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I have 506 subscribers. Do you have more, less, or the exact same number as me? Answer only with "more" (greater), "less" (fewer), or "same" (equal to).

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more - Rahsheen ™

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less - Alan Simpson

more - MVB

more - Penguin ♉

less - Derek Coward

More - Alex Scoble

Less - i80and

less - Rodfather

less - Dave - SustainedEuphoria

I choose to ignore these rules *fight the power* - Geoff Schultz

more - Geoff Schultz

Haha, Geoff. I have the power to delete your comment, though. - Rishabh Mishra (p248)

Only five people with more subscribers than me? Come on, A-listers! - Rishabh Mishra (p248)

...more... - JA Castillo (جاسون)

more - yagami

Less - Patrick Jordan

gah..I interpreted the question wrong the first time: adjust the tally for my stupidity: more. - /Users/genieyclo

genieyclo earns some complementary cilantro for fixing his mistake. - Rishabh Mishra (p248) from Android

FUCK YEAH, CILANTRO! - /Users/genieyclo

more - AJ Batac

less - Walt Ruppar

less - MiniMage (FakeLifePerson)

more - Ha3rvey

more - Morton Fox

less - chrisofspades

less - Dan Morrill AKA Techwag

So far: Eleven people have more subscribers than I do, and ten people have fewer subscribers than I do. - Rishabh Mishra (p248)

Less - Daryl Burns

Oh, it's leveled off! The number of people that have more subscribers than me is the same number of people that have fewer subscribers than me. - Rishabh Mishra (p248)

Yes - Will Higgins™

less - *Tiffany Diamond*

Will, what does "Yes" mean? - Rishabh Mishra (p248)

Fewer. If you were asking me about a quantity - how much - like sugar or flour, I might have more or less. But you asked about a number - how many - so I have fewer subscribers. - Mary Baum

Very detailed explanation, Mary. :) - Rishabh Mishra (p248)

more - Alfredo

less - xero

less - Mitch

less - John E. Bredehoft

less - Richard Walker *cultUtee*

more - Brian Sullivan

less - John

less - Wang Yip

And still, Rishabh, not one commenter after me took the hint and started using the proper term . . . What wouldhappen if people repeatedly used the wrong syntax, or the wrong markup, in their code? But we think nothing of using the wrong words in English. And before we all get on my case as some sort of stick-in-the-mud English-teacher type, please note I just started the last two... more... - Mary Baum from iPhone

less - Michael Hocter

less - pea ♥ fierce as a woozle

less - April Russo

1 less - Jason Huebel

Sorry, Jason. I meant the number of *subscribers* one has. You have 311 subscribers, according to your profile. - Rishabh Mishra (p248)

less - Aaron Hood

Sorry Mary, the reason that nobody else has been using the correct word is because I enforcd the mistake in my instructions. I have now adjusted the original post to hopefully something that is more grammatically correct. (In other news, even when I use the standard FriendFeed interface from my G1, the "from Android" still appears after my name.) - Rishabh Mishra (p248) from Android

I still have a smaller quantity - MiniMage (FakeLifePerson)

If I said less, would you believe me? - Louis Gray

less - PragmitesConsulting

less - Sharon McPherson

less - Paola

less - Anne Bouey

I would love to but it drives the Nonconformist in me crazy. - Brent - Mugwumps R Us

MOAR - Mo Kargas

more. - Kol Tregaskes

less - vijay

less - Simon Wicks

more - (jeff)isageek

huh.. I think less - Thierry R. Andriamirado

Theirry: In your profile, somewhat near your name, it says how many subscribers you have. You indeed do have fewer subscribers than me. - Rishabh Mishra (p248)

more - Mike Nencetti

less - Steve C

less - azalea

less - Ben Hanten

less. people are people, and there's no way to interact with 508 people as actual human beings. (edit: should say *for me*, I'm not judging your subscriber count, heh) - Lo

less - Chris Luckhardt

A noble effort, Rishabh, but I guess people think subscribers are like sugar or beer after all: we can have more or less beer and sugar, but not more or fewer subscribers. I guess you were right the first time, and everyone has either more or less subscribers. I still have fewer subscribers, and I'm going to shut up about this now - or I bet I'll have fewer still. ;-) - Mary Baum

FEWER. - Kevin Pedraja

who cares? - fwed

fwed: I obviously have some interest in seeing the responses, otherwise I would not have started this thread. - Rishabh Mishra (p248)

I have fewer subscribers, but since they are subscribed to me, I consider them to be greater. - Morgan Haley

Less. - Tanath

Morgan also wins some cilantro for throwing in the whole "less is more" shtick. - Rishabh Mishra (p248)

Explain me your interests, so. - fwed

Well, I want to see if 506 subscribers is a lot of subscribers, or not a lot of subscribers. So I decided to ask the community. While writing an application to record how many subscribers each FriendFeed user has would be more efficient, I think that this approach is more fun and does not constrain my free time as much as an application would. - Rishabh Mishra (p248)

Come on, I dare you all to state how many subscribers you have. - Rishabh Mishra (p248)

It's on all our user pages, everyone can see the stats. ;-) 2,089 for me. - Kol Tregaskes

Yes, but it's more fun for you all to tell me by stating if you have greater, fewer, or an equal amount of subscribers to me. - Rishabh Mishra (p248) from Android

exactly the same. odd - Michelle Darnell

Actually, Michelle, you have 268 subscribers. I am not talking about subscriptions. - Rishabh Mishra (p248)

Come on! I will give free cilantro to the next person to have fewer subscribers than me. - Rishabh Mishra (p248) from Android

fewer - Kevin Johnson

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How many people have actually used a typewriter? What is the average 'cut off age'?

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I used one until university. so, cut-off was, what, mid 80's? - MVB

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i used one very frequently until sometime in 1994. - Dead Silence

I've used one, many many years ago. Probably late 80s - Glenn Slaven

I used a typewriter once when I was fairly young, around the beginning of the nineties. We had a "modern" one and I was curious to see it in action. I made a typo in the first word. - Jonathan Hardesty from Android

You will probably still find them in use today in a lot of law firms. - Alex Scoble

My dad had one when I was little, and I managed to type a paper or two on it. Nothing major. - Carlton Hackett

typewriters are still used as backups in case our 486 pc's die at the firehall .. - johnpiercy

I used one in elementary and Jr high. Some in a work training job that I had with OC County in Jr High. - CW™

my first two were manuals, my last one was an electric Smith Corona from the early 1970s. the only reason i stopped using it in 1994 was becos a cousin of mine walked off with it one day. - Dead Silence

We had a typewriter at home until the early 1990s. I used to type opening paragraphs to the Tolkien-rip off fantasy novel that I never finished on it. My dad may actually still use one in his office on a daily basis even though he has a computer and a printer, too. - Victor Ganata

We had one of those big green IBM ones that I use to type my assignments out on until about the 90s. Just strange that my nephews (8 and 5) have never, ever seen one or used it. - Johnny Worthington from IM

I remember using my dad's when I was six or seven (mid-1980s). And when I worked at a bank, we used one to type up a few forms that had carbon copies in them. - Jandy

I love typewriters. - Mona Nomura

Probably early 90's in typing class - Rodfather

The last typewriter I used was in 1996. Law firms are slow adopters of technology or where. - Dave - SustainedEuphoria

I took a typing class over the summer in '92. That's the first and last time I used a typewriter for any length of time. I took a typing test on a typewriter when I interviewed for a temp agency in late '94. I think that was the last time I ever touched one. - Lindsay is :)

Very early 90's - Mo Kargas

I've used one before. but yea. early 90s - John Wang

I used a typewriter in the late-80s / early-90s. Parents thought my bro and I (hunt-and-poke typists) would best learn to type and that was in the days of typing class. Even though we needed to learn typing such that we'd type on the computer better. - Wirehead

I did, I'm 27. - Joshua Schnell

My Dad used to type up his tests for his students back in the mid-80's. I used his typewriter a couple of times to type up papers before we got our first computer around 88 or so. I'm 32 now. - Daryl Burns

Nope, 16. - /Users/genieyclo

When we donated dad's library we also included his beloved Selectric. They sent it back... - MVB

I used one until I got decent word processor software for my C-64, around 1989. My sister actually took a word processor to college her first year; second year, it was a PC. - Ladybug Heather

I took typing in 1989. Never used one again after the class, because I took computers the following semester - Matthew DeVries

I learned to type well before computers. - jlt-Janet

I had one when I was kid, early to mid 90's. - Sarah Peterman

I've used one. I'm 22. My dad had some old manual ones. - Aaron Hood from BuddyFeed

32 here as well. Used one to write up book reports. - Arlan Koizumi

I worked at a tiny 50 watt AM radio station in high school, and we used typewriters. I am 33. - Michelle Martinez

I'm 28 and I used one quite often as a kid. - Joe Pierce

High school typing class -- 1988 - Christopher Carr

High school typing classes: 1960-63 Best thing I ever did (though I hated it then). I can fly round the keyboard, touch-typing too. Cut-off when I got my first Mac (1984). - Kate Foy

I'm 24 and I remember using one a lot as a kid... I don't even think I used it to type schoolwork, I just liked typing random stuff on it for fun. Also, when I worked at an elementary school in 2004/2005, we had a word processor in the office that we used frequently. - Penguin ♉

I was using one at work in the early 90s. Maybe '92 at the latest. - Curtis Jackson

I've played with one before but never actually used it for anything. - Andrew Trinh from IM

The interesting bit is when you try going back to a typewriter from a computer. Messes with your head! - Kate Foy

Used one and I am 43, but never gone back to try and use one since moved to the computer. - Lyndon Washington

I'm 43 too and learned on one. Used them half way through college, and then they made us start using WordStar word processor. Dot commands, FTW?! - Rick Cogley

When I started working at Social Services in 1997 we used ballpoint pens and carbon paper. - m9m

I used one until 1995. Only used one once since then. - John

I kind of want an old skool mechanical typewriter (Although I have no place to put it) so I can preserve the antiquity as long as possible. - Wirehead

Although, I think I want a proportional spaced typewriter most of all. - Wirehead

I have one in my bedroom. Though, it's for fun. All of my work was always done on a computer. The typewriter was for zines or creative projects. I like the click click click. - joey

Used one regularly until I was 23 or so. I used one infrequently at my last job, some grants are required to be typed but people don't supply e-copies. Madness. - pea ♥ fierce as a woozle

I used one when I was at college. I was a "secretary" for the undergrad music department. It was a workstudy - jamar78

I used one as a kid, maybe 3 or 4. It was cool, but huge and not as cool as Nintendo. - Mike Nayyar

Took typing class first year of high school and used one sporadically in the 60's. Not since though. - Brian Sullivan

I used one up until 1987 or so when I got a computer with a printer. My mom had an IBM Selectric that she was quite proud of. - Joey Gibson

1990. My mother had one never used one since. - M F

I used one in the mid-90's, didn't get far with it. I'm almost 20. - James Fuller

I certainly have! And I'm only 25! - Amy

Many times. I'm 27. - Bec Rowe @d0tski

< used. 25 - mjc

I still use one occasionally at my parent's office when they want me to type an envelope up or something. - ronin

I used one a LOT in the 80's. I just used one two weeks ago as well. It felt very quaint. - Jeremy Brooks

I took typing 101 in 1969, then took one to USC until 1973. - Russellreno

I just almost had an argument with my husband over his wanting to give away my old Brother typewriter........just seems wrong not to have one in the house. You know, for ransom notes and stuff. - suzanne

yep, learned how to type on a typewriter in the early 80s - Herb Hernandez from iPhone

I grew up with typewriters (and was hit by lighting while typing on one in my parent's basement). When I started college in 1982, there was only one computer among 40 students in my dorm. By my senior year 1985-86, there were 0.75-1.00 computers/student (helped by the Lisa/Mac release in 1984). In the 1990s at UCLA, we used typewriters occasionally to type on forms, but I left UCLA in 2000 and haven't used a typewriter in about 9 years. - Mitchell Tsai

I took typing in high school (82-85) and I owned a typewriter while I was in college. I didn't use it much because we got Macs at my college in 85-86. I think that typewriter is still at my parents' house. - Ha3rvey

One of my friends, Adrienne Su, http://users.dickinson.edu/~sua (now Poet-In-Residence at Dickinson College) went with me to the Harvard Bookstore browsing. I heard a strange music coming from the typewriter area. Adrienne was typing soooo fast and so musically - just dreamy. I've never heard anyone type like that since. - Mitchell Tsai

