Huh. Turn on "Suggested Sites" and IE8 sends your queries, surfing data, IP address and clicks to MSFT. Read http://www.microsoft.com/windows... closely.
I couldn't figure out how they show the suggested sites when you visit https://ieonline.microsoft.com/ . They don't use cookies or user accounts.
- Ionut
There are certain scenarios that require user data to be sent in order to make the user experience better, as suggested by http://tinyurl.com/3yue6c. Which if you read closely, discloses that Google collects exactly the same information if the user installs Google Toolbar and opts in particular features.
- Franci Penov
Hi, Franci Penov! Remind me what part of MSFT you work at? I guess I thought that Google's disclosure at http://bit.ly/2Jiwrg with the big red capital letters and disclosure in the first sentence was more clear than MSFT's disclosure, which was buried deep in the IE8 privacy page.
- Matt Cutts
Doesn't it say that it is the search provider which collects this data, and not the browser? That means it's more equivalent to the third bullet on this page. http://www.google.com/intl...
- David Owens
9 processes are loaded with the browser in Windows (No doubt toolbar type tracking processes). You can turn them off but it's not as easy or obvious as recent efforts by Google and Yahoo to opt out.
- Charlie Anzman
hmm.. well you can find out this much information about visitors to your websites and blogs too. But if MSFT finds out this info, they're blasted?
- Imran Hussain
from feedalizr
Matt, I work on Windows Live Toolbar. :-) I have not seen the big red letter warning you point to, as I have not installed Google Toolbar (exactly because of the product I work on). But you could've just mention that you have a problem with the disclosure clarity. I'll make sure your feedback gets to the IE guys.
- Franci Penov
http://tinyurl.com/6q9vou - Chrome Privacy Policy. Not as obvious as Google Toolbar big red letter warning; I personally had to dig a little bit around before I found it. I'd say about as clear and discoverable as IE8 Privacy policy you complained about. :-)
- Franci Penov
Franci Penov, thanks for passing on my feedback to the IE guys. I don't think Google Chrome has anything to hide (e.g. it doesn't send your browsing info to Google as you surf the web). In fact, I just did a separate write-up on the communication between Chrome and Google. Read it at http://bit.ly/2jnBYZ
- Matt Cutts
Imran, I think it's fair to point out that IE8 gives users virtually no disclosure that their wholesale surfing data (including queries done on other search engines) will be sent to Microsoft if they turn on this innocent-sounding feature.
- Matt Cutts
@mattcutts the Google reputation manager? :)
- Mark Edmondson
Exit polls? Exit polls are notoriously unreliable and suck. They absolutely SHOULD NOT be calling states based on exit polling...Hello idiot news guys...do you not remember the 2000 Gore Won debacle?
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
I've noticed that a lot of networks are 'projected' and then other networks are picking this up as 'ABC is calling..."
- Ryan
I haven't used HelloTxt, but from first impressions of the webpage it doesn't look quite as nuanced as ping.fm - seems more about status updates only. Ping.fm allows blog and microblog posting as well and I like the flexibility. Having said that, there's nothing wrong with doing one thing well.
- David Young
Sounds pretty even right now. Someone should post a feature comparison grid!
- Glenn Batuyong
Hello.txt with SMS gateway; while Ping.fm with IM support. Hello.txt is two way (at least on the web interface); while Ping.fm could only send messages, not receiving.
- Jansen Lu
I'm trying to get SMS working at hellotxt, but it rejects saying that I'm not sending to a "vaild 10 digit code" - ideas anyone?
- Steve Isaacs
Thanks for the updates, everyone. Does either service work well with Blackberry?
- Ryne Nelson
would anyone use Hellotxt as a two-way communication tool? or just treating it as a message broadcaster?
- Jansen Lu
HelloTxt: nicer interface and more services supported, though I tend to use both 'cos I'm a nerd ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
@Kol my Ping.fm's interface is very clean and neat, 'coz it's only the gtalk conversation windows :P
- Jansen Lu
I'm leaning toward TelloText though I haven't really given Ping.fm a fair shot.
- Kimberly J
I use Ping.fm and I like it better because they keep adding great new innovative features. And you can use it with many different applications like Twirl, Spaz, etc.
- Guitarguy234
Ok, so what is the term for FriendFeed Post Necromancy? Because this is the poster child for it.
- Justin Whitaker
Ok..i love pingfm..and now im using posterous.
- Dan Kern
Russia just put missiles in the air and Twitter decides to schedule their maintenance. I wanted to be the one to post the last tweet in history... For great justice and for all mankind.
- Mark Davidson
from Bookmarklet
"The concept is nothing innovative, there are already tons of apps that let you use your iPhone to buy transportation tickets and such, but this is going way further. Indeed, this new patent revealed and explained by PatentlyApple today presents an entire array of uses for the iPhone like buying tickets on iTunes; using ticket kiosks; unlocking bonus content or even featuring coupons."
