)
- Roney Smith
I'm with Roney... I find this hard to believe... or maybe I'm just jealous that I can't even get stick people right!
- Jasmin Smith
I don't believe it. Too amazing.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I'm with Rah
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Only the lion looks like its drawn
- embee
The bear and rhino look drawn, too.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
very very talented. Wow they look like B&W pics you know photography.
- Gabriella Sannino
These are amazing, were they done by you?
- Angelo Rodrigues
Nice photographs
- Rafael Robayna
@michael, if they weren't drawn by you, at least tell us who the artist is and the link
- LouCypher
Link please?
- Jason Wehmhoener
wow
- Carolyn Chan
being slightly skeptical, i'm going to say these were done with pencil by a printer of some sorts... #justsayin
- Enrique Gutierrez
they're beautiful, but skeptical as well
- Jennifer Van Grove
Would need to see higher quality images to see if they are pencil or not - too many jpg artifacts to tell.
- Luke Addison
from twhirl
Stupefied.
- Parth Awasthi
want proof
- Jérôme Flipo
Wow!! Yeah it's pretty amazing what they can draw with a pencil nowadays, deviantART has lots of great pencil art.
- Kol Tregaskes
Michael, who is the artist?
- Kol Tregaskes
wow, cool!
- Sarah Perez
you cannot win on the interwebs. draw some crap it doesn't get noticed. draw something amazing in pencil and people say it's not real.
- Joe Breen
I'm really happy everyone liked these. They're my most liked entry to date, Thanks! There also seems to be some question about whether these are actually Pencil Drawings.I can assure you that they are.When I get home, I should have the links. I have more drawings, too.
- Michael Fidler
from fftogo
O_O WOW...Stunning
- Anna Haro
Wow, these are stunning!!
- Susan Beebe
Yes, especially the tiger. Reminds me of that "Tiger, tiger burning bright."
- Melanie Reed
Alright, Mike - I believe you. These are awesome. Good job!
- Enrique Gutierrez
HOLY CRAP.
- Chieze Okoye
no way!
- Mister Groonk
Thanks Enrique, I'll post some more soon. They are a little more obvious than these ones. As Luke points out; without being able to look closely it's impossible to tell. He's right; but up close it's more obvious. I'll upload the originals to Picasa later, and then you'll be able to zoom in with any photo viewer and see for yourselves. I can't believe how many people liked these. A few people have reposted them already. Thanks!
- Michael Fidler
Absolutely awesome, Michael. You are extremely talented. Everyone should repost these pix and help to make you famous. You should be doing this full time - you obviously have some passion for this. Bravo.
- Chris Loft
These are really beautiful, Michael. Do you sell them?
- Shannon Jiménez
Chris, I would love to say they're mine, but it's not true. I've had them for a while, but I'll find the artists names. It will just require a little backtracking. Besides, they deserve the credit; all I did was find them:-)
- Michael Fidler
Cut the bullshit! :) Photos are very good.
- Burçak Çubukçu
I draw alot in pencil, but they are amazing, the best for me is the girl, that is the most photo-like one. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I agree Rob, the girl is amazing. My favorite by far! Wait until you see it close up! It's really had to tell, even up close!
- Michael Fidler
Burçak Çubukçu If these were photographs, they would be very good. As Pencil Drawings,(which they are), they're amazing.
- Michael Fidler
Wow, amazingly realistic
- Threepwood
@Michael Fidler did you draw them? How can you so sure?
- Burçak Çubukçu
That is my pencil drawing :) http://picasaweb.google.com/Burcak...
- Burçak Çubukçu
dont look like it
- Prakash
@ Michael Fidler don't push so hard :)
- Burçak Çubukçu
@Burçak Çubukçu I can't tell if your serious now or just kidding around. I hope your just having fun! If you are serious, I've never given you a reason to question my integrity, nor do I ever intend to. However, the second set is up now, so judge them for yourself, but don't judge me! http://ff.im/1BJh5 BTW, I messed up and reposted the shot of the women again. Oh well. Hope you like them:-)
- Michael Fidler
@Michael: try deviantART, not Picasa, to submit your artworks
- LouCypher
WOW "I can't believe it's in pencil"
- sofarsoShawn
LouCypher, I know it well, but I don't see why I would want to do that. I hope everyone knows by now that they're not mine? I'm sorry, but I can't say it any clearer than that.
- Michael Fidler
nah, i don't believe it is done in pencil. i am sure it is photoshopped :)
- hasin hayder
These would be great even for photos.
- tomit
i'm not able to comprehend
- Varun Shenoy
More comments here: http://www.bannination.com/comment...
- donato
I'm finding this both interesting and humorous at the same time. There's a separate message board where this post is being discussed and it has another forty comments on it already. I think its great how this has created some lively discussion, considering that when I posted this I was doubtful if anyone would even like it. When I went to sleep last night there was only had 3 or 4 likes...
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- Michael Fidler
Very interesting. I would like to see them up close and in person...just to make sure. Bill said it's real and possible. Your 2nd set of picts look like pencil. Nice work in finding these!
- LaFern Cusack
Kol, I can't thank you enough! Kol found another post which helps to prove that these are done in pencil. I had my doubts about a few of them because I collected them from several different sites over time, but the site Kol found has done a great job pulling together an impressive collection of these drawings and more. Take a look - http://www.flickzzz.com/2009...
- Michael Fidler
Actually there are more than what this site shows. There's an entire set with the cats(little cats), which I have, and there's a new portrait set.
- Michael Fidler
Found your post here, Michael. :-) I tried my best to find the artists.
- Kol Tregaskes
Amazing and very very very good.... Very impressive ...
- Linda Zeek-Bobinski
fake. http://lenscratch.blogspot.com/2009... Even if your not claiming to be the artist, these are photographs, well except the woman, thats pencil
- james foor
Yeah we know, thanks though, James. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Excellent pictures - how long did it take you to scan the photographs into Photoshop and then edit them? The only pencil that has come into contact with these "drawings" is the Photoshop pencil. A tip - stop trying to fool people into thinking you are a "real" artist, because all you are doing is cheapening proper artist's works whom have spent hours creating real pictures as opposed to a few minutes on a graphics editing package.
