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Georgia's Xmas Morning... #FFmas
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ravi karandeekar, Charlotte M, Odd Girl and 81 other people liked this
And that concludes the first half of Xmas... Rachael's parents are next :)
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
What a cutie pie. Looks like she loves her mom and dad!
- Louis Gray
Good lord, the cuteness!!
- Ayşe E.
:D Merry Christmas, Worthingtons!
- Josh Haley
Good Lord :D
- Michael W. May
Merry Christmas to you and your kin J.Dub
- Will Higgins™
Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.
- Alix Whitmire
So cute! Love her with the sleepy eyes and with the huge smiles, looking more awake. Merry Christmas Worthingtons!
- Trish Haley
Happy Christmas, Worthington Crew! What a beautiful family :)
- Bren -- feeling merry
4:38pm... We've had a big breakfast, 2 full Xmas lunches, a swim and way to many lollies... One more dinner to go :)
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
lollies *giggle*
- Josh Haley
I wouldn't mind a Xmas that included a swim one little bit! Sounds fabulous!
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
from iPhone
Growing so fast. Have fun!
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
from iPhone
Too fast
- Johnny Worthington
Merry Christmas from Japan to you and your family Johnny!
- LonelyBob
from twhirl
Merry Christmas to the Worthington family!
- Anne Bouey
cute !
- ★ Soner Gönül
That's what it's all about folks...that look
- VAL D. Zone
SWEET! what an angel face! ;-p
- Robyn Hawk
iconically sweet!
- N. Can KIRIK (j-joey)
adorable! =)
- siniradam
Hours away from my friend's wedding at 4, I get spotted wearing a tux. Don't tell anybody or show them these pictures.
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rowlikeagirl, Yolanda, TrafficBug and 88 other people liked this
Here in West Hollywood, my best friend of 18 years and his boyfriend are getting married. So yes, I get to be a groomsman at a gay wedding - prop 8 or not. Should be awesome.
- Louis Gray
Your secret is safe on the Internet
- Kevin L
Looking dapper, sir.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
and you appear to be about 30 feet tall
- Allen Stern
Sharp
- Johnny Worthington
Have fun! Nice tie/waistcoat
- anna sauce
I invited Derrick to the bachelor's party last night, but he couldn't come, because he had a date. :)
- Louis Gray
You guys are in charge. Make sure not to look at or show anyone these photos.
- Louis Gray
Nice tie! I won't tell anyone :)
- bev
Hello handsome :) I think you will get a lot of fun tonight especially with the most wonderful hairstyle is the world :D have fun dude!
- FFTornado
PS... I think that's a bag of awesomesauce tied up with a HELL YEAH bow :)
- Johnny Worthington
Doesn't one normally wear a bow tie with a tux?
- Oniony
You are teh hawtness, sir!
- Ladybug Heather
Oniony- you can wear a few diff. kind of ties.
- anna sauce
cool Louis!
- metalerik
A force to be reckoned with!
- Micah Wittman
I do know the two grooms! Congrats you crazy two, and have fun Louis. Give them my best.
- Derrick
Swanky! Nice, Louis, very nice!
- Alex Scoble
I hear there are other pictures ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Sharp
- Wayne Sutton
from iPhone
have fun and enjoy ..
- johnpiercy
It was a fantastic ceremony. One of the best weddings I have ever seen. It was traditional Jewish themed, so I am wearing a yarmulke to match the vest and tie. Lots of great friends from my teenage years.
- Louis Gray
from iPhone
Louis, I own a yarmulke as well - my wife brought it for me when she visited Israel
- Jesse Stay
Lookin' sharp, Louis!
- Ayşe E.
Spiffy, Mr. Gray.
- imabonehead
I wish I could like this twice.
- Chris Baskind
"Don't tell anybody," he tells everybody. ;)
- Dennis Jernberg
Can't wait to see the pics.
- Derrick
I won't breathe a word, Louis.
- WorldofHiglet
hi Louis, wish you can have a look at this: http://reader2twitter.appspot.com
- kang
You need a tie with a FriendFeed logo or something
- Outsanity
I just thought of a new nickname for you: LL Cool Gray. :D
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
:D good one, Sean!
- WorldofHiglet
Awesome.
- jan geronimo
Gay wedding with a tie,fun
- Steve Chou
LOL 'Swanky' Great pic, you do look 30 feet tall!
- Harold Cabezas
who is that guy? He almost looks scared about the tux!
- Chris Myles
With the suit on, Louis looks like he works for a federal agency. :P
- imabonehead
@imabonehead, u r right, it reminds me of agent mulder of x files
- TrafficBug
Sending an "atta-girl" Mrs. Gray's way
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
What's that? (Original Post: http://friendfeed.com/akiva...)
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Praveen Vasudev, Trent Olson, Mona Nomura and 80 other people liked this
LOLBabby!
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Sooo cute!!
- Rachel Lea Fox
Baby pictures courtesy of the Moskovitz family. :-) http://friendfeed.com/akiva...
- Jason Huebel
All right, normally I am fiercely opposed to people putting words on photos of Audrey but dammit if this didn't make me smile. You get a free pass this time, Huebel. But don't press your luck, fella!
- Akiva Moskovitz
from iPhone
LOL, I appreciate that. :-) This was just too cute to pass up, though.
- Jason Huebel
I see I can learn a thing or two from Miss Audrey. My response would have been like, "duh. Of course you do. I'm the cutest! Thanks!" Humility, I do it wrong. ;-) But seriously, she's so adorable it's hard to not smile when you're presented with a photo of her.
- pea
This baby is too perfect. Is it a 3D rendering? ;)
- Jorge Escobar
Special effects! It's all special effects!
- Akiva Moskovitz
CGI, FTW
- Jim in Real Time
Oh my...what a doll!!
- Katie is Frittering
OMG, the cuteness.
- Ayşe E.
This looks shopped... I can tell by the pixels, and from having seen quite a few shops in my time...
- Bec Rowe @d0tski
Cutest photoshop you'll ever see, though. :-P
- Jason Huebel
You ain't lying about that.
- pea
SFXbabby, now with pipeline caching.
- Sparky
FIPO Baby (food in, poop out)
- Jason Huebel
from IM
FIPO() ROFL!!!
- bev
Seriously, every time I look at this, I think I understand what other people feel when they see Audrey photos. I am 100% tickled.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Awesomeness
- Bren -- feeling merry
from iPhone
Those of us who don't have a cute baby girl have to live vicariously through the photos you post. :-) We've adopted her.
- Jason Huebel
It's really, really, really hard to be upset with her about anything because she's so damned cute. If I make a mean face toward her, she just starts grinning at me and I start laughing. She's already won the battle!
- Akiva Moskovitz
Wow, women learn that trick at an early age, don't they? How many times does she have you wrapped around her little finger? ;-)
- Jason Huebel
Hah, it's hard to tell as she hasn't really gotten to that stage of manipulation yet. At this point, she just wants to get our attention so she has her fake cough, she makes certain noises, etc. But, man, I can already see this as being an uphill battle.
- Akiva Moskovitz
well played. Audrey is ridiculous cute.
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
I want more video of her screaming at Akiva
- Matthew DeVries
Heh, we were just doing that.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva, how does she sound when she screams? Video of audrey when she starts eating broccoli with her own hands..get your video ready! Very funny scene in my home on that day.
- Myrna
Myrna, she just screeches in this really funny way (Rochelle had posted a video awhile back but I can't find it via the search anymore). I wish we had our video camera on the other day when we tried to feed her peaches. She made the funniest noise and face we've yet seen.
- Akiva Moskovitz
http://www.flickr.com/photos... screaming Audreys!
- Matthew DeVries
That was seriously cute. I miss those days.
- Jason Huebel
I love that you both are enjoying these days with her. Somehow when I think back to those days..its fuzzy but now I have a great friend and peer(my son).
- Myrna
bump.
- Trish Haley
I like that kid.
- Akiva Moskovitz
yes, i vote that you keep her.
- Trish Haley
that's what she said
- sofarsoShawn
Duuuuude. It just hit me that if FF goes away, that means no more Audrey pictures (or other cute FF babies). Whoa. Ok. NOW I'm upset. Stupid FB!!!!!!!
- pea
pea, you'll always be able to find Audrey pictures at http://www.roadofmiracles.com!
- Akiva Moskovitz
oh okay. that makes me feel better. seriously, not to creep anyone out, but the baby pics are a big part of what makes FF fun for me.
- pea
Doesn't creep us out at all. It's flattering!
- Akiva Moskovitz
*smile* These pictures always make me happy. She's a cutie.
- Jason Huebel
That was like my 3rd thought after the announcement, "No more Audrey :( "
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew, I'm slow. Or maybe it was denial. :)
- pea
*bump* *smile*
- Jason Huebel
Hah. I absolutely love this.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Baby!
- MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS
x_x
- Anna Haro
LOLBABBY ala Tina = WIN
- Mona Nomura
Gonna play this song again and again and again when Twitter goes down: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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bev liked this
I guess FF does not let you embed vids - I watched it over at YouTube - interesting comments like "I'm not trying to start a youtube fight." I tend to miss all the social networking site fights <sigh>
- bev
Good morning to my 47,000 friends here in FriendFeed.
Tyson Key, Erdinç *, Chris Rogers and 53 other people liked this
Good morning Scoble!
- Michiel Sikkes
morning
- michael sean wright
Hey Robert.
- Jim Connolly
I just passed the 47,000 mark and lots of you joined this week. Hope you stick around.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Good morning, Robert. I hate I missed you in San Antonio this week!
- ha3rvey (Ho)^3
Good Morning, Robert.
- The Letter M
Good morning (afternoon in the UK)
- Mark
good morning and good evening :D
- Roldano
Good morning Rob :) How was your night?
- FFTornado
morning!
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
Morning Robert Wats up
- Amir
I'm going to start calling it ScobleFeed :-)
- Stephen Borchert
Bore Da. [That's good morning in Welsh ;-)]
- 1x29
I have no idea why I liked this.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Or commented on it.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Good Morning
- Nolan Alston
Hey Robert how are you lets talk!!!
- Vernon Ford JR.
Morning/Afternoon
- Duane-PreppyDude
hey there.
- PaperDoll
Abimsin sana milyon kez like :)
- Hamdi Yaman
kaç milyon:) good morning robert
- Osman Üngür
booya
- Mark
Good morning to you :))
- Flynn (Michael A. Volz)
Good morning to you:o)
- Mike Pennell
Good morning, Robert!
- Dave Martin
Good morning
- Peter Warnock
from Android
Good mornin', O Captain, my Captain. ;)
- phil baumann
Mornin. and why is twitter down again?
- Jack
Good morning Robert! Feel lighter after the cull?
- Mark Aitken
afternoon by now sweet cheeks.... :o) mwah
- sofarsoShawn
Well, it's 1:24am here so it's technically morning. Good morning Robert!
- Jonas Dionisio
Jonas: Where are you?
- Jim Connolly
Mornin'. Need coffee. Honey, Scoble says g'morning. Ooops I typed that.
- James (!?)
Jim: SE Asia
- Jonas Dionisio
Jonas: I'm in UK BTW.
- Jim Connolly
bah humbug. my mom followed me on twitter today. grump.
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
hi Robert.
