When I first came on to ff today, this is what I saw at the top of the feed. As I leave, it is at the top again. Thus, I both start and end the day smiling.
- Katy S
It looks just like Derrick is about to say "Goo goo ga ga"
- Internet's Tad
I'm just gonna go ahead and let this be my embarrassing photo meme entry.
- Derrick
lol! aww, that's not a positive outlook.. there are plenty of people out there really happy in their marriages. It takes a bit of work on both ends, but it's not impossible to have a happy ending.
- Maria
Lol. The last one with all the babies is the funniest.
- Alan Le
Sounds an awful lot like my daily high school life, I swear. :)
- Zach Flauaus
I'm at stage two still--and its been three years!!
- Terence
Wow thats definitely depressing and most certainly not how I get down.
- Nicholas Kreidberg
Thanks... it's *semi* safe, it does include some f-bombs. Wish I could easily shrink it down a bit more. Anyway, it was kinda sad :( I keep hoping things won't go that way... this Exciting Phase has lasted for a solid 6 months so far...
- Kamilah Gill
Reminds me of the joke about the phases of sex... The 1st kind of sex is Smurf Sex. This kind of sex happens when youfirst meet someone and you both have sex until you are blue in the face.The 2nd kind of sex is Kitchen Sex. This is when you have been withyour partner for a short time and you are so horny you will have sexanywhere, even in the kitchen.The 3rd kind of sex is Bedroom Sex....
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- LogEx
Norm Ornstein - veteran analyst at the conservative American Enterprise Institute - said: “This time there may be a legitimate debate to be had over the dollar’s reserve status, but Sarah Palin is not qualified to participate in it.”
- Anthony Citrano
from Bookmarklet
That quote atleast, I agree with in content. Maybe not in principal, but as a singular point by itself.
- Maxamad (Amazigh)
Watching GI JOE: THE RISE OF COBRA. While entertaining and amusing at times, it never reaches the level of full-tilt awesome that this video reaches. - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Where is this FriendFeed in-crowd I keep hearing about and what do I have to do to to get into it? I'm sick of not having any comments or likes on my junk. I think I'm just going to quit FriendFeed.
If you posted your junk, I'm sure I would comment.
- Dragon Goldmaple
I think I can go to bed happy with that image in my head.
- Jill is sugar free
See what I mean? This was posted 12 minutes ago and only has 6 likes and 6 comments. If I was part of the inner circle of FF, it would have a bajillion likes and comments already. This site is just a popularity contest.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
NOW IT ONLY HAS FIVE LIKES WHAT DO YOU THINK NOW :( :( :(
- Dragon Goldmaple
LMFAO! I know you did not just unlike my post...LOL! I'll have to remember that technique in the future. Too funny.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
With the current state of the economy, I believe you forgot the new policy: you have to pay $1 for every like or comment. :)
- imabonehead
Well, that just proves this site is a rip-off. I'm going back to MySpace
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
Rah, do I have to smite you like I did that "other" person on FriendFeed who visited Myspace? Don't test me, I'll do it
- Holden Page
I hope you felt punished, I have since forgiven you.
- Dragon Goldmaple
i would say something, but was told too never argue with the coach
- chaz2b
You cannot smite me. You may be the God of FF, but I am Rah, God of the Sun. I am unsmiteable, my friend.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
Oh, hey now, omnipotent sun God. I don't comment more, because I'm not at all sure that FriendFeed is ready for (some of) my opinions. I mostly lurk on FF, but I'd miss you if you weren't here.
- Yvette Ferry
So you're saying I'm part of the inner circle of FF, Rahsheen?? I get pretty good responses, but I'm nowhere near the most popular person here. I think they key is *pictures*. You haven't posted any in a long time.
- Kamilah Gill
Pictures, Kamilah? How long do you think it would take us to learn to draw like you?
- Bruce Lewis
Oh, just for the record, I was totally kidding here because, once again, I was seeing a bunch of "Woe is me, nobody is liking my junk" threads and I just don't understand why people complain about this type of thing on FF, but it seems they just shut up and deal with it everywhere else.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
I think it's probably because it's more noticeable on FF. On Twitter, no one else sees how many @ mentions other people get. However, on FF, you see everyone's comments to every person you're following (on top of that, you see the entire thread when someone you're following comments on someone else's post). It makes it more obvious that you're not as popular as other people. Some of us...
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- Curtiss Grymala
And those who whine about it become even less popular. I love those who put up content that is interesting, engaging, entertaining... If the only reason folk are on twitter, FF or other social media is straight-up, self-centred marketing. they bore me and get deleted. I'm good with a balance, but all marketing and score keeping without sincere content leaves me cold.
- Fossil Huntress
Hmmm. Wolf. We can't see the "bunch of threads" you see. FYI.
- Yvette Ferry
You get into the "in" crowd by being here a lot, posting interesting stuff and being an active part of the conversation. But you already knew that, lol
- LANjackal
How come Coach of FF quit in this way? ;)
- ashish
Looking for some high socks I can wear for derby that will be acceptable to skate in (leggings cover above the knee pads but I've got nothing from knees to skates). This site has more socks than you can shake a stick at!
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
from Bookmarklet
I'm just happy that they have some that are colorful (after all, it IS derby) but are made of something other than nylon. I can't skate wearing something the texture or thickness of tights, I slide around in my boots...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I love Sock Dreams! If I had a mint, I could drop it there. :-)
- Jenny R.
You need those crazy patterned thick toe socks that fit like gloves for your feet. They are great for skating and would help with that issue you have with your feet sliding in your skates, causing you to try to grip the insides with your toes, leading to those cramps you complained about. Check out these: http://www.sockdreams.com/_shop... and these: http://www.sockdreams.com/_shop...
