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Pinko.
- David Lounsbury
Did.t realize it would put that there. Guess who else abandoned HP?
- Graham
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Google Acquires AppJet - http://etherpad.com/ep...
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Congratulations! "We are happy to announce that AppJet Inc. has been acquired by Google. The EtherPad team will continue its work on realtime collaboration by joining the Google Wave team."
- Paul Buchheit
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I've been waiting for this :)
- Benjamin Golub
Congrats to the team (http://etherpad.com/ep...)
- AJ Batac
I'm sad that they're shutting it down though :(
- Paul Buchheit
Shutting it down?! why?
- Susan Beebe
No etherpad or alternative for the next 18-24 months :(
- Peng-Toh
This freaking sucks.
- Eric Florenzano
if the technology gets integrated with google docs, it would be as good as the current etherpad
- Mike Chelen
Yeah, I'm not sure what I'm going to do now for jotting down notes...I guess back to email
- Benjamin Golub
google docs still works nicely for most document tasks, including sharing or publishing as needed
- Mike Chelen
I knew it! Docs really needs some Etherpad awesomeness http://blogoscoped.com/forum...
- Jérôme Flipo
Google docs is my friend :)
- Susan Beebe
Even Wave's playback needs some Etherpad's time-slider sauce.
- Jérôme Flipo
if Google works as fast trying to figure out what to do with Etherpad as they did for Jotspot or Jaiku, just to name a few, one can say goodbye to Etherpad and stop using it. This is bad news actually.
- lelapin
SO this is like FF - another talent grab - Google's acquiring more smart talent
- Susan Beebe
I hope Google announces some way for us to create new pads, my online learning classroom will not be the same without etherpad :-(
- Shakeel Mahate
Ouch.
- Адский Блондин
Oh noes! I'm with Shakeel...I need EtherPad for my high school Digital Media students. It's one of the few collaboration sites that isn't blocked at the district level.
- Shea
Shutting down etherpad is a travesty. Fucking Google, keep it open.
- Mitch
I had a feeling this would happen... Etherpad is basically a simplified proto-wave.
- Lindsay
I loved etherpad. Simple and great for code sharing. I don't think there is any other web service like etherpad out there. It will be missed.
- vivekian
During one of my phone screens, I was so frustrated with writely that I switched to etherpad.
- Piaw Na
creative
- ★ Soner Gönül
Google MUST keep Etherpad open after March 31st. I fear that this will be the new JotSpot, and there's no simple alternative around.
- Jorge Martins Rosa
Adding new application interfaces like the EtherPad is the right next step for Wave. They need to move beyond the current Wave app interface towards multi-application document interoperability. Otherwise they will end up being categorized as just a really confusing chat services.
- David Lounsbury
Yet another example of why you shouldn't use the cloud for anything remotely important.
- Gabe
In abstract I would agree with you but there are previous examples, in the past, when Google acquired start-ups and literally did nothing with them. The ideal situation would have been acquiring Etherpad before Wave was created let alone released and build something with it as basis. Now what do you think is going to happen? Best scenario would be Etherpad's people being listened to and...
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- lelapin
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lelapin: Thing is, if they acquired Etherpad before Wave was created, Etherpad probably would have cost more to acquire. I'd say the long term potential of Wave having similar functionality, and more, devalued Etherpads product. In announcing that they will open source Etherpad, Google seems to be acknowledging this. Seems like a good outcome for everyone, Etherpad employees, Google and their users.
- Andrew Perry
Andrew: I'm just glad Etherpad (probably following the outcry that their earlier post provoked) made public pads possible again and is to be released as open source for anybody to grab the code and create something out of it. I'm not the slightest concerned about the price at which Etherpad would have been acquired had not Wave existed, it's Google we're talking about here.
- lelapin
Who says scientists can't kick back and enjoy a movie? " Hints of a Catastrophic Paleoclimatic Event from Manny the Mammoth" (via Ecographica) - http://ecographica.blogspot.com/2009...
"In an effort to gain insight into the challenges posed by climate change, I just spent the last couple of hours watching the animated feature film “Ice Age 2 – The Meltdown.” The plot of the cartoon centers on a group of anthropomorphized prehistoric mammals (a mammoth, saber-toothed tiger, sloth and a halfwit saber-toothed squirrel) as they flee an impending flood and their certain extinction."
- David Lounsbury
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Multi-hop matters: the state of wireless mesh networking - http://arstechnica.com/tech-po...
Multi-hop mesh networks, confined to university labs at the start of this decade, are now widely available from commercial vendors. These vendors tout a number of advantages for mesh technologies: lower costs of deployment, easier administration, better coverage, and lower power consumption. Mesh networking is now being used in an impressive range of applications, from large-scale institutional deployments to networks of tiny sensors.
- David Lounsbury
St. Paul's turns out to move the Natick Service Council's Food Pantry. - http://technodad.posterous.com/st-paul...
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Thanksgiving 2009 - http://technodad.posterous.com/thanksg...
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When less is more: the basics of physicalization (via Ars) - http://arstechnica.com/busines...
"This January, Rackable Systems launched a strange line of servers which defied all the conventional wisdom of server design by disaggregating larger servers into many smaller ones based on consumer parts, and in the process lowering power and performance density. Ars, among others, expressed skepticism over the strange design decisions, but launches from other major vendors suggest that, for some market segments, the server space is taking a turn in a novel new direction."
- David Lounsbury
Apple store most profitable in London - 3x Harrods. (via Standard) - http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standar...
"The glass-fronted 28,000 sq ft store opened on 20 November 2004 by Apple's chief executive Steve Jobs, now generates sales of £2,000 sq ft, almost three times more than Harrods, making it London's most profitable store."
- David Lounsbury
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LHC back online - Higgs boson or bust! - http://public.web.cern.ch/public...
"Particle beams are once again circulating in the world's most powerful particle accelerator, CERN's Large Hadron Collider (LHC)."
- David Lounsbury
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Spent the day setting up a new laptop. Good to be back using a UNIX system http://www.opengroup.org/openbra...
You're a sly one, Mr Josey! Welcome to the light side.
- David Lounsbury
Six ways technology is transforming small business - Trends in the Living Networks - http://rossdawsonblog.com/weblog...
"Small and mid-sized enterprises (SMEs) are taking a larger share of the business pie, and increasingly driving economic growth. This is one of the most important trends in business today, and one that will shape the next decade of business, work and society. This powerful trend is driven largely by technology and connectivity, creating a world in which smaller, more nimble, better connected companies can outsmart their monolithic larger brethren, competing globally and tapping opportunities as they arise. At the same time, using technology well in business is proving to be one of the most prominent drivers of success. Almost every aspect of business is becoming driven by technology. This is obviously the case with services businesses ranging from graphic design to even house moving. However this is relevant to every kind of organisation."
- David Lounsbury
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The Rise of the Teaching Organization - HarvardBusiness.org - http://blogs.harvardbusiness.org/taylor...
"Gary Hamel, the influential business strategist, likes to say that one of the most urgent questions facing leaders (and thus their companies) is, "Are you learning as fast as the world is changing?" It's hard to argue with this love of learning. But one thing I've learned over the last few years, as I've traveled the world in search of organizations unleashing big change in difficult circumstances, is that the most determined innovators — the organizations with the most original ideas about how to compete and win — aren't just committed to learning. They are just as committed to teaching. They understand that the only sustainable form of market leadership is thought leadership. And if, as Aristotle famously said, "teaching is the highest form of understanding," then they also understand that the most powerful way to demonstrate your position as a thought leader is to teach other organizations what you know — whether they are customers, suppliers, or even direct competitors."
- David Lounsbury
Monday's LHC bulletin reports particles made it 3/4 around the LHC. I am slightly concerned that report is from 12 hours in future, though. - http://cdsweb.cern.ch/journal...
"Particles are smoothly making their way around the 27 km circumference of the LHC. Last weekend (7-8 November), the first bunches of injection energy protons completed their journey (anti-clockwise) through three octants of the LHC’s circumference and were dumped in a collimator just before entering the CMS cavern."
- David Lounsbury
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The Illusion of Brand Control (via Harvard Business Review) - http://blogs.harvardbusiness.org/hbr...