- 'Like' robot (frɐnc)
mornin'
- Jason Miller
Hi, Robert - any news on why Twitter is down this morning? http://skitch.com/kegill...
- Kathy E Gill
47,0001. Thank you very much.
- Deb Markham
Deb: Don't follow him - it just encourages him :)
- Jim Connolly
Jim: I didn't know my '1' had so much power. I think I like this FriendFeed thing.
- Deb Markham
G' Morning. Where is my coffee?
- Louis Trapani
from iPhone
Morning! What's on the agenda today?
- R1CC1
Good morning
- Peter
bella robi, te si che spakki di bruttto.
- BimboMinkia
Morning Robert, but evening over here in the UK. Have a good one.
- Mark Aitken
Greetings professor Faulkin. Would you like to play a game?
- Keith Barrett
from Android
Greetings professor Faulkin. Would you like to play a game?
- Keith Barrett
from Android
hey there robert. its not morning anymore here so I will just say hey!
- (jeff)isageek
Good evening.
- Tristan Seligmann
Heyyyyyyyyyyyy Big guy wwassssssssaa shaking!!!!!
- sofarsoShawn
Goo afternoon.
- Zachary TG
Good, uh, afternoon.
- Dennis Jernberg
Good morning Robert (though its probably the next morning by now!)
- Sandra Large
good morning
- Erdinc [bilimdiyari.com]
Night ya big LUG, I`m a lil sauced
- sofarsoShawn
Good morning. 4:12 am on the east coast...
- Mitchell Tsai
good morning
- Ali Sözkesen
Good morning. This time, for real. ;)
- Dennis Jernberg
Good Morning Robert. I'm been looking for a new perspective on Social media, and what better than yours. Thank you very much for all the insight on your blog, the content is just the breathe of fresh air i needed! (especially the Twitter Platform Shortcomings post!)
- Ahad Bokhari
Buon giorno
- Ciaoenrico
A belated good morning to you Robert.
- Roberto Bonini
おはようございます！
- Robert Prigge
Guten morgen, Herr Scoble.
- Bill Scherer
In the spirit of an apparent new school year: "Good morning Mr. Scoble..." (using a nasally voice helps to achieve desired effect)
- Chad Gesser
from iPhone
good morning! haha... so very late=) btw it's 08:00 pm here in Indonesia
- zʍıɔ
keep doing posts like this please Robert. I love them.
- Thomas Power
A day late but good morning to you!
- Lester Greenberg
Good Morning to you and all your 47,000 FFers Robert ... greetings from Canada
- johnpiercy
Trying out Google Chrome for Mac. So far So good. :)
Nicholas James, mridul, Bill Kinney and 5 other people liked this
Any different than Safari in terms of speed?
- Manuel Mas
Yes, I have noticed some on the "heavy content pages"
- TheHenry
Otherwise there pretty much the same. Safari is still very fast.
- TheHenry
Yay! Seriously? I see a SIGNIFICANT difference with Chrome vs Safari - Chrome is SMOKIN' fast!
- Mona Nomura
Really Mona. I don't notice a HUGE different. Maybe it's my connection?
- TheHenry
I love Chrome , but I don't know how it is on a Mac
- Michael Fidler
Very much an alpha product, but the speed is nice.
- Gunny doesn't side-hug™
Thumbs up Tuesday
Steven Perez, Helen Sventitsky, bev and 9 other people liked this
Izzz nice.
- Jason Huebel
Who said FriendFeed doesn't get you Google juice? Not Murphy Goode winery. Check this out on Google: http://www.google.com/search...
Ravi@Dell, TransContext Steve, Tapio Kulmala and 19 other people liked this
I've been noticing more and more FriendFeed items showing up in Google (and higher than Twitter, generally). How about you?
- Robert Scoble
but the question is how fast does google capture data form timeline?
- Veetrag
Veetrag: in minutes, is my experience. No longer than a day, for sure.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert I noticed that too, but I believe its because we write much more than 140 characters. So Google wouldn't have tweaked algorithm for it.
- Veetrag
By the way, Murphy Goode really screwed up a good thing. Here's Jim Louderback, CEO of Revision3 on the item: http://louderback.com/2009...
- Robert Scoble
That fact that a FF post can be #1 for an arbitrary set of multiple keywords doesn't prove the general fact.
- Gary
Veetrag: I think Google is watching the real time engines closer and closer every day.
- Robert Scoble
Gary: no, but I can find dozens of examples like this.
- Robert Scoble
Do you realize how many clicks it took me to get to that tweet?
- Rochelle
Rochelle: what Tweet?
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Thanks for the info. Do you have any idea how soon does that information becomes obselete? Does Google have infinite storage/indexing capacity.
- Veetrag
Veetrag: I believe so, yes! Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Google has posts of mine from years ago still in its index.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: One more question, does Google give more importance to information from people with more followers? If so, they have to tweak algorithm for every service.
- Veetrag
I agree Robert. I have even seen friendfeed post's higher than the actual blog post there about.
- TheHenry
Veetrag: I don't think so. But they DO give more importance to items that have more inbound links. So I bet getting retweeted helps.
- Robert Scoble
True, blog posts can remain forever. but these sites are generating content at much faster rate. And we have many more services.
- Veetrag
TheHenry: me too. Veetrag: Twitter generates 10Gigs of new data per day. That's nothing for Google to swallow. Google has many hundreds of thousands of computers and maybe more than a million. Not a problem at all.
- Robert Scoble
My FriendFeed posts on Google seem to climb and fall; it's not obvious why. It's also strange that I get Google Alerts on my alert topics when I tweet on it, but not from Friendfeed.
- Keith Barrett
So I need to start posting my blog posts here? Sheesh! :)
- Sid Burgess
Dont you think, posts with more 'likes' should get higher priority too? Or they are already doing it.
- Veetrag
Dozens of examples doesn't mean much when there are billions of keyword combination. If FF has the only use of a particular set of keywords, then it will rank by default.
- Gary
I noticed this a while back. My last big Flickr upload was a Merced roller derby bout. My FF post is number 2 after Flickr. http://www.google.com/search...
- Russellreno
Cool, I guess. Puts 1 google to rule them all back in an agile search play.
- Robert Higgins
Gary: OK, fine, how would you like to demonstrate which site will get you Google juice? Personally it all depends on what gets linked to. Or did you forget my "brrreeeport test" of Google? http://www.google.com/search... where I made up a fake word and got people to link to see what would happen?
- Robert Scoble
I have said earlier,my friendfeed post appeared within 48 hours in Google search. This was two months ago.
- ashish
Veetrag: I bet more likes get more Google Juice. Why? More pages are linking to the original item.
- Robert Scoble
I'm not saying FF has zero juice. I'm sure it is a value greater than zero, but I because anything can be posted by anyone, it would be hard for Google to give it much authority. If it did FF would instantly become a spam magnet. If a trend was started on FF and was later picked up by blogs, I'm sure the FF post wouldn't rank as high as the blogs.
- Gary
I don't know: On this SM doesn't matter to me. I only support local : http://www.oliverwinery.com/index...
- Melanie Reed
Robert, I clicked on your link above which led me to Google search results. I clicked on the first result which was to a post of your with a link to Leo's FF. I clicked on that link to get to Leo's FF post, which was a link to Digg. I clicked on that and went to Digg which was a link to martinsargent's Twitter account.
- Rochelle
Rochelle: even better, it's a full employment act for content producers because you need to click six times to get what should take one. Fair point! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Gary: you're wrong. Google knows which FriendFeeder has more inbound links. My pagerank here is seven. What's yours?
- Robert Scoble
Gary: you are wrong, twice. I have seen quite a few places where FriendFeed gets higher ranked than the blog. It makes sense, because the FriendFeed item is getting linked to by lots of people and the blog isn't (I often link here, because the conversation is worth linking to).
- Robert Scoble
I've noticed. My Friendfeed page shows up in a search for my name at about position 3 or 4 whereas for years the first instance of my actual self would show up around page 4. I'm not a content producer nor a particularly active person, so I figured it was FF picking up steam.
- Rob Haas
Gary: finally, FriendFeed is going to prove to be very resistant to spam for a whole lot of reasons, most of which I won't go into here because I don't want spammers to figure out ways around the resistance. But for one, if you block someone here it is a COMPLETE block, not half assed like over on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Robert what exactly were the terms of the contest? Did it expressly say something to the effect that interviews were guaranteed by public vote, influenced by public vote or just that they asked the public to vote?
- Melanie Reed
Melanie: they asked the public to vote and then, apparently, didn't care what the public said.
- Robert Scoble
Robert thanks for clarifying. Well, they're off the hook legally. But they simply didn't understand the implied "rules" of SM, which, let's face it, can be intimidating for the uninitiated. I have no background on how "initiated" the MG SM team were but it is possible, indeed, appears plausible that they didn't even expect that much feedback. Which only goes to show that perhaps many in...
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- Melanie Reed
Melanie: yeah, you really need to read Jim Louderback (Revision 3's CEO) take on it: http://louderback.com/2009...
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Yes. This was about "hearing the message" in the public dialogue that all good advertising campaigns should understand. It just happens faster on the Internet. And it recalls parallels in the "Palace vs. the Death of Princess Diana and the Public Reaction" dilemma. If I was going to teach a SM class to Enterprise SM teams, I would start there with elements they could relate to and then progress to the Murphy-Goode Affair. ;)
- Melanie Reed
FriendFeed ranks very well for me and often appears higher than my blog; however, since my blog is relatively new and fast-growing, those results are changing. My blog posts appear here in FriendFeed in near real-time, then get tweeted out with FF URLs re-directing back to my blog, so I am leveraging FriendFeed's Google juice to promote my blog's ranking and it is working! FriendFeed is one of my top inbound link referrers to my blog - Yay! :)
- Susan Beebe
from BuddyFeed
Not just for Google. also Bing, Yahoo, and some up-and-coming search engines
- TransContext Steve
Why, yes, my nephew is rather the cute one.
Bill Kinney, Valley, Nicholas Kreidberg and 31 other people liked this
Sup lil homie! High Five!
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
So cute!
- Ayşe E.
:D
- Penny
EEEK! -----------> x_x
- Live4Emma (L4S)
from iPhone
And there's more where those came from. :)
- Steven Perez
It's just a cute overload tonite on FF...between this young man, Audrey, and Johnny's beard I just don't know how much more I can take.
- Mark Krynsky
How to read your favorite RSS feeds on an iPhone or BB: http://blog.guykawasaki.com/2009...
brainno722 (Peter), bev and Robert Scoble liked this
Im not sure I understand the benefit of this over google reader.
- Brian Newman
from iPhone
Every new wave of Net technology has its detractors. Fair enough. But Twitter's seem unusually mean-spirited. http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-mag...
Ben Hanten, bev, Ryan Massie and Robert Scoble liked this
Twitter, the company, is mean spirited, which gets returned to it. Other companies haven't done to the community what this one has. Other companies also haven't gotten so much hype so quickly, which causes a pushback of its own. Twitter regularly takes the low road through community and technology decisions. Remember the fail whale? I saw it daily for two years. How often have I seen Facebook or FriendFeed fail like that? Not very often.
- Robert Scoble
Twitter grew at a ridiculous rate for a long while. Put FF (or any other service) on Twitter's growth rate and you'll see some failure.