I learned to type on one in like 1990. - Brett Kelly from iPhone

Many friends typed papers in college for extra money. My roommate Howard Pollack was typing in the dark one day (on a manual typewriter), when the four of us turned on the lights to se what Howard was typing. He had been typing a transcript of our conversation (script-writing style) in real-time! Me, I never took typing in high school...ended up being a 40 wpm hunt & pecker... - Mitchell Tsai

I used my mothers as a kid, but I actually bought one for my first wife when she graduated college. - Ian May

Did in my high school typing classes, but not after that. I'm 32 - Haggis (Sean Loyless)

I learned to touch type on mechanical typewriters in 1986 at school (no Australia is not a third world country!). Electric typewriters were introduced in 1987. But I have never used a typwriter at work since then. - Matt G

Used one right up until the end of high school. - Steven Perez

I played with my grandparent's when I was a kid, but I had computers most of my life. - Neal Jansons

Typing class, high school. Electric, but an actual typewriter. Yes. - Micah Wittman

Early 80s - maybe 1982 or 83-ish? We actually had our first office PC hooked up to a typewriter as the printer because the typewriter type looked better than the dot-matrix type. Naturally, once I met the Mac in 1987, I never went back. - Mary Baum

I used my grandparents' one when I was about 8, so 1993. - Mitch

In the 90s, we dug out the old Olivetti and set it up for our daughter as a toy. She's now 19 and thinks of her MBP pretty much as a body part. - Mary Baum

I used it once just for fun :) - Ryo

I actually used to own one and used it in college, until I bought an Osborne computer and Epson RX80 dot matrix printer my senior year. I think I gave my typewriter to my younger sister when she was in college. For some reason I never asked for it back ;-) - Jeff P. Henderson

I used to sell them when I worked at Staples. I worked there until 2005ish and still sold them. I used one as a kid too. I'm 31 - Mike VanLare (slayerboy)

I have a '40s-vintage Royal sitting on display in my living room, and I type letters on it from time to time just for the fun of it. It works beautifully, and I find the mechanical feel and sound very satisfying. But then, I'm a bit odd. - सत्याग्रह {Bren}

I got a C in typing class in middle school. (35) - Brian Daniel Eisenberg

I have. (32) - Louis Gray

I first learned in high school about office machines and one in particular was the wondrous typewriter, I have not used one in awhile but at the very least I do remember. And really sometimes a simple typewriter can be a great thing, so I have used it but I don't make it a point to use it regularly. - Dream Sessions w Ray

I actually did my college thesis on a typewriter (all 120 pages of it) - that experience was what drove me into computers - never looked back since then. - ian kennedy

I owned a manual typewriter and learned to touch type on it in 7th grade in 1982. My mom may still have it and I don't remember much about it, but I can picture it in my head. It's really fuzzy though, like my memories of Shell Beach, can't put my finger on it... - Adrian Culici

I learnt to type on a typewriter way back in '67 - one of the best things I ever learnt - srsly - I'm still really young -] - Chris Loft

I did a typing course at school. The famous Scheidegger typing course. I was 12 or 13 in those days. So that was around '76/'77. It's probably the best thing I learned at school, because I'm still enjoying what I've learned then. - Ton Zijp

I used to use a typewriter, and I'm 24. - Will Higgins™

Some involved in air traffic in the 90s still used typewriters. - Bernie Goldbach

I have, in the 90's I am 31. Also, I believe the high school office where my mother works still has a couple that they use for adding names to certificates and the like. I will double check this with her tomorrow. - Rachel Lea Fox

I learned how to type on a manual typewriter, but haven't used one since maybe 1986. - Bonnie

i'm 23, used one briefly when growing up not because we didnt have a computer (had some P1 box and a Mac Centris) but because i liked the cool mechanical sounds it made. ;-) - Paul Stamatiou

What's a typewriter? ;-P - Jeff P. Henderson

We were taught to use a typewriter at school - that was actually the only time we ever used a typewriter, for most of us, since computers were already taking over (except perhaps for form filling). We had the typewriter class and a computer class the same year, and the typewriter class did not even help for computer typing because it was on the horrible french key-layout whereas our computers had swiss keyboards - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

I have. 29 years old now. Last time was probably 2 years ago to label envelopes (I think printers remain bad at this). - Sajida Khan

I used one many Moons ago but only because my parents had an old one at home. - Kol Tregaskes

I had, I'm 26. It was my mother's, she used it at school. But I remember her using it at work in the late 80's too. - albameccanica - Arianna

I had to type the personal info on my college applications (in 1996) but I got my Mom to help because I was afraid I wouldn't line things up correctly. - Shannon Jiménez

I did, back in the 80's as well. - David Cook

I learned to type using a typewriter during high school (mid 90's). - Kevykev

I saw one once & think i tried it, but it was like 15 years ago or so - immaterial

Yes, up until 1994, I think, I often helped my father type academic papers on our typewriter. I didn't have a computer of my own until early 1996, I believe. Used campus labs from fall of 1995 until about February. - Scott of Two Countries

I used one up until about 1988. It was an IBM Selectric. - DGentry

I'm 23 - I have seen them, but never used for anything. - Rich

I'm 36 and used one. We were tought type writing at school, but that ended in the mid 80's when the school got computers and we had to learn Basic - Martin Liechti from fftogo

i used one in jr high and part of high school in the early 80s before i saved up enough to get a printer for my apple ][e - Imabug

used one till late 90's. I found it kind of cool for "creative writing"... :)) - diego morelli

Wow.. I actually used one in junior high.. I still remember the smell of burning oil! Gee.. that was in the early 80's I think? - Sean

I'm 26 used one until HS. - Amber Spence

I'm 41 I owned one. Used it in HS and college. - Gunny The Fuzzball ™

im 21 and own 3 typewriters - Anthony Feint

I used one in high school typing class, circa 85, that I took as an elective to better learn how to type on the computer keyboards I had for the 4 years previous. My dad used typewriters in his small business until about 89-ish when he switched over to the wordprocessing unit he had used at home for year or so prior. Actually slow for him given he had car phones when they were huge radio units, a pocket TRS-80 in the early 80s ( http://www.trs-80.com/wordpre... ), and such. - Michael W. May

i took it in high school around 1990. that was probably the last time i did - (jeff)isageek

I learned to type on one when i was 11 or so, which was in 1996. It was a very modern one, as it could store documents typed and such. I only used it for that class though. - Tom Ribbens

I'm 36, typing class in HS used electric typewriters as PC's were too expensive at the time. Had IBM "lugables" for computer class :) Teachers in school did not like the printout from dot matrix printers so even though I had a computer at home since about 1981, we still used typewriters throughout school for reports etc. - W. Brant Kesseler

I learned to type before I could hold a pencil. Well, the 2-finger hunt-and-peck method of typing. I'm 38 now... I think I regularly used a typewriter for things until sometime around 1987. - Nine hates realtime.

i did,since i was 9 to my late teens. no computer and a writer's spirit . I'm 31 now, the typewriter belonged to my grandfather, who gave it to me before he died. It's one of my most important possessions. - Alexandre Gamela from twhirl

I taught myself to type on one, so once we got a computer I used to bash the keys really hard. We got our first pc with printer in 1986, but I still used the typewriter for letters and stuff after that til the ribbons ran dry and we couldn't buy replacements - probably around 1990 I think. - Mellissa Doyle

I used to carry around a portable electronic one in my briefcase that I'd take to high school with me every day. - Thomas Hawk

I'm 40. My mom had a typewriter, I used it once or twice just to see what it was like to type on... - Tad, Anti-Immanentizer

I'm 50. Actually took typing in high school. That was mid-70's. - Norma Dennis

I'm 37 and used a typewriter in my middle school typing class. Had a computer at home too though. I feel like I'm on the cusp. - Graham English from iPhone

I have attempted to use a typewriter before. My typing career suffered a major setback when I was kicked out of the typing teachers class on the first day of school. I decided after that that taking typing would not be a good idea. - Alan Simpson

by the way check these out, this picture was taken a month ago or so: http://twitpic.com/7t485 - Alexandre Gamela

I am 30, and used to use it - Shevonne

28 and I used my dads at home for school work when I couldn't get time on the computers at school until we got a computer in 94. The typewriter even had a delete key! - alphaxion

I'll admit it ..... not the age part :) - Charlie Anzman

I've used one. Also used a word processor until 95 or so. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

i learnt to type on one. Used one until 2nd year uni (1991) when we got all cool with computers. - Sue

I still use the old typewriter for post cards and special mailings (USPS) found extra ribbon on ebay. - Tricia

I had one until my third year of college, in 1989 . . . then a Commodore something or other (128?) - William Harryman

I am 43 and I used one up until 1999, which was when I got my first computer. I have it stored away in the basement. Should I ever need one for filling out a form, I'll go down there and drag it upstairs. It's a big heavy machine with a built in word processor. I stocked up on print & correction cartridges awhile back, just in case they stop making/selling them. - April Russo

I'm 28, and I last used a typewriter about 4 years ago. Usually I own one, and now that you've posted this I want to go buy another. Love them! - Lo

23 but my grandma had one, probably is still around, my impressions: the loudest keyboard I've ever used - Dobromir Hadzhiev

I stopped using a typewriter completely in '85 when I got my first PC... with an extra keyboard that allowed it to double as a typewriter! LOL! - Arleen Anderson

used one at college, sometime in the late 80's haven't used one since though - unicomunica

Still use one. We have certain things that just work better in a typewriter. - LLL

I used one until probably 1993 - Steve C

I still have a typewriter. - Morton Fox

I did and we had a mandatory typing class Freshman year of HS. :-) - Mathew A. Koeneker

I learned to type on one. Around 1989-90. - Derrick

The last time was when I was a kid in the 70's. Then the ZX81 happened... - Andy Bold

at my grandparents. probably mid-80's or so. - SolidSmack

I still have to use a typewriter. It's a monster. IBM Wheelwriter 30 Series II - MicahBear78

I had to take typing in high school. I got a 42. On a 100 point scale. It was definitely not my sport. I'm 44, btw. - Kevin Pedraja

i have! I'm 35. I wish I still had one. - Anna Lynn M.

I have never seen a functional typewriter. I'm 22. - (Garin Kilpatrick)

We had the opportunity to learn how to type when we were young at school, age 11 I guess. That's how I actually learned typing! - Kris

I've used 'em, even had a junior high typing class which I did horribly at, but surprisingly learned rudimentary skills. Remember having to retype entire pages every time I made an error on a paper that was due the next day. I used to always seem to be miserably sick the nights before papers were due, and miraculously cured the next day when I turned the paper in.. I'm about 43. - motownmutt

through 92. got my first puter in 93. - Matt Soreco

I took typing in 9th grade. Glad I did too. Now can I remember margins? Not like I can in Word... - Mike Lewis

I'm 27 and I used one in elementary school for my reports - Shey

In my senior year of college (1982-1983), I decided to write my undergraduate thesis using nroff and some macros, rather than typing the whole thing on a typewrite. - John E. Bredehoft

I had an electric typewriter when I was in college - but I didn't use it for much more than applications when I started using emacs and a dot matrix printer in 1983. - Bill Sodeman

Does a MOD-40 Teletype count? - Dan Morrill AKA Techwag

I learned to touch-type on a manual (non-electric) typewriter in junior high school in 1986. Born in 1973. - Kevin Fox

Related question: when was the last time you used a pencil sharpener? - Paola

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When searching Craigslist, there is a search box and then a drop down to choose to search within "for sale", "community", "events", etc. Is there a trick to search in ALL of those forums at once? Or do I really have to do the same search 9 times to hit all sections?

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I've had the exact same question (haven't figured out if there's a way to do it). - Jan (wordsforliving)

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Bump. Any ideas? - Rochelle

I just use the search function on the main page, seattle.craigslist.org for the region, usually I find everything I am looking for. Hope that helps. - Dan Morrill AKA Techwag

Ditto what Dan said. Just use the search on the main page and it should cover all sections. - JA Castillo (جاسون)

Perhaps I'm an idiot. What do you mean "search function on the main page"? I went to craigslist.com but don't see a search. - Rochelle

Bump for help? - Rochelle

Not sure what they mean, but you could also try using a google trick, like your search term(s) plus site:seattle.craigslist.com - Josh Haley

The main page of the location you are interested in (e.g. Seattle). There should be a search box on the left. Any search I have done under "sale" usually returns listings in multiple sections. - JA Castillo (جاسون)

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"Settling down to watch each new Harry Potter movie is a bit like slipping into a much-loved old coat you’ve found at the back of the wardrobe. You know broadly what to expect; the pleasure is in the rediscovery. But it is to the enormous credit of Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, the sixth instalment in the sequence, that it doesn’t rest too comfortably in this familiarity. It takes the saga in a dark direction, as Harry accepts his role as the Chosen One and sets about preparing to destroy the evil Lord Voldemort. Director David Yates and his cinematographer Bruno Delbonnel set the tone right at the start, with a brilliant opening scene that shows evil sweeping into the normal world in explosive black trails of smoke, creating dark storms over London and destroying the Millennium Bridge. That monochrome intensity, a sense of all the colour having seeped out of the world as wickedness takes hold, is the dominant mood as the Hogwarts headmaster Albus Dumbledore (Michael Gambon) seeks to help Harry understand the history and the mind of his arch-enemy." - RAPatton

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"New characters are effortlessly absorbed into this Rolls Royce of an ensemble: Helen McCrory is both sinister and febrile in a tiny scene as Malfoy’s distraught mother; Jim Broadbent is a joy as the social-climbing Horace Slughorn, who makes his first appearance disguised as an armchair. Watching with pleasure, I couldn’t help occasionally wondering what a newcomer to the series would... more... - RAPatton

We are going to go see this in Imax if it is available here. My wife is so excited about this movie. - Dan Morrill AKA Techwag

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Should People Kill Their Blogs in Favor of Lifestreaming? - http://lifestreamblog.com/should-...

