I just learned that the other day by reading "Brain Rules."
- Teresa Valdez Klein
It should be a series of videos by experts in the fields, lasting anywhere from 6-15 minutes (depending on the age of the kids). All of them should have laptops capable of viewing those videos...
- Fa La La La Lindsay
And it's 7 minutes for digital, from what I've read. So watching the same lecturer on TV or YouTube, you have even less attention to give.
- Andru Edwards
Mark Zuckerberg and I talked about FriendFeed today. He says he likes the search engine here. Explained that Facebook's scale is slowing them down. Says that 90 million users make things go slow.
Facebook is so slow compared to FriendFeed
- Hutch Carpenter
Yes, and Google's billions of users make Google search reaaaaallllllyyyy slow as well ;-)
- Duncan Riley
That's obvious and rather understandable. After all, we've seen how slowly the latest layout updates propagated to all the users.
- Svetlana Gladkova
from twhirl
He was talking about developing new features.
- Robert Scoble
Definitely new features are hard to build when they should be scalable for 90 million of users from the beginning
- Svetlana Gladkova
from twhirl
Sverlana: that is totally NOT true. If companies had to build services that way none would ever get built.
- Robert Scoble
that s precisely what i mentionned in a previous frienfeed post of your. FriendFeed will always be ahead of Facebook in terms of speed of execution
- Ouriel Ohayon
I think Friend Feed right now only seems to attract us geeks, but they will come.
- MedicalQuack
from twhirl
Dawn: I just found out today that someone I know who is 32 needs a bone marrow transplant or will die soon. I wish I could do more. Will try to help.
- Robert Scoble
@Dawn... Hahahaha (it is Spam right?) hahahahahah (god I hope so or Im a bastard) hahahahah....Idiot
- Roger Kondrat
Robert: When you say "90 million users make things go slow" are you referring to speed to implement new features (development) or speed to search for something or speed to display the basic UI, etc. You mentioned in response above "he was talking about developing new features." How does that relate to the search engine here? Also, coming from a relatively new developer, how does development change when you are developing for 100 users or 1 million users?
- Justin Korn
"Says that 90 million users make things go slow" Sure, if all were actual "users." I early on found FB too superficial & frivolous to be useful, and now the only reason I even know what's going on there is FF. Maybe it's Zuckerberg's college junior concept that's really slowing things up. As Duncan Riley observes, all those "users" hasn't slowed Google search too much, huh?
- Dean Barnett
Dawn is not a spammer, unfortunately, even though she did take this thread off topic.
- Robert Scoble
Thank you, Robert! I'll pray for your friend.
- Dawn
Dawn you should have started a new thread here.
- Robert Scoble
Duncan, that's a completely disingenuous example. Search is a static problem and has very little (if any) user context. Anything involving a social graph, especially one where the graph includes 90 million people, is MUCH MUCH harder. Search is essentially a constant time operation, whereas a social graph operation could be O(n^2), where n is 90 million.
- Jason Carreira
Robert, what Svetlana said is 100% true. If FB introduces services that don't scale and bring down the site, you and the rest of the bloggers will be all over them.
- Jason Carreira
Wow, this thread took a turn while I was typing...sorry to hear about your son. I would suggest posting a post asking if anyone knows anyone. Since Robert knows you, have him endorse it in a separate post.
- Justin Korn
Good luck Dawn! (Another argument for DM in FriendFeed). About the 90 million makes stuff slow - I like the Google comparison. How much computation does Facebook do compared to Google? Really? Sounds like poor knowledge of real-world scaling issues.
- Mitchell Tsai
Mitchell: I absolutely despise DM's. Please don't ask for such a thing. They are far, far worse than email.
- Robert Scoble
Sorry...I've only posted a few times on FF. I've never started a post.
- Dawn
Mitchell: people tell me Facebook does a lot compared to Google.
- Robert Scoble
Dawn: anytime you are going to switch topics to something not being discussed you should start a new thread. I still wish you would. I can't link people to your plea here.
- Robert Scoble
I apologize. Nevermind. I think I'll just going to fly down there and see what I can do myself. Thanks anyway.
- Dawn
If Zuck. enjoys FriendFeed so much, why doesn't he allow us to create a special tab for FF in the new Facebook-profiles? That would be such a perfect fit!
- Vincent van Wylick
Jason, we're too big is a rubbish excuse. It doesn't stop Google, and it's not as though FB is lacking in the funds to create something. How much money does a company need to create something? $488.2 million is how much FB has for the problem (ref: http://qbase.tradevibes.com/company...)