- The Wimp
A bell does ring here. And I am remembering why I was so attracted to the tiger...and the lion for that matter. These are exact replicas of prints I had in our bedroom when I lived in Dallas. I had bought the prints (in color) at a department store,
- Melanie Reed
Actually, I have learned quite a bit about these drawing since I made this post. Not only have I discovered all of the artists, but I've learned more about how they are created. They are always copied from a photograph or painting, but usually a photograph. It is extremely time consuming and detail orientated work. There are many other artists besides the ones featured here who practice...
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- Michael Fidler
Most of them have portfolio's on deviantart.com and their work is truly amazing even if they are copies of other artists work. I suppose with this level of detail, they have to start with something. Nevertheless, I'm still in awe of their talent. Melanie, the animal prints you refer to are from a very well renowned photographer. The originals are B&W I'll look it up later but I do have...
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- Michael Fidler
wow; they're unbelieavably beautiful.
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Intresting
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No.
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And you thought FriendFeed was doing bad - check out Google Reader:
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Regarding FriendFeed's numbers, be sure to see here: http://staynalive.com/article...
- Jesse Stay
I forget to use Google Reader. I prefer FF
- Mike Nencetti
Also see: http://friendfeed.com/jessest...
- Jesse Stay
Isn't that because the URL most people use for Google Reader is http://www.google.com/reader ?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken is right. I always use http://www.google.com/reader. You can also get feeds on http://www.google.com/ig/ Jesse, it's time for you to retire from stats mayhem.
- Louis Gray
Remember, 65.4% of all stats are made up on the spot.
- Ken Sheppardson
i use google.com/reader too
- Jeff (the マクダジ of FF)
Web 1.0 is to Web 2.0 as Alexa is to Compete.
- AJ Kohn
There will also be users coming from other countries like us here (google.ca/reader).
- Merry Xmas FFeeders - AJ
Louis, I'm simply sharing the same type of stats you did with FriendFeed. Who shall retire first?
- Jesse Stay
Louis shared stats for FriendFeed using the wrong URL?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, http://reader.google.com is how I access Google Reader
- Jesse Stay
See how it redirects to www.google.com/reader?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, my point is Louis's stats mean as much as mine do - there are way more factors that go into this, I agree
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, without demeaning you personally, this is false and ridiculous. FriendFeed is a domain, a specific one, and I chose the primary domain. Google Reader is a subdomain or directory, and you chose the one that, as you show, nobody uses. The Alexa data you showed for FriendFeed illustrated something that nobody is experiencing. This isn't gamesmanship. It's just wrong, again.
- Louis Gray
I have a hard time understanding the fights and points Jesse chooses to get into.....just baffling.
- Matthew DeVries
So let's take this constructively - what's a better way of comparing the two if http://reader.google.com is a bad way?
- Jesse Stay
Neither.... it's apples and oranges.
- Jason Williams
Jason - considering some use FriendFeed as a replacement for Google Reader it's not apples and oranges - they're competition.
- Jesse Stay
Really? Why on earth would anyone use FF over Reader? FF complements Reader but shouldn't supplant it. Is there really a constructive way to read rss feeds here?
- Jason Williams
Jason, many people do that - it always comes out when Scoble is threatening to leave Reader. It's also why your FriendFeed stats now show up with your Feedburner stats.
- Jesse Stay
looks like we gotta get louis to work more hours to get that chart moving in the right direction!
- Allen Stern
Amen Allen (that's the spirit)! I'd love to see more stability and more focus on core functionality, not the social features. More stats, more organizational tools, more sharing tools. Better UI. Less bugs. I would use it more if that were the case.
- Jesse Stay
Give me a better way to manage thousands of items a day and I'll read thousands of items a day. For now I've had to reduce my use due to how bulky and hard-to-manage it all is.
- Jesse Stay
for the record i rarely to never use google reader.
- Allen Stern
when friendfeed shows me full content RSS feeds instead of just title links, let me know. until then, I'll keep using Google Reader. that's the same notion that twitter is a replacement for it. I get it but it doesn't work for me.
- Bill Kinney
Jesse knows that I read more than 1,000 items per day and am connected to more than 1,000 people via shared item feeds. The graph above is not valid. Google Reader is a great complement to FriendFeed, and always has been. It's the vast majority of my feed. Reader is also, very flexibly, able to share to different sites, including Twitter and Facebook.
- Louis Gray
Yes, Bill. Jesse is just grumpy today. :) He knows better than to post data without any substance and try and get a faux argument going. He also is tempting me to post a SocialToo traffic chart and compare it to Twitter. :)
- Louis Gray
i think that louis and jesse need a "time out" - both of you to your respective corners for a juice box
- Allen Stern
No way, Allen! Not when there are great injustices in this world! :)
- Louis Gray
louis i just sat through 4 hrs of city council hearings at city hall - not once did google reader or friendfeed come up :)
- Allen Stern
Jesse, the difference is that Readers traffic isn't dependent on who else is also using it. As much as Google would like it to be, it's not a social tool. I can get my FF feed in Reader but not vice versa. Do you really get your "news" from FF? It's the same thing with Twitter. People try to make it a RSS replacement but it isn't no matter how much you want it to be. 140 characters might be ok for links and quick social commentary but in depth news, not so much.
- Jason Williams
Allen, but they did mention a series of tubes, at least in passing I'm sure :)
- Micah Wittman
*thinks of how to talk Jesse down from the ledge...* Jesse, Hi :) At best you are criticizing conventional wisdom web statistics in general and mixing it with a clearly flawed swipe at Reader. ### Now, carefully, come back from the precipice and live to fight another day.
