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"Dell's Extreme Makeover"- {good video clip of how Dell's moving "beyond the PC" [BusinessWeek] #Dell - http://www.businessweek.com/magazin...
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Why I'm going to Indianapolis this weekend with @rocmanusa :
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http://www.youtube.com/watch... we're hanging out with the Fiat/Yamaha racing team. Motorcyles! Best in the business.
- Robert Scoble
http://www.facebook.com/fiataut... Facebook page
- Robert Scoble
Valentino Rossi rules :)
- Luigi Filograna
http://twitter.com/fiatont... Twitter account.
- Robert Scoble
http://www.flickr.com/photos... Flickr account.
- Robert Scoble
http://friendfeed.com/fiat FriendFeed account!!!
- Robert Scoble
I'm going to rent a big lens again and take lots of pictures.
- Robert Scoble
enjoy!
- Luigi Filograna
We look forward to the Indianapolis w/e!
- Fiat
Luigi: I'm looking forward to it. Dave Winer has been raving about watching Valentino ever since he went when the race was in Monterey.
- Robert Scoble
he is amazing...I'm a Valentino's fan
- Luigi Filograna
In Laguna Seca we had a great time with @davewiner, it will be great @ Indy as well!
- Fiat
Hope you have a good time Robert. It's a shame they couldn't get things sorted out so that F1 could return to Indy. I always wonder how IMS makes any money. It only seems to host 2 or 3 races a year, most big European race circuits host races throughout the year, as well as having 2 or 3 major international events.
- Graeme Shaw
An Indianapolis teaser for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Fiat
I was there with Fiat at Sachsenring MotoGP; Fiat/Yamaha guys are really fantastic, you'll definitely gonna have a good time (and eat good italian food as well).
- ialla
Go Doctor Rossi! Go!
- Stefano Pietroiusti
from twhirl
Valentino Rossi rocks, I love it every time I catch motoGP on eurosport. Hope Rossi wins so you guys can check out one of the greatest guys when it comes to celebrating.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
from iPhone
Get well soon Casey Stoner!
- Matt G
We're looking forward to it Robert, I'll be online (from Italy) with you during qualification and race, just in case. I'm looking forward to follow you.
- Marco Massarotto
ah ah, scoble in love with fiat :)
- Massimo MaxKava Cavazzini
Glad to see you're coming to my neck of the woods, Robert!
- John Fox
Can't wait, we might do a tweetup too, but gotta figure out the schedule first with the Fiat folks.
- Robert Scoble
When will you know your schedule? I'm about 4 hours out in Toledo, probably can't make it, but maybe.
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew: probably not until Thursday night/Friday morning. So it probably will need to be a spur of the moment thing.
- Robert Scoble
Damn. Go find business to conduct in Detroit or Cleveland
- Matthew DeVries
good choice! Rossi rocks!
- George Achillias
Taking my Gene Simmons T with me- ROCK ON Fiat/Yamaha!
- Rocky Barbanica
We probably won't know our full schedule until Friday morning, unfortunately. We are captives of the Fiat/Yamaha racing team.
- Robert Scoble
oh wow...I'm jealous. Looking forward to your pics when you return!
- Tamara
Way to go Rocky! Rock on!!! :-)
- Marco Massarotto
Captives,
- Rocky Barbanica
Captives. Scoble? Maybe - but WAY WILLING CAPTIVES ! Rockin Indy, BABY!!!
- Rocky Barbanica
Dig it Marco!!!
- Rocky Barbanica
wow guys...I'm definitely looking forward to following you during the w/e!! wish you a grrrrreat time ;) (@rocky: your T ROCKS!!!)
- noemigio
No More Perks: Coffee Shops Pull the Plug on Laptop Users - [WSJ.com] - http://online.wsj.com/article...
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Hell hath no fury, eh? ""We had to power down or leave instantly," Ms. Moots wrote in her blog. She left and went to a different cafe, where she later expressed her dismay on the Web. Masoud Soltani, a Cocoa Bar owner, confirms that he sent her a Yelp message: "I remember you very well...I would not think you would write such bad stuff about us." Mr. Soltani says she is no longer welcome in his store."
- Joe Bonner
Where are all these "work nomads" gonna go now? There are very few dedicated co-working spaces.
- Meryn Stol
Looks like the NY Public Library might be an option: http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009...
- Joe Bonner
Could Real Time Information Be An Unfair Advantage? - http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
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Bogus ATMs discovered at Vegas hacker conference - http://features.csmonitor.com/innovat...
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and right outside the security office..bold, baby.
- George Dearing
That's hilarious, provided you're not one of the people who got scammed.
- Bronson Harrington
Posterous adds autoposting to Picasa, Vimeo, Delicious, Friendfeed, YouTube and more. - http://thenextweb.com/2009...
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Don't get me wrong - I love all of this compatibility and how everything works together. However, I am starting to go a little crazy with all of the options one has to share information and distribute it throughout various networks. Do I post to FF then share to Twitter? Do I post on Posterous than share to other networks? But then if I do that how will it effect the comments on the...
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- Mike Bracco
I'm curious as to what Posterous can do that FriendFeed can't. It just looks like another Tumblr to me *shrugs*
- LANjackal
LANjackal: They seek to be the defacto standard of how people share rich media on the web - check out this interview with founders - http://ff.im/4nQqS - it's pretty good. I wish FF gave you the ability to create a FF site with FF as the backend. I wish I could create a site that was essentially just my FF stream where people could interact with my stream in a manner that wasn't a...
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- Mike Bracco
LANjackal: I hear ya :) I don't really use it either. I have an account setup just to play with it but not sure I see it fitting into my workflow/life in anyway. But who knows....I do love the simplicity and strategy of making posting really simple. I think it will be great for the less techno savvy who understand email and all they have to do to make a blog post or photo gallery is send an email to post@posterous.com
- Mike Bracco
Just tried it out, and auto-posting to FriendFeed looks the same as if you import the RSS feed. Personally I would rather FF pull items in, instead of a service pushing to FF.
- Daniel Sims
Why is this better than using Ping.fm and Traffic Geyser/Tubemogul? hmmmm
- dhamza
@dhamza, I doubt anyone would just use Posterous only as a middle-man for posting content to others sites (like you would use ping.fm or pixelpipe). It is a nice feature for auto-sharing your posterous blog posts, without having to use another in-between service.
- Daniel Sims
I seriously don't get the point of tumblr, posterous, *duplicating* data. Just link to the original sites! And I doubly don't get the point of nested tumblr/posterous/etc shares.
- Andrew C
I like Posterous, but haven't found a regular use for it yet (other than storing and organizing my media content). I agree with Mike, though, that it is nice to "own" your information and have it all originate from one source. With the many services out there that pull and aggregate data, Posterous is unique in its pushing abilities. I even think FriendFeed has been changing its focus to be more of the starting point of a conversation than the end.