- April Russo (app103)
Are you excited about the new movie on Roller Derby. Do you think it will bring more fans?
- Victor Ryden
"DETROIT – General Motors Co. said Wednesday it would shut down its Saturn brand after an agreement with Penske Automotive Group Inc. to acquire it fell apart." -- I wasn't aware that Saturn was going bye bye, interesting...
- Nicholas Kreidberg
from Bookmarklet
:( This makes me sad. My first ever "new" car was a Saturn. It was purple. I loved it.
- Her Lindsay-ness
I guess you can do that with a brand if you are big enough and the US citizens are paying for it. Perhaps a new deal being put together that would allow Penske to have it staffed and managed so they would feel better about it. If not it should have been sold off and the proceeds put back into the coffers of the US Government, but not subject to lending by the federal reserve. :)
- James Stratford
Lindsay: My first ever new car was also a Saturn! Back in 1998 I believe.
- Nicholas Kreidberg
Penske turned down the deal because GM would not commit to building parts to repair the cars on the road.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
You are so technologically p*wned in about 5 to 7 years.......s'okay though adults will be obsolete by 2027 anyway.
- suzanne
why kids always like the glowing things?
- testbeta
i think it is natural instinct of even an adult human or even animals and insects, do kids find colorful things interesting? we try to paint all their things and surroundings, have seen even kids' schools painted colorfully
- testbeta
my sister says wow what a wonderful set of dolls hahahahaha
- testbeta
Has anyone considered the fact that this may all be part of some massive cloning conspiracy by the Grays to create the most perfect, gorgeous and smartest (and deadliest) babies on the planet? We could in actual fact be watching some secret technology-weapon training session.. And knowing how smart Louis is, they could be doing it right in public, the last place we'd look. We're through the looking glass here people... Best I say no more unless they send... *thud*
- Johnny Worthington
"We know she has breasts, though the unveiling of their full bared glory remains, teasingly, for the future. We know she likes to kiss boys and girls. We know she has a face to die for, as several unlucky victims discovered this weekend in Jennifer's Body. But can Megan Fox act?"
- Jason Huebel
from Bookmarklet
I think that she's unattractive, irritating, and over-hyped.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I concur with Akiva. Next move, equally unloved singing career?
- Mo Kargas
If FriendFeed had a way to filter out keywords, "Megan Fox" would definitely be filtered out of my main feed. I'm so sick of hearing about her.
- Rochelle
Ride the hype wave now, Megan. Your chance on Dancing with the Stars is patiently waiting for you.
- Akiva Moskovitz
@Rochelle and Akiva, I totally agree. She used to be nice to look at (before the surgery and eating disorder), but the more I learn about her and the more movies she's in, the less attractive and the more boring she gets for me.
- Jason Huebel
Sometimes, boobs just aren't enough...
- Jason Huebel
She might be able to, but hasn't yet
- RAPatton
from iPod
Are they even real? ;) I think she is a cute girl, but someone who is so young and already had tons of plastic surgery, and in her interviews, always says the dumbest things, I can't think of as attractive.
- Shevonne
All that aside, her being hated by production personnel is all I need to know.
- Christopher Harley
@RAP, unless you can have a personality surgically added, she's shown us the limits of her ability. Eye-candy only.
- Jason Huebel
Rochelle, the script: http://friendfeed.com/friendf... and the customization: var withWordsToHideArr = ["Megan Fox", "CHILD FREE", "YOUR ALL SO EVILL", "passive aggressive code"];
- Micah Wittman
(great. now I have to see this in "My discussions")
- Micah Wittman
I think she's great to look at so model yes, actress no.
- Bryan Lee
*Nods in agreement with Bryan's statement*
- Terence
By the way, Megan Fox will be on SNL tonight in 5 min for CST/EST.
- Bryan Lee
Haven't really watched SNL in years-- except for the stuff that shows up on YouTube.
- Jason Huebel
from IM
Thanks, Micah. I keep forgetting about that. :)
- Rochelle
SNL stopped being interesting to me the moment I was introduced to Saturday Nights in NYC/Boston 5 years ago. This sentiment still holds true today.
- Terence
she was funny in "how to lose friends and alienate people" although the character may have been autobiographical :D
- Mike Chelen
" Today my friend sent me a bumper sticker that said, “Do you know that gullible said slowly sounds like ‘green bears’?”. I spent 30 minutes trying to get gullible to sound like green bears until I realized that it didn’t. " (via #FML)
Whoever invented the BRAT diet is a genius. I've been eating bananas and yougart. Need to go to the store to get more. Bananas are the wonder fruit. :P
One frickin' article - why aren't they flooding the space? Where is the news of updates, rescue efforts? WHy isn't this topic trending?
- Mona Nomura
from IM
Larry King, Mackenzie Phillips, and prison porn. Just another Saturday night on the news networks.
- Steven Perez
Yes, why is there no news here in the states on this terrible disaster. I would not even know about it if it were not for my son who lives in Manila. Mom in Texas
- Evelyn Nichols
I've been to Manila and seen the living conditions with my two eyes - my friends live in high rises or communities where they can afford immediate disaster relief, but what about those who can't? Who is looking out for them??
- Mona Nomura
from IM
Watching the coverage on Aljazerra,
- Kim Landwehr
Why is it Ok for everyone to call Kanye a "nigger" just because he did something stupid? Post-racial America my ass. http://search.twitter.com/search...
Don't get me started on the exuding ignorance displayed by Mr.West last night, and the reverberating outcry of "a few" on Twitter, Celebrity Blogs, and Newswires. He made a fool of himself( which should be noted, he did apologize off camera for), but for some people to interject and call him the N-Word, supports the idea that when a minority makes fault in the eyes of the public he is not judged alone for his actions, but his actions represent his culture.