- Trent Hamm
Trent: absolutely 100% wrong. Twitter failed back when I only had 1,000 followers. I have 44,000 now on FriendFeed and FriendFeed is actually growing faster than Twitter was in its first two years of life (and has many more features). Twitter was down almost continually in its first two years of life. FriendFeed has almost never been down.
- Robert Scoble
I thought that Pownce had a better platform than Twitter, but you can't argue when everyone shows up someplace else first. (See: AIM) Then again, the network effect isn't necessarily permanent (See the MySpace exodus to Facebook) But i know that there are a lot of people that complain that the 140 character limit crushes any real discourse, me included. But you can always link away to have the real conversation.
- Ryan Massie
Yeah, I was hoping that Pownce would go more places than it did. But Pownce had other problems that kept it from being fun and it was often slow, something that NEVER has hit FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
FriendFeed API v2: Real-time, OAuth, file attachments, and more - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
Baboon, Taras Brizitsky, bnoise and 220 other people liked this
"Today we are launching version 2 of the FriendFeed API for beta testing. We focused on making the API simpler to use, and we added number of compelling new features." Documentation: http://friendfeed.com/api...
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
OAuth? Sweet. Thanks a lot for all the new good stuff in the API: can't wait to use it.
- Mark Trapp
cool :)
- Siavash
very nice. great work!
- Alfredo
Yet another reason to like Bret. :-)
- Jesse Stay
nice!
- Daniel Rust
good job guys, I bet devs are jumping high right now
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Sweet, congrats!
- Ivan Zuzak
nice, good to see OAuth support, this will enable a larger 3rd party ecosphere around FriendFeed, I hope
- Jeroen De Miranda
After going through the documentation and playing around with some feeds, I love the fact that you can now see the subscriber lists of people who have their feeds set to private as long as you are subscribed to them and authenticate (mimicking the main site functionality). One thing that's absent is a discussion of Direct Messages. Do they show up in feeds if you authenticate? How do we find just direct messages?
- Mark Trapp
Mark: direct messages are accessed using the feed ID "filter/direct". Read more about feed IDs at http://friendfeed.com/api.... Also direct messages appear in the "home" feed.
- Benjamin Golub
Benjamin: ahhh, I see it now. I missed it when skimming that list over. Thanks!
- Mark Trapp
Can you post the wget version of the command line?
- Gabe
Gabe: wget --user=bgolub --password=passwd --post-file=MyPhoto.jpg http://friendfeed-api.com/v2... should work. In theory. Edit: nope. I'm not sure it's possible to do with wget.
- Mark Trapp
Oh dear. And now I'm thinking "Command line Friendfeed UI - I can do that - that would be do-able" ;-) Nice work peeps, especially the subscriber list info! :-)
- Andy Bold
Thanks God it is New API.
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
from iPod
Nice progress here with this release!
- Micah Wittman
I love it!
- friday night
Why is wget questionable?
- Gabe
Gabe: wget doesn't support multipart forms as a design decision. If you post a file, FriendFeed returns a 404, and if you post data, the query is too long for wget to handle.
- Mark Trapp
cool : )
- Gürkan Oluç
Good work, look forward to seeing what developers can create
- Joe Dawson
doublepluslike
- Raphael, Raphael
curl FTW.
- Jeremy Kunz
This is great, FriendFeed team. Good job.
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Woowoo, bgolub's password is “passwd” ;-)
- Amit Patel
Amit: I wonder how many people tested that :)
- Benjamin Golub
Thanks to bgolub posting his password, I now have all of FriendFeed's secret documents about notorious users, useless metrics, Justin Timberlake's promoting FF on Oprah's show, hiring Colbert as a spokesperson, Ev Williams being just a “distraction”. TechCrunch is going to love this! ;)
- Amit Patel
Yes big big thanks to the whole team for all their hard work!!
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
from iPhone
thank you;) waiting for the release :) loving clone
- abdellah
from FriendFeed API Example
Yay subscribers exposed!
- EricaJoy
Finally OAuth, I had a hard time memorizing my remote key.
- Hugh Isaacs II
This is indeed very cool, anybody started on a c# version?
- Jesper Lind
Tomorrow I am going to MindJet. THAT is something I can get passionate about! Anything I should ask them? Post ?'s here:
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Great great product. Will they come out with a simple/cheaper/easier to collaborate web version (it did not do that a couple of years ago). MindManager + Google Wave could be really interesting.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Surely this year Microsoft will acquire you!; have you made any plans for MindManager 2010 that align with Office 2010!?
- James Burke
You could ask them about the following particular aspect of mind maps: its effectiveness, its support in their (and others) products, its popularity, etc.. The aspect: are the labels on the branches or on the nodes?! Buzan's original approach, his books and his software product use labels on the branches (the nodes are simply a place where the branches branch) and recommends only one...
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- John W Lewis
I have looked at them before, and they have a lot (a ton) of add-ons and features, which muddies the waters. It would be nice if they had bundles. With the proliferation of start-ups these days, a cool feature would be the "start-up bundle" that walked you through the "so you think you have a unique ..." process. something most start-ups miss, and inadvertently fail as a result of.
- Erik Boles
More Tablet features such as ink brainstorming mode
- Donnell Walton
What are plans for Mac version, e.g. feature parity with Windows version?
- Thomas Koschate
Do you use it, and what's the benefit?
- Scott Zosel
Are they planning an iPhone version with sync to mac or windows?
- Larry Perlov
from iPhone
Robert, I'd like to know what they are doing to promote more map sharinng. I'd love to see maps as a centralised resource on the web I can hook into. Collaborative features to me seem a little light at the moment. I'd also like to know if they see value in offering a 'lite' version perhaps hosted for free on the web, could this be ad supported to offset costs? Would love to know if they...
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- Mark Aitken
I'd like to know what they are doing that's innovative in mind-mapping. Are they making the visualization more fluid? Improving ability to show multi-dimensional connections? Improving the interaction design? I would love to see concrete examples of what they are doing differently, and why it makes a difference. how do they keep us "in the flow" when we're thinking... ?
- Darius Dunlap
Edwin - we're definitely looking to bring mapping to the masses via the web; also, I agree, mapping your search results like Google wave is pretty cool. An integration there would be extremely useful for researching, gathering competitive intelligence, and writing.
- Michael Deutch
James - we're working extremely close with Microsoft. In fact, our team met with their head of innovation last week. He's a MindManager user :) In fact, someone from Microsoft posted on our blog a couple of weeks ago to share that his whole department is now using MindManager and they love the integration with Microsoft Office. Windows 7 and Office 2010 are both on our radar!
- Michael Deutch
John - great questions! We touch on some of this in the video. I've been involved in some internal discussions recently which raised the question of adding information on the branch lines vs. topics. I think many of the mapping software vendors have followed Mindjet's lead in this arena where the focus is on adding content into topics rather than the lines. I'm not aware of any study...
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- Michael Deutch
Amir - Yes. We already offer Mindjet Connect which allows organizations to collaboratively work on maps with a browser or MindManager 8. It also offers web conferencing and shared workspaces to store both maps and all other files.
- Michael Deutch
Erik - you're right on the money. Our VP of Sales has initiated an effort to bundle up product and services to help organizations adopt mapping and implement best practices.
- Michael Deutch
Donnell - I hear you loud and clear. I've been monitoring similar sentiments on the web and passing on these requests to our product team. With the growth of apple's touch products, introduction of HP's touch desktop, and upcoming release of Window's 7, rest assured that we'll take a renewed look at our own touch capabilities. In fact, Robert recorded a sneak preview of what we're working on for Windows 7. I'll continue to be an advocate for you here!
- Michael Deutch
Thomas & Larry - Mac and mobile are definitely on our radar. Expect news very soon!
- Michael Deutch
Mark - Collaboration and easy sharing on the web is a priority! We're also not tied to any business model so you may see some innovative packaging in the future. I'm personally an advocate of freemium models but know that there are back-end costs that must be covered. We're open to exploring all options.
- Michael Deutch
I would love to hear their thoughts on "desktop app" vs. "web app" and why they chose desktop. Personally, I would want all my info accessible from anywhere I am, on whatever computer I'm using, without having to install & maintain a desktop app. It feels so perfectly suited to a web app, and yet...?
- Steve "Daddy do it!" Lacy
Darius - we're focusing a lot of attention on collaboration these days but continue to explore better ways to present information visually, navigate large amounts of data, etc... today, you could take advantage of tablet pc's and write your maps, voice technology and speak to your map, gestures to navigate, and more... I think you'll see more about 'purpose-driven' maps. In other words, not mind mapping for mind mapping sake but rather mind mapping embedded into your workflow seamlessly.
- Michael Deutch
Are they doing anything with blog/article/digg comments and mind maps? Maps could be used to group similar comments under a mind map node.
- ydfeed
You could ask why they are not on FriendFeed -- outside of Michael (at least the community labels on their website do not so indicate). Some sort of integration with FF could be a great marriage.
- Brian Sullivan
Here is why I have two Twitter accounts and what I'm learning:
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1. Because my main account needs to follow everyone who is following me for DM reasons.
- Robert Scoble
2. But that means I can't closely follow my friends and people I've met face-to-face.
- Robert Scoble
3. Following 100,000 means you'll only randomly see Tweets, and you'll miss too much good stuff.
- Robert Scoble
4. There's no way you can completely follow more than a few hundred people. So, if you've followed more than 1,000 you need two accounts.
- Robert Scoble
5. I've been using this technique here on FriendFeed for more than a year and it really rocks (FriendFeed lets you split your friends up into lists, while Twitter forces you to get more than one account).
- Robert Scoble
http://twitter.com/notsecr... is my second account.
- Robert Scoble
or use TweetDeck, right? I haven't used it, but I understand it lets you group/prioritize the people you follow
- Joshua Maurice
Scoble, this solution doesn't seem to scale. In another year does this mean you'll have a supersecret account that only follows select people from the secret account?
- Ryan Jones
so one account for people you really want to follow and one for everyone that you follow back at both FF and Twitter?
- bev
Guy Kawasaki does this right?:
- Steve Rubel
Robert: makes sense...but what is the advantage of 2 accounts compared to Groups
- Edwin Khodabakchian
I use TweetDeck to organize my close friends into a list. That way, it's really easy for me to just follow those who are close to me, but still get DMs from everyone.
- Eric Pender
Is there a client aka Tweetdeck that allows you to pull in your Friendfeed friend's lists?
- Stephen Kennedy
... or any other BETTER filtering service than Tweetdeck, like PeopleBrowsr.
- Alan Veeck
Edwin: none, except that Twitter does not support groups and I'm not going to invest the time to build them in, say, TweetDeck when there's so much innovation going on in Twitter clients.
- Robert Scoble
There are more than a few Twitter usability issues that I'd like to see changed in addition to the required multiple accounts, deleting of DM's being easier and organizing of people as well....Tweetdeck allows this but Twitter should have thought of this internally...
- Walter Schwabe
This seems like a lot of effort to deal with the problem of courtesy refollows. Why not just follow those 500 people or so on your main Twitter account? If you don't care what people say publicly and they're just noise, why deal with the acres of spammers sending you DMs to shill for some crappy product?
- Trent Hamm
bev: right, I think. Ryan: yeah, this probably doesn't scale. But for now it does.