- Micah Wittman
You guys are all proving my point - that this argument is just as crazy a claim as this one is here: http://friendfeed.com/louisgr... - you can't trust stats
- Jesse Stay
I use Feedly, which is off the back of Google Reader
- Ian May
Jesse, nobody has proven your point. The only point that has been made is that you made a mistake and tried to draw a parallel, and you failed.
- Louis Gray
Of course you can trust stats, Jesse. You just have to understand how they were collected, what they mean, and not try to use them to support some completely unrelated hypothesis. I've seen two graphs of US and global FriendFeed visitor stats that support two different statements... that US usage is down and global usage is up, respectively. The graph you've created for reader.google.com is irrelevant and immaterial, for reasons given above.
- Ken Sheppardson
I could be wrong, but a certain someone who pronounced FF as dead cited that new features in GR were going to kill it. Just sayin'. Also just sayin' - I'm with Louis on this one. The combination of Google Reader and Friendfeed have changed the game for me, bigtime.
- jcunwired
Surely not.
- Will Higgins™
I'm probably in the minority but I have replaced Google Reader with FriendFeed. Pretty much for discussions like this one. I'm not sure I find the same value in Reader, I tend to bookmark and re-visit the same sites anyway. FriendFeed brings something to the table that a bookmark just doesn't. Reader, not so much. At least not for me.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
We need a UFC match between Louis Gray and Jesse Stay. The 9-lettered names of mayhem!
- beersage
I'd like to append my last post with, I still scan GR, so the previous comments about using GR and FF together as a powerful combination--in practice, if not in heart--I'm in agreement with.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
See what happens when I stayed in GReader (and some Twitter) all day, I missed a good thread. I read/skim a little over 1,000 posts a day, I'm not sure if I read more than Louis (42,597 items in last 30 days) but it's my information center. Friendfeed use to be my place for discussions around the news, since engagement has dropped here (for me at least), I've moved back to Twitter for a fraction of that engagement (FB for friends/coworkers/family).
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I never knew there was a reader.google.com
- Richard Lawler
Almost all of Google's (non-acquired) properties can do both whatever.google.com and google.com/whatever which is very smart actually.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
On the subject, I must thank Louis, Jesse and many others that act as filters on GReader BTW. When I don't have time to go through the bulk, these guys help bring the cream to the top. I try to do my part in filtering for others but I feel that it's a team effort to bring the signal to others as automated filters aren't smart enough (yet).
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Funny, I cut back on my usage of both services and the graph goes down. You can blame Scoble now. I don't use Google Reader anymore.
- Robert Scoble
Don't talk about yourself in the third person.
- Mark
I blame Scoble for the drop in the Twitter chart as well then. <smirk>
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
My use has gone down significantly and I'm seriously looking for the perfect solution to replace it. Hoping Seesmic or Tweetie or Tweetdeck do that soon. See: http://staynalive.com/article...
- Jesse Stay
I now know Louis's Kryptonite - criticize Google Reader ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Robert, please don't leave Gmail, because I still need that. Thanks.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
Jesse - I agree with your April blog post 100%. I also want to mention that Google Alerts is also a helpful tool for monitoring blog posts. (And without a doubt, most of us use it.)
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
Jesse, kryptonite would weaken someone if it were their personal poison. I am not weakened by your inaccuracies and stubbornness. :)
- Louis Gray
Anyone know what Feedly's numbers are??
- Roberto Bonini
it is still my best organic conversational real time tool...
- Yann Ropars
Feedly is actually down 11% in Nov as well. http://siteanalytics.compete.com/feedly...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Is this a trend?? The holiday season and all?? What about Feedburner stats?? If RSS usage (i.e for RSS clients) is in decline (unlikely) it would show up there.
- Roberto Bonini
manieles: feedly's content is generated dynamically in the browser so the metrics you are pointing to are just metrics of our blog (most users download feedly from the mozilla (and now chrome) sites. 2009 was a good year for feedly: we grew 1,527% from Dec 08 until Dec 09. http://twitter.com/edwk...
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Ah, I guess that makes my comment above moot. There goes that theory.
- Roberto Bonini
Sorry Edwin, just like reader.google.com the compete numbers don't show the story of true use.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
No problem Mark (it happens a lot). Roberto: Feedly is still relatively a niche service compared to Friendfeed and Google Reader so your theory could be correct. I do not have visibility into the Google Reader usage information but I can say that the underlying infrastructure keeps on getting better and innovating at a very fast pace. They have the foundation for a distributed...
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- Edwin Khodabakchian
Sounds like what I said about FriendFeed :-)
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: Friendfeed is down but they are not dead. It all depends on if Facebook will decide to invest and move the service forward or not. If they do not, at some point Twitter and Facebook will have a super set of the friendfeed features and at that point their will be no turn around possible. Friendfeed sold out too early.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin, Jesse is having an off day. Feedly is doing fantastically. Google Reader continues to have the #1 position in RSS and things are flourishing with their social features. FriendFeed has great technology and a fantastic community, but stalled momentum. Jesse should be in better form in about 5-7 days.
- Louis Gray
Jesse are you sick *again*? I told you to eat more bacon! :-)
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Would be interesting to see a metric that measures total number of posts having comments and likes versus total posts and compare that to the "glory days" of Friendfeed. How much different is the engagement now?
- Steve
Louis is basing his "FriendFeed is down" on faulty stats - that's the point of this thread. FriendFeed's just fine: http://staynalive.com/article... - I agree Reader and RSS are fine. So is FriendFeed.
- Jesse Stay
Steve, you can always use FriendFeed's advanced search to find 100 comments and likes posts.
- Louis Gray
Jesse, discussing this with you is getting boring. That post was wrong and based on data even worse than the public information I used.
- Louis Gray
Nothing on the Internet is dead until the servers are unplugged and the information is not cached elsewhere. There could be 1 unique user on a site and it still could be very useful for that one person.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Mark, that's correct. I covered that when I said I would still find value if I were the last FriendFeeder. What's frustrating about this nonsense of a thread is that Jesse made a mistake with his graph and continues to stand by it.