- Terence
Like I said, maybe I missed people calling Joe Wilson racial slurs....
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
Well the age difference between the viewers of the VMAs and the people watching the president's speech is probably one reason. Another being that being called a "honkey" isn't going to wound anyone, but people who want to lash out at KW expect that a slur will cause a greater response.
- Dragon Goldmaple
Andrea, so if these people are looking to spur on some sort of campaign by using that racial slur, they best expect a bashlash from those who won't tolerate someone being called such--especially with a highly racially accepting country( more or less) and an African American President/First Lady in the White House.
- Terence
To be fair, I did see some "cracker"-tastic Joe Wilson references on twitter right after... but that's a pretty small number compared to the reaction to Kanye (and while negative, cracker just is NOT the same). I just don't know why the slur is necessary - call him the ass he is, and be done with it.
- Jennifer Dittrich
Why is it ok to assume that "everyone" used that term?
- Glen Campbell
Terence, I don't know what kind of response you are expecting from me.
- Dragon Goldmaple
Kanye was at worst impolite and stupid. That's no excuse for racism.
- Chris Nixon
Jennifer: I've never really understood the term 'cracker'. What does it mean and why is is offensive?
- Chris Nixon
Chris: UD has a pretty good def (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define...). It's definitely negative, but nowhere near as bad as most of the derogatory terms for minorities. Yeah, I don't want to be associated with slave drivers, but I've been called things that offend me more.
- Jennifer Dittrich
I just now realized what that really says... I thought when I saw this several times yesterday and up till now that it says "This is an Alpaca, says Derrick, the Gay of FriendFeed." Which is at least as funny as what it really says, to me. Somehow it indicated that only gay people REALLY know what an Alpaca is.
- Her Lindsay-ness
My (at the time 14-year-old) son argued porn and censorship with a FCC Commissioner and people are up in arms that the President is talking with their kids? This country is just so idiotic sometimes. I guess they forgot what the last President was doing on 9/11. That is right, talking with school kids. Sigh.
It amazes at all of the lows people do to bring the President down. It's rather pathetic.
- Minu Nianda
Heaven forbid anyone just step back and thinks people could be up to a couple good things, good grief.
- Chris
Sadly, I think that (general) America has forgotten that every society before us has crumbled, be it from war, poverty, starvation, political dispute every society has fallen. It's just a ticker now as to when we follow suit.
- Adam
Please. I have no problem with our President talking to our kids. As long as I'm in the room as well in order to call his BS. No matter who the President is at the time.
- Chris Kalaboukis
completely different - bush was reading to students - not pitching his agenda. read the paper the dept of education sent to the schools. and you liberals forget the last time a president spoke to school kids was in 91 when Bush Sr talked about staying off of drugs - and you liberals screamed and yelled that it was inappropriate. now its ok. i love the liberal hypocrisy.
- Tony Kanzia
Chris: you sir are an idiot. You can do that at home.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Typical liberal - if you don't agree with them, then you're an idiot. What a shocking response.
- Tony Kanzia
I took my son to see a Whitehouse and President I despised.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Chris, you think teachers are any less fallible? Do you accompany your children to school and sit with them throughout the day to call BS on things a teacher might say as well?
- Andru Edwards
This is all so ridiculous. If you don't agree with what he's saying, teach them to be proud of that opportunity, teach them to listen to their President, and then talk to them about the things you don't agree with when they get home. Don't conservatives believe in family values any more?
- Jesse Stay
Tony: I live this stuff. Have you taken your son to see a President you didn't like? I have.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Chris & Tony, thanks for being on hand to demonstrate the exact kind of intolerance that Robert is talking about.
- Jeff Harbert
what i think got everyone up in arms was the curriuculm that went along w/ the president's speech. while this has since been taken down, people feel they are being told from the government what to teach their kids
- Jonathan Jesse
E Pluribus Unum - "Out of one, many". Once the President is chosen, we all have to unite. We don't have to agree, but he is still the representative of this nation and we should respect, and be proud of that.
- Jesse Stay
Tony how is Obama pitching his agenda to kids when he's simply telling them to stay in school? Give me a break.
- Minu Nianda
or that bush sr. talked with school children as did reagan. i suppose it's only ok if repubs do it (shocker).
- Kayce Maisel
I find it even more fantastic that parents don't think their kids can think for themselves.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Teaching our kids not to respect the President takes away that unity. If we don't agree, we should instead be sharing what we don't agree with, not removing the opportunity altogether. This is ridiculous! (note that I was saying the same thing to things the liberals were doing to Bush as well)
- Jesse Stay
Jesse Stay- You hit the "nail on the head" so beautifully!
- earl wallace
Complete idiots are people who think that their kids hearing a few words from ANYBODY are going to hold sway over the impact of their parents, their environment and ability to think freely.
- suecosby
@tony i agree with you on most of the comment. the problem with the speech i had was the accompaning lessons, since removed from the d ept of educations website
- Jonathan Jesse
You know, I just read the speech, and I don't see ANY political agenda in it, much less a liberal one. "And that's what I want to focus on today: the responsibility each of you has for your education. I want to start with the responsibility you have to yourself." Sounds pretty conservative to me. Read it here: http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009...
- John Craft
For those on this thread who are freakin' paranoid about Obama pushing a political agenda on little children, here are his prepared remarks. http://www.whitehouse.gov/MediaRe... You can now STFU about it. You're welcome. :)
- Helen Sventitsky
Jonathan: the "offending" lesson was what could you do to help the President.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
@jesse i don't think anyone has said anything about teaching their children to disrespect the president, just that they don't agree w/ what he says
- Jonathan Jesse
Let's all join hands and recite the pledge of allegiance. Come on. I know you want to.