- Duncan Riley
Robert: I understand that DM is a mess & that you've got x,000 unreplied DMs. How would you suggest people contact you on FriendFeed rather than "hijacking" a thread? If I find someone on FF who doesn't have Twitter/Facebook/LinkedIn, I'm hard pressed to do anything other than hijack a thread if I want to leave a note.
- Mitchell Tsai
Mitchell: You could call him. His number's on his blog. Just a suggestion. :-) Or send him an email. Just sayin'.
- Lisa L. Seifert
Facebook is computing 90 million personal news feeds, which is quite a chore. I heard some stuff at the Data Mining conference at Stanford, but I'd love to hear really get-down-dirty numbers to see if Facebook is really tackling new scaling issues, of whether the Google team is just better at building server farms & handling distributed computation hw/sw issues than the Facebook team.
- Mitchell Tsai
90m users plus their privacy settings make things slow.
- David Vasileff
Duncan, I'm not saying they shouldn't be able to handle it, but don't compare apples and oranges. The problems Google search faces are very different, and have to do with the sheer number of hits, but each hit does a lot less computing to generate the result, because it can all be pre-computed. Also, don't overestimate the amount of money FB has... they just had to borrow a bunch to buy thousands of new servers.
- Jason Carreira
Overall, it's another example of the death of the relational database for large-scale apps. Google doesn't use a relational database for this very reason.
- Jason Carreira
The baby stuff you learn in school is different from real-world big systems with parallel, distributed, failure, etc... problems. I love hearing "oh. my system is scalable" from new tech teams at startups. What I'd like to hear is that X users producing Y load on Z servers will give A failure rate, consume B power, and have C down-time. We backup using strategy D. Our querying/prefetch/pre-computation method E & F will run into problems when G, H, or I happen. Our distribution method J has limitation K.
- Mitchell Tsai
Do you REALLY believe FB has 90 Million Real Live Single Profiled People as members?
- Scot Duke
@Scot, yes. Theres about 15m in the UK alone.
- Jamie
Zuckerberg and Bret Taylor may each evolve into the next Steve Jobs type CEO.Each is brilliant, and great with the consumer (e.g. UI, parallelling Apple's obsession with UI/design)
- Alex Hammer
Has FB performance been an issue for most users (excluding any third party apps)? Has the pace of introducing new features been a major problem for FB so far?
- Amir Gharaat
he's running for President of the United States of America not Prime Minister of Berlin .. we vote they don't so why is he holding a rally in Berlin????
- John Blanton
from twhirl
There are an awful lot of US citizens and military in Germany don't forget. And it's a bloody good poster. (edit - 270,000, the fourth largest ex-pat community to be precise and apparently, they traditionally lean Republican) - http://tinyurl.com/6dvqka
- mattpovey
I'm spending lots of time in Russia these days and more than one person has expressed the sentiment that the President of the United States has more influence in their life than the president of their own country. That makes the Presidential Election in the USA very important to people all over the world.
- scott willeke
very interesting comment scott, I think tht the president of the US is sort of a role as president of the world, everyone worldwide has an opinion of him and knows who he is and his decisions have an effect on everyone
- Andrew Fielding
from twhirl
If the world citizens had a chance to vote in the US elections, Obama would be the winner. And, Scott is right. The US President influences a lot more people than just the citizens of USA.
- Suhit Anantula
a cranky old man who's a night watchman at my company -- and I'm always working late it seems -- says obama will rise from obscurity and charm the entire world with nothing but his words and his charisma. check on the oratorical power. check on rising from obscurity. check on charming the world now. and then that cranky old man said, read the Book of Revelations to see what happens next... ummmm.....
- .LAG liked that
@Jody, actually Bush had more executive experience than Obama does. I believe the phrase fits.
- Ryan Petty
Not to mention Bush would probably repeat Kennedy's faux pax and declare himself a jelly-filled donut.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
@Benedict That's the problem with discussing an image. There may well be an English equivalent. @Ryan Petty LOL.
- mattpovey
@Mark "The citizens of Berlin do refer to themselves as Berliner; what they do not refer to as Berliner are jelly doughnuts. While these are known as "Berliner" in other areas of Germany, they are simply called Pfannkuchen (pancakes) in and around Berlin." (Wikipedia)
- linearthoughts
I've had Germans tell me otherwise. The use of the indefinite article "ein" was what made it wrong. The proper nomenclature is "Ich bin Berlinner."