- Cloud
One thing Posterous can do that FF can't (at the moment) is accept iPhone3G(s) videos via email.
- tollie williams
Daniel Sims, push is faster and more efficient than pull.
- Raphael, Raphael
@Tollie - exactly. They've told me they're working on pushing video to flickr (right now it only pushes photos to flickr)... but I've used it for pushing video to Facebook from the iPhone and it works great.
- Jen (SquirrelGirl)
Posterous is awesome. I have an account but my Blackberry 8330 has no cam :( but once I get the new iPhone expect greatness :)
- Garin Kilpatrick
Eventually, with every social media site pushing updates to every other, somebody is going to break the loop detection and we'll get an infinite number of duplicate posts about somebody's kitteh, causing the interwebz to collapse into a singularity and destroy civilization. Damn cat!
- DGentry
DGentry, agreed. It's going to take some planning now to make sure posts do not get posted in loops.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Isn't this what FF was supposed to be for? I use FF as my central posting for text and websites, and PixelPipe for media (created by me).
- Matthew DeVries
What does suck? Custom bars..... STOP USING CUSTOM BARS INTERNET! THEY SUCK METRIC ASS!
- Matthew DeVries
Been reading a lot about it. Don't have an iphone and it doesn't really provide me anything that I need or already have.
- Bill Kinney
It does seem to be a bit easier to love posterous if you're looking to share iPhone 3GS video with it.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
It's really the posting audio and video from the iPhone (and other mobiles) that I think is interesting. FF should add that feature quickly if they want to become the social MMS to the Twitter social SMS. Having private groups for these personal mobile captured images, audio, and videos is an important feature both FF and Posterous share. Posting to a public YouTube to get your video into FF is far from ideal.
- Chip Ramsey
iPhone video can be shared very easily to FriendFeed via email share@friendfeed.com or upload video to YouTube and be sure you've added your YouTube service to FF and wala you're all set. Posterous does have more sophisticated posting options *hint, hint FF team*
- Susan Beebe
from BuddyFeed
I was under the impression that you could not send videos from the iPhone 3GS to FF and have them display inline. I guess I will have to test the functionality when my 3GS arrives. I understand the YouTube route, but want to keep my family videos, etc. in a private group. I don't think most people want to be spammed by videos of my son doing the robot as he slides down his new slide or my daughter singing like a bizarro Mariah Carey. I could make a private Posterous, but would prefer to keep it in FF.
- Chip Ramsey
I like Posterous I really do but I've yet to find the problem it solves. My primary output comes via my blog, misc content via Tumblr, and Friendfeed for most everything else. Posterous doesn't really offer much that I need right now. If I didn't have a blog or tumlbr it would be a good fit I guess.
- Keith - @tsudo
The biggest benefit that I can see at the moment is mobile posting. Posterus makes it drop dead simple to upload to anywhere/everywhere remotely. Updating a blog, twitter, flickr, etc, etc, via one email post makes Posterus a very shiny (if not quite silver, yet) bullet for mobile users.
- Kevin Donahue
Interesting ... gonna sign up now.
- Amani
Posterous is the best, simply put.
- "Jazzperous" Isaksson
Gives new meaning to "drive through" - http://www.scottwilderweb.com/gives-n...
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- Scott Wilder
from Posterous
Retweet @AmyJane You know you're going to get the worst margarita of your life when the server asks if you want whipped cream on it.
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(unopened) - http://criggo.com/2009...
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hahaha!
- Anne Bouey
LOL!
- TheHenry
nice barter
- Deep Moni Hazarika
from twhirl
I like Oreos. Makes sense to me!
- Bradley Farless
sounds fair to me. i would have held out for the fudge covered type, but that's just me.
- Morgan Haley
That's the worse deal on EARTH
- Matt Ruiz
Did someone pay money to run this ad?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
"Ok, everything looks good and - HEY! One of these Double-Stuffed Oreo bags is OPEN! WTF! Give me back my older clothes dryer! To think I trusted you!!!"
- Bryan Zirkel
Fwd: whack a kitty - http://www.twitpic.com/ajlya (via http://friendfeed.com/funny-p...)
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Outstanding.
- Bwana ☠
tap a kitty
- W_B_K
I just had to click like. I don't know why.
- Robert Scoble
LOL, so cute.
- Zachary TG
There's one thing NO ONE is talking about in terms of #twittergate (the role of the SUL in pressure on @techcrunch). Will discuss here:
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TechCrunch is on Twitter's Suggested User List. They have been gifted about 880,000 followers by being on that list, AKA "SUL". That's worth a lot of money.
- Robert Scoble
SUL?
- iconic88
SUL? Sulfuric acid?
- Richard
So what are you saying? That they shouldn't leak the docs because they got a lot of followers from Twitter?
- Dare Obasanjo
That they leaked the docs to become more popular on twitter?
- Tyler Hurst
the point most people are missing is that TechCrunch states they have spoken with Twitter. I am sure Twitter execs know what's coming and are prepared
- Kevin
brave new world...
- Bill Kinney
Wouldn't you think the <800k SUL-generated followers would have made @arrington LESS likely to publish the docs?
- Tom Guarriello
Dare: I bet that Twitter is threatening Mike with getting kicked off.
- Robert Scoble
Here is a link to a post of a dozen screenshots of Twitters admin panels http://www.nowhereelse.fr/admin-t... "There are 187 featured SUL Uusers"
- Mark
Tom: it's gotta be one consideration Mike is considering.
- Robert Scoble
Techcrunch did mention in one of their posts that Twitter is generating a lot of traffic for them. So the SUL does work for them. And it works for twitter as they stop TC from posting the documents
- Sidharth Dassani
Sure, Robert. But he's pushed it this far despite the SUL factor.
- Tom Guarriello
SUL = Suggested User List
- Manuel Arroyo
I bet that twitter prefers this to leak on techcrunch where Mike can spin some stories for them than to see the zip file with the docs appearing on a torrent site !
- Eschnou
wikileaks maybe?
- Mark
So twitter kicks arrington off. does he publish the docs? does that help him?
- Tyler Hurst
If Twitter kicks him off get ready for a big time firestorm! (Just mistyped: "firestory"!)
- Tom Guarriello
Tom: Mike is a journalist. He also says that someone else will publish them, so might as well tell everyone that these things are knocking around in public.
- Robert Scoble
Even without the suggested users list, TechCrunch must be weighing the cost of enmity with the most popular startup in the Valley right now. Don't they write like 3 Twitter stories a day? What happens if Twitter stops talking to them and takes all their press communications to Mashable (who are already beginning to kick TechCrunch's butt with their social media savviness?
- Dare Obasanjo
Robert - Arrington is NOT a journalist. Journalists check sources. Process journalism is NOT real journalism. He's a writer.