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They both consist of a series of online written webpage messages, often including comments, an RSS feed, trackbacks, and categorization. If a lifestream includes all the features of a blog, how is it not a blog? Blogging is dead, long live blogging. - Mike Chelen

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No. Do both. Lifestreaming is not an excuse to be lazy ;-) - Andy Sternberg from fftogo

Without blogs, lifestreaming would be rather dull. - April Russo

Feed your blog to your lifestream. - Morton Fox

Or feed your lifestream to your blog. - Jason Clarke from iPhone

Is there a contest somewhere to see who can ask the silliest social media questions? A blog and a lifestream are two different tools. They can interact with each other, but not really replace each other. - David Chartier from BuddyFeed

no. - Dan Morrill AKA Techwag

it depends on what their blogs are. Blogs are the place to write longer form pieces that simply don't work well in most lifestreaming apps - and I really like longer form pieces. The bitesize chunks in lifestreaming tend to accentuate the superficial too easily. - felix

Until Tumblr came along, there was no distinction about what a blog should be versus a lifestream. Just because a traditonal blog platform isn't necessarily optimized for it doesn't mean a blog on Blogger or WordPress couldn't be used as a lifestream. Really it comes down to what the content is that is being lifestreamed. So if you want to separate them, fine. And if your lifestream is... more... - Jason Clarke from email

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I think most people should. Me for instance, cannot keep my blog updated with any regularity. I guess, in the end that means that blogging (or writing long-form text) was just not my thing. So you are right, that for normal people, who are more "consumers" than "producers", should definitely kill their blogs (I don't know about life-streaming, though) :) - Shivanand Velmurugan

Isn't blogging part of one's lifestream? Lifestream is a sum of your activities. Blogging is one of your activities. - Matt Soreco

I now use my blog to publish new content, lifestreaming for links and personal updates. Makes my life easier. - Tommy Keene

Do both. I agree with feeding your blog (referring to a blog that is about a specific area of expertise) to your lifestream and letting your audience choose which one they would like to follow. It depends if your audience is interested in only your specialized content and not necessary curious about your personal life or opinion on other topics. - Mike Smith

I can't. I have way too much to talk about! :) - SoMuchMoreThanAMom

I hope not - life streams don't have the depth of content that blogs do. It'd be a sad day for the internet if life streams replaced blogs. - Stuart Forsyth

I think it's a sad state of affairs when people want to talk about whether or not they should "life stream." How about just living your life and getting over yourself? - Dawn

Dawn, Lifestreaming isn't always about being a narcissist although many use it that way. It's also about the power of curating the vast content of the web to share with others. And for the record for those that may not have read my post. I disagree with killing your blog. - Mark Krynsky

Mark, ignore that. REALLY. - Kamilah Gill

I only lifestream (through FF). My Friendfeed is also used as the closest thing I have to a regularly updated blog. It's a combo of both, but more lifestream. I want to republish it in paper form. I recently stopped keeping up the paper journals I had written daily for about 15 years in favor of recording everything electronically. Lifestreams probably won't kill blogs. Other stuff will. - Kamilah Gill

I'm one that finds it simpler and less engaging to use a lifestream versus a blog. However, I guess it would also depend on how much content someone actually needs to write. For short submissions lifestreams are great, but I can't imagine trying to frequently read 500+ word posts on FriendFeed. - Xavion Saltair

Xavion, what makes reading a long post in Friendfeed more difficult than on any other platform? - Mike Chelen

No. Some folks like "broadcasting". Others like "publishing". Others like streaming. All converge here. And use varies according to purpose. - andy

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So the person was rude and uncivil in her reaction to her work being distributed. It doesn't justify the relentless perpetuation of the issue for the sake of I don't even know what: enjoyment? Spite? Schadenfreude? Her comments indicate a lack of judgement: the continued response to what she wrote indicates a collective lack of judgement from a section of the FriendFeed community as a whole. Stop it. This isn't the FriendFeed I fell in love with. - Mark Trapp

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I completely missed that yesterday, even though I saw the image over and over again - RAPatton from iPhone

The only problem with your assumption that this type of behavior only occurs on FriendFeed. If that person walked into a party I was at and spoke to Kol in that manner, I would react the same way. Being inflammatory to such an extreme will normally cause such a reaction to come back at you. This applies in real life, of which FriendFeed is just a reflection. - Johnny Worthington

THAT's why that image was on the top of my home feed all day. Was wondering if hide was working or not - /Users/genieyclo

If we were all at a party and she came in and started yelling and screaming at us to stop talking about her car because we think it's cool, you are joking if you don't think that you'd see the same backlash. Some people are taking it too far, yes, but she was outright wrong to act the way she acted. Kindness goes a long way, ya know? - Mike VanLare (slayerboy)

Also too, a lot of people telling you that you are wrong on the facts you present isn't a mob... it usually means you're just wrong... - Johnny Worthington

I'm curious Mark, what would have been the right approach in your opinion? - Bwana

Mark, please don't try to defend that idiot. There was a range of responses, just like in the real world and, in my opinion, better responses than the average that you would find on most of the internet. Some people got nasty back at her, some people chose to repost that [tacky] image perhaps out of spite or as a protest of freedom, or to show the dummy that it's not possible to just... more... - Kamilah Gill

Others took something more like your approach. They tried to be helpful, civil, maybe even took her side to some extent. Even Kol himself was far more civil toward her than she deserved. So no, I can't see that we're any sort of mob for this. Anyone who thinks so is over-sensitive and willfully ignoring the larger picture. I do see that you said "a section of the FriendFeed community". I don't even think you can necessarily group them all together. They all probably had different reasons to repost. - Kamilah Gill

And okay, now a meme has been spawned because of this. It's not just FF's fault. We're free individuals. You and I won't participate (though I think it's slightly humorous. It's also belaboring the point and dragging it beyond its level of importance, but I think your post may have spurred on this extended reaction). It would be one thing if she asked nicely and we still reacted in nasty ways. *That's* a mob. She didn't ask nicely. - Kamilah Gill

I agree that some of the people reposting the picture and attacking are being petty and childish (and - don't tell - i unsubbed from those. Don't have time for 8 year old "grownups") - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

Joelle, they'll probably see you saying that you unsubscribed here. I really think that's an overreaction. We're under no obligation to protect the sensitive feelings of some stranger online. This is how the internet works. Had she asked nicely, it would have been a different story, and then Kol and all the others *might* have been at fault. Please don't unsub from me over this. I never reposted or even liked that image, I just don't really agree with you. - Kamilah Gill

But it was interesting to see how the FF group here attempted (and succeeded in some ways) to set up a social norm, Kol for what ever he did helped establish a social norm by holding out for an apology before take down. That is what makes it interesting, while the next person who comes though claiming that someone stole their work, that social norm (be nice, apologize if being rude,... more... - Dan Morrill AKA Techwag

Some of the negociation was indeed a good example, but people posting caricatures and post-a-caption and reusing the image willy nilly dont have any excuse. That's not an impressive thing from a crowd dynamics point of view, it's a child-mob-bullying behaviour. - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

@Joelle - agree on the mobbing viewpoint - but... (of course right?) when Kol set out to get an apology before take down - he was defining a behavior that he found acceptable. People were either for or against that stand. Bad language, and the rate that the thread grew was going to attract trolls along the way who were equally as unrestrained with their language as V from DA. - Dan Morrill AKA Techwag

Very true - Kol did nothing wrong in posting the image (except perhaps not entering license and copyright info when submitting to visualise.us) and after he was insulted I totally understand his stance "of course I will respect your wishes as a copyright owner once you respect me and speak civilly" - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

I think Dan is making a very good point here. Shouting like the girl was doing is asking for certain reactions, but it appeared that everybody was behaving quite decent (to my humble opinion) and tried to explain her how the internet is working. I'd say the conversation about it could have stopped earlier, but yeah, not everybody is online at the same moment and everyone wants his thing... more... - Ton Zijp

I definitely think there is a marked difference between Kol's initial reaction to the takedown and the resulting flamewar + "meme" that occurred afterwards. After a few people chimed in to defend Kol, it stopped being a normal response to an angry person online and the mob mentality took over. Heck, when I disagreed with the licensing line that someone kept copying and pasting over and... more... - Mark Trapp

Rightly or wrongly I thought to take some positives out of all this, so I tried to explain the situation to the user, I wanted an apology for the completely unjust abusive comments and now I'm just awaiting a response from FF regarding whether they can remove the image but keep the rest of the entry intact for reference. I respect the user's request to remove it from FF and... more... - Kol Tregaskes

The appropriate response, I think, was what Kol initially did: try to talk calmly to a person. It's understandable that, in a public space, everyone's got to chime in with their two cents (I know I did). But the perpetuation of the issue with the level of pure contempt and glee people had with the resulting meme was insane. If you want a real-life example: that's the difference between throwing an asshole out of a bar and forming a mob to storm the castle. - Mark Trapp

Kol: there's a difference between trying to argue for fair use/licensing rights or trying to get an apology for an offense and what happened afterwards. When she didn't conform to the expected behavior, mob justice took over and completely disregarded any form of civility: people seemed to be out to make sure she's set up as an example. That's not normal: that's something 4chan does.... more... - Mark Trapp

I don't really see a castle that's being stormed. I see it as having Kol's back. When someone comes in here attacking him like that when he's polite, well, I'm going to go with Kol. Especially when the license is creative commons and there is no reason to be angry about a thumbnail being shared. This was saying "back off, you're wrong", not attacking an English castle and burning it to the ground. - Jordan Hofker

Agree Mark, I didn't like the gang-up that happened afterwards either. 4chan? - Kol Tregaskes

She has a right to *ask* for her photo to be removed, that's fine in any circumstance but I personally don't believe she has the right to abuse me or anyone else to such a level (and vice versa). Maybe I'm wrong but that's that way I've been brought up - to be kind and helpful to all and to except it in return. :-) - Kol Tregaskes

Kol, I don't think anyone is asserting her right to be offensive: she clearly doesn't have that right. But regardless of what she did, the ensuing response was way beyond an appropriate one. Just because one person acted wrongly doesn't give free license for everyone else to do the same. Two wrongs don't make a right, even on the internet. - Mark Trapp

Exactly, Mark. It works both ways. - Kol Tregaskes

FF has not been, and never will be, another 4chan, unless you subscribe to and pay attention to 4chan-ish individuals. You can't block and hide and mold your viewing experience in 4chan, can you? Or am I wrong? I don't agree with this attempting to make rules for everyone. Express your opinion, fine. Some people will listen, many won't. Just don't expect us all to act the same way. That's reality. That's life. - Kamilah Gill

I think when you have any group or community attacked by an outsider you will get some degree of closing ranks. The downside is, I agree, the appearance of some unsavoury behaviour but most of the responses were not that unsavoury and just showed the existence of a community made by many different individuals who react in different ways. If Kol had received no support at all it would have been more worrying. Also the issue of sharing is much of what FF is all about so it touched a nerve with many people. - M F

The one thing that (perhaps) no-one noticed is that English is not Verothika first language and this fact gets overlooked almost always. Especially here in the US everyone assumes that everyone has a perfect grasp of the English language. And I have worked for a client in Poland (and other places in Central Europe) and when things are difficult to understand the way they express... more... - Rene Wirtz

I noticed that to Rene; she is a 20 year old Polish girl who may not haves good grasp of english - RAPatton from iPhone

Her grasp was good enough to use unsavory words towards Kol and Kol's mom, just sayin'. - Jordan Hofker

RAPatton, Rene, I think "are you fucvking retarded? remove it now! Its for Deviantart.com members ONLY you asshole!!!!" - not much dependent on good grasp of English. I completely disagree with people who then responded in kind by calling her a "dumb cunt" and the like but she was not exactly being subtle here. - Kamath (नमः)

Jordan - that is incorrect. If you look at film and TV programs, especially action/police/thriller/grown up series - which is where she is likely to have gotten her vocabulary, you will notice that the language is one normal english speakers do not use in normal conversation - but how are foreigners to know that these films use slang and strong language as a way to "tag" their... more... - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

I'm liking this post for the great discussion going on. I saw the 'meme' on Sunday and traced it back to Kol's first post. It was crazy there for a while but I only hope that 1) Velonka learned more abt how the web works and 2) Kol doesn't have to take his post down. At the core, Kol did nothing wrong. - Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕ from BuddyFeed

You are dead on with your original post and first comment Mark. (haven't read this whole thread yet) - Lindsey is Fierce!