- AJ Batac :)
from Bookmarklet
Pownce is best, but it is too unactive, twitter is too unstable and replying is annoying, plurk is weird, identi.ca is even weirder. So I think best micro-blog is kwippy, or Pownce.
- k00pa
I hate Twitter & Plurk & Identi.ca. Pownce is ok but I think Kwippy is best.
- ChaCha Fance
what about jaiku ? It didn't make the list...
- Yvon Bayonne
Pownce probably is the best but Twitter still has a much larger user base, Plurk is childish and identi.ca has nothing different other than login with OpenID. I'm still trying out Kwippy
- João Almeida
from twhirl
I wish Pownce was big as Twitter, that would make it the best. But I'm commenting on FriendFeed. Go figure.
- phil baumann
I'm begining to think of Disqus as a micro blogging format. it does have a linear quality as well. and it takes in Seesmic which I like
- NoahDavidSimon
Jaiku and youare are not on list, because I forgot that them also exist.
- k00pa
I am a Jaiku fan: best of all these worlds. Too bad Google killed it... ;(
- Barbara K. Baker
Twitter for rate of growth (but not for quality), Pownce for quality but not mass. I'm not big on Plurk, but I'm trying out Kwippy this week and like the idea so far.
- Garza
Twitter for ease-of-use, simple GUI, first to market.
- Rebecca Povio
the new Gtalk with open social is going to be kewl
- paisley
Plurk, not perfect but great GUI and more addictive than the rest
- Kol Tregaskes
from twhirl
I'm still missing the point on Kwipp, it looks like just another Twitter clone, at least Plurk has a different twist on it
- João Almeida
I think friendfeed is best for both microblogging and conversations
- Svartling
is this link, comment baiting, what... do you really WANT to know or do you just want to get a lot of worked up replies? Cause if you REALLY want to know, ping me and I'll tell you.
- John McElhenney
@JMac by suggesting you have THE answer, you kinda missed the point.
- Brian Carter
Twitter and Plurk, i like GUI of Plurk
- SEO Srbija
I'm 23 today. Old enough to start conquering the world!! :) UPDATE: It's 2010 and I'm 24 - surprised how much have changed in my life since then. Time to stop for a while and think over what has been accomplished during 23rd year of presence on Earth. All in all, everyone have a great Friday! :D
Sasha: As the future conquerer of the world, I want to wish you a happy birthday, and to pledge my eternal loyalty to your crown. May you rule for many happy and healthy generations!
- Morgan
Guys, thanks a lot for all the kind words :) you are a part of my fiesta! Would like to invite everyone to the party. coming to Belarus in the near future? ;)
- Sasha Kovaliov
from fftogo
Client: “I want a website that can make me a lot of money. Can you do that?” Me: “Sure, what do you have in mind” Client: “… one that can make me a lot of money…?”
Homer: Welcome to the internet, my friend, how can I help you? CBG: I'm interested in upgrading my twenty eight point eight kilobaud internet connection to a one point five megabit fibre-optic T-1 line. Will you be able to provide an IP router that's compatable with my token ring ethernet LAN configuration? Homer: (after long pause) Can I have some money now?
- bob
Client:“Here are some websites that I like. So I want my site to look something like this.” Me:“[after looking at the website] Ok, I get the idea. Now, do you want Flash on your website? We can certainly do that, but it will cost more.” Client:“Oh, really? Can’t you just download the stuff from this website & change it and put my logo in there?”
"While sites like YouTube, Facebook, and Digg inch closer to dropping support for IE6 and Microsoft itself urges customers to upgrade, a coalition of Web sites organized under the moniker IE6 No More has already decided not to waste any more effort on the ancient browser: "As any web developer will tell you, working with IE6 is one of the most difficult and frustrating things they have to deal with on a daily basis, taking up a disproportionate amount of their time. Beyond that, IE6's support for modern web standards is very lacking…." Or as IEEE Spectrum Twitter follower The GT put it: "Loathe IE6 with a passion. As a web developer, too much time & $ wasted on IE6 hacks & security precautions. Bad for Web 2.0.""
- imabonehead
from Bookmarklet
IE6 occupies the brains and minds of web developers by generating them nightmares of support. But there simply is no chance that IE6 is going to go away anytime soon. Because many corporates in America are still using it for their intranet browsing.
- TrafficBug
LAUGH OUT LOUD! Woman accidentally uses Facebook status updater, instead of messaging system, to thank a man for the incredible sex they recently had! HAHAHA! CLICK IMAGE TO READ
I still can't stop laughing. It is sweet in many ways and it is a private and intimate exchange but come on! Next time I might suggest some more discretion ! lol
- Kevin J Hatton
ahahahaha her status now is "it's complicated" :))
- Roberto
Ah. The "love cave" bit did seem a bit much. Not cool, 4chan. I wonder if potential employers can appreciate the subtlety of a situation like this? Tracy didn't write this, yet it has her name and picture on it. Can Facebook remove all traces of a hacked account like this one and then set a person up with a fresh one? (I doubt it.)