- Robert Scoble
My Twitter numbers are strikingly similar to my FF numbers - when it comes to followers / followees. I've never broken 1000 when it comes to people I follow and every so often I go through and prune my list to help tune the noise. I've given up on Twitter and really focus most of my effort on my FF friends.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
I see. the 2 account approach makes it portable across twitter client. smart
- Edwin Khodabakchian
With Seesmic Desktop I created groups like "China, Hong Kong, France, Ogilvy, etc etc" and it works fine
- Jean-François Amadei
Alan: for instance, if I had spent the time doing that on TweetDeck, now I'm using Seesmic Web. So I'd have to recreate the groups.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: What is you 2nd FF account?
- Amir
Tweetdeck became a necessity after 100 follows. I have groups and I rarely add to them- which means that me following you on twitter means virtually nothing as I rarely read the main feed. I can see this really corrupting your % followers to followed, which I do care about. Anyways, FF does make this a more feasible situation, to follow lots of people and still interact with them. Whereas with Twitter I'd have to resort to 2 accoutns.
- anna sauce
Amir: I only have one, but I have several lists of friends.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Do you recommend that technique to everyone?
- Amir
I jus noticed, you don't follow me on twitter for DMs. heart breaking, that must be why you never answer me on twitter :P
- Özgür D. Cyric
Has anyone tried http://www.grouptweet.com/? I like its features, makes it easy to have private groups on twitter.
- Nagesh C
I do the same, and it greatly improved my twitter experience. now i never miss what my close buds are saying.
- sean percival
Looking through the list, I noticed you follow lots of people, but not a lot of feed type accounts. No newspapers, rss crossposts, etc... It's all people, maybe discuss why?
- Jim Graham
Seesmic is a good little program, not as "weird feeling" as Tweetdeck.
- Gus
will they add tags/filters on twitter? would be nice, but one thing which makes twitter great is its simplicity
- diegovanegas
Amir: either that technique or join FriendFeed. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I follow millions at a time with my one Twitter account. :-) - http://staynalive.com/article...
- Jesse Stay
Jim: because I want to view my news through the filter of people I know.
- Robert Scoble
Functionality and usability are key I'd say most of the 3rd party apps that are good give you that work for grouping Twitter properly, I prefer TweetDeck, but it is just a matter of comfort I had tried Seesmic and others, I guess I really liked the go anywhere connectivity of Tweetdeck when it went iPhone.
- Patrick Boegel
To me the conflict between DM and tweets proves a weakness in the twitter concept, so why not pushing them to address that. You can set up a massive vote for something like this.
- Jcm Manuel
Jcm: if Twitter listened to me they would get rid of the Suggested User List. I'd rather not beat my head against a brick wall.
- Robert Scoble
So this new one is basically Scoble using Twitter the way everyone else does?
- Jan Dawson
There must be a proper way to combine things. Twitter is all about limitations, but if they force people to have 2 accounts, there's clearly something that sux.
- Jcm Manuel
Jan: most of the people I'm following have thousands of friends. This one is more picky.
- Robert Scoble
I don't see how you keep up with them both.
- Kevin Montgomery
Kevin you can keep up by using tweedteck or seesmic (allow for multiple accounts)
- Jcm Manuel
Kevin: multiple screens. And I don't look at 100,000 people very often. The noise there is extraordinary.
- Robert Scoble
With your 2nd twitter account, you pretty much can ignore the first one, but use second one to broadcast to a much bigger group. One for socializing, one for broadcasting?
- Nagesh C
I know.....I use tweetdeck, but between email, myspace, facebook, twitter......it's ALOT of noise. I'm struggling to actually engage on twitter they way I would like. Robert, do you remember me from the Himmelman/Skin tour?
- Kevin Montgomery
I bet that your DMs will diminish on the first account pretty soon, if not already
- Nagesh C
That's a great idea, especially for someone like you. How can you even keep up with all of these comments on your posts? FF is definitely much more logical and organized than Twitter. I only use Twitter for those who don't have FF, and then I just have imaginary friends. I hardly ever go to Twitter (in any form).
- Californian
Nagesh: the smart people DM me on FriendFeed already, yes.
- Robert Scoble
I don't have the problem of thousands of people I follow, but I do know that before I follow someone, I look to the posting behavior. If he/she's posting just a few good messages per day I follow, it it's a spammer like Scoble I don't follow - unless he's called Scoble of course LOL. But my approach is to choose very carefully.
- Jcm Manuel
By the way, the whole LINKING between services sux too. For instance, I follow Scoble on another twitter account. But when it linked to friendfeed, it logged in with my other account (I have 2 accounts there as well) - because in the browser you always log in with the account you last logged in (unless the session has expired). I didn't even notice that I didn't "friendfeed" with the account that sent me here. There's very little control over all these things - I make errors like this very often.
- Jcm Manuel
Aren't most of the people you've met face to face on Friendfeed with feeds from Twitter/blogs/facebook/etc..? In terms of broadcasting, feed the main Twitter account and use FF to filter, as you mentioned. Seems simple enough, am I missing something?
- Benjamin Taylor
Some 2 hours ago I was looking on the Seesmic site if they had some public planning of developments, but I couldn't find it. I would love to know what they plan - e.g. if they plan to add friendfeed to Seesmic desktop. And myspace feed of course.
- Jcm Manuel
Loic says they were waiting for FriendFeed's new API to work on FriendFeed support. I'd expect that's coming soon now.
- Robert Scoble
ok that's great anyway. I find it strange though that myspace is so often ignored - that's 250 million people as well. Seesmic, Flock... etc. they don't seem to care a lot.
- Jcm Manuel
This is the exact reason why the number one new feature Twitter needs is user groups. With user groups you can manage the information and pay attention to what is important. I find it surprising and actually ridiculous that they haven't been able to implement this feature yet. Scoble is right about not investing time in Twitter clients to create user groups; the innovation in this field...
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- Angus Burton
I do the same thing. My second account I call the "PIMP" group, People I've Met Personally. Two accounts is better than Tweetdeck groups because I don't like to be stuck in tweetdeck.
- Scott Jangro
for me, Twitter is biz, Friendfeed can serve as both personal and biz. Originally, my 1 twitter account was meant 2 be personal, but now its more than that, its 4 advocacy and social purpose. Therefore I find if I want anything personal, friendfeed and identi.ca would be better serve 4 me!
- polou/indigo_bow
I've said it several times in several places, and again here just to hear myself ramble. Tweetdeck misses tweets very often. I've created columns/groups/whatever you wanna call it to follow family and friends. It misses their stuff more than it catches it. So, for me, and several other people I know, it's unreliable... and therefore unusable. I'm not too keen on using Peoplebrowsr or...
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- John
I have 3 twitter accounts and manage a friendfeed & twitter account for someone else, so that makes 4 twitters and 2 friendfeeds I have to keep my eyes on.
- April Russo (app103)
@April u r one busy person!
- polou/indigo_bow
I have opened a second twitter account to stream there most of my links I feel like to (re)share w/o comments, and reserve the "main" account for more "conversation-like" stuff. Not sure yet if it will work, I am still experimenting. I also realized that I can use that second account to filter my twitter feed when I am mobile (follow real people on one account and news sources on another, for example...)
- Ashalynd
It'll be interesting times when Twitter does implement some kind of filtering function and you'll want to merge multiple accounts.
- Vincent van Wylick
I usually find that interesting things I find on Twitter already has been filtered through to Friendfeed, so I have to say I care less and less about checking Twitter
- Asgeir
Just suspending my experimental automated one. Apparently A LOT of people don't dig that :) The TOP SECRET address is .....
- Charlie Anzman
All of this just so you can get DMs on Twitter? Your email address (and your cell phone number) are right on your blog. Do you have so little faith in email? Or do you want to force people into 140 character messages, so you get less lengthy emails? By creating convoluted systems, you haven't solved anything. You're not addressing an obsessive need to be in touch with everyone through...
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- Joost Schuur
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"Sorry, Doug, I have to disagree. You say that Barry is taking the lead on Twitter so you went that route. Did you tweet @BestBuy? Did you use their website option to click on the “Call Me” button? These are the customer service options you could have taken and you chose not to, so it comes across as wanting to have a go at Best Buy (right or wrong)."
- Danny Brown
12 new items from Google Reader just got pulled into my FriendFeed account at http://friendfeed.com/scoblei.... Fresh meat! Google Reader is seeing a LOT of new users lately.
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It's all part of their plan for total world domination :)
- Jim Connolly
Jim, LOL.
- Jigar Mehta
i'm going to go out on a limb and bring up this old chest nut...the users have always been there, growing steadily by the day :)
- Zee.
The Like feature in Reader, though a small gesture, opens a big window to more of a social RSS experience. Tiny software changes can have huge cultural effects.
- phil baumann
Yep... and it appears to be working!
- Susan Beebe
from iPhone
Zee: not really true. I've been on Google Reader for years and was #1 user for quite a while. In the past week a TON of new people have joined.
- Robert Scoble
Why?
- Susan Beebe
from iPhone
Susan: because of the new sharing and liking and searching features. New features get PR. PR gets people to try something new.
- Robert Scoble
Good point! The username feature got me back in gReader this week
- Susan Beebe
from iPhone
Wonder how much of it is just 'us' - Geeks feeding the same information around different sites / apps?
- Jim Connolly
Jim: I don't recognize most of the names of people who've followed me in the past week. So, it might be geeks, but based on the content they are picking I'd say it's going a bit more mainstream than that. Certainly they aren't the same usual folks who I usually see. For instance, on Dopplr about half of the people who follow me there are people I've actually met face to face. In Google Reader, this week's new bunch is closer to 1%.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: That would be VERY interesting!
- Jim Connolly
Many geeks, but I think there's plenty of other kinds of peeps. Some in mine don't appear to be geeks.
- phil baumann
Q: If I Like your Like, do you see that Like back in your feed? <<
- phil baumann
Phil: What do geeks look like? :-) (Visions in my mind of thye cast from Big Bang Theory)
- Jim Connolly
All geeks are hot :)
- phil baumann
Not too sure about that!
- Susan Beebe
from iPhone
Since we're on the topic, do we wanna share each other feeds here? http://www.google.com/reader...
- phil baumann
phil: sure, mine is http://www.google.com/reader...
- Robert Scoble
Just started using it - love it!
- BEX
I wonder if Google's giving us a glimpse of where Wave is going. Adding messaging into reader could kick it even farther into the social space. But then that would be sorta FFish I guess.
- phil baumann
The "like" move was really smart. Based on one week of stats, a lot more people are likely to like a feature (compare to shared and shared with notes). Regarding search + follow, it is a great step forward compared to the 2 way handshake which was in place. Future will tell if people want to create yet another graph or use friendfeed + twitter. If I had to guess, I would say that friendfeed is the best solution.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
phil: except FriendFeed is 1000x faster than Google Reader. The engineering team there really doesn't understand how to do fast stuff like the FriendFeed team does.
- Robert Scoble
robert - the FF team is amazing. period.
- phil baumann
Wow, Leo Laporte is fuming about the human rights problems he saw in China. More over at live.twit.tv
- Mark
"China is a totalitarian state and like all totalitarian states they need to control the flow of information" - Leo Laporte
- Mark
Mark: and this is new? I saw the same thing 10 years ago when I visited China.
- Robert Scoble
Rebecca McKinnon is doing the best job of covering China. She's at http://friendfeed.com/rebecca... (worked as a journalist there for many years and cofounded Global Voices Online).