- Louis Gray
As did Louis (I'm not standing by this graph - I was making a point), and he continues to stand by his (about FriendFeed traffic being down)
- Jesse Stay
Because it is down.
- Louis Gray
Louis, if you think my post is wrong, how about a post proving my points wrong
- Jesse Stay
:-)
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
It is a waste of time. It also does not benefit me or the community to make high visibility of negativity around this site. That's why I posted what I did here previously, also knowing it tends to be written about and spun by other blogs.
- Louis Gray
I don't think Louis believes his graph is wrong - who's the stubborn one? ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Congratulates Jesse and his graph for making my best of day on FF. I am not a fan of Google reader. the graph looks accurate to me and the feedback I see of GR.
- Mike Nencetti
Jesse: I am confused. It seems that the point you are trying to make is that graphs are wrong in general and that both friendfeed and RSS are fine. Is that correct?
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin, correct
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, I believe that Compete.com data is not perfect, but it is the best publicly available data that we have. I also believe that the trends it portrays about this specific site are 100% accurate. Your data showing Google Reader at zero is laughable and an embarrassment to your reputation.
- Louis Gray
Mike, this didn't make "best of day". It made "most obtuse of the day". :)
- Louis Gray
Jesse: which metric would you use to determine if friendfeed as a service is up or down?
- Edwin Khodabakchian
It is not showing it at 0 - it is showing it at very low.
- Jesse Stay
Google Reader's traffic is hidden within www.google.com's data. Dare I add iGoogle for RSS feeds into that picture as well. However, Friendfeed's traffic is not hidden (for US Traffic) in Compete's numbers.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Jesse relied on Alexa data (which is the ugly stepsister of Compete.com), and he suggested that Bret Taylor's graph showing a higher percentage of international users suggested growth, when, more accurately, it portrayed that US visitors fell away at a dramatic rate.
- Louis Gray
Louis: May be you and Jesse are looking at this from different angle and are both right
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Nah. Edwin, I will always support good data. :) This is bad data.
- Louis Gray
Quantcast shows a similar decline. Every service that is respected shows a decline. http://www.quantcast.com/friendf...
- Louis Gray
Louis, I never denied yours was based on US data. My point was FriendFeed was not down, which you claimed it to be.
- Jesse Stay
May be Friendfeed has a lot more persian users which are less active but nevertheless users. But over all Friendfeed has a lot less momentum and engagement because the early adopters have moved to twitter
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Jesse, I continue to claim that global traffic worldwide, including US and non-US traffic is down, period. And even if you were right, turning this into Orkut or Friendster is not a thing to be proud of.
- Louis Gray
Jess: the problem is that down is not as important as momemtum and innovation.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Louis, again, you're showing the wrong state re: Quantcast - click the "all" link and you'll see something more reflective. They're down in the short-term (at least in the US), but not in the long-term.
- Jesse Stay
There' nothing wrong with Alexa from a world view. Just don't mix numbers between Compete, Quantcast and Alexa. Compete clearly shows the US usage has dropped.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Louis, I never turned this into a comparison of Orkut and Friendster - where is this coming from?
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, the short term is the start of the long term. You know better than this.
- Louis Gray
I am. Those are sites dominated by non-US visitors, contrasted with Facebook and Twitter.
- Louis Gray
Louis, I disagree the short-term is the start of the long term
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: One simpler question for you: do you think that there is a chance for friendfeed to regain momentum and flourish without an engineering team behind it?
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin, absolutely, but I think there will be an engineering team behind it eventually
- Jesse Stay
and there is an engineering team behind it currently, or it would not be able to handle the current traffic.
- Jesse Stay
Hmm. Do you have another example to point us to? Where will the engineering come from eventually?
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin, Facebook
- Jesse Stay
Friendfeed is clearly transforming. It may gain momentum for a while until 'other services' catch up. However once a better wheel is made...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I think that you are fooling yourself
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin, absolutely not - there are numbers to prove it - whether it's still FriendFeed or transforms into Facebook, it will still be around, and serving way more than it is now.
- Jesse Stay
Facebook wanted the brainpower and that brainpower is not integrated into other facebook projects
- Edwin Khodabakchian
That brainpower is still keeping FriendFeed running at the same time
- Jesse Stay
Here again. I think that you are fooling yourself
- Edwin Khodabakchian
That brainpower still believes in FriendFeed
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, I would listen to Edwin, and Matthew Davies, and almost everyone else in this thread.
- Louis Gray
Facebook is in a hyper competitive space, those brains are working 150% on facebook projects
- Edwin Khodabakchian
You can clearly see that the FF team is porting features into FB, they are attempting to have a friend of a friend system similar to FF. IF THEY SUCCEED, FB has become Friendfeed.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Jesse, Bret is VP of Products at Facebook and working on Connect and the dev community which reaches 100x+ more people than FriendFeed does.
- Louis Gray
Louis I didn't say FriendFeed wouldn't transform into Facebook. I did say it wasn't going away and it would continue growing.
- Jesse Stay
But it is not growing, and that entire argument is dead right there.
- Louis Gray
It is growing, your argument is dead.
- Jesse Stay
I think that you are right that it is going to stay (that is a low hanging fruit) and it might grow in some geographies (like it does in Iran because of the network effect) and because it was ahead of its time in terms of conversation, the erosion will take longer but there is no doubt that with no engineering, it is a dead end.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
AOL is not growing but it's hardly dead. Wait, I'm on Louis's side on this...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
AOL is investing massively to survive
- Edwin Khodabakchian
AOL is apples and oranges - if Facebook stops growing you can start comparing it to AOL.
- Jesse Stay
Mark, that's fine. I don't think there are sides. There's what's correct, and whatever Jesse is doing.
- Louis Gray
Or whatever Louis is doing - he seems to think he's correct, which he's not (now this is getting repetitive)
- Jesse Stay
Too bad the friendfeed team did not believe in friendfeed the same way Jess believes in Friendfeed!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin, the FriendFeed team saw what we all see and sold at the right time for a fantastic opportunity.