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
"The unnamed Christian dating service I mentioned earlier had an exploit in the website that allowed the entire list of usernames and passwords for the site to be exposed." WTF? Uncool.
- Andrew C (✓)
If you're responsible for a website in 2009 and you store plaintext passwords, you should not only be fired, but not allowed to touch a computer professionally for half a decade.
- Andrew C (✓)
I still think the picture is funny - in the sense of how NOT to use the update box. I'm torn a bit - because I feel that people should be responsible about passwords and what online services they use, so she holds some of the responsibility. But Scott's right. This was a 4chan hack-job, and should come down. Her privacy has been compromised - even if the image does still make me laugh.
- Prosey BUTTONS!
People, read The previous comments. A Christian Dating site was hacked by some people in 4chan (you can actually download a file with their login and passwords). Many users use The same passwords in many services, that's why some Facebook profiles are now like The one in the picture. Facebook was not hacked.
- Gianluca Neri
from iPhone
first hint it might be a fake... she commented on the status a minute before she posted it
- Sean Reiser
"Learn how Google Reader can help create a lifestream feed by merging multiple feeds into one. It’s easier than combining feeds in Yahoo Pipes."
- Kol Tregaskes
from Bookmarklet
I don't know if my thinking on this is right. I wanted to post my FF items to a Blogger blog in order to save them in case they "go away." I thought there was some way I could do this automatically, but I can't figure out how. Second, I set up a posterous and put that in the reader. That works fine and I put my new, so far empty blog in the reader. I guess I just need to know how to get stuff onto my blog from FriendFeed. Any ideas?
- Kimber Scott
And then read these tips from Svartling here: http://ff.im/6mh5s (the main one being to add everyone to a group so they can see your shared items and are allowed to comment on them).
- Kol Tregaskes
sounds like an easy way to create a "clipping" service for an intranet minus all the hassles and money
- Glenn Batuyong
careful with that functionality: if you publish the link to such a tag/folder, and people go to that link's share page (the typical google reader share page) and choose "subscribe", they won't get 1 feed, they will get a new folder with all these feeds automatically subscribed. Not what I would have expected!
- Iphigenie
Yep, you can see the feeds by clicking on the + button at the top.
- Kol Tregaskes
Isn't there a website where you can submit pictures of photo-stealers? This should totally be submitted. || Edit: Found it. http://thisisphotobomb.com/
- Miss Elle
...it was only after Chipper received his prints from the local PhotoMat that he realized two humans had snuck into the background of his lakeview self-portrait.
- .LAG liked that
Dear wingnut relatives: Thanks, but I DID read the bill. AND THERE ARE NO "DEATH PANELS" ANYWHERE IN THEM. Nor are there any other of those crazy things Rush told you about. But please, feel free to festoon my e-mail with your banalities. I can't wait to "discuss" them with you at the next family reunion. Regards, Me.
It's hard isn't it, if you find your family members are not all *that* clued in.
- Rene, Pro Button Pusher
Omigawd - thank you for speaking out for me! I've taken to mass-deleting email fwds daily!
- Prosey BUTTONS!
well said. for all the insane comments i hear, i feel like asking them "can you show me where in the bill that particular item is?" and watch their blank stare...
- Glenn Batuyong
*taking notes for next tactical maneuvering with otherwise beloved family members* Thanks Glenn! ;)
- Prosey BUTTONS!
just wait for that part of the family to die off due to lack of healthcare.
- SteVe C
"With DaisyDisk you can free up disk space by quickly finding and deleting big, useless files. The program scans any mounted disk and displays it on the sunburst map, where segments mean files and folders, proportionally to their sizes. The map is easy to read and navigate. You can also quickly preview any file and reveal it in Finder to delete."
- Outsanity
from Bookmarklet
clean interface. there may not be as many developers for the mac as other platforms but at least existing ones really put some polish and thought into the user experience
- Glenn Batuyong
A crowdsourced company. Don't we call that the government? ;)
- Sean Powell
Dave... we have been considering this idea for a number of years, but I think that pulling it together requires more than a geek-army or an open-source collaborative ethos. 'Open' is a mind-set, not a movement... and great egalitarian strategies are possibly best not to be collectively authored, or you can find yourself in the middle of a mega-committee. Its a conundrum... But we are happy to share insights.
- Simon Edhouse
Dave/Simon: someone will do it. Why not get started now?
- Jason Cronkhite
Totally agree... the core idea that Dave is putting forward has been my 24/7 passion since 2006... and maybe Twitter & Friendfeed (RIP) are going to prove to be catalytic forces for this idea. Certainly Dave is a lot more accessible nowdays... ;)
- Simon Edhouse
Simon, maybe with Dave's help we can form a community trust and put the thing together. :-)
- Jason Cronkhite
Simon it would not be like that. I'll write a follow-up post.