"You've probably heard by now that "your brand is no longer yours." The assertion's based on simple math. In the era of blogs, discussion boards, Facebook, Twitter, and other Web 2.0 tools, virtually everyone can get online and talk about your company and its offerings. As a result, the amount of information your marketing and PR departments can generate is only a small percentage of the total volume of content on the Internet about your firm. What's more, if some of the external voices become as popular, or perish the thought, more popular than your official voice, then they're going to show up high in organic (as opposed to paid) search results."
- David Lounsbury
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Blu Dot to give away free chairs, track the takers (via Fast Company) - http://www.fastcompany.com/blog...
Design firm Bu Dot is going to give away free chairs, and track where they go: "Each chair will be equipped with GPS, so as soon as they're claimed the Blu Dot crew can begin tracking their whereabouts. The location of each chair will be shown in real time on a Web site. (It may also be projected on to the wall of the Soho store.) As if that weren't enough documentation, each chair will have its own twitter feed updating its movements."
- David Lounsbury
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In Defense of Laptops, MP3 Players, and Gadgets in Airline Cockpits (via Fast Company) - http://www.fastcompany.com/blog...
"What will our pilots do during those long boring hours while the autopilot is busy flying the aircraft? Without PSPs or iPods and to amuse them, surely they're in danger of falling asleep from boredom--and doesn't that sound more dangerous than a teeny, tiny overshoot? If anything we should demand more gadgets in the cockpit to keep the crew alert, keep them ahead of the technological edge, and keep their fingers nimble and exercised from all that game playing to be ready to push the myriad of little buttons on the flight computers."
- David Lounsbury
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Comcast Corporation Description Of Planned Network Management Practices - http://downloads.comcast.net/docs...
Comcast's FCC filing on how they will do congestion management in the future. Summary is that a user consuming more than 70% of their provisioned speed for a 15 minute period will receive a lower priority for packet routing.
- David Lounsbury
Broadband in a backpack: A portable network node for disaster relief. (via BBC) - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2...
"Wireless communication expert Mike Outmesguine has demonstrated an easy way to produce a "Network Relief Kit" - an ultra-portable method of connecting to the internet from almost any location in the world. The entire kit can be carried in a back-pack, and offers a fast enough connection to watch videos on YouTube."
- David Lounsbury
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Google opens up federation of Wave servers (via Google Wave Developer Blog) - http://googlewavedev.blogspot.com/2009...
If you are running an experimental Google Wave server, you can now federate it with the Google Wave Sandbox. (Note this is different than the server used for the public trials.)
- David Lounsbury
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Thoughtful discussion on whether Twitter's addition of lists means you should follow all your followers (via Personal Branding 101) - http://personalbranding101.com/new-rul...
I personally come down on the side of only following people you want to hear from. A social network is good to me only if it has a high signal/noise ratio, and I don't feel a need to have numbers for numbers sake.
- David Lounsbury
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The Complete Guide to Google Wave: How to Use Google Wave - http://completewaveguide.com/
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Google Wave is a new web-based collaboration tool that's notoriously difficult to understand. This guide will help. Here you'll learn how to use Google Wave to get things done with your group. Because Wave is such a new product that's evolving quickly, this guidebook is a work in progress that will update in concert with Wave as it grows and changes.
- David Lounsbury
Any FriendFeeders out there? Let me know if I've missed you off this Twitter List of FFers: http://twitter.com/koltreg... #friendfeed
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Ya get me? ... I am following the list now :) TIM J. @ WWW.MHWD.ORG
- Tim Tunnicliff
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Technodad reporting in for the FriendFeed list!
- David Lounsbury
me :(
- Wang Yip
Analysis of Bay Bridge Repair Failure - http://www.sci-experiments.com/BrokenB...
A good and well-illustrated explanation of the failure of the Bay Bridge in October 2009.
- David Lounsbury
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Using the roof rake extension pole to knock squirrel'd away tennis balls out of the pine trees. The red squirrel war is on!
Roof rake...pine trees...red squirrels. One might think you're from Maine. Hope you had a Moxie when you were done!
- David Lounsbury
in full disclosure, i'm 'from away'; the dogs though, owners of the tennis balls, are natives
- brenda michelson
Cyberattacks: Espionage now, sabotage soon - Ars Technica - http://arstechnica.com/securit...
An analysis of recent cyberattacks on Korea and the US suggests that the nations with advanced digital sabotage capabilities have, so far, kept them in check... but it also says that we're only a few years from this technology filtering down to non-state actors.
- David Lounsbury
Hong Kong Park is an amazing oasis in the middle of HK. (Free WiFi for geeks, too.) - http://technodad.posterous.com/hong-ko...
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UCLA study shows internet searching improves cognition. - http://mashable.com/2009...
"Yesterday, findings from a UCLA study on internet behavior and brain activity were presented at the Society for Neuroscience in Chicago. The study, which involved fMRI scans on 24 neurologically normal volunteers ages 55 – 78, showed that the portion of the group that had very little internet experience were able to change their brain activity patterns and increase function after just 7 days of one hour sessions searching the web."
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How I know FriendFeed is dead? Louis Gray's feed doesn't have many comments: http://friendfeed.com/louisgr...
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also mine doesn't have :)
- Enes TAYLAN
What comments?
- Jesse Stay
The rate of new subscribers to my own feed has slowed to a crawl. That's how I know. But Louis Gray's feed with hardly any comments? That's even worse.
- Dennis Jernberg
It's a Saturday at 1am, and the end of Blogworld Expo
- Jesse Stay
FriendFeed has never been all that busy on a Saturday night. My inane screencasts aren't helping. :)
- Louis Gray
Thank you Mark Zuckerberg. You're the God.
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
If you want comments / conversations, maybe you should learn another language: http://friendfeed.com/search... I see lots of turkish, italian & iranian commenters
- arjo
I'm still here...
- Patrick
Jesse and Louis: I love that you two are keeping a stiff upper lip, but, sorry, it's been very apparent to me that FriendFeed is changing. The influential geeks, if there were any here, have largely left and now FriendFeed is changing and will not be the same service a year from now that it was three months ago. I am writing a post that it has a future, but a different one. Be back in a...
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- Robert Scoble
The scary thing is that I know Louis & Jesse are in the same room commenting on this :)
- Mark Krynsky
My feed is always bustling, except on weekends (especially weekend nights).
- Beau Liening
With every negative post about FriendFeed the community dies a little. It's the MGs and the Scobles and the others that will kill FriendFeed.
- Jesse Stay
How do you know that, Mark? #wherestheproof
- Louis Gray
Regardless of the community I will always use it as a tool
- Jesse Stay
A community is only what you make of it.
- BLOGBloke
How you know Robert Scoble has nothing to do? He posts how a service is dead on said service.
- CW™
CW: true. But part of it is I'm hoping a thousand comment thread starts (that used to happen in the old days) telling me I'm wrong. So far five people have liked this thread and 12 have commented on it. That's not really a stunning refutal. Even for a Saturday night. And it's not the first time I've made this claim and it's not the first time I've gotten such a lukewarm rebuttal.
- Robert Scoble
Starting a post in the middle of the night on Saturday early Sunday, traditionally slow dead times for FF won't help.
- CW™
Sorry Robert, I'm not seeing the death. With any social network, there is a constant flow of people coming to and leaving the service. Sure, the early adopters will leave to play on the next new shiny service to come along. But there are still new people joining and still a core group of users that have been here for quite a while. Just because you are leaving doesn't mean everyone else is.
- Jeff P. Henderson
CW: again. This isn't the first time I've made this claim and at Blog World I had quite a few discussions with people who are noticing the same thing, even if they won't admit to such in public.
- Robert Scoble
Were back to the point in the cycle where Robert Scoble calls Friendfeed dead/dying.
- Andy Bakun
Jeff: I'm not leaving. You aren't listening.
- Robert Scoble
Could it be that everyone is sick of social media / tech reporting... NO... never... it couldn't possibly be the content... IT MUST BE THE SERVICE THAT'S WRONG... BURN IT, BURN IT WITH FIRE. It's frankly laughable that you base a service purely what you personally can get out of it in a professional sense Robert. Maybe FriendFeed is more social and doesn't fit into your self-promotion regime but my feed is still active. FriendFeed isn't dead... maybe you are just dead to FriendFeed.