- Sean Montgomery
from iPhone
Jonathan: I disagreed greatly with what Bush did but I still took my son to see him and meet with his Deputy Press Secretary.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Jonathan I see people flat out telling their kids they can't listen to the President. That sounds like disrespect to me.
- Jesse Stay
Maybe school SHOULD be about learning where other people are coming from.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
It is up to parents after school to teach them their own values.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
In Arizona, kids have to get permission slips to listen to the President. That's disrespectful to me.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: it is worse than disrespectful. Where were theywhen Bush spoke to kids?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Jesse: yeah. Gotta have a permission slip to learn.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Let's see, how does it go? I pledge allegience to Robert Scoble...wait that's not it.
- Sean Montgomery
Robert, you're absolutely right... but I can't help but wonder where the promises were from this administration on working across the aisle and having full transparency. I think this administration has provided the fanatical opposition with all the ammunition it needed to take situations like this and blow them up. Once again, I agree that all children should be able to hear the President speak without opposition. I just think this administration is blowing the PR front.
- Douglas Karr
Robert I am giving you a fist bump for this man. Well said!!!!!!!!
- Joe
@robert i think the heart of the problem is what you stated "Parents should teach values" and i don't think that is happening whether political, religious or moral and too many people are relying on the school system to do so.
- Jonathan Jesse
Helen Sventitsky- I just read Obama's speech and I don't think I could have put it any better' I do not detect any undercurrents or subliminal manipulation. I heard the same advice when I graduated from high school.
- earl wallace
"too many people are relying on the school system to do so." - and this is President Obama's fault how? Are you saying that, since the parents aren't doing their job of teaching values, no one should be allowed to talk to their kid about values?
- John Craft
Robert - I'm a conservative but agree with your original point. POTUS should be able to speak to students. You have to acknowledge that if W. had tried to do the same thing (national satellite address) to students, liberals would've been just as outraged as many conservatives are now.
- Paul Goldsmith
Let's face it - there's a significant portion of this country's population that, if Obama gave a speech about puppies being cute, would launch into an apoplectic rage randomly spewing the words 'liberal' and 'socialist.
- John Craft
Paul: you are wrong. Bush spoke to students and I don't remember anyone so angry.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Really? Bush gave a national address to school kids? I honestly did not know that.
- Paul Goldsmith
@robert, Bush 41 spoke to students in '91 and there was opposition from the Dems.
- Kurt Starnes
Kurt: I will take your word on that. That is stupid too.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
This is an amazing opportunity. Until now it simply wasn't possible for a single President to speak to an *entire* nation of school kids. Until now it was only possible to do it in person on a school-by-school basis. When I was growing up it was an extreme privilege to have the President visit your school. We should be embracing that! I don't care if you agree with Politics or not.
- Jesse Stay
Kurt: will we have a better country where kids are encouraged to learn and think critically or are they going to learn that politics is like sports?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
There was opposition from Dems in '91, but there was no ranting and raving that Bush Sr was going to indoctrinate school kids.
- Rene Wirtz
@Robert Watched a great documentary on text books and our kids are NOT encouraged to learn and think critically. They are misguided. That's one of the key downfalls with our education system... which is controlled by people trying to indoctrinate their own beliefs and avoid criticism from any extremes.
- Douglas Karr
It's funny I've been so inured by the idiocy, venom & deception coming from the White House for the past 8 years I have a hard time even grokking there are people who don't view the new guy as a massive breath of transparent, humanistic fresh air. And also that a US president talking to our kids could be a bad thing. Altho the guys in this thread who disagree may not be idiots, generously I would at least characterize them as "Fox-addled".
- Thom Kennon
@Robert - I'm with you on those thoughts re kids learning to think critically. I may not agree with Obama on many things, but I would encourage my Daughter (almost 11 y.o.) to listen to any of his speeches. I do think there is some hypocrisy on this school speech issue, though. FWIW.
- Kurt Starnes
Just for the record, I think it's awesome that the President has the opportunity for a national address to students. Great opportunity for the President and children alike.
- Douglas Karr
1991: "The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students," the New York Times quoted House Majority Leader Richard A. Gephardt (D-Mo.). "And the president should be doing more about education than saying, 'Lights, camera, action.'" Decent article on the history of these school speeches here: http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs...
- Kurt Starnes
@Thom transparent? Like the close-door, one-sided bills that have been rammed through? Stop watching Fox OR MSNBC. Start reading http://factcheck.org/
- Douglas Karr
BTW, I wasn't following the Bush 41 school speech in '91, but would think the opposition to Obama is very likely much more heated than it was for Bush 41.
- Kurt Starnes
Kurt: OK. So where will we be in eight years? Will your guy speak to school kids?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
@Robert - I don't have a guy or a party that represents me (See Jesse's sentiments). :-\ In an ideal world, Presidents would speak to kids apolitically and all parents would support such speeches. And I would ride off into the rainbow on my white unicorn.
- Kurt Starnes
@Kurt @Robert Everyone should have the right to speak and be heard... what are we teaching our children through censorship of our very own President? Regardless of whether or not his speech is political, it should not be fought. He is OUR President and OUR childrens' President. PS: Robert... don't you mean in 3 1/2 years? ;)
- Douglas Karr
I just had to laugh at the person who said Obama was transparent. Wow. Don't read much do you? Obama just made sure 8 months of Presidential White House visits will remain secret. How about those meetings with drug companies, huh?
- Spencer
@Douglas - I generally agree with you. But, just as Obama has the right to give the speech, folks have the right not to listen, even though I think all should listen. Some conservatives seem to have missed the point that neither schools nor the WH require *mandatory* viewing! Folks still have a choice and this, to me, makes all of the protestations seem so silly.