- Dave Winer
I would like to understand the financial vehicles to do this. Simon, I also agree that there has to be a structure that allows for users interests to be aligned with business growth for their benefit and the founders. Too often what happens when investors step in for pure financial return is the goal becomes focused on how to turn the company, "the exit", and not on building a sustainable company to enrich lives of the user base.
- Jason Cronkhite
well... to quote Robert Burns, "The best laid plans of mice and men often go astray"... Firstly I totally agree with Dave's other post (i.e. "Rex, you're making it too complicated..") where he outlines the structure of the Public Company... no problem there. I have reasoned out the same model some time ago. - I see it like a series of check-boxes that have to be ticked... and probably...
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- Simon Edhouse
Understand & agree for the most part. RE: BIG IDEA, don't know if it really has to be earth moving all the time but rather something that enough users can stand to benefit from both of using the product and financially. Simon, how about publishing your checklist and trying to get a following around the movement?
- Jason Cronkhite
The BIG IDEA is crucial... once you see it, you can't stop thinking about it, and that's what is needed to get massive buy-in. - "get a following around a movement" No... I can't drum that up. I am too small a fish, and not living in a VC hotspot. Dave's the man, if he can control his notorious crankiness (we love you Dave)... However, yes, I can add-value, but who am I? Dave has started to pull together this particular cosmic dust cloud. Let's see if he can truly lead it.
- Simon Edhouse
The crowdcorp concept is the way to go, now how do we make it happen? It is tough to manage efficiently the requirements of a community
- Alberto Saavedra
from Nambu
RE: BIG IDEA, maybe so - maybe not...remains to be seen. RE: you're not the one, it takes powers of 2, lots of passion, determination and as Seth Godin would say a Tribe. Sure, Dave may be one to press the issue forward but this notion requires an ARMY. Dave, maybe you can enlist Scoble and the Building43 community to push this effort.
- Jason Cronkhite
[edit] ...There are those on the web that are captivated by their own notoriety, as if being involved in social-networks is a popularity contest. - It isn't. If this project idea falls into the hands of the 'lime-light-seekers', who seem to have short attention cycles, it will rapidly go off-course. (that's my own personal view)
- Simon Edhouse
Ah, Simon. I understand you but, this is where the Power of 2 comes in so handy (you need both - the Edhouse's & Scoble's). Keeping people on course and captivated require different talents. Maybe Scoble & Winer are perfect balances. Maybe it's others but more importantly, you need all shapes, colors and credes to do something like this and the power of collective intelligence and influence.
- Jason Cronkhite
LOL... maybe we need a Jason Cronkhite too
- Simon Edhouse
Its a jigsaw puzzle... but, like those super tricky huge jigsaw puzzle's, to complete it, someone needs to have the picture that encapsulates the final vision.
- Simon Edhouse
OK... next we need a money person... who gets it. Someone who can resource this... Its not going to go anywhere much till that person steps up.
- Simon Edhouse
They are around. I forwarded a pointer to my piece today with a guy I'm working with on another project.
- Dave Winer
Cool Dave. Let's keep the conversation going. I would love to see this happen.
- Jason Cronkhite
I have detailed Info-memorandum type docs, and have sent overviews to John Nesheim (http://www.nesheimgroup.com/) who has given the core-ideas his thumbs-up, and offered to introduce me to VCs etc... John is a great guy, very smart and accessible. We had a long Skype chat a while ago... he gets it.
- Simon Edhouse
Fantastic Simon! Are VC's really what's needed 1st?
- Jason Cronkhite
VCs are probably exactly not what's needed as they (generally) are always thinking of their exit, and being risk-averse by nature they tend to look for 'me-too' plays... (projects that have successful precedents in the marketplace) ... No, an Angel Investor is what's needed. But there still has to be a killer Business Model as money people are always in the business of making more...
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- Simon Edhouse
Not to get ahead of ourselves but, even before an Angel don't we just need a passionate following of people (users of products/services they may want to own)?
- Jason Cronkhite
It seems to me what is needed is a platform to evangelize the concept, get people behind the cause. Of course, a financial plan as to how users might contribute to show tangible interest would help in gaining validation and traction for larger investor types.
- Jason Cronkhite
well... I instinctively take a different view on that. Not to say you are wrong, I am just really aware of the 'politics' of collaboration, the realities of project 'execution', and the realities and importance of I.P. protection for investors, even if it may become a public company (which by the way is a VERY expensive process to go through and carries with it a raft of responsibilites...
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- Simon Edhouse
point well taken simon, agreed. so, let's see if dave wants to help assemble the core group, open discussion, have a meeting of the minds in-person and push things forward.
- Jason Cronkhite
Just opened a private group, "User Ventures" and sent you an invite, Simon/Dave.