- Robert Scoble
yeah I guess
- Mark
Robert: The ff team is indeed amazing. But the Google Reader team is also very good: GR has a clean internal structure, awesome APIs and keeps shipping which for a 2-3 year old product is a tribute to the quality of the engineering. The reason why I think friendfeed will win is not engineering or realtime. It is because as a user I do not want to have a sharing tool per application....
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- Edwin Khodabakchian
China blocked Friendfeed he says too :(
- Mark
Edwin: the Google Reader team might be good if you are an average user. But on my account it is ssssllllooooowwwww. FriendFeed, however, with 10x as many people interacting with me is super fast. But I agree with your overall thesis.
- Robert Scoble
He says the people of china dont seem to care that they live in a totalitarian state with limited freedom and censorship etc
- Mark
The slow factor is due to the fact that it tracks "mark as read" which changes the nature of the back end beast. Which as you point out can add a 1-2s per query if you have 500+ feeds.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin: most of the slowness I'm seeing is in adding new friends to Google Reader. Horridly slow.
- Robert Scoble
Good point. This is because even if it allows asymmetric follow, the Google Reader platform was not designed for more than 500-1000 following (sources and friends included). This is one more reason why friendfeed is a better sharing and conversation platform
- Edwin Khodabakchian
I am back using Chrome and Reader after a stint with Firefox and Feedly. Part of the reason for coming back was the new sharing capabilities. I am having some problems getting my follows to actually stick, but I think that the follow feature will allow me to subscribe to less feeds and more people and make better use of my time.
- Sean Brady
Leo Laporte: "my colleagues in the tech world are more concerned with protecting their sources and NDA's then getting the truth out"
- Mark
Edwin: this is a common problem at Google. My Google Latitude account crashes with 350 friends because they didn't plan on anyone having more than 100 friends. Lame. Until they fix this attitude they won't be seen as best of breed in social networking.
- Robert Scoble
Sean: the 2.0a.012 feedly patch we pushed out last night includes support for like, new profile and the new sharing capabilities.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Mark: I wish Leo would start up a chat for this stuff here on FriendFeed. I hate IRC.
- Robert Scoble
I am not hearing him on the mic are you? And I agree.
- Robert Burgin
re: scoble, edwin ; i'm sure google [earth] has their own beacon logfiles for this, therefore it's not really 'lame' from *their* side , j/k ; in other words, they didn't care about the front end customers, just about themselves and *their* customers, which should be real estate, bioFarma and privatized defense contractors ; http://friendfeed.com/search...
- ewing2001akaNicomedy2010
Robert: agreed. I do not think that Google can come back to in the social networking game unless they do a major acquisition. But they have a great play in the identity, profile, single sign-on field.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin: and their business listings are great, overall. They could use those to get back into the game.
- Robert Scoble
right now i think twitter might buy twitpic pretty soon. Google will buy both twitter and friendfeed by next year , since both are run by former employees anyway ;
- ewing2001akaNicomedy2010
I think that the facebook vs. twitter vs. myspace vs. friendfeed battle is going to be interesting to watch. Friendfeed is definitely behind but they have such a better technology. They just need to find a couple beach heads and a few more Scoble's for something interesting to happen.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
I thought MySpace was dead toast fish.
- Bill Sodeman
Edwin: FriendFeed needs to do a few things to get to the next level: 1. Give us the ability to brand ourselves. Themes are cool, but we need them on rooms and on our own accounts. 2. We need better tools on search to get rid of duplicates. I'm getting a lot of duplicates from rooms, for instance, and there's no way to get rid of them even though they are quite consistent. 3. We need...
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- Robert Scoble
Robert: I know. What friendfeed really needs is to bootstrap an twitter like eco-system of apps: a lot of the issues you are highlighting are real and could be easily addressed by different clients offering different experiences. We have been seriously thinking about being one of those client applications. I am wondering what is the ingredient to make the ecosystem a reality. Any thoughts on that?
- Edwin Khodabakchian
the satellite electronic defense league around EADS, Thames UK, SES Dutch Skies and others don't allow Microsoft/Facebook any longer to climb higher in the power league, coz he did his stuff in the 90s with Iridium. It's more than embarrassing , that DEMS still don't know that he was in league with the Bin Ladin Group and so was the current U.S. Intelligence Head in charge , Dennis Blair [DNI ; also in charge of CIA and FBI since 2004] http://www.muckety.com/Dennis-...
- ewing2001akaNicomedy2010
Thanks for the good conversation. Back to work now!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin: FriendFeed also needs a mobile strategy beyond hoping the world gets iPhones. Start bootstrapping developers there. I wish Friendfeed had a search service that let me search all of Facebook and all of Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I gather Friendfeed works good on the iphone? I really need help Robert, I mean, seriously, I cannot decide which smart phone to get. I don't want to buy an apple just to be cool if its not the best. Wikipedia has a huge list http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Mark
But developers seem to move toward platforms that have a few things: 1. Users. 2. A decent chance of monetizing. 3. That do something unique. 4. That are open and/or resharable 5. Simple and consistent. If FriendFeed can do those things with an API it would be most impressive.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Mark: I love my iPhone but you have to come to your own decision there.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
waz this new Verizon wifi IPhone-Compaq Notebook about? big PR campaign on weekend ;
- ewing2001akaNicomedy2010
I learned from this thread that some Google products actually have scalability problems. Amazing. Their experience with scaling stuff doesn't perpetuate through the whole company it seems. I mean, I think the right attitude for Google would be to design for a million feeds and a million friends.
- Meryn Stol
Mark: that list is comprehensive, but some of the phones on there are old
- Kashif Khan
google *has* billion of feeds. After all, G Earth/Lockheed/InQTel/FCS executed main parts of 9/11, even if conspiracy smashers deny all this....
- ewing2001akaNicomedy2010
...and of course Google is also in bed with Transnational Fascists around Obama: http://friendfeed.com/search... ; http://ff.im/3RyHf
- ewing2001akaNicomedy2010
ewing2001: are you an automated spam bot?
- Edwin Khodabakchian
nope i'm around since 1993 and can type and research fast ;
- ewing2001akaNicomedy2010
i'm also a comedian coz politics suk ; http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- ewing2001akaNicomedy2010
robert: good list. I think that it would also help them if they made "developers" a priority and were being vocal about it (one thing twitter did/does well). Enjoy the rest of the week end!!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Ewing: you are very close to getting blocked for taking my threads off topic.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
i was made invisible by ff during the davos economy forum, therefore i'm sure Edwin is one of the ignorants, which define, what "spam" is as well.goodbye and over and best to Scoble ;
- ewing2001akaNicomedy2010
what an odd person
- Mark
To Robert's points re:branding & filtering issues on FriendFeed, I would add the need for a "Subscribe feed to FF" bookmarklet as described here: http://friendfeed.com/alexsch...
- Alex Schleber
I wish they would rename the "like" features on FF and elsewhere, can't think of an appropriate word.
- Mark
Robert, just so you know, I was following your shared Items as a standard feed for months. When Reader made their changes, I showed up on your lists. My behavior didn't change, though.
- Alex Scrivener
I just dumped Newsgator after many years of use because it just kept using up too much memory on my Blackberry. I tried out Google Reader, and found it was slightly better. I won't go back.
- Amac
Actually, I suspect that almost all of the people you think have joined have actually been using it for a while - the social stuff just makes them more visible.
- Ian Betteridge
Oh, and my GReader feed is at http://www.google.com/reader...
- Ian Betteridge
Has anyone seen their tweets being removed from Twitter Search? Someone just called me and showed me her tweets are. Anti-spam measures?
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Maybe, I have not noticed it.
- Adam
Oh yes. And it's not anti-spam. See my post here http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009...
- Karoli
Probably, I think the people @ Twitter are working real hard on getting rid of all the spam, that's why we are seeing a decrease in the number of followers/removed tweets from Twitter Search
- Ahmed
it's an arbitrary removal from search based upon subjective criteria which may or may not be true.
- Karoli
Haven't seen this yet. Though I would be interesting. Currently working on a Drupal site that filters local tweets since we've been invaded by Gurus and Social Marketing twits.
- Dean Clark
the one common thread I've been able to find in the ones I know of is that they all tweeted with regard to the #iranelection with that tag.
- Karoli
I've searched for tweets which I specifically remember based on memorable keywords, only to find them missing from Twitter search. It's been happening for months.
- Jackie Danicki
Yap ,,, mine as well are not in the search...you can find them in FF but not there
- Johni Fisher
Ya, I only have 3.25 pages showing up yet I have 300+ tweets.... It could also be blamed on a "hardware issue" or a "process saver".
- Adam
Most of my twitpic tweets are missing. Not that I think it's necessarily a big deal, but it is a little odd.
- malackey
Jackie, some people's entire streams are removed. If you do a from: search on them you will get no result
- Karoli
Also, many of the people removed from search entirely are engaged, legit long-term Twitterzens.
- Karoli
Robert, this has been going on for months. I had to write a post that has fixed dozens of accounts in the past week alone. Tweet >> Have *YOU* been "FILTERED OUT" of Twitter's Search feature? Many have been. Get the test & FIX here: http://bit.ly/ShoqTips
- Shoq
I'm still bummed Summize doesn't index every tweet >:[ Twitter is setting itself too much stock that new tweets are more relevant than older ones...
- CannonGod
There are several manifestations. Even though my account is fixed, many tweets simply vanish into an index wormhole. They can be found in my updates, but NOT by search.
- Shoq
and then there is the problem of having accounts restored, only to discover that any tweets prior to restoration are never, ever available in search again.
- Karoli
i guess @ev is banned. do from:ev, you get nothing. now do http://bit.ly/RvKNZ & you'll see his tweets. i suspect from:TWITTERNAME does indicated a filter in many cases but not necessarily in them all. Twitter search has been losing posts for months, especially if you do advanced searches http://bit.ly/Imtq1 but stuff from @shoq @karoli is really helpful -- hopefully Twitter will get their act together more & make things clearer
- dannysullivan
Its not just loosing ,they have some words that you cant find at all or cant find after a date ,,,this problem is from the first days of June
- Johni Fisher
thanks, danny. don't know about @ev, but if you look at @delbius' stream, you'll see how many replies are terse "you may have posted a malware link", or something similar. No pointer, no warning, no nothing to tell you why you're removed. But she makes it clear that people *were* removed.
- Karoli
I am not a spamer and never posted a malware link, but they took out our company name from the search ,,,,,simple as that ,if they are happy I am happy for them too
- Johni Fisher
I do see where ev's account was hacked. perhaps he decided to keep it offline and out of search.
- Karoli
Yes - i blogged about it and then followed twitter folks around until they released me from twitter purgatory - someone tweeted about this earlier - I will have to dig it up. It takes time, dedication, and persistence to get back into the steam...
- bev
When I post in reply within trends, I cannot see my tweets within the stream. I contacted Twitter and they said they knew it was an ongoing issue and instead of correct it... closed my ticket.
- Nile Flores
Nile, Shoq has written a FAQ for dealing with this stuff. http://bit.ly/ShoqTips
- Karoli
Earlier, all results for the search "textPlus" - GOGII's iPhone app were missing, but now they're back.
- drew olanoff
Mine don't show up on the search at all. They used to, but now they don't. I haven't changed anything so I'm not sure why.