- Johnny Worthington
It takes simple engagement to encourage comments on FriendFeed. I'm not seeing any less comments than I used to. If you ask the right questions, actually like things on FriendFeed (note that Scoble has stopped this), and encourage your audience to comment they will comment just as much as they always have.
- Jesse Stay
Jeff: Denial isn't helping. Discussions and activity are down. Robert's reduced use can't be given all the credit for that. The radio silence from FF/FB leadership is troubling. There are absolutely a lot of conversations here, but not in all the places they used to be.
- Louis Gray
Watch Jason Pollack's threads.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: I am. And most of the traffic he gets is coming from his Twitter accounts. When I do that I get engagement too. Even here.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, you HAVE for the most part left. A majority of your posts now come from twitter and your frequency of comments and participation on this site is way down.
- Jeff P. Henderson
it is disheartening, well Robert you are part to this "death"
- ffcode
Robert, therefore your community will follow wherever you take them. It's not "FriendFeed's community". It's "Your community". Bring them back to FriendFeed and you'll see it change.
- Jesse Stay
Jeff: I can't keep focusing on a site that isn't getting developed. Sorry. That's not what I do.
- Robert Scoble
You people make me want to just shoot myself in the head,, cant you just let me have my fantasy for of a social network and let me pretend that your all my friends. Screw you robert... stop that crap,, your depressing me,,, I thought you followed me because you actually cared, or was that your damn autofollow bots ,,,,, and then he says friendfeed is dead hmmm wonder why.....
- Cjay
Louis, true, things have changed here on FF, but isn't some of that attributed to the normal ebb and flow that is seen on any social network? Not everyone stays engaged forever. It frankly takes a lot of time and effort to continuously participate at a significant level on any social network. Most of us have full time jobs that have nothing to do with social networks as well as family and other obligations for our time.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Robert, there's a difference between "not focusing" and "focusing on something else". Why be negative about FriendFeed when you can be positive about something that's better?
- Jesse Stay
Because Robert is scared of being left behind. He has to trash the old thing so everyone thinks he knows what the next thing is.
- Johnny Worthington
Jesse: I'm mostly just poking the bees nest by my negativity to see what comes out. So far crickets. And that is making me spend even more time elsewhere.
- Robert Scoble
STHUP! your killing me!!!!!!!!!!!
- Cjay
Robert, you do realize that it's 5AM on the east coast, right?
- Chris Heath
Yeah, I guess, in contrast, twitter has had a lot of development. They reskinned it inconsistently, and threw the hardcore tweeters a bone with adding "lists". Twitter has been stagnant for way longer than Friendfeed has.
- Andy Bakun
Jeff, I am as big a FriendFeed supporter as everybody here. If I hadn't pushed it early, this place would be very different. But I agree that people are moving elsewhere, even if this is still the best platform. We need to hear some guidance. Johnny, I understand your position, but Robert is not that thick-headed. He's trying to work with what is passed his way, and FriendFeed is stalled right now.
- Louis Gray
Chris: social media is world wide. When I was on the BBC the other night a ton of people all over the world contacted me.
- Robert Scoble
i'm just sayin'
- Chris Heath
Heh, everytime there's a "friendfeed is dead" comment, I notice that I had gotten 2 or 3 more subscribers in the previous couple of hours, _while_ I was sleeping on the couch.
- Andy Bakun
Robert, I totally understand your perspective, but I think you are a unique case. Most users criteria for using a site does not hinge on the rate of development of the site. Flickr is an excellent example. Flickr is a mature social site that receives few updates to its core functionality, yet it still has dedicate users that invest a significant amount of time there on a daily basis.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Johnny: at our neighborhood block party my neighbors have hardly even heard of Twitter or Facebook. Being left behind? I'm three years ahead of normal people. And I will go wherever the geeks go.
- Robert Scoble
I'm still on FriendFeed.
- Jesse Stay
Jeff: I never want to be most users. But the problem with FriendFeed is that most users had never even heard of it.
- Robert Scoble
that happens to me too andy, i'm about to hit the couch in a minute as I've been up for 21 hours and it's 5am - if i had been drinking tonight there's no way i could hold this conversation.
- Chris Heath
Jeff: Flickr was a huge success with the early adopter crowd before it went to Yahoo. FriendFeed isn't even close to being in the same league.
- Robert Scoble
Part of my love with FriendFeed was what it COULD BE in the future. So now that part of my fantasy is gone and I must see FriendFeed for what it is, not what it could be. THAT is a HUGE reason why I have moved much of my attention elsewhere.
- Robert Scoble
I will always use the best tools for the job and thus far this is it. I admit there is a lot of opportunity out there right now though so long as FriendFeed has slowed down their development. Until that happens, FriendFeed is the best tool for the job. That's not changing in any way for me.
- Jesse Stay
So why stir up crap like this post Robert. Smacks of arrogance and teasing
- Johnny Worthington
oh come on!
- Cjay
robert, if only friendfeed had a userbase the size of twitter, or facebook for that matter... maybe that's what i'll try and dream about tonight...
- Chris Heath
zzzzz
- Chris Heath
Maybe Friendfeed sold too soon then.
- Jeff P. Henderson
But Robert even if friendfeed looses all of its userbase the fact that it is a great place to have conversation can't be taken away
- ffcode
friendfeed is elite twitter is for everone else.
- Cjay
Johnny: now you are just being nasty. Why is it when a conversation doesn't go your way you have to bring up arrogance or teasing? This isn't coming from either of those places with me.
- Robert Scoble
ffcode: yes. And I'm pointing that out in the post I'm about to hit publish on.
- Robert Scoble
I think that this thread is evidence that FF is not dead yet...
- Jeff P. Henderson
So Robert, where are the geeks going? FaceBook? I would doubt it. Its a closed system. Geeks don't like that. Wave? Well there is no one there and its a service that is a collaboration mostly. So where are the influential geeks that you are speaking of going? If they are not here why are you not with them instead of causing a commotion here with blatant comment bait threads? Don't get me wrong you start some great conversations. This though is a old one that seems to be on repeat.
- CW™
friendfeed posts on twitter doesn't make sense even though the reverse is still legit
- ffcode
This is NOT teasing with me. I've dedicated more of my recent life (thousands of hours) to FriendFeed. This is SERIOUS business for me.
- Robert Scoble
Well if you want someone to tell you you're wrong, the last time I checked FF was not your own private Idaho for just you and your pals. I'm sure it's not in FF's business model either. Check your attitude at the door and make this place a little more 'friendly' and inclusive and maybe (just maybe) things will warm up a little. On the flipside, I'm sure your tongue is also in your cheek and hoping that FF management is listening and will get with the program. Am I right?
- BLOGBloke
CW: I'm studying 5,000 geeks over on Twitter. Most of whom are investing time there but not on Facebook or FriendFeed. Businesses? BIG TIME on Twitter. Celebrities? I had dinner last night with the guy who works with tons of them and he said they all are very dedicated to Twitter (except for what's her name). Facebook is getting some adoption, though, in the geek community.
- Robert Scoble
Guys, even if Robert is outnumbered here, let's suggest he is most likely right and not make it personal. Robert has been a longtime evangelist of the platform and is personally invested at risk to his personal reputation. (By invested, I mean in time, not money, lest that get asked)
- Louis Gray
BLOGBloke: sorry. You are wrong. FriendFeed has NO PEOPLE WORKING ON IT.
- Robert Scoble
Digging in our heels doesn't help. We need to learn if this can be a place to participate with no further changes ever, or if we want to scatter to the winds. Today, most people are happy enough with Facebook and Twitter, and that's not debatable, even if we know there is a better alternative.
- Louis Gray
No. You are not right BLOGBloke. I do not expect Mark Zuckerberg to dedicate any more resources to FriendFeed because of my nastiness.
- Robert Scoble
Robert and Louis well you are two awesome guys i have ever met and this happened through friendfeed, met a lot of great folks here. i think i know/ have some idea how you guys work and like you work till death attitude, and i respect that. but i would love you guys doing friendfeed more, remember the good old days ;)
- ffcode
Robert, I wish you were leading entrepreneurs to the opportunity and not leading them away. I agree there is a lack of leadership here from Facebook and the FriendFeed team, but to me that means there's opportunity. People won't discover that opportunity unless they are using FriendFeed. I'd rather focus on that in my posts and blog and elsewhere, rather than talk to the community itself. It's the entrepreneurs and opportunists I want to target, not the community.