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
"First everyone was going to leave Twitter for Jaiku. Then everyone was going to leave Twitter for Pownce. Then everyone was going to leave Twitter for Plurk. Then everyone was going to leave Twitter for FriendFeed. There's just one problem. Everyone is still on Twitter."
- tech.newsjunk.com
VentureBeat uses disqus for comments. I would like to have the comments from the VB article (I just posted one myself) readable here on FF and any comments posted here, be visible there. In other words, I would like Disqus and FF to federate. I wonder if Daniel and the FF guys have had any conversations about this? Federation is the word of the day, imho. And VentureBeat is great, but imho this piece is BS.
- Dave Winer
We would like that as well Dave. I'll respond to your comment shortly.
- MG Siegler
As we all predicted, the conversation will further fragment with every new service that exploits weaknesses of prevalent competitors. We'll just have to keep up with it all, until we no longer have to.
- Brian Solis
Twitter clones seem to be weekly fads for all of us twitter refugees, but the big T continues to be a fallback for everyone. Perhaps twitter will be magically fixed someday and everyone will be happy...
- Patrick
from twhirl
What's BS is (as I said in comments on VB) is that anyone knows the outcome of all this michegas. It's true there are more users on Twitter. But Twitter itself is so unpredictable and new things that shake up the configuration of reality seem to come EVERY DAY these days, the one certainty is total uncertainty. And that imho is a good thing. Like I said I'm impressed with VB, with a name like that it could be about deals and politics, but it's mostly very practical and interesting.
- Dave Winer
@dave and I responded in the comments over there. you and I see eye to eye on much of this more than you realize. i would direct you to more than just the piece that I did, but there are literally dozens. feel free to check my back posts :) ..... and yes, we realize the name issue, stay tuned.
- MG Siegler
Due to the girl's smaller size, under 2 KG, she'll be in the NICU, but the boy is already with mom, getting acquainted. Kristine is in recovery from the C-section, but I expect will do well. On with a new stage!
- Louis Gray
Yeaaaaahhhhhh!!!! Funny, Milan spent the first three days of his life in that same NICU. They are really great there, so your daughter is in good hands. Names?
- Robert Scoble
Lisa: you should open a day care for FriendFeed'ers. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
YAHOO! (the word not the company). Big congrats to Louis & wife. Now the fun REALLY begins. Thanks so much for sharing the experience on Friendfeed.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
That's awesome. Congrats to you and your wife!
- John McCrea
Congratulations! We look forward to chatting with them online as soon as you can prop them in front of the computer. ;-)
- Chris Baskind
Hmmm.... day care for friendfeeders = new biz model. I gotta got get some VC @now :)
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Congrats Louis! And hat's off to Kristine for the long labor followed by the c-section! Glad to hear things are good with the li'l ones. They'll be home before you know it. Fantastic!
- Hutch Carpenter
I promise photos soon. Names too. I'm tired and so is Kristine. Thanks for being part of a very real community here on FriendFeed and indulging me.
- Louis Gray
Lisa: our house is child proofed just for you. Or is it for the kids? I don't know, but either way, we're ready for the influx of FriendFeeding babies! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Louis: if you think you're tired now, just wait a couple of weeks!!! Enjoy your sleep when you can get it. We'll be here when the kids wake you up again. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
Congratulations Louis and family! All this twittering / FF'ing on the excitement of babies being born is reminding me of my own sons' births inspiring my proto-social-web baby pool project (admittedly it's Web 1.5 - not all shiny/ajaxy but hey, it debuted in 2004 which is like a lifetime ago in web-years). Anyway, thus ends my shameless plug: http://bebepool.com/
- Micah Wittman
Congrats, Louis. I was (and am) a twin, 2lbs, 6oz though. 4mos premature.
- Andrew Feinberg
Louis - you are one of the anchors here on Friendfeed! It's been an honor sharing this experience with you, and your family. Wishing you, Kristine, and the twins the sweetest of dreams. Sleep well. You deserve it!
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Wholehearted congrats. Our first was in the NICU after being born premature and those folks do wonders. Dylan is now a tall, healthy, 48-inch-tall five year old towering above the rest...
- Chris Reed
Luis fantastic duded. Congratulations to you and your wife!!
- Alexander van Elsas
Congratulations Louis & Kristine, & welcome to your son & daughter! You're tired now? Wait 19 years...I have twin daughters that age; I can barely type ;-) ! Twins are special, all enjoy your new life together.