Joelle, I read what she wrote, and her grasp was certainly good enough to use those words. I looked at the TV shows she lists as enjoying and they don't use that kind of language in nearly all of them. I think we'd be wrong to automatically assume that she doesn't have a "good enough" grasp of English, especially considering she (apparently) hasn't only lived in Poland. - Jordan Hofker

@Joelle: you are correct. And in any case, what words do you usually learn first in another language?! It is always the swear words. - Rene Wirtz

@Jordan: with jumping to conclusions, I'd venture a guess that she works in the hotel industry in Ireland. The hotels in the UK and Ireland are effectively run by Polish and Russian immigrants, so you can see how she could get away with living in another country by only speaking the bare minimum amount of English. - Rene Wirtz

Stop this, you're going to give Arrington more "death threats." - Clark the Kittensquisher from iPhone

@Jordan: and here's another thing you may or may not know. TV series in the US are censored for language; those same shows in the rest of the world, or at least in Europe, are not censored for language. - Rene Wirtz

Mobs can be formed anywhere. Bigger mobs can be found at reddit and digg than FriendFeed. I've seen mobs on Flickr, slashdot, boingboing, blogs, etc. Online mobs exist anywhere large groups of people communicate. The targeting of FF specifically as somehow unique to mob mentality is an overreaction. In this case, the artist was rude first and so people responded. Personally I'd think she should have tried to be nicer when objecting to the use of her image. Missed most of this yesterday. - Thomas Hawk

Yes, she certainly could have tried being nice :D - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

Thomas Hawk: +1 - Edward Coffey

One day people are going to understand that when you give nasty, you can receive a much bigger nasty. The girl was rude. I do not even excuse English as a second language; I have studied other languages and learned profanity in those languages without using it on someone I don't know. This always pointing fingers at FriendFeed as a mob site is really getting old and not any more intelligent. - MiniMage (FakeLifePerson)

Justice based on "eye for an eye" has been rejected by nearly all civilizations for a couple thousand years because it doesn't work: it merely escalates problems. That is, if you get me, I'm going to get you back harder to make you learn, and then in turn you retaliate towards me for harming you. To quote Ghandi, "an eye for an eye will make the whole world blind." Functioning societies... more... - Mark Trapp

Totally missed this, except for Mark's post here. And the original thread is gone. Must have been quite a slam fest. - Hutch Carpenter

Hutch: It actually wasn't a slam fest, just an opportunity for people to pretend it was. http://friendfeed.com/rickcog... - MiniMage (FakeLifePerson)

I think Mark's final point above is key: Friendfeed has an opportunity to rise above this kind of behavior. While Thomas is correct, and a mob can form anywhere online, we should know better around here. I believe folks should think twice about what Mark is saying and consider taking it to heart. - Jason Wehmhoener

I'm still missing the part where this vast mob amassed, descended upon her and tore her to shreds. - MiniMage (FakeLifePerson)

Hutch, I actually pulled up the thread shortly before it got deleted. I didn't cringe much, but mostly because I see the sort of pile-on there on a regular basis and I guess I'm numb to it. The girl reacted very badly and irrationally, and a couple hundred comments called her out for that. I'll probably save this and post it to my blog if I get the gumption to actually write this up. - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins

Alright, so here's my question: every time someone gets corrected by a lot of people, is that supposed to be considered a mobbing? I was under the impression that a lot of people had to be nasty for there to be a real mob. They let her know that her actions were ridiculous, sure, and some people were as mean as she was, but I am not one to call a hundred dissenting voices a mob (I think Arrington is, though). - MiniMage (FakeLifePerson)

The difference is, she was way out of line. She was a month late. Acted like a twelve year old. Wrote like a six year old. She was even wrong, the license said it was shareable. He liked it on Deviant Art itself, so it was "intended for Deviant art users." He wasn't profiting from the photo either. This woman was obviously stupid, and deserved whatever she had coming to her. This is the Internet for Christ's sake,... not a mob. - Clark the Kittensquisher

Agree about the eye for an eye quote, Mark. It's not needed. I was thrown some pretty nasty abuse from this user right from the straight but never retaliated. Of course others did. The support was most welcome and I thank everyone for that but, to me, revenge is weak and shouldn't be accepted... anywhere. Everyone is feel to express their opinions but its the way you express them that's important. Sure, we should have told the user the problem but it didn't need the foul language. - Kol Tregaskes

Anyway, my entry is now deleted (though would have like to have kept the comments) and my bookmark has been removed from vis. so case closed for me. Hope everyone else can please join me? :-) - Kol Tregaskes

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Friend Feed dump of:This argument is an important and illustrative one, so I screen-dumped it for posterity. Kol favorited it on a site which was then pulled into FriendFeed. The author went off about the usage, despite her listing the photo originally with a Creative Commons license that allowed such usage. Hilarity ensued. --Rick Cogley - Dan Morrill AKA Techwag

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This is going to make an interesting blog entry Kol - very interesting to watch. - Dan Morrill AKA Techwag

Holger has already posted an entry here, Dan: http://ff.im/4UEOa :-) - Kol Tregaskes

@Kol - awesome thanks! Checking it out now. :-) - Dan Morrill AKA Techwag

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From the page: "Here's how it started. On June 2, 2009, Hal Turner, a radio talk show host considered by civil rights organizations to be a white supremacist, wrote on his blog that three named Federal Appeals Court judges, who upheld a handgun ban, deserved to die. The addresses, phone numbers, and work place locations were given to the reader. "These judges deserve to die. . . ." "Observe the Constitution or die," he wrote. He never said he would kill the judges and never attempted to. When arrested, he had a shotgun, 3 handguns and 150 hollow point bullets. He claimed to have a permit for the guns, but the bullets are illegal. He was brought to court in an orange jumpsuit, handcuffs and shackles. Bail was set at $200,000 -- he is in a Newark jail." - Dan Morrill AKA Techwag

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"It's not elegant and it's not sexy – it looks like a large photocopier – but the Espresso Book Machine is being billed as the biggest change for the literary world since Gutenberg invented the printing press more than 500 years ago and made the mass production of books possible. Launching today at Blackwell's Charing Cross Road branch in London, the machine prints and binds books on demand in five minutes, while customers wait. Signalling the end, says Blackwell, to the frustration of being told by a bookseller that a title is out of print, or not in stock, the Espresso offers access to almost half a million books, from a facsimile of Lewis Carroll's original manuscript for Alice in Wonderland to Mrs Beeton's Book of Needlework. [...]" - ianf ⌘ from Bookmarklet

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Right now these machines cost a bundle, but, with economies of scale, can "One Hour Bookstores" be far behind? Goodbye print-on-demand, welcome print-on-a-whimsy cottage industry! - ianf ⌘

The great question is why order from Amazon, when you could pop in and have it made up for you, whilst you wait. - David Bausola

Perhaps. It rather depends on the range (breadth) of genres and back-order titles in each venue. Traditional publishing is in many senses a license to print money, and so the industry isn't too keen on giving it up. If "Expressoed" copies turn out to be as costly as traditional ones, prospective buyers may opt for better "offline" quality from the big A. Then again, they may not... book... more... - ianf ⌘

Amazon has been using print-on-demand at their processing centers for a while to handle low-volume titles, the logical next step is for it to move out even closer to the end users. Its very similar to the fax machine actually: initially FedEx installed fax machines at their local offices and offered fax as a premium service, sending the fax across the country to the nearest FedEx office... more... - DGentry

Denton, indeed. Thus on-demand is not a product; imagine the use case: I'm about to take a journey. book a flight, it's long haul, so I order a book (profile & recommendations); the book stand at the airport prints it up for me ready for collection on the way through to departure lounge (or collect at departure as business service). - David Bausola

moo cards are another example. - David Bausola

Yes, Denton, but there always will be that £175.000 threshold such a machine costs, which will limit frequency of their occurrence. Amazon may yet end up the winner, because of the economies of scale in distrubution, esp. if/ when beleaguered traditionals elect to lower their prices to stay afloat. It's tricky business really. - ianf ⌘

Think of the remix capabilities too. Selection of chapters from different books. Pick and Mix editorial in a book format, lovely. Just in time + bespoke = everyone's happy. - David Bausola

You can dream, David, but this won't be happening for a long time yet. Simple reason, copyrights. As with daily newspapers where you have to buy it all, but nobody expects you to read it cover to cover, so books are largely made up of parts you will read, those that you might, and those you'll perhaps browse through (all too often, I am afraid). Publishers will not permit selling of just some topical chapters of interest to you, you'll have to buy all the "superfluous" ones as well. Alas. - ianf ⌘

Think of it as Tivo for Books. - David Bausola

Bad analogy, also American-parochial one I'm afraid. You do not "subscribe" to chapters of books floating by, you buy a book whether you only intend to read the tasty bits on pages 92-101. - ianf ⌘

I've been playing around with FriendFeed and this http://www.tabbloid.com/, to get nice productions as PDFs. The source of 'content' will depend on the open licence of creative commons BY-SA, and artists are getting to understand that. Stephen Fry on Twitter for example. - David Bausola

Consumption/use habits are based upon what the technology of the time allows/affords. DRM tried to play havoc with the watching experience. - David Bausola

Good concept but, unless you can freely mix-and-match, and you'll never be able to provide just that to general public, a niche product. Even if well executed one, as this seems to me. That said, I dislike PDFs just for the reason that they make potentially dynamic information static, and kowtow to absolute page extent aesthetics even on a screen. - ianf ⌘

kowtow = good word ;-) - David Bausola

Here's an example of what I'm thinking about, or as from the comments "The internet made better by the paper, and now the paper made better by the internet." http://noisydecentgraphics.typepad.com/design... - David Bausola

I've read about these "Things Our Friends Have Written On The Internet 2008" which is a niche product with an enormous production cost-to-distribution ratio. Author never says what they charged for the 1000 numbered copies, but I bet it was a bundle, £39.95? Only when there are fully automated tools to do that (perhaps a suitable application for Wolfram/Alpha?) could this become of use for the public @large... - ianf ⌘

They never charged for the paper - it was an experiment / proof of concept - I've got a copy - it's lovely. Yes, nice inclusion for Alpha. - David Bausola

Nice (badly hidden envy), but it makes it even more of a vanity project. Tried to look it up on ebay (0 items found), and google for a copy for sale, without much success <http://google.com/search...> - ianf ⌘

This is cooler than a kindle - Matthew DeVries

I live VERY CLOSE to this store. If I try it out, I'll take pictures and post! - Zach Landes

Here's a movie of the EBM 2.0 in action <http://www.youtube.com/watch...>. Perhaps, for a change, you should just walk in, cup in hand, and ask for an "Espresso"? (refill optional). Then curse them loudly for misinforming the public (and photograph that instead!) - ianf ⌘

I am actually seriously considering doing that. Good idea, ian - Zach Landes

What would make this a real bonus is when they can come out with the color edition. Ok, so I am thinking comic books here, but what an awesome way for a small comic artist to do on demand comics. - Dan Morrill AKA Techwag

Dan, all dandy, except it won't be happening, not in this iteration of EBM. It's strictly publisher-controlled selective-backlist only, no option to come in from the street with print-ready manuscript in hand and do a small print run. Or, should that eventually be on offer, it will be prohibitively expensive. - ianf ⌘

Hold on, I need to amend the above. In the video at around 50 secs mark, it is claimed that the client CAN upload own file, either electronically or from a CD. That information hasn't been mentioned in any press report about it that I've read - so the EBM can be made to accept non-list matter, but perhaps it is up to the actual machine's owner (in this case either Blackwell's or some... more... - ianf ⌘

Meanwhile, there's a better quality (same as above promotional) video here <http://www.boston.com/video...> and a Boston Globe report of a local Espresso installation says this: »[the bookstore] wanted the new machine to connect the store’s customers to millions of book titles. That part of the business has developed slowly,... more... - ianf ⌘

[^*] an euphemism for "the publishers are demanding extraordinary sums for us making it possible for them to make money off their back catalogs. In effect they want us, the franchiser of the EBM, to commit to sell a minimum # copies/year of each title @ current in-print prices (or some such)." - ianf ⌘

ianf ⌘ - http://blog.newspaperclub.co.uk/ (as mentioned above, it's now in development) - David Bausola

David, thanks for keeping me posted. It's not a light read though, so, before I embark on it later in the week (alas), could you please express it in High-Concept terms, e.g. what [physical size/ quality] "newspapers" you have in mind; and what this your "service to help people make their own newspapers" will be servicing: a single-point electronic drop-off box perhaps for client material - out comes a pack of 20-or-so 16-page tabloid papers prewrapped for dropping off a van at a stand? - ianf ⌘

Hey Ian, It's not my project, I just know the guys behind it. (Sorry for the confusion - I mentioned it above as an example of what I was talking about - the process is dissimilar from Purefold). No idea how it's going to roll out - but it's a fine experiment to follow via their blog. - David Bausola

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True unemployment rate already at 20% - Top Stocks Blog - MSN Money - http://blogs.moneycentral.msn.com/topstoc...