- Jesse Stay
Interesting, I just received three new followers in the past 10 minutes. Not Dead Yet...
- Jeff P. Henderson
ffcode, I don't think my activity on FriendFeed has decreased at all.
- Louis Gray
I'm using FriendFeed just as much as before as well (maybe even a little more)
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: I tried that for 18 months. It was OK when I thought FriendFeed has a cool future that was different from where it is today. Sorry, it isn't good enough for most people. For us, yes. For mainstream? No way.
- Robert Scoble
Louis i was pointing to Robert's i know you are here and it is great to have you here :)
- ffcode
I must have misunderstood you Robert... "How I know FriendFeed is dead?" is the perfect way to start a conversation on FriendFeed about FriendFeed...
- Johnny Worthington
Johnny: sorry, FriendFeed +is+ dead to most of the tech community.
- Robert Scoble
hey hey I left twitter for a reason..... its just you guys are still chewing on it, im sorry but i spit that grisil out right away..
- Cjay
Perhaps this thread will shake things up around here. Let's hope so.
- BLOGBloke
Robert, not sure you're understanding - I'm saying now that FriendFeed has stopped development this is an opportunity for other entrepreneurs to take the lead ahead of FriendFeed. Let's push them to do so rather than pushing the community away from FriendFeed. When someone has something better than FriendFeed, then we can all say "jump ship".
- Jesse Stay
Robert, my point is the rest of us outside the bubble don't care. The world exists outside the Valley
- Johnny Worthington
BLOGBloke: Facebook has 300 million users and you think a thread with 20 people in it will shake things up? Sorry, that's not how things work. Now, if there was a thousand message thread, that might get some people to wake up.
- Robert Scoble
Johnny: really? Where? :-)
- Robert Scoble
Johnny: when I talk with people outside the bubble they are barely discovering Facebook right now. Twitter is something they've heard about. FriendFeed? GIve me a freaking break.
- Robert Scoble
We're working on that thousand as we speak.
- BLOGBloke
BLOGBloke: so far I see 20 people participating here. When we hit 1,000 I'll come over to your side of the yard.
- Robert Scoble
Not everyone ON FriendFeed is inside the bubble... or frankly CARE about social media. You love talking about the car and it's parts, I love talking about where the car takes me.
- Johnny Worthington
Friendfeed to me is quality, an addtion to a mature social network like facebook.
- Cjay
Johnny: sorry. Everyone on FriendFeed is inside the bubble. If you claim otherwise you lose all credibility.
- Robert Scoble
Robert... I don't HAVE credibility...
- Johnny Worthington
Remember, it is after 2am here on the west and 5 am back east. Unlike yourself some geeks still like to sleep.
- BLOGBloke
i am with Robert his sample sizes are way larger than anyone else here and he studies them as in "study" yeah my friends laugh when i sent them my account link on friendfeed
- ffcode
Johnny: FriendFeed, at its height, only had a few hundred thousand users. THAT IS A BUBBLE. Actually, it's a pimple on the ass of Twitter which is a bruise on the ass of Facebook.
- Robert Scoble
Come on if its that bad then go back to myspace and twitter and see what you get...
- Cjay
Cjay: my friend Luke and I had a drink at the Ritz tonight and I guarantee that was better than what you get here, but that isn't any way to build a movement.
- Robert Scoble
Still don't care about that either... That's my point... I'm here for the people and the interaction.
- Johnny Worthington
Robert, with all due respect, just because you don't get quality out of FF doesn't mean nobody else does.
- Beau Liening
Johnny: cool. That keeps me coming back too, but it isn't any way to build a business or a movement. Most people don't care and if they do most people just want to talk with their friends on Facebook. Really, does FriendFeed give most people a hugely better experience than Facebook? No.
- Robert Scoble
The whole FF/FB comparison seems irrelevant to me - FB is a walled garden, and if they move far from it they will disenfranchise the current user base who wants a closed community of their friends. FF has always been about public aggregation, not followers. If we wanted walled communities, we should have all stayed on AOL. (I keep waiting for FB to buy an old media news company - we'll definitely know they are the AOL of the future then.)
- David Lounsbury
Beau: you aren't listening. I'm here cause I like the people here. but that's not what we're arguing about.
- Robert Scoble
David: you are wrong. Facebook is no longer a walled garden. You must have missed Facebook Connect. Check into it. Look at Huffington POst. They use it.
- Robert Scoble
DO ANYBODY NO WHY FRIENDFEED IS DEAD?
- Louis Gray
Robert. That is where you and I disagree. I get a better flavor of interaction here then Facebook. I have friends and have made friends here from all over the world I wouldn't have just through my circle of IRL friends on Facebook.
- Johnny Worthington
David: most people DO WANT walled communities. Most people, when they post their baby photos are NOT like me and Louis. They mostly want to keep those private to just their real life friends.
- Robert Scoble
Friendfeed is not dead.......whats dead is twitter.....
- Cjay
Johnny: you and I and the rest of the people here are weird.
- Robert Scoble
100% agree
- Johnny Worthington
Cjay: I really wish that were true. I hate Twitter (the company). I put a good effort into bringing Twitter here. I failed. It's done. Let's move on and admit that.
- Robert Scoble
Friendfeed is dying, not dead. And to use Louis' posts at this point in time is ridiculous, 1. It's mostly BWE stuff which I don't give a damn about, no offense Louis. 2. It's the weekend. 3. It's 5:30 on the East Coast.
- Jimminy
And that is why I like FriendFeed :-)
- Jesse Stay
Jimminy: FriendFeed is not really dead. Remember, when a blogger says something is dead that just means it isn't interesting anymore.
- Robert Scoble
Isn't this an argument that the best technologies don't always win? People gravitate to Twitter because any lamebrain can use it. Same thing for FB.
- BLOGBloke
I wonder if people had this discussion about Geocities, Hotmail and Altavista... We like to think that the current time is the peak of innovation...
- Johnny Worthington
Weird, hey I resemble that comment!
- Jeff P. Henderson
well robert you keep what your kill I guess...
- Cjay
Johnny: yes, we did. Geocities IS dead (gone). So is Altavista. Hotmail is still doing OK. But among early adopters it's dead.
- Robert Scoble
My homepage is still Geocities
- Jesse Stay
facebook can be classified most folks there are just for that boy-girl thing or just to interact with the friends they know in real, friendfeed misses its good old days and i blame Robert for that, for my feed doesn't look that good now even with so many subscriptions
- ffcode
Robert, I forgot that, following my 3rd point about it being 5:30.
- Jimminy
if Mark is adding FF inside the FB feed then he needs to extend this silly 5000 friends limit as I can't use FB properly until he does
- Thomas Power
BLOGBloke: oh, did you just call FriendFeed the Betamax of social software?
- Robert Scoble
Jesse: Geocities is closing down, you will soon need to find a new home page.
- Robert Scoble
Anybody who would rather talk to the 'puter instead of people in the real world are weird. Goes for me too.
- BLOGBloke
I wonder if in 10 years we will talk of Twitter and Facebook in the same sense...
- Johnny Worthington
I will move to Freeservers then
- Jesse Stay
Johnny: I think we will know a lot more about how the future will be by the end of 2010. You won't need to wait 10 years.
- Robert Scoble
Betamax! How old do you think I am anyway (*_*)
- BLOGBloke
RE FB Connect, maybe, but they're positioning it as a way to pull people in to the garden. From the site: "Enable over 300 million Facebook users to share your content with their friends on Facebook. " There is a pattern in that sentence...
- David Lounsbury
Jesse: what's weird is I'm not even sure what my home page is anymore. I mostly use Tweetie on my iPhone.
- Robert Scoble
I am going to ask my Uncle to revive Freeservers (actually, freeservers.com is still around). That will be the new FriendFeed.
- Jesse Stay
Robert, by the way thanks for follow on FF,,,, see like i said Friendfeed is Quality, its not about quantity...
- Cjay
David: of course. Facebook Pages are open to the public and Google. That's where you'll see some "FriendFeed-like" innovation.
- Robert Scoble
Cjay: the real question is whether I will add you to one of my Twitter lists!?!
