Terrific. Are we still maintaining that list of "outputs resulting from FriendFeed"?
- Neil Saunders
I was planning on doing a demo of annotation at PLoS before the end of the year - perhaps this article would be a good candidate. As always, anyone willing to join is welcome.
- Daniel Mietchen
i added a note once, but now it won't let me add any other notes :( I don't see a rule about one note per person. I should have held off for a good one.
- Christina Pikas
I also just noticed that my "annotation" - provided the link to StackOverflow - shows up in the general discussion, where the title "Link" certainly is not helpful, and there is no way I can edit it.
- Daniel Mietchen
maybe something is broken, my note appears in general comments but also in that portion of the text as a comment. maybe that's why I couldn't add other notes?
- Christina Pikas
Not sure why you can't add more notes. Certainly been able to in the past. I see both notes where they are supposed to be I think. But they will also appear in the general comments as well I think.
- Cameron Neylon
Great article! I really need to add some comments or notes, just to prove the authors' point :-)
- Björn Brembs
BTW, when does PLoS finally get karma? I've been asking for proper 'show off' userprofiles for like ever :-)
- Björn Brembs
Cameron, et al. - What's the most useful thing I could do to nurture and support this renewed interest in article level metrics? (not from a competing data product point of view, but a let's get some good technologies out there with good visibility)
- Mr. Gunn
@Cameron: Exactly! I even think having a profile where you can post a pic and see how many papers and comments were published, papers edited, etc.was the very first thing I asked for when I signed up :-)
- Björn Brembs
But it needs to be federated across publishers... :-)
- Cameron Neylon
if authors put in their 'customer' weight, this will go faster, so why not go syndicate :-)
- Claudia Koltzenburg
I think I'll use this paper in my spring thesis class -- this is the main one where I discuss publishing models -- and maybe I'll demo Diigo with this as a class project next to an article that discusses IF.
- Mickey Schafer
While we're on the subject of functionality wish lists, I would also like an embed functionality for PLoS papers. Collecting my publications together but don't want to duplicate copies and reduce googlejuice for the journal - at least not for the OA papers anyway...
- Cameron Neylon
BTW, why isn't there a way to register this thread with the article? Why are we posting here and not on the article? There's got to be a lesson to be learned from this :-)
- Björn Brembs
from iPhone
I've included a link to this thread in a blog post: Article-level metrics getting attention http://ff.im/bGuNY
- Jim Till
+1 Bjoern :-) another question along these lines would be: why does Cameron's intial FF message link to CiteULike and not to http://www.plosbiology.org/article..., or plainly doi:10.1371/journal.pbio.1000242 ?
- Claudia Koltzenburg
Because that was the way I brought the link in. I think that that pointer is appropriate. It is a pointer to the fact that I bookmarked it. Other people linked to the paper directly. Perhaps the issue is that we accidentally aggregated around the "wrong" item to talk about the paper. I'm not sure this is a problem as long as the referral works - its a UI irritation not a problem with...
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- Cameron Neylon
well, not directly, maybe in this ff-thread we're just providing some material for what you say in your paragraph "Technical Solutions to Social Problems", namely: "approaches that gather information from processes that are already part of the typical research workflow are also much more likely to succeed." - even though ff may not be part of 'the typical research workflow' (yet?) - and...
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- Claudia Koltzenburg
That's true, and certainly conversation sparked by the paper. But how to capture that in a way that is useful further down the line might be tough...
- Cameron Neylon
"Every weekday, thousands of researchers around the world access the Arabidopsis Information Resource (TAIR), which contains the most reliable and up-to-date genomic information available on the most widely used model organism in the plant kingdom. But now, to those users' horror, TAIR faces collapse: the US National Science Foundation (NSF) is phasing out funding after 10 years as the data resource's sole supporter (see page 258). TAIR's plight is emblematic of a broader crisis facing many of the world's biological databases and repositories. Research funding agencies recognize that such infrastructures are crucial to the ongoing conduct of science, yet few are willing to finance them indefinitely. Such agencies tend to support these resources during the development phase, but then expect them to find sustainable funding elsewhere."
- Michael Nielsen
Great tool. And it's constantly evolving with weekly updates.
- Todd Harris
Apparently some issues with linux version so I think I'll play with the free web version (irritating popup every five minutes) until I get my Mac back and make a decision about purchasing...
- Cameron Neylon
Some of you have asked how I made the transition from science to marketing--check out my post and feel free to comment/ask questions. It's also a shout out for open source and dedicated to Warren DeLano. Communicating Science, or How Did I Get Here from There? | Biotechnology and Life Science Marketing Consulting: Comprendia - http://comprendia.com/2009...
Cool post. I'm starting a new tag on delicious called "journeys" just for stories such as this. Students really like/need these stories.
- Mickey Schafer
Oh bother - talking to NAR about writing something on data licensing was on my list of things to do from last year. Guess I missed the boat again :-(
- Cameron Neylon
Cameron: don't worry, data licensing will not stop being in need of explanation any time soon ;D
- Mike Chelen
Why thankyou Mike, you really know how to brighten my day up...
- Cameron Neylon
"Any object in Amazon S3 that can be read anonymously can also be downloaded via BitTorrent. Simply add a "?torrent" query string parameter at the end of the REST GET request for the object."