- Jason Cronkhite
"Jason assembled a great group of heroes, known as the Argonauts after their ship, the Argo. The group of heroes included the Boreads (sons of Boreas, the North Wind) who could fly, Heracles, Philoctetes, Peleus, Telamon, Orpheus, Castor and Pollux, Atalanta, and Euphemus." http://bit.ly/9LTx9
- Simon Edhouse
Nick, I have no qualms of opening up the group after those who plan to contribute help to establish a framework for the group. Foundations must be part of anything new even user centric organizations. So, if being an active contributor to help users suits you the group needs you and any other user advocate for that matter.
- Jason Cronkhite
Another axis to think about is whether a particular idea even needs to be owned by a single entity, public, or otherwise. Chances are, if you're inventing another communication protocol/network to piggy back on the internet/web and ship data around, it isn't always necessary to have a single point of failure. Rather, you're taking a fault-tolerant network protocol (TCP/IP) and layering...
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- Ray Cromwell
Ray, just reached out to Charles Armstrong of Trampoline.
- Jason Cronkhite
Interesting points Ray, and yes, the technology idea you outline is in accord with some of the ideas we have been building on... but inventing another open protocol does not necessarily a profitable people's Company make. - and Nick, as regards the irony of a private discussion... Sometimes you have to be smart... and being 'smart' is also about being prudent and careful.,
- Simon Edhouse
I agree, but some things are commodities/public goods and not really something that should be walled off just to try and extract profits. (Which I'm not against, I just think there are plenty of other things to make profits on than setting up more toll bridges) Would RSS have taken off if a single company owned it and all feeds had to be hosted through their domain? Maybe, but I think we'd all be worse off than the current situation.
- Ray Cromwell
Yes... I agree, and this is a very interesting area. - Probably the only way I can get us out of this log-jam is to go deeper and state that I am interested in two key symbiotic projects. One being an open platform, and the other being a separate (and at arms length) vehicle to redefine the way commercial contacts between buyer and seller, or advertiser/vendor and viewer/client are conducted.
- Simon Edhouse
Simon: you are a jerk if you think I do this to "seek the limelight." I shared OTHER PEOPLE'S posts here more than 21,000 times. That is called sharing. I travel the world and point my camera at OTHER PEOPLE. Building communities is hard work and the fact that you have started this project by being an asshole does not bode well for its future.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I went and looked and Simon never even participated here. Two likes. What a jerk.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Mark: I agree, but I won't help a guy who questions my integrity and is a jerk. Maybe if he apologizes. Plus he's already proven he doesn't participate so WTF does he know about building a community? Geesh.
- Robert Scoble
If I may... this is a fantastic political opportunity for all of us (bystanders like myself, geeks and users). I can hardly follow half the things you write (although I google most of it), but I watch the process as an experiment on "Open" Democracy through Open Source. My best wishes on its success no matter who partakes. If there is anything a civilian can contribute, please don't hesitate to ... well poke. :-))
- constantinos alexacos
No, the IPO comes first, before anything else.
- Dave Winer
Just to add my two cents: I am a relative small fry here in this big community and have been fortunate enough to have participated in interesting discussions with both Scoble and Dave. Both have found the time (at least to some degree) to engage with me and I have since wondered how they do it (or at least how much time it takes).
- Sean Powell
(Part 2) It seems based on these comments that something like this will need EVERYONE to actually be successful. With the advent of these technologies - friendfeed and (dare I say it) twitter - we now how the ability to truly get everyone involved and weigh in on decisions. That is the key here. Then we can help settle questions like: "Who decides where we go? What we do? Who's involved?" That last question should not even be considered. imho
- Sean Powell
Gee, calling people "jerks" and "assholes" is just too easy in this kind of forum isn't it? But you know Robert, I did not say that you had no integrity. What I was saying was that, if something like this were to develop in an integral fashion, as in [def:] "...necessary to make a whole complete; essential or fundamental", then its not about obtaining mass publicity first off... which...
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- Simon Edhouse
Simon, you wrote, and I quote "Pleeeeeese.... not Scoble. - Its gonna take buckets of wisdom, and patience and dare I say it, integrity."
- Robert Scoble
Dave, the idea of: "...the IPO comes first" baffles me. - IPOs are very expensive, and would only seem to raise the level of risk. - What is the reason that you take that position? - I think great companies are built on great ideas, and without the solid foundation of a 'great idea', I (and other's) would sense that its an ideologically driven foray... Foundations are important.
- Simon Edhouse
That, to, me, says you were saying that I didn't have any integrity.
- Robert Scoble
Simon: but your last statement is better. I still think your first statement was pretty damn rude, though, and when someone calls you on your rudeness, your first answer should be "I'm sorry."
- Robert Scoble
That's what my community website network is all about. See http://Frederick.com for an example. The site is owned by the community.
- Craig Shipp
IPO? The IPO market doors have been shut for sometime. Thanks for the chuckle.
- cheapsuits
yep... I'm sorry if that offended you, really. Loose words... I don't know you, and you don't know me. Over a coffee, we would probably have a chuckle and find quite a bit of common ground. Please accept my apology. It was an off the cuff remark, poorly executed.