- Robert Scoble
bahhh 8D
- Cjay
FriendFeed is dead (isn't interesting anymore) for Ex-FriendFeed employers, no new features, no upadates, no documentation.. and this is sad, because (hope) we'll see FF on FB in months.. and FriendFeed is still the most interesting way to discuss on Internet (sorry Wave, sad but true for now).
- CantorJF
What's worse here is that the positive Robert Scoble is dead. Assuming that Robert posts on this, his last posts will be on FriendFeed slowing down (Negative), on Startups paying to pitch (Negative), Digital iPhone cheapskates (Negative), Google Wave x 2 (Negative and Negative), Why Office 2010 will be locked out (Negative). That would be zero positive posts in October. I want the happy Robert back.
- Louis Gray
Me too
- Jesse Stay
Louis: I'm bummed out because FriendFeed is dead. Sorry.
- Robert Scoble
+Like Louis :)
- CantorJF
Personally Twitter is a horrible service and Ap. Mainly because it has turned into MySpace. Everyone is there. YUCK. I've been going back to some of my old Forums and IRC Servers/Channels. Plus here on FF. I've been able to keep all of it up. Different groups for different interests. Look just because my Geek friends are not on here, but are on the IRC server they own and manage doesn't...
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- CW™
I like the happy Scoble
- Jesse Stay
As am I. In the meantime, I am excited about Pubsubhubbub and innovation in other places. I am stoked about the Salmon Protocol. I hope people saw that.
- Louis Gray
Louis: I've been more positive, though, about the iPhone and the app and business models there (developers there are rocking and rolling).
- Robert Scoble
I think we need to a (real) life. Maybe that's the answer.
- BLOGBloke
oh the new feature yeah yeah I saw that twitter lists god now my world has changed forever heheheh...
- Cjay
BLOGBloke: like I said, I was at the Ritz with a friend tonight. That was real life and was pretty damn good!
- Robert Scoble
homepages have lost their relevance, things are all spread now, people get to know you better from your social profiles
- ffcode
Louis, I don't want happy Robert back, I want to know what Robert wants and thinks coming in the future.
- Jimminy
Jimminy: I think we're in a period of consolidation and that pisses me off! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Agreed, Jimminy. Just talking openly, as he is. I have a great respect for Robert, and on most days, I assume the feeling is mutual. I brought Robert here. Can he bring us somewhere else, or should I keep looking and let you guys know? :)
- Louis Gray
There's your answer and I've been coming to the same conclusion myself.
- BLOGBloke
Louis: I will follow you anywhere. But I will ask Jesse for confirmation to see if you are really onto something. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
I'm all for going to a new/better service than FF....but so far, I haven't seen any.
- Beau Liening
I like this - together, the 3 of us will rule the world ;-)
- Jesse Stay
yes, the thruth is that if FF is dead I would miss it
- Luigi Centenaro
Beau: truth be told, me neither. But FriendFeed's limitations do piss me off. It got so close to something really brilliant.
- Robert Scoble
Jesse: I thought we already ruled the world.
- Robert Scoble
;-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert, shhh - they're not supposed to know that!
- Jesse Stay
Have you guys read Seth Godin's "The dip" Friendfeed is facing the dip right now. The dip is where success happens.If you manage to get through the dip, you can become one of the best in the world.
- Tapio Kulmala
What's really amazing is Rob is having a conversation with all of simultaneously and still managing to keep ahead of the curve. How fast do you type? 5,000 words a minute"
- BLOGBloke
Tapio: I would agree but FriendFeed's team has already been disbanded. So the dip is going to be permanent. At least that's my thesis and I'm waiting for someone to prove me wrong.
- Robert Scoble
I've been in the "Dip" for 10 years. There's still hope.
- BLOGBloke
BLOGBloke: I typed 35 words per minute with two fingers. Then I took a typing class. I'm a bit faster now. (Best class I took in college, by the way).
- Robert Scoble
I do agree that since the buyout, development has ceased. Hopefully that won't last too much longer and they'll make FF even better. I really hope FF doesn't get fully integrated into FB.
- Beau Liening
Funny all this is just RSS, and it would seem that if you want more, then you should focus on what RSS can really do for you, and not what you let a service like FF and TW do with RSS for you.
- Cjay
Beau: FriendFeed can NOT be integrated into Facebook. FriendFeed was designed for a million users. Facebook has 300 million. It would need to be rewritten for Facebook's infrastructure. That is NOT going to happen!
- Robert Scoble
That makes me feel much better. =)
- Beau Liening
My major was typing. I still have the diploma to prove it. Momma is so proud.
- BLOGBloke
What WILL happen is that some of the better stuff you see here WILL be rewritten for Facebook. Like Real Time Search. Or real time comments. Or better aggregation. Or better messaging.
- Robert Scoble
Still leaves FF in the dust though. =(
- Beau Liening
Paul Buchheit wrote Gmail. If I were Zuckerberg I'd have him working on messaging. Google Wave is a freaking disaster. Put a nail in that!
- Robert Scoble
I'm sure most of you know what RSS is right...and you do realize that this is the backbone of these services.
- Cjay
Beau: like I said, FriendFeed is done for the most part. If we see any more features I'll be very shocked. I'm just happy that the servers are staying up for the most part.
- Robert Scoble
yup google wave was a ripple if that....
- Cjay
Cjay: one of my best friends is Dave Winer. My son's initials are RSS (seriously, they are). I know a little bit about the subject.
- Robert Scoble
Not that I've gotten a wave invite...but from everything I've read about it, its way pre Alpha....I'll wait for the beta...
- Beau Liening
Jesse: the criticisms will probably end up bringing more curious users to friendfeed :)
- Mike Chelen
from fftogo
Beau: I don't think the beta is going to be able to save it. The only reason we're all paying attention to Wave is because it's from Google. Heck, that's really the reason I paid attention to FriendFeed instead of SocialThing or Jaiku.
- Robert Scoble
It would seem to me that an open social network based on RSS wouild be the way to go.
- Cjay
would love to have more features on ff and i am amazed by this phenomenon called Robert Scoble and Louis keeping such a low profile, way to go guys
- ffcode
Mike: in my experience that isn't happening. The growth of new accounts here is slowing way down.
- Robert Scoble
Leo laporte was talking about this at one time
- Cjay
Cjay: RSS is making a comeback, but I don't think it's fast enough. We're not using RSS here to talk with each other. That's XMPP (which is one of the protocols Google Wave is built on).
- Robert Scoble
So if the 3 of us (Robert, Louis, and me) rule the world, and Louis and I both say stay on friendfeed who wins? ;-)
- Jesse Stay
get it? "Stay" on FriendFeed (just noticed that)
- Jesse Stay
Robert, I thought we were using SUP, though it probably is on XMPP's backbone.
- Jimminy
It's 2:45am on a Saturday, and Robert is getting a stream of comments. I wish I had something to hire him to promote.
- Cristo
Jesse: again, I'm not leaving FriendFeed. So I'm a "Stay" vote too. But the three of us isn't enough, unfortunately.
- Robert Scoble
hmmm I thought this was just an updated xml file that everyone can tune into kinda like your blog feed
- Cjay
Robert, but are you encouraging others to stay on friendfeed? :-)
- Jesse Stay
Jimminy: I thought SUP was only used for aggregating stuff from services.
- Robert Scoble
(/me likes "Stay" votes) :-)
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: truth be told, not anymore. I spent 18 months doing that. To do that now would be a losing proposition for me.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, you're right, I think it's time for bed.
- Jimminy
Jimminy: yeah, I gotta finish this blog and then work more on my Twitter lists.
- Robert Scoble
I have the answer. We'll all pool our resources and buy FF. I've got 25 cents in my pocket and I can always raid the kid's piggy-bank. How about you?
- BLOGBloke
Robert, therefore you are outvoted by Louis and I ;-)
- Jesse Stay
BLOGBloke: I left Vegas with $100 in my pocket because I was too busy to gamble it away. So there y ou go! :-)
- Robert Scoble
And we also have a Realtime Distributed Environment in Socnodes, but Tornado is definitely where it's at.
- Jimminy
well jaiku is all open source now might go real good with google wave....8p
- Cjay
Identica is opensourced also, lets build a better Twitter and Friendfeed.
