quoting dbreunig <http://news.ycombinator.com/item...> "I bet the IP TechCrunch owns is simply the brand "CrunchPad." Good luck with that suit. Fusion Garage's story is infinitely more believable than Arrington's."
- Fulaan
from Bookmarklet
This whole session here is really damning.
- Fulaan
Michael Arrington says CrunchPad litigation is "imminent," provides more details -- but where's the contract? -- Engadget - http://www.engadget.com/2009...
"The strange saga of the CrunchPad is getting even stranger: although Fusion Garage has a press conference scheduled for Monday, the company's apparently been hinting to some members of the press that the split with Michael Arrington was no surprise, and that TechCrunch didn't actually contribute anything of value to the CrunchPad. As you'd expect, that's got Arrington on the warpath. In a post titled "CrunchPad Litigation Imminent," he offers up an email from Fusion Garage CEO Chandra Rathakrishnan and two letters dispatched from his lawyers to both Fusion Garage and would-be CrunchPad ODM Pegatron that paint a much different picture: Chandra calls the split "out of the blue," Pegatron won't produce anything without TechCrunch's "explicit approval," and there was apparently even talk of merger between Fusion Garage and Arrington's CrunchPad, Inc. That certainly puts the timeline into dispute, but Mike's various CrunchPad intellectual property claims are far less solid, and...
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- Fulaan
from Bookmarklet
"Arrington claims he's the "outright owner of the CrunchPad trademark," but that's simply not true: the CrunchPad trademark was only applied for on November 17, the same day Arrington says Fusion Garage notified him of the split. Oops -- and even stranger because Arrington's said the CrunchPad was due to be launched on November 20. Why wasn't this sewn up months ago?"
- Fulaan
"Assuming there isn't some secret CrunchPad patent application we don't know about, the only major IP rights we can see TechCrunch asserting to the CrunchPad device have to do with the copyright to the code , and that's a total mess. Since Arrington apparently didn't draw up a contract giving him sole copyright to the CrunchPad's code, he and his lawyers are arguing that TechCrunch and...
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- Fulaan
"In fact, the most notable thing about the letter from Arrington's lawyers to Fusion Garage is that it doesn't contain any contractual language whatsoever -- it only references emails and conversations between the two companies. That's particularly odd because the letter to Pegatron says TechCrunch will be suing for breach of contract, so you'd think Arrington's attorneys would be...
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- Fulaan
"Now, we could be totally wrong about all of this: we haven't heard anything directly from Fusion Garage, and there very well could be contracts we haven't seen. But for right now, we're absolutely mystified as to how Michael Arrington -- who, again, is an attorney -- found himself in this position, and we're still mildly convinced this is all some kind of stunt. We're sure there's more drama to come, stay tuned."
- Fulaan
will be interesting to see how this runs - Arrington's starting to look like he's been a bit naive
- winckel
Btw..check out this prophetic comment back in Jan09 warning about this: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... : "“Who” owns this? MA, your an attorney at heart so I’m sure you have this covered. But with all “contributors” with this…and even a separate spin-off company most likely, I’d hate to see this go to court for folks wanting their “cut” given this going to production and taking off…"
- Fulaan
Yeah, Mike's post raises more questions than answers.
- Roberto Bonini
Didn't Arrington already say it was a "joint" technological partnership? He also asserted something about the only thing he has control of vis-a-vis the partner issue is his term "Crunch". So the other partner in the failed partnership can't use the name "Crunchpad" to refer to the device. I understand that pretty much everything was off the shelf otherwise and/or that both partners had equal rights to that technology?!
- S.D.Allen
from email
"The government keeps stats on all of these “marginally attached workers” and people “employed part time for economic reasons” (rather than by choice). If you add all of those people in, the total unemployment rate in the U.S. is 17.2 percent, compared to 12.6 percent a year ago. The only good news is that number is down from 17.5 percent in October."
- Fulaan
from Bookmarklet
"To explain all of this (and I guess to remind people why it’s important to budget in these trying times), the folks at Mint prepared the video below. Despite its attempt to be lighthearted, it’s probably the most depressing cartoon you’ll see all month."
- Fulaan
"It was so close I could taste it. Two weeks ago we were ready to publicly launch the CrunchPad. The device was stable enough for a demo. It went hours without crashing. We could even let people play with the device themselves – the user interface was intuitive enough that people “got it” without any instructions. And the look of pure joy on the handful of outsiders who had used it made the nearly 1.5 year effort completely worth it."
- Fulaan
from Bookmarklet
There's more this story than is being told, I'm sensing.
- Fulaan
Ungood! A hundred times double-plus ungood! But yes, there is the air of missing information.
- i80and
from IM
Yeah, definitely more to the story. This could also be a negotiating tactic on the part of Arrington, he does have considerable power with his readership. No way to know for sure.