- Kurt Starnes
@Kurt we agree... and I also don't fall for the rainbows and unicorns.
- Douglas Karr
In fairness, I think the ONLY real objections were over the slip that the president wanted children to tell him how they were going to help him. Most people don't like the idea of indoctrinating children. They didn't want their child coming home to harass them about why healthcare reform wouldn't pass, etc. This might be a paranoid nutter fear, but for all the political manipulation many parents are used to via their children. My children are constantly bringing home political notes about taxes, funding.
- Jason Nunnelley
This whole debate is sorta silly. If you don't want your children indoctrinated, then listen what the man has to say then give them your opinion -- teach them the value of free speech which is to let all ideas out into the world and let the good ones stand. Taking your kid to the White House to se a President you hate? Makes perfect sense to me.
- Dean Rodgers
Wait a second don't we spend years indoctrinating our kids on everything from how to eat properly to what sports team to follow? I guess it's just other people's indoctrination we don't want them exposed to? ;)
- Eoghann Irving
Eoghann, // I AM NOT COMPARING THE PRESIDENT TO THE KKK // But, how would you feel about your child attending a meeting where they taught that certain races were immoral, corrupt or otherwise less worthy. Sure, you could just explain that the bigot they listened to was wrong. But, children are impressionable. That's exactly why we work to brainwash... ahem, excuse me, train them young about things like pollution, recycling, civic responsibilities, etc. It's why schools have them to recite the pledge.
- Jason Nunnelley
For the record, I'm looking forward to my children listening to the president. It will make for good dinner conversation.
- Jason Nunnelley
My point is that sending someone to school and then complaining because they might be "indoctrinated" is a ludicrous position. Of course they will be indoctrinated. That's why we're sending them there! The objections to Obama's speech that I have seen are entirely party political and not motivated by any real concern for social or moral damage.
- Eoghann Irving
Jason, FWIW I did attend a meeting that told me exactly that when I was about 11 at a local baptist church. There was a book and tape burning afterward. My mother was mortified when she came to pick me and my sister (9) up. Neither my sister nor I was 'impressionable' enough to take what we were told at face value, and we had a very lengthy conversation with my mom about what we thought...
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- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
@Jason: you hit on something crucial. There's a lot of white folk (especially here in the South) that do not want the president to talk to school kids, because it may just empower black kids.
- Rene Wirtz
Eoghann Irving, well sorry. I reserve the right to choose what indoctrination I subject my children to and I don't much care whether others think I'm backward or ignorant for reserving that right as a parent. I consider one's refusal to exercise that right cowardly. Even allowing my child to attend public school, and attend the Obama presentation is a decision that is mine to make. I won't whine or complain. I'll take physical action to stop people from doing anything to my child I don't like.
- Jason Nunnelley
Tina, I can't defend the position taken by a minority of paranoid parents that their children shouldn't be exposed to the president's presentation. But, I do defend their right to be notified and that decision belongs to the parent. I think withholding your child's attendance is a poor decision. But, I think the suggestion that parents don't have the right to direct their children's education and experiences in childhood is unacceptable in a "free" society. I determine who trains my child, nobody else.
- Jason Nunnelley
Jason Nunelley, I'm curious where you think I said that you didn't have the right to raise your children any way you see fit. Or that it was ignorant or backward to reserve that right. I don't think I made either statement. My point remains that this isn't about any real concern for the welfare of the children. It's a politically motivated stunt.
- Eoghann Irving
Eoghann Irving, you said "sending someone to school and then complaining because they might be 'indoctrinated' is a ludicrous position." That statement indicated to me that you think taking action to limit said indoctrination is likewise ludicrous. The rest of my statement wasn't aimed at you personally or your comments but more the generic conversation. There are lots of people openly calling concerned parents racist and stupid for even suggesting that the curriculum shouldn't be political.
- Jason Nunnelley
What I'm trying (and perhaps failing) to argue is for people to give the real reason they are pulling their children from school. It's not because they're "being indoctrinated" which is a vague phrase that has negative connotations which makes it hard to argue against. It's because of something specific. And the reason they're not giving a clear reason is that it isn't really about the...
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- Eoghann Irving
Rene Wirtz, this is a major disconnect between reality and perception. People who don't like Obama's tactics aren't all racists. They're not fearful that black children will see his example and obtain an education, get a better job, etc. They're fearful that Obama's policies will usher in big Orwellian government. I'm hopeful that Obama will inspire black students. But, I don't want his legislation to pass. I'm also southern, but that doesn't mean I'm a bigot.
- Jason Nunnelley
jason totally onboard with your statement, though i know it will get me some less than lovely responses. i definitely do not want Obama's policies to to become embedded because I think they are the wrong ones, not because I want to see him personally fail. I think the best chance for the country to succeed is if his policies sputter
- Zachary Adam Cohen
Eoghann Irving, I agree with you. The Republican "protect the children" spin is disgusting. But, I disagree with you on this idea that none of the parents are sincere. A significant number of parents don't like having their children used as pawns. I tire of it in my redneck, backwoods southern town (so you can all assume it's because I'm a racist :). My local school pulls this crap...
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- Jason Nunnelley
Though I consider the reaction these parents have to be bad. I respect a parent's right to opt out of a political stunt. Do I consider the firestorm the Republicans are fanning a political stunt? Of course. But, I don't automatically assume the parents are insincere, or racists. My kids are enjoying logical discussions on why some of the president's desires are noble and some are less so.
- Jason Nunnelley
@Jason: I wasn't calling you a bigot, far from it. But I can see and hear from my relatives there is a deep seeded mistrust. And it is doubly so, because Obama is black and because he is a "socialist", two things that are not very popular amongst the mostly Republican voter base. I do want him to go a progressive course, but to call Obama's political course socialist is laughable at best.