- Mike Chelen
Is that a security risk or a feature? :)
- Owen Greaves
Since the files are already public, it should be expected that people would download them. S3 bandwidth isn't free, so letting others help with distribution seems in the interest of the content author :)
- Mike Chelen
with a little more info about how the .torrent information is generated, could make a fantastic basis for file distribution
- Mike Chelen
Nice post, also applies to wet science- must contact all those collaborators and tell them what happened to th samples they sent...
- Richard Badge
from Nambu
@Chris it's one of those meme-ish pics that are everywhere. Don't know the source.
- Iddo Friedberg
from Android
Hilarious - perfect for hitting the trenches on a Monday morning. I'm always trying to instill in wet lab scientists that bioinformatics approaches are experiments just like any other and should be documented as such. Actually, I think bioinformaticists are often just as cavalier rarely taking good notes of their workflow.
- Todd Harris
This one is lovely: "Their jobs sound very interesting because they can do whatever they want and they still get paid for it." ;-))
- Yaroslav Nikolaev
Searching Google Wave with "tag:the-life-scientists" will get you to "Research collaborations in Wave", a good starting point for life scientists.
- Martin Fenner
I don't get how you search in public waves. I've tried searching for tag:the-life-scientists and it gets no hits -- I think it's just searching my own waves
- Andrew Clegg
there was a thread by Kol about wave usernames couldn't find the link
- ffcode
Aha -- with:public . They really should include a button for that
- Andrew Clegg
An undergraduate student in our lab, Caleb, just got his wave invite. I told him to look at this thread for possible people to connect with.
- Steve Koch
Afternoon all. I've written my first robot, which hopefully will embed an interactive mass spectrum into a blip whenever a UniProt name is encountered in the text, and corresponding mass spec data is found for this protein. I say "hopefully", as I've not been able to test it for real, as, alas, I have no account. When are the next batches released? If it's not for ages, does anyone fancy testing it anyway?
- Neil Swainston
A google wave robot that takes lists of numbers and converts them to sparklines. Interesting because it does image insertion and other things but also because of the sparkline webservice it uses and the way it gets around appengine limitations
- Cameron Neylon
Good stuff. After looking at Cameron's ChemSpidey, Igor, and now this, I'm really getting excited about the potential for bots and in-line modification of the info-stream.
- Todd Harris
"Made using red velvet raspberry cake, french vanilla cream cheese frosting and a chocolate brain, baking extraordinaire Pamela created these awesome Brain Cupcakes, perfect for zombies who’ve gone vegetarian. The extra little splatter gives it that “just scooped out of the skull” look."
- April Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
"Just over twelve months ago, PLoS Genetics published a paper [1] demonstrating that, given genome-wide genotype data from an individual, it is, in principle, possible to ascertain whether that individual is a member of a larger group defined solely by aggregate genotype frequencies, such as a forensic sample or a cohort of participants in a genome-wide association study (GWAS). As a consequence, the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and Wellcome Trust agreed to shut down public access not just to individual genotype data but even to aggregate genotype frequency data from each study published using their funding. Reactions to this decision span the full breadth of opinion, from “too little, too late—the public trust has been breached” to “a heavy-handed bureaucratic response to a practically minimal risk that will unnecessarily inhibit scientific research.” Scientific concerns have also been raised over the conditions under which individual identity can truly be accurately...
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- 'Mummi' Thorisson
Illumina has been around for a while and acquired Solexa, which was a next gen startup. 454 also been around a while and now part of Roche Applied Science. Pac Bio, Complete, there's one with nano in the name that I can't remember. Does Helicos still qualify as a startup (they are a public company)
- Deepak Singh
First publication based on a collaborative effort using FriendFeed/TLS: The Gene Wiki: community intelligence applied to human gene annotation -- Huss et al., Nucleic Acids Research - http://nar.oxfordjournals.org/cgi... (via http://friendfeed.com/yokofak...) - Congrats to all authors
Added: <li>Integration with mind maps (which structure knowledge) and databases (which harbour bits of knowledge that do not make much sense without a broader context).<br /></li>
- Daniel Mietchen
That's what I'm missing: a good idea for an unconventional way to visualize a *omic thing :-)
- Pierre Lindenbaum
I think a few of us are thinking along these lines. Processing brings visualisation to people who would normally find it too complex, which is great (especially that Ruby API). But to be honest, I'm disappointed with the examples I've seen. They are either trivial demos, or else examples that look very flashy and impressive, but do not (for me) convey information effectively. Thinking about large biological datasets in the processing framework is quite a challenge and a mental shift.
- Neil Saunders
This comes back to the discussion long time ago if modern big data research needs graphical designers/artists to help visualize the stuff. We might have the data, but not the skill to visualize (other than in histograms/piecharts/DAGs).
- Jan Aerts
I prefer it if a complex dataset can be distilled down to a simple bar or scatter plot. I find that too much data can distract from the main point. I bought and read the Visualizing Data book but I wasn't moved to try and start creating things in processing.
- Michael Barton
Having said that though I find the R syntax very frustrating. I would love a combination of R functionality with Ruby readability and metaprogramming.
- Michael Barton
I like simplification through statistics too. The opposite approach, in a way, is the data integration approach - display everything to the user, somehow. I feel there must be a way to do that without overwhelming, most likely via web apps (javascript) but perhaps via something like processing.
- Neil Saunders
Although I also like simple statistics, I feel that showing everything to the user can be really useful because it can give a better "sense" for what's going on. But it's difficult: the data must be presented in such a way that trends present themselves, rather the researcher having to define the trends and then drawing them. The data must draw the patterns to the screen; not you. (If you know what I mean....)
- Jan Aerts