- Louis Gray
I will agree to disagree with Louis - that's about the only way I'm backing down on this. I believe passionately in FriendFeed, and I see no reason it's dying.
- Jesse Stay
Edwin look at how much the FriendFeed team uses FriendFeed - they still believe passionately in the service. They believe so as much as I do.
- Jesse Stay
(and I never said it was dying, nor did I say I don't believe in what was built here) Go find me saying that anywhere.
- Louis Gray
Jesse: would you have sold to friendfeed?
- Edwin Khodabakchian
I don't get what you are saying Louis - what is your argument?
- Jesse Stay
Start from the top. (And read your DMs). The graph you show here has zero validity and it is in no way relevant to the graph you are discussing from last week, period.
- Louis Gray
All I know is that public statistics lie. Paul B knows the real answer for FF, as does Jeff Huber for GReader stats.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Okay, so your argument is that FriendFeed is declining - isn't that the same as dying?
- Jesse Stay
If you get the flu, do you always die, Jesse?
- Louis Gray
If you lose 20 pounds, is it guaranteed that you will eventually hit zero?
- Louis Gray
Louis, okay, whatever - I see no reason it's declining
- Jesse Stay
Then you are being naive and ignoring all the public data, plus anecdotal data from this site itself.
- Louis Gray
The FF sale is more than a flu, it's a handicap scenario. It makes it harder to see a perfect future.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Louis: I am not sure that facebook was/is a fantastic opportunity for the friendfeed team. Facebook connect is awesome but this space is still at its infancy and I am not sure that the centralized facebook/twitter model will be the model of the future. Friendfeed had the advantage of understanding search really well and being distributed at its core - great asset!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Louis, not naive at all - I shared the public data publicly on my blog, showing backed evidence the site is still growing. Where's your rebuttal? Do I have to show this again?: http://staynalive.com/article...
- Jesse Stay
Using your links in your article, Jesse, Quantcast topped out in August and has fallen significantly since. And we already noted that the Alexa data, which is the outlier, shows a small upward trend.
- Louis Gray
Louis, your argument is it's falling short-term. My argument is that it's growing long-term. My data supports that. I'm definitely not naive and frankly I'm beginning to be offended you're calling me that.
- Jesse Stay
OK. Good discussion. I think that Louis and Jess should go get a beer and huge each other. Time to go write some code!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Yes, if you put the calendar back far enough, the trajectory is upward. Of course it is. And Edwin, I can't get Jesse to drink beer.
- Louis Gray
Great, then we agree
- Jesse Stay
I agree that if you go over a 2 year calendar, traffic to FriendFeed has increased.
- Louis Gray
I guess I missed something... I've seen (1) Quantcast and Compete charts of US reach/visitors which says domestic use is down (2) an Alexa chart that says international use is up (3) a comment and accompanying chart from Bret saying "international growth has started to completely dominate since August (4) a pretty significant shift in the FFholic Most Active user list to international users, and (5) lots of anecdotal evidence from English-speaking users saying they've seen reduced (or stable) activity.
- Ken Sheppardson
...is somebody taking exception to any of those observations?
- Ken Sheppardson
Nope. Agreed, Ken.
- Louis Gray
But the entire thread originated with the Google Reader flat line, which was a mistake.
- Louis Gray
Yeah, I think everybody's just trying to ignore that at this point ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
I just don't get why Jesse's trying to make this you-can't-believe-stats/charts argument. I think there's something in my list of 5 point that Jesse thinks is wrong.
- Ken Sheppardson
Jesse doesn't believe the Compete or Quantcast data showing a decline.
- Louis Gray
I don't think I ever agreed the above graph was correct - it was put there to show a point
- Jesse Stay
So you believe US usage is up, or not declining, Jesse?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, I didn't mean you can't believe them - I mean they can often be deceptive
- Jesse Stay
Which is amusing, because the blue line here is identical to the same blue line I posted last week.
- Louis Gray
My head hurts.
- Ken Sheppardson
I thought I'd post it up against the same deceptive result so we were on the same terms
- Jesse Stay
Jesse - Next time use a red line .... :)
- Charlie Anzman
Sigh. I could also show a graph that over the last 120 years, GM sales are way up, and compare that to the sale of unicycles.
- Louis Gray
Just laughed out loud at that one Louis
- Hutch Carpenter
Damn, you mean Unicycles sales are up right now? Tomorrow is free shipping day.... :-)
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Are you saying Google Reader is like a Unicycle?
- Jesse Stay
Nope.
- Louis Gray
So Google Reader is going to be like GM?
- Jesse Stay
Ah... sorry... a light bulb just went off... showing a chart that shows US traffic is declining is deceptive in that some people who look at it might conclude that's overall activity, when in fact total, world-wide activity is steady or increasing.
- Ken Sheppardson
That's one of Jesse's theories, Ken. (Still doesn't explain the Google Reader non-sequitir)
- Louis Gray
If Google Reader is like a Unicycle, it's like the Honda's U3-X..... a very cool one!
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I'm starting to piece this together... so showing reader.google.com traffic is declining when in fact total Reader traffic is up... ?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, correct
- Jesse Stay
reader.google.com is a domain nobody uses. Reader traffic is unknown, but certainly not the flat line displayed here.
- Louis Gray
Louis, I use reader.google.com
- Jesse Stay
I'd agree with that theory. The World growth is outpacing US internet growth.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I just took a look at the graph at http://www.alexa.com/siteinf... Turns out that although international reach is up as shown in your graph, Jesse, Alexa shows a 20% or so decrease in their pageview graph since the peak near August. More users spending less time...
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, that is short-term though, which was another point of mine. Long-term they still have an upward trend. It is still much too early to determine if they are declining yet. Maybe in 6 months you guys can all show me I'm wrong.
- Jesse Stay
Facebook bought FF in Aug, that throws a trendline in completely different direction. It's an inflection point.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Mark, FF took a dip after that, but they recovered and went even higher than before the FF acquisition. I wouldn't call that an inflection point.