- Rene Wirtz
Rene Wirtz, I knew you weren't calling me a bigot. It's the southern comment I'm chastising. Since we're both in the south, I think we should be careful not to further feed this idea that southern people are bigots. It's just not true, at least no more so that Californians or New Yorkers. If J.C. Watts had run and won the presidency, these same relatives would love him. It's not a fear...
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- Jason Nunnelley
I think we need a "back to school" czar.
- Spencer
I straight up asked my daughter what she wanted to do and her response was "I'd rather do something else". But how about this - I respect the president's right as president to address children in the public school system, why can't MY right to not have my 7 year old daughter listen to it regardless of message be respected?
- Michael Koby
@Scott - You think they're nutty, they think you're nutty. Ain't America grand? :-)
- Kurt Starnes
a lot of political agenda is spun in schools. I can understand being wary. What your child does is well... up to you. I wouldn't be cool with my kid arguing porn at 14 years old with the FCC commissioner, but I am totally okay with you letting your kid do so. It is your choice.
- Holden Page
on a sidenote, I would let my kid go (of course, it is the president!) and I would make sure when he/she (whatever my future has in store) get home we would sit down and discuss what was said in detail.
- Holden Page
Isn't it interesting how the "left-leaning" commenters cometely ignore the fact that it's the Dept. of Education lesson plan that people were upset about.
- Robert Hafer
from iPhone
Robert: I didn't ignore that and I'm left-leaning.
- Robert Scoble
Scott, in fairness I think you know they changed it due to public feedback.
- Jason Nunnelley
It might be more worthwhile to have Al Franken teach them how to draw a map of the United States.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
Oh man... Al Franken *dies a little inside*
- Holden Page
does anybody think that, independent of what obama is going to talk about, it's not the president's job to address the nation's kids and this is not appropriate for thim to do in a free country? http://masstrovato.tumblr.com/post...
- masstrovato
How do you get from people being upset with a lesson that insructs children to write an essay on how they can help spread the President's message to them being racist?
- Robert Hafer
from iPhone
Scott, (answering q1) Bill Ayers, though people may argue Obama didn't actually associate with him. Jeremiah Wright, though people will argue Obama attended church for twenty years and didn't fully understand the lessons Mr. Wright preached. Obama's nominee for Green Czar, Van Jones, though I realize people will claim that nominating someone to a cabinet position doesn't mean they agree politically.
- Jason Nunnelley
Scott, I sincerely appreciated Mr. Wright's willingness to be honest about his message. While Obama tried to pretend he didn't understand that message, or that the preacher didn't mean what he said, Mr. Wright had the courage to say that Obama had no choice but to disassociate himself from that message but that he stood by his statements. I don't like Mr. Wright's message, but respect that he has the guts to say it and stand by it.
- Jason Nunnelley
Scott (answering Q2) Originally, the president intended to ask students to participate in an exercise to describe how they would help the president. I view this as relatively innocent, but some do not. That has been changed in reaction to public response. Now, though I find it innocent, I don't like it. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...
- Jason Nunnelley
Scott, I don't have a problem with his present version. But, pretending people are reacting to the version out now and ignoring the history that brought this controversy to most people's attention ignores the true motivations. I'm just suggesting you should consider the reality that your link isn't the source of the controversy.
- Jason Nunnelley
I think kids in all 57 states should have the opportunity to hear him speak if their parents don't object.
- motownmutt
I had forgotten what Bush was doing that day. That is a great point. If I remember correctly, wasn't the book he was reading to the kids upside down? Or is that an urban myth?
- Mike Kirkeberg
Agreed. Robert. Kids today are more evironmentally concious, know whats right and wrong and better perspectives of life, bring on anypne who wants to talk to them, there is no guarantee that they will listen as they are independent :)
- Shashi Bellamkonda
The reaction to Obama's original plan is not in a vacuum. The movement to recruit children and young adults into new nationalist organizations concerns some people. It's not so much right-ring Republican types, but more the anti-government types. Pretending this is a flame alone in a desert isn't intellectually honest. http://www.youtube.com/watch...http://www.youtube.com/watch... << The rhetoric that spikes the concern.
- Jason Nunnelley
Your son sounds like a genius. You sound like a liberal elitist. Sometimes liberals are so annoying. Sigh.
- practicehacker
Thanks for the links, Jason. I knew some Norwegians who I believe served one year mandatory military service. I thought it served them well.
- motownmutt
This administration is serious about engaging young people in quasi-military service. Its cabinet members talked about it openly during the campaign. You can pretend that didn't have an emotional impact, but that's just hiding your eyes to reality. That rhetoric set the stage for the sensitivity you see today over something as innocent as the president encouraging students, even to...
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- Jason Nunnelley
the President is not just talking 2 kids, he wanna the kids to be tech wizards I hear? I wouldn't mind Prez chatting with kids but talk 2 what they wanna @ least
- polou/indigo_bow
polou/indigo_bow, you might want to actually read the speech before assuming anything.
- Jeff P. Henderson
We should print up threads like this and share them with our kids. Let em see how people with opinions and passions discuss stuff. Good practice for filtering out Presidents --- and teachers, and parents, and professors and cops and newscasters and Jon Stewart and Rush and the deli guy and ...
- Thom Kennon
Jason Nunnelley, Seems that just further backs up my argument that this is a politically motivated and cultivated hysteria. Doesn't surprise me that it's been tried before.