- Tyler Hurst
How did Arrington not check his sources? He confirmed they are real docs
- Kevin
Yes, read all his rationale. Seems sincere in trying to separate juiciest from items he considers newsworthy. BTW, I do believe he is a journalist.
- Tom Guarriello
Which would they kick? Him with ~8K followers? Not TC with ~1million followers.
- Mike Shea
Kevin - not just this article. did you see his article on how the free google apps was gone when it was just a page layout change?
- Tyler Hurst
Tyler: I've been in the hotel room watching as Arrington checked his sources on a story. You're wrong on that one.
- Robert Scoble
Mike: almost all of TechCrunch's followers were gifted to him by TechCrunch (same with Mashable, by the way). Before the Suggested Users List came along both had fewer followers than me, Leo Laporte, and a couple of others. Being on the SUL is worth lots of money (I believe it's worth millions, if you stay on it for a few years).
- Robert Scoble
Tom - these are stolen documents. What does his rationale matter at this point?
- Tyler Hurst
Dare: yes, I'm sure Mike is considering all the consequences. Also, if these documents really do exist someone will publish them. When I quit Microsoft I told 15 people and I didn't even know the guy who leaked my story.
- Robert Scoble
For the record, so far, I have not been given the Twitter documents.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble - so why doesn't Twitter just publish them? Get ahead of any new site?
- Tyler Hurst
Tyler: journalists have printed stolen stuff that's newsworthy in the past.
- Robert Scoble
Tyler: I don't know, but I bet that Twitter does not want these released.
- Robert Scoble
Tyler - So were the Pentagon Papers.
- Tom Guarriello
Tyler: I wonder, if I did have them, and I talked with @ev, would he offer to put me on the SUL in return for not publishing the documents?
- Robert Scoble
Scoble - are they newsworthy because they're stolen or newsworthy because they're juicy? What good does this do?
- Tyler Hurst
Scoble - now that's a damn good question about SUL.
- Tyler Hurst
No journalist should have accepted to be on the SUL and at least at this moment ask that they be taken off.
- Stephen Pickering
Dare, to answer your original question, the SUL is a gift worth hundreds of thousands of dollars, maybe even millions. Jason Calacanis has already set the price at $250,000. So, the SUL is, in effect, a bribe that can be used to keep journalists/bloggers/twitterers in line. If you had a gift in your hand worth hundreds of thousands of dollars you would think twice before turning that gift away. I know I would.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I'd say no to that, @ev knows that those docs are out there now anyway. If you were the only with them (hypothetically speaking), then he might have. But he'd probably equate it to extortion. Would you really want that?
- Mike Shea
I think twitter could just delete the techcrunch account if it wants to make a point. SUL removal wouldn't do much as they already have a lot of followers from it.
- Darren Stuart
Stephen: that is a very difficult ethical position to arrive at, especially if your competitors are also on the SUL (Mashable is on the SUL right now).
- Robert Scoble
Darren: wrong. If you remove yourself from the SUL you immediately start losing followers and start falling behind your competitors.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble - so you're saying that blackmail is okay as long as it benefits you?
- Tyler Hurst
Darren: in the race for advertising and PR and all that being at the top of the follower list gets you all sorts of goodies. http://www.wefollow.com for instance displays people in order of the number of the followers.
- Robert Scoble
How did the valuation for getting on the SUL end up being done? Is there a dollar value per follower based on link click throughs + ad clickthroughs?
- Dare Obasanjo
No one in the TC office yet, according to CrunchCam. Probably all sleeping. Boy today is going to be a busy day for them.
- Mark
Tyler: no. I'm not saying that. I'm hoping that if I am in any of these positions that I would take the high road. But living on the high road is very difficult.
- Robert Scoble
Dare: I used to help run a magazine with 100,000 subscribers that made millions in revenue every year.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble - That's the answer I'd expect from you. Journalists ALWAYS take the high road.
- Tyler Hurst
Dare: you could use a CPM (advertising fee per 1000 viewers) of $5 and come up with some sort of valuation.
- Robert Scoble
You can't objectively report on a company who is paying you directly and for that matter its impossible to also be a journalist and the owner of the news organization. In the past there's always suppossed to have been a firewall between content and the business side. But that's out the window. Notice all the puff pieces about bing on the NYtimes. Hmmmm, I wonder if that could be all the advertising dollars? Hmmmmmm
- Stephen Pickering
Tyler: journalists don't always take the high road. There are several New York Times journalists on the SUL if I remember right.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble - I wouldn't say the NYT is a leader in journalistic ethics anymore, either.
- Tyler Hurst
Wise words from @arrington "News is stuff someone doesn’t want you to write. The rest is advertising."
- Mark
Stephen: exactly. Money does cause news organizations to carefully consider their coverage, even those who say it doesn't and that have a "Chinese firewall" between editorial and advertising.
- Robert Scoble
No one is in this tight economy its all about $$$$$$$$$$$$
- Stephen Pickering
Mark - BS. he publishes rumors too.
- Tyler Hurst
Stephen: if I had the documents I'd have to consider its impact on my employer, Rackspace. That's why I disclose all my conflicts of interest.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble - do you believe Arrington's claim that he just received these documents?
- Tyler Hurst
Robert: Trick is to take the employer out of the equation. What would you do if you were on your own?
- Mike Shea
Robert: good points, are techcrunch going to publish the stories is the question now? I think twitter is at a point now where it does not matter if techcrunch start a war with them if they were to just ban all techcrunch and employee accounts.
- Darren Stuart
There's no better publicity than bad publicity. Just remember that. Remember the whole Ashton and CNN thing? That turned out to be backed by twitter and created HUGE publicity for them. Something doesn't smell right. Not saying all bad publicity is good for both parties, but in a situation like this, it's plausible that both Ev/twitter and Mike/TC are just laughing their asses off as the publicity pulls in more page views
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
Mike is not a journalist. He is a self-confessed showboater.
- Mark Littlewood
Mike - so much for the honesty, transparency and authenticity we hoped social media and such would provide. A new ruling class has just replaced the old one.
- Tyler Hurst
Tyler: yes, I do believe Arrington.
- Robert Scoble
Does twitter go after the hacker?
- Tyler Hurst
Tyler, especially with the whole mob thing and FF. Something is up here. Of course, I could be completely off my rocker and it's all just one big coincidence and Mike really is that much of a pompous ass.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
The twit poll on the issue from TC http://twtpoll.com/2a1oiv showed an overwhelming stance from the community that posting the information is unethical. It might be better for TC to let someone else (Mashable) post the information, resulting in removal from a SUL and gaining both ethical rapport with the community and an edge over competition. This is one story that would be rough to break, why is that only TC has the information so far? That is the more alarming concern.
- thestaticfrost
Well so far all he has posted about is the Twitter Reality TV pitch. So I suppose there is a chance Twitter convinces him to not post anything else. In my mind it would look bad if he backs down now given the perception of the SUL.