- mikepk
Can it be that FG refused to make it at a $300/unit price point and that Arrington refused to budge on the price?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
For a "Fortune 100 Business Intelligence developer" you do ask quite a stupid question, Daniel. Were you privy to Arrington's budget figures and cost estimates to assume his $300 retail unit target was anywhere near realistic? You think his 13-people strong manufacturing partner FG was sunk by greed [before product even hit the market] because that's what Arrington alleged to? Wake up. #CrunchPad
- ianf ⌘
Odd that no one has even mentioned the rumors of an Apple tablet, and how that might affect the success of the Crunchpad.
- John Craft
Listen to yesterdays MacBreak Weekly. Leo and co had a along discussion about this that included the iTablet.
- Roberto Bonini
"MacBreak Weekly 169: This Is What Happens Larry" - LOL. Thanks, Roberto.
- John Craft
For those of us who cannot afford to invest umpteen minutes of their lives in listening to Laporte's et al. drivel, could you please summarize his arguments here, Roberto?
- ianf ⌘
Either there never was a crunchpad (ie this is arrington's way of getting out of it- but there are working prototypes). Or there was no way to get it to Market before the iTablet (hence the crunchpad would just be another also ran). Or, and this is alex lindsays theory that there was no way to do it at $300 or $400 dollars.
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
Basically then what I was saying all along http://friendfeed.com/search... - darn Laporte to steal all the credit (and credit$$$) for Regurgitating My Stating The Obvious™
- ianf ⌘
There was a lot more discussion over the matter. But those are the main main main points.
- Roberto Bonini
Interesting SAM. What if this is a Apple-esque stunt to drive demand??
- Roberto Bonini
Which particular "Apple[-esque]" stunt are you thinking of?
- ianf ⌘
I thought of that Roberto... and if it is... brilliant and I want mine in black.
- SAM
Ian - none in particular... but Apple does all sorts of non-orthodox PR. i want mine in black too - to go with my iPhone ;)
- Roberto Bonini
I was just saying the $300 price point was unlikely and maybe FG didn't want to stay involved with an impossible project. Thanks for the kind words, Ian.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Oh, I though something has passed me by [everybody needs to conduct occassional self-test for Alzheimer on themselves, and this was mine ;-))]. Apple would not have done anything like that, and –TRUST ME ON THAT– Arrington even less so. He has lost so much face over it already, that he'd be downright stupid to attempt to whip up the interest for the CrunchPad by killing it first. He's naive, but stupid? no.
- ianf ⌘
Daniel, emit things grounded in reflection or experience, and I'll be the first to applaud you. From a "business Intelligence developer" I'd expect something better than that your naive take of the TC/FG business relationship: "[maybe] FG refused to make it at a $300/unit price point and Arrington refused to budge on the price?" Spare us.
- ianf ⌘
@mikepk http://friendfeed.com/techcru... "This could also be a negotiating tactic on the part of Arrington" - NOT. Other things being equal, Arrington will never fully recover from that monumental fiasco he himself engineered. Recover as in being taken seriously by readers in the future. As there was nothing to be...
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- ianf ⌘
#sidenote: that's probably the first time I've seen a permalink of a comment by someone in an actual FF thread
- Fulaan
"We're trying to build a list of American startups where at least one founder was a foreign-born immigrant or visitor on a non-immigrant visa when the company started."
- Fulaan
"There’s an interesting article in the current New York Review of books (predictably, a book review) detailing the history of the National Security Agency, that shadowy power-behind-the-power to which we surrender much of our privacy. That in itself is interesting, but I found the introduction a bit shocking: the NSA is constructing a datacenter in the Utah desert that they project will be storing yottabytes of surveillance data. And what is a yottabyte? I’m glad you asked."
- Fulaan
from Bookmarklet
"There are a thousand gigabytes in a terabyte, a thousand terabytes in a petabyte, a thousand petabytes in an exabyte, a thousand exabytes in a zettabyte, and a thousand zettabytes in a yottabyte. In other words, a yottabyte is 1,000,000,000,000,000GB. Are you paranoid yet?"
- Fulaan
Seems a little ridiculous size-wise though. There has to have been some major breakthrough in storage capabilities that the gov and R&D departments of Seagate et al. know about
- Fulaan
ah welcome our surveillance warlords! NSA/AT&T/Telcos/Facebook/In-Q-Tel, in the EU the new Indect project.... in less than 10 years we have a world dictatorship.
- ovigia
First time I've seen the term "yottabyte".
- Spidra Webster
The few times I've seen it are from when I was reading a book on hypothetical problems with RAID
- Fulaan
Seconding Spidra, The first time I have seen this term "yottabyte". How about gammabytes and oh-my-god bytes for a change ;-)?
- TrafficBug
1 yottabyte would cost $65 trillion in raw hard disks today, so this is still pretty theoretical, although tape drives might be significantly cheaper
- Mike Chelen
Storage, backups, preservation... You have to think in tapes, not disks. Also, take care about redundancy, those yottas will right away shrink.