- Jesse Stay
Which chart shows traffic higher than before the acquisition (not counting the spike after due to curious people who never heard of FF before they read it)? Are you looking at Alexa's "Reach"?
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Yes, Mark... Alexa's chart of international reach shows that the % of worldwide internet users who are visiting FriendFeed is up. It's also the 47th most popular site in Turkey, 227th in Italy, and 412th in Pakistan. :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Mark, correct, which is more accurate because it compares visitors globally, not just US
- Jesse Stay
In fact Alexa says 20.7% users are from the US and 20.6% are from Turkey, and another 20% or so from Italy, Japan, and India combined.
- Ken Sheppardson
Right but the question would be what were those percentages between countries back in August? A shift in demographics needs to be adjusted by online population in those countries.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
There's roughly 74M people in Turkey. For every 1% drop in US visits, about 4% would automatically gain for Turkey in the Pie Chart without a single new user in growth.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I don't believe they're breaking out the % of users in each country that are visiting FriendFeed, they're talking about what % of FriendFeed users are coming from each country.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken is correct.
- Louis Gray
Strongly Disagree. Look at my coupon work site: RedPlum.com 92.2% are from the US. I highly doubt I have that much audience but I'd love for it to be true.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Disagree with what, Mark? That stat means for every 100 people who visit your site, 92 are from the US.
- Ken Sheppardson
Sorry, I misunderstood your comment. It's a pie of % of FF visitors are coming from which country. We are on same page.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Yeah, sorry... I switched from "reach" to the user breakdown midstream there.
- Ken Sheppardson
So as I was saying, a 1% drop in US visits moves Turkey up 4% when you factor populations and no new additions.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
To tie that together with Compete's US view, the US audience dropped 20% in last 90 days so Turkey would naturally rise in the pie chart regardless of new user growth from that country.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Actually digging that information a bit more, only 21.1% of the Turkey population uses the internet so the spread would widen even further.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
wow
- ★ Soner Gönül
Interesting......
- Keith Griffiths
What a ridiculous discussion! It has already been said: the stats are apples and oranges. Let's look at the comparative numbers for internet users who are brain-dead versus those who can type. It would appear graduation from grade school bans internet access.
- Douglas Hopkins
Facebook hurts !
- Desirade
Yeah, don't bother. Senestezi is spamming.
- Ken Sheppardson
Should I or shouldn't I? edit: I didn't. But I reserve the right to do so in the future. :-P
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I'm pretty pissed about the Privacy changes after going through the little wizard to update my settings.
- Jason Huebel
Is it really that important to you weighed in the balance for what you're sold for? Or to anyone for that matter?
- sofarsoShawn
Well, I do have quite a few business contacts through Facebook. But the truth is, Facebook is only going to get worse. And that openness isn't what I joined Facebook for. First there were Apps, then Beacon. Now this.
- Jason Huebel
I hate FB. I hardly ever use it, but it *is* a great index or "phonebook" because let's face it: EVERYONE uses it. I wouldn't go so far as to delete it, but you're your own man Choose wisely.
- Derrick
Well, I /do/ have you as a friend on Facebook. So that's obviously a plus. ;-)
- Jason Huebel
So, Pros and Cons of deleting my account:
- Jason Huebel
I am pretty sure they are going to cave on this; I would wait.
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
Pros: I never have to ignore another Facebook App again. I don't have to worry about the apps my friends subscribe to stealing my personal data. I have one less social network to maintain.
- Jason Huebel
I've wanted to many times, but they have you by the genitals...
- Christopher A Carr
Cons: The Facebook integration with my Android contact list won't work anymore. My mom will have less than 10 friends on Facebook. I'll probably lose contact with quite a few people who only use Facebook or MySpace. I'll be on one less social network where people can find me.
- Jason Huebel
But you have other ways of keeping in touch? It might be the one less you need?
- sofarsoShawn
*sigh* I think I may be too weak to pull the trigger. Besides, I remember the pain I felt after I deleted my FriendFeed account earlier this year. I don't want to relive that.
- Jason Huebel
And you can always put as much or as little information as you want on there that you feel comfortable with
- sofarsoShawn
"BWAHAHA! That's what I thought, chump," murmurs evil FB exec reading this thread...
- Christopher A Carr
Pros: No app invites. Cons: *crickets*
- Mo Kargas
inactivity: the delete button for the ambivalent user
- Mike Chelen
If you're not on FB, you might as well not exist. Go ahead.
- LANjackal
What exactly is the problem with the new privacy settings?
- SuezanneC Baskerville
Sometimes, being non-existent can be nice. I'm not a "social media expert" or anything, so professionally it doesn't do anything for me.
- Jason Huebel
from IM
Nothing. People are freaking out over some pretty petty crap. You can lock your profile down just as much as before, except for fan pages and customizing who can see your friends list. I don't get what the big deal is about.
- LANjackal
@LANjackal, the point is that there are some things you can't keep private anymore whether you want to or not. When I joined Facebook ages ago, the most someone could see of your profile was your name, your avatar and maybe the city you currently live in.
- Jason Huebel
lanjackal: facebook seems to mishandle the user satisfaction and support leading to negative reactions for most any change
- Mike Chelen
from IM
Facebook is like a teratoma on the testes of the internet. I'm not so worried about the privacy issues, but I'm concerned for the internet if it continues to metastasize at its current rate.
- Christopher A Carr
LOL
- Jason Huebel
Isn't there an option to make most items visible "only to me"?
- SuezanneC Baskerville
suezanne: believe so, however it still involves a lot of clicking through advanced options
- Mike Chelen
from IM
*sigh* I don't want to hide my information from /everyone/. Apparently THAT point escapes you. I just don't want it to be public.
- Jason Huebel
from IM
Nope. There are things that can't be hidden anymore. That's the point. Nevermind all the Apps trampling over all your personal data.