- David Peacock
from twhirl
Congratulations to you and Kristine on your new arrivals, really proud for you both!
- Joe Dawson
Well done - the hard work starts now! Our youngest was in NICU for three weeks (he was 4 10 and had to be delivered seven weeks early as my wife had a life threatening condition), but the great thing about NICU baby's (well in the UK anyway) is that they get trained to sleep!!!
- Andy Davies
Mazal Tov to the new parents! Congrats!!!
- Mike Fruchter
Congrats Louis and glad to hear mother and twins are fine and enjoy your rest you'll need it! Only 12 weeks before our new one arrives and I'll be going through the same thing :)
- Russell G
Congratulations Louis. Brilliant news!
- Chris Nixon
Congrats! Hope everything goes really well!
- Matt Cutts
there are so many comments here i can't possibly read them all, but that's awesome louis, congrats to you and your wife. do the babies have names yet?
- MG Siegler
Congratulations! All our best wishes to mum, babies and your good self!
- John Samuelson
I think I teared up there a little bit. Congratulations Louis! I know how exhausted you guys are and hope you're getting some much deserved rest right now. You're all in my thoughts this weekend.
- Carla Thompson
~~~B~A~B~I~E~S~~~A~R~E~~H~E~R~E~~!!~~Y~E~A~H!!!!! Congratulations Louis & Kristine!!! So happy for you guys and your family!! (Sorry I feel asleep after 1AM EST... long week)
- Susan Beebe
Congratulations Grey family. "Hello, babies. Welcome to Earth. It's hot in the summer and cold in the winter. It's round and wet and crowded. At the outside, babies, you've got about a hundred years here. There's only one rule that I know of, babies—God damn it, you've got to be kind."
- Clare Dibble
Awesome Vonnegut quote, Clare! Very fitting.
- April Buchheit
Congratulations! you didn't name them Luke and Leia, did you?
- Tudor Bosman
agreed. But without the ability to search it becomes hard to find friends without an invite, no?
- Jacob Nahin
Simon, have you tried the general search, I no it is not in the rooms tab, but maybe it works anyway???
- John Cass
I agree, but think it notable that your observation comes in the form of a Tweet. :)
- Teresa Valdez Klein
Comes in as a tweet, but I missed it there, caught it and commented here.
- Tris Hussey
from twhirl
friendfeed certainly is useful for capturing everything, do you think this could beat disqus?
- John Cass
no it cant beat disqus for what it does - I had forgotten to check in on the comment thread here, so just now saw this... was looking for it in twitter
- Chris Heuer
one problem with friendfeed is the notification system, the handy @reply twitter makes this work though.
- John Cass
everyone seems to want to replace FF for Twitter. I don't see a 1 to 1 trade off yet. am I missing something?
- Kevin Dugan
Kevin, I think it might have something to do with having everything in one place, and also being able to comment. ask around, it is a good question, why do people prefer ff, or not.
- John Cass
Just today in my hostel in Japan, I returned home to see 3 women sitting at all 3 public internet terminals, and they were all using Facebook. 5 years ago, it would have been E-mail & IM. 20 years ago, hostels didn't have internet, and everyone was waiting to use to the payphones. Now some hostels have free Skype phones. Amazing!
- Mitchell Tsai
how freakin' stupid! Scoble - don't waste your time.... they obviously are in denial of the lawsuits; facts will come to light soon I am sure.
- Susan Beebe
I'm wondering if the customers they get because he is willing to share his SSN may trump his stolen identity issues. Maybe it's worth it.
- Phil Crissman
Well, his credit record was probably stored on an Oracle "Unbreakable Linux" server called titanic.experian.com... Robert, you should totally interview this guy, be all nice and Scobley for 20-30 minutes, then go Mike Wallace on his ass. lol
- Karim
Matt, I hope you enjoy the subtle case-study in effective brand management here: clearly overhead.it isn't doing such a hot job, and could use GS's Overheard product to manage it more effectively.
- Mark Trapp
Whose 3G? EV-DO? T-Mobile just launched 3G in NYC last month? AT&T is still soft launching HSUPA IIRC. If Pogue gushed over $600 device with EDGE, I don't think he's going to pan a much cheaper device on 3G, even if the coverage is spotty in June.
- Karim
AT&T's. I have several devices that use AT&T and the NYT didn't have 3G on any of them. Either did, by the way, Fast Company's offices at the World Trade Center.
- Robert Scoble