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From the page: "Really, how hard is it to find a job? Was June's horrid numbers, in which 467,000 people lost their jobs compared to 345,000 in May, a one-time fluke? Or does it mean that all those Wall Street economists who believe the economic recovery is starting are dead wrong?" - Dan Morrill AKA Techwag

RAPatton to RAPatton's feed, Comic Book Goodness

BBC NEWS | Middle East | 'Why I created Islamic super heroes' - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2...

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"The creator of a bestselling comic designed to show the world the tolerant and peaceful face of Islam has written an open letter to his young sons explaining how the project grew out of 9/11. In the letter, written for the BBC News website, Kuwaiti psychologist Dr Naif al Mutawa, says his superheroes - inspired by the Koran and known as THE 99 - were designed to "take back Islam" from militants who had taken it hostage. The comics, which now sell about one million copies a month in several languages, are soon to be made into an animated film by Dutch media company Endemol. Early last year, Forbes magazine announced THE 99 were one of the 20 top pop culture trends sweeping the world." - RAPatton from Bookmarklet

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What's funny to me reading this, is that my sis and I just finished writing our Chuck spec, which involves an Iraqi comic book writer. I had no knowledge of this when we wrote the idea...last year. - Shawna Benson

Now you can incorporate it and make it topical. You can also involve a Richard Branson type figure, because his Virgin Comics tried to take the South Asian market. - RAPatton

Awesome! Now the question is can you buy them in America. I have got to hunt these down. - Dan Morrill AKA Techwag

if you go to http://the99.org you can download a PDF of the introductory issue - Nathan Rein

Robert Scoble

Everyone is giving me heck in London about how I'm a FriendFeed cheerleader. Truth is, I don't understand FriendFeed either. Talk to me:

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LOL! A FriendFeed Cheerleader! - Matt

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I don't understand it either - Doubledown_inSL

If you don't understand FriendFeed then I must be really lost - Susan Beebe

Of course these are the same people who told me three years ago "Twitter is lame" so not sure I should listen to them. - Robert Scoble

Robert- what don't you understand? - Brett Kelly

Gimme an F! Gimme an R!.... - Jeremy Brooks

friendfeed will make sense a year from now - Doubledown_inSL

Robert - listen to your gut. :) - Matt

Robert wants to know how to gain 100,000 followers in 3 minutes - Doubledown_inSL

Well that is a bit of a problem, it has a steep learning curve! - TobiasVerhoog.com

Brett: I don't understand how FriendFeed will beat Facebook. ;-) - Robert Scoble

friendfeed's learning curve looks like heaving boobies - Doubledown_inSL

LOL, nice. Easy to beat Facebook. Friendfeed is way safer, and can connect to other services. - Zachary TG

Brett: and I don't understand why being a cheerleader for something is bad, especially when I'm right. - Robert Scoble

And when you shake the iPhone app, it updates! (wait... no... that's not FriendFeed....) - Linda Mills

FriendFeed is like the new geocities - Doubledown_inSL

Does Friendfeed have to beat Facebook? - Kim Landwehr

Anyway, this is what happens when I get drunk with traveling geeks and Paul Carr. :-) - Robert Scoble

Sounds like everyone in London is going to be viewing this conversation soon. So, don't wonder, just look. - Martha

If the web tool is adding value to what you are doing, nothing wrong in being a cheerleader for it - Tejas Patel

London is asleep right now - Doubledown_inSL

Martha: I don't understand how to make Paul Carr understand. :-) - Robert Scoble

Doubledown: London is just getting started right now. - Robert Scoble

Robert, if you were a FriendFeed thought leader we would all cheer. - Dutch Driver

Let's all cheer for Friendfeed. Gooooo Friendfeed! - Asgeir

I don't understand it either, but I still love it. - Oracio

Twitter is lame. FF rocks. - CW™

I really WANT to like friendfeed more, just seems good in theory though - Doubledown_inSL

Oracio: I'd say something sexist right now, but even though I've had too many glasses of wine I won't. - Robert Scoble

Surely cheerleaders don't really understand what they're drawing people's attention to anyway ;-) - Katie Dob from iPod

The only reason I really have a FriendFeed account is to talk to you. Facebook has commoditized just about all the other 'niche social services' into a familiar interface for the masses. So as far as 'friend feeding' is concerned, there's really only one site shaping up to matter the most — and that's Facebook. For that reason, I don't see FriendFeed reaching past the early adopter crowd anytime soon. - Colin Anawaty

I've been trying to figure it out. As a result liking it more. That's normal. - Bob Morse

Robert lets go home , dont drink so much there :-))) - Johni Fisher

Robert: Don't let me stop you. Ha. - Oracio

Look what happened to jaiku, same will happen to Facebook. They will try to become something they will never be or beat, Twitter. - Zachary TG

You could be called worse things than cheerleader! - Rene Wirtz

Hey Robert - need any London restaurant recommendations? - Patrick Jordan

Colin: based on the reactions I've had in London I think the mainstream is coming within six months. This is how people used to treat me when I cheerleaded Twitter. - Robert Scoble

I just love logging on seeing interesting things role before my eyes :) - Asgeir

Patrick: no, we were eating dinner at the top of the BT Tower tonight and it was awesome. Even if I had to take some ribbing about my love of FriendFeed. - Robert Scoble

its a feel good kinda place.... - Bob DeMarco

Friendfeed wont be the shiznit until I can invite all of you into my vampire mob guild - Doubledown_inSL

Patrick: I'll post photos later, gotta go back to the bar cause Rocky is calling me. :-) - Robert Scoble

Bob DeMarco: That could be Friendfeed's slogan. lol - Zachary TG

Robert: perhaps you're right. I like some of FriendFeeds features and they are uniquely different, but is it enough? I'm not convinced... yet. - Colin Anawaty

Its a social data sharing/discovery space to me. - Darren Stuart

London feels good, especially after some wine. :-) - Robert Scoble

Hi everybody, FF newbie doing his first "chat" comment here... cheering since a couple of weeks, though - Fritz Feger

meanwhile....i never saw the comments box move this fast - Bob DeMarco

we're all newbs - Doubledown_inSL

I am not new - Zachary TG

Zachary....i'll share the royalties with you - Bob DeMarco

FriendFeed smells like new car - Doubledown_inSL

FriendFeed is a community. 'Nuff said. - Jorge Escobar

lol. - Zachary TG

Doubledown_inSL: How does it? - Zachary TG

Zachary: thank you, I just passed 43,000 today. Wild. Where did all these nobodies come from? Jorge: shhhh, quiet, you don't want the celebrities to hear you, do you? - Robert Scoble

No idea, Oprah mush have said something. LOL. - Zachary TG

poor me...still in the blue nowhere of freindfeed - Bob DeMarco

HAHA! You do read me, Mr. Scoble ;) - Jorge Escobar

I still don't figure how to find unread comments in between all that masses of text... any hints? - Fritz Feger

Sorry, Operah must have said something - Zachary TG

Feger..just read every fifth one - Bob DeMarco

Love to know how many people on this thread aren't techies. Bet it's close to one. That's counting me. - Jeff Strank

Bob DeMarco: Like that is going to work - Zachary TG

Oprah. Opera. Oprah. Opera. ... I'm confused - Doubledown_inSL

I'm a techie - Zachary TG

hahhaa - Bob DeMarco

Bob, that's what I do, but it's usually the important comments I'm missing by this - Fritz Feger

Just put this convo in its own tab. You do use a tab-enabled browser, right? - Jorge Escobar

Doubledown_inSL: I mean that when Operah said something about Twitter, everyone got a Twitter account - Zachary TG

i'm a non techie...which explains why i am in the blue nowhere of friend feed - Bob DeMarco

Techie too... - Fritz Feger

Who's Operah? - Jorge Escobar

People didn't just join for Oprah, they also joined for her KFC coupon too! - Doubledown_inSL

oprah's big sister - Bob DeMarco

oprah winfrey, sorry, multi-tasking - Zachary TG

Wine... You have not seen the real London before you been to a few bars drinking Stout :)) - Asgeir

this is kinda like Plato in 1974 - Bob DeMarco

Asgeir: we've had stout. We've had whiskey. We've had wine. What else is on the menu? - Robert Scoble

I am using the opera web browser and talking about oprah winfrey. LOL - Zachary TG

No Ale, Robert? - Jorge Escobar

scoble...a few more and you will understand FriendFeed - Bob DeMarco

I'm trying to imagine Robert in a cheerleader dress, that's all I can think right now. - natalia ventre

It connects people who like to talk. LOL. - Zachary TG

why must FriendFeed "beat" Facebook? - Brett Kelly

@Natalia, you already can see him in a surfer suit, no need to imagine - Jorge Escobar

Because it is easy - Zachary TG

Jorge: I have had ale too! And some cider. I'll post photos later and you'll see why this all matters. - Robert Scoble

Zachary...that explains it...nobody likes to listen - Bob DeMarco

That sounds more like it. Welcome to London. - Asgeir

Brett: so that Paul Carr will stop giving me heck about being a FriendFeed cheerleader. - Robert Scoble

LOL - Zachary TG

is this the end? - Bob DeMarco

Friendfed is better then Facebook, and will always be - Zachary TG

yeah..i am in the blue nowhere over there also - Bob DeMarco

Was nice to meet you and Rocky last night Robert. Albeit only for a minute as you were about to leave the bar :) - Simon Wicks

What matters is that I don't have access to your secret room, Robert. I hate it. :) - Jorge Escobar

I want access, he won't let me. LOL - Zachary TG

Bob: hopefully this isn't the end. But if it was the end I wouldn't be posting. My wife would be and it wouldn't be happy. - Robert Scoble

Robert - have Paul ask a question on the site through you and compare it to what he might see if he poses the same question through you on Twitter and Facebook. That might convince him. - Martha

Jorge: have I met you face-to-face? Only people I've met face-to-face get access to @secretscoble. - Robert Scoble

Martha: that's an unfair fight. - Robert Scoble

I know the rules, Robert. Doesn't mean I don't hate it. - Jorge Escobar

scoble...go over to my friendfeed...meet my fact and send me the key - Bob DeMarco

opps face - Bob DeMarco

Robert Scoble: Yes you have. I saw your profile pic, and you follow me on FriendFeed so you have seen my profile pic too. LOL. - Zachary TG

You didn't explain that the fight needed to be fair - just effective. - Martha

I am also a Friendfeed cheerleader :). It simply rocks. Cool features, super stable. It's the best - alfred westerveld

Jorge: you just gotta meet me and buy me a beer. :-) - Robert Scoble

i wanna be a FriendFeed cheerleader - Bob DeMarco

Robert Scoble: Yes you have. I saw your profile pic, and you follow me on FriendFeed so you have seen my profile pic too. LOL. - Zachary TG

Damn. How many have you had Robert? LOL - Jorge Escobar

Zachary...exactly - Bob DeMarco

LOL - Zachary TG

Jorge: I lost count. - Robert Scoble

Twitter is lame... but I still wouldn't listen to them :) - Tim Hoeck

i wish i had a bigger screen like all you techies - Bob DeMarco

I only have three 30" and an iMac with a 24" - Zachary TG

:: Doing hypnosis to Robert :: Tomorrow, when you wake up, you'll remember we met the day before. Snap! - Jorge Escobar

wooooooooooo - Bob DeMarco

Bob: I'm stuck in London with a 15-inch MacBook, no big screen. Jorge: funny! - Robert Scoble

Someone Please make the bad mental image of Scoble in a cheerleader's uniform go away!!! - Sean Reiser