- Kevin Whalen
Mark: Mashable won't publish these either. They have benefited from the SUL a lot more than Arrington has.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, interesting POV, I would still personally stand down on the issue.
- thestaticfrost
ethics a side I think its a case of - if SUL pageviews > estimated story pageviews then do not publish
- Darren Stuart
Mark: on the SUL? Yeah, but the SUL is interesting and won't stop being interesting just because I stop writing about it. There are rafts of new journalistic text books being written because of it.
- Robert Scoble
The more I think about this...the more it seems plausible that twitter has been doing stuff behind closed doors to generate publicity. Who's heard of twitter going after ANY hacker? Why is it only TC that this email was sent to? If a hacker REALLY had this info, wouldn't they do something a bit less obvious? Like I dunno...sell the stuff? Which brings up another question....how much did TC pay for this info? I guess if TC continues to be on the SUL we'll know the answer.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
Mike: what would I do if I were on my own? I'm biased toward publishing, but I need to know the facts first before I really could say one way or the other.
- Robert Scoble
To put it in reverse, maybe if you got the documents you could give them back to Twitter in exchange for getting on the SUL. :)
- Louis Gray
Mike: it's possible that the hacker works for TechCrunch or has a business relationship with TechCrunch. Mike has built a good network of people who offer him news before anyone else. The thing is now Mike has access to internal info at Twitter that will be hard to avoid in interviews with Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Mike/Robert: If a less reputable blogger/company had this information, it would already have been posted and this conversation would be moving another direction. The pageviews would trump any SUL.
- thestaticfrost
mark - what a crappy way to make a name for yourself. publishing stolen documents to serve the public good is one thing, publishing as a smear campaign is wrong.
- Tyler Hurst
Mark: I don't believe that's true. Remember, TechCrunch only had about 50,000 followers on Twitter before being added to the SUL. I seriously doubt one story would get them more than 100,000, even if it was the most interesting, sexy story around.
- Robert Scoble
Tyler, it would be an awful way to make a name for yourself, I agree but that is not the issue.
- thestaticfrost
Louis: word gets around when you extort companies. It's not a good thing and almost always comes back on you eventually as the people involved move to other companies and spread the news around.
- Robert Scoble
Louis: if I had the documents I wouldn't use them as extortion for that reason. I know one guy who extorted a company and I'll always remember that.
- Robert Scoble
Tyler, if TechCrunch was doing it as a smear campaign they would publish a lot more of the documents and have started off with something other that a softball.
- Matthew McCowan
Arrington is getting it both ways here. He writes about it to say they're not going to post the most juicy stuff but he still gets most of the benefits of posting everything. A lot of people are talking about it. He's a master hypeologist.
- Justin Whittaker
Matthew - that was in reference to a small blogger grabbing the documents and throwing them all out there.
- Tyler Hurst
Justin: that is accurate about Arrington.
- Robert Scoble
Tyler, oh gotcha - sorry
- Matthew McCowan
Freaking Kelso is on the suggested users list, Arrington has 800K subscribers, hooray how many tweets fall silent in the Twitter forest. Much ado about nothing and the SUL.
- Patrick Boegel
Matthew - no, techcrunch is doing it for the page views, of course.
- Tyler Hurst
Robert, interesting tie of numbers into the SUL growth of TC. Perhaps there is an exorbitant value of the SUL, this story would just be pennies in comparison. I see no feasible monetary gain available for TC to violate this ethical issue.
- thestaticfrost
Patrick: even if you aren't on the SUL most of your followers aren't listening. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I'm sick of being monetized into the services I use.. It's almost enough to make me stop it all altogether.
- John Blanton
John - stuff has to get paid for.
- Tyler Hurst
Says John as he drinks a $4 latte from Starbucks.
- Robert Scoble
"I'm sick of being monetized into the services I use." - Then turn off the TV and radio, don't buy any newspapers or magazines, or look at any ad-supported web sites. It's the way of the world.
- John Craft
Stupid posh coffee. Normal coffee, with milk, please.
- Mark
I guess I'm not seeing how the SUL status of TC is factoring. TC is going ahead and publishing the information they deem to be part of their news mission. Is the insinuation that if SUL status were not a factor, that TC would publish the entirety of the documents without culling non-TC mission-related information?
- Matthew DeVries
that is what I mean Robert, I follow you for interesting information, not because someone suggested it, sure there are people who sign on for Twitter and just follow a host of the suggested users I guess, but I just see zero value in that, there is nothing organic in it, so it does not bother me, I am pretty sure the likes of Tech Crunch and Mashable have each questioned whether being on there has hurt or helped. Followers and fans is pretty "loose" terminology, and a metric that gets dicey after some time.
- Patrick Boegel
I fully agree with the premise that SUL-Status is a COI consideration.
- Matthew DeVries
Patrick: Arrington tells me that being on the SUL has brought them audience and, therefore, money.
- Robert Scoble
I don't have a problem with Techcrunch releasing the articles they are, however don't say they are doing in for public interest. They are doing it for Techcrunch interest, nothing wrong with that, but lets be honest.
- Kim Landwehr
Right now the man with all the answers is fast asleep in his bed, dreaming of world domination
- Mark
Kim - yep.
- Tyler Hurst
Matthew: pat of the "Mission" of a business is never to shoot yourself in the foot.
- thestaticfrost
Can we just ignore the people who claim SUL status is not of value? It's like arguing with flat-eatherers at this point. Just accept it as fact and let's discuss how this value is affecting TC's behavior here.
- Matthew DeVries
Robert: This is what happened when the lovely Veronica Belmont finally responded to my questions regarding the number of 'bots' following those on the SUL :http://ff.im/57MjU
- Jim Connolly
I'd like to see an estimate of the ROI of being on the SUL. Different for everyone, but it can be modeled. Would bring an interesting new perspective into the discussion.
- Peter Kim
Matthew - the only debate of SUL value would be total worth, not if it has a worth.
- Tyler Hurst
If I could offer you hundreds of thousands of extra hits on your website a year, for FREE, would you accept?
- Mark
Mark: there is no such thing as a free lunch.
- Robert Scoble
Nothing is ever free.
- thestaticfrost
But that's a debate for a different thread. We're in the midst of a real time story right now, and we should be discussing how that thing of value is affecting TC's reporting of a story. I would contend it's not, as TC is going ahead and publishing the documents, without regard for loss of SUL-Status.
- Matthew DeVries
hehe
- Mark
What if Twitter is using their influence at TechCrunch, to manage the delivery of this 'story?' Better that, than someone publish the story, with a negative spin.
- Jim Connolly
Matthew: how do you know it's not? Mike has already said he's talking with Twitter and he hasn't published the information. So, he gets best of both worlds. Gets credit for having the info, and now has inside access that no one else has. The SUL might never have even come up (I doubt it has, actually) but now we're wondering what kind of deal they made.