- Jason Huebel
from IM
There's nothing advanced about the options, just select customize from the initial drop down list, then select "only to me" or whichever other option you want. It is a terribly inefficient way to do things, obviously. A page that displayed all the things you can set privacy levels for all at once, with the options repeated for each item, so that you could go "Click Click Click" from one to the other, and see them all at once on one page at one time, would be much nicer.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
What are the things that can't be hidden, other than the friends list and fan pages?
- SuezanneC Baskerville
Ok, you are the one who said it couldn't be. I didn't see a way when I checked just now but I'm maybe going faster than I can really go.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
i've been sorely tempted many times.
- Joe Silence is not Satan
suezanne: that is for status updates, while pictures, profile info, groups, and others are available only through an options screen
- Mike Chelen
from IM
So where can you hide your friends list? (Not that I want to.)
- SuezanneC Baskerville
I'm still looking for it and have yet to see anywhere that you can hide your Friends list.
- Jason Huebel
from IM
Really, do you have to be an ass?
- Jason Huebel
To make it clear, I'm not freaked out at all. When the change happened I found out about the "Customize" option, went through, and set a bunch of stuff to "Only To Me", which made me have less info visible than before the change.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
Never said it's the worst thing ever. But it is a change that I perceive as a negative one based on how I've used Facebook in the past.
- Jason Huebel
I think the problem is really that people lead multiple lives, present distinct personas to different groups of people, in different settings, and they are finding that hard to do, using a service is based on a "one person, one account" system. People want one set of info for the conservative, oldfashioned part of their family, one for the cool, hip part of their family, one for friends, one for work, maybe one for church, etc.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
*sigh* My interests and a company's interests are two different things.
- Jason Huebel
from IM
Still haven't found this "pencil" you were talking about, though. I've gone to my Friends list, I've gone to my Settings… no pencil. If it's not obvious to me, then it's really not obvious to an average user.
- Jason Huebel
from IM
Lanjackal, you need to make a video tutorial.
- sofarsoShawn
There's also a place to set "Search Visibilty" off, which is probably something privacy oriented people would want to do, although that which is cached somewhere would stay there.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
Jason, delete the account. I never joined in the first place (first becaus of the stupid 'College Only' rule, and later because of 'You Are My Friend' and sheep-tossing, vampire biting, and other idiocy.
- Michael R. Bernstein
I've pretty much blocked every application on Facebook at this point, so apps aren't so much a problem now. Now that I've got most everything hidden from being public (thanks, LAN), I may be more comfortable with Facebook for now. One very important set of privacy settings I changed were the settings controlling what your /friend's/ apps can access in your profile.
- Jason Huebel
That said, I'm still not comfortable with the direction Facebook is heading privacy-wise...
- Jason Huebel
Yeah there's a pretty ominous sounding Application setting called "Facebook Prototypes" http://www.facebook.com/editapp... except they're not activated yet & they have never been explained, and avoid doing so, or even mentioned yet as to what these could be
- sofarsoShawn
lanjackal: confusion itself is an issue, which persists while interface updates have actually improved the capabilities
- Mike Chelen
That they refuse to explain what it is
- sofarsoShawn
SMH?
- Jason Huebel
Super manly hat
- Mo Kargas
Also, I see "Prototypes" as the equivalent of Google Labs, except for Facebook.
- Jason Huebel
allowing app access is within user discretion, if they can understand the risks
- Mike Chelen
Well, there are two sets of app privileges, actually. There are the apps you subscribe to. You explicitly give those apps access to certain parts of your profile when you subscribe. But there's also a set of permissions buried a couple of levels down in your privacy settings that determine what parts of your profile your friend's app (that you aren't subscribed to) can see.
- Jason Huebel
OMG Lanjackal you are an ASS, it's clearly yet another example of their misleading conduct how they refuse to explain what it is or even mention it, and have any regard for transparency or sensitivity to people's private information, seriously, take some time to think about it and therein it's clearly ominous.
- sofarsoShawn
Exactly. Look, earlier this week I read a quote by Cardinal Richelieu (sp) of France back in the 1600s: "If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him." My point is, if you're determined to find some fatal OMG EVIL failing of any service (not just Facebook), it's possible to construe even regular operations as having untoward intent. That does not, however, render your conclusions correct
- LANjackal
from IM
Nice insult buddy. I consider myself level headed and not generally prone to freaking out over nothing, so coming from you I'll take that as a compliment. Thanks :)
- LANjackal
My point exactly, yes, your crude lack of understanding is a compliment, you're very welcome.
- sofarsoShawn
@LAN, there is a point though where a person may have to make a decision on if the policies of the company run counter to what privacy you're willing to give up, though. I draw the line when I'm no longer able to control what information is released to the public (or to apps I'm not subscribed to). At the moment, that line hasn't been crossed (again, thanks for pointing out the Friend list thing). But that's not to say that it won't at some point.
- Jason Huebel
Not "violated". I chose to sign up for the service. But if my privacy is broken through a policy change on that service, then I have to make a decision if I can live with that.
- Jason Huebel
At the moment, I can. Later? Maybe not.
- Jason Huebel
I still maintain that Facebook is heading in the wrong direction when it comes to user privacy control. It took me 45 minutes to hunt down all the privacy settings I needed to lock my account down. The settings are there, though. They're just not easy to find and aren't all in one place.
- Jason Huebel
LANjackal, I'm totally with you on this.
- Eph Zero
Jason: there used to be even more app permission options, which might allow greater flexibility, yet also increase confusion. needs to be simplified further still
- Mike Chelen
You freaked me out for a minute, I thought I had to go and RE-DO my privacy for the 6th time in the past two years. I keep on going in and putting more and more restrictions. I don't put much on FB for the plain reason that I don't want much known. By my FB friends and Family. If they want to know more then they can contact me in person or over the phone.
- Uncle CW™
I'm glad FB has opened up some, actually. It's a tasteless cluster-fuck though, and unpleasant. I don't want it to continue to eat into the internet in the same way I wouldn't want all of the United States to become Houston.
- Christopher A Carr
Hot, humid, and stiflingly conservative?