And I haven't had anything to drink - Jorge Escobar

yeah...well i am stuck in delray beach - Bob DeMarco

LOL, I do not even have a laptop, just lots of iMacs. And a crappy netbook. One of the first - Zachary TG

We stopped at 123 comments, lol - Zachary TG

Gooooo FF! Robert is like the captain of the football team here. - Tracy Benham

Robert..do you look like the Hulk when you are drinking? - Bob DeMarco

All the time is more like it, lol - Zachary TG

Robert, indeed it's time to change the avatar - Jorge Escobar

I second the motion - Zachary TG

don't do that...i won't be able to find you..since i can't get in the secret room - Bob DeMarco

lol - Zachary TG

Zachary...do you think if i get a cool image like Robert I could pop out of the blue nowhere? - Bob DeMarco

I think Robert is a goner. He must be snoring, his face in the counter. - Jorge Escobar

Not really. I wouldn't describe his avatar as cool. - Zachary TG

Bob: you don't want to see me angry. You either Jorge. :-) - Robert Scoble

is the ripley guy here yet? - Bob DeMarco

LOL, he forgot about me. LOL - Zachary TG

Any plans for Cambridge? - Philip Baddeley from iPhone

Philip: survival as we punt on the Cam. - Robert Scoble

Oooo... my knees are trembling, Robert. LoL. BTW, you should be Qik'ing this right now. - Jorge Escobar

Yes you should - Zachary TG

Jorge: no we shouldn't. :-) - Robert Scoble

What cell do you have Robert? - Zachary TG

HAHAHA - Jorge Escobar

could be jail - Bob DeMarco

A great time to bond with your community, and you throw it away? - Jorge Escobar

Zachary: in London I'm carrying an iPhone and a Nokia N79. I also have a Palm Pre but it doesn't work here cause Sprint didn't turn on the International plan. - Robert Scoble

This has to bee the fastest amount of comments on any post on Friendfeed - Asgeir

Cool. Too bad I don't have a Palm Pre yet, they aren't in Canada yet. Stupid Bell. - Zachary TG

Jorge: have a beer and bond. Heheh. - Robert Scoble

just shows you what can happen when people get lonely - Bob DeMarco

Will do, after I process all the wine I consumed over the weekend ;) - Jorge Escobar

Bob: I'm not lonely. Just had lots of wine and beer. - Robert Scoble

i meant those of us that are not drinking and in london - Bob DeMarco

How hard is it to get people to visit a website? Like mine - Zachary TG

Bob: that's no excuse. Have a beer and find someone to share it with! - Robert Scoble

Robert, when's the next time you're in NYC? - Jorge Escobar

Jorge: I want to visit again soon. Lots of cool stuff happening in NYC, but not sure when I'll be there next. - Robert Scoble

I'm sorry, London England or London Canada?........ - Zachary TG

London England - Mark

ook - Zachary TG

AKA Best City in the World - Mark

Zachary: come on! Would I really be talking about London, Canada? - Robert Scoble

Aight. I'm right here in Union Square. Have a great time and hopefully we'll meet P2P. - Jorge Escobar

Is that why he is Drunk, because he is in wine countru - Zachary TG

test - Bob DeMarco

Zachary: no wine country around here. Just a great city. - Robert Scoble

London is great at night, but try working there thru the week. AWFUL - Mark

Robery Scoble: Sorry, I live in CANADA. WHAT IS WRONG WITH LONDON, CANADA? - Zachary TG

Be back later, gotta upload photos. - Robert Scoble

The man who tires of London, tires of Life. - Ian May

what the heck..friendfeed through me out - Bob DeMarco

LOL, haha - Zachary TG

Bye all, follow me on Twitter, I'm @ZacharyTG, and go to my tech site, http://whittv.wordpress.com - Zachary TG

Now that was tasteless - Jorge Escobar

I think someone needs to photoshop your icon and change the hulk hands to some green cheerleading pompoms - Tamara

Zach: Plenty wrong with London, Ontario Canada. Its exactly too far from Toronto, Niagara, Windsor and anywhere else you would want to go to do something on a Friday night and get home at a decent hour :) - Luke Kilpatrick

How did this conversation go from FF to alcohol consumption to where the best city in the world is? Ahhh, its because of number 2! Have fun all! :-) - Brandi Madrid

I think this is true - Bruce.D.Stewart

Ian May I love that: he man who tires of London, tires of Life. Very true - Asgeir

It was Samule Johnson who said "When a man is tired of London, he is tired of life" in 1777 - Ian May

Robert, I'm not sure the cheerleader outfit would suit you... :-) Cheers in the UK. - Ken Stewart | ChangeForge

Ken: I can cheer "rah, rah, rah" along with the best of them. :-) - Robert Scoble

You mean that Oprah isn't a web browser named after a web browser? ;) /me ducks - Tyson Key

Scobleizer in Lycra.. .I don't think so :) - Rhys Amos

Mind you, Samuel Johnson seemed to be a man of much higher intellect, than Boris, who is a bumbling, bungling what-ho public schoolboy twat type. - Ian May

I think the little white socks are hot, Robert. - Oldengrey (Jay)

Tyson, LOL! - Ken Stewart | ChangeForge

Pompoms? ;-) - iconic88

Damn I wish I had some pompoms! *giggle* Give me an "F" "F" it again! What's "F F" stand for? FriendFeed! Robert! Those gloves in your avatar should be able to shake things up enough! - Arleen Anderson

FF is cool! - Randy Allen Bishop

It's not a food bank? - John D Reasor

FF has way less spam, and supports actual conversations, choir - Ian Orekondy

+1 Ian. The signal-to-noise ratio is much easier to handle on FF than on other sites. (Yes, @Twitter, we're talking about _you_. Again.) - Bill Sodeman

Bill, yes, for sure! - Myrna

Robert, @secretscoble? Why not just DM. Hey are you going to sleep tonight? - Myrna

Everyday, I discover the power and flexibility of Friendfeed. - ashish damania

Myrna: yes I'm going to sleep now. Enough craziness for one evening. - Robert Scoble

I wouldn't say you were a cheerleader, more a bell ringer for the service - Joe Dawson

Growing up on IRC and AIM, somehow Twitter seemed natural and familiar, while Friendfeed has taken me outside of my comfort zone. Which is exciting! - Mike Chelen

It's kinda weird. So what is Friendfeed about? It seems to me that everyone just subcribes and never does anything else. - Chip

Robert, you're *always* a cheerleader for something. When I first started reading you, it was TabletPC (happy days!). And there's nothing wrong with that - you're a natural enthusiast. The only time it ever gets to be a problem is when you forget that whatever you're being enthusiastic about isn't the right way for everyone. - Ian Betteridge

You are doing with FriendFeed what you do with anything you love, talk about it all the time, get people engaged, then stand back and let them figure out how to use it for themselves. Whats to understand? ^_^ - Dan Morrill AKA Techwag

Great. Now I've got a mental image of Scoble in a short skirt and pedal pushers, carrying pom-pons. (You don't really have the legs for this look, by the way.) - John Craft

John, that's an image I really didn't want at lunch time :) - Ian Betteridge

Oh, those whingeing Poms in ol' Mother England...ignore them and keep on cheerleading. - George Hall (Australia)

How do I block all of John Craft's thoughts from making visuals in my head? :-) - James

LPH™ and his dog P™

[SteroidFeed]: Here is my new way of watching feeds on FriendFeed. I call it SteroidFeed but it is also a "Multi-Talk" style interface ... the file sits locally and allows me to view multiple topics. I've attached a copy of the simple html. Feel free to modify the html but please leave attribution and share your changes. Leave a URL if on Internet.

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Of course, the version I uploaded does not include my own entries but instead has the iPhone entry as an example. My local copy uses "from:lph" so I can see my entries and add comments quickly. (e.g., this comment is added through steroidfeed.html and not through the site. - LPH™ and his dog P™

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If Adrian Veidt had FriendFeed instead of just satellite TV, this is totally how he would have read it. - Andrew C

There is a danger, Chrome has trouble with this many connections to FF. - LPH™ and his dog P™

I borrowed it here, LPH. http://friendfeed.com/louisgr... - Louis Gray

I've changed this file a bit so that a fourth column is available, and this holds a rowspan of my own entries. This makes tracking easier. - LPH™ and his dog P™

I should state that the fourth column is an embed so that I can add comments, photos, files, etc. - That code is similar to the one on my personal blog: http://www.layneheiny.com - LPH™ and his dog P™

SteroidFeed 1.01 is now available: http://friendfeed.com/lph... - LPH™ and his dog P™

Really cool! - matiasjajaja

hey i like this! - Susan Beebe

Have fun Susan - LPH™ and his dog P™ from iPhone

Interesting use of Iframes for this, gonna play with this, really cool LPH and his Dog. Thanks! - Dan Morrill AKA Techwag

Thanks! I'm trying it out now. - Mark Jepsen

Let me know Susan, Mark, and Dan. - LPH™ and his dog P™

Ah! I like. Thanks. - Christopher Carr

You are most welcome Christopher Carr - LPH™ and his dog P™

Trying this on a 1024 x 768 resolution, 12-inch notebook - and it is fine with all four columns. - LPH™ and his dog P™

I dunno about Adrian Veidt; I'm thinking "Elvis's 21st Century TV Room." Now let's get mad about something and shoot out 1/12th of the screen!! - Rich

OK - so are you asking - can I span this across multiple monitors? -- because Elvis used to watch multiple t.v.s at the same time. - LPH™ and his dog P™

(Veidt's TV setup: http://skew.dailyskew.com/uploade... ) - Andrew C

that's great! - P(aper)Doll

Keep it comin' :) - Charlie Anzman

I have made a meme of friendfeed embeds here: http://ff.clipotech.com/ - Svartling

Svartling - yes - your setup is nice. I've gone back and forth between 3 and 4 columns. My desktop setup can handle 4 but the notebook (1024x768) can only handle 3. Therefore, http://www.steroidfeed.com is only sitting at 3 right now. I'm also missing the instructions on how to make changes for anyone not familiar with FF. - LPH™ and his dog P™

Yes I was thinking of make 3 columns but I decided to make it 4 because my web stats shows that most visitors have a resolution at 1024x768 or higher. Maybe I will change to 3 columns. Hmm.. - Svartling

Dan Morrill AKA Techwag

The Top 10 States With Worst Budget Problems - ABC News - http://abcnews.go.com/Busines...

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From the page: "Things are so bad that 48 states addressed or are facing shortfalls in the fiscal year that just started. The total deficit: $166 billion, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. Many states are also already predicting shortfalls next year." - Dan Morrill AKA Techwag

Steve Rubel

Rooting for the CrunchPad - http://www.steverubel.com/rooting...

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Me too - I'm hoping this is a winner - LPH™ and his dog P™

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I am! In fact I was just going to write a comment on Louis' blog about it - Michael Fidler

Has there been any pricing info yet? If the price is right I'd love to have one. - Donald Forth

I'd get one for the wall.. - Bwana

So am I. - Dan Morrill AKA Techwag

Steve: Still trying to sort out on Posterous how you insert an image at the *start* of the post, as you did with this photo of CrunchPad. I can easily add images as attachments, but by default they seem to go at the end of post. Any tips? - Bryan Person

GarbagePad - Ryo

@Bryan, to do so you need to either a) paste in the URL for the image itself or b) if it's attached, edit your post later. - Steve Rubel from email

Dan Morrill AKA Techwag

Amazon.com gets slapped with $119 million tax bill in Japan - TechFlash: Seattle's Technology News Source - http://www.techflash.com/Amazonc...

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From the page: "Amazon.com has been engaged in a well-publicized battle with various states over sales tax issues. Now comes word that the online retail giant is facing a new tax headache in Japan. Japanese tax officials are serving up a $119 million tax bill to an Amazon company for unreported incomes over three years, according to published reports." - Dan Morrill AKA Techwag

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Are You A Helicopter Parent? #parenting - http://www.collegeview.com/admit...