- Robert Scoble
That would be a good point, Jim, but what I've read from Arrington is that they're publishing the documents that relate to their news mission.
- Matthew DeVries
here is a link to a story that deals with Arringtons "wise words" http://ff.im/5g6LJ
- Marco
Matthew: yes, which leads me to think that he made a deal with Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
TC has not let the cat out yet, no reason to believe that it will. They made it past the first hour of having the information which is most crucial to it being fully released.
- thestaticfrost
Robert - I agree that is a realistic concern, but I would reserve judgement until the story rolls.
- Matthew DeVries
Good point Jim. That TC story was actually Incredibly measured. Not like arrington at all. Hmmmmm....
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
Matthew: I'm not judging, just bringing up the potential conflicts of interest to discuss them. I don't see anyone judging here yet.
- Robert Scoble
I agree with Arrington's assertion that publishing what kind of panties @ev's wife wears would not be within TC's news mission.
- Matthew DeVries
Correct. You're not judging. Just trying to stem the mob till they have a true target.
- Matthew DeVries
Robert: In your experience, would Michael Arrington NORMALLY be this careful about drip feeding a story, so as NOT to offend the person / company featured in the story?
- Jim Connolly
And Robert: your points here SHOULD be in the front of everyone's mind when they do roll the story.
- Matthew DeVries
I may be naive here, but I also think any Twitter-directed communication regarding the release should be disclosed by Arrington when the story rolls, else he's not a reporter, he's a shill.
- Matthew DeVries
Jim: Twitter is the story of the year. So, yes, he's being more careful here than he otherwise would. And, if these documents were stolen, he's also a lawyer and is being careful to make sure he stays on the legal side of the line. I would be very careful with this story too. I have a different conflict of interest, though, which is that I'm an employee of Rackspace and would have to consider the impact of such a story on my company.
- Robert Scoble
Let's be clear if Techcrunch has the information, so does someone else. The information is going to get out. Techcrunch maybe releasing the story slowly to maintain the interest. My guess is they are getting a lot more hits with this story then they would normally
- Kim Landwehr
Matthew: I like to pretend I live in a dream world sometimes too, but I don't. I doubt we'll hear what was actually said back and forth in an off-the-record conversation. If i were Ev the first thing I would have said is "this is an off the record conversation, right?" And then if Arrington repeated it he would lose status too, because sources wouldn't trust him to talk openly.
- Robert Scoble
Kim: if other people have the story they will publish it all at once. So doing a slow rollout would actually be stupid. I bet no one else has the story, yet.
- Robert Scoble
I don't see them on the twitter SUL
- Orli Yakuel
Ok, going too lunch. This will probably outpace me too far to catch up. Not ducking direct questions to me.
- Matthew DeVries
Orli: see who?
- Robert Scoble
Orli: if you are already following TechCrunch and Mashable they won't appear on the SUL, you've gotta check with an account that isn't following them.
- Robert Scoble
oh, silly me. I remember that list before BTW, it's just got HUGE. who's checking there anyway?
- Orli Yakuel
Orli: most new users of Twitter get shown the list and get the option to follow everyone on it.
- Robert Scoble
It looks like some of the same information is being released on a French Web site per bizjournal
- Kim Landwehr
Sorry if this is a repeat, I haven't managed to read every single comment... @techcrunch didn't even publish these docs first; why are they taking all the heat? This was the first place I saw it - http://bit.ly/10FySf
- Kenton
um.
- Orli Yakuel
Kenton: Because Arrington himself said he would publish them. Arrington is a joke and far from a true journalist.
- John Fox
John: I disagree with you about Arrington. But so far nothing is that interesting in what the French site has published. So I'm wondering what the big deal is? Maybe Arrington knows that there's no real news value in what was gained, so he is making lemonade out of lemons? The real story here is that Google's security measures were overcome, so this is a cautionary tale about putting private info into the cloud.
- Robert Scoble
I totally agree about your cloud comment Robert. This should be a lesson to everyone who's jumping on the bandwagon without thinking about the risks.
- Kenton
Here's another post from Business Insider. Now that the docs have been published, everyone can link ethically, even though the info was stolen. Ahh, I love the journalism business sometimes. http://www.businessinsider.com/twitter...
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I don't see where the educational part of the content is that he's going to publish. What will be gained except corporate secrets and Twitter's dirty laundry? If this was a major corporation, he'd an injunction would be in effect right now. Yes, shame on Twitter for putting that kind of information in the cloud without adequate security, but then again, Arrington doesn't need to take advantage of the situation for notariety alone. That's a poor ethical standard.
- John Fox
John: Arrington gets the best of both worlds. He gets credit for thinking through the publishing of this info, while other people do the dirty work. See http://www.businessinsider.com/twitter... Why didn't Arrington just publish? Well, the SUL is one potential reason. Are there others? Did @ev give him an exclusive? Or some other reason not to publish? We'll never know.
- Robert Scoble
Arrington is definitely doing some back dealing which quite frankly makes him lose credibility.
- Kevin Whalen
from email
I think by the time Arrington wakes up (lazy bastard) he will have been Scooped by other websites
- Mark
Mark: already has been: http://www.businessinsider.com/twitter...
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I don't doubt that Arrington walked a fine line, thinking through the publishing of the info. I don't fault him for that. As a tech writer myself, I know there are certain things that will get you sued in a heartbeat. However, I don't see what Arrington has to gain from this other than notariety and to get TC's name out there even more. This is a tainted story from the start....
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- John Fox
Ok question, are we mad at Techcrunch ie Arrington, because he published only part of the information or that he publish the information at all or that he said he would publish it and didn't?
- Kim Landwehr
I'm not saying it's okay to publish ill-gotten confidential material but people would be less tempted to do so if Twitter were more transparent and less secretive. For a social network, they have a real 1.0 social media philosophy. Even Facebook reveals information about their userbase and growth. But Twitter is like a black box as the #fixreplies disaster revealed. And since that hashtag dropped off the Trending Topics, we've never heard any more about their proposed solution.
- Liz
The lack of democracy on the SUL is one of the most disturbing aspects of Twitter. It pushes Twitter towards an echo chamber since new people just follow the same old people. There needs to be some serious rotation.
- Trent Hamm
Didn't Kevin Rose design an enhanced SUL for Twitter? Where people who identify themself with a tag tell you who they follow with that tag?
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew: yes, Rose runs http://www.wefollow.com -- the problem is that most people on the home page and at the top of most lists are on Twitter's SUL.
- Robert Scoble
Just logged into twitter and a big red box tells me my account is suspensed for strange activity. Hmm
- Mark
But I can still post. Hmm
- Mark
I am reading that thousands of twitter accounts have been wrongly suspended due to "human error". Has anyone heard anything?