- Marcos Marado
from fftogo
The next obvious step is that once you have a gotta yte of stuff, presumably you'll want to search it. Gnarly hardware and search algorithms required. The $64 question is what are they looking for and in what format is that data stored?
- Aaron Schaub
from iPod
It's a great book, and I recommend you if this kind of stuff interests you.
- Marcos Marado
@Mike ... $65 trillion? good ....sounds like it might be a new bankers bonus? or could be a new military budget.
- Petr Buben
yep, it is one of my interests, each day i'm becoming more concerned about all this! In the EU we got two new projects Indect and Adabts, which some are saying, that will be the eyes and ears of the future european CIA, the SitCen. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news... and http://www.openeurope.org.uk/media-c...
- ovigia
"Editor’s note: Below is an open letter to our President from guest author Edo Segal, a concerned web geek who cares about the future of our democracy. It is followed by a proposal and a new website for anyone who thinks they know what #obamashould do (cynics please skip post)."
- Fulaan
from Bookmarklet
Six Apart recently added some Posterous-style microblogging flavor and real-time blogging capabilities to TypePad, but is now switching to full throttle with the launch of TypePad Motion. The new service is the inaugural open source app built by Six Apart developers for the new TypePad platform and incorporates many of the features of the late Pownce. It’s also reminiscent of Jaiku, Tumblr and the recently introduced Yahoo Meme service.
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
from Bookmarklet
Gaith, please check if a story has already been posted into the rooms before you do. I've had to delete a number of your posts because they'd already been posted in there. Cheers
- Zee.
ok thanks and i am sorry i did not know, my twitter feed goes here, so i post on FF the story directly so the pic looks here it is much nicer than a text, what do u suggest?
- Gaith
iPhone 3GS Available Today in Egypt Via Vodafone and Mobinil With a price War? When it will be in the Rest of the Arab World? - http://arabcrunch.com/2009...
I like the article, especially as so much of what is reported is western centric. I also like the idea of a site that's called 'Arab Crunch'!
- all about everyone
can you share more about jordanian startups? curious to know who they are?
- Ouriel Ohayon
well at http://arabcrunch i report about Jordanian and Arab startups also Arabs in the west, or western startups in the Arabworld and thanx all about every one :)
- Gaith
The web is going more open and social as we all know and we love it aren't we?! because we are connected,up to date. we can interact with others , share stuff and many more things we do on social networks . But classifieds and auctions has alwyas been local!!! should it catch up with the rest of the web and go social too? will it add value to... - http://www.shouv.com/
I totally agree with you. I think that Craigslist and eBay has taken that first step to connect people from other parts of the world. Now it just needs to take it a notch.
- Elaine Lee
"That is a marketplace and it is as local as you need it to be." - doesn't apply to the UK.
- markx2
Then there will need be a new definition of local.
- Vincent E. Epps
No - we do not redefine 'local'. Fact is that Craigslist is big in some places and not in others. We cannot redefine to make things fit, to make them what we want.
- markx2
Nobody is talking about replacing Craigslist or ebay.there are so many sellers from Craigslist and ebay promoting their products to people on facebook,twitter and other social networks. i mean they're not doing it just for fun ! and there are so many people they'd rather buy or sell somthing from or via someone they know. and no there s no need for new definition of 'local' i think Socializing a local marketplace (social marketplace) would be a better solution for both buyers and sellers
- Naser ziab
"If you receive a Facebook mail today with the subject line “CoooL Video”, don’t click the link. We’re getting reports of a Facebook scam which causes infected users to unknowingly send out Facebook mails to their friends containing that subject line. The links in the mails go to various places, including a blogspot blog (see screenshot below). Of course, clicking the link earns you an unpleasant dose of malware. Facebook, to give credit where due, is becoming increasingly proficient at stomping out such scams: the last one to cause issues was around two months ago."
- Susan Beebe
from Bookmarklet
Oh yeah, that's the other thing I hate about facebook - bogus (and real) scam alerts. I get about a dozen a day which I summarily ignore. These are the same sorts of warnings that used to do the rounds by email and did more harm than good when they got CC'd an infinite number of times.
- Slippy "WildBeard" Lane
My wife was attacked by this virus. It is not good! Do be on the lookout.
- Midwest Laboratories
A wise netizen is ALWAYS on the lookout for such things. It was I who leaped across the office screaming "don't open that unsolicited attachment" the evening before the great "I love you" virus attack.
- Slippy "WildBeard" Lane
2 out of three. I have 2 of the phones illustrated above sitting unused in a desk drawer. The ugly duckling in the middle never crossed my doorstep.
- Gilbert Harding
Actually I have 3 of those Nokia 5130's, excellent phones.
- Gilbert Harding
ya most people in the world are poor and do not have enough money, but i believe over time smart phones will be as cheap as dump ones
- Gaith