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"Or maybe you’re a Humming Bird Parent. Either way, if you are, you have the distinct ability to hover over your child (or children), overseeing every small developmental detail. Your particular area of expertise is educational opportunities. Those skills emerge with special vigor during your offspring’s later high school years, when the college process looms large." - Shevonne from Bookmarklet

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This is very interesting. The moms I meet here in LA (well, the Valley) are often hoverers and obsess over so much over the slightest thing. When a woman I met found out that Johnnie's birthday was a week away, she asked me what the theme for her party was. I laughed and said that, as the third, her parents said she was lucky to have a cake. The woman looked horrified. - Lis Miller

I used to be a "Helicopter Parent." I used to hover over everything that my children did. I read "Scream-Free Parenting," and I realized what I was doing. I now let them make mistakes and not try to be a perfect parent. - Shevonne

What is amusing to me is seeing helicopter parents when their kids are in college, sometimes parents just need to let go, and understand that Jonny or Jannie didn't get an A because they missed 40% of the class. - Dan Morrill AKA Techwag

Liked for the image. - John

If you talk to someone older about how their kids grew up, you'll be amazed at the difference with what is expected today. Kids used to be left to their own devices a lot more, expected to entertain themselves, take care of themselves, expected to be solid and resilient - nowadays parents are expected to make every minute of their childs day an experience, get everything right and plan... more... - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

@Joelle +++++++ Exactly! I was being asked in February what I was going to do with the kids in the summer. Every parent who came up to me expected me to have every part of their summer scheduled. It was the same with extracurricular activities. I said I only had them in one, and you should have seen the stares I got. I'm glad that I got out of that way of thinking because it makes for spoiled children. - Shevonne

I'm not and I get dirty looks sometimes for not being one. I'm not about to get up and run over every time my kid falls. If my kid doesn't finish her schoolwork, that's on her to accept the consequences. I will guide her sure, but she needs to learn to be self-reliant. I can always tell people whose parents did everything for them or propped them up for doing something basic. - Anika Malone

I used to be when the boy was small but my best friend pulled me aside and had the Come to Baby Jeebus talk. Then she made me "pay" with valuables to fuss over him and that broke me of the last of the habit. He's happier for it. - Kisha from BuddyFeed

Shevonne - if a kid doesn't have some extracurricular here by the time their 6 months, they're definitely deprived;) - Lis Miller

No helicopter parenting here. I may stay close in a new situation where I know he's uneasy, or where I don't know/like/trust the other people who are around, but I'm more than happy to let him discover and explore for himself. Here at home, we have a basic routine to our day so far as meal & nap times go, but I don't schedule activities for him. He'll get that kind of structure one he starts school. I'd rather just let him be for now, if that makes sense. - Mellissa Doyle

@Lis One of the mothers and I were talking about that. When we were young, we were in activities depending on our parents' schedules. Now, our schedules revolve around our child's schedule. I fell for that at first, but took a step back and said "No way!" - Shevonne

I want my kids to have to deal with the consequences of their actions while the consequences are relatively mild. I want them to be sure of their abilities and limitations before they are out on their own. I read an interesting theory that overly protected children were more likely to take unnecessary risks in late adolescence or young adulthood, as they were unable to test the... more... - Heather Solos

FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Opinions wanted (because I'm too lazy to go do the comparison myself): what's your favorite site for maintaining your photos? Not necessarily looking for a professional solution because I'm just not that good, but would like something that has good embeddable widget. Anything other than the usual suspects?

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I'm using myphotoalbum.com http://thewallens.myphotoalbum.com/albums... - Gunny The Fuzzball ™

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I'll stick probably to Picasa in the future, because of integration on our phone :) Plus, I expect that Google will do a one-for-all storage for pics, mail, etc... and I'll have that for everything else. If you aren't afraid of the big G, I think their storage will be the way to go. - Tim Hoeck

problem with the Picasa is the piddly storage and the cost for extra is high compared to other choices. Myphotoalbum is 20 a year for unlimited storage. - Gunny The Fuzzball ™

have you thought of smugmug? - Ryan Gerritsen

I host most of my photos using Gallery and also use Picasa for a subset of photo albums from my Gallery collection. I also post a selection on Flickr. I have a number of friends that use smugmug and seem to like the service. - Imabug

Well, integration with the G1 isn't be a make-or-break for me since most of my G1 photos get mailed into FF and then deleted, so those photos would already appear on the site via a FF embed. This is mainly for photos from the DSLR. I've definitely thought about SmugMug but am leery of the pay-only option when so many others offer a paid upgrade (essentially, a try before you buy). - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Follow-up question: do any of the sites recommended (or not yet recommended) offer a mail-in option? I'd love to be able to email in a zip file and have it uploaded to the site for me (perhaps wishful thinking). - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

I use smugmug and like it very much - J.D. Deutschendorf

myphotoalbum does via email or mms. - Gunny The Fuzzball ™

Is that for all options, Gunny, or only the paid option? - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Not sure /off to investigate - Gunny The Fuzzball ™

looks like the free account has the email upload option too. - Gunny The Fuzzball ™

Thanks for checking, Gunny =) - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

No one said Flickr? Are we avoiding the obvious for a reason? I love Flickr. As far as their service and their features, they're perfect. The only place to be leary of Flickr is in their policies, where they're deleting and destroying pictures and comments for people who violate TOS. But if you're sure your pictures will never approach that line, then Flickr is freakin sweet, and integrates with the G1 very well also. - Matthew DeVries

Posterous is completely free and lets you email images. - ...Vezquex

http://www.flickr.com/photos... And the geotagging integration with the G1 is sweet too. - Matthew DeVries

Nothing is completely free. They may not take your money, but they're making money off your pictures somehow. - Matthew DeVries

I like prefer Picasa because the software is freaking awesome.. it will auto-sync to your picasa account (if you prefer).. it also has upload via email (I don't think zip format .. unsure)... by the way, I am not "disagreeing" with Gunny... I haven't heard of myphotoalbum (maybe its a big site) .. but I prefer to stick with someone I know will be around for the long haul, especially for... more... - Tim Hoeck

I've used Flickr before and personally am not a fan: their uploader takes forever. And like I said, this isn't for photos from the G1 (those come to FF 99% of the time), but from the DSLR. Geotagging is of no interest to me. Vezquex, I've got a Posterous but I don't consider it an option because it's doesn't have album capability (nor does it offer a photograph widget that I am aware of). - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Flickr also accepts camcorder clips from our phone as well. - Matthew DeVries

I'm using Flickr. I was using Picasa, but when I finally had to get more space, they wanted like $80/year. Flickr only charges $24.95/year and this includes unlimited storage of photos and videos. - Shevonne

Smugmug - I am an absolute fanatic about smugmug. - Dan Morrill AKA Techwag

I'm giving a spin to ourdoings with my new G1, I like it organizes photos automatically by date http://ourdoings.com - Jorge Escobar

OurDoings has a slideshow widget. Scroll to the bottom of http://ourdoings.com/jungleg... for an example. It also accepts zip files by email. If you think you'll be doing most of your uploading by email, you can get started by sending an empty message to begin@ourdoings.com with Subject: b - Bruce Lewis

Thanks for the heads up on OurDoings: I've heard of it but had never really looked at it. Accepting zipped email attachments is really a nice feature, but there's no albuming at all? Hmm... - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Yep. Instead of creating an album, you put a headline on (at least) the first day of the events that would comprise the album. It's designed for real life doings, that don't always fit neatly into albums. Disclaimer: I'm biased because I made it. - Bruce Lewis from fftogo

Hey, nothing wrong with having two asses ;-) (sorry, old Saturday Night Live reference). The only reason albuming (or at least, the option to have them) would be a sticking point for me is because I take photos that are related in subject or location but not time. For example: pictures of my tomato plants as they go through various stages of growth. Chronological sorting only would make it neigh on impossible for me to group those photos together. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

You can make a separate ourdoings site for your tomato plants. You just ignore the little paragraph telling you to question whether you really want a separate site because chronology works better than albums for most doings. If you have multiple ourdoings sites, crossposting means just checking one more box. - Bruce Lewis from fftogo

Ahhh, ok. Question then (since I have you here): would cross posting be a viable option from email? I.e. send it to 2 separate OurDoings email address to include it in two different sites? What about organization after the fact: would it be possible to include old photos in a new OurDoings site (say, my azaleas). - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

You can have different email addresses for different ourdoings sites. Organization after the fact is what ourdoings is really about, so definitely old photos are good. The subtle difference between ourdoings and blogs is that the operative date is when the doings happened, not when they were published. - Bruce Lewis from fftogo

Thanks for the details, Bruce. I'm taking a look at all the options given so far (except of course SmugMug, since there's no way for me to try them without purchasing =( ...) - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

I use Flickr. Rocks. If you haven't used the Uploadr recently, there has been much work done on it (it does still have some warts). I personally am using the website one now (it's very capable now). In addition there are about a zillion 3rd party tools that work well w/ Flickr upload API...even if you don't like a particular upload tool, I imagine you can find one you're happy w/. I just email pics and vids from the G1; works fine. - Ken Kennedy

I use Flickr and like the tagging and sharing capabilities. I haven't tried any of the embeddable widgets, though. - John

I've been using flickr for a few years, and while I like the features (even if I don't use 80% of them), the overall quality of the site has gone down since Yahoo bought it. There are times when it just runs SO SLOW. Also, never post a picture of tights, you get put on some kind of pervert watch list, which flickr's staff is apparently completely unable to assist with. - Andrea G

We use the Flickr API for the Antarctic site: http://antarctic.fury.com and my personal photo blog: http://stories.phoenixfeather.net I love my SmugMug, but I use Flickr for most of my everyday things. - Rachel Lea Fox

OurDoings sounds like the simplified solution that would get me taking more pics, but Tina you just made me think a private.room on FF wouldeven do the trick. What do I lose by doing that? - Edward Zwart from Android

You wouldn't lose anything, Edward, other than the ability to create an album type setup (thought it could be hacked in by creating another private room, similar to the OurDoings solution of another site). Also, a private room on FF wouldn't be embeddable onto an external site (the room would have to be public, though you could restrict it to just you being able to post). ETA: also, you'd have to do some CSS magic to make it look right even after the embed. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Edward, the main difference would be that FriendFeed orders items by how hot the conversation is on them, while OurDoings keeps them in order of occurrence. I think the best approach is using both: http://ourdoings.com/ourdoin... - Bruce Lewis from fftogo

Right, thanks u2, gonna try the combo.... I really hope this gets me taking more pics. - Edward Zwart

Flickr no contest. Have images on the Eye-Fi card automatically post photos there as private. It'll automatically create Sets based on the date the photo was taken. From the phone, I have 3 emails addresses set up. One for posting public images, another for private, and another that will create a blog post with the image. For multiple photo attachments, I'm starting to use Posterous but also have it send the images to Flickr. - Rodfather

the ones ive seen the most are (of course) flickr, tumblr, and some yfrog site - Echo Streamer

Not sure if they are still offering it, but when I tried smugmug out they had a free trial period. - Aaron Choate from Nambu

I'm happy with Picasa, but Flickr was great whilst it lasted. I'd return if there wasn't that little problem of needing a Pro account to store more stuff, without the last 190-something items disappearing into the abyss/becoming unavailable. - Tyson Key

I love Picasa - Mike VanLare (slayerboy)

I tried smugmug but found it overly complicated. I have a flickr pro account that I enjoy and the community on flickr is pretty entertaining. - Morgan Collins from BuddyFeed

Just checked out Picasa's cost. The first 1GB is free and 10GB costs $20/yr. 10GB is a buttload of space. Probably 10,000 to15,000 screen sized images (1280x1280). Unless you are uploading full resolution images from your 5D Mkii, I doubt most people would be able to use up 10GB of space. - Jeff P. Henderson

I am using Flickr with the uploader plugin for lightroom. I have a free pro account through my internet provider. I use to use Zooomr but have moved most photos across to Flickr so cant comment on them recently. - CJPhoto

I use Flickr and had used SmugMug until recently. I really don't like Flickr's policies, so I might go back to SmugMug at some point, but I like the community aspect of Flickr. SmugMug are more expensive though. - Rick Cogley

Flickr for me. Great features, good community and options for free and pro accounts. - Kol Tregaskes

I mix it up between Flickr & KodakGallery. My family likes password protected photos, and printing things, so we started at KG early on. Flickr I use for blogging. I kind of hate their interface. But I like having a static link I can refer to, and some of the groups. - anna

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I have 8187 nuclear warheads within range of my city. There are more, secret, warheads--right? - Rishabh Mishra (p248)

Well, they missed the one I've got in my basement. - Wirehead

6223 here. - Alix Whitmire ☂

7228 near seattle, awesome! - Dan Morrill AKA Techwag

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Oops: Teacher Accidentally Gave Self-Made Sex Tape to 5th Graders | CBS News - http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs...