- Mark
he sees to have delisons of Grandure Murdoch gets away with hacking becasue of his power and the willingness of cronys to take the fall and the plod to turn a blind eye - he still needs to mak the public interest defence which he has not
- Maurice Walshe
Twitter's response: http://blog.twitter.com
- Liz
Judging by Liz's link, looks like Twitter chose to play cards in public and Twitter just won. Talking about "The underware drawer" analogy flat out says the documents are gossip and not a story. This makes TechCrunch look like a gossip rag. Twitter also focused on their users and their security- the Ace of Spades. Bravo.
- E-Advocate Network
Calling TechCrunch a journalistic entity is an extreme stretch of the imagination, as the vast majority of their blogs are opinion totally devoid of fact. TechCrunch has found that "ethical line" Arrington mentioned, and tripped right over it, falling face first into the sewer. Indeed, TechCrunch's true colors have now revealed just how much of a gossip rag they are, totally lacking in...
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- jcunwired
I was wrongly suspended along with 9 others months ago. It was a terrible experience.
- DaveDelaney.ME
my question for mr. scoble is, if the same documents landed in your inbox would you have done the same thing?
- Tobias Lewsadder
poop
- Jacob
Just curious about something. Earlier I tried following Techcrunch on Twitter and found I was blocked, supposedly "at the request of the user." Since I don't remember saying a bad word about Techcrunch or Michael (as Robert can attest from discussions in the past couple of months, I've usually defended Arrington on a few things), I'm wondering if the block was TechCrunch's doing or Twitter's.
- George Hall (Australia)
Visa cardholder charged $23 quadrillion for a pack of smokes: http://www.google.com/hostedn...
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This is why I gave up smoking... the cost goes up all the time! ;)
- John Fox
Twitter is not the one that s going to suffer most from this story. Cloud computing startups are going to suffer WAY more
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Not just startups. The stuff was on Google, remember?
- Robert Scoble
SaaS /Cloud computing is always at risk with this paradigm
- Peter Dawson
correct. Google will be on that list too, but they have the back to resist. And the perception out of this story is that "cloud computing" is not safe. Startups will suffer way more. no?
- Ouriel Ohayon
from email
Ouriel: no computing is totally safe. Remember all the laptops that get stolen with private details and emails on them? Or did you remember all the crashes we lived through in the 1990s? That didn't slow down personal computers either. This is just a reminder to people to practice safe computing. Most of us don't know how to pick passwords and how to keep people from guessing them.
- Robert Scoble
Ouriel , agreed.. the perception of cloud computing = not safe will grow !
- Peter Dawson
i agree. there is some kind of paranoia on the cloud. but it is much easier to hack a physical machine. just like it is easier to hack a real credit card vs a paypal account. but again it is all a question of perception. the reality does not count much here
- Ouriel Ohayon
from email
I remember when Steve Wozniak told me his wife's thesis paper was lost on an Apple II. Did that stop Apple? No. This won't stop cloud computing, either, but will make people more skeptical, and, really, is that a bad thing?
- Robert Scoble
It would be interesting to find out how this hack actually took place. I'm not a proponent of cloud computing by any means, however, this could have been as simple as @ev using a weak password. Everyone thinks that it's a bigger deal because it was Google. If his password was 12345, it wouldn't matter where it was stored.
- Kenton
from fftogo
I Want You to Follow My Husband on Twitter - http://lslinks.laughingsquid.com/i-want-...
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"Official" IPhone tethering from AT&T at $55/month !? - http://appmodo.com/1432...
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EXCLUSIVE: We originally brought you the story last month stating MMS and tethering would be coming in July. AT&T responded directly to our story and stated it would be delayed. Well those stories are true as MMS and tethering are now coming in September. The controversy over tethering pricing remains the same. Tethering for iPhone will cost $55 on top of the current iPhone data plans. MMS will be included with the current text messaging plans. There you have it folks. Comments
- Bwana ☠
This is an absolute joke. AT&T is just trying to get out of the fact that the data plan is "unlimited" and doesn't want you using it as a modem on their network.
- John Fox
booooooo
- Alfredo
Oh hell no.
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
The only plus point (if there is one) is that it sounds like it's unlimited. O2 are charging £15 for 3Gb in the UK.
- Andy Bold
AT&T can go blow themselves for 55 a month.
- Geoff Schultz
no i think they're going to cap it without telling you
- Alfredo
AT&T can go jump off a bridge.
- Kevin Whalen
$55 for tethering? That would be the sucker tax for those not willing to jailbreak. No way.
- Christian Burns
from iPhone
Is there still the MMS hack that let's you have MMS RIGHT NOW?
- Andru Edwards
@Andru Yes there is. I'm using SwirlyMMS app for MMS but there are hacks that enable 3.0 native Messages app to handle MMS as well as SMS
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
Holy cow. When I finally get a phone with a data plan I'll be switching carriers to someone who allows free tethering
- Aaron
This will definately make the top story on my Mac After Dark netcast tonight. If anyone's interested in listing in, it starts at 9pm Eastern on http://live.newmediaindy.com
- John Fox
Are you sure it won't be $55 total, including the iPhone data plan? $55 on top of the plan seems excessive when all other tethering plans include on-phone data
- Sparky
Christian: True, but if AT&T catches you, they'll cancel your contract and hit you with fees.
- John Fox
Why would I pay $55/mo for tether my iPhone when I could use Verizon Mobile Broadband for about the same price. Better coverage, faster network, and I'm not draining my phone's battery.
- Matt Pfefferle
If I'm reading right, they charge $60 for their other smartphone+data plans (not including the cost of voice and texts), so $55 on top of the existing iPhone dataplan would be outrageous. $55 total would be a bit of a break.
- Erik S
Another reason my iPhone is jailbroken with PDANET installed. terrible.
- Wayne Sutton
lame
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
It's very hard to believe they would charge over $30
- Rodfather
if it's $55 on top of the unlim. data plan, that is completely ridiculous and not fair to iPhone users. i have a Nokia N96 on AT&T and am tethering w the unlimited data plan. no extra cost except for buying a premium app that does the dirty work- in which the $ did not go to AT&T's punk asses.
- Jim Halligan @jim
*fires up free PDANet for Android...begins browsing*
- Christopher A Carr
55 a month? That's a big fat hairy no.
- Mike Lewis
GTFOH.
- Mark Krynsky
Tethering in Canada on Rogers is currently included in data plans over 1GB but they are going to review it Dec 31. I get their max data plan (6GB) for an additional $30 and will be livid if they add additional charges. That said, tethering is incredibly easy/quick and I'm loving it.
- Andrew Smith
I call BS on this one. No-one will buy it at $55. iPhone users aren't that desperate.
- andrei_c
Make the money while the novelty is there? If they were going to charge, it should have been less
- Charlie Anzman
$55 per month! After you already pay so much for the iPhone? What a rip off.
- Thomas Hawk
This whole business about charging for tethering when you almost always are all ready paying for unlimited data really sticks in my craw.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
100 essential skills for geeks: http://om.ly/track/404.html AC
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Palm Pre hacked and running on Verizon - http://www.engadget.com/2009...