- Jimminy
I'm leaving Vegas with Louis Gray's money in my pocket - I can contribute that :-)
- Jesse Stay
truly - why the hell can't FF be integrated into the FB feed when they open FB up?
- Thomas Power
See Robert you just cant get this love anywhere else but on friendfeed....
- Cjay
Wrong Scoble, Chris.
- Jimminy
I was almost blocked by him, I had to talk my way out of that one.
- Jimminy
Thomas: again: FriendFeed's infrastructure can NOT deal with 300 million users.
- Robert Scoble
Thomas, it's up to you and me to make Ecademy the next FriendFeed.
- Louis Gray
Cjay: you haven't seen my Twitter account, have y ou? :-)
- Robert Scoble
Looks like I was wrong. There's lots of love to go around here. Can you feel it?
- BLOGBloke
Here's my blog post, titled "The Second Life of FriendFeed?" http://scobleizer.posterous.com/the-sec...
- Robert Scoble
Does it involve Second Life?
- Cristo
So we should jump to Posterous? :-)
- Jesse Stay
No. Other than Second Life received a lot of hype, then a lot of derision, and now is a growing and profitable business.
- Robert Scoble
Jesse. You can. We'll wait here.
- Robert Scoble
Thomas: again: FriendFeed's infrastructure can NOT deal with 300 million users. - Robert Scoble - are you absolutely sure, because why buy it if they can't? Thomas, it's up to you and me to make Ecademy the next FriendFeed. - Louis Gray
- Thomas Power
Thomas: my friends at Facebook tell me they bought FriendFeed for the talent, not the product.
- Robert Scoble
Louis what would you like us to do, we can only build it slowly not overnight?
- Thomas Power
This is one of those epic quickfire Scoble threads that I haven't seen in a long time. There's life in the old gal yet.
- Roberto Bonini
I think Guy Kawasaki is the next FriendFeed. He has involvement in Posterous, Tweetmeme (link tracking), SocialToo (utility), and Objective Marketer (analytics)
- Jesse Stay
I understand the need for talent Robert but why throw away the best product in the world when FB relatively speaking cannot hold a candle to FF?
- Thomas Power
Thomas: sorry, that is simply not true. FF can't hold a candle to Facebook. Why? Because Facebook runs with 300 million people on top of it. FriendFeed can NOT do that.
- Robert Scoble
Nope it's not Guy he's already too famous - only real geeks can build the best mousetraps - Guy's a marketing man
- Thomas Power
FriendFeed was built on a handful of servers. Facebook is running on 30,000 servers. TOTALLY DIFFERENT SCALE.
- Robert Scoble
And TOTALLY DIFFERENT INFRASTRUCTURE. Not even close to the same thing.
- Robert Scoble
Exactly right Scoble.
- Roberto Bonini
Facebook and Twitter were both built on a handful of servers. Let's not kid ourselves. None of these services started out big.
- Cristo
@Thomas .. the best doesn't always win. Just ask Microsoft.
- BLOGBloke
Cristo: it doesn't matter where they started. It matters where they are now.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, of course it matters where they started. How else would you be motivated as a startup company starting now? Should Microsoft or Apple not tried because IBM was big?
- Cristo
Cristo: most of the startups I know are building on cloud servers like Rackspace Cloud or Amazon S3. Not on their own infrastructure. Facebook might be one of the last companies to build their own infrastructure.
- Robert Scoble
Facebook is the next Microsoft. You heard it here first.
- BLOGBloke
Cristo: Steve Wozniak told me they didn't start Apple to compete with IBM. And building a PC isn't like building a web service. Not a good analogy.
- Robert Scoble
Does that matter? It's whether you should try, not how you implement it.
- Cristo
I understand FB is winning the market cap game and will likely IPO next year and acquire Linkedin too but they are NOT winning the best mousetrap game, that's FF.
- Thomas Power
BLOGBloke: Facebook is the next Google. Google is the next Microsoft. Microsoft is the next IBM. IBM is the next DEC. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Thanks Robert for that info. I worked at both Apple AND Microsoft. But I'm sure you have better info.
- Cristo
I stand corrected.
- BLOGBloke
Thomas: you sound like one of those guys I sold a Betamax VCR to.
- Robert Scoble
Cristo: sounds like you can't hold a job! Just kidding. I'm the same way.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: it seems a competition for attention exists between the more popular and the more esoteric platforms
- Mike Chelen
from fftogo
Infrastucture is mostly hardware. Facebook's architecture is not perfect. They only allow us to have 5000 friends. It tells something about the scalability of the architecture. We don't know how well Friendfeed's really scales..
- Tapio Kulmala
Robert: I agree.. nobody I know either knows about or uses FF, and I barely scratch the surface. I was one of the most active users I know on Facebook until my account was "disabled" this week. I won't be investing any more time into that unless they re-enable my account. I love FF but doubt that my audience will adopt it any time soon... wish I had been at bwe09!
- ASKJDOG
Mike: that's always true. Every once in a while the more esoteric becomes the more popular. I was hoping that was the case with FriendFeed but it wasn't to be.
- Robert Scoble
I'm not arguing about scalability Robert I understand 300m is 300 times 1 million but FF remains the best mousetrap so Mark Z MUST integrate the best bits of FF into FB that's all. I loved my Betamax and thank you for being so cheeky to an Englishman in this place.
- Thomas Power
ASKJDOG: heh, I've been through that. My Facebook account was disabled two years ago.
- Robert Scoble
Thomas: I KNEW it! :-)
- Robert Scoble
are you saying they are going to hold the 5000 limit because of scalability?
- Thomas Power
Robert: I read about that fiasco.. I can't get over the fact that they get away with taking away your access to your own data.. with no real way to dispute or contact them.
- ASKJDOG
Thomas, I don't know the reason. Architecture and/or scalability could be one.
- Tapio Kulmala
Anybody remember what was the most popular service 18 years ago? Yes, you all laugh about it now. It's not that different.
- Cristo
ASKJDOG: lots of Web 2.0 companies do that, unfortunately. It's one reason why I spread my attention out across a number of different services. At least that way you can find me somewhere.
- Robert Scoble
Facebook threw me out too. Gotta love it.
- BLOGBloke
So what replaces FF? ..or not replaces but would be more widely used by less techy people? More Twitter? Echo via one's blogs? something else?
- ASKJDOG
Someday, I'm going to be interviewed by Robert, and it's going to be super awkward. At least for me. ;)
- Cristo
From Robert's Blog Post. I couldn't agree more... "Will FriendFeed turn out to be like Second Life? I think it could. There will always be some people who want to be on some service other than the popular ones. There ARE people out there who hate Twitter and Facebook and want to hang out on a tool that more fits their personality. FriendFeed DOES have a future there. "
- Jeff P. Henderson
Cristo, the telephone or Usenet?
- Jimminy
Jimmi, AOL.
- Cristo
well I'm still on FB and completely stuck at 5000. FB is punishing me for building their network with my friends. Why do they do that?
- Thomas Power
ASKJDOG: we're all waiting for Louis Gray to answer that question. But why does anything need to replace it? If it stays the same as it is now we'll be just happy staying here. The problem is that no one else will join us. As long as we're OK with that FriendFeed is just fine!
- Robert Scoble
Ok Robert so I took a look at your "The Second Life of FriendFeed?" post... Do you think friendfeed will be another feature of facebook or will friendfeed stand on its own? You do know that facebook added some kind of tab feature to add friendfeed right into the facebook profile.
- Cjay
Chris, AOL was around back then, I can't remember I was a tot.
- Jimminy
ASKJDOG: I drank a glass of whisky tonight. No one sits around asking "what will replace that glass?"
- Robert Scoble
Jimmi, I can remember, but I keep drinking to try to forget. ;)
- Cristo
Cjay: I think they will be separate forever but that some features might come across. Real time search is definitely one I expect to see (Facebook was already working on that itself).
- Robert Scoble
Robert: lol.. good point.. I'm looking for ways to engage my web audience but it's a very different audience to yours. I like the whisky they don't necessarily :)
- ASKJDOG
LOL @ "a pimple on the ass of Twitter which is a bruise on the ass of Facebook" - nice one Robert Scoble! And very much agree with Jesse Stay: writing is on the wall and it may spell "Huge Opportunity" for the next upstart SN hub that gets the UX just right.