- Summer
I was filtered for some time -- don't know the start because I didn't know to look.Restored for 4 hours then filtered again for about 20 hours, now back to full feed. I have no idea why I was filtered. I did use tweetlater.com to announce a friend's non-profit petiiton (about 12 tweets over 48 hours, not much variation). All my tweets from before filtering are gone from search. Not a big issue for me as I don't rely on, but could be very hard for a tweeple for business.
- Liz
Twitter hates you :)
- Jason Nunnelley
Every time you post "FriendFeed" a sparrow dies.
- Alan Chamberlain
Mine are and I contacted Crystal. It's not personal. It's a known issue.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
@salspizza This discovery by @scobleizer affects you, even though you don't sell pizza.
- Bernie Goldbach
I usually notice the opposite, that deleting a tweet has little value because it still appears in the search DB
- Keith Barrett
I hate Twitter's unpolicy on pretty much everything.
- Jason Nunnelley
EVERYTIME I notice a market shift, lots of people call me an idiot. Noticing the mobile shifts underway in Europe is no different. More:
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Here's an example: http://thereallymobileproject.com/2009...
- Robert Scoble
The thing is, I talked with dozens of developers from across Europe this week and none of them said I was wrong. They said that there is a huge shift underway in Europe and that Nokia HAS lost mindshare and developer leadership and is underway to market share losses too.
- Robert Scoble
This is something you can see with your own two eyes in the street. I'm seeing a huge number of iPhones compared to last year in London.
- Robert Scoble
By Europe you mean Norway for eg. ? If so then it's more than natural!
- directeur
At one London session of entrepreneurs I spoke in front of, 30% of the audience had iPhones. That was unheard of last year.
- Robert Scoble
directeur: I am mostly talking about London, because i have the most experience there (been visiting there for years and watching mobile trends there).
- Robert Scoble
Nokia has lost leadership and lost support of developers and Europe no longer has phones that make me jealous.
- Robert Scoble
So you're saying the iPhone is popular? Um...what's next?
- Tyler Hurst
It is natural! Mobile in northern europe is more developed than anywhere else
- directeur
That is a HUGE shift from five years ago.
- Robert Scoble
Tyler: not just iPhone. Lots of non-Nokia phones. Blackberries. Androids.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, the infrastructures are ready, I bet better than in the USA
- directeur
The texting culture there, though, is causing Nokia to miss out on the web revolution that's happening in mobile globally.
- Robert Scoble
Having spent some time with the Nokia N97, the iPhone is a stunningly better offering...
- Buzz Bruggeman
Surely its no surprise that wealthy entrepreneurs would have an expensive mobile phone?
- Mark
directeur: yes, and the infrastructure is being used by iPhones.
- Robert Scoble
Buzz: it isn't even close, unfortunately.
- Robert Scoble
texting must die!
- Tim Hoeck
Robert- iPhone more popular than anything else? Is it the apps that are winning?
- Tyler Hurst
Mark: you are particularly clueless with that statement. Most entrepreneurs are very poor compared to others in society.
- Robert Scoble
welcome home Robert... :)
- Bill Heslin
Texting won't die..but the availability of apps on the iPhone will widen the gap..
- Buzz Bruggeman
Mark: entrepreneurs are WHO SHIFTS SOCIETY though. So what they do everyone else does shortly.
- Robert Scoble
Yes, but Nokia is fully invested in what's happening in the Valley, look at what they're doing at their Research Center here and look at the Valley companies they've bought
- Chris Nuttall
Robert, I'm excited to see where things go. I've been watching the market and yes believe there's is about to be a catalytic shift.
- Jason Cronkhite
Buzz: it's interesting that some of the coolest iPhone and Android apps are coming out of Europe.
- Robert Scoble
Seems pretty obvious to me. My egocentric analysis sees nothing of interest in their(Nokia's) arsenal.
- Geoff Schultz
Look at the distribution platform... no suprise...
- Buzz Bruggeman
Chris: yes, and what has Nokia done with that investment? Just because you own a great set of technologists doesn't mean you will be able to fix your UI problems and your lack of belief in the web.
- Robert Scoble
A friend told me there are more than 130k iPhones on the T-Mobile network here in the USA, e.g. all hacked...
- Buzz Bruggeman
Palm, iPhone, Android all treat the web as a first class citizen on their devices. Nokia doesn't. THe web SUCKS on Nokia phones.
- Robert Scoble
Chris works for Financial Times, by the way. I'm very interested in hearing his observations about what Nokia will do to fight the Palm/Android/iPhone push to web and great UIs.
- Robert Scoble
Yes, it's a puzzle to me how they have done so poorly with their handsets in the US, but they do believe in the web, after all they have rebranded themselves as an internet company. They are still way ahead in their thinking but not their implementation.
- Chris Nuttall
Chris: it's easy to say "we believe in the web." It's far harder to make the web work properly on your devices and make it a first class citizen.
- Robert Scoble
On the notion of, "We Are The Media", I was at a local cheerleader camp and it was really interesting to see the lines of parents who all had their phones taking video, pictures and sharing media. It was almost like what you see on the red carpet events.
- Jason Cronkhite
Chris... implementation seems to be a fairly important issue..
- Buzz Bruggeman
Scoble - ever use Skyfire? iPhone is going to take the "general public" share as its expected to for the next 3 years, but after that - if mobile technology grows into something more, Nokia will take it back with innovation. Something iPhone has yet to truly offer
- Enrique Gutierrez
Enrique: yeah, Skyfire looks interesting but isn't as nice as Android/Palm/iPhone approaches that are natively built in.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, Buzz, you're right, just think it's too soon to write them off, damn clever those Finns
- Chris Nuttall
Symbian OS is archaic and needs a new browser, certainly, but you can't dance the fact that iPhone has offered little innovation outside of marketing appeal. Nokia is where the forward advancement in mobile tech is going to come from - Apple has not ever and will not ever provide that (as they don't NEED to)
- Enrique Gutierrez
Finns are fine, bring out the sauna, but look rather at all the developers on the iPhone platform...
- Buzz Bruggeman
Enrique: it's interesting. I have been using a Nokia phone for the past week and it sucks. Copy and paste? Far harder than iPhone. Taking a picture? Far harder than iPhone. Loading an app? Far harder than iPhone. Finding a wifi network? Far harder than an iPhone. Pulling up a web page and typing into it? Far harder than an iPhone. THAT IS INNOVATION THAT MATTERS, NOT WHETHER YOU HAVE A ZEISS LENS!!!!
- Robert Scoble
Doesn't anybody ever have a problem with the iphone soft keyboard? I can't seem to get it right ended up back with the blackberry.
- Jim
Nokia has been struggling for years to keep up with competition innovation.
- Jason Cronkhite
Right now the bigger issue is what Apple has chosen to reveal in the iPhone OS, and what ATT can support! There aren't enough Finns to go around to match this..
- Buzz Bruggeman
"far harder" is FULLY subjective.
- Enrique Gutierrez
Robert...btw...how was London? Don't you just love it?
- Bill Heslin
Chris: true. You can never count out Nokia, they have lots of interesting research labs and interesting people working hard on mobile, but they did lose their leadership and now it will be very interesting to see how they will get it back.
- Robert Scoble
As for the softtkeyboard, Jim, it is good enough..
- Buzz Bruggeman
Enrique: no, it is NOT subjective at all. Just put a bunch of people in a room and measure it. I was with a bunch of geeks this week and we were forced to use Nokia phones and they really, really suck. You have no idea how badly they suck. And then when I talk with entrepreneurs and see that 30% have already switched, well, you are totally wrong and missing the boat.
- Robert Scoble
Oh cool, an Apple v. Nokia thread. Robert, good for you if you're right. However, please don't mistake London for the whole of Europe. Or developers with average users. And please don't ignore the fact that there's more mobile web traffic in Europe than in the US (which was, if I'm not mistaking, said in that Really Mobile post you linked to).
- Vlad Bobleanta
Yes, I think they need to strike more alliances here - the Intel one is a good start and supporting something like Moblin
- Chris Nuttall
Vlad: I noticed the same thing last year at LeWeb in France and at Davos in Switzerland and in Tel Aviv in Israel (where there isn't even an Apple store, or there wasn't last year).
- Robert Scoble
Vlad: average users ALWAYS follow developers. Why? Because cool apps drag people to new platforms. Eventually. And my subway trips in London prove that out too, lots of iPhones all over the place, just like in San Francisco.
- Robert Scoble
Chris: those alliances won't fix Symbian. I think Symbian needs to pull a Palm and start over.
- Robert Scoble
I've worked with Nokia phones for 11 years, they have definitely come out with shit phones, and crap OS works, but in the end - they thought of every aspect behind the iPhone 10 years ago with their "Yellow Egg"; and have strived to do more & do better. iPhone... no multitasking? crap camera quality? please, they trim & skim - and it's Apple, the abusers of the consumer. It's just how it is, Apple is a marketing platform, Nokia is a mobile tech company. Simple.
- Enrique Gutierrez
Slowly people will start shifting to soft keyboard smart phones.
- Keven
Yes Symbian sucks, but it's like Microsoft abandoning Windows asking them to do that, well, maybe not quite that severe a move
- Chris Nuttall
Enrique: again, the web is far more important to most people than having a sharp camera. This is provable. And having a great UI that's easy to use, along with tens of thousands of applications that are fun is more important.
- Robert Scoble
As for Nokia, they're a little busy selling 1.5 million phones a day, and most of those to "emerging markets" such as India. As for the browser in the N97, I beg to differ. The UX is not 100% "there yet", but then again, it knows what Flash is. And it's by far Nokia's best browser so far. So I guess in the end you have to make a choice. Pretty or functional. Just don't mistake one for the other. Or you could just install another browser if you don't like it. Because you can do that on a Nokia.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Vlad: I know the market share argument. It sucks as an argument. Alta Vista used to own the market share against Google too.
- Robert Scoble
How much money do you make selling cheap phones in India? Just curious?
- Buzz Bruggeman
Reducing Nokia to being simple a "nice camera" shows me that you're fixated on a biased notion.
- Enrique Gutierrez
Buzz: Nokia makes a lot, but that isn't my point. My point was that Europe used to be three to five years ahead in devices and now it is behind. THAT is a HUGE shift and one that is causing tons of developers to switch loyalties.
- Robert Scoble
Enrique: there is NOTHING ELSE on the Nokia phones that comes close to being better than the current iPhone. Sorry, you can keep that argument up but it does not hunt.
- Robert Scoble
Enrique: what matters most is delivering something that users will adopt and love. And, that is what Apple does well. Sorry to say that Nokia is just not delivering and has not for some time. I used to be and avid Nokia promoter (sold the product for years) but its time for them to deliver something to the market that performs and brings new value to use applicaitons.
- Jason Cronkhite
Robert, I know you're busy - but to keep things ... realistically put together for this discussion, I've already written on this matter: http://enrique-gutierrez.com/2009... and followed it up with http://enrique-gutierrez.com/2009...
- Enrique Gutierrez
Buzz: It doesn't matter. You're there, the No.1 brand in India for years in a row. And then you add services to the mix. And give people their first EVER internet experience (on a phone, yes). Because that's just the way it will be. More people will be introduced to the net on a phone than on a computer in a couple of years, if not already. And most of those people are in India, Africa,...