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It's not the fabled GSM Pre, but PreCentral forum member Cleanser has apparently managed to unlock his Pre's CDMA radio and get voice and SMS service on Verizon -- data's still a no-go, but he's working on it. Other devices have been flashed between the networks for years, so we've no doubt that this is possible, but we doubt it'll ever be super-easy -- according to Cleanser, the hardest part was getting someone to add his device's MEID to the system, and that's always gonna be tough, regardless of VZW's big talk about open network access. Still, it's heartening to see a webOS device on another carrier -- Palm, you want to maybe do this up official sometime? Video after the break. [Via PreCentral] Continue reading Palm Pre hacked and running on Verizon Filed under: Cellphones Palm Pre hacked and running on Verizon originally appeared on Engadget on Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:55:00 EST. Please see our terms for use of feeds. Read | Permalink | Email this | Comments
- Bwana ☠
A Day in the Life of a Twintern: Meet the recent college grad who tweets for Pizza Hut [Slate] {tweets not monitored, interesting} - http://www.thebigmoney.com/article...
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Can't wait 'till the textbook model dies // good to see so many players trying to kill it - http://www.mediapost.com/publica...
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IAC's Diller & Liberty's Malone Pessimistic on Twitter [WSJ] {there's lots of corps besides twitter that haven't monetized..geez} - http://blogs.wsj.com/digits...
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"Malone said he didn’t think that an advertising model made sense on Twitter, but there was some hope for a subscription model. “Sooner or later people will be willing to pay for these services,” he said. Warren Buffett privately told him that he would pay $5 a month for YouTube, he added."
- George Dearing
from Bookmarklet
I'd pay $5 a month to get rid of the stupid 10 minute limit on videos, but wouldn't pay $5 a month to simply access youtube.
- alphaxion
Twitter will not make it's money on either an advertising or subscription model. It should be making it's money with offering increased features for business/end users for a fee. That way marketing becomes something truely valuable as an opt in service, the way marketing should be run in the 21st century. That's the problem with old media - they just don't get it. They're trying to force old school methods on a new age system and it's just not going to work. Not on Twitter anyway.
- John Fox
good observation John..what type of features? I think "packaged data mining" stuff when I hear your thoughts.
- George Dearing
George: Not exactly sure of the feature set. Something along the lines where people can opt into special mailing lists in exchange for special discounts on services. The system to put this in place would be offered by Twitter for a monthly or annual fee payable by the business. This way everyone has something to gain. If businesses follow the addage of true community and true marketing...
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- John Fox
As I mentioned in this article a while back http://www.alphaxion.com/... I still see a lot of potential in selling in-house versions of twitter that could be used as a messaging backbone within a company intranet. Sell an extra federation license to the public twitter network and you have a potential for many things. Imagine a change control system that would issue a public tweet...
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- alphaxion
If Twitter would just shut it's substanceless ass down they wouldn't have to worry about losing so much money anymore.
- Brad Williamson
Brad: What makes you think it's substanceless?
- John Fox
@John Maaaaaan... I could rant for years about how awkward and substanceless that platform is. Granted, I realize that, right now, it's a great real-time search engine, but I'm CERTAIN someone is gonna come along and trump Twitter at that real soon.
- Brad Williamson
Brad: Do you have anyone in mind for the title of Supreme Ruler of The Interwebs?
- John Fox
You can have a thousand people subscribe to your FriendFeed and no one actually reading it. I often wonder how many of the 1,600 people that subscribe to me, actually see my feed. I'm thinking far fewer than 10%.
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I think the opposite is a better question. If you follow 1600, what percent of the posts do you read?
- Jeremy Malin
I happen to read this one :). But yeah it's easy to miss things. Only a very small percentage of posts get bubbled up and these are all the posts people read when they go to Friendfeed
- Andre P. Siregar
Jeremy: Good point. I use groups and tend to dip into and out of them. Timing is key.
- Jim Connolly
Andre: Yes, if a 'popular' FriendFeed user comments on your feed, it makes a huge difference.
- Jim Connolly
Yes, the numbers are small unless you get engagement, then it goes way up.
- Robert Scoble
Good point Mr Scoble!
- Jim Connolly
so active reader is the key
- kang
kang: yes, because if your item gets likes or comments that item gets shown to all of that user's followers, which is how your item will get a large audience.
- Robert Scoble
lack of a decent desktop/iphone client doesn't help either.
- Shivanand Velmurugan
The moment I entered, I happened to read this one! Random reads are best sometimes...
- ilaxi
Also, if Scoble comments, you get a lot of eyeballs :) (which is how I noticed this, yup I have a separate group called "Scobles", which has 2 ppl in it)
- Shivanand Velmurugan
This thread had not had a comment for ages, til Scoble commented.
- Jim Connolly
We should get Scoble and Dave Winer to stop using twitter and FF for 2 weeks, and see what happens to the traffic stats :)
- Shivanand Velmurugan
Jim: the thing is it was on the top of my browser when I first signed in this morning. So someone clicking like or commenting got it on my radar screen.
- Robert Scoble
I think FF is based on "word-of-mouth" or "likes", which probably is the only way posts get noticed (atleast if one follows >50 ppl). Lists help to track specific persons, but ultimately, it's likes that determines how much attention a specific post gets.The amount of data to process is still quite enormous. It would really kewl, if FF can pick 20 items that are most relevant (based on social data) to me in the last 24 hours.
- Shivanand Velmurugan
Likes are certainly a MASSIVE part of gaining people's attention here.
- Jim Connolly
Actually, that is the very same question I'm asking right now. How do you view Friendfeed feeds Jim?
- nesh thompson
Native posts are important also. One of the reasons many initially get no engagement is the result of a conditioned FF community bored with posting responses to Twitter entries which never seem to be read by the originating user. If I want to engage and I suspect others do this also, I usually look for the threads of native users.
- Eric Logan
It would be cool if we could have Google Analytics support on FriendFeed so we could measure traffic from Google and all thing else.
- Svartling
Eric - I agree. Many people use FF purely as a place to 'dump' crap from Twitter / blip / facebook etc.
- Jim Connolly
As FriendFeed gets more crowded, even people with lots of followers need to follow my advice for finding their audience. That is, wait for the conversation that your post would be helpful for, and then help it. Like you said, timing is key. Details at http://ourdoings.com/ourdoin...
- Bruce Lewis
I agree with Scoble. Friendfeed is all about engagement. Some people follow others just to "have them on their list" but they could care less what you have to say 90% of the time.. To me, that is purpose defeating on a service like Twitter or Friendfeed. It's all about engagement and community.
- John Fox
John, if I could care less what someone has to say 90% of the time, I probably wouldn't follow them. I'd follow someone who tends to 'Like' the same 10% I do. For a long time I didn't follow Robert Scoble until one day I went into his feed and saw some things I liked that nobody else 'Liked'.