- Simon Edhouse
Robert... gee I should have looked at your pic before insulting you! - Lucky I'm on the other side of the planet. ;) (I'm an Aussie, from English stock... fairly reserved, and nowhere near the buzzy west coast of the US. - so on quite a different frequency)
- Simon Edhouse
Apology accepted, now we can move on. Thanks!
- Robert Scoble
Ok... The trigger for this discussion was Dave's clarion call: ""we, the users, need to own a technology company -- and have it work to serve our interests..." ~ Its a meme that obviously resonates with many. There's been a shift to user-control, and libertarianism rolling forward for years on the web... and the implied friction-point (which is very real) is the tension between the Web...
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- Simon Edhouse
Simon / Robert: Glad you guys made up :-) ... Simon, I am interested in your points of view and think there is a lot of merit to the visioning process with great leadership. I think Robert is one of the best evangelists for technology there is and letting the Scobleizer do what he does best has a time and place and I think Robert knows this and I'm sure he can move forward once there is...
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- Jason Cronkhite
Forgive me if I don't understand, but isn't the purpose of a company to make profits? Why not create a foundation akin to Mozilla or Apache instead? The closest service-oriented foundations I can think of are Wikipedia and Archive.org. It becomes interesting to me if we're talking about a services-oriented organization that provides end-user services built on top of existing and future...
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- Ankush Narula
from iPhone
Ankush, I think the differentiation is that users contribution to these companies are not being rewarded. Why can the users as well as founders not be rewarded when they are essentially building the value of the company together. Companies cannot become valuable without customers so, they need each other and if users/customer bring up the valuation of the company why not have the...
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- Jason Cronkhite
But what's the end goal? Rewards or integrity? You have to find a balance in any for-profit venture. However, non-profits are driven largely by vision and integrity (ideally speaking). So let me ask some more questions. If you're laying down your money as a user+investor, won't your interests change from time to time? If you actually take a company like this public who controls the...
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- Ankush Narula
Brian... Wikipedia is a pretty good example of a company that operates for its users and is almost totally dependent on its users. However, it has no real business model, but retains a hugely valid place in most of our lives. - There is however an answer to the current dilemma/stalemate that folks here have been yearning for, and it is perfect and simple. In a nut-shell I would call it:...
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- Simon Edhouse
...and now its 4.00am down under, and I have to hit the sack... G'night fellow travellers.
- Simon Edhouse
Simon... if we're talking alternatives to client-server the only one that I can think of is true distributed peer-to-peer. So perhaps a collective of such companies working together under an umbrella would be very effective since we would see many various incarnations of user+investor style companies. Interesting...
- Ankush Narula
My only concern there, and its a well researched concern, is about secuity of the core protocol. there's a huge amount that can be 'open' on top, but the base transport protocol, sitting on TCP/IP needs to be super-tight, and solid. best kept as a trade secret, inside an ultimately publicy owned Company, that has rules to prevent corporations ever owning more than 10% of the stock. If...
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- Simon Edhouse
Update, I contacted Charles Armstrong, CEO of Trampoline last night and he's interested to join and learn more about this. He may be popping in soon.
- Jason Cronkhite
Dave ---- If I may comment about your original post sorry!), I found the post pretty inspiring. I advise on social media for an agency (no flames, please) and one of the things I talk about is "sensible" and "realistic" ROI. What I mean is very clear: we're not going to use bullshit metrics like "awareness" or "impressions" to measure whether or not our work had an effect on the brand....
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- Michael E. Rubin
Ankush... had a quick look, but immediately I see a big discord with what I've been thinking/planning. i.e. "You can upload any file of any size"... that is a continuation of the situation that has got P2P systems into so much trouble, and stigmatized the technolgy. Its great in one sense, but it invites Piracy, copyright theft etc etc. P2P is THE logical system for the internet, (its...
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- Simon Edhouse
Public shell looks like a good alternative, is it too early to bring VRM ideas to the promised land scenario?
- Alberto Saavedra
gee, don't get me started on VRM... nice philosophy, but very naive. (uh oh, 4.24am... damn) Bye...
- Simon Edhouse
The users owning it - it's the Open Source model!
- Marcos Marado
from fftogo
We touched on 'GOOG' & 'Business Models' yesterday... my observation about the prevailing status quo paradigm for web-advertising is summarised here: http://friendfeed.com/simoned...
- Simon Edhouse
hmmm... ok, if the concept of "Web Advertising" elicits such a nonplussed reaction, reflect on this: Contacts between vendor and buyer, and the drawing of these two parties together via promotion or request, is the basic process that 'Advertising' tries to achieve. However, as Danah Boyd highlighted in her December 2007 blog piece, (Who clicks on ads? And what might this mean?),...
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- Simon Edhouse
"As Facebook continues to roll out the full version of its new user profiles, it’s becoming clear that their primary goal isn’t, as they said in May, to simply create a cleaner user experience and allow developers to have more meaningful engagement points with users. It’s more about highlighting new content relevant to the user and fostering conversations about that content. And the result is that the Facebook home page looks an awful lot like the exponentially smaller activity stream aggregation service called Friendfeed."