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- Vlad Bobleanta
It's too bad Nokia never managed to invent a good user experience while they were busy inventing everything else.
- Geoff Schultz
Jason, the problem with Nokia is US market centric for the most part. They have failed to introduce anything ground-breaking WITH service provider support since the Nokia 5190 (the first phone to introduce Apps, btw)
- Enrique Gutierrez
Well yeah. it's a now market.
- Patricia
Vlad, so true ... developing and emerging markets will also shine new light on potential use cases.
- Jason Cronkhite
Enrique: I've read your articles. They read like Nokia press releases. I've written them too. Here's my version of your article: http://scobleizer.com/2008... written MONTHS AGO. The thing is, I wrote it before the iPhone 3GS came out and before I had good face time with the N97. Today? Sorry, the N97 doesn't come close to the iPhone.
- Robert Scoble
I'd say you should look more towards the sony ericsson joint venture for the european handset firm with a better grasp on the market, even if their products have been a bit crap too. But then, I've never met a single phone yet that has been perfect. The iphone has its share of problems (the fact that after about 2 to 3 hours use the damn thing is dead, the touchscreen can be very hit or...
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- alphaxion
Jason: sorry, emerging markets are momentum plays. They ALWAYS FOLLOW what happened elsewhere. Name a single thing that's come up market. Just one.
- Robert Scoble
If by user experience, all of you mean learning curve, I agree. There's a learning curve with Symbian, there isn't with the iPhone. But, after that has gone, the user experience is very close. If you're just willing to try. If you're not, then yeah, the iPhone wins by far.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Robert: netbooks.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Netbooks lol
- Geoff Schultz
Vlad: you are missing my point by making it only about the iPhone. You are forgetting the Palm Pre and the Android OS. Those point the way to great UIs with great regard for the Web. Those are the #1 and #2 things consumers are caring about. THEY ARE DRIVING THE MARKET EVERYWHERE NOW.
- Robert Scoble
Vlad: netbooks were not developed in emerging markets, unless you say OLPC, which hasn't been very successful anywhere.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Not true, take a look at what has happened in Africa with crime (citizen mobilization) where new technologies have emerged because of constraints.
- Jason Cronkhite
There are lots of companies selling lots of Netbooks, and the ones built on Linux get returned to the sellers, e.g. no drivers..
- Buzz Bruggeman
Vlad: you're wrong about the user experience. I've learned to use a Nokia phone. I'm one of the world's leading users of Nokia phones for live video (I was first to do that at Davos, for instance) but it still takes more frustrating clicks to get to the web and the web sucks when compared to the iPhone, no matter how much learning you've done.
- Robert Scoble
Most end users don't want to try to learn something, They just want it too work for them easily.
- Kim Landwehr
Buzz: exactly, and Jason, that's not something that has gone from third world to first world, sorry.
- Robert Scoble
OLPC wasn't successful but it sort of defined a category which is a PERFECT example of what you can expect to come out of innovation for EM's CHEAP GEAR with yesterspec's
- Geoff Schultz
Geoff: you do realize that the OLPC was developed in Boston, right. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Kim... agreed, people want easy, productive maybe next...but easy is the most important, e.g. taking anyway event the slightest pain...
- Buzz Bruggeman
I'm not forgetting the Pre, Palm is forgetting the GSM/WCDMA world. I will remember them in Q4. And I'm not forgetting Android either, but I'm expecting a lot more from it in the future. Right now, I don't think the mass market takes it seriously the way it's starting to do with the iPhone, that is all. As for netbooks, Taiwan is not an emerging market, nor a developing one. But I...
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- Vlad Bobleanta
of coruse but it was designed with EMs in mind.
- Geoff Schultz
Buzz: actually, people will pick up more difficult things IF there's a compelling reason to do so. The thing is, iPHone has 40,000 compelling things that Nokia doesn't have: apps. The developers in Europe are building iPhone apps, they are NOT building Nokia apps.
- Robert Scoble
I have arguing with Netbook oems that the first one that builds a touch enabled/tablet/Netbook that runs Kindle reader software is going to kick ass...
- Buzz Bruggeman
Vlad: remember 1993? The Macintosh was way ahead of Windows. What happened in 1995? Windows became "good enough" and had FAR MORE APPS. That's why I am watching Android. The coolest developers are also building for Android. Apple has to be concerned that it's 1993 all over again. :-)
- Robert Scoble
But compelling and pain, perhaps argue for the long tail, I would love to see a distribution chart for iPhone apps, my guess is that the 80/20 rule pervails, e.g. 80% of the iPhone apps are either the top 20 or max top 20%..
- Buzz Bruggeman
netbooks remind me of the old Psion computers (in fact, Psion actually hold the trademark to the word netbook!)
- alphaxion
Buzz: No drivers? On an OS that ships with a netbook? LOL. One would think that's the first thing an OEM/ODM would care about. You know, it actually working. Anyway, who cares what OS they ship with, exactly? Thankfully Microsoft made XP cheap enough for netbooks so that it became a valuable proposition. You think people in emerging markets know what Linux is more than people in developed countries? They don't.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Bill: I had dinner with someone who had lunch with the queen, but that's the closest I got! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Vlad.. Windows 7 on a netbook is dazzling. Get one and try it..
- Buzz Bruggeman
Robert: agreed on apps. People develop for iPhone and Android because it is 100 times easier than for Symbian. That will change, but I wonder if it won't be too late.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Bill: we have this conversation EVERY TIME there are shifts. You should have seen my arguments with AOL'ers over the Web in 1995. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Buzz: I have a netbook and it's been running 7 since December.
- Vlad Bobleanta
What a successful mobile device has to have: 1.) OS 2.) Developers 3.) Network 4.) Hardware 5.) Sex appeal they are fashion accessories now.
- Geoff Schultz
Vlad.. and?
- Buzz Bruggeman
Bill: I still remember the kids who told me that Macintoshes were stupid, too, and that the world doesn't need mice and windows. Yeah, that went over very well.
- Robert Scoble
Why haven't you installed Linux on it...it's cheaper..
- Buzz Bruggeman
Buzz: And what? I don't understand what the point of your suggestion was. I use Win7 on all my computers. Therefore, I like it. A lot.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Why do people argue against shifts? Because they invested in old stuff and don't want to change. But change is happening and I'm going ot point it out.
- Robert Scoble
My point very simply is that the OS platform and all the apps that run on it are key.. there are no meaningful desktop apps on Linux, and the notion that we have bandwidth ubiquity is delusional...
- Buzz Bruggeman
Robert: good. I'm not arguing against a shift. Something is always changing, and that's good. Because it's thanks to competition, which itself is the best thing ever imho. However, deeming something dead (as opposed to not having a competitive edge anymore) seems a bit much to me. But again, you might be right. In which case in a couple of years I will gladly admit that you were.
- Vlad Bobleanta
these kinds of observations tend to be contentious outside of hard numbers -- people are touchy, you know ;-) -- but anecdotally... i just read the "Dirty Dozen Ugliest and Lamest Cell Phones" list (http://tech.msn.com/product...) and it's a funny look at some seriously BAD design. America has a phone on that list, as does Korea, Japan, and Israel. The other 8 crap phones are all European. Which is kind of surprising.
- Karim
Hence, until someone comes along with rich applications that are available either offline or in some 4G world where you always are on line...Microsoft will own huge chucks of this space..
- Buzz Bruggeman
Buzz: But I agree with that. I don't know why, but it seems to me you are associating netbooks with Linux. When most now ship with XP.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Vlad: I never said that Nokia was dead. I said it lost its leadership. That is a HUGE difference. Nokia will probably still be a profitable company for decades living off of its momentum.
- Robert Scoble
@robert I think some argue against them because too many people cry wolf about them. I mean, I agree with you about a change in the handset market, I do still think Europe will remain ahead of the US for quite some time in most other aspects of mobile comms. But, I wouldn't be surprised if a change there happened. An open mind is a good thing :)
- alphaxion
In the 3rd world the OEMs are trying to ship there own builds of Linux, trying to cut costs to the bone..
- Buzz Bruggeman
alphaxion: the neat thing about visiting a place once a year for years is you get to see shifts underway. This is a big one, and there's lots of UK developers who are poised to take advantage of it.
- Robert Scoble
Buzz: you have numbers for that? And one more thing, by netbooks I do not mean OLPC. That's on another level.
- Vlad Bobleanta
aye, attending tech events in places outside of London (I'd recommend the next time you come to the UK, you step outside of the M25 to see the real UK) you notice that a lot of people talk not only about iphone apps they're developing, but of the web apps they're crafting too. I think the biggest change that is happening is a much bigger uptake of mobile data in general, be it in phone handsets or in dongles strung off of laptops.
- alphaxion
alphaxion: my brother-in-law drives a bus in Newport, Wales, so I get there frequently and he says he's seen more iPHones too.
- Robert Scoble
Vald, sorry, just anectdotal info...because of our product, e.g. http://www.activewords.com/ , which seems to be the perfect storm beneficiary for Netbooks, I have been reading and talking to anyone/thing I can about Netbooks..
- Buzz Bruggeman
I agree that there's more iphones (I moved from a palm treo to one in december last year), I was just pointing out that there's more to the mobile market than what handset a person uses ;) I still think you should come to some of the tech meet ups in Leeds, Manchester and Sheffield.
- alphaxion
Scoble: what made netbooks so popular? The demand for small, light weight computing made for emerging markets. Now, the market has risen upstream because of constraint in the third world and made netbooks popular along with the timing of cloud computing.
- Jason Cronkhite
alphaxion: I watch what developers do. I have never seen a shift that the developers did NOT see first.
- Robert Scoble
Jason: netbooks are popular here, too. Why? Small low cost netbooks are popular. They didn't start being popular in the third world and move to popularity in Silicon Valley because of that.
- Robert Scoble
Netbooks are disposable computers...amortized on a 6 month basis,and there is a nuclear arms race going on, not HP's recent model with HDef screen..
- Buzz Bruggeman
Robert: I see Symbian as becoming less and less mass-market (of smartphones). This segment will probably end up dominated, in a few countries, by the iPhone. And yes, maybe the Pre and Android too. Symbian will become more niche, and it will (read:should) appeal more or mostly to power users. Because of its underlying functionality, modularity and customizability, which are all...
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- Vlad Bobleanta
And about netbooks, Robert. Sorry. No one thought the need for a small low cost notebook existed in the US before they saw the EEE. I do not mean consumers, but manufacturers.
- Vlad Bobleanta
And look how long it took the big guys, HP and Dell, to make their own. Always hoping this will just go away and they wouldn't need to sell anything with such small margins.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Vlad... "ignore" is the operative word, think easy...that's all I hear, e.g. easy to use, easy to read..the great bulk of the people I know with iPhones have no clue that an iPhone has any limitations..
- Buzz Bruggeman
Vlad: right. But I didn't get netbooks because they were developed for some poor country. I bought them because they were cool and only $400.
- Robert Scoble
Buzz: Cool then. But bad for them. Oh, and some day they will. In which case, unless iPhone OS 5 is anything different, they will need something more.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Maybe Nokia is waiting(developing) for Chrome OS for its phones
- Damian Holmes
Robert: the origination of netbooks where built because of constrained resources to solve other problems. They became popular here after seeing the effects of much simpler use cases because of the 3rd world. We only recognized the opportunity to innovate after the fact.