- Bruce Lewis
Bruce: I did say "some people". My statement doesn't apply to everyone, obviously.
- John Fox
I'd say many folks hop in at specific windows of time (like myself). You made it to my superhuman filter list so I'm much more likely to see what you posted, or at least scan the titles.
- Mark Essel
I read you everyday Jim
- Wayne Dibert
Ah, right. Apologies, John.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
After 3 hours of posting my initial message here, there has been 13 'likes' and 19 comments (including my own) from 1,600 subscribers. I find that interesting.
- Jim Connolly
Well, Jim, timing is a huge part of it. This post was made at 4:30 EDT, which means the bulk of the US wasn't awake (or, at least not FFing) to see it. Assuming your subscriber distribution is similar to the FF user distribution, taking out the entire US population from your readership is going to decrease the overall % of people that see the post.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Jim, I've also seen your comment,but as I have nothing futher to add to what has already been said,I have left it be.
- Paul Downing
Bruce: No problem. That's what 'Net communites are all about - expressing opinions and ideas.
- John Fox
I think Jeremy has the right idea. I see many of these "marketing" gurus "following" thousands of people. I wonder what their stream looks like. I'd prefer to engage a few hundred than blast to thousands.
- Keith Beucler
Wayne: Thanks!
- Jim Connolly
Nesh: I started off by subscribing to Robert Scoble, as we have many similar interests. Then, I found people in Scobles stream who were really interesting, so I subscribed to their feeds. Pretty soon I was following some really interesting people. I LOVE FriendFeed - I just do!
- Jim Connolly
Tina: As usual, you make a great point. My tech news blog's readership is mainly American & because I mention FF so often there, I have quite a few US based FF buddies. I try & take that into account when posting on the blog AND here on FF too.
- Jim Connolly
I love the fact you can customize friendfeed in this way, so I can read the feeds I want in the way I want to. Power to the user :) On Twitter, you do think that more people would be reading the message? I doubt it.
- Asgeir
FF is massively more configurable than Twitter. This thread could not have happened on Twitter.
- Jim Connolly
I suppose you could give a virtual treat to your audience that pays attention. Like a high five, a Scoble beer, or the like. I'm happy with quality information and a genuine viewpoint/perspective. I'm working on automating my serendipitous search with semantic tools and superhuman filters.
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
I love friendfeed because I don't subscribe to you and I still saw this. And it's worth seeing.
- Bill Kinney
Bill: You make a good point. By following what our friends are commenting on and liking, we get to discover interesting resources / people.
- Jim Connolly
Easy to answer Jim. I have about 1300 (+300 blocked). I interact with around 50 in total, 4-5 per day. I have 'followers' in all timezones, so at most I have 20-30 people really reading my tweets all the time for sure. Why? because they click on my links. How I know? Post a TwitPic and see the count how many clicked on it. :-) If I can have 1 person to learn from or make 1 person smile - I feel good.
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
I do
- atanas
I have put some thoughts about this here: http://bit.ly/CrMGM -- this was a post that I had waited to write a long time.
- Jorge Escobar
Agreement here... IMO "real time" has made things more so.... timing more important, participation by popular users more important. Most stuff floats down the RT stream unnoticed, right into the bit bucket.
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
I always wonder that. No one ever comments on my crap. Then again, I probably have too much noise. Oh well - I use friendfeed more to comment on other people's stuff.
- George Smith
you must not be interesting. like me. :-)
- Matt Soreco
Well, everybody that answered doesn't add up to 10% but I think it partially answers your question :)
- Bogdan Costea
I came, I saw, I read. I commented.
- Mark "DerBingle" J
This happens in Twitter too. But People still have conversation here
- Michael_techie
Engagement and participation... I think you can give more and receive more here because of the expanded conversation. People will follow you here because they are interested in what you have to say/offer. It will be interesting to see where your FF is in the coming months : )
- Mark Harai
Hey, I'm just joining the conversation - what was it again?
- Neil Ashworth
Soon you'll be able to buy any top-level domain you want. Don't do it - http://www.slate.com/id...
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In 1996, Microsoft bought the domain Slate.com from a guy named John Slate. Back in the early days of the Web, it paid to have a snazzy dot-com name to call your own. In conversation, the proper noun slate can refer to, among other things, a restaurant in Maine; a furniture-design studio in Illinois; a turkey breed; a private-party venue in New York; the student newspaper of Pennsylvania's Shippensburg University; or a Web magazine founded by Microsoft. Humans can usually figure out which of these Slates you're referring to based on the context, but computers weren't that smart—whichever one of those institutions pounced on Slate.com would get a boost in traffic from browsers looking for all those other slates. As a consequence of this same-name problem, scores of domain-name lawsuits have flared up over the years, as have attempts to game the system. "Cybersquatters" could once make good money by buying up domains that were similar to those of organizations with deep pockets and then...
- Bwana ☠
Have you joined Friendfeed yet? - http://myphillynetwork.com/have-yo...
John Fox, Sean Higgins, Eric Logan and 4 other people liked this
I hope to someday.
- Leo Laporte
I am also planning to.
- Nolan Alston
I'll consider it.
- Rochelle
I played with it, but they are going to need to add some serious features in order to compete with Twitter.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I would never join such a site. Ridiculous!
- Akiva Moskovitz
I have, sort of, I still use twitter mostly, of course I don't use either too much.
- Connor "The Lazy Geek"
from twhirl
I'm on the waiting list so as soon as it drops it's beta label...
- Anthony Farrior
I'll check it out one of these days.
- Kevin Sablan
One day.
- Daniel B. Honigman
from Friend Deck
I don't have time for this childish time-waster.
- Jérôme Flipo
yes I have, why do you ask?
- Enda Scully
from BuddyFeed
What is this Friendfeed that you speak of? ;)
- John Fox
No Disqus "Reactions" connected to this link :(
- Anthony Farrior
I swapped the baby for an iPod..
Kol Tregaskes, Haggis (Sean Loyless), Rodfather and 6 other people liked this
Seems fair.
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
yep. sounds like a good trade.
- Morgan Haley
Depends. Which generation iPod?
- pea
Was the baby ugly? :(
- Bwana ☠
true, we need to know which iPod you got. nevermind the baby - they all look the same. And the iPod won't keep crapping and crying like the baby would. But....you can't put either in a dumpster, due to eWaste laws and the whole 'anti-baby in a dumpster' vibe that exists now days. You CAN leave either at a hospital with no questions asked, which is nice.
- Morgan Haley
It was a Nano
- Joe Dawson
was it black...the Nano I mean
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
With a random name engraved on the back too
- Joe Dawson
I love that Microsoft spell check doesn't recognize "Firefox," but has no problem with "Netscape."
John Fox liked this
That is hilarious!!!!
- Tim Tunnicliff
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