- Eoghann Irving
Eoghann Irving, I live in a bedroom community in rural Alabama. We're a 70% Republican community. I've not heard a single parent complain about the presentation - not one. The only thing I've heard is reports that the original message contained a curious question from the president to the students, and the president (being much better a man than his political activist supporters) removed it to avoid the conflict. There is no [widespread] fear about Obama's presentation to students.
- Jason Nunnelley
Eoghann Irving, this idea that there's widespread panic over the president addressing students is akin to Sarah Palin claiming David Letterman joked about someone raping her daughter. It's a stunt. But, that's different from the hand full of people that have legitimate concerns about this administration's "statist" tendencies. And, I continue to encourage people to avoid dismissing...
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- Jason Nunnelley
citing Bush talking to school kids on 9/11 is not the best evidence that it's a good idea. Sigh
- Michael Markman
Wow, @scobleizer fail on this one! http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion... Democrats wigged out so bad, they even had an investigation of Bush's speech to a single classroom! I still think you're right - it's idiotic to get all up in arms. But looks like (as usual) both sides are just as guilty.
- Douglas Karr
It's Pathetic* The Repubes + Brainwashed Flock have shown Time + Time again that it's Their Way or the Highway - they don't even want People to THINK!! Scary + Frightening Poop*
- Billy Warhol
My childrens' school didn't run the speech today. I am so embarrassed. I completely missed this one. Since I don't listen to hate radio or watch the news, I thought I was up to speed based on the more cerebral conversations on this topic. I thought the whole controversy was already squashed when the president dropped the assignment "what can you do to help me," which I thought was...
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- Jason Nunnelley
I'm back to my original reaction to the vitriol on both sides of this conversation. Politics is for suckers.
- Jason Nunnelley
When I first heard that people were up in arms about the President speaking to school children... I thought maybe I had fallen into prolonged sleep and was not aware that Hitler was at the head of state again. Plz people. Can we get to what the REAL issue is at hand... and I don't like to play that card ... but sometime it's just too obvious when THE CARD is being played from the other side.
- Jim Turner
What is at stake here is not the fact that the President wanted to speak to the kids--that is good. The issue was that it was framed as how we can help the President (hint, hint--his agenda)--and that my liberal friends is what the commotion is about. Obama is about the most disingenuous President I have seen in all my years of closely watching politics. He had the audacity to say that...
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- Sean O'Reilly
Watching "Clash of the Gods: Medusa" with the kids http://www.youtube.com/watch... It's sad that Medusa was a rape victim, and Athena punishes her, and not the man. =( I never thought about that when I read this story as a child.
@Ivan Just read it. Very interesting. In the documentary, they said that it was also a way of Greek men to punish a strong woman because they feared them.
- Shevonne
Oh my gosh! Are you serious!? "..to punish strong women"....Why are Men frighten of strength in creatures other than themselves?!
- Terence
@Terence This History Channel series is amazing, and it really describes the reality within the mythology that many of us know and love
- Shevonne
Why is it that 25+ years after the initial outbreak of HIV and AIDS, gay men, or "men who have sex with men" still can't donate blood. Can't they screen that ish? <irritated and oppressed>
There's also a rule (at least at the local bank here) that *women* who have had sex with a man who has had sex with a man cannot donate. So, in other words, a woman who has had sex with a guy who has had gay sex in the past.
- Rochelle
I just gave blood a few weeks agon, Rah. The Central Texas Blood Center screening form now has over 30 questions on it. So yeah, the screen for that. And a million other things.
- Phil G
Damn, no wonder they can't get enough blood. Who wants to go through all that? Aren't they going to go behind you and test the blood anyway? Isn't this all a huge waste of time?
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
It's called systemic prejudice. Built into the system and seen as inherently justified without being questioned.
- Neal Jansons
from twhirl
Yeah, they don't let us. And I'm O+ and would love to be able to help those who need it.
- Derrick
I could see the law being useful when it was proven that gay men were more likely to have AIDS like it was in the 80s... but now if they want to be statistical they would have to reject all Africans... http://aidsbuddy.com/wp-cont... which brings in an interesting question. I don't have an opinion. btw... I don't know the answer to this... but...
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- Noah David Simon
@Derrick: I'm O+, too. I'll have to donate more, since you can't. Except I'm on hiatus until April because of my Costa Rica vacation.
- Erica Mauter
@Noah: I don't think it could be proven that an ethnic group is diseased. There is proof of genetic susceptibility (like the link between sickle cell anemia and malaria resistance), and there's history of ethnic groups populating certain geographic areas. But I don't think it's sound to categorically exclude a group like that. There are so many other factors.
- Erica Mauter
@Erica: When you do, I'll be right on hand with the cookies and orange juice, my friend.
- Derrick
Well, there's always the ethical debate you can have with yourself. Do you go in and lie and donate blood anyway, knowing that you've been tested and are negative?
- Rochelle
@Rochelle, I've thought of that, knowing that the blood is tested anyway, but I haven't quite been so brazen.
- Derrick
Yeah its totally crap rule. They typically test the blood for any infections or diseases.
- CW™
It's a stupid rule. Point blank. The blood will be tested anyway. Who cares if you're a dude having sex with dudes. If you know yourself not to be infected, you should be able to donate just like anyone else. I think Noah does have a point about stopping all black people from donating, though. I believe the statistics are not in our favor, but how stupid would THAT be?
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
Bumping this again. I emailed the Puget Sound Blood Center (the major Seattle blood bank) a few days ago to clarify the rules regarding gays donating (and those who have a history of homosexual contact, etc.). The donor coordinator said that FDA rules say that if a man has had homosexual contact since 1977, regardless of the frequency, he is permanently denied. If a female has sexual...
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- Rochelle
Yep, it boggles my mind that this happens in the first place.