- Dan Freeman
We need to create a million bogus accounts on FB. Raise a little hell, watch it implode and buy FF for pennies on the dollar. Anyone up for a barbecue?
- BLOGBloke
being able to write efficient server software is definitely one of the talents brought by the ff team, so these services should scale as well as anyone's
- Mike Chelen
from fftogo
Robert's problem is that I think he doesn't know who to listen to online. It's just a random walk through whoever's-online.
- Cristo
Cristo: oh, wait until you see my lists over on Twitter!
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I haven't been given a good reason to actively use Twitter yet.
- Cristo
Oh, and Cristo, I interview a lot of people I have taken on online. Actually those are some of the most fun interviews because we both usually are surprised!
- Robert Scoble
Robert's lists on Twitter 1) Geeks, 2) Not Geeks
- Jeff P. Henderson
Cristo: I've given you more than 6,000 reasons to use Twitter here: http://twitter.com/scoblei... -- you're telling me that none of those people or Tweets sound interesting? I guess that's cool.
- Robert Scoble
Jeff: that would be a funny list, actually!
- Robert Scoble
"Cristo, I interview a lot of people I have taken on online." -- This sounds inappropriate, but perhaps it is late and I have a corrupted mind.
- Cristo
I'm glad you have a sense of humor ;-)
- Jeff P. Henderson
Don't forget the "Ignore" list.
- BLOGBloke
debated with, probably would be better.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I'd rather you just give me the one reason.
- Cristo
Cristo: one URL. 6,000 reasons. :-)
- Robert Scoble
The main problem I have with Twitter is that it very hard to hold a conversation there. That is why I much prefer FF.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Jeff: that's why most people don't like FF actually. They really don't like talking with you. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Perhaps, and it's just a wild guess, it's why we're having the conversation HERE!
- Cristo
You call this a conversation?
- BLOGBloke
BLOGBloke: it's something, that's for sure! If we did this over on Twitter all of our real followers would have unfollowed us an hour ago.
- Robert Scoble
Well it certainly isn't an argument at this point.
- Jimminy
This is just chat... a better system for chat is IRC, It's so much faster. I never did really understand why people keep trying to reinvent the wheel.. All of these systems like friendfeed and twitter and whatever else seem really slow to me, but I put up with it because I guess people need it.
- Cjay
Right, which is an interesting (and somewhat sad) reality about human nature. A service that you can just send your random thoughts into the ether is more popular than one that enables conversation, because people just want to feel important without getting feedback.
- Cristo
Cjay: sorry, IRC sucks. I've gone into why before. But it does and I'm tired so I'll leave the details for another day.
- Robert Scoble
Cjay: keep in mind I helped moderate Leo Laporte's chat room in the mid 1990s so I know IRC pretty damn intimately.
- Robert Scoble
cristo makes a point
- Cjay
Cristo: it's not just about feeling important. It's about simplicity. It's about being able to control who comes into your view (you really can't very well here).
- Robert Scoble
Also, most people just don't like participating. For them their 30 minutes on the web every day is more about getting informed and being entertained. Twitter is great for that.
- Robert Scoble
Hardly anyone comes into your view on Twitter. On Facebook, lots of people you know and don't want coming into your view do, unforunately.
- Cristo
Cristo: weird. On Twitter I have 5,000 coming into my view. On Facebook I have 1,500.
- Robert Scoble
I think IRC is to fast for most people to feel warm about it..
- Cjay
Robert, you are getting a lot of SPAM disguised as actual thought on Twitter. On Facebook, you're getting old friends and relatives that are inarticulately trying to communicate with you and sometimes in embarrassingly ways.
- Cristo
Cristo: not true. Every single person I've added into Twitter is someone I want on my home page. Not a single piece of spam has made it there.
- Robert Scoble
I actually like Facebook for connecting with people.. shame I won't be using it any more. Tho I'm using Twitter more and more It's difficult to see a structured conversation.
- ASKJDOG
I will have to say Facebook has crazy ways of knowing who you might know.
- Cjay
ASKJDOG: Twitter isn't for structured conversations. But you can include a link to one over here. That's what I do.
- Robert Scoble
I'm using SPAM loosely. Any Tweets that are actively promoting something they have no idea I'm interested in is SPAM to me.
- Cristo
Cristo: that's noise, not spam.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Yes! I noticed you do that.. and very effectively.. I will try it.
- ASKJDOG
I feel spread too thin across too many places - but FF is still quite lively among who I subscribe to
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
I'm off the bed now. Thanks for being a good sport Rob and I hope you're feeling better about FF now. It really is the best SN out there and it wouldn't be same without you. Goodnight to all my friendly FriendFeeders.
- BLOGBloke
"Imma gonna let you continue with this thread, but first I wanna say that Rackspace is the best cloud service in the business, ever!"
- Cristo
Bed? It's lunch-time here
- Tapio Kulmala
BLOGBloke: thanks. nothing I read here tonight changed my opinion unfortunately. But I'm still here.
- Robert Scoble
"Twitter isn't for structured conversations." Robert,,, if thats the case then should i go back to letting people know things like "I'm washing my dog and I just ran out of soup, I need to run to walmart, be back in 10..." ??
- Cjay
Our Windows 7 party is over! Actually, it was my wife's but I helped out even though I don't like WIndows. Oops. Maybe I should have tweeted that.
- Cristo
Chris, how did it go?
- Jimminy
Jimmi, really good actually. We really made a lot of progress cleaning up the loft. It was like two weeks worth of work in a couple days. And the food & wine went over really well.
- Cristo
Sorry Cristo, I think you meant to post that on Twitter ;-)
- Jeff P. Henderson
Jeff, you mean I didn't? I'm so confused.
- Cristo
Chris, you didn't spend enough time staring at the ice cubes you may have liked Windows if you would have stared at them longer. The message was Windows 7 is amazing.
- Jimminy
Cristo, I'm sorry, conversation about Twitter comments is not allowed here...
- Jeff P. Henderson
If I say @Jimminy will that send it to twitter?
- Cristo
There you go, now you have it all figured out.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Where is my new Sonos controller @?
- Cristo
@Cristo
- Jeff P. Henderson
I'll receive it if you do that yes.
- Jimminy
Robert, either way it still feels like 2 hours of my life I will never get back, FFFTW!
- Cjay
And of course it takes a Scoble post proclaiming FriendFeed dead to provoke a big chat like this. Of course, with my mere 250 or so subscribers, it would never work for me...
- Dennis Jernberg
@Try looking under the couch cushion.
- Jeff P. Henderson
If this is the tech elite, I wonder how dumb the conversations are over on facebook.
- Cristo
#pound her - Photos or it didn't happen...
- Jeff P. Henderson
@Facebook, My cat just did a backflip off the couch...
- Jeff P. Henderson
What the matter, did everyone fall asleep?
- Jeff P. Henderson
I rarely get a comment on even one post. I guess I'm missing something...
- Dennis Jernberg
@The_Club Did you see that chick??
- Jimminy
Robert: earlier adoption of a service ensures a longer delay before observing widespread appeal. this may be a stronger indication your prescience rather than sluggishness by friendfeed
- Mike Chelen
from fftogo
@Jimmy, we need photos.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Clearly Robert went to bed, because I'm not blocked yet. ;)
- Cristo
I think Robert just took time out to write another blog post entitled "The third coming of Friendfeed"...
- Jeff P. Henderson
Okay, I'm done with this thread. If you guys want to make sarcastic and sophomoric comments. FIne! ..........Let's just do it on another thread. :)
- Cristo
Cjay: one nice thing about ff compared with irc is that it is web-browser accessible, without addons like chatzilla or 3rd party sites like mibbit. they have many similarities otherwise, which is one of my reasons for liking ff so much :)
- Mike Chelen
from fftogo
Robert, the amount of comments is not necessarily a good indicator of the service health; from my point of view their quality is much more significant. A matter of signal VS noise, you know.
- Gilgamesh
Well I think IRC is still fast, clean and sleek, you want to follow, you join a channel, you want to be followed you create a channel. Friendfeeds comments are more like a fast forum arena and twitter is more like porno for pundits.
- Cjay
I think the killer mac app/shiny new piece of tech/deep-geek-inside-joke friendfeed is dead. But; its days (as a sort of hot-house for geeks) were numbered from the start. What remains to be seen, is what becomes of it between now and the time Facebook pulls the plug.