- Louis Gray
from Bookmarklet
there is ONE thing Facebook cannot replicate from Friendfeed. Speed of execution. FriendFeed will always be better and will always be one step ahead
- Ouriel Ohayon
That would be the site with 60m monthly visitors Fred.
- Jamie
Coming from the other side, I’d like to see the Facebookization of Friendfeed (without sucking that is). FF is a great place for content and discussion, but not so much for community and social networking.
- Hao Chen
Facebook's largely self-contained, immersive "social" and "fun" walled garden works especially well for interpersonal relations, and the upcoming facelift improves on those same principles. I'm impressed. That said, it's too heavyweight for active group conversations. FF has far and away the most effective implementation of group discussions, especially around "the rest of the web". It's great to have both FB and FF, each optimized around their use cases.
- Amir Gharaat
The only thing I'm sure of is that Facebook will be unable to recommend the same 9 persons to add as friends to everyone - so hopefully we will still be able to choose exactly who we want to talk to.
- Svetlana Gladkova
@Thomas, LOL... I always crack up when I see, in any FB thread your "Facebook is boring".
- Juan Pablo González
Friendfeed lays it all out as a stream of posts and comments. It's like reading a newspaper. Just my style.
- david
Facebook has lost its mojo really fast, I winder if the same will happen to FriendFeed
- João Almeida
from twhirl
@Joao lost its mojo with who? The twittersphere? Facebook was doing just fine before and after they jumped on and off the bandwagon. According to FB, UUs and engagement are up every month.
- Jamie
Almeida: yeah, Facebook is growing as fast as ever and tons of "normal people" swear by it. Just because us early-adopter-inside-the-techie-bubble are over here playing on FriendFeed, don't assume that everyone else is. 110 million are on Facebook, maybe more by now. When I went to Israel all I heard was "Facebook, Facebook, Facebook." Same with my niece and lots of others here in Silicon Valley. Also, its event calendar brings tons more people than others.
- Robert Scoble
Typical conversation with Real World Friends: "So I saw this post on Friend Feed..." "What's that?" "It's this website where it aggregates everything you do on various social networks" "Social Networks? Like..." "Flickr, Twitter, Yelp..." (Blank Stares) "Websites like Facebook are social.." "OHHH FACEBOOK.. That's the best site ever. *blah blah blah"
- George Smith
Alex Gawley: Seems that Facebook no longer will be closed. "This week facebook will also launch their Facebook Connect product, which is designed to let users get that data back out of Facebook." http://www.techcrunch.com/2008...
- Alex Sauceda
but do you think the average FB user is going to use the "comment on news feed" feature? a quick scan of some of my heavy-user FB friends last week showed no comments on any news feed items, and then a couple days ago i noticed someone's status message was "I hate all these comment tags on facebook now"...
- Trent Olson
I love FF but all my non geeks friends and family are on Facebook. Seems that it works better for them.
- Alex Sauceda
Keep in mind, that 18 months ago you could not have had this conversation with anyone who was not 1) in the SV echo chamber or 2) in college. Web services start small and some inflect to a larger community and some don't.
- Christopher Sacca
My friends on FB go to Flickr for conversation. None of them are on FF. I add FF contacts in FB to view their bios.
- Russellreno
Louis - Agreed but I think the reason is more that they're trying to do an even better job with targeted ads (to keep the price in check) ... ala GMail. I find my Facebook list growing from my activity on Friendfeed. Hmm
- Charlie Anzman
Was the FriendFeed mini-feed on Facebook axed: no summary, just a note showing something was added? It's doing that for Feedheads too. Is this happening with others folks?
- Blake N. Cooper
Jim: Thanks! Does that mean that my friends would need to change this on their end to see more than 1 line? I have a lot of my friends who will stick to the default (i.e. will be overwhelmed by process for changing) and most likely will not see the content of my Google Reader Shared Items and FriendFeed activity. Sucks if that's the case. Thanks again.
- Blake N. Cooper
Jim: Is that option retaining the setting - I have it set to one line, short and full, but the new items still seem to default to one line.
- Richard Peat
Funny how one year later we are actually seeing the Facebookization of Friendfeed...
- Jean-Marc Liotier
That's a shame, really, tags are very useful. But if people don't tag you can't be sure about your searches. I would say warn them and delete their posts if they are not tagging but sounds like a medicine that's worse than the illness, doesn't it
- Cristian Vidmar
I think getting people to use consistent tags is like herding cats (or as Alex Scoble likes to make the distinction, herding FED cats): it's just not worth the energy because you can't get them to meet in the middle.
- Lindsay
Herding fed cats or pushing a rope. Too bad.
- Russellreno
Zee, what are the advantages of tags over no-tags for searching on FriendFeed? I thought you can find anything with FF's search?