- Mistletoe Glen
/threadjack - LAN, you just cracked open for me from where Sugar Land the band must have gotten it's name. Whoa!
- Micah Wittman
Christopher: agreed, facebook connect and app apis are big advances, unfortunately it is still too complicated compared with platforms like twitter public or private
- Mike Chelen
Filled with chain restaurants and Texans....
- Christopher A Carr
I suppose it's going in the right direction, slowly. Now if we could only get it to stop growing until it gets there.
- Christopher A Carr
if facebook grows faster, that can mean more and more developers analyzing and improving the service
- Mike Chelen
If the trend hold, I now expect to wait 3-4 years to find out what ATL stands for :P
- Micah Wittman
Atlanta
- Jason Huebel
from IM
lanjackal: it showed a popup on login, and we know how everyone feels about popups :)
- Mike Chelen
from IM
twitter puts them inline, above the fold, that is still not perfect however. ideal might be in stream, including on friends' likes and comments
- Mike Chelen
from IM
Generally, I appreciate those new Facebook privacy settings. Did I miss something?
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
from email
One controls what information one's friends and the public sees by way of what content one adds to FB. While the privacy settings UI is poorly designed, the ability to control and protect most things is there. I'm w/ LANjackal on this one. Much ado about *almost* nothing.
- Kurt Starnes
Actually, they added _exactly_ what I wanted: privacy on a per-item basis. There are some things one's poor old auntie doesn't need to know about.
- Eph Zero
Okay.. a good blog post about pros and cons of the new Facebook privacy settings 'd be great. Anyone?
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
from email
So the best #quote of the day is "If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him." - Cardinal Richelieu , via @LANjackal
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
from email
I have stood at that precipice a few times...
- T. Brent, technopeasant
Suezanne, agreed! That's why full control of what family members or business contacts can find on one's FB profile 'd be great.
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
from email
i still don't get what the big deal is about the privacy changes. there's a lot of mis-information going around about google indexing, but that's about all I've seen.
- Bill Kinney
To a large degree, it's manageable. There are some issues, but imo, Facebook has handled it well - in that your info isn't all over the web - yet of course, *they* themselves know a lot about you still.
- Itachi
@Thierry - FB Lists do a pretty good job of segregating profile info to different groups.
- Kurt Starnes
DO IT!
- Jeremy (on vacation)
I'm not too bothered by the new privacy settings. If I didn't want anyone to know or see stuff about me, then why would I put it on teh internets? That would be like sexting a pic of my boobs to some guy and then being shocked when he forwards it to everyone he knows. I still dislike the last news feed design "update," though. Still confusing, still arbitrary, still a stupid UI... that's why I've been trying to move over here more...
- Jenthemum
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Just found out I'm in a relationship, when looking at my Facebook profile from someone else's phone! Awesome.
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Facebook knows all. =)
- ronin
sounds complicated...:D
- WorldofHiglet
Weirdsies!
- Andrew C
yay?
- John Wang
Cool, who with?
- Mellissa Claus
I have no idea - tried listing my iPhone as partner but Facebook told me it's complicated. ;)
- Mona Nomura
from iPhone
Mona, Mona, Mona... You know I'm married. Why do you keep trying to get my attention? :)
- ha3rvey (Ho)^3
One phony friend is one too many ;)
- Micah Wittman
from iPhone
Harvey :) Micah - not sure what you mean...
- Mona Nomura
from iPhone
Searching through public waves gives you an idea of what wave abuse is! Longer the wave..the harder it is to read. :O #wave #google #abuse - http://twitter.com/ssanj...
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Wavedirectory - http://wavedirectory.appspot.com/
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"So you have got your Google Wave invitation at last? Now you are probably eager to start waving. I certainly was. Wavedirectory is a directory of public waves. To add your wave to this directory invite wavedirectory@appspot.com. Note, that this site is still under heavy development and many functions remain to be implemented. Follow us on twitter for updates!"
- Test Information Space
Confused by Google Wave? Add 'with:public' to the search field to find public waves.
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@CXI Friendfeed.com/iPhone works great. my6sense watches me read RSS & Twitter, surfaces the content I am most interested in. #imanadvisor
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I am here to amuse you, WoH.
- Louis Gray
GOOGLE WAVE Beta - Chris Voss' Personal Video Review of http://thechrisvossshow.com/... #googlewave
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Police called in by angry jazz festival attendee claiming wasn't jazz but contemporary music! http://www.guardian.co.uk/music... (via @SparkOC) CRAZY FUNNY!
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You re not my real mom! - http://meme.yahoo.com/ivanfil... (via http://friendfeed.com/ivanfil...)
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:))))
- tutu tu
Morning all, I'll be at (and tweeting about) #enjoy2009 (the #madagascar tourism event) today, what about you? - http://twitter.com/saveour...
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Google Wave iGoogle Extensions List You can add these iGoogle Gadgets to Google Wave conversations http://thechrisvossshow.com/...
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Bill Moyers: We Have a Nobel Peace President Who Won't Ban Land Mines | Rights and Liberties | AlterNet - http://www.alternet.org/rights...
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"The Nobel Committee said Obama won the prize for his respect of international law and his efforts at disarmament, yet he won't even sign on to end a barbaric weapon."
- Steven Perez
from Bookmarklet
Land Mines are a force multiplier for a small professional army. The US Army needs mines on its fences and fortifications as it nation builds from behind high walls in Iraq and Astan. The irony of the US using manufactured mines while it decrys IEDs merely a form them....
- WarLord
Hope and change...
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
from fftogo
Found Shit : Funny, Bizarre, Amazing Pictures & Videos - http://www.foundshit.com/
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That Monarch dress is great.
- Spidra Webster
I want the butterfly dress.... but without the fun fur at the top.
- Alix Whitmire
agreed, alix, i didnt even notice the fur, too mesmerized by the butterfly pattern, :(
- chaz2b
C.C.: nobody can make you feel bad without your permission. Never give it
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