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“A class of fifth graders in California got a shocking crash course on the birds and the bees courtesy of their teacher and an x-rated home video she accidently included in a DVD of classroom memories.” - Anthony Citrano from Bookmarklet

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That certainly would make for a memorable class. - James

Why in the name of insanity and all her whacky nephews did CBS feel the need to include a clip and a screenshot? - Matthew DeVries from fftogo

You really don't know, Matthew? - Vince DeGeorge

LOL! Wonder if it's leaked online? - Matt

@Matt: That's what I'm wondering too. Which parent *cough* father - leaked this on the Internet. - AJ Kohn

Ooops - Dan Morrill AKA Techwag

Whoopsiedaisy ... always check the contents of a disc before handing them out. - Rene Wirtz

ALWAYS CHECK YOUR WORK before handing it in! How many dadgummed times have we heard this from teachers good and bad? - MiniMage (FakeLifePerson)

Oh my. Classy coverage by the local news team as well. - Louis Gray

Parent teacher conferences are going to be interesting for years to come. - AJ Kohn

Note: Don't use school camera for porn. Always separate cam for porn. End of lesson. - Eric @ CS Techcast

wtf - l0ckergn0me

Frankly, I don't understand the whole idea of filming your erotic moments in the first place... - John E. Bredehoft

John: So you can 'enjoy' them later ;) - Matt

The best way to find the video is to do a search for Crystal Defanti on Twitter search, and then make sure the person linking the video follows zero and has only a couple 10s of followers - Matthew DeVries

Yeah, well, while I can appreciate the sentiment, I certainly don't want other people enjoying my private moments later; in other words, they WON'T be filmed! Just a no-brainer for me. YMMV, but you risk sharing that road with unauthorized vehicles. - MiniMage (FakeLifePerson)

Matthew: Your advice didn't work. :( - Matt

I have friends that were two grades younger who borrowed a digital camera from an old teacher of mine when they were in 8th grade. Then they found her naked photos on the camera. She was fired, of course. - Daniel Zarick

I hope she doesn't get fired. I mean, big mistake for sure but ... um, we all have sex. I'd rather they see nudity over violence. - AJ Kohn

Video or it didn't happen. - mike fabio

I'm wondering when the whole video will leak. - Burcu Dogan

it hasn't yet? - anna

@AJ authority figure, trust, all of that. news says she probably won't, though - mjc

@Michael: She made the mistake of splicing this onto a DVD. Outside of that, there's nothing else going on IMO. Did we think she *didn't* have sex before this happened? Or that she's some rarity who takes pictures or video of sexual activity? *shrugs* We just happen to know about her peccadilloes now - nearly everyone has 'em. - AJ Kohn

What AJ said. - Anthony Citrano

Again I lament having clearly attended the wrong schools... - MVB

.... - kang

I disagree with those who think she shouldn't be fired, not because she has sex, or because she made a video, but because of the sheer stupidity of handing it out to students. I wish someone with more experience than me could explain how it is even possible to accidentally include a clip. Does she just have the file on her desktop? Did she not check the DVD before sending it out? This... more... - Andrea G

Well, that's embarrassing. - John

Sad - Dave Q

Why didn't that thing occur to me in 5th grade ? lol - DAL

Kids have sex all the time these days so no one should be upset except the porn companies - Outsanity

LOL - Tyler J. Gillies PhD

wow, career-ending move. - Dead Silence

WOW - Mona Nomura

Permanent fail. There's no escaping this one..EVER - Mo Kargas

How about the Dad in the news video who doesn't know what to tell his kids and is asking for a school counselor's help? Isn't this a situation where parents should step-up and be parents? - Kurt Starnes

5th grade... I'm not really sure whether they are that pure and naive by the time... but certainly some of them having a fun from idiotic adults trying to protect them from something they had been exposed wa-a-a-ay before :) - A.T.

eeeekk - Shevonne

wow - YoYo_P

:D - Valley

WTF? - Tyson Key

I never ever got such cool teachers ;-) - Freddie Benjamin

@Kurt: exactly. too many people have kids but aren't actually acting as parents. this leads to things like wanting laws to make the government do the parenting for them. "What, you mean I have to pay attention to what my kids read/watch/listen to?" okay, i'd better stop before i start here. :P - Dead Silence

What are the fathers saying ? Hummm.. - www.funbyu.com

FAIL - Dobromir Hadzhiev

WIN - Eric Nakagawa

Yuvi

So I'm going to do a startup. And College is getting in the way. UGH.

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So, I wanna do wireframes for my site. BUT NO, I CAN'T DO THAT! Why? I've to re-derive a formula in math. SERIOUSLY? - Yuvi

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You can do both. It sucks. But it can be done. I ran ETS out of my dorm room for many years. - Brandon Mendelson

college > startup - Allen Stern

@Allen: I can't find myself justifying 'college > startup'. Can you gimme a few reasons? - Yuvi

do both, or focus on college for now. but don't quit college. if you ever need it, you'll be sorry you did, and it becomes harder to do as you get older. - Patricia

Dude, I drove myself nuts trying to get a startup going in my senior year. Then I graduated and the next Fall the economy collapsed, but that's irrelevant. Just finish school, trust me. Oh, and don't hire your school friends unless they are co-founders/investors...leads to a lot of drama. - Neal Jansons

A good education is any day better than a startup in the longer run. If you have sights only on short term, college may not make sense. A good education opens up your mind to bigger thing and startup can always be a part of that big thing. The other way around is not possible. - Krishnan Subramanian

"A good education is any day better than a startup in the longer run." Unless you are Bill Gates. - Neal Jansons

I would stick with the education, but I would also find out if someone at the school is willing to mentor you through your startup. Many colleges provide entrepreneurial support, if yours does not, hit me up and I'll help you out. - Dan Morrill AKA Techwag

Dan has a good point. You can take biz classes and network with others who are wanting to go into similar industries as well. - Neal Jansons

I know a ton of people who bypassed college, and then found it really, really hard to go back. In fact, I don't know anyone who rued going to college. In fact, one friend went back to college after being an early Yahoo employee, and it's been kind of sad the amount of "chip on his shoulder" shit he has from avoiding college. I'm in the biz and I love startups and new technology, but I... more... - anna

where withall to start a startup now, I bet those options and interests will expand 10-fold. So give yourself a treat and get an education. More practically, an education can only add to your startup idea. - anna

On an even more practical note, investing in education is the best investment quite literally. It increases your rate. - anna

I wouldn't use Bill Gates as an example. He hires college grads. If he really believed in his path he wouldn't, right? - anna

I did my first business without college. My best friend and I were managers at a bookstore and left and opened our own. 3 years later I went back to college and graduated last year. In retrospect, though the shop survived and is still open now, with a proper education I think we would have been much more prepared out of the gate, made fewer mistakes, and had much fewer hard times. My... more... - Neal Jansons from IM

Yuvi, I won't get into the reasons to stay in college, but if you do leave for a startup, it should be heavily funded so that you have a solid job for a few years. Otherwise, there is too much benefit to the education route. You will need to remember that college/university is more about getting the degree than really learning anything. More important is that you learn how to learn things because there is so much more to learn outside of schooling. - Rob Diana

Yuvi- I was in the EXACT same boat as you all last school year. I am going into my Junior year now and incredibly pleased to have stayed on this path. Instead of ditching college I am investing a lot of time in developing my ideas and work process, as well as getting even more involved in my school and the community than I was. Starting a week from tomorrow I am starting as the... more... - Daniel Zarick

Okay, I was never contemplating leaving College. But that's not because of my education - that was because of the amount of fun I'm having here. I don't know how you guys had it in college, but frankly speaking, the entire system from where I come from is rotten. People pride themselves on memorizing stuff (EVEN CODE!), and expect you to be the same. Yes, I do realize not everybody with me is like that - but the majority (and the people in power) are. (cont) - Yuvi

(cont) It wears you out if you sit in the same room for 7 hours, listening to otherwise really interesting stuff being taught in stupid (and often incorrect (one of my core CS staff still doesn't understand how pointers work)) ways is not, IMO, the best use of my time. Or anybody's time for that matter. I could be actually *learning* new stuff! I could be building new stuff. Coding, designing, talking to real people. Instead, I'm confined in a room and *taught*. (cont) - Yuvi

(cont) And as for the startup - I'll start bunking classes I feel are not necessary. Like the Data Structures class. I writhed around today as I saw 47 students being taught the basic concept of a Linked List with so many errors. The staff couldn't even get a basic 'typedef' in C right. SERIOUSLY? Yes, it might be just that it's my college, but that's all I've got, so I better go do something more productive than just 'get on with it'. - Yuvi

I'm not quitting school. I'm just going to give it as much importance it deserves, which, honestly, I don't think is much. - Yuvi

And by 'college getting in the way', i meant just that - College was making me do useless stuff when I'd rather actually learn/build something. - Yuvi

Yuvi- exactly how you should probably feel. That's what I have ran into too, but with an arts/media/communications school. I suggest trying to find a way to capitalize on the frustrations you have with the school, if possible. What can you offer these students better than the school? Build/create something that will supplement what you aren't learning from the school and teach yourself,... more... - Daniel Zarick

Yuvi- switch schools. - anna

I'm actually also not a fan of CS degrees. I'd go for a liberal arts education. The classes I've been in or CS have been really rote. Or, go to a better school where you can take better math classes, other interests. - anna

@Anna - I can't. I didn't do well enough in the Competitive exams (I got 191/200), so this is the best I get. There are a few that have better academics, but if I go there, I pretty much sign away my freedom. Talking to girls? NO. Mobile Phones? NO. Wanna do anything not related to 'scoring marks'? NO. - Yuvi

@Anna I wanted to major in Statistics. They wouldn't let me - in India, if you get 'good enough' marks, you shouldn't do Arts. You should do engineering! It's a really stupid thing that seems to have caught on with all parents :( - Yuvi

Similar pressure here - become a doctor. One of my close friends was pressured to become a doctor by her parents, and fought with them to do English. Now she's an English prof! - anna

@Anna: Really? I figured people in the US get a lot more freedom to do what they want to? - Yuvi

Get out of the "applied" game. Think - what is the best level of education you can get that will help you think, especially since you're a budding entrepreneur. MBA track? - anna

Yuvi- it depends on your parents/situation. Most of my friends growing up were first-generation and had a lot of pressure to be doctors/lawyers. A LOT OF PRESSURE. - anna

I can't switch. EOD. And no, I don't want an MBA :) - Yuvi

So basically.... I'm stuck here. I can move down, but not up. Atleast, it's better than what some of my friends are caught in. - Yuvi

Yuvi, pressure tends to come from the parents, so that kind of thing is probably universal with some cultural differences. I was in the engineering school because I had no interest in the doctor/lawyer/account paths. Accidentally ended up in a comp sci course and never left. - Rob Diana

Funny, I have a few friends that did comp sci as an escape from EE. - anna

Interesting note on parenting: let your kid pick the major. Geesh! - anna

It's not that I don't like CS. HELL I LOVE CS! Just this particular 'brand' of CS that seems to prevail in India = me no likey :( - Yuvi

the good CS class is rare. I wish I'd gone to MIT... now. At the time, I wanted to be a writer. But now, I'd love all of those classes. Sigh. - anna

@anna They did let me pick. If I wanted Electronics, or IT, or whatever - they'd have let me pick that. BUT IT HAD TO BE IN ENGINEERING :( - Yuvi

Once I told my Dad I was really enjoying the psychoanalytic writers from France, and he blew a gasket. He didn't want me studying psychoanalysis. To this day I have no idea why. - anna

Yuvi, statistics is considered "arts"? That is a damn shame, because that would be an excellent way to go. - Rob Diana

Parents do the weirdest things. My dad doesn't want me listening to Evanescence - I still have no idea why! - Yuvi

Yuvi, do you have access through your institution to a decent reference library with relevant periodicals? If so, take advantage of it, as it is the one thing that becomes prohibitively expensive once you leave the academic environment. - Michael R. Bernstein

They separate it to Arts colleges. Basically, you have 'engineering', 'medical', and 'arts/science' here. 'Arts/Science' group together everything, from Commerce to Accounting to Physics to Chemistry to Statistics to even Maths! - Yuvi

@Micheal: Yeah, they have one. I'm using it pretty well :) - Yuvi

Oh, ok. That is similar to the way most US colleges separate things as well. As usual, people can't get beyond a label and see the reality behind it. - Rob Diana

Yeah. People are the problem :( My parents aren't exactly to blame either - if I had taken Arts, they would've gotten an earful from anyone who had mouth about how they had 'spoilt my life' by letting me take a course that 'wouldn't get him a job'. Sigh. - Yuvi

An engineering degree doesn't necessarily get you a job anymore- flood the market, demand goes down, etc. - anna

And as it happened here - flood the market with engineers who can't 'engineer' stuff, then the value of a real engineering degree goes down. - Yuvi

Yuvi, I wasn't blaming your parents as much as just what tends to happen. My parents did not understand my decision to go into CS because they did not understand computers at all. I was supposed to be a civil engineer, and they liked the idea as they could "understand" that better. - Rob Diana

@Rob: I wasn't either. Just clarifying myself :) - Yuvi

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