- Kol Tregaskes
Push the FF guys to install a real tagging/filtering system so people don't have to resort to #hacks. It's a feature desperately needed here.
- Sprague D
give up zee. It is a good idea, but people don't seem to do it :)
- TheHenry
maybe if someone showed others on FF how/where to use them... I still have no idea what you guys are talking about... secret options? Hidden fields somewhere? I know what they are on other sites because they're obvious in the UI but here haven't seen them
- Glenn Batuyong
dawn & glenn: for example, "adolfo, pls remember the #web#mac#iphone#blackberry#mobile tags - Zee." those hash signs [#] plus the "tag" itself to identify something.
- edythe
I would not say give up. We needs tags badly for searching. Searching is difficult. even for something in your own feed. Reminders are good and we all need to set the examples. Zee, also a good example or two would help and I think it would catch fire.
- Amani
Oh so you guys have been inserting pseudo twitter hashtags? That's all good but honestly I haven't noticed any FF posts with them at all. And where would they go? Title only? In first comment? FF doesn't currently parse them as links so they're pretty useless
- Glenn Batuyong
Tagging would be a good idea if the FF UI gave you the option of choosing from a delicious.com style "popular tags" cloud or type your own
- Glenn Batuyong
I just modified my behavior to remember to use them. Now you are thinking of doing away with them?
- Seth Greenblatt
from twhirl
Tags are great for any content creating/sharing community - however there needs to be a very clear and immediate motivation for individual members to create and use them. I don't see that happening without support from friendfeed.
- Alexander Kohlhofer
Why are these #tags not mentioned in the guidelines? I think that would be a good place to start. Otherwise how are people to even know this is something you want? Personally, I prefer a different way of tagging things, and with more than searching in mind, prefixing the title in this style: [web] [mac] [iphone] [blackberry] [mobile]. My reason is that it sets it off better, visually and scanning down the page looking for what pertains to what you use, is much easier. (am I showing my p2p underwarez?)
- April
April i had them in the header of this page until i removed them this morning. I have given up on the tag idea, it's just too big a waste of my time chasing people up
- Zee.
No but my PC's OS can "possess" any Mac in existence, while the OS X demon is limited to Apple hardware only (without exotic, difficult spells) #RPGhumor
- LANjackal
hahaha, awesome.. My friends are tired of me telling why a mac is better.. I need to send it to them..
- Leandro Ardissone ⍨
from IM
It's an ad for the new "eletronic advice of receipt" service by La Poste (French national postal service). Send them your email, they'll print it, send it, charge you and email you back the UPU.
- Jérôme
That was great. Amazing. Take that Michael Bay.
- David Imielski
According to MacDailyNews these instructions work better. ----- by gointoscott June 16, 2009 9:01 PM PDT Well I tried this and low and behold it worked! You do not have to downgrade itunes. this is what you do: 1. You also need to download the carrier settings file listed above and save it somewhere ( I chose desktop) 2. then copy this: defaults write com.apple.iTunes carrier-testing -bool TRUE 3. then open terminal on a mac that you sync itunes with. then paste the copied info into terminal and hit enter. 4. once you have this then you just sync your iphone, then after it says ok to disconnect, then hold options and click restore. 5. It will then ask you to chose what file to restore. search and go to where you saved the att carrier file it is called (att_us.ipcc) it will NOT be grayed out if you run that terminal command. If by chance it is grayed out, run the command again, then go to options restore and it will then be available to click on. 6. Chose the file and restore. It will...
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- Gerard Lagana
from Bookmarklet
Has anyone discovered the PC hack yet?
- Peter Ghosh
The Flickr desktop uploader sits on your desktop for heftier uploading needs or offline photo management. Drag and drop single photos or videos, or select a whole folder. Even reorder how photos will be displayed in your photostream. - https://login.yahoo.com/config...
Flickr released a new desktop bulk uploader yesterday. For people having recent problems with photos not uploading in order, double uploading, etc. You might want to try this latest version.
- Thomas Hawk
from Bookmarklet
Thanks. I've been having so many problems with the old uploader.
- Nick Humphries
I have no idea if this fixes much by the way. I just saw that they updated the bulk uploader yesterday and posted it here because I'm hopeful that it addresses some of the problems that the old uploader seemed to be having.
- Thomas Hawk
Guess this will kill the 3rd party shareware utilities.
- dthree
Nah, David, I don't think that this will kill the 3rd party apps. I don't know actually that this upgrade really is any big deal except that it may improve some of the specific sorting and double posting problems that the uploader's been having in more recent versions.
- Thomas Hawk
nice. i was hoping the desktop uploader would get updated. the flickr upload in iPhoto needs some work (hello, PROGRESS BARS, anyone?!)
- Glenn Batuyong
I use the Lightroom plugin for exporting to Flickr. It eliminates an extra step in my workflow.
- Sean Davis
I use the lightroom plugin as well. Seems to work quite well though some of the automation (ie. marking certain tags as private) doesn't seem to work.
- CJPhoto