- J. Abdul-Qahhar
Over 360 comments in 3 hours on a platform which is "dead" isn't that bad at all.
- Mike Hellers
But I have to wonder if this isn't the natural progression of every social network. Myspace is a ghost town, nobody talks about Friendster... but going back further, how long did anyone stay with their favorite BBS? Why are news groups now only the domain of the totally hardcore? I think Friendfeed, while never a household name, has had it's day. I don't think it has to do with Facebook or Friendfeed's leadership, it just is the way it is. And one day soon, we are all going to be burying Facebook too.
- Ciaoenrico
RT @mikehellers Over 360 comments in 3 hours on a platform which is "dead" isn't that bad at all
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Mike - Well, 360 comments on an incendiary post from the guy who's nearly synonymous with Friendfeed. Otherwise tumbleweeds really have been blowing through this place for some time.
- Ciaoenrico
It means that users are frustrated because of this FriendFeed's acquisition by Facebook consequences, and want to tell it (once again. Again 'till..?)
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
The problem with FriendFeed was that the community broke down. It became far too much about who could gain the most attention, and not about interesting discussion. I think the Facebook takeover was just the excuse people needed to jump ship. Interestingly enough, since the DMU group moved over from Flickr, I am using FF more than ever. There is a proper community in the group, which gives me a reason to come back many times each day.
- Chris Nixon
from BuddyFeed
wow! I just feel like sombodies bitch here! 8D 8p~"~'""
- Cjay
I'm going to bed....
- Cjay
Robert: Be careful, you might find yourself back in the SUL ;)
- Nir Ben Yona
Nir: I never was in Twitter's SUL but I sure am on a lot of people's lists!
- Robert Scoble
By the way, I can't wait for you to see Twitter's new lists. Then you'll see that the SUL really is deader than a doornail.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: OMG, can't believe you're still awake. You know my opinion, Twitter veterans should be there. Anyway, how on earth can you build the lists if you have to pick those users one at the time? I find it way too annoying.
- Nir Ben Yona
Nir: it doesn't matter anymore. Twitter is about to start a new game with "lists" and now it's about reputation and influence and credibility and all that.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Do you think most people will make their lists public? In that case it might be a "game changer", like you've said.
- Nir Ben Yona
guess what - 99% of twitter users wont make a list :) and im not sure i agree completely with robert - those on the default list will naturally be added to more lists making it the same game - which is against what winer thought it would be.
- Allen Stern
still here, still occasionally comment on LG threads.
- Mike Nencetti
Twitter is down again. Not even a Fail Whale which is on my favorite list. Just down.
- Eric Logan
Eric: it's up here, mostly. The damn API has been barfing all evening.
- Robert Scoble
Allen: I totally disagree with you on the lists thing. I've already added 1,000 new people because of the new lists feature.
- Robert Scoble
Unfotunately, I'm finding myself agreeing with Robert Scoble (which is new to me). I've been getting far fewer comments and likes than before. That in turn gives me less to act on, so my activity has dropped precipitously, too. But even with my much lower activity, FFholic says I'm ~400th most active. 6 months ago, I wouldn't have ranked in the top 5000 with such low activity.
- Jason Huebel
I knew as soon as FacePOOP bought them the Party was over!! Garbage is as Garbage does!! ;))
- Billy Warhol
It's not dead, yet...
- David Cook
Twitter's new list feature is fantastic. And yes, I have made my lists public. This is my take on the whole thing: http://friendfeed.com/app103... It's going to take me quite awhile to get everyone sorted though. If they had come out with this feature months ago when I had only around 200 people to sort it would have been so much easier. But lists on Twitter or...
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- April Russo (app103)
The social media learning curve: many people quickly learn that articles posted on high-quality primary news sites and blogs are more valuable and useful than the comments posted in response to those articles on social media sites. They try to allocate their time wisely, to focus on the more important over the less important. That's why I spend much more time in Feedly than in...
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- Sean McBride
After participating in this conversation, for me there is one obvious truth that has surfaced from it all. Community is not the technology .. it's the people who drive it, and this thread proves there is still a thriving community here at FF.
- BLOGBloke
MG Siegler on techcrunch: "Previously, FriendFeed had committed to keeping the site running indefinitely despite their new jobs at Facebook. And it has remained running, but the site’s innovation, always its key attribute, has been completely halted. And perhaps as a vote of no confidence, previously rabid users are now largely staying away." http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
- Gilgamesh
Previously rabid Friendfeed users who are now staying away: to where are they migrating? Have they discovered platforms of equal or superior quality for sharing and discussing news? I haven't.
- Sean McBride
So sad, I just discovered FriendFeed around the buy out. We have to talk it up to our friends so it doesn't die!
- Nathan Snyder
I'm dieing!
- Zachary TG
so sad
- michael sean wright
The future of Friendfeed: a team of visionary developers needs to pick up from where the original Friendfeed creators left off, and aggressively push forward the platform's feature set. The basic platform is solid, but still primitive.
- Sean McBride
I fail to see why continued innovation is so critical when we have a platform that is already head and shoulders above anything else out there. Seems to me the only people who truly care are the early adopters and uber tech geeks, both of which are prone to jumping ship when the next new shiny service comes along regardless of how good the present service is. For the rest of us, we have...
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- Jeff P. Henderson
+15 Jeff!
- Micah Wittman
from iPhone
hmm, FF looks alive from here. the apparent halt in development is certainly attempted murder, tho.
- Joe Silence is not dead
If the current incarnation of Friendfeed had assembled the optimal feature set, it wouldn't be flatlining (or downtrending) on Compete.com. There is much room for improvement. (I've made numerous suggestions in the past -- consult the archives.)
- Sean McBride
Sean, it's pretty dang close. I do agree that over time, other services will either add all of the features that FF has or innovate and develop cool features that FF does not have. So the stopping of development will definitely kill FF in the long run. But in the near term, I have little problem with the present feature set here compared with my options elsewhere.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Jeff -- at the moment, I don't see any other platform out there that is as capable as Friendfeed for sharing and discussing news -- despite my lengthy wish list for new features. That is why I am curious about where many former Friendfeeders are migrating to. Are some of them perhaps withdrawing from social media altogether? I haven't seen any alternative platforms recommended here.
- Sean McBride
I think many techies are getting their feet wet with Wave right now. Time spent looking elsewhere - whether we find something usable or not - still translates to less time on FriendFeed ...
- Dan Freeman
My personal blog post, feel free to share with other non-FriendFeeders http://snyderxc.blogspot.com/2009...
- Nathan Snyder
I still go here more than Twitter and it's all because of the comments, pictures, no 140char limit, etc... I vote Not Dead.
- Jan Ole Peek
Plus I still don't see how anyone can have a valid conversation on Twitter with more than 1 or 2 people. Certainly not via the web interface.
- Jan Ole Peek
I don't think FF is dead. I also hope it won't die because it kicks ass :)
- alfred westerveld
I'm sorry, but I must laugh at the First comment by Jan Ole Peek, comments about the 140 Character Limit while abbreviating. (Subconcious?) Anyway, I hope it doesn't die also.
- Nathan Snyder
Heh, XC Fan, I'm a lazy typer, that's all. But I don't like to be confined to a certain number of characters. Aside from that, I like that pictures are displayed inline with FriendFeed whereas with Twitter you always have to visit some stupid site to see the image.
- Jan Ole Peek
Yeah, plus you can attach any file right to a post for others to see.
- Nathan Snyder
While a little crazy to read, where else could you have a discussion like this? I missed the main portion but it highlights the importance of real-time to capture discussions AND a solution to store/manage it. With FF I can join in later; twitter gone, FB out the bottom. Robert you thrive in the full blast from the fire hose, most mainstream users consider that pure torture. Your neighbors could grasp friendfeed, they'll never get twitter (in it's current form). I still love friendfeed http://ff.im/a57K2.
- Chris Myles
The irony of 392 comments (so far) on a thread about the service dying is causing my head to implode.
- Stephen Mack
you didn't expect such a popular and beloved service to die silently, did you?
- Onur Cengiz
++Stephen
- David Cook
from email
Heya Robert if you're reading this check this out: http://www.victusspiritus.com/2009...
- Mark Essel
Advertising for the uber geek ;)
- Mark Essel
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