- Jason Cronkhite
Robert: True. But they were sold in poor countries at first. Which drew your (and other connected people's) attention to them. This created a demand. To which Asus and Acer, in their bid to win market share, responded. :)
- Vlad Bobleanta
And I've met plenty of developers that have backed the wrong horse ;) The iphone tho, I agree isn't the wrong horse in this case. Still, doesn't change that there is a general migration to mobile based internet connectivity instead of wired connection restricted to your home. Many of the mobile operators in the UK are giving away netbooks with a 3G dongle contract.
- alphaxion
Damian: LOL. That was it. That was why it isn't Android, they were waiting for Chrome OS. Now it makes sense.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Vlad: we're on the same page re: netbooks.
- Jason Cronkhite
Jason: Yup, it seems so. Good to not argue with every single person here :)
- Vlad Bobleanta
You make a lot more money being a fast follower than pioneer... Apple understands that...and so does Microsoft...
- Buzz Bruggeman
@jason as I mentioned, the netbook is a kinda evolution of the pocket computers from the likes of Psion (who have the trademark on the name "netbook").
- alphaxion
alphaxion: Yes, that trend is extraordinary imho. The more subsidized netbooks, the better. The more people connected to the internet easier, in more places, and not dependant on cables, the better. Oh crap, now I'm going to have to argue with everyone for this.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Buzz: that I do agree with completely.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Vlad: I am not sure it's true that netbooks went on sale in third-world countries first, but even if that's true, it's not why I bought one.
- Robert Scoble
Robert / Vlad: as Robert said, emerging markets are for momentum...well, Apple needs to look at these constrained and emerging markets to see how the product is used as I'm sure further innovation can be had because of circumstance.
- Jason Cronkhite
I didn't say it's why you bought one, I said it's why you were able to buy one.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Vlad: I don't agree with that thesis, either. Computers are always getting smaller and cheaper. But, let's get back to discussing mobile, cause even if you are right it really doesn't match the mobile shifts going on now and it doesn't explain why Nokia has lost its way.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I think Vlad & I are both saying that more innovation comes from circumstantial or constrained situations than more people give credit to or see.
- Jason Cronkhite
Robert: Agreed. I didn't want to hijack this, but you asked for an up-market example.
- Vlad Bobleanta
Jason: that's true. Vlad: yeah, but I don't see anyone marketing netbooks as "you should buy one because they are popular in India." While iPhones are marketed down market like that all the time.
- Robert Scoble
Bill: heheh. This is how I work out my jet lag. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I know but.........
- Bill Heslin
Bill: don't worry, I have a ton of Microsoft stuff coming in the morning (among other videos that I did in London).
- Robert Scoble
I think the key word in mobile is 'easy'. And this was pioneered by Apple. Which is why I keep coming back to them. It's easy to do this and that. Not much, but what you can do is easy. This is the key to success with average Joes, imho. However, for the so-called power users, I think the more options the better. The less artificially imposed limits, the better. It's how I see it. I...
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- Vlad Bobleanta
Robert: how do you feel about mobile commerce and entertainment i.e. live mobile consumption and mobile transactions?
- Jason Cronkhite
Yes there is a shift in terms of attention from developers. The driver is the cool and fast user experience and the easy integration with the cloud and cool new devices IMHO. Europe has to catch up and developers must define their objectives. Why? There are the end users with different phones and a developer should try to reach out more than 1% of the world market. Europe mobile technology must attract end users and developers. BTW: Readers should separate between current market share and a market shift.
- bishoph
iPhone has captured developers in a way only the Palm did 10 years ago. For this reason the iPhone is more compelling than the N97. Nokia's have been technically superior for years (internet tethering? come on Apple, Nokia's came with bluetooth modem drivers years ago) but Apple packages better, is easier to use and has attracted developers. Also, it's created a platform where the average Joe will be buying apps rather than the internet/gadget fans only. Technical superiority is only half the battle.
- David Reinhardt
Robert: the problem of your initial statement is that you're saying "Nokia is European and used to be ahead in terms of mobile phones development, and now it is not, thus Europe is now behind of USA in mobile terms", but you never justify why or how Nokia's lost leadership puts Europe behind USA mobile-wise.
- Marcos Marado
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Just curious about the usability once again @Robert Scoble. As I understand that u only have to slide down the lens cover of the N97 to activate the camera and then use the dedicated shutter button to take a photo, thus having the camera (and the screen) on a landscape mode like every other digital camera. U say that taking a photo with N97 (or some other Nokia device) is far more complex than taking a photo with iPhone. How much easier it is on the iPhone?
- Henrikki
Otherwise quite interesting discussion. Nokia is at the moment as weak as it's weakest link, which is the OS. I have been a bit dissapointed about the time it has taken them to implement touch and really focus on developers. The OS is the platform and that is going through a major transition to open software projekt. Nokia just can't abandon the OS and the platform and the transition takes time. Do they have the time, time will tell.
- Henrikki
There is absolutely no way Europeans would create their own proprietary OS for mobile devices to compete with the iphone and symbian. Nokia is BY FAR the biggest worldwide mobile phone producer, they sell about a billion mobile phones each year, no matter how many rich people can afford to buy iphones at your conferences.
- Charbax
Android 2.0 is ready in September, that one will enable dozens of new manufacturers to come with iphone-killer devices, absolutely FOR SURE. Archos which I am the biggest fan of, they are french and making an Android phone with HD video playback, HD video record, up to 500GB storage, 4.8" 800x480 OLED touchscreen, Tivo-like video recording, DVB-T and DVB-SH mobile TV reception and...
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- Charbax
I was in West Africa last year and it was pointed out to me by a European working there that even though it's a poor country, everyone has a Nokia. And it was almost true. Every mobile phone I saw was a Nokia. They were intrigued by my iPhone but there is no way they could have used one to it's full potential. Compared to Europe and the US, Africa and Asia are huge emerging markets full...
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- Gilbert Harding
This whole conversation is cracking me up! Keep it up, Robert. Of course, a handset isn't the only measure of markets, technologies or leadership in mobile. I will add this point to Robert's observations. The highest ARPU (average revenue per user) globally is in the USA. The greatest number of talk time per month on a mobile happens in the USA @ almost 1000 minutes/month/per user. We...
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- Debi Jones
I'm in the UK now and have also noticed the shift towards more touch sensitive screens over here... my brother and nieces have had touch sensitive LG mobiles and other brands for some years now, way before I got my iPhone last year. They are all still laughing at my ancient PAYG Nokia phone that I use over here for calls and txts when travelling. It's like a museum piece compared to their cool touch mobiles.
- Sally Church
@Henrikki as someone who owns an N97 and an iPhone, they are like night and day. The iPhone you just touch the camera icon on the screen and go, the N97 took me over a week to work out how to take a photo and a year later I still have no clue how to use many of the functions including setting up email on it. The iPhone is intuitive and doesn't need a manual.
- Sally Church
@SallyChurch I think you'll find you have an N95. The N97 has only just been released, so there's no way you could've owned it for a year. My wife has an N95 and the only things she uses are the phone functions & to take pictures - everything else hasn't been touched.
- Edd McArdle
I just decided! FriendFeed is the best kept secret from Twitter. You better be careful Robert Scoble..what you wish for!!!
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I just hope the Twitter bots/spammers/marketing consultants and their ilk don't hijack FriendFeed!
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Yes, that's why I told Robert S. not to try to hard. You know what? I don't think it will happen because with twitter you can just type 140 char and run off. Here if you run off you won't make friends.
- Myrna
hahahaha i was just thinking that FriendFeed is safe until we get the Oprah's and the aplusk's here and then it's all downhill
- Bhowmik Shah
It will never happen because of what I said above. The 'twitter gang' is not committed to discussion. Maybe they don't have time.
- Myrna
yes you are right Myrna, twitter isn't a commitment thing in a way. While friendfeed is more engaging and as Mahendra mentioned in the other thread it has a far more richer experience. Not trying to put twitter down because i think its great but then if a products user base isn't willing to actively engage newcomer's then i don't see how it can have a progressive future ... and yeah i can't have a conversation like this on twitter :)
- Bhowmik Shah
Holden, disjointed?
- Myrna
I know the twitter gang. It's not possible to have a discussion like this with more than 2 people in real time.
- Myrna
Case in point Myrna: I saw a tweet today, don't remember who it was from, but they said to someone, that they just posted 10 tweets, "which one are you replying to? be more specific".
- Bill Heslin
Did that make sense? :)
- Bill Heslin
Yes Bill, which tweet? Shrugs shoulders....gotcha, that's why FF is easier. It's all there for you nicely packaged and endless creativity is possible here, not mentioning the great people that you can meet all over the globe. I became good friends with an Iranian guy just because I liked the beach photos he put up.
- Myrna
Holden, the question is how big is your twitter stream and you probably talk one subject, yes?
- Myrna
Here new people pop up daily, friends of friends.
- Myrna
Well that's the answer. 50 people.
- Myrna
You are in a clique lol.
- Myrna
You meant to say 'can' meet but oops Freudian slip
- Myrna
Holden, I've been on twitter for 2 years or more. I find FF more satisfying. I can post artwork, links. People comment. I still get comments from twitter friends when I let the posting from FF go through but I use twitter to follow journalists mostly.
- Myrna
Yeah Both FF + Pownce were Headz + Tails above Twitter* It's always a shame when Crappy Platforms + Software ie MicroPOOP get forced on Society simply cuz they're adopted by da Sheep* 1 thing I find truly Amazing is the Huge Number of 3rd Party Apps developed fer Twitter!! I think that may be the Ace in the Hole for Google's Chrome OS to unseat Windoze!! ;))
- Billy Warhol
I understand. But how would you compare the way we're communicating right here as opposed to doing it in a tweet. I'm not telling you to leave twitter. I'm just saying its good for something else, not same as FF.
- Myrna
LOL Billy. See Holden how people fly in and out.
- Myrna
Not that they're incapable of discussions. It's just easier to discuss here...easier
- Myrna
It's much easier to talk here and it's a much richer experience.
- Kimber Scott
Richer, Kimber, that's what I said only I said upscale and more fulfilling..just semantics :)
- Myrna
Holden, I can say to Kimber right now, hey Kimber, I just posted some gorgeous flowers on my page. And she knows where to go.
- Myrna
I have to go out for 1 hour. Sorry to go but you can continue. Promise I'll be back. :))
- Myrna
bubye Myrna. Talk to ya laterz
- Bill Heslin
Don't go too far while I'm gone Holden and Bill. :))
- Myrna
Where's Holden and Bill?
- Myrna
haha
- Myrna
Did you see my post about shutting your computer off?
- Myrna
Great!
- Myrna
Bill in da house...but I have to go rouge....lol;
- Bill Heslin
hmm Bill, pardon me for being naive, but what's that?
- Myrna
Ditto about rouge?
- Myrna
forget it Myrna...lol...love ya...signing off
- Bill Heslin
Billy, you are a real trouble maker! LOL I think if you leave Twitter it will go out of business! Nice to see you on FF
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Hmm it's Igor.
- Myrna
Yeap! ;-)
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Holden: Yes, I've had entertaining discussions on Twitter when there was complete misunderstanding of which tweet one was responding to. Seriously funny stuff. :)
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
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