- Rodfather
Why change anything if there is no proof that 1. Causes harm to the persons who is being denied to do something. 2. That this is not preventing the issue that the rule was created for. (Sucks I know, but once a rule is in place you have to go to double the trouble to get it rewritten or done away with.)
- CW™
They won't let me donate because I lived in the United Kingdom from 1996-2000 (during the outbreak of bovine spongiform encephalitis, which they can't test for, and which potentially has a 30+ year incubation period).
- Glen Campbell
I had a false positive ONE TIME after donating blood 15 years ago. Since that time, it's been negative and even noted in their system but I still cannot donate blood.
- Trish R
Like Derrick could pass for straight. COME ON
- Dragon Goldmaple
Damn all these loops for donating blood. Seems like we need a scientific (synthetic) solution if everyone's jumping through hoops and walking on eggshells just to qualify to donate blood!
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
I refuse to donate blood because it's a pyramid scheme run by Dracula and his night slaves.
- Dragon Goldmaple
Lindsey, they rely on people being honest. A guy who has gay sex with dozens of guys a year could go in there, swear he's never had gay sex, and donate if he qualifies based on all the other criteria.
- Rochelle
Don't ask me. I didn't make up the FDA rules!
- Rochelle
i guess they make it difficult for the good blood to get through the system, because the end game is so big and could potentially save or (if gone wrong) kill someone non?
- Simply Teeeya
It is exactly the same in Canada. I think it's because they're afraid of getting sued again after they infected a bunch of people with Hepatitis. I think the number of people eligible to donate is rapidly decreasing to the point where more people will be denied than allowed. They just stopped asking questions about SARS last year.
- Kenton
The father of an ex-girlfriend of mine died from a hep infected transfusion while in the military. They are scared as hell all the time now. We do need synthetic blood; whoever invents that will be hailed for centuries (if humans live that long).
- Neal Jansons
from IM
He just died a few years ago, but the transfusion was in the early 80s. Her family went broke, even with CHAMPUS and TREA, keeping him alive.
- Neal Jansons
+1 for synthetic blood; if there is a chance their tests might miss AIDS I would understand the cautionary approach. I got bitten by a dog recently so I can't give blood for a whole year even though I have no symptoms whatsoever.
- Franz Sittampalam
If you are asking from concern: it was long ago and military policy on transfusions has advanced, partially because of issues like that.
- Neal Jansons
Yeah, I can't give blood because of my -ahem- adventurous and curious late teens and early 20s. It's an interesting secondary consequence no one mentions or realizes at the time.
- Neal Jansons
Neal, yeah. I was trying to figure out when the US/FDA started mandating hepatitis screenings in blood donation but can't find the year.
- Rochelle
I don't know the details, I can ask her next time I talk to her...she is kinda avoiding me at the moment because her husband and her owe my wife and I money. Ahh, the downsides of maintaining life-long connections :p
- Neal Jansons
Heh, don't stress over it. I was just curious. Google isn't giving me the answer I'm looking for.
- Rochelle
when a relationship is made up of 2 men and no women, there is very little chance of 'blood sucking' taking place. That kind of thing usually takes place in relationships containing 1 man and 1 woman. The 'blood sucking' is usually done by the woman, almost always following a breakup between the 2 people. The 'blood sucker' takes and takes and takes from the 'blood suckee', until there is almost nothing left to take. The 'suckee' often appears disheveled, pale and out of sorts immediately following an event
- Morgan Haley
WTF, Morgan? /me is confused by vaguely misogynistic weirdness.
- Neal Jansons
Synthetic blood substitutes are pretty common now, actually. A careful surgeon doesn't need to use transfusions, even in some of the most invasive procedures. Accidents are another matter, I suppose. Although it's possible to use substitutes in those cases as well.
- Jason Huebel
(WTH is Morgan talking about? I miss something?)
- Jason Huebel
I have no clue. Apparently hard drugs aren't just for weekends anymore.
- Neal Jansons
Neal and Jason, I have no idea. He confused me, too.
- Rochelle
Neal: What? No hard drugs on weekdays? Aw man! You never let me have any fun!
- Morgan Haley
the evil NHS in the UK does not charge for this as far as I know
- Franz Sittampalam
from IM
Sorry about the tangent post folks. I guess I mis-read the header and the comments, and perhaps jumped in head first without checking how deep the water was. So to quote the Love Master, Mr. Craig Shoemaker, 'Erase, erase!'
- Morgan Haley
Morgan - Everyone's drug life is their own business, but the coherency level here usually only approaches the Dada-istic on weekends :p
- Neal Jansons
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- Shevonne
from Bookmarklet
With all the movies based on comics, this seems like a good move
- Shevonne
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- edythe
from Bookmarklet
The Japanese take male self pleasure pretty seriously. You don't get to be the masturbation champion 2 years in a row by being flippant about it. ;-p I guess it also helps that he's an employee of this company. =) http://is.gd/2F0N7
- ronin
I am speechless: I am without speech...
- Alejandro
HAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!! that is a killer interview ronin :D
- vijay
nine hours and thirty-eight minutes... oh, my.
- edythe
hehe - that's exactly what I was trying not to say (because I'm s delicate!) :D
- WorldofHiglet
HEY GUYS, THE END ORB IS AWAITING! BOSS LEVEL!! *Googles for cheat code*
- Joe Silence is not dead
I don't know why i find your comment so funny, Dead S., but I just do! hee!
- edythe
That was so odd. Very clinical and matter-of-fact. I'm stunned.
- Got Love For DB™?
Hey, have any of you read Robots of Dawn by Isaac Asimov? The humaniform robots in the novel were servants and companions to humans. Something like this is probably a precursor to what would have to be an essential component of a humaniform robot. Welcome to the future, ladies and